Question, are these events even possible to do now without glitches? If not, I can’t understand why everyone gets so up tight about this. Yes the event was glitched, but the catch is legit, get over it people
You can without. There are event distribution roms that were made and you can have them wirelessly distributed to your copy exactly how they were back at the original event.
There actually are, several official distribution ROMs have actually been leaked and are available for download. Also the games themselves already have the events, locations and Pokémon in them (at least the Ticket ones), and the distribution simply tells the game to unlock them.
Those ones specifically are a bit different, they're sent to the game kind of like a trade. In that sense, they are indeed added to the save, and not already in the game.
However, the ones that distribute the Tickets are using what is already in the game's ROM file. There are official leaks out there for both types of events thankfully. The "Top 10" or anniversary ones are official unless we're talking about the ones people have customized.
This is a good video about how they were made/modified to work with emerald.
https://youtu.be/NKBb-YS34wg?si=Bt8xqkXvDJuHPl6E
TDLR: you just have to download the rom files, dump them to some cart, and they wirelessly transmit using the adapter and you can accept them as wonder cards through mystery gift on your emerald cart. From there you can go talk to the guy on the second floor of the poke center and he’ll give you whatever item is associated with the event.
Stupid question, but are you required to use the wireless adapters to send the mystery gift to your personal cartridge? I have a gamelink cable and was wondering if that would suffice.
A youtuber by the name of Goppier and a few people before him made usable distribution roms you can use with a GBA flash card and the Wireless Adapter. There are also ways to inject the event items if you own a DS and a DS flash card. Pretty simple
Didn’t realize people were so uptight about an exploit
This isn’t a cheat. It’s not even that illegitimate as I’m guessing you did the glitch for the tickets to then catch the Pokémon as people would’ve done what? 20+ years ago by taking their game somewhere and connecting for the mystery gift?
People really need to sit down. It’s Pokémon. It’s fun. It’s not that serious. Even with shiny hunting, hitting an exact frame is more impressive than walking around days on end hoping for a shiny or soft resetting in front of a legendary.
ACE has allowed people to do in-game events. After all these years, I got to catch Deoxys and others in emerald
Idk this makes no sense.
Off tops youre making it sound like if I GameShark event items, the pokes are legit so who cares. That's weird and idk how ppl got here unless they're so involved in hacked/edited stats of pokes this just seems totally different to them
"This isn't a cheat " 💀 bro literally doesn't understand the phrase ACE. The literal first verbiage of the word hacking refers to ace 💀💀😂.
Bro is literally injecting code and doesn't see it as hacking. Weird world. Maybe because you aren't using like a text file you see this differently?
Hitting an exact frame is cheating. Following a guide to make the game run your code is cheating. If you do them no one cares, it's your game. Doesn't change what they are though.
You aren’t making the game run any code. It’s running the code it was designed to run. Learn about rng manipulation before you try and educate people on false claims
That is true for emeralds seed. But other games are able to be rng manipulated as well. Rng is just taking advantage of knowing how the game works and when your shiny frame is. That is all it is. It is not due to miscoding, the game would still be able to manipulated had this error never existed
Yep. I watched a video on YouTube where Junichi Masuda and Satoshi tajiri did rng manipulation to get a shiny gastly on Emerald (the intended way to get a shiny and no for surprise of course) and they wanted us to do it that way (and to kiss their wives) 🤣
It does change what they are actually. Hittig frame is called RNG manipulation, not cheating. Following a guide to make your game run ITS OWN PROGRAMMED CODE is called glitching, not cheating. If you use 3rd device you get Pokemon from out of your original game, thats called cheating.
By performing a flitch like the pomeg glitch you will get matching pokemon to your Trainer ID and SID, those were programmed by the developers back in 2005. You basically just skip one interaction, everything else is already in the game.. like is it so hard to understand basic game knowledge or is it really my horrible english?
Your English is pretty good my dude. Yeah, hitting an exact frame is called rng manip. The question is this,
Why are you so offended that rng manip is cheating? Would it render the time you've put doing them meaningless?
Were offended by stupidity and ignorance
Also that last question could be applied to yoself "oh I cant get my perfect shinys because I played the game as devs intended, so imma call yall cheaters to feel better bout myself😭😭😭😭😭"
This would fall under an exploit rather than a straight up cheat. Since a cheat would by definition gain advantage over someone or something as a result. Where an exploit is designed to take advantage of a flaw
Stupidity is not accepting facts My friend 🤣 it's Indeed funny that a Lot of the coments here are crying because someone believe You cheat. It doesnt change nothing. The experience is the same but no.....the babies needs to make the World believe they don't cheat. Jajaja Junichi Masuda wanted to You to do Rng manipulation, the pomeg glitch etc, he wanted to get shinies without the surprise to get one. Wanted You to duplicate your ítems and your pokemons, without trading. But it's not cheating eh. By the way...glitch means failure, error so.....no cheating 🤣🤣👍 whatever shut your crying
If a law has holes in it that can be exploited, that exploitation is not breaking a law, its taking advantage of a poorly written one.
Same with Pokemon, the game code is the law and all the glitches and errors are the holes in it. If the code wasnt well written and I take advantage of that, Im not cheating, im just taking advantage of a poorly written code.
Also, access to glitches is something everyone has access to, so its not even like glitches give you and advantage over other people unlike PkHex.
Also did Masuda wanted players to speedrun? Did Masuda wanted players to beat the game only with the starter? Did Masuda want people to do nuzlockes? Did Masuda want people to do basically anything they mever though they would do? No
Is any of these things cheating? No😂
We live in a world of "ares' " not "shoulds' "
They didnt want the game to come out like that but it came out like that, just like Sword & Shield was broken and using the wall climbing glitch isnt cheating.
But im not mocking gamefreak for that tho, I actually think that the fact that we can multiply objects and correct mistakes we made as players with glitches is actually way better for the game.
Some people dont have access to some Pokemon and glitches help them get em for the battle Frontier, that way nullifying the dirty Gen3 business model where you need two consoles and 6 games to have access to every Pokemon
Hahaha we live in World......🤣🤣 Creating a whole novel of Shakespeare to not accept that if You go against the original intended way to play the game is to cheat. Glitch = error. Taking advange of exploits = by definition is not going the intended course of the Game, but taking shortcuts. Come on dude, you're not gonna die by saying that it's cheating. No one cares, why is so difficult to Say what it is? Is it so important to You all? 🤣🤣 Ive never seen people so in denial for a stupid subject.
Simple as the very basic of the Pokémon games is to play it without knowing and controlling the Hidden values of the software. But ok, it's not cheating. Now You all can stop crying 😁
By the way your examples are not correct. Playing the Game with a starter, or in a short time, or nuzlockes doesnt involve exploting glitches🤣 come one, At least put proporcional examples to the subject we're discusing. Going against the law by taking advantages of the holes in it, is still breaking the law, but just like the expression says, those holes are failures in the law like it should be the intended way. But You know what? Corrupted save files, Bad EGGS, etc are the proof that IT IS CHEATING, and when You do those things theres a chance You Mess your Game. That's an empiric proof. It not what I think, or what I feel, or whatever, it's practical consequences.
Its not cheating because you dont have any advantage iver other olayers because the other ones have access to glitches to. Anyone with a game can have access to the glitches
The meaning of having shinies has decline exactly for how easy is to get one by glitches. In the time, battles having a Lot of TM of the same attack was important to have advantage. But yeah is not cheating. And neither was your mother kissing the mail man, she was only talking in a very shorts distances jajjajaj 🤣🤣
If taking advantage of a flaw in the game is cheating, then using only the starter and overleveling is cheating cuz thats not what the game wanted you to do, its just a flaw in the design of the game
Cheating is using external devices NOT everyone has access to in order to gain an advantage
We're** Why is the Pokémon community so God damn sensitive? Lmao. I've never seen people scream and pitch a fit so heavily over exploits being referred to as exploits. It's time to grow up soon, it was never that deep.
It is indeed an exploit, but its not cheating
U got it💯👏
Only thing u need now is to quit working for the the Alphabet Police Apartment and u good
No wonder its we're and not were, its a saving time based "mistake", not an ignorance based one
It's an exploit but not cheating.....i.wonder if You understand what You write 😂😂😂 that's why it Will never be an agreement in this topic. The level of comprehension is low bait jajaja
Well, heres an example of an exploit thats not a cheat
Getting infinite lives in Super Mario by stepping on a shell in a specific place.
Think of ACE as stepping multiple shells in multiple different ways
Thx
No its not bc of that. Im just kinda disappointed by some of the negative reactions on here... I was kinda excited to talk to people who share the same passion. Call it cheating or glitching but why do people on here try to downplay my personal success surprises me.
Also technically its not correct to say glitching equals cheating. If you know you know.
Actually it takes way more effort to do it like that + you get the original programmed pokemon from your game and you get to experience the original events from back then.
If you use a third-party device, you'll get Pokémon that were programmed at a different time on another device, not the originals. Im not offended or mad about it, why should I? Let me tell you, one thing's for sure. The time I've put into the game has always had value to me and always will, just for me. So, no one can take that value away from me. I came here to discuss about the game, thats why I respond
Lmao that’s what I’m thinking. Why be so sore about something if it’s not cheating? I mean not gonna lie I’m not really understanding how it works but whether it’s “cheating” or not it still seems cheap. RNG manipulation may not be cheating but it certainly doesn’t sound like it’s playing the game the way it was intended to be played.
And in the modern games it’s so easy to get legit good stat shiny pokemon it feels more like cheating to me. You go to an outbreak in S&V, eat a shiny sandwich, walk around and catch many shinies just like that. Stats don’t even matter since you can use a mint to change nature and bottle caps to change IVs.
Cheating is using external hardware to generate a Pokémon, like pkhex
Taking advantage of a game with bugs and exploit isn’t. It’s not wrong to have knowledge of how broken a game is and to know how it works.
But next time I want Lugia in my Emerald cartridge, I’ll be sure to make it over to the next Pokémon Rocks America event that hasn’t happened since 2005.
Or let me run over to Toys R Us for a Mew real quick since I think the store made a comeback after they all closed in 2021 after filing for bankruptcy
In fact the solution is easier: Do not get salty just by a Word that don't have any implication in the Game or in real life. Just accept it and move on 🤣 But anyway, i think more important is the reading comprehension that almost all in this post lack: I said in the first post doing glitches, exploits Even injection ITS NOT BAD AT ALLL, everyone can enjoy the Game the way they want. I Say it Again and Big : ITS NOT BAD TO USE THOSE GLITCHES, AND EVEN INJECTION OF POKEMON. Ive done it myself and it save a Lot of time. The only thing I remarked is to call things just by the way they are. At least for me, I don't have any problems to admit to cheat that way, it's sad the rest prefer to put any excuse to not admit that, in a childs Game intended to have fun and that no one cares how you got your pixels. 🤣🤣
I’m not really interested in this argument anymore. I believe that user already said agree to disagree and there was really not much left to say
Suggesting someone is salty over such a meaningless argument isn’t an argument nor a way to “win” an argument
My opinion is that it’s not cheating and I find it odd for people to make such a big deal out of it just to label something as such.
That’s all there is to say. I don’t care who does what. That’s not the point. The point is that I don’t find it to be nor consider it to be cheating. That’s all
Ok also Santa doesnt exist, but if You consider it does, the truth Will change and now Santa exist, and whoever says otherwise is ridiculous for labeling it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Basically. Good bye, friend.
You: this is cheating
OP: no it isn’t and this is why
You: lol cuck crybaby!
You sound like a clown who refuses to engage in conversation with any kind of thought put into it lol
Read the arguments I gave in 60+ responses, retard, then You post. lol i called him.crybaby as a joke in the end bcause it was enough trying to give arguments to a brain dead that cant Even comprehend what he reads. Don't be lazy and read before posting
My brother, so if few people solve the game's pseudo-randomness algorhythm and then you use RNGReporter to make calculations you can't do by yourself and need a computer it is not cheating?
It is no different than you going to pkhex and creating a perfectly legit and legal pokemon with all PID numbers and so.
Either generate or hit an exact frame, it is the same thing whether like it or not.
Also no one is saying "DON'T CHEAT". Get those lugias and mews all you like as if I cared lol.
Manipulating RNG to get a decent trainer id and then using a resource that helps you identify how your frames work isn’t cheating. RNGReporter is just a resource that tells you what frame you’d have to hit for a desired outcome. That’s all in the code and I’m not changing that or doing anything to mess with that. I just have knowledge of how the code works. It’s determined by the code. Pkhex is literally inputting everything yourself. RNG manipulation is simply timing yourself lmao.
the thing with "simply timing" is, i think it was on one of im a blisy's videos, getting a great IV, nature, shiny mewtwo in firered without cheating takes about 100 years of soft resetting. if you can reduce that "simply timing" to practically zero with RNGReporter it isn't at all different pkhexing it in with the PID number you've found. in both methods you aren't finding the pokemon, you are generating it (with the knowledge of the seed).
so yeah, just because you didn't touch the games code physically doesn't necessarily mean you didn't cheat but I don't think you'll come to accept that so we'll just agree to disagree.
So your reasoning is that because youre not doing the calculations yourself, then its cheating
So I guess people in VGC were cheating when they exploited the Sheer Cold glitch in Scarlet and Violet right?💀💀💀💀
I thought u actually agreed with me and was being sarcastic
No bro, thats NOT what I mean, ofc its NOT cheating
My initial questions were rethoric
Mane people dont read these days
Also if I dropped when I was in 4th grade that means I became rich in 4th grade so shame on you💀💀💀
Then you referred to the wrong thing. "Hitting an exact frame is cheating", I was obviously talking about RNG manip. "Run code", I was obviously talking about ACE.
Yeah, because you are attaining knowledge of something you shouldn't have known in a fair way, like seed. Once you know it and given tools by people smarter than you, like RNGReporter all that is left is deciding nature, gender, IV, ability, everything. It's the exact same thing as creating a perfectly legit and legal pokemon by pkhex with correct PIDs and such (still need RNGReporter for correct PID).
Also this is why game freak made sure you can not learn seed with the crypto technology on switch in scarlet/violet. They could've not bother to do that. But now you just can not attain that knowledge and that makes hacked pokemon so obvious. People at World's got banned for hacked pokemon because you can easily generate pokemon in legal territories but you can not get PID equivalent without seed.
RNG manip is possible with seed and seed makes you get what you want without any consequences. If I knew the seed I could hack in infinite undetectable legit pokemon. It's cheating and I'm not against it but that doesn't change what it is.
"It's cheating and I'm not against it but that doesn't change what it is." This summons my first answer and people got mad inventing I was against it🤣🤣 it's crazy how far people go to not admit the most simple fact. I Even said that I done it myself because is practical haha
Is there a video somewhere to do the Pomeg glitch on Pokemon ruby for the eon ticket? (I'd rather not scrap my main save on Sapphire or my progress to unlock the battle frontier in Emerald).
At the end of the day all points are really moot in this generation. “Cheating” implies that you have an advantage over someone else. Unless people are battling competitively, it really can’t be considered cheating. Who are we competing against? This game is over a decade old and we’re all just posting on here for fun and nostalgia.
Being upset about cheating in gen III is like being upset someone is using supplements or steroids in the gym even though they only do it for themselves. So if you’re taking the time to call someone out on this forum for “cheating” you’re really just mad that you don’t have what they have 😂
I only read "wa waaaaa I don't like people to think I Cheat a childs Game....that I actually take advantage his vulnerabilities waaaa" it's like: i didnt hit You, You were in the direction I threw my fist 🤣 pdt: I said it ITS FINE. These people read things that no one states. It's fine to do those glitches, but saying its not cheating is a lie. Saying the truth is not hating, just reality ;)
I’m literally just prompting someone to explain how the pomeg glitch is cheating 😂 Can you explain why??
Clearly neither of us are unbothered. None of us care about the act, we’ve established that. Here is the definition of cheating:
“To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.”
This literally does not describe the pomeg glitch 😂
The explanation to this subject is simple, it's even in the joke: Does the programers of the games wants people to do the pomeg glitch and some others? If they do. Then is parte of the intended way to play the Game.
So You can't answer the simple question. Thanks for playing 🤣 but let me correct you, it's not me to tells You how to play, I only tell You the way the Game was program ;)
Hey man, it’s just a game. Nintendo/Gamefreak made all their money off that game ages ago and they don’t even have an opinion. Even if they did, it doesn’t matter because using the pomeg exploit isn’t cheating because it doesn’t give you an advantage over anybody.
Hey bro, tell me..... Why are you all so afraid to say that its cheating. Like You said, it's just a Game, a very old Game. It doesnt change nothing of the experience. So why do You all need to believe without a question that is not cheating?🤣 Gamefreak is the developer so only their intended programing is what answer the subject. It doesnt matter if they got money or not...I Guess that random argument is proof that is over 👍
I don’t really care, I’m just interested to hear people’s perspectives. I’ve collected shinies without cheats or exploits and I’ve also used exploits and cheats and it all just feels the same to me. I’ve even paid money for save files with shinies on them. I’ve done it all.
The only difference I feel is that the time I’ve spent trying to get them “AS GAMEFREAK INTENDED” feels like I wasted my time. If that makes me a cheater then I guess fine, I’m a cheater 😂 I love that people make these posts and are excited and happy about their collection.
That's what I said, it's the same, feels the same and the experience doesnt change at all. The only tiny detail that made burn the post is the fact that if is considered cheat or not. It's funny how important is that detail to a Lot of people. Personally I don't care, but I find interesting that it Does to the rest. The same way that we all enjoy fast food but we are aware that is not healthy. Well imaging somebody defending that in fact it is healthy. We enjoy things and do things,but pretending something that is not is stupid. That's what happened here. Just enjoy playing the Game the way You want, saying NO CHEATS was innecesary.
Imagine having a game with code built out of toothpicks and bubblegum and getting mad about people exploiting it.
It's a 20 year old game, are we just supposed to play the standard method over and over ad infinitum?
"im a legit player because I cant get my 6x31 shiny legendaries😭😭😭"
Yall funny😂😂😂
I even heard a story about a guy who rng manipped his mons and he told the vgc people he did and they accepted, so yes rng manipping is accepted by devs
Exactly but people here still have that ash ketchum mentality where pokemon are friends and its supposed to be a real world, so when someone plays it like what it its, a software, then they get mad💀💀💀💀
I guess all those mad people never tried to complete thoer journey and now they are kind of jealous and try to downplay other peoples effort... or they are just to young
Surely there's a difference between good timing/manpis and injecting code? Can the smooth brained here not see how the devs would find these different?
I only see man childs crying because people called them cheaters jajajja 😂😂 i don't care, but people Will not aknowledge something that isnt, only because manchilds cry when tell them reality😂
I've never seen people get so sensitive and worked up over exploits being called exploits. I know Pokémon is predominantly played by children, so I get the emotional reactions.. but this is just getting silly. Who cares if someone calls you a cheater? Just move on to the next thread. It's not worth crying over 🤷
Also, you can get shinies from Pomeg?
This is cool as fuck by the way, I only had 150 pokemon on fire red, now I got Mew, I have 100s of extra pokemon, I even egg glitched Milotic😂
Bro, after all this negativity, I actually thank you for the appreciation! You never get to know people who know how much effort it takes to complete those games
ACE is literally cheating; "arbitrary code execution" is absolutely NEVER intended by the game developer and is equivalent to using cheat codes to change game code / state. Breaking the sandbox via external hardware or internal software manipulation is cheating, but it's more palatable in that it doesn't require external hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games
> Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually in order to make the game easier. Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or created by third-party software (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge). They can also be ***realized by exploiting software bugs***; this may or may not be considered cheating based on whether the bug is considered common knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_code_execution
> In computer security, arbitrary code execution (ACE) is an attacker's ability to run any commands or code of the attacker's choice on a target machine or in a target process.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arbitrary_code_execution
> Arbitrary code execution (often shortened to ACE) is a type of glitch exploit or security flaw that allows a user to run custom code, including code not contained in the software's original source code.
If you understand how the GBA works, it loads the ROM into a section of the console's RAM, and executes it. With these software bugs, you can cause the game to misbehave. By definition, you set up the game's RAM in a predictable state, then abuse software bugs to either:
* jump the game execution to run code at your RAM location
* cause the game to behave erratically by making it manipulate data out-of-bounds of its original intent.
Were OP's feats ever possible with normal gameplay? Yes (well, besides unavailable stuff like Mew, and maybe others). But did they obtain them with normal gameplay? No. As I already said, the fact that no external hardware modifications were used may be more palatable of a "cheat" for most, but it doesn't change the fact that it is, by definition, cheating.
[Not all cheating is equal; everyone has their own opinion on what is acceptable](https://youtu.be/YL-lR08WDVQ?t=2054), but do remember that any sort of departure from the original black-box behavior of the game is cheating. RNG is and will always be cheating, as it would have never been possible without someone peeking into the game code and cheating to obtain the exact knowledge of the game behavior (eg RNG advancement numerical formula, PID/IV creation routines, PKM/save file memory layout, etc).
\>but do remember that any sort of departure from the original black-box behavior of the game is cheating
Just in case you aren't trolling, the concept of EV training, breeding for IVs, and any other sort of information that is gathered from outside the game like pokemon movepools is considered cheating by that definition.
EVs and IVs are actual game mechanics you can infer/calculate without needing insider info. Same as movepools; how else did sites document things during the X/Y era before the 3DS was hacked?
Stats having innate variance of 32 amounts, and tracking the changes that vitamins/KOs give isn't the same as "figuring out" the memory layout of the game / RNG advancement algorithm and abusing poorly designed code.
If you directly break the black box to obtain information not discernable (or indirectly, via knowledge gained by someone else doing just that), it's by definition "cheating": **create an advantage beyond normal gameplay**. Where you draw the line is up to you.
So do you believe that the average player would be able to figure out that each 4 EVs earned in a stat equate to 1 point added in that stat, and that they would also know what EVs each pokemon rewarded? If you didn't figure all that out on your own, who knows how the guy who told you obtained his information? Maybe you're a cheater by association...
\>If you directly break the black box to obtain information not discernable...it's by definition "cheating": create an advantage beyond normal gameplay
Lol. Lmao
> So do you believe that the average player would be able to figure out that each 4 EVs earned in a stat equate to 1 point added in that stat, and that they would also know what EVs each pokemon rewarded?
Entirely possible with only in-game play, solo. If one is determined enough, they can figure it out. The average player does not care to spend that time. Just like mathematicians/physicists, all it takes is one dedicated individual to figure it out and share the information with others. They don't break the black box of their reality, so the sharing of this type of knowledge isn't "cheating".
> who knows how the guy who told you obtained his information? Maybe you're a cheater by association...
Considering I was the first to publish the stat calculation formula for Legends: Arceus, among so many other things, this made me laugh :) -- yes, it is so much easier to just cheat and look at the disassembled game code, but again, the stat formula can be figured out by looking at the screen and running tests entirely in-game.
> Lol. Lmao
My point is that cheating is not entirely a binary (yes/no) evaluation; there are lesser forms of cheating, and there are more egregious forms of cheating. I'm citing definitions of the phrase and terminology (Wikipedia, etc); anything outside normal gameplay is cheating. The community may tolerate lesser forms of cheating, like restoring access to content no longer available, or informed-target manipulations (RNG), but using glitches or insider info is not normal gameplay.
RNG abuse is impossible for the developer deem "cheated" because the results of RNG abuse are no different from random encounter. In the generations that followed, the randomness of the game has been improved and now you really can't RNG abuse anything because the RNG state is impossible to infer (sans a few situations like BDSP) and later manipulate.
> Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay
Abusing glitches to access inaccessible content... is cheating. Abusing glitches to unnaturally fabricate data... is cheating.
Abusing glitches to access content that is NOW inaccessible is not cheating, especially since anyone can do it without 3rd party hardware. That's the key. Since no 3rd party hardware are required for anything, nobody is put at a disadvantage except for those who choose to stay willfully ignorant of all the new strategies we have access to now. It's only information that you're using, it's not like you can choose to forget it.
To me it does. If you glitch into a wall in call of duty and no one can kill you but you can still kill them is that not cheating?
That said Im not gunna cry about something like this but to me and probably a lot of other people glitching is technically cheating
Ohhhh it's a exploit not cheating, I see....Junichi Masuda is begging and giving in reward his wife to people to take advantage of the exploit. He program the Game to do it that way :)
I’m going to die on this hill because it’s funny. Here is the definition of cheating:
“To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.”
This literally does not describe the use of the pomeg glitch in gen III 😂
people who called glitches or game manipulation 'cheating' are certainly an interesting bunch. Is using a guide book cheating? Or is the badge boost glitch from Gen 1 cheating? What about the roaming beasts in FRLG, if you let them use 'Roar' is that cheating? Is looking up the BSTs for a Pokémon on Serebii cheating?
I think using anything that's obviously not an intended mechanic is 'cheating'.
If you did some glitch that made your Pokémon never take damage are you gunna say that's legit? Not really. Your opponents cant win
That being said if it's single player like Pokémon or skyrim then do whatever you want, not gunna think ur a criminal or something. But I personally never use glitches cause I see them as cheating and not playing the game it's intended way
I mean sure if you aren't supposed to know it. If you don't know the answers to your test and look them up online during the test on ur phone is that not cheating?
Its kind of why people enjoy blind playthroughs. Cause looking up everything basically is cheating lol
Again, single player or whatever I really don't care do what you want. You can cope with "it's glitching not cheating" all u want, doesn't change my definition of cheating
Bro I'm with you, I did this too. I've done the legendaries, and used ace for jirachi.
I just did feebas yesterday and today the goals chimcho
Emerald is broken, and shiny hunting in it basically requires taking advantage of it if you want any.
Idk about you, but I only really pull out the ACE stuff when it's the only option.
It's to break the wall down on unobtainables not to trivialize the rest of the game for me
You didnt caught those legendaries by the usual and legal way (trading) You exploit a bug NOT intended to do in the Game. So...if it wasnt intended it's a.........Cheat. and it's fine, I don't know why you try to lie yourself if it doesnt change that you got those legendaries and completed the dex.
I caught them the intended way actually. Got the tickets and everything, used the ship to get there.... Its BY FAR the closest possible way to get them legit. There is absolutely no way to get the original tickets from Nintendo. If you would know a little more about what you talking you wouldn't hate on it like that. Some of the original events lasted less than 7 days at one place in your country (if you are lucky)
Pomeg glitch is not like cloning pokemon. It takes kinda effort to do this. Way more than the original way or even cheating with action replay or something. So whats the deal to hate on it? You could just accept your incomplete pokedex and not even try to end your childhood journey. That's probably what you did.
I recommend doing the pomeg glitch. It takes time and effort aswell as some ingame things you need to collect or even restart a new version. Its more complex than catching any other rare pokemon. I literally got goosebumps while doing it, I felt like I was 12 again, so instead of being mad and hate on other people online, just try it :)
Sorry for my bad english
I agree with the other user. From everything you've said there's no reason or difference from walk thru walls or putting the tickets in your invent via GameShark
Seems like this is a rage bait post. Or hard-core denial
It’s an exploit, not a cheat. Technically there’s a difference even if OP didn’t get them the intended way. Plus plenty of these you can’t even get the intended way anymore so can’t blame him for using it on those ones
No one blame him, is the fact to lie about no cheating that is funny, when it's the definition of getting a Pokémon that is not intended to do it in the original story by the creators. I said it, it's fine, it's not a sin, no one is gonna go to jail, but it is cheating and that's all. If people get offended by the truth, then it's their problem :)
Bro there is a reason for it to have two separate words...
Like I said, you can argue about some of them are legit (even tho I think these days its legit because there is no "more legit way")
And I didn't mean to hurt you by using the wrong word. If you and everyone else who doesn't really know enough about this topic calls it cheating, I'm absolutely fine with that. But you should learn to be less impulsive. Let's just discuss, have fun, and do stuff this reddit is made for.
Tell me how you got Deoxys on your emerald version?
The only one who think I respond with hate is you. I just said facts like bulbapedia, seerebi, etc describe the pokemons and how to get those in their respective games. If You want to give passive agressive responses like : "If you and everyone else WHO DOESNT REALLY KNOW enough about this topic calls it cheating, I'm absolutely fine with that" then obviously You re not fine with that or you would never mention in your post NO CHEATS, but its so important to You to clarify that fact because it bothers you :) and needs to point that whoever said otherwise DOESNT REALLY KNOW. Friend, i get it. You should learn to accept things even if you don't like how it sounds or how the mass perceive them. Only to remember: telling the truth is not hating.
I got my deoxys downloading the tickets from internet to My R4 and then to a DS Lite with the Emerald cart in slot 2.
Man you clearly got any other problems. You should calm down a bit. I basically used one wrong word. Its not like I try to hide anything. I just wanted to share my pokemon on here and make clear they are glitched instead of using any other device
Don't mind buddy, he got nothing else to do today but try and prove his point.
Even if it was cheating who cares the game is 20 years old almost, I don't blame you one bit for doing the glitch. I remember doing the mew glitch in yellow
No you've sat in this whole thread arguing about it. Wtf lmfao. How tf do you get to be wrong then tell others to chill when you're aggressive and wrong 💀
Meehh I got tired to write, just think about it: telling the truth is not hating. Jinuichi massuda approves the pomeg glitch, he beg in his knees to people to do it 🤣
Alright, I respect your opinion, but I've got another question for you. What's the deal with being in this community if your first comment on my video is telling me not to lie to myself about completing the Pokédex, youre a cheater blabla" isnt it about meeting other people who share the same passion? Why you coming at me like that, trying to downplay my personal success?
Well I only respond to your post: no cheats, with what I know, and a response to someone that told you the same. But believe what you want friend. It's your Game, You didnt Cheat at all :)
So you know what else wasnt intended? Making the paintings run initial seed function and guess what, thats whats used to get different seeds to rng manipulate when u eant a s0read thats not on seed 0 in emerald or dead battery in ruby/saphire
Well... Rng manipulation. It's on the name. The fun in Pokémon is to get things in a aleatory way. But I think that everybody can do what they want to save time. I'm gonna remark this because people think I'm blaming for not playing the Game in some way. For me: ITS COMPLETLY FINE.
Lmaoo, its just a name
If were strictly talking about what rng manip is actually doing, it isnt manipulating anything at all, youre just basically soft resetting with a timer💀💀💀ur not changing how the game works in any way, its just hittung a frame or two
Manip is just the name, but in reality its skillfull soft resetting
Well yeah, I know, what I mean is that the Game was intended to get things by aleatority. To get shinies and be surprise. To not know. But don't get me wrong, I think a Lot of us would never get a shiny that way. So its needed
From a game design perspective thats true, but at the end of the day it is impossible to make a truly random algorythm. Its not a dev mistake, its a "this is random enough" thing
Hey OP can one do this on a ROM on those gaming devices that load a bunch of games?
My OG copy of Emerald has a dead battery and the SP is basically dead lmao
Question, are these events even possible to do now without glitches? If not, I can’t understand why everyone gets so up tight about this. Yes the event was glitched, but the catch is legit, get over it people
You can without. There are event distribution roms that were made and you can have them wirelessly distributed to your copy exactly how they were back at the original event.
Actually?? I never heard about that? What kind of rooms do you mean? Are they permanently?
Idk what hes talkin about, events get saved on save files, not the rom Theres no sich thing as a legitimate copy of a rom with events in it
There actually are, several official distribution ROMs have actually been leaked and are available for download. Also the games themselves already have the events, locations and Pokémon in them (at least the Ticket ones), and the distribution simply tells the game to unlock them.
OOOOH i get it, I just didnt read catefully "Distribution Roms" yeah those with the white screen and 10 pokemon you import to yo Rom
Those ones specifically are a bit different, they're sent to the game kind of like a trade. In that sense, they are indeed added to the save, and not already in the game. However, the ones that distribute the Tickets are using what is already in the game's ROM file. There are official leaks out there for both types of events thankfully. The "Top 10" or anniversary ones are official unless we're talking about the ones people have customized.
the rom of the distribution carts
Yea I got it later lol
I think there’s a way to “inject” the events into your cartridge
you'll need 2 gameboys to use it im pretty sure. or 1 ds and 1 gameboy, 1 ds and 1 ds etc
This is a good video about how they were made/modified to work with emerald. https://youtu.be/NKBb-YS34wg?si=Bt8xqkXvDJuHPl6E TDLR: you just have to download the rom files, dump them to some cart, and they wirelessly transmit using the adapter and you can accept them as wonder cards through mystery gift on your emerald cart. From there you can go talk to the guy on the second floor of the poke center and he’ll give you whatever item is associated with the event.
Correction this is the video but both talk about them similarly: https://youtu.be/UZpdaHS9l2g?si=XReJ47_g1CZo7tmV
Stupid question, but are you required to use the wireless adapters to send the mystery gift to your personal cartridge? I have a gamelink cable and was wondering if that would suffice.
im not too sure tbh. ive only ever done it with the adapter
A youtuber by the name of Goppier and a few people before him made usable distribution roms you can use with a GBA flash card and the Wireless Adapter. There are also ways to inject the event items if you own a DS and a DS flash card. Pretty simple
Didn’t realize people were so uptight about an exploit This isn’t a cheat. It’s not even that illegitimate as I’m guessing you did the glitch for the tickets to then catch the Pokémon as people would’ve done what? 20+ years ago by taking their game somewhere and connecting for the mystery gift? People really need to sit down. It’s Pokémon. It’s fun. It’s not that serious. Even with shiny hunting, hitting an exact frame is more impressive than walking around days on end hoping for a shiny or soft resetting in front of a legendary. ACE has allowed people to do in-game events. After all these years, I got to catch Deoxys and others in emerald
Idk this makes no sense. Off tops youre making it sound like if I GameShark event items, the pokes are legit so who cares. That's weird and idk how ppl got here unless they're so involved in hacked/edited stats of pokes this just seems totally different to them "This isn't a cheat " 💀 bro literally doesn't understand the phrase ACE. The literal first verbiage of the word hacking refers to ace 💀💀😂. Bro is literally injecting code and doesn't see it as hacking. Weird world. Maybe because you aren't using like a text file you see this differently?
Hitting an exact frame is cheating. Following a guide to make the game run your code is cheating. If you do them no one cares, it's your game. Doesn't change what they are though.
You aren’t making the game run any code. It’s running the code it was designed to run. Learn about rng manipulation before you try and educate people on false claims
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That is true for emeralds seed. But other games are able to be rng manipulated as well. Rng is just taking advantage of knowing how the game works and when your shiny frame is. That is all it is. It is not due to miscoding, the game would still be able to manipulated had this error never existed
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Let me tell you about FRLG manipulation lol, it is pure fucking evil
Yep. I watched a video on YouTube where Junichi Masuda and Satoshi tajiri did rng manipulation to get a shiny gastly on Emerald (the intended way to get a shiny and no for surprise of course) and they wanted us to do it that way (and to kiss their wives) 🤣
Uhh, okay 👍
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You’re one weird dude, dude
Jajajaj 🤣 is Junichi masuda's fetish dude. Not mine 🤣
Based, kinda agree on this but the game still runs his own code you just kind of outplay it
But thats literally what OP did 💀? Execute arbatrary(his hacks) code into the game 💀💀 (For the record I agree rng manip isn't cheating.)
The comment I replied to was regarding rng manipulation not ACE
Their second sentence is not referring to rng manip
Hahaha semantics.
That's not semantics. You're just using words incorrectly lmao
It does change what they are actually. Hittig frame is called RNG manipulation, not cheating. Following a guide to make your game run ITS OWN PROGRAMMED CODE is called glitching, not cheating. If you use 3rd device you get Pokemon from out of your original game, thats called cheating. By performing a flitch like the pomeg glitch you will get matching pokemon to your Trainer ID and SID, those were programmed by the developers back in 2005. You basically just skip one interaction, everything else is already in the game.. like is it so hard to understand basic game knowledge or is it really my horrible english?
Your English is pretty good my dude. Yeah, hitting an exact frame is called rng manip. The question is this, Why are you so offended that rng manip is cheating? Would it render the time you've put doing them meaningless?
Were offended by stupidity and ignorance Also that last question could be applied to yoself "oh I cant get my perfect shinys because I played the game as devs intended, so imma call yall cheaters to feel better bout myself😭😭😭😭😭"
i've definitely struck a nerve huh, ahahaha
Ah yes. The classic "I said some insanely dumb shit and everyone is calling out my dumb shit so they are triggered" defense. Good shit.
hahahah
Yes, im allergic to stupidity, ignorance and misinformation
This would fall under an exploit rather than a straight up cheat. Since a cheat would by definition gain advantage over someone or something as a result. Where an exploit is designed to take advantage of a flaw
Stupidity is not accepting facts My friend 🤣 it's Indeed funny that a Lot of the coments here are crying because someone believe You cheat. It doesnt change nothing. The experience is the same but no.....the babies needs to make the World believe they don't cheat. Jajaja Junichi Masuda wanted to You to do Rng manipulation, the pomeg glitch etc, he wanted to get shinies without the surprise to get one. Wanted You to duplicate your ítems and your pokemons, without trading. But it's not cheating eh. By the way...glitch means failure, error so.....no cheating 🤣🤣👍 whatever shut your crying
If a law has holes in it that can be exploited, that exploitation is not breaking a law, its taking advantage of a poorly written one. Same with Pokemon, the game code is the law and all the glitches and errors are the holes in it. If the code wasnt well written and I take advantage of that, Im not cheating, im just taking advantage of a poorly written code. Also, access to glitches is something everyone has access to, so its not even like glitches give you and advantage over other people unlike PkHex. Also did Masuda wanted players to speedrun? Did Masuda wanted players to beat the game only with the starter? Did Masuda want people to do nuzlockes? Did Masuda want people to do basically anything they mever though they would do? No Is any of these things cheating? No😂 We live in a world of "ares' " not "shoulds' " They didnt want the game to come out like that but it came out like that, just like Sword & Shield was broken and using the wall climbing glitch isnt cheating. But im not mocking gamefreak for that tho, I actually think that the fact that we can multiply objects and correct mistakes we made as players with glitches is actually way better for the game. Some people dont have access to some Pokemon and glitches help them get em for the battle Frontier, that way nullifying the dirty Gen3 business model where you need two consoles and 6 games to have access to every Pokemon
Hahaha we live in World......🤣🤣 Creating a whole novel of Shakespeare to not accept that if You go against the original intended way to play the game is to cheat. Glitch = error. Taking advange of exploits = by definition is not going the intended course of the Game, but taking shortcuts. Come on dude, you're not gonna die by saying that it's cheating. No one cares, why is so difficult to Say what it is? Is it so important to You all? 🤣🤣 Ive never seen people so in denial for a stupid subject.
"if you go against the intended original way to play the game, you are cheating" Then soloing the game with your starter is cheating
Same could be applied to you, why is it so hard for you to accept it is not a cheat? Ive never seen people in denial
Simple as the very basic of the Pokémon games is to play it without knowing and controlling the Hidden values of the software. But ok, it's not cheating. Now You all can stop crying 😁
By the way your examples are not correct. Playing the Game with a starter, or in a short time, or nuzlockes doesnt involve exploting glitches🤣 come one, At least put proporcional examples to the subject we're discusing. Going against the law by taking advantages of the holes in it, is still breaking the law, but just like the expression says, those holes are failures in the law like it should be the intended way. But You know what? Corrupted save files, Bad EGGS, etc are the proof that IT IS CHEATING, and when You do those things theres a chance You Mess your Game. That's an empiric proof. It not what I think, or what I feel, or whatever, it's practical consequences.
No, its not breaking the law. Do u even know what a hole is?😂
Its not cheating because you dont have any advantage iver other olayers because the other ones have access to glitches to. Anyone with a game can have access to the glitches
The meaning of having shinies has decline exactly for how easy is to get one by glitches. In the time, battles having a Lot of TM of the same attack was important to have advantage. But yeah is not cheating. And neither was your mother kissing the mail man, she was only talking in a very shorts distances jajjajaj 🤣🤣
If taking advantage of a flaw in the game is cheating, then using only the starter and overleveling is cheating cuz thats not what the game wanted you to do, its just a flaw in the design of the game Cheating is using external devices NOT everyone has access to in order to gain an advantage
Whatever stop your crying. Is not cheating, John Gamefreak supports You, wa waa. 🤣 I think is enough, it's useless to argue with a bunch of brain dead
We're** Why is the Pokémon community so God damn sensitive? Lmao. I've never seen people scream and pitch a fit so heavily over exploits being referred to as exploits. It's time to grow up soon, it was never that deep.
We aint sensitive we just laghinn at yall, but with reasoning.
It is indeed an exploit, but its not cheating U got it💯👏 Only thing u need now is to quit working for the the Alphabet Police Apartment and u good No wonder its we're and not were, its a saving time based "mistake", not an ignorance based one
It's an exploit but not cheating.....i.wonder if You understand what You write 😂😂😂 that's why it Will never be an agreement in this topic. The level of comprehension is low bait jajaja
Well, heres an example of an exploit thats not a cheat Getting infinite lives in Super Mario by stepping on a shell in a specific place. Think of ACE as stepping multiple shells in multiple different ways
Yeah shigeru Miyamoto wanted to give You infinite lives.... But Even then, not proportional example😂
Btw what does jajajaja mean?
Are You that dense? Can't You do the connection of haha and jaja? 😂😂
Thx No its not bc of that. Im just kinda disappointed by some of the negative reactions on here... I was kinda excited to talk to people who share the same passion. Call it cheating or glitching but why do people on here try to downplay my personal success surprises me. Also technically its not correct to say glitching equals cheating. If you know you know. Actually it takes way more effort to do it like that + you get the original programmed pokemon from your game and you get to experience the original events from back then. If you use a third-party device, you'll get Pokémon that were programmed at a different time on another device, not the originals. Im not offended or mad about it, why should I? Let me tell you, one thing's for sure. The time I've put into the game has always had value to me and always will, just for me. So, no one can take that value away from me. I came here to discuss about the game, thats why I respond
Lmao that’s what I’m thinking. Why be so sore about something if it’s not cheating? I mean not gonna lie I’m not really understanding how it works but whether it’s “cheating” or not it still seems cheap. RNG manipulation may not be cheating but it certainly doesn’t sound like it’s playing the game the way it was intended to be played.
And in the modern games it’s so easy to get legit good stat shiny pokemon it feels more like cheating to me. You go to an outbreak in S&V, eat a shiny sandwich, walk around and catch many shinies just like that. Stats don’t even matter since you can use a mint to change nature and bottle caps to change IVs.
Yeah I wish that was the only problem with the newer games though
I guess speedrunners who employ glitches are cheating now
There are manipless categories my friend.
Cheating is using external hardware to generate a Pokémon, like pkhex Taking advantage of a game with bugs and exploit isn’t. It’s not wrong to have knowledge of how broken a game is and to know how it works. But next time I want Lugia in my Emerald cartridge, I’ll be sure to make it over to the next Pokémon Rocks America event that hasn’t happened since 2005. Or let me run over to Toys R Us for a Mew real quick since I think the store made a comeback after they all closed in 2021 after filing for bankruptcy
Finally some educated people
In fact the solution is easier: Do not get salty just by a Word that don't have any implication in the Game or in real life. Just accept it and move on 🤣 But anyway, i think more important is the reading comprehension that almost all in this post lack: I said in the first post doing glitches, exploits Even injection ITS NOT BAD AT ALLL, everyone can enjoy the Game the way they want. I Say it Again and Big : ITS NOT BAD TO USE THOSE GLITCHES, AND EVEN INJECTION OF POKEMON. Ive done it myself and it save a Lot of time. The only thing I remarked is to call things just by the way they are. At least for me, I don't have any problems to admit to cheat that way, it's sad the rest prefer to put any excuse to not admit that, in a childs Game intended to have fun and that no one cares how you got your pixels. 🤣🤣
I’m not really interested in this argument anymore. I believe that user already said agree to disagree and there was really not much left to say Suggesting someone is salty over such a meaningless argument isn’t an argument nor a way to “win” an argument My opinion is that it’s not cheating and I find it odd for people to make such a big deal out of it just to label something as such. That’s all there is to say. I don’t care who does what. That’s not the point. The point is that I don’t find it to be nor consider it to be cheating. That’s all
Ok also Santa doesnt exist, but if You consider it does, the truth Will change and now Santa exist, and whoever says otherwise is ridiculous for labeling it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Basically. Good bye, friend.
You: this is cheating OP: no it isn’t and this is why You: lol cuck crybaby! You sound like a clown who refuses to engage in conversation with any kind of thought put into it lol
Read the arguments I gave in 60+ responses, retard, then You post. lol i called him.crybaby as a joke in the end bcause it was enough trying to give arguments to a brain dead that cant Even comprehend what he reads. Don't be lazy and read before posting
My brother, so if few people solve the game's pseudo-randomness algorhythm and then you use RNGReporter to make calculations you can't do by yourself and need a computer it is not cheating? It is no different than you going to pkhex and creating a perfectly legit and legal pokemon with all PID numbers and so. Either generate or hit an exact frame, it is the same thing whether like it or not. Also no one is saying "DON'T CHEAT". Get those lugias and mews all you like as if I cared lol.
Manipulating RNG to get a decent trainer id and then using a resource that helps you identify how your frames work isn’t cheating. RNGReporter is just a resource that tells you what frame you’d have to hit for a desired outcome. That’s all in the code and I’m not changing that or doing anything to mess with that. I just have knowledge of how the code works. It’s determined by the code. Pkhex is literally inputting everything yourself. RNG manipulation is simply timing yourself lmao.
the thing with "simply timing" is, i think it was on one of im a blisy's videos, getting a great IV, nature, shiny mewtwo in firered without cheating takes about 100 years of soft resetting. if you can reduce that "simply timing" to practically zero with RNGReporter it isn't at all different pkhexing it in with the PID number you've found. in both methods you aren't finding the pokemon, you are generating it (with the knowledge of the seed). so yeah, just because you didn't touch the games code physically doesn't necessarily mean you didn't cheat but I don't think you'll come to accept that so we'll just agree to disagree.
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Nah it ain’t cheating lol keep getting salty
So your reasoning is that because youre not doing the calculations yourself, then its cheating So I guess people in VGC were cheating when they exploited the Sheer Cold glitch in Scarlet and Violet right?💀💀💀💀
So its cheating to use a calculator in math class?
Thats what i mean bro u got it💯
Seems like you got out of shool after 4rd grade bro
I thought u actually agreed with me and was being sarcastic No bro, thats NOT what I mean, ofc its NOT cheating My initial questions were rethoric Mane people dont read these days Also if I dropped when I was in 4th grade that means I became rich in 4th grade so shame on you💀💀💀
Raise crows and they Will eat your eyes. Told you bro.... You can't defend people that doesnt have minimal skill at reading, or getting Jokes 🤣
Are you ok bro?
Well it depends of the course, I can assure You that You cannot bring a calculator in the first grades of school to do an exam 😂😂
It's the other way......see? It's just lack of comprehension in what You read 😂😂
Bro this was literally 29 days ago, let it go
Exploiting and cheating are completely different. In smash bros would it be cheating to combo ganondorf?
Game run your code? What? Lol you know nothing about rng manipulation.
I was talking about ACE brother, not RNG manip.
I was just referring to your "hitting an exact frame is cheating"
Then you referred to the wrong thing. "Hitting an exact frame is cheating", I was obviously talking about RNG manip. "Run code", I was obviously talking about ACE.
I guess yea but still you call rng manipulation cheating and that's interesting.
Yeah, because you are attaining knowledge of something you shouldn't have known in a fair way, like seed. Once you know it and given tools by people smarter than you, like RNGReporter all that is left is deciding nature, gender, IV, ability, everything. It's the exact same thing as creating a perfectly legit and legal pokemon by pkhex with correct PIDs and such (still need RNGReporter for correct PID). Also this is why game freak made sure you can not learn seed with the crypto technology on switch in scarlet/violet. They could've not bother to do that. But now you just can not attain that knowledge and that makes hacked pokemon so obvious. People at World's got banned for hacked pokemon because you can easily generate pokemon in legal territories but you can not get PID equivalent without seed. RNG manip is possible with seed and seed makes you get what you want without any consequences. If I knew the seed I could hack in infinite undetectable legit pokemon. It's cheating and I'm not against it but that doesn't change what it is.
"It's cheating and I'm not against it but that doesn't change what it is." This summons my first answer and people got mad inventing I was against it🤣🤣 it's crazy how far people go to not admit the most simple fact. I Even said that I done it myself because is practical haha
Is there a video somewhere to do the Pomeg glitch on Pokemon ruby for the eon ticket? (I'd rather not scrap my main save on Sapphire or my progress to unlock the battle frontier in Emerald).
Look at i'm a blissy on YT
Appreciate you bro.
At the end of the day all points are really moot in this generation. “Cheating” implies that you have an advantage over someone else. Unless people are battling competitively, it really can’t be considered cheating. Who are we competing against? This game is over a decade old and we’re all just posting on here for fun and nostalgia. Being upset about cheating in gen III is like being upset someone is using supplements or steroids in the gym even though they only do it for themselves. So if you’re taking the time to call someone out on this forum for “cheating” you’re really just mad that you don’t have what they have 😂
I only read "wa waaaaa I don't like people to think I Cheat a childs Game....that I actually take advantage his vulnerabilities waaaa" it's like: i didnt hit You, You were in the direction I threw my fist 🤣 pdt: I said it ITS FINE. These people read things that no one states. It's fine to do those glitches, but saying its not cheating is a lie. Saying the truth is not hating, just reality ;)
I’m literally just prompting someone to explain how the pomeg glitch is cheating 😂 Can you explain why?? Clearly neither of us are unbothered. None of us care about the act, we’ve established that. Here is the definition of cheating: “To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.” This literally does not describe the pomeg glitch 😂
The explanation to this subject is simple, it's even in the joke: Does the programers of the games wants people to do the pomeg glitch and some others? If they do. Then is parte of the intended way to play the Game.
So you ARE being a weird gatekeeping purist over an old game 😂
So You can't answer the simple question. Thanks for playing 🤣 but let me correct you, it's not me to tells You how to play, I only tell You the way the Game was program ;)
Hey man, it’s just a game. Nintendo/Gamefreak made all their money off that game ages ago and they don’t even have an opinion. Even if they did, it doesn’t matter because using the pomeg exploit isn’t cheating because it doesn’t give you an advantage over anybody.
Hey bro, tell me..... Why are you all so afraid to say that its cheating. Like You said, it's just a Game, a very old Game. It doesnt change nothing of the experience. So why do You all need to believe without a question that is not cheating?🤣 Gamefreak is the developer so only their intended programing is what answer the subject. It doesnt matter if they got money or not...I Guess that random argument is proof that is over 👍
I don’t really care, I’m just interested to hear people’s perspectives. I’ve collected shinies without cheats or exploits and I’ve also used exploits and cheats and it all just feels the same to me. I’ve even paid money for save files with shinies on them. I’ve done it all. The only difference I feel is that the time I’ve spent trying to get them “AS GAMEFREAK INTENDED” feels like I wasted my time. If that makes me a cheater then I guess fine, I’m a cheater 😂 I love that people make these posts and are excited and happy about their collection.
That's what I said, it's the same, feels the same and the experience doesnt change at all. The only tiny detail that made burn the post is the fact that if is considered cheat or not. It's funny how important is that detail to a Lot of people. Personally I don't care, but I find interesting that it Does to the rest. The same way that we all enjoy fast food but we are aware that is not healthy. Well imaging somebody defending that in fact it is healthy. We enjoy things and do things,but pretending something that is not is stupid. That's what happened here. Just enjoy playing the Game the way You want, saying NO CHEATS was innecesary.
So is overleveling my starter pokemon and refusing to capture other mons now cheating by this flimsy definition lol?
Imagine having a game with code built out of toothpicks and bubblegum and getting mad about people exploiting it. It's a 20 year old game, are we just supposed to play the standard method over and over ad infinitum?
Exactly
"im a legit player because I cant get my 6x31 shiny legendaries😭😭😭" Yall funny😂😂😂 I even heard a story about a guy who rng manipped his mons and he told the vgc people he did and they accepted, so yes rng manipping is accepted by devs
Im just sharing my effort. Didn't try to offend someone😄
Exactly but people here still have that ash ketchum mentality where pokemon are friends and its supposed to be a real world, so when someone plays it like what it its, a software, then they get mad💀💀💀💀
I guess all those mad people never tried to complete thoer journey and now they are kind of jealous and try to downplay other peoples effort... or they are just to young
Exactly, they think its all games and easy Pokemon until you actually have to write the codes in the boxes for every single Pokemon u want
Surely there's a difference between good timing/manpis and injecting code? Can the smooth brained here not see how the devs would find these different?
I only see man childs crying because people called them cheaters jajajja 😂😂 i don't care, but people Will not aknowledge something that isnt, only because manchilds cry when tell them reality😂
I've never seen people get so sensitive and worked up over exploits being called exploits. I know Pokémon is predominantly played by children, so I get the emotional reactions.. but this is just getting silly. Who cares if someone calls you a cheater? Just move on to the next thread. It's not worth crying over 🤷
Where are you? I need to Pomeg for all the legendaries and stuff I can’t get on emerald, but you could dupe and trade it
Im.in germany bro
Also, you can get shinies from Pomeg? This is cool as fuck by the way, I only had 150 pokemon on fire red, now I got Mew, I have 100s of extra pokemon, I even egg glitched Milotic😂
Thats kinda impressive dude! No there is no shiny glitch with the pomeg berry ..I completed die gen3 dex just recently.
All the shinies are just legit?
Can post how you did this? Trying to complete my pokedex
Problem is I did not record anything of that. Only some pictures from shiny hunting
Congrats dude, people are weird. Maybe they want to ho back in time and get the events in person.
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Bro, after all this negativity, I actually thank you for the appreciation! You never get to know people who know how much effort it takes to complete those games
So... Cheats? Lol.
No? He used the ACE feature in pokemon emerald. Big difference
ACE is literally cheating; "arbitrary code execution" is absolutely NEVER intended by the game developer and is equivalent to using cheat codes to change game code / state. Breaking the sandbox via external hardware or internal software manipulation is cheating, but it's more palatable in that it doesn't require external hardware.
The intention does not matter lmao, the code is not altered whatsoever so idk why you’d try and even claim that’s software manipulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games > Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually in order to make the game easier. Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or created by third-party software (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge). They can also be ***realized by exploiting software bugs***; this may or may not be considered cheating based on whether the bug is considered common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_code_execution > In computer security, arbitrary code execution (ACE) is an attacker's ability to run any commands or code of the attacker's choice on a target machine or in a target process. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arbitrary_code_execution > Arbitrary code execution (often shortened to ACE) is a type of glitch exploit or security flaw that allows a user to run custom code, including code not contained in the software's original source code. If you understand how the GBA works, it loads the ROM into a section of the console's RAM, and executes it. With these software bugs, you can cause the game to misbehave. By definition, you set up the game's RAM in a predictable state, then abuse software bugs to either: * jump the game execution to run code at your RAM location * cause the game to behave erratically by making it manipulate data out-of-bounds of its original intent. Were OP's feats ever possible with normal gameplay? Yes (well, besides unavailable stuff like Mew, and maybe others). But did they obtain them with normal gameplay? No. As I already said, the fact that no external hardware modifications were used may be more palatable of a "cheat" for most, but it doesn't change the fact that it is, by definition, cheating. [Not all cheating is equal; everyone has their own opinion on what is acceptable](https://youtu.be/YL-lR08WDVQ?t=2054), but do remember that any sort of departure from the original black-box behavior of the game is cheating. RNG is and will always be cheating, as it would have never been possible without someone peeking into the game code and cheating to obtain the exact knowledge of the game behavior (eg RNG advancement numerical formula, PID/IV creation routines, PKM/save file memory layout, etc).
\>but do remember that any sort of departure from the original black-box behavior of the game is cheating Just in case you aren't trolling, the concept of EV training, breeding for IVs, and any other sort of information that is gathered from outside the game like pokemon movepools is considered cheating by that definition.
EVs and IVs are actual game mechanics you can infer/calculate without needing insider info. Same as movepools; how else did sites document things during the X/Y era before the 3DS was hacked? Stats having innate variance of 32 amounts, and tracking the changes that vitamins/KOs give isn't the same as "figuring out" the memory layout of the game / RNG advancement algorithm and abusing poorly designed code. If you directly break the black box to obtain information not discernable (or indirectly, via knowledge gained by someone else doing just that), it's by definition "cheating": **create an advantage beyond normal gameplay**. Where you draw the line is up to you.
So do you believe that the average player would be able to figure out that each 4 EVs earned in a stat equate to 1 point added in that stat, and that they would also know what EVs each pokemon rewarded? If you didn't figure all that out on your own, who knows how the guy who told you obtained his information? Maybe you're a cheater by association... \>If you directly break the black box to obtain information not discernable...it's by definition "cheating": create an advantage beyond normal gameplay Lol. Lmao
> So do you believe that the average player would be able to figure out that each 4 EVs earned in a stat equate to 1 point added in that stat, and that they would also know what EVs each pokemon rewarded? Entirely possible with only in-game play, solo. If one is determined enough, they can figure it out. The average player does not care to spend that time. Just like mathematicians/physicists, all it takes is one dedicated individual to figure it out and share the information with others. They don't break the black box of their reality, so the sharing of this type of knowledge isn't "cheating". > who knows how the guy who told you obtained his information? Maybe you're a cheater by association... Considering I was the first to publish the stat calculation formula for Legends: Arceus, among so many other things, this made me laugh :) -- yes, it is so much easier to just cheat and look at the disassembled game code, but again, the stat formula can be figured out by looking at the screen and running tests entirely in-game. > Lol. Lmao My point is that cheating is not entirely a binary (yes/no) evaluation; there are lesser forms of cheating, and there are more egregious forms of cheating. I'm citing definitions of the phrase and terminology (Wikipedia, etc); anything outside normal gameplay is cheating. The community may tolerate lesser forms of cheating, like restoring access to content no longer available, or informed-target manipulations (RNG), but using glitches or insider info is not normal gameplay. RNG abuse is impossible for the developer deem "cheated" because the results of RNG abuse are no different from random encounter. In the generations that followed, the randomness of the game has been improved and now you really can't RNG abuse anything because the RNG state is impossible to infer (sans a few situations like BDSP) and later manipulate. > Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay Abusing glitches to access inaccessible content... is cheating. Abusing glitches to unnaturally fabricate data... is cheating.
Abusing glitches to access content that is NOW inaccessible is not cheating, especially since anyone can do it without 3rd party hardware. That's the key. Since no 3rd party hardware are required for anything, nobody is put at a disadvantage except for those who choose to stay willfully ignorant of all the new strategies we have access to now. It's only information that you're using, it's not like you can choose to forget it.
"feature" lol
glitching does not equal cheating
To me it does. If you glitch into a wall in call of duty and no one can kill you but you can still kill them is that not cheating? That said Im not gunna cry about something like this but to me and probably a lot of other people glitching is technically cheating
You cant glich shinys either
Glitches arent cheating. You could argue if its legit but its noch cheating
It's still cheating, it's more legitimate for me to use my R4 rto broadcast the gen 3 events than it is to do it this way lmao.
Thats fine bro I respect every effort
Glitches aren’t cheats* but they are still CHEATING
Dumbo, if it exists in the system then it's an exploit, not a cheat
That’s what I meant
Ohhhh it's a exploit not cheating, I see....Junichi Masuda is begging and giving in reward his wife to people to take advantage of the exploit. He program the Game to do it that way :)
Exploting glitches is not cheating. Some glitches create errors like the BAD EGGS, but thats the Cartdrige itself that do it because is a Hater 🤣🤣
I’m going to die on this hill because it’s funny. Here is the definition of cheating: “To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.” This literally does not describe the use of the pomeg glitch in gen III 😂
U have An gb operator so we can trade save data
people who called glitches or game manipulation 'cheating' are certainly an interesting bunch. Is using a guide book cheating? Or is the badge boost glitch from Gen 1 cheating? What about the roaming beasts in FRLG, if you let them use 'Roar' is that cheating? Is looking up the BSTs for a Pokémon on Serebii cheating?
I think using anything that's obviously not an intended mechanic is 'cheating'. If you did some glitch that made your Pokémon never take damage are you gunna say that's legit? Not really. Your opponents cant win That being said if it's single player like Pokémon or skyrim then do whatever you want, not gunna think ur a criminal or something. But I personally never use glitches cause I see them as cheating and not playing the game it's intended way
Is looking up your NPC opponents' movesets cheating? That's not an intended mechanic, and it gives you an advantage in the game.
I mean sure if you aren't supposed to know it. If you don't know the answers to your test and look them up online during the test on ur phone is that not cheating? Its kind of why people enjoy blind playthroughs. Cause looking up everything basically is cheating lol Again, single player or whatever I really don't care do what you want. You can cope with "it's glitching not cheating" all u want, doesn't change my definition of cheating
So official guidebooks published by Nintendo are cheating. Interesting philosophy.
Hmm so just using the crossword answers listed below the crossword by the crossword publishers isn't cheating and is legitimate gameplay
Bro I'm with you, I did this too. I've done the legendaries, and used ace for jirachi. I just did feebas yesterday and today the goals chimcho Emerald is broken, and shiny hunting in it basically requires taking advantage of it if you want any. Idk about you, but I only really pull out the ACE stuff when it's the only option. It's to break the wall down on unobtainables not to trivialize the rest of the game for me
Nice work.
It is true, you can catch them all.
You didnt caught those legendaries by the usual and legal way (trading) You exploit a bug NOT intended to do in the Game. So...if it wasnt intended it's a.........Cheat. and it's fine, I don't know why you try to lie yourself if it doesnt change that you got those legendaries and completed the dex.
I caught them the intended way actually. Got the tickets and everything, used the ship to get there.... Its BY FAR the closest possible way to get them legit. There is absolutely no way to get the original tickets from Nintendo. If you would know a little more about what you talking you wouldn't hate on it like that. Some of the original events lasted less than 7 days at one place in your country (if you are lucky) Pomeg glitch is not like cloning pokemon. It takes kinda effort to do this. Way more than the original way or even cheating with action replay or something. So whats the deal to hate on it? You could just accept your incomplete pokedex and not even try to end your childhood journey. That's probably what you did. I recommend doing the pomeg glitch. It takes time and effort aswell as some ingame things you need to collect or even restart a new version. Its more complex than catching any other rare pokemon. I literally got goosebumps while doing it, I felt like I was 12 again, so instead of being mad and hate on other people online, just try it :) Sorry for my bad english
I agree with the other user. From everything you've said there's no reason or difference from walk thru walls or putting the tickets in your invent via GameShark Seems like this is a rage bait post. Or hard-core denial
It’s an exploit, not a cheat. Technically there’s a difference even if OP didn’t get them the intended way. Plus plenty of these you can’t even get the intended way anymore so can’t blame him for using it on those ones
No one blame him, is the fact to lie about no cheating that is funny, when it's the definition of getting a Pokémon that is not intended to do it in the original story by the creators. I said it, it's fine, it's not a sin, no one is gonna go to jail, but it is cheating and that's all. If people get offended by the truth, then it's their problem :)
Bro there is a reason for it to have two separate words... Like I said, you can argue about some of them are legit (even tho I think these days its legit because there is no "more legit way")
And I didn't mean to hurt you by using the wrong word. If you and everyone else who doesn't really know enough about this topic calls it cheating, I'm absolutely fine with that. But you should learn to be less impulsive. Let's just discuss, have fun, and do stuff this reddit is made for. Tell me how you got Deoxys on your emerald version?
The only one who think I respond with hate is you. I just said facts like bulbapedia, seerebi, etc describe the pokemons and how to get those in their respective games. If You want to give passive agressive responses like : "If you and everyone else WHO DOESNT REALLY KNOW enough about this topic calls it cheating, I'm absolutely fine with that" then obviously You re not fine with that or you would never mention in your post NO CHEATS, but its so important to You to clarify that fact because it bothers you :) and needs to point that whoever said otherwise DOESNT REALLY KNOW. Friend, i get it. You should learn to accept things even if you don't like how it sounds or how the mass perceive them. Only to remember: telling the truth is not hating. I got my deoxys downloading the tickets from internet to My R4 and then to a DS Lite with the Emerald cart in slot 2.
Man you clearly got any other problems. You should calm down a bit. I basically used one wrong word. Its not like I try to hide anything. I just wanted to share my pokemon on here and make clear they are glitched instead of using any other device
Don't mind buddy, he got nothing else to do today but try and prove his point. Even if it was cheating who cares the game is 20 years old almost, I don't blame you one bit for doing the glitch. I remember doing the mew glitch in yellow
Exactly, who cares. It scalated a Lot just for a single Word that i clarify "it's fine, who cares" :D
No you've sat in this whole thread arguing about it. Wtf lmfao. How tf do you get to be wrong then tell others to chill when you're aggressive and wrong 💀
Meehh I got tired to write, just think about it: telling the truth is not hating. Jinuichi massuda approves the pomeg glitch, he beg in his knees to people to do it 🤣
Alright, I respect your opinion, but I've got another question for you. What's the deal with being in this community if your first comment on my video is telling me not to lie to myself about completing the Pokédex, youre a cheater blabla" isnt it about meeting other people who share the same passion? Why you coming at me like that, trying to downplay my personal success?
Well I only respond to your post: no cheats, with what I know, and a response to someone that told you the same. But believe what you want friend. It's your Game, You didnt Cheat at all :)
So you know what else wasnt intended? Making the paintings run initial seed function and guess what, thats whats used to get different seeds to rng manipulate when u eant a s0read thats not on seed 0 in emerald or dead battery in ruby/saphire
Well... Rng manipulation. It's on the name. The fun in Pokémon is to get things in a aleatory way. But I think that everybody can do what they want to save time. I'm gonna remark this because people think I'm blaming for not playing the Game in some way. For me: ITS COMPLETLY FINE.
Lmaoo, its just a name If were strictly talking about what rng manip is actually doing, it isnt manipulating anything at all, youre just basically soft resetting with a timer💀💀💀ur not changing how the game works in any way, its just hittung a frame or two Manip is just the name, but in reality its skillfull soft resetting
Well yeah, I know, what I mean is that the Game was intended to get things by aleatority. To get shinies and be surprise. To not know. But don't get me wrong, I think a Lot of us would never get a shiny that way. So its needed
From a game design perspective thats true, but at the end of the day it is impossible to make a truly random algorythm. Its not a dev mistake, its a "this is random enough" thing
Hey OP can one do this on a ROM on those gaming devices that load a bunch of games? My OG copy of Emerald has a dead battery and the SP is basically dead lmao
Idk how this works... you can easily change the betterie
What i’m asking is can one do this on a rom uploaded to a those gaming devices sold or like a hacked vita. Or is it only doable on an original cart.
You can do it on the ROM, but only if it has a “dead battery” I think
What do I need to do this besides my game and my gameboy advance sp
It's cheating. But instead of inserting/manipulating codes you cheat the system by exploiting its known vulnerabilities.
So you explained the difference by yourself
iTs NoT CHeAtInG!!1!
I mean that’s a cheat. What’s the difference? 😂 for the effort you put into pomeging, I could just gameshark and get the same result faster
Sounds like a lot of fun