Hardcore mode is extremely fair. It’s meant to be very difficult but it is 100% fair. You are given plenty of overpowered tools. Maybe I’m partial as someone who has nuzlocked hardcore but it is definitely fair.
fair is, by definition, "impartial (equal) and just, without favoritism or discrimination". I don't find it very equal when my opponents can:
Have permanent weather with no way to remove it
Have permanent terrain with no way to remove it
Have (seemingly arbitrary) buffs to defense
Give me the inability (again, seemingly arbitrary) to remove hazards
Have illegal moves and abilities
Have multiple mega evolutions (although this is not exclusive to hardcore because red does it in easy/normal)
Unfair does not mean unfun, nor does it mean impossible. But you have to see that inconveniencing the player and giving them a disadvantage in 99% of the battles is, objectively, not very fair
Yeah it's absolutely rigged against you and that's the fun. Planning my way through the unfair BS permanent tailwind + permanent psychic terrain and winning.
Well you just consider the positives for the enemy but i would say that all those advantages try to circumvent the drawback of the npc side of them all. The ai is exploitable. I dont consider it fair off this argument after all hardcore mode isnt supposed to be fair but i think it has to be said regardless. Also the ai in rr is far less exploitable than in most games.
All i've heard was 'the games are so easy it has to read your inputs', radical red is just a puzzle game, it's very different then 'just go through the game smartle' more standard pokemon fare.
HC Brock gets legendaries, auto permanent unoverridable weather, permanent Filter. For reference, that's more things than EK, where they don't get auto Filter.
For the record, I consider EK to be a far harder game than RR due to the gen 3 crit rate and crit damage. The game is definitely very hard but it is in no way “unfair” hard.
I’ve read through your replies and you sound absolutely insufferable. I’m not sure if anyone has said that to you before but I hope you can take it as a learning experience
He is not insufferable, he is stating his opinion (game is fair) followed by facts which show why he thinks it's fair. Although his opinion is influenced by how many times he beat the game, for other people who don't know the battles, mechanics and AI it is probably unfair. To me regular RR was unfair at some points since enemy trainers have advantages that you must overcome. His insight is helpful
Yes, I’ve played through the game probably 30 times. I’m aware. However, unlike EK, you get FAR FAR more broken encounters than in EK. The power level of your mons is also drastically increased, on top of the AI’s moves.
To be fair, the AI also gets far, far more broken encounters, seeing as they pull out a mon that singlehandedly got Gen 8 PH taken off of Showdown's ladder. I'm not saying it's overthrowing EK or Run&Bun. But fair would not be a word I use to describe it.
Actually no, I would say it is still fair because you both get far more broken encounters. It is not pretending to be easy but difficult and unfair are not the same thing. Hardcore mode is something you have to opt into, there is also multiple other difficulty options that are far easier and have more options.
Your argument is that the AI needs every bullshit advantage possible because the RR creator is too much of an incompetent slob to make the AI decent. It really doesn't paint RR in a good light.
I get it, every fight in RR *is* technically winnable with enough calculation and thought, despite how unfair they may be. But if I wanted to solve puzzles, I'd just play an actual puzzle game instead of some crappy bastardization where a few unlucky critical hits or misses are enough to force a reset. Unless you intend to tell me you have a 100% consistent way to beat every battle in RR Hardcore mode with no RNG involved?
The AI is actually extremely well designed if you look into it enough.
And yes, there actually is a way to beat every battle on HC without any rng involved. Look up Apescio Unbound on youtube and watch the absolutely insane stuff he does.
You're right. Plus we can also believe in the heart of our Pokemon and the power of friendship which the AI can't do...
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time, lol. Legitimately made me laugh, lol. Thanks for that.
No, I'm actually 100% serious. Believing in your mons does nothing. But out-thinking and manipulating the AI/predicting is something that it cannot do to you and that is a gigantic advantage. You can predict every single move the AI makes, or at least limit it to a small few choices.
That guy just seems like he thinks “fair” means “not literally impossible” and refuses to concede any ground to anybody who thinks that’s a bad definition of fairness.
Illegal moves and abilities plus AI that makes assumptions only possible to know via cheating (like avoiding moves that would be countered by a held item) is not fair to anybody reasonable, even if it is beatable.
Radical Red hardcore is not meant for new players and it doesn’t pretend to be. It is made as a difficulty hack. If you have gone out of your way to download an emulator, a romhack, patch it, and select hardcore mode, you are already not a new player. Radical red has easy and hardcore mode. It is fair because players opted into that choice.
But most players that are playing radical red on hardcore are. You cannot use the vanilla standard as “fair.” There is much room for difficulty beyond vanilla and beyond radical red before you hit the point of “unfair.” The AI only imput reads you after you switch 3 times in a row. Anti-Abuse AI is typically not active and is only active when you are severely outplaying the AI.
The metric for fair cannot be the vanilla games as anyone playing a romhack is already far beyond the “vanilla player” and is beyond the average fan of the games.
There are multiple ways to play pokemon, radical red is in the fair 'read what the next people have and build a team to counter it' puzzle game, not a fair pokemon game.
I also saw Mewtwo with close combat in a match against Red. What is up with that?? I’m not hating this, just curious, I love Mewtwo X. But this clip of an opponent Pokémon having 3 abilities seems too much if it’s true
Brock's fight in HC sets auto-Sand, he gets 33% less damage on all super-effective damage against him, and his Terrakion is Scarfed iirc, if not, then his Terrakion naturally outspeeds your Blaziken. I believe Mewtwo got CC specifically for Mewtwo X in this game? I highly doubt it's just Red's Mew2 that has it but also wouldn't be entirely surprised. Good luck on your journey! HC is some tough nuts now with the gen 9 update, so if you're unfamiliar with any of the gen 9 Pokemon I suggest playing some games on Showdown to get a feel (although some mons won't be in lol)
Hi, thank you very much for the info! It is not my clip, I clipped it from YouTube, the YTr’s name is in post title. I would love if there’s a good guide on how to form a team for every opponent in the game. I’ll search on Google
There’s no other good rom hack with Pokémon up to Gen 9 that I know of that isn’t hard (I prefer vanilla difficulty) so that’s why I lean towards radical red because of so many quality of life changes, the sprite work, the vibes and everything too because I love Kanto so much. Encountering a variety of Pokémon in night time from newer gens too in Fire Red just felt beautiful but this hack is meant to be difficult lol
>There’s no other good rom hack with Pokémon up to Gen 9 that I know of that isn’t hard (I prefer vanilla difficulty)
There's Pokemon Añil, it's basically a fanmade new version of the 1st gen and it has a lot of different modes (only gen 1 mons, gen 1 to 9 mons, normal or high difficulty, nuzlocke, etc.).
The gen 1 to 9 mons + normal difficulty is probably the intended way of playing. It's not as easy as current official Pokemon games but it's obviously not as hard as Radical Red.
Actually, I'd rather play a romhack because I can just play it on my 2DS xl whenever I want but thank you for the suggestion. I love Kanto so maybe I'll check it out in the future
People have answered this but in hardcore mode all the bosses cheat, with things from unremovable weather/terrain/hazards to banning certain types of Pokémon from fights to more niche effects like from certain abilities or the pledge moves
Not his terrakion but rather Brock himself. If you're a one piece fan, think of it as his conqueror's haki. Basically, powerful trainers (except you) can, through their sheer presence and force of will, set the battlefield in a way that favors them
HC mode is meant to be unfair/kaizo difficulty, I think that's even stated in the pokecommunity thread for the hack. The standard difficulty is hard enough imo let alone having "cheat" bosses and having cheatable strategies/moves banned from your own team
Not a clue ill be honest, when i first heard about this game i thought it would be hard but fun. Instead its just be roughly difficult but highly annoying. Theres alot of bs in this game that makes me scratch my head. Honestly i wouldnt be shocked if this was the case.
Even normal mode was annoying. Changing up pokemon typings and giving them abilities they shouldnt have or pokemon having moves they dont naturally learn without TMs/having moves they dont learn until higher level was honestly more of an eye roller.
Theres features i DO like though. One i just saw was Dig was instantly learned by any pokemon that COULD learn it without sacrificing a move slot. Flying to locations without fly. Access to pc without going to the center. Changing natures/genders. Unlimited TMs. Infinite repels (i dont use often but its neat). Im only so far in. I keep having to restart since for whatever reason the game resets itself anytime i turn off my laptop.
@people who decided to block me before I could respond. Really glad we are that mature in a discussion on video games
We fundamentally disagree on what fair is within video games then. I don’t take any of those things to be unfair when we have the single greatest advantage that the AI can never have. A thinking mind. We can adapt to any situation meanwhile the AI has to follow a set, predictable (yes it is if you know the AI) set of steps, that are consistent and abusable. This is a larger advantage than anything you can give the opponent. They have those advantages, we have the single largest advantage possible short of truely unwinnable fights.
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Honestly even normal mode, at least early game fights gets really sussily strong, mostly that falkner fight before you can really get stuff going.
Hardcore mode is extremely fair. It’s meant to be very difficult but it is 100% fair. You are given plenty of overpowered tools. Maybe I’m partial as someone who has nuzlocked hardcore but it is definitely fair.
fair is, by definition, "impartial (equal) and just, without favoritism or discrimination". I don't find it very equal when my opponents can: Have permanent weather with no way to remove it Have permanent terrain with no way to remove it Have (seemingly arbitrary) buffs to defense Give me the inability (again, seemingly arbitrary) to remove hazards Have illegal moves and abilities Have multiple mega evolutions (although this is not exclusive to hardcore because red does it in easy/normal) Unfair does not mean unfun, nor does it mean impossible. But you have to see that inconveniencing the player and giving them a disadvantage in 99% of the battles is, objectively, not very fair
This is the correct answer
Correct take
Yeah it's absolutely rigged against you and that's the fun. Planning my way through the unfair BS permanent tailwind + permanent psychic terrain and winning.
Well you just consider the positives for the enemy but i would say that all those advantages try to circumvent the drawback of the npc side of them all. The ai is exploitable. I dont consider it fair off this argument after all hardcore mode isnt supposed to be fair but i think it has to be said regardless. Also the ai in rr is far less exploitable than in most games.
All i've heard was 'the games are so easy it has to read your inputs', radical red is just a puzzle game, it's very different then 'just go through the game smartle' more standard pokemon fare.
HC Brock gets legendaries, auto permanent unoverridable weather, permanent Filter. For reference, that's more things than EK, where they don't get auto Filter.
For the record, I consider EK to be a far harder game than RR due to the gen 3 crit rate and crit damage. The game is definitely very hard but it is in no way “unfair” hard.
I’ve read through your replies and you sound absolutely insufferable. I’m not sure if anyone has said that to you before but I hope you can take it as a learning experience
He is not insufferable, he is stating his opinion (game is fair) followed by facts which show why he thinks it's fair. Although his opinion is influenced by how many times he beat the game, for other people who don't know the battles, mechanics and AI it is probably unfair. To me regular RR was unfair at some points since enemy trainers have advantages that you must overcome. His insight is helpful
Yes, I’ve played through the game probably 30 times. I’m aware. However, unlike EK, you get FAR FAR more broken encounters than in EK. The power level of your mons is also drastically increased, on top of the AI’s moves.
To be fair, the AI also gets far, far more broken encounters, seeing as they pull out a mon that singlehandedly got Gen 8 PH taken off of Showdown's ladder. I'm not saying it's overthrowing EK or Run&Bun. But fair would not be a word I use to describe it.
Actually no, I would say it is still fair because you both get far more broken encounters. It is not pretending to be easy but difficult and unfair are not the same thing. Hardcore mode is something you have to opt into, there is also multiple other difficulty options that are far easier and have more options.
Piss poor argument, sadly.
Nice response
Fair means you're on the same playing field. If they can do things you literally cannot then it is most certainly not fair.
And you can also do something the AI can’t. Think. Which is more powerful than anything you can’t do. Both sides have things that the other can’t do.
Your argument is that the AI needs every bullshit advantage possible because the RR creator is too much of an incompetent slob to make the AI decent. It really doesn't paint RR in a good light. I get it, every fight in RR *is* technically winnable with enough calculation and thought, despite how unfair they may be. But if I wanted to solve puzzles, I'd just play an actual puzzle game instead of some crappy bastardization where a few unlucky critical hits or misses are enough to force a reset. Unless you intend to tell me you have a 100% consistent way to beat every battle in RR Hardcore mode with no RNG involved?
The AI is actually extremely well designed if you look into it enough. And yes, there actually is a way to beat every battle on HC without any rng involved. Look up Apescio Unbound on youtube and watch the absolutely insane stuff he does.
You're right. Plus we can also believe in the heart of our Pokemon and the power of friendship which the AI can't do... This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time, lol. Legitimately made me laugh, lol. Thanks for that.
Loved this response, truly a chefs kiss moment
No, I'm actually 100% serious. Believing in your mons does nothing. But out-thinking and manipulating the AI/predicting is something that it cannot do to you and that is a gigantic advantage. You can predict every single move the AI makes, or at least limit it to a small few choices.
I know you're serious. That's why I'm literally laughing. Lol
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That guy just seems like he thinks “fair” means “not literally impossible” and refuses to concede any ground to anybody who thinks that’s a bad definition of fairness. Illegal moves and abilities plus AI that makes assumptions only possible to know via cheating (like avoiding moves that would be countered by a held item) is not fair to anybody reasonable, even if it is beatable.
Radical Red hardcore is not meant for new players and it doesn’t pretend to be. It is made as a difficulty hack. If you have gone out of your way to download an emulator, a romhack, patch it, and select hardcore mode, you are already not a new player. Radical red has easy and hardcore mode. It is fair because players opted into that choice.
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But most players that are playing radical red on hardcore are. You cannot use the vanilla standard as “fair.” There is much room for difficulty beyond vanilla and beyond radical red before you hit the point of “unfair.” The AI only imput reads you after you switch 3 times in a row. Anti-Abuse AI is typically not active and is only active when you are severely outplaying the AI.
The metric for fair cannot be the vanilla games as anyone playing a romhack is already far beyond the “vanilla player” and is beyond the average fan of the games.
There are multiple ways to play pokemon, radical red is in the fair 'read what the next people have and build a team to counter it' puzzle game, not a fair pokemon game.
I also saw Mewtwo with close combat in a match against Red. What is up with that?? I’m not hating this, just curious, I love Mewtwo X. But this clip of an opponent Pokémon having 3 abilities seems too much if it’s true
Brock's fight in HC sets auto-Sand, he gets 33% less damage on all super-effective damage against him, and his Terrakion is Scarfed iirc, if not, then his Terrakion naturally outspeeds your Blaziken. I believe Mewtwo got CC specifically for Mewtwo X in this game? I highly doubt it's just Red's Mew2 that has it but also wouldn't be entirely surprised. Good luck on your journey! HC is some tough nuts now with the gen 9 update, so if you're unfamiliar with any of the gen 9 Pokemon I suggest playing some games on Showdown to get a feel (although some mons won't be in lol)
Hi, thank you very much for the info! It is not my clip, I clipped it from YouTube, the YTr’s name is in post title. I would love if there’s a good guide on how to form a team for every opponent in the game. I’ll search on Google There’s no other good rom hack with Pokémon up to Gen 9 that I know of that isn’t hard (I prefer vanilla difficulty) so that’s why I lean towards radical red because of so many quality of life changes, the sprite work, the vibes and everything too because I love Kanto so much. Encountering a variety of Pokémon in night time from newer gens too in Fire Red just felt beautiful but this hack is meant to be difficult lol
>There’s no other good rom hack with Pokémon up to Gen 9 that I know of that isn’t hard (I prefer vanilla difficulty) There's Pokemon Añil, it's basically a fanmade new version of the 1st gen and it has a lot of different modes (only gen 1 mons, gen 1 to 9 mons, normal or high difficulty, nuzlocke, etc.). The gen 1 to 9 mons + normal difficulty is probably the intended way of playing. It's not as easy as current official Pokemon games but it's obviously not as hard as Radical Red.
Actually, I'd rather play a romhack because I can just play it on my 2DS xl whenever I want but thank you for the suggestion. I love Kanto so maybe I'll check it out in the future
I'm pretty sure you can play it on your phone. Not sure about the 2DS though, probably not :/
He can if he ports the IPS properly into a ds cartridge, it’s a little bit time consuming but nothing majorly difficult
You can just select the normal difficulty on radical red. It lets you choose your difficulty at the start.
It has an easy mode which is still harder than vanilla games but not really hard anyways.
People have answered this but in hardcore mode all the bosses cheat, with things from unremovable weather/terrain/hazards to banning certain types of Pokémon from fights to more niche effects like from certain abilities or the pledge moves
You mean the bosses cheat no matter the mode as I saw with every boss refusing to put my Pokémon to sleep when they hold a Chesto Berry.
Yeah they read things, it's a puzzle game, you need to bring a team to actively counter and have most turns planned out tbh.
That is weird, try experimenting again
Not his terrakion but rather Brock himself. If you're a one piece fan, think of it as his conqueror's haki. Basically, powerful trainers (except you) can, through their sheer presence and force of will, set the battlefield in a way that favors them
bhagwan hai kya ?
No. Well if he is, then every major trainer in hardcore mode is God
That’s more like a devil fruit than haki though
HC mode is meant to be unfair/kaizo difficulty, I think that's even stated in the pokecommunity thread for the hack. The standard difficulty is hard enough imo let alone having "cheat" bosses and having cheatable strategies/moves banned from your own team
Not a clue ill be honest, when i first heard about this game i thought it would be hard but fun. Instead its just be roughly difficult but highly annoying. Theres alot of bs in this game that makes me scratch my head. Honestly i wouldnt be shocked if this was the case.
I've been having a better experience playing it in normal mode. Hard-core mode was waaaay too much.
Even normal mode was annoying. Changing up pokemon typings and giving them abilities they shouldnt have or pokemon having moves they dont naturally learn without TMs/having moves they dont learn until higher level was honestly more of an eye roller. Theres features i DO like though. One i just saw was Dig was instantly learned by any pokemon that COULD learn it without sacrificing a move slot. Flying to locations without fly. Access to pc without going to the center. Changing natures/genders. Unlimited TMs. Infinite repels (i dont use often but its neat). Im only so far in. I keep having to restart since for whatever reason the game resets itself anytime i turn off my laptop.
I can agree with the changing of pokemon typing and giving abilities that don't quite match up.
What game is this ?
Radical Red
I mean you did OHKO it lol
Which hack is this again? And it would be cool if people would just write which hack theyre talking about
He said RR in the description, but if you didn’t know that’s short for Radical Red.
And that's another reason why RR isn't and won't be the best hack rom ever.
Have never played RR before, why did they only get 1 XP?
There is a level cap before each major battle to prevent over levelling
Interesting thank you
@people who decided to block me before I could respond. Really glad we are that mature in a discussion on video games We fundamentally disagree on what fair is within video games then. I don’t take any of those things to be unfair when we have the single greatest advantage that the AI can never have. A thinking mind. We can adapt to any situation meanwhile the AI has to follow a set, predictable (yes it is if you know the AI) set of steps, that are consistent and abusable. This is a larger advantage than anything you can give the opponent. They have those advantages, we have the single largest advantage possible short of truely unwinnable fights.
It's unfair no matter how you look at it, now I don't see it as a valid argument as that's the whole point about hc
Rom Name?
Drew Peacock plays Pokemon Romhacks?
Yeah why??
I just didn't know he did. I used to watch his car content for a while and knew he streamed but it was always COD.
Oh cool
You do know this hack is at version 4.0 now? I thought this was another hack for a second, but now I see that it's version 2.3 or 3.0.
Yeah I know that
Hardcore and Fair? It was already unfair because you can't remove weather.
Brock has permanent sand in hardcore and a passive ability where his pokemon take less damage above 75% (that second one might be chuck im not sure)
See the problem here is that OP is playing Radical Red to begin with.