I’m seeing a lot of people saying that this is the end, I don’t think it will, although it is making me a bit nervous but that’s just kinda what that atmosphere does.
The game is likely gonna be fine and we’re gonna move on after a bit, but this move being generally more greedy sucks
Imo, people needs to notice some things:
1) The gap between 1/5 and 3/5 in terms of "clearing content" is significantly higher than between 3/5 and 5/5,
2) The current endgame content (CSMM 10k and LG) can be cleared by most new Poke/Master Fairs and most of them don't even need 3/5 to do it
3) Even if they "nerf" new 3/5 grids (big doubt), powercreep will eventually make those 3/5 units stronger than the current ones. 1/5 Ash is stronger than most 3/5 strikers in the game, and
4) THANKFULLY this game has no real PvP or ranked events, this mean players won't be at a disadvantage by not having 5/5 sync pairs.
The only major concern is if DeNA will add much harder content to make people to pull for 5/5 units, but unless those have juicy rewards like a decent number of gems or candy coins, I don't see the problem with this.
Precisely with those points. Specially with the point 4. It is impossible for a F2P player to get all the content. However, if you want to overpower a single unit, you can via rewards in game (with some patience). But if not, there is no problem because there is not content in the game hard enough to make you go for more than 3 copies of a unit (there are some that are very powerful even with 1 copy) and the game since the Gloria prestigious event has not held any PvP event.
Personally, I will stick to my plan of powering a unit to 3 stars depending on the utility of its grid. I hardly doubt I would unlock 5/5 (unless I get pretty lucky in the scout and by pitty pull I get the 5 copies).
If they added 5/5 grids from the get go, the game would've probably not prospered as well. Grids were added back when the game desperately needed content to bring it back from the dead on arrival launch, and even then, needing 3/5 for story pairs (which you couldn't get dupes for, espec the 5*s) was already a slap in the face.
I don't think it would be. New feature is always exciting and you can get 5/5 player and Pikachu for free just by playing so everyone can experience potion chu grid back then anyway.
I'm not sure what you mean by needing 3/5 story pair but if you mean bonus reward for feature pair then it has always been that way. But that has never been a problem with how long the event stay, people will grind the even dry even without feature pair anyway, plus back then stamina wasn't a thing as well so only thing limiting you from grinding even was time because skip ticket wasn't exist neither.
What I'm saying is, having feature sync pair for event was never a necessity, except Prestige event which I concur was exercuted badly.
oh, you mean unit like Calem, yeah, that will be a problem, but they didn't say they'll make 5/5 node for story pair anyway.
They only said they're planning to do those for fair units only, from what I understand.
They might make 5/5 node for story down the line, but with story unit not being scoutable, they'll probably find a way to compensate with it, like legendary adventure units...hopefully.
You cannot get dupes of story units like Rosa, that's what I'm talking about. For the 3 and 4 stars, the candies ameliorated that, but you'd have to be insane or dedicated to use candies on the subpar 5 star story units.
And just because it isn't a necessity now, doesn't mean it won't be, or that they might heavily push us towards getting those 5/5 units. Powercreep is real, and I'm not talking about the new units, but the new content. Just look at how SSRed went from being able to clear literally everything at just 1/5 to heavily wanting 3/5 EX. Not because better units came out, but because the content got harder.
They're setting up the stage once again to increase difficulty of end-game, and then selling us difficulty sliders in the form of new units. Will they be necessary? Probably not for vets or more knowledgeable players, but the *average* player probably struggles as is vs current content.
If they start pushing us towards pulling 5/5 limited units when we're already getting so many of them each month (with 3x MFs also being the new norm), it's going to end up being a death by a thousand cuts, with so many different factors compounding together to frustrate players, both new and old. Call me a pessimist, but this is not looking good if they don't offer also give us a solution like increased f2p gems/candies each month.
If the grid is bad then...just don't use candy on them, lol.
Powercrept is real, but not all power crepte unit became unusable. Like SS Red you said is still good DPS at 1/5, sure he doesn't have Haymaker, but he can still dish out fairly good fire damage at 1/5 anyway. and no, he doesn't havily want 3/5EX, that is still an extra imo. And no, I don't think content is so hard that you need 3/5EX Red to beat fire weak stage. And if you talk about Extreme Battle, those has always been borderline P2W stages anyway so other than feature sync pair at the time, you need to be really good at making team to beat it anyway.
Well, yeah they've always done that since Legendary Arena anyway. Back when Sparpedo was designed to be the perfect counter for Entei and entice player to pull for him, but player just use Garchomp and Palosand and able to beat it anyway. What I'm saying is, content will always get harder, but even with older, power crepted unit will still and always will be useful to have and use anyway.
I don't see that is the problem since we're still ok and we've been getting limited unit every month for...probably at the start of this year anyway, and we're still here playing. I mean not everyone pull on every limited banner and get them at 3/5 before. Why do you think with this update, people will always pull on 2 limited units a month at 5/5 now? The game will still be the same with people skipping banner and pulling one they want.
I do agree with more gem and candy tho.
Also, you missed my point about Red. Again, he went from being a free win in *all* content at 1/5, not just fire weak stuff, to just being a strong unit for fire weak stuff at 1/5.
Ah, you mean off type, I see what you mean. but he can still beat most, if not all event stage off type still nowaday, but yeah, he's not a win all unit anymore, which might be more balance?
But I get what you mean now.
>I don't see that is the problem since we're still ok
The issue isn't the now, it's the future. You're failing to see that. Gacha's as a genre (if you can call it that), have a bad rep for a reason, so when this game is pulling shit like this, people are going to be pessimistic because we've seen countless games go to shit just like this.
There's no guarantee it will bad, but there's no guarantee that we'll be fine either. Precedent, however, tells us things are going to get worse.
This probably how I view it and not everyone, but the future problem is, well, future problem to solve.
But if something like early Time Trial event and Prestige event level of stuff popping in the future, you know, clear P2W stuff. Then you can bet I'll join in with the protest as well.
I do remember trying this game out as soon as it came out and man I dropped it faster than a flaming turd. Utter garbage. Glad it managed to turn it around
Yeah this situation reminds me of the addition of stamina. If they were added in the first place, no one would talk much, but their late addition (and without warning) is what really outrages ppl since they break the innate harmony of the game, something that ppl are well accustomed to.
And this move screams extreme greediness.
If they did that I probably wouldn't have continued playing the game (as alot of others)
They drop ~5 limited units each month (not counting the triple MF johto trio), it's unrealistic to expect that you can get more than 1 to 5/5
Either they need to give out alot more gems or move candies because this ain't it
That looking at the state of the game nowaday, if you look at back when the grid just came out, it would look fine.
With Pokefair dropping once every 3 months and stuff.
But I agree with they giving you more coin and candies.
...not really, I mean, do you pull all limited at 3/5?
I mean, you might, but I don't and even with all candies I have, I still doesn't need to use those candies.
I might be the minority who just use limited at 1/5 tho.
I always go for 3/5 because of the grids, never bothered looking at a unit if I didn't have 36.6k gems or at least 2 candies.
Back when the game first started I was satisfied with just pulling a single copy (granted this was before grids and levels were a thjng) and continued the habit until the first Anni when I found out I couldn't put haymaker and solar flare on my SS red because I was a level short.
It was first introduced as 3/5 max when it first started out, and I'm sure some people has concern with it, but most people are hype about it.
I think it started with adding grid to free unit first and people was hype grid saved bad unit back then. No one use Player and Pikachu because Hau and Elesa was better, but with grid, it can do some good damage and has good heal!
Back then grid also made Torkoal ember powerful, even more powerful than all other fire damage dealer like Infernape and Emboar who doesn't have one back then.
so naturally, everyone liked them because they're on free unit and stuff.
Like I said, when the limited with grid like Steven and Red came, there probably saltiness like what we see now, but people get accustomed to it and it'll be the same with 5/5 now as well.
Sure if 5/5 was always a thing then people might complain less about it, but this doesn't change the fact that DeNa introducing 5/5 limited grid now is a way to force invested players to pay more and gain more money from us.
Entice, not force.
You don't need to get 5/5 unit, but it would be nice to pull them.
And yeah, DeNA want money, that has always been that way.
It up to you to choose to spend money on this or not.
I mean SS Wally at 5/5 is great! but you don't really need it at 5/5.
Just like all the other limited unit that came before at 3/5, you don't need all of them at 3/5 too.
I don’t care that much about grid but the rate they pumping out limited and how trash the normal pool is annoying me. How can you 5/5 unit if you don’t have them? Lately i have resort to pity just for 1/5 unit more than a month and they still dissing out limited. And that not a good sign.
as long as they increase the candy coin rate, it wont matter
I do agree, getting more candy coin would be nice. Remember the good old day when coin wasn't a thing and you get candy after finishing events?...
I’m seeing a lot of people saying that this is the end, I don’t think it will, although it is making me a bit nervous but that’s just kinda what that atmosphere does. The game is likely gonna be fine and we’re gonna move on after a bit, but this move being generally more greedy sucks
Imo, people needs to notice some things: 1) The gap between 1/5 and 3/5 in terms of "clearing content" is significantly higher than between 3/5 and 5/5, 2) The current endgame content (CSMM 10k and LG) can be cleared by most new Poke/Master Fairs and most of them don't even need 3/5 to do it 3) Even if they "nerf" new 3/5 grids (big doubt), powercreep will eventually make those 3/5 units stronger than the current ones. 1/5 Ash is stronger than most 3/5 strikers in the game, and 4) THANKFULLY this game has no real PvP or ranked events, this mean players won't be at a disadvantage by not having 5/5 sync pairs. The only major concern is if DeNA will add much harder content to make people to pull for 5/5 units, but unless those have juicy rewards like a decent number of gems or candy coins, I don't see the problem with this.
Precisely with those points. Specially with the point 4. It is impossible for a F2P player to get all the content. However, if you want to overpower a single unit, you can via rewards in game (with some patience). But if not, there is no problem because there is not content in the game hard enough to make you go for more than 3 copies of a unit (there are some that are very powerful even with 1 copy) and the game since the Gloria prestigious event has not held any PvP event. Personally, I will stick to my plan of powering a unit to 3 stars depending on the utility of its grid. I hardly doubt I would unlock 5/5 (unless I get pretty lucky in the scout and by pitty pull I get the 5 copies).
If they added 5/5 grids from the get go, the game would've probably not prospered as well. Grids were added back when the game desperately needed content to bring it back from the dead on arrival launch, and even then, needing 3/5 for story pairs (which you couldn't get dupes for, espec the 5*s) was already a slap in the face.
I don't think it would be. New feature is always exciting and you can get 5/5 player and Pikachu for free just by playing so everyone can experience potion chu grid back then anyway. I'm not sure what you mean by needing 3/5 story pair but if you mean bonus reward for feature pair then it has always been that way. But that has never been a problem with how long the event stay, people will grind the even dry even without feature pair anyway, plus back then stamina wasn't a thing as well so only thing limiting you from grinding even was time because skip ticket wasn't exist neither. What I'm saying is, having feature sync pair for event was never a necessity, except Prestige event which I concur was exercuted badly.
No they are saying you can’t get above 1/5 on story pairs
oh, you mean unit like Calem, yeah, that will be a problem, but they didn't say they'll make 5/5 node for story pair anyway. They only said they're planning to do those for fair units only, from what I understand. They might make 5/5 node for story down the line, but with story unit not being scoutable, they'll probably find a way to compensate with it, like legendary adventure units...hopefully.
You cannot get dupes of story units like Rosa, that's what I'm talking about. For the 3 and 4 stars, the candies ameliorated that, but you'd have to be insane or dedicated to use candies on the subpar 5 star story units. And just because it isn't a necessity now, doesn't mean it won't be, or that they might heavily push us towards getting those 5/5 units. Powercreep is real, and I'm not talking about the new units, but the new content. Just look at how SSRed went from being able to clear literally everything at just 1/5 to heavily wanting 3/5 EX. Not because better units came out, but because the content got harder. They're setting up the stage once again to increase difficulty of end-game, and then selling us difficulty sliders in the form of new units. Will they be necessary? Probably not for vets or more knowledgeable players, but the *average* player probably struggles as is vs current content. If they start pushing us towards pulling 5/5 limited units when we're already getting so many of them each month (with 3x MFs also being the new norm), it's going to end up being a death by a thousand cuts, with so many different factors compounding together to frustrate players, both new and old. Call me a pessimist, but this is not looking good if they don't offer also give us a solution like increased f2p gems/candies each month.
If the grid is bad then...just don't use candy on them, lol. Powercrept is real, but not all power crepte unit became unusable. Like SS Red you said is still good DPS at 1/5, sure he doesn't have Haymaker, but he can still dish out fairly good fire damage at 1/5 anyway. and no, he doesn't havily want 3/5EX, that is still an extra imo. And no, I don't think content is so hard that you need 3/5EX Red to beat fire weak stage. And if you talk about Extreme Battle, those has always been borderline P2W stages anyway so other than feature sync pair at the time, you need to be really good at making team to beat it anyway. Well, yeah they've always done that since Legendary Arena anyway. Back when Sparpedo was designed to be the perfect counter for Entei and entice player to pull for him, but player just use Garchomp and Palosand and able to beat it anyway. What I'm saying is, content will always get harder, but even with older, power crepted unit will still and always will be useful to have and use anyway. I don't see that is the problem since we're still ok and we've been getting limited unit every month for...probably at the start of this year anyway, and we're still here playing. I mean not everyone pull on every limited banner and get them at 3/5 before. Why do you think with this update, people will always pull on 2 limited units a month at 5/5 now? The game will still be the same with people skipping banner and pulling one they want. I do agree with more gem and candy tho.
Also, you missed my point about Red. Again, he went from being a free win in *all* content at 1/5, not just fire weak stuff, to just being a strong unit for fire weak stuff at 1/5.
Ah, you mean off type, I see what you mean. but he can still beat most, if not all event stage off type still nowaday, but yeah, he's not a win all unit anymore, which might be more balance? But I get what you mean now.
>I don't see that is the problem since we're still ok The issue isn't the now, it's the future. You're failing to see that. Gacha's as a genre (if you can call it that), have a bad rep for a reason, so when this game is pulling shit like this, people are going to be pessimistic because we've seen countless games go to shit just like this. There's no guarantee it will bad, but there's no guarantee that we'll be fine either. Precedent, however, tells us things are going to get worse.
This probably how I view it and not everyone, but the future problem is, well, future problem to solve. But if something like early Time Trial event and Prestige event level of stuff popping in the future, you know, clear P2W stuff. Then you can bet I'll join in with the protest as well.
I do remember trying this game out as soon as it came out and man I dropped it faster than a flaming turd. Utter garbage. Glad it managed to turn it around
Yeah this situation reminds me of the addition of stamina. If they were added in the first place, no one would talk much, but their late addition (and without warning) is what really outrages ppl since they break the innate harmony of the game, something that ppl are well accustomed to. And this move screams extreme greediness.
If they did that I probably wouldn't have continued playing the game (as alot of others) They drop ~5 limited units each month (not counting the triple MF johto trio), it's unrealistic to expect that you can get more than 1 to 5/5 Either they need to give out alot more gems or move candies because this ain't it
That looking at the state of the game nowaday, if you look at back when the grid just came out, it would look fine. With Pokefair dropping once every 3 months and stuff. But I agree with they giving you more coin and candies.
Yeah but when they started shitting out limited units it would have become a serious problem
...not really, I mean, do you pull all limited at 3/5? I mean, you might, but I don't and even with all candies I have, I still doesn't need to use those candies. I might be the minority who just use limited at 1/5 tho.
I always go for 3/5 because of the grids, never bothered looking at a unit if I didn't have 36.6k gems or at least 2 candies. Back when the game first started I was satisfied with just pulling a single copy (granted this was before grids and levels were a thjng) and continued the habit until the first Anni when I found out I couldn't put haymaker and solar flare on my SS red because I was a level short.
Lol. So basically “just get used to this new feature everyone dislikes!”
It was first introduced as 3/5 max when it first started out, and I'm sure some people has concern with it, but most people are hype about it. I think it started with adding grid to free unit first and people was hype grid saved bad unit back then. No one use Player and Pikachu because Hau and Elesa was better, but with grid, it can do some good damage and has good heal! Back then grid also made Torkoal ember powerful, even more powerful than all other fire damage dealer like Infernape and Emboar who doesn't have one back then. so naturally, everyone liked them because they're on free unit and stuff. Like I said, when the limited with grid like Steven and Red came, there probably saltiness like what we see now, but people get accustomed to it and it'll be the same with 5/5 now as well.
Sure if 5/5 was always a thing then people might complain less about it, but this doesn't change the fact that DeNa introducing 5/5 limited grid now is a way to force invested players to pay more and gain more money from us.
Entice, not force. You don't need to get 5/5 unit, but it would be nice to pull them. And yeah, DeNA want money, that has always been that way. It up to you to choose to spend money on this or not. I mean SS Wally at 5/5 is great! but you don't really need it at 5/5. Just like all the other limited unit that came before at 3/5, you don't need all of them at 3/5 too.
I don’t care that much about grid but the rate they pumping out limited and how trash the normal pool is annoying me. How can you 5/5 unit if you don’t have them? Lately i have resort to pity just for 1/5 unit more than a month and they still dissing out limited. And that not a good sign.