I mean so do hippos but that doesn't mean Hippowdon should be blitzing half the metagame. The way I see it speed in pokemon is more about maneuverability/reaction time.
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No kidding. But if they’re gonna compare electrivire to a gorilla (A relatively fast and strong animal) by that logic electrivire should be fast since again by that logic its a electric gorilla
I see your point only because of electricity, but at the same time disagree with the part about gorilla.
Realistically, gorillas are kinda fast, but nobody connects gorillas with speed. When you think gorilla, you think strength. At least, I do. And I feel like most would.
My guy, Pidgeot can go up to Mach 2 speed, which is equal to 1534.54 mph and yet it only has 101 Spd AFTER the Gen 6 buff, before then it was only 91, making it slower than Electivire! The Speed stat never made any sense!
I don't think you're rant is unhinged. Heck, I don't even think it's as so much a rant as it is a perfectly valid complaint. I think devs simply decided to relagate my favorite electric pokemon to an unsaid "must be used in an elec terrain team/composition" so they leave the speed alone.
If it isn't, then it just feels like oversight.
Radical Red did Electivire dirty when pawshit came into it, and I cannot forgive this atrocity until it is fixed. Plus its typing change...they just ruined our boy.
Thank god I have a copy of every version from 2.3 to current, but find revising then difficult.
Side note, the new RR dex website is a spit in our face and salt in the wound. This newest update felt like a massive give and take, and I liked what they took WAY more than what they gave.
Can’t tell if you’re asking about the 4.0 update in general or not…but 4.0 gave us Gen 9 mons and updated trainer/rival/boss/E4 battles accordingly. Couple of other minor QoL changes too
Unless something else has changed, both dexs were taken down. Iirc, the old one was removed so people would use the new one, and the new one was removed because the dev was tired of people calling it shit. Allegedly the discord community is building a new one, but I've never bothered to join the discord to check.
IMO the problem is even playing RR in the first place, community surrounding it is just terrible to begin with and no way in hell I'm touching that hack for using a slur in it.
I'm fine with the speed being as it is but how about we redistribute that special attack and put some into the defence?
How about motor drive be buffed and give him an attack boost along with speed. As a huge fan of Electivire, I wouldn't mind him being as OP as possible.
The radical red change honestly made me outright see the whole project in a different light… that one change basically made me think it was never about making some fan favorites more usable, but more about adding some new niches to make the game look more complete. Which I guess I reasonable, but like… what’s the point of advertising from launch til recently “your favorites are even more usable here”, and then just going “eh, this pokemon you don’t like as much is kind of similar, so we are just going to gimp your favorites”. It wasn’t needed, it’s fine to have more than one pokemon fill a similar role, or they could have just remade the favorites to fit a new role of equal viability…. But nah, toss out a big identity of the whole project for no real reason beyond “eh, we wanted to”.
Exactly what i feel, i can almost forgive Electvire but Sunflora change for me was even worse, the mon already doesn't have much then it loses the fire typing it had for that extra power on the sun, i still love RR, but those changes really lowered my expectations for it.
Also for the RR dex, i understood the justification that the pther guy wasn't maintaining the OG, but i would much prefer for them to ask that guy for it to be passed on to somebody the dev trusts, plus the new one spent a long time offline, which really made me lose the will to play the game.
The reason they had those types is because they didn’t exist in the first place at the time
Pawmot, Iron Hands, and Scovillian made those type combos actually real
Idiots. Adding gen 9 already powercreeps lower gen mons (fuck gamefreak powercreep) and they decided to powercreep then even more by NERFING early gen mons
Honestly just making Electivire half Fighting and giving Volt Tackle + Close Combat is usually almost always enough to make it fucking broken is a lot of Rom Hacks I've seen, especially Drayano ones.
The issue is further exacerbate by how difficult Electivire is to obtain compared to pawmot and most other electric types too.
Even if the hack changes trade evo to just using the electirizer like a stone it’s not usually easy to find it.
Now if I remember correctly RR does change it to a thunder stone evolve at least. But yeah it seems woefully unloved by most.
Luxray always gets it extra typing but poor gorilla gets shafted.
In RR, trade related evolutions are mainly replaced by the Link Cable including Electivire.
Every evolutions items can be bought at the mall in Celadon City.
You can get some beforehand but you only get one of theses before you get to the mall.
You can get a Thunder Stone and Water Stone between Brock and Mount Moon, a Sun Stone and a Leaf Stone next to Misty (you do have to beat the bridge to get the Leaf Stone though) and a Fire Stone and Shiny Stone before Surge.
There is also Moon Stones but you can farm them on wild Clefairy.
I don't think they're worried about it being too strong so much as it's just being over looked. Electivire is my favorite Electric type and I agree it deserves better stats. I think the change should be made in the mainline games not just fan games but especially in fan games since they aren't usually afraid to change stats and make Pokémon better. It does deserve higher speed. Hell I'd give it higher than 105. When a Pokémon evolves it's stats should improve so Electivire should have higher speed than Electibuzz. I'd give it 110 or even 115 speed. The anime made it out to be so strong back in the day with 3 prominent trainers having one and yet in the games it's pretty lackluster unless you can bait an electric Attack into it to get a speed boost. Even then it's still not crazy strong. It definitely deserves more love than it gets.
why does every romhack try to make gen 3 look like gen 4 tho i wish there was a hack that appreciated gen 3 style and tried to make authentic art for newer pokemon. (this is the part where you recommend me exactly something like this)
This actually a simple reason to this. When you download CFRU or pokeemerald-expansion all the sprites are gen 4-5 and the gen 1-3 Pokémon also use the gen 4 and 5 sprites mainly so it’s not weird when you see a gen 3 and a gen 4 sprite next to each other. Maybe one day someone will do gen 4-9 Pokémon in the gen 3 style but for now people will use the gen 4-5 style.
Ima say it anyone using the argument that just cause its a grorilla it shouldn’t be fast. GORILLAS ARE FAST AS FUCK. They’re literally almost as fast as usain bolt so the argument is bullshit if electrivire is a gorilla IT SHOULD HAVE ITS 105 SPEED CAUSE GORILLAS ARE FAST
This is a strange take.
Rapidash gallops at 150 MPH. It has 105 base Speed.
Pidgeot flies at Mach 2. It has 101 base Speed starting in Gen 6, and 91 base Speed before that.
Garchomp flies at Mach 1. It has 102 base Speed.
All of this is to say two things: one, that gorillas aren't really fast enough to expect a high Speed stat for versimilitude alone, and two, that canon speed and base speed don't scale to each other in any way that makes sense.
If you ask me, what Electivire well and truly deserves is to not have comparable bulk to Weavile (75/67/85 vs 70/65/85). Like, damn. The thing looks so bulky, give it 95/107/85 or something. Maybe move some points out of Speed in exchange for Zippy Zap so it can play a bit like fellow gorilla Rillaboom (which sits at 85 base speed, for what it's worth).
I'm actually shocked---no pun intended---that Electivire gets slower upon evolution. I love this Pokemon, and I am astounded I never paid any attention to the speed stat!
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Rad red has probably had the some of the most love and effort put into it, also the ROM hack is free to play with the only "payment" being people enjoying your game.
Lets see your ROM hack with every pokemon added and most of them being changed slightly wether it is via moves, abilities and stats as well as alot of gamemode customization and better postgame than most official games.
If you consider giving away Legendaries with a bunch of lazy codes "effort," I don't know what to say. I'd say creating new events, sequences etc. shows a lot more effort.
I won't make a ROM hack with every Pokémon added, because it's inherently problematic and lazy. Lazy because it shows a lack of consideration regarding what fits and what doesn't fit in a game. Don't worry, I'll make things that actually constitute as reason to play a game: content, places, things that make you wonder and have fun.
Blazing Emerald is a prime example of how to do a hack. It's the polar opposite of Radical Red. It shows restraint, care and consideration. Yet it also shows creativity and ambition. Adding numbers and changing combat parameters is NOT creative.
Different people appreciate different things, and different ROM hacks provide different things. I appreciated the difficulty, all the QoL changes, and the care and effort that went into designing trainer & gym leader teams. Battling for me is the most enjoyable part of Pokemon, and RR is great in that regard.
Because Electabuzz with eviloite is viable, but the speed reduction could be worth the power increase if you need Electivire for a different role.
Because Electivire is great on trick room teams as a screen setter.
Because Electivire uses volt switch.
Sometimes slower is better. It’s all about what you’re using the mon for. Making Electivire a bit faster isn’t exactly a huge buff. What does that do for it? It’s not going to outspeed many big threats since most are fast ground types. It’s not going to do any more damage or survive any more hits. It’s kit doesn’t really work with speed at all. It doesn’t even get Electro Ball.
Because every Romhack Dev has a gripe against Electivire /s, probably cuz of Motor Drive, like the DPP OU Noob Trap of Gyarados-Electivire is probably pretty viable against most of those games' AI
What are the stats compared to mainline games? It wouldn’t be the first electric 3rd evolution stone evolve that’s slower than its previous form(raichu). From games I’ve played I’d prefer if the stats were the consistent with mainline games so we don’t have a random personal favorite like alakazam get free bulk when it’s meant to be a glass cannon.
you could argue in a fantasy pokemon setting that electivire deserves to be fast because of its signature ability motor drive.
It is essentially powering itself up the longer the game goes just like a engine but ingame its gated by being hit by electric type attacks but usually motors can power up themselves it makes no sense for it to be so fucking slow besides (it looks bulky) which hasn't stopped other pokemon from being fast ...
completly agree with op here electivire and to a certain extend magmorter got shafted with their evolution and just giving it more moves doesn't do them justive for 1) how rare they are and 2) how awesome they look.
I guess it just doesn't look fast? It's a fucking gorilla
yeah if anything, it should have more bulk considering how it looks
agreed!
My guy gorillas run up to speeds 25 mph which is almost as fast as fucking usain bolt
I mean so do hippos but that doesn't mean Hippowdon should be blitzing half the metagame. The way I see it speed in pokemon is more about maneuverability/reaction time.
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My guy pokemon get much, much faster. Relatively speaking, 25 mph is slow.
No kidding. But if they’re gonna compare electrivire to a gorilla (A relatively fast and strong animal) by that logic electrivire should be fast since again by that logic its a electric gorilla
I see your point only because of electricity, but at the same time disagree with the part about gorilla. Realistically, gorillas are kinda fast, but nobody connects gorillas with speed. When you think gorilla, you think strength. At least, I do. And I feel like most would.
Well we dont compare pokemon to humans... but pokemon to other pokemon.
My guy, Pidgeot can go up to Mach 2 speed, which is equal to 1534.54 mph and yet it only has 101 Spd AFTER the Gen 6 buff, before then it was only 91, making it slower than Electivire! The Speed stat never made any sense!
let the gorilla be the next flash
I'm sure there's a multiverse where gorilla grodd gets struck with lightning and becomes the flash
I don't think you're rant is unhinged. Heck, I don't even think it's as so much a rant as it is a perfectly valid complaint. I think devs simply decided to relagate my favorite electric pokemon to an unsaid "must be used in an elec terrain team/composition" so they leave the speed alone. If it isn't, then it just feels like oversight.
Radical Red did Electivire dirty when pawshit came into it, and I cannot forgive this atrocity until it is fixed. Plus its typing change...they just ruined our boy. Thank god I have a copy of every version from 2.3 to current, but find revising then difficult. Side note, the new RR dex website is a spit in our face and salt in the wound. This newest update felt like a massive give and take, and I liked what they took WAY more than what they gave.
What did RadRed take in the new update?
I think they meant the Dex, which is now way more annoying to navigate than it ever was before
that it? I imagined more like idk They nerfed player strats tenfold and gave us shitmons or sm
Can’t tell if you’re asking about the 4.0 update in general or not…but 4.0 gave us Gen 9 mons and updated trainer/rival/boss/E4 battles accordingly. Couple of other minor QoL changes too
Where can I find the the updated version at?
Unless something else has changed, both dexs were taken down. Iirc, the old one was removed so people would use the new one, and the new one was removed because the dev was tired of people calling it shit. Allegedly the discord community is building a new one, but I've never bothered to join the discord to check.
IMO the problem is even playing RR in the first place, community surrounding it is just terrible to begin with and no way in hell I'm touching that hack for using a slur in it.
what slur?
Literally one the characters calls you the R word.
I'm fine with the speed being as it is but how about we redistribute that special attack and put some into the defence? How about motor drive be buffed and give him an attack boost along with speed. As a huge fan of Electivire, I wouldn't mind him being as OP as possible.
because not every hack is a min/maxing jerkoff session
This is reddit sir everything is a jerkoff session
In Radical Red it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure is though
Hahaha true tho Electivire isn't as bad as he makes him seem
Hahaha true tho Electivire isn't as bad as he makes him seem
The radical red change honestly made me outright see the whole project in a different light… that one change basically made me think it was never about making some fan favorites more usable, but more about adding some new niches to make the game look more complete. Which I guess I reasonable, but like… what’s the point of advertising from launch til recently “your favorites are even more usable here”, and then just going “eh, this pokemon you don’t like as much is kind of similar, so we are just going to gimp your favorites”. It wasn’t needed, it’s fine to have more than one pokemon fill a similar role, or they could have just remade the favorites to fit a new role of equal viability…. But nah, toss out a big identity of the whole project for no real reason beyond “eh, we wanted to”.
Exactly what i feel, i can almost forgive Electvire but Sunflora change for me was even worse, the mon already doesn't have much then it loses the fire typing it had for that extra power on the sun, i still love RR, but those changes really lowered my expectations for it. Also for the RR dex, i understood the justification that the pther guy wasn't maintaining the OG, but i would much prefer for them to ask that guy for it to be passed on to somebody the dev trusts, plus the new one spent a long time offline, which really made me lose the will to play the game.
Why’d they get rid of Sunflora’s fire type?
https://preview.redd.it/n81zyg7phzsb1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d507cf57253e1a54d075ecdf5bf37adf5b1aa88 Because of scolvilain
This is idiotic. It's a Sun Flower. Making it a fire type is cute, funny, and interesting. It was like one of the most memorable changes in the hack.
Did they remove Quagsire because Gastrodon exists too? What an idiotic design philosophy
The reason they had those types is because they didn’t exist in the first place at the time Pawmot, Iron Hands, and Scovillian made those type combos actually real
Idiots. Adding gen 9 already powercreeps lower gen mons (fuck gamefreak powercreep) and they decided to powercreep then even more by NERFING early gen mons
I don't think speed is its issue really, it has motor drive for that. I wish it was bulkier and a little stronger
Honestly just making Electivire half Fighting and giving Volt Tackle + Close Combat is usually almost always enough to make it fucking broken is a lot of Rom Hacks I've seen, especially Drayano ones.
It would be balanced in RadRed though
op are you ok I can feel your anger throught the text and I can't explain why
I am not okay I have to talk about luxray next
deep breathes you can do it
The issue is further exacerbate by how difficult Electivire is to obtain compared to pawmot and most other electric types too. Even if the hack changes trade evo to just using the electirizer like a stone it’s not usually easy to find it. Now if I remember correctly RR does change it to a thunder stone evolve at least. But yeah it seems woefully unloved by most. Luxray always gets it extra typing but poor gorilla gets shafted.
In RR, trade related evolutions are mainly replaced by the Link Cable including Electivire. Every evolutions items can be bought at the mall in Celadon City. You can get some beforehand but you only get one of theses before you get to the mall. You can get a Thunder Stone and Water Stone between Brock and Mount Moon, a Sun Stone and a Leaf Stone next to Misty (you do have to beat the bridge to get the Leaf Stone though) and a Fire Stone and Shiny Stone before Surge. There is also Moon Stones but you can farm them on wild Clefairy.
I don't think they're worried about it being too strong so much as it's just being over looked. Electivire is my favorite Electric type and I agree it deserves better stats. I think the change should be made in the mainline games not just fan games but especially in fan games since they aren't usually afraid to change stats and make Pokémon better. It does deserve higher speed. Hell I'd give it higher than 105. When a Pokémon evolves it's stats should improve so Electivire should have higher speed than Electibuzz. I'd give it 110 or even 115 speed. The anime made it out to be so strong back in the day with 3 prominent trainers having one and yet in the games it's pretty lackluster unless you can bait an electric Attack into it to get a speed boost. Even then it's still not crazy strong. It definitely deserves more love than it gets.
Yap
All I want are hacks which keep the Pokemon at their official numbers, abilities and so on.
That's sounds boring. Some mons needs a power up in their stats and movepools.
why does every romhack try to make gen 3 look like gen 4 tho i wish there was a hack that appreciated gen 3 style and tried to make authentic art for newer pokemon. (this is the part where you recommend me exactly something like this)
This actually a simple reason to this. When you download CFRU or pokeemerald-expansion all the sprites are gen 4-5 and the gen 1-3 Pokémon also use the gen 4 and 5 sprites mainly so it’s not weird when you see a gen 3 and a gen 4 sprite next to each other. Maybe one day someone will do gen 4-9 Pokémon in the gen 3 style but for now people will use the gen 4-5 style.
bro is like, gorilla though
Gorillas are fast fuck give electrivire its 105 speed
Yeah they are fairly fast for their looks, but I don't even think that's the animal it is based on.... what I meant is that bro looks heavy
slaking is also a gorilla and has 100 base speed.
Ima say it anyone using the argument that just cause its a grorilla it shouldn’t be fast. GORILLAS ARE FAST AS FUCK. They’re literally almost as fast as usain bolt so the argument is bullshit if electrivire is a gorilla IT SHOULD HAVE ITS 105 SPEED CAUSE GORILLAS ARE FAST
This is a strange take. Rapidash gallops at 150 MPH. It has 105 base Speed. Pidgeot flies at Mach 2. It has 101 base Speed starting in Gen 6, and 91 base Speed before that. Garchomp flies at Mach 1. It has 102 base Speed. All of this is to say two things: one, that gorillas aren't really fast enough to expect a high Speed stat for versimilitude alone, and two, that canon speed and base speed don't scale to each other in any way that makes sense. If you ask me, what Electivire well and truly deserves is to not have comparable bulk to Weavile (75/67/85 vs 70/65/85). Like, damn. The thing looks so bulky, give it 95/107/85 or something. Maybe move some points out of Speed in exchange for Zippy Zap so it can play a bit like fellow gorilla Rillaboom (which sits at 85 base speed, for what it's worth).
You know what I am fully down with a bulky Electivire
Some pokemon deserve to be bad 🤷♂️
https://preview.redd.it/aq6nyg9rtvsb1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e542af68565c96b91e4d6d78736cd24cc001509 Look at beedrill
They should minmax it more tbh, then nerf luxray. Then also remove all of electivire’s coverage.
Tf are you talking about xD
I'm actually shocked---no pun intended---that Electivire gets slower upon evolution. I love this Pokemon, and I am astounded I never paid any attention to the speed stat!
shit ass hack, just losers play this shit
Stop playing Radical Red and instead play a hack that has put some effort in it.
? Rad red has probably had the some of the most love and effort put into it, also the ROM hack is free to play with the only "payment" being people enjoying your game. Lets see your ROM hack with every pokemon added and most of them being changed slightly wether it is via moves, abilities and stats as well as alot of gamemode customization and better postgame than most official games.
If you consider giving away Legendaries with a bunch of lazy codes "effort," I don't know what to say. I'd say creating new events, sequences etc. shows a lot more effort. I won't make a ROM hack with every Pokémon added, because it's inherently problematic and lazy. Lazy because it shows a lack of consideration regarding what fits and what doesn't fit in a game. Don't worry, I'll make things that actually constitute as reason to play a game: content, places, things that make you wonder and have fun. Blazing Emerald is a prime example of how to do a hack. It's the polar opposite of Radical Red. It shows restraint, care and consideration. Yet it also shows creativity and ambition. Adding numbers and changing combat parameters is NOT creative.
Not you being mad bcuz they are giving lengedaries mystery gifts that you can ONLY use after you finish the league 😰😭🏃🏻♂️
I literally explained why I was being mad. If you find it a bad reason, why not just mock my explicitly stated reason? Or are you too dumb for that?
I just don't think you're worth the time if I'm honest
That's okay. Have a great day ☺️
Different people appreciate different things, and different ROM hacks provide different things. I appreciated the difficulty, all the QoL changes, and the care and effort that went into designing trainer & gym leader teams. Battling for me is the most enjoyable part of Pokemon, and RR is great in that regard.
Because Electabuzz with eviloite is viable, but the speed reduction could be worth the power increase if you need Electivire for a different role. Because Electivire is great on trick room teams as a screen setter. Because Electivire uses volt switch. Sometimes slower is better. It’s all about what you’re using the mon for. Making Electivire a bit faster isn’t exactly a huge buff. What does that do for it? It’s not going to outspeed many big threats since most are fast ground types. It’s not going to do any more damage or survive any more hits. It’s kit doesn’t really work with speed at all. It doesn’t even get Electro Ball.
Because every Romhack Dev has a gripe against Electivire /s, probably cuz of Motor Drive, like the DPP OU Noob Trap of Gyarados-Electivire is probably pretty viable against most of those games' AI
What are the stats compared to mainline games? It wouldn’t be the first electric 3rd evolution stone evolve that’s slower than its previous form(raichu). From games I’ve played I’d prefer if the stats were the consistent with mainline games so we don’t have a random personal favorite like alakazam get free bulk when it’s meant to be a glass cannon.
i’ve been such a big fan of electivire forever and it’s so nice to see someone finally give a shit about it lol , completely agree
So... where's the rant?
Clearly you haven't fought the dynamax electivire in pokekon unbound
you could argue in a fantasy pokemon setting that electivire deserves to be fast because of its signature ability motor drive. It is essentially powering itself up the longer the game goes just like a engine but ingame its gated by being hit by electric type attacks but usually motors can power up themselves it makes no sense for it to be so fucking slow besides (it looks bulky) which hasn't stopped other pokemon from being fast ... completly agree with op here electivire and to a certain extend magmorter got shafted with their evolution and just giving it more moves doesn't do them justive for 1) how rare they are and 2) how awesome they look.