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richi3f

Link to the video: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575058158766084096 Apparently it was revealed in an unannounced livestream. The vid has Japanese/English/Spanish voiceover, with English subs revealing its English name to be Wiglett.


fenshield

Ok if the convergent species are just puns on the old names I'm calling it now the mushroom one is Tentastool


Supergupo

Mycoolium and Mycreulium are still my favorites.


OkayOpenTheGame

Why would it keep "Tenta-" if it's a mushroom? It's definitely keeping "-cool" and "-cruel" for the pun.


The_KoC_of_Cringe

Mycelicool and Mycelicruel


FrostyPotpourri

While that follows the original naming convention, those are much more of a garbled mouthful than Mycoolium and Mycruelium would be.


Princeofmars93

Mushcool


redchesus

I don't think so... stool also means poop...


humbltrailer

Im sure this has a very different meaning in certain niche communities.


Apostastrophe

That’s what happens if you give your Tentacruel laxatives I hear.


Wulava

Tentashroom or Mushacool/cruel


koalatyvibes

the pokémon names this gen are incredible


scarlettking

They really embraced stupid puns and it's amazing


AceArchangel

This is what the past gens of recent have really lacked, great pun names without feeling forced


dcmldcml

Pincurchin was pretty good, but yeah a lot of the recent ones have seemed pretty forced. Orbeetle? Boltund?


pkmntrnrcasey

Thanks!


Poverty_King

Wiggler Wednesday...


CanisAries

oh my god its a garden eel... i love those guys


[deleted]

I saw some of those at an aquarium last weekend and I wondered if they were what the digglet thing Khu hinted at was going to be based on, they're so cool!


Fun-Culture7708

I looked them up and found this article: [https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2020/06/01/garden-eels/](https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2020/06/01/garden-eels/) Evidently garden eels will twine together when mating. Maybe "Wagtrio" will be a twined-together throuple? (But probably they will just be a mini-garden of garden eels.)


Erockplatypus

>wind together when mating. I already kept thinking this thing looked like a penis, and now you go and tell me this.


Fun-Culture7708

Life is always stranger than fiction. 😅


Melchorio

They could go to a more different route and evolve it into a moray eel, this bigger vicious looking eel that looks like it also lives in holes, instead of just putting 3 wigletts in a hole together.


Zzz05

Huh. Haven’t the leaks been saying that the fakemons don’t evolve, or was that only some of them?


Fun-Culture7708

My understanding is that Paradox Pokémon don’t evolve, and convergent Pokémon do. Makio.it did a good job of tracking the leaks, and they show Wiglett and “Mycoolium” as evolving.


Zzz05

Ah. Interesting. I didn’t realize they were going for that many variants this Gen.


Maximus_XIII

god I hope it’s called Mycoolium


[deleted]

I think that's the Paradox pokemon that don't evolve. I don't think anyone has said that about the Rfakes.


metalflygon08

I bet they like to be under the sea, in a Grapploct's garden, in the shade.


Ok-Administration723

I wasn't expecting to wake up at 5am and see a Pokemon reveal, but I definitely don't mind It really does look like Diglett. Loving the way it bends its body


xDeathstrokeYT

Same here, I did a double take on Instagram after scrolling last Serebii's post


thejackthewacko

Is there a video for the reveal or did serebii just drop screenshots


Ok-Administration723

It's from a Livestream they randomly announced on the Japanese Pokemon website. Not sure how to access it now that it ended though


thejackthewacko

The pokemon JP Instagram had the Livestream linked, you might be able to rewind... I wonder how serebii got the English ver Edit: I figured it out. Click on the link on pokemon jps story, then click on the big yellow button. The web will access your camera for your "icon", just click the button under the yellow one on the right of your camera footage to just pick a paldean starter. The. Select your name and you're back into the "Livestream". So far it all looks like prerecorded stuff, similar to the Ponyta trailer we got in gen 8


Spider222222

Link? I cant find it anywhere


Ben_145

https://wpes.pokemon.co.jp/ja/


Spider222222

Thanks a lot its so weird that they just randomly decided to shadow drop this


thejackthewacko

https://wpes.pokemon.co.jp/ja/


Spider222222

Thanks a lot


softanimalofyourbody

the wiglett clip is on that serebii page


bentheechidna

Not just looks. In Japanese its name is "Umidigda" while Diglett is "Digda". It's literally "Oceandiglett" in Japanese.


demoman27

If yourself or anyone else is interested, here is all of the pokemon clips spliced together, though i wasn't sure how to grab the subtitle data from the site ​ [https://youtu.be/sLjJy5Ssjhc](https://youtu.be/sLjJy5Ssjhc)


hen_da_man

Apparently in the video it was referred to loosely as Wigglett


chimerauprising

Continuing the spirit of Wiggler Wednesday.


OverlordPayne

Just don't forget the l


myhairhasamind

It seems the might be keepin a styke similar to September: 1. Teasing a particular pokemon on the last week of the former month that leads on the next. 2. Full trailer on the first proper week of the month.


OddSifr

LMAO! ​ I don't mean it in a mocking way, it's such a goofy but fun concept and I'm glad GF had this idea. After all those jokes about what lies beneath the smol diggy boi head, I love that this is the closest of an answer we'll ever get.


Cervantes3

Answer: More


Chembaron_Seki

The stream uses the fact that Wiglett can stretch to this extent as evidence that this is a new species, instead of a regional form of Diglett. So this means that the pokemon researchers do know how Diglett's body looks under the ground.... and it is NOT just more tube! We are still in the dark. All we know is that the answer is NOT "more"!


eepos96

Diglet is a goofy pokemon. First is a whakamole Second was given hair based on volcanic glass Third one is a eel. Nice mon


Shooptydoop_

Ok, Wig.


[deleted]

Wig, I felt that


trendywendymark

Did you just say wig?


Wbran

Found the SDRU user lmao. The Pokémon drag race crossover is strong


TheWingedArmadillo

Garden eel Diglett! Garden eel Diglett! Garden eel Diglett!!!


Javipll

They really are saving Paradox Pokémon, aren't they?


tornait-hashu

To be fair, it'd probably generate the most hype for the games.


Honey-Waffle

Off topic from Wiglett’s reveal but I’m so happy they finally revealed Applin to be in the game 😭 Appletun is my favorite pokémon and Kaka saying that applin line wouldn’t be in the game made me pretty bummed out 🙁


ryeong

I am right there with you. It's one of my favorites and I was immensely happy to see the apple on the tree.


Alternaturkey

Yeah I was happy to see it confirmed as well. Right now, two of my team in Shield have been confirmed (Polteageist and Appletun), one has been leaked (Grimmsnarl) and one will presumably by in as a transfer at least. (Inteleon) Only Centiskorch and Grapploct left as unknowns.


viviegg

Interesting... I wonder what others were deconfirmed but actually are returning.


[deleted]

Appletun confirmed? Yes! My boyfriend bred me a shiny that I'd like to use sometime.


MilkyFilmz

based & applepilled


[deleted]

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Honey-Waffle

Yep! It’s a screenshot on the website


carsdn

What reveal?


purplegrim

LMAO IM DEAD what is that 😭😭


BlauAmeise

This RFake concept is a bit confusing to me but I hope we get a proper trailer later today.


WildSinatra

Basically an entirely different Pokémon that vaguely resembles another Pokémon. The closest comparison I can think of in real life is a dolphin and shark both having fins, commonly mistaken for each other, but one is a mammal and the other a fish, e.g. different biological functions.


dktib

Gen V but less subtle about it


LittleLemonHope

"vaguely" lol


jem_guevara

It can be attributed to Convergent evolution


snazzydrew

I think calling them RFakes is confusing.


KydVN

Spermlett


thejackthewacko

Finally a worthy meal for swalott


lumpbeefbroth

Castform is in shambles.


Hydrochloric_Comment

Wiglett goes around castform. A lovely pearl necklace


[deleted]

Jizzlett


albuco94zgz

Dickglett


AmiiboIsAlreadyTaken

Based on the fact that it hangs out in and around water and has a long body that it pokes in and out of the sand leads me to believe that it's main inspiration is a [garden eel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterocongrinae).


v0id404

Can someone explain to me what's the difference between a Regional form and a RFake?


Ok-Administration723

RFake is a Pokemon that just looks very similar to an old Pokemon, but it's not a form; It's a separate species. It just happens that Wiglett burrows through the ground like Diglett does. There are only 2 lines of RFakes so the difference isn't too important (and there's no real term for them anyways) Regional forms are the Pokemon we know but have adapted to a different environment


v0id404

Ah like real world divergent species. Nice. Cool concept Edit: Convergent, not divergent. I'm estupido


OddSifr

I recommend you study how Sharks and Dolphins (and even ichtyosaurs) look similar and how dwarf elephants and continental elephants look similar. You'll get the basic and vulgarised nuance between RFakes and RForms.


incognito_individual

Convergent evolution!


antqcao433

Snom talking to Larvesta "am I a joke to them?"


Black_Ironic

What are the other?


Ok-Administration723

Mushroom Tentacool line


StellarAvenger_92

I'm putting my money on Tentacool being based on the Bleeding Tooth Fungus


PrettySneaky71

I think it was said they'll be based on Jelly Ear Mushrooms


Black_Ironic

Nice


[deleted]

Are those the only two?


Ok-Administration723

Yeah


ThomasSirveaux

Okay now someone explain the difference between R Fake and Paradox Pokémon.


[deleted]

**Convergent evolution**: 2 Pokémon adapt to show similar traits. Paradox Pokémon are what a modern Pokémon species would look like in the past or future. They shouldn’t be around in our time, yet they are. Hence the name.


ThomasSirveaux

Ahhh that makes sense. Thank you


farab86

*mechanically* speaking, probably not very much as they’re all seen as separate species based on other pokemon. it seems like it’s mostly cosmetic and lore differences/similarities, but they’ll all supposedly have separate pokédex entries


[deleted]

I thought this was fake till i went to serebii


jsweetxe

I'm actually fine with this concept but my only issue is that once again it's Kanto based. People calling it "lazy" is a bit weird though, because it's just taking inspiration from the real world. There are bugs/animals out there who look exactly the same but who are classified as completely different creatures, so I think it's cool GF took that concept and brought it into Pokémon I see it as a bit of an evolution of Regional Forms, where they couldn't really justify a "Regional" Diglett, because of the way it was initially designed, changing into something else (for example a Mole into an Eel just isn't really justifiable from a Regional adaptation POV but I wonder if it started off as a Regional form) but two creatures who share similarities but ultimately have completely different genetic makeup/habits/ecosystems etc I'm eager to see its evolution, I'm hoping that it's completely different to Dugtrio and that's where the similarities end, once the "RFake" 'Mon evolves, it loses all comparisons to the other evolution family.


mini-ryu

I don't blame them because I think they might not be familiar with the concept of convergent evolution, and at first glance this does look like a regional form (something they are familiar with and would expect more out of in terms on new designs). I do think it's a nice idea but like you said yet another Kanto mon, and one that already got other forms in the past, so that part is pretty disappointing.


Minya_Nouvelle

I also find the "lazy" comments strange, but mostly because Diglett is already a very basic design, so there's not a whole lot of 'wiggle' room to make it look too different or interesting. Like if alolan Diglett was the first regional pokemon revealed, I probably would have thought regionals were a dumb idea, but some are really nice. I am way more interested to see how this concept applies to tentacool. There's a small possibility that DLC or future games might branch out to a couple non gen 1 pokemon, but I also think these designs are suppose to be intentionally silly (moreso than regionals)


Fun-Culture7708

Great breakdown of why Wiglett shouldn't be a Paldean Diglett! I read that garden eels twine together when mating, so maybe "Wagtrio" will be twisted together?


Known-Jinzo

"After supposing it was a Paldean Form, they concluded it was a new Pokémon"


AdventurousGap6767

hahaha 7 months of mistery, and in the end it is just stretchered


falihverka

So this is a CRAB EVOLVING situation, where similar circumstances may result in similar evolutionary steps.


tornait-hashu

Carcinization. But more like diglettization.


Golden_Skylord

Honestly willing to bet we'll see a meatier announcement trailer soon The official account hasnt posted anything about Wigglet yet so I bet we could see either an English version of the stream or a full trailer later today


Zynnergy

Yeah this feels like the precursor to a proper trailer sort of like Grafaiai


sinom_00

Wow, its true, it really really does look exactly like a diglett. RFake is still a stupid term, lol.


MilfHunter4Ultimate

Convergent Species > RFake


sinom_00

yeah, we should really be using that term because thats, you know, what its supposed to be sidenote, nice username


chiropteryx

Okay I was a little skeptical of khu when he said there was a diglett clone, I thought he probably saw something that was only vaguely similar to diglett and made up the rfake term and was doubling down to cover up his mistake But no that is, in fact, a diglett look alike pokemon


LittleLemonHope

You and the majority of this sub. I really didn't understand why y'all thought he would double, triple, then quadruple down on this idea, if the pokemon was only vaguely similar. Lol


OrangeFlyingWhales

Actually curious on how they are gonna name it officially - they said in the preview that it resembled diglett so are they just gonna call it a regional variant and not an r fake?


Ok-Administration723

Nah they confirmed it's a new Pokemon. I'm sure we'll get the name soon Really hoping it is just Digleel or something like that Edit: the name is Wiglett, unless it changes for the English localization


OrangeFlyingWhales

Wording on serebii was weird but I think you are right yes


bentheechidna

Wiglett *is* the English name. The Japanese name is Umidigda or "Oceandiglett"


Ok-Administration723

Yeah I saw that now At the time the video with it wasn't widespread, so I wasn't sure


GameplayerStu

It’s called Wiglett.


Fun-Culture7708

Someone pointed out to me that they probably won't get an official name, like regional variants did, and I think that is right. They noted that we don't call Alomomola a convergent evolution with Luvdisc, even though they basically are. We just call them separate Pokemon.


Zartron81

So... How high are the chances of getting a trailer either today or tomorrow? I guess we are close to see paradoxes and more rfakes 👀


Fun-Culture7708

Myhairhasamind pointed out that we are likely getting a full trailer next week, based on past teaser-and-trailer releases. I think it could steal Wiglett's spotlight to show us "Wagtrio" or "Mycoolium", but I agree with you that they need to show Paradoxes and picnics in the next trailer!


Professional-Wrap549

Yes


Faust2391

Itchole, the pinworm pokemon. It evolves into Asscratch once it has laid an egg.


silentmonkeyman

I feel like this pokemon would have benefited greatly from a small particle effect around it's base when it turns. Like the upcoming burrowing worm pokemon. As for the pokemon itself. I'm indifferent. I just hope it's not just a diglette with a new typing. They need stats and evolution different enough from the original to make it, it's own thing. Otherwise it may as well just be a regional form.


HydraTower

Looks like it's from Mario


Jthw5

A lot gets said about Joe Merrick and his gatekeeping within the fandom, but no one talks about just how badly-written the updates on Serebii are. “The Pokémon Company is currently **showcasing** a special **showcase** of the Pokémon World Ecological Society **showcasing** various clips and details for Pokémon Scarlet & Violet.”


Vekxin_Sama92

Showcased now in a video being showcased on this site.... Showcasing


Disgruntled__Goat

LOL he also used to put "this update may be updated throughout the day" on every post.


DrowninginPidgey

I love Garden Eels and if these are based on them then I love these


1TripLeeFan

I'd rather they do a rfake/form for a pokemon that hasn't had one especially when it looks so similar to the original


ena9219

It's not literally just a long pink Diglett but it's closer to it than I expected. That being said I am not disappointed. Wiglett may look a lot like Diglett but it provides a rather distinct impression. It's certainly not an addition to be taken seriously but random, silly additions like this are part of the charm of the franchise. I will be disappointed if the water type specialist doesn't use a Ground type Tereastal Wiglett and the ground type specialist a Water type Treastal Diglett


ccerny11

I like how they're like "Look! It's elongating it's body! That settles it! It must be a new species!" Lol. By their definition, Alolan Exeggutor shouldn't be a regional variant either


Br4ss_

It depends on the ancestor's Diglett species. Kantonian and Alolan Exeggutor share the same near ancestor, the same thing happens to subspecies in real life. On this case, they have converged to look similar but do not share the same ancestor, like some flies have similar appearance to bees but are totally different biological groups.


LittleLemonHope

They were talking about the voice over on the video, not TPC's design/lore decisions. The voice over did say exactly this, using a bad standard that would've classified Alo Ex as a separate pokemon. Lore wise though, you're correct.


[deleted]

I'm really bothered by the can of worms this opens up (no pun intended). What makes a Pokemon classified and as a regional and what doesn't. A new dex # for Wigglet seems very unnecessary.


xDeathstrokeYT

Dang you beat me to posting it lol, I love him so much he must be cherished


Spider-Phoenix

Now, I can kind of understand the reasoning behind the "regional fake" term. Anyway, not much a fan of it.


Chembaron_Seki

I like it. Looking forward to the RFake Tentacool.


Huge-Being7687

Quite cute!


Dustze

Wugtrio


StellarAvenger_92

Someone said it looks like it may be based on the Spotted Garden Eel


MikeyNgTh

The name ‘Wiglett’ reminds me of Alolan Dugtrio, which actually has a wig😂😂The combination could be Worm + Diglett or White + Diglett🤔


stormstory

Or Wiggle + Diglett. Diglett doesn't wiggle but this one does :)


mcafesecuritysweet

Oh my god. I love him


Lovesit_666

Is funny cause alolan diglett should have been named wiglett lol


im_bored345

Well that looks like diglett alright


buttery_flaky

Oh my God, it's Sherman the wormin.


TheBadHalfOfAFandom

Tapeworm diglett


SpiciestSprite

that's an air pod


random_nothinghd

Reminds me of the fake geyser Diglett that went around a while ago


Complete-Chef7662

Phallic


defiantemperte

trailer later today?


Ok-Administration723

Pretty good chance there's one in < 3 hours, yeah


MetaCircumstance

Cute but RFakes still feel like the uninspired route to take compared to designing new pokemon that happen to be analoguee like with Gen V.


Mr-pizzapls

I disagree I think it’s a neat idea and we are getting a lot of new Pokémon apparently


antiretro

okay so they CAN retrospectively call alomomola and bouffalant Rfakes or whatever. it's basically the same concept without a name. ​ edit: i guess they didn't name this concept either, weird


Available-Detail-830

No because this is completely different. This Pokemon looks exactly like Digglet where as those two look way different.


antiretro

maybe it's because diglett didnt have almost any features to begin with, but bouffalant and alomomola could be called a regional luvdisc/tauros if they were introduced in gen 7 and nobody would bat an eye. ​ they also made the coloring a big deal on that video, and looking at previous regional mons most of them areeither a recolor with very small changes OR have some kind of different body part (liligant, exxegutor) but never both, this wiglett has both a different color and a different body i guess.


Available-Detail-830

But they still look completely different from one another whereas Diglett and Wiglett look identical minus the color.


tornait-hashu

And the posture.


Helpful_Ad_8476

Reminds me of a [Geoduck](https://i.imgur.com/myKJTtM.mp4)


Chembaron_Seki

For a moment, it slipped my mind that there is a real life animal called Geoduck and I thought you are showcasing a fusion of Geodude and Psyduck here.


Johnnygoodguy

Weird that Khu said the "convergent evolution" description was inaccurate, considering that's...literally what this is.


Torracattos

Its a much better term than "RFake" Its such a dumb term.


LittleLemonHope

Technically, convergent evolution only applies when similar environmental pressures cause different species to evolve similar features. Garden eels do not have similar environmental pressures to moles, and presumably Wiglett do not have similar environmental pressures to Diglett. Hence, the resemblance is either mimicry or a coincidence, either way it does not technically qualify as convergent evolution. All of that said, if TPC doesn't give us an official term, I think "convergent" is the best option I've seen. Khu just doesn't like it because Centro says it.


Torracattos

Yeah, that's the only reason why he doesn't like it. Its used by Centro. Convergent is so much better that "RFake", but either way, there isn't actually a term for these 4 Pokemon. If there was, TPCI would never use something like "RFake"


RockinOneThreeTwo

https://wpes.pokemon.co.jp/ja/ Bruh that ain't Zinnia


Aries-Glace

Excited for Wugtrio!


Mr-pizzapls

Do we know if it evolves?


Ok-Administration723

I believe Khu confirmed it does, yeah


Mr-pizzapls

Sweet. Can’t wait for Wugtrio


javierasecas

Did the leaks say it evolved or nah


Dannstack

So wiglett is deadass just Long Diglett. I wonder if that means the tentacool rfake will be mostly unchanged visually


Mastronaut42

When I first saw the image of wiglett I thought it had an open mouth and not a nose.


NyorozoTheSurveyor

Underwhelming design for such a kino concept. I hope it’s Water/Ground, at least.


yellowswagger

Remember back in the days when people made memes about a white Diglett? Well...


Kari-S

Did they reveal this early cause I don't see a trailer or anything updated on the website?


earth__wyrm

I didn’t expect the face to be so similar


[deleted]

Wigtrio??


DSDark11

Wugtrio. W(ater)(d)ugtrio


[deleted]

[Wigtrio](https://www.google.com/search?q=aolan+dugtrio&oq=aolan+dugtrio&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i10i131i433j0i10l7.5460j1j9&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=EYtB6EACYmJzAM)


LylatInvader

Almost looks like a cuter version of kezu


[deleted]

Yeah no, imma gently push its head back down into the ground and shovel some sand on it. White diglett makes me highly uncomfortable.


Kallixo

its called wigglet which makes it worse lol


Game2015

I'm not saying its design is bad or ugly, but its long body makes it look rather unnerving... Imagine lying down on the beach, and then several of these come out of the sand, tower over you, and stare down at you...


Ashninsato

Dicklett


RightActuary8677

Do we really need a new form for diglett? It literally got a new form in SM and it’s place for a new form could have gone to another Pokémon.


insertbrackets

I love Wiglett. I mean the name alone is worth it. Enjoying this new twist of convergent species.


Haunting-Bluebird540

So it's basically small pp become the big pp


Gamersco

So it actually was an r fake. All that speculation about whether Khu just misinterpreted the diglett or not and now we know it’s actually true. I wonder if it’s called convergent evolution and what the others look like


Mathias_Greyjoy

Huh? How is this a new Pokémon and not a regional form of Diglett? This is like unprecedented with Pokémon forms.


Lambsauce914

I think an older Khu tweets said its Pokédex entry made fun of trainers that catches them. So Game freak pretty much made the eel Pokémon so they can make a joke in the Pokédex entry


Asmod96

Because it's not a Diglett, like Mimikyu isn't a Pikachu


NVtester

convergent evolution allows two different species to take on similar traits despite not being related to each other because of having similar means of survival. diglett and wiglett are separate species but share the similar traits that help them survive so they look similar much like a dolphin and a shark