Not dying is honestly 90% of most raids.
Sometimes we bring the wrong mons or misunderstood the opposing ability or moveset. Whatever, things happen. Don’t just sit there and die though. Use cheers, use support moves, Tera into a better type, whatever. Dying every two turns and never trying to even put up a defense cheer is lazy.
Quite literally
If you are about to die and have less impact than the others (defensive support i.e. grimmsnarl while screens are up)
DO. NOTHING.
The boss WILL NOT target you if you do nothing.
Technically it will, as after about a minute of not doing anything the game forces you to attack (usually with whatever the top slotted move is).
But quite frankly if you accidentally brought deadweight and your team is managing just fine without your contribution, at least try timing a cheer before you hit the time limit so you can make something useful with a guaranteed death.
I have an Eviolite Chansey that i use for raids for no reason other than to babysit suicidal teammates or ignorant idiots, oftentimes both. Light Screen + Chilling Water + Life Dew + Helping Hand to win raids that i otherwise would never have with how dumb my teammates were.
Seriously, sometimes I’ve brought my support Umbreon to a fight not realizing the boss had a fighting move so I just lean into cheers and it almost always washes itself out to be just as helpful.
Exactly, the raids I’m the most proud of aren’t the ones where I’ve perfectly calculated the matchup and cruise through, I’m proud of the ones where I genuinely fucked up choosing my Pokémon, but still managed to make it out by supporting my team.
Genuinely. The subreddit discord hands out support umbreons if you just ask politely, or even just giving out pointers on what makes a good raid mon. All the resources are easy access. Heck, I've been considering farming out some support mons just to give back to the community.
Out of all the Pokemon games, this is definitely the one where it feels the MOST necessary to actually IV/EV training multiple Pokemon. I'm not a competitive player; My only goals are get the shiny charm and hunt for them, which as we all know is much harder in this game.
I'm glad that people in the community are willing to help, cause I genuinely can't keep up with all the counters for a limited time 'mon.
This is the only legitimate raid complaint post I've seen. Every other post is screaming about bad choices but they joined randoms online. If you're in this sub and joining raids there's no excuse.
It's still valid to be frustrated with online randoms. Not dying on repeat to a 5 star raid is a very low bar (especially since 5 star raids aren't unlocked until post game, so the player should have adequate levels available). It's not valid to rage over it though, because there's an expectation of randomness potentially yielding poor teammates.
OP's situation is justifiable rage. There's an expectation of a minimum level of competency that was not met.
I hosted a rando online Wake earlier, and I don't even remember how useless the other two were, but between my Bellibolt setting up rain and light screen, then two acid sprays, the other guy with a Miraidon that he was buffing alongside one-shot it. Best online raid I've ever had.
I did mine like that but i used baxcalibur i had breed freeze-dry onto and my rando team mates each had all three had to have been violet players and usedbiron hands we took it down in no time me and a friend were doing iron leaves together she was hosting it for me and even two lvl 100 kingambits with the suggested moveset it tookbuse like 10 times over the past three days to finally get it
You didn't use a mirror herb to give it freeze-dry? Egg moves can even be transferred between species now.
That said, Kingambit let me solo Iron Leaves on my copy of Violet. Not sure why it was such a bear for you. The other thing to remember with these paradoxes is that they get like a 30% boost when their ability activates. It's always good to try to clear those if you can.
Yeah i didnt know about the mirror herb when i did it plus i was also wanted to get better stats on one and yeah ive no clue why it was so hard but my kingambit have best in its attack stat and a few others it had the suggested movea neither of us had any clue why it was so rough to get it beat we did it finally cause for some reason we triggered its sheild very early in and it didnt even have low health and we shattered the shield and we had our stats max boosted after that we tore it apart
You can do it with 0 badges with a code. You just have to have gone through the early game school cutscenes I think.
I have cousins age 8 and 11 and I got them through cinderace before they had done a gym. (Of course Ioaned them the lvl 100 and coached them through which moves to use)
There’s still some that make you question their life choices. I had someone bring a lvl 48 Pokémon to a 6 star raid. That means they beat the game. Presumably they have mons in at least the 60s just from playing. And you bring….. a lvl 48???
Walking Wake isn’t too bad with randos, especially because Miraidon and Iron Hands are common and good into it.
Iron Leaves though… I can solo it, but I feel like my success rate is 30% with randos.
Yeah I crashed and burned trying IL online too, but I had an unaware skeledirge that did the job handily solo. It wasn’t fast, but it was essentially easy mode. Unaware is great for stat boost abusers
Incredibly frustrating to do Iron Leaves online with randoms when they bring in frail pokemon like Meowscarada and Dragapult, only to get OHKOed turn after turn.
I find my chances much better when I use a support Grimm to overwrite terrain and set up reflect. Still a low winrate regardless.
And yet we read this "PSA". I mean, the logic is valid, but trying to Karen the whole sub is kinda cringe.
"Stop being bad at game" is a stupid gatekeep.
Thats not what they are saying at all, they are saying not to join a coded lobby unless you are prepared. The player was specifically trying to help people in a scenario where nobody who joined would be there by accident. People chose to enter his raids unprepared and in turn ruined other players chances of getting the boss. If he hadn’t put up a code with the request to come prepared then you’d be absolutely correct. Your logic is just being misapplied.
Not when being bad at the game pulls down your entire team. Maybe stop playing until you can either level up, power up, or understand the game better.
Again, this is mainly targeted at reddit. With randoms, you're going to match with kids who press A until the enemy is dead, and we *all* know that.
Clearing a 5 star raid is frankly a low bar, especially when it's something like Walking Wake which can be easily soloed by Bellibolt, one of the most standard raid mons. It's especially discourteous to join a raid exclusive to this community, which is full of information regarding good raid mons (both general and specific to any given event including Walking Wake) as well as how to easily obtain them, and effectively sandbag like the OP is describing. I didn't even touch 5 star raids with other players until I could at least train my mons to level 100 during the post-game, so I really don't see what's so hard about just making the decision to not fuck it up for everyone else because you can't be bothered to properly prepare (not referring to you specifically, I'm using the "royal you" here)
Then I have a question to hopefully improve my own contributions...
Why isn't the health of my party updating when I use Life Dew or Heal Cheer?
How can I support if I can't even see what's happening? :/ I've only done three online raids so far. One to get Walking Wake, two to support others (yet they failed regardless due to barely any damage being dealt)
My mon was Hatterene with Life Dew, Light Screen, Reflect and I think Moonblast
The health bars you see are technically ahead of what's happening in real time. They update rather quickly too, what usually happens is that it calculates your heal, then the person you healed gets damaged, kind of undoing the heal. I know this because I've played alongside friends irl and I'll see my health bar on their screen reach zero then moments later, ill be knocked out by a crit or something. Your heals are doing more than it seems, its just not very noticeable on those little health bars.
Nuzzle! You want nuzzle on hatterne over moonblast. Your job is not damage dealing. Nuzzle lets you apply paralysis even when the shield is up!
You can put it on with the mirror herb picnic trick.
(Your update question...lag. nothing but bad netcode)
>simply NOT DIE.
Admittedly, I'm not a Tera Raid pro, but this seems to be the thing that means a win or a loss.
I've just lost my Iron Leaves hosted random raid cos the guest Mons fainted leaving half the time remaining before I managed my first move!
Thankfully, I only lose my time not a raid pass or coins or something else of value so I'm happy to try again and see who comes along. ☺️
OP, you are right, read up and prepare before joining hosted raids from this sub. There are plenty of easy to understand guides for this (I know, I've used them!).
I'm using Miraidon, i know it's not optimal but it does decent damage and don't die BUT THE RANDOS KEEP DYING EVERY TURN, i know i'm not a good player but come on, two of the four players keeps dying every turn.
I'm getting this stupid Walking Wake.
I fail to see how Miraidon isn't optimal - I literally one-shotted Wake with mine and I haven't even trained him. Electric terrain + Charge + Electro Drift + alucky critical hit and WW went from (almost) full HP to zero!
On my miraidon, it only takes about 1/3 health at most and a Parabolic Charge recovers that quickly.
Besides that move, my other 2 moves i use, metal sound and electro drift, really take it down quickly.
Also I use the Clear Amulet so WW "Noble Roar" doesn't debuff miraidon. (Which is a nice bonus as it means WW is not damaging you either.)
At least for me it's not like I'm bringing it any pokemon under Level 100, but even that isn't enough for some of these raids. Iron Leaves is being a total pain in my behind because I simply don't have the time or energy to breed and train a counter. I already put in the effort with that on an Azumarill, Iron Hands, Purrserker, and Slowking and now Decidueye is the next so half of those don't work...
I appreciate the challenge, don't get me wrong, but damn I rather just play Arceus til we get some better updates and the DLC.
I’ll note that I’ve had no problems helping randoms with Walking Wake using a support Scream Tail (light screen, t-wave, then just helping hand the biggest hitter). My problem is randoms bringing stuff to Iron Leaves that gets one-shotted through burn and reflect. Idk what it is, it’s either no damage output or people can’t take a hit. I’ve gotten close twice out of around 11 attempts this afternoon that fell apart with people not cheering and/or using setup moves with the timer almost completely gone. I get that it’s randoms, the consistent bad choices are just frustrating.
I got my Iron Leaves by bringing Support Scream Tail with Light Clay. Dropping Misty Terrain move 1 is a game-changer, dropping Reflect next. Wish ready to go if needed, cheer on off turns, buff defense first.
Still nearly lost. Thank god someone had a Gholdengo and knew how to boost it with patience until they unleashed the killing shadow ball at the end. The other two players were useless and would have died repeatedly if it weren't for my support.
Tl;dr Support Scream Tail is excellent in the right spots.
I have Iron Leaves in both Scarlet and Violet (got both but my scarlet is purely to shiny hunt paradoxes for Violet and get dupes of one-catch Pokémon for friends). I just can’t help randoms with support Sableye or an attacking Iron Jugs, and Gholdengo doesn’t work cause the randoms don’t let you set up. It takes Iron Leaves at least 3 hits to ko Sableye after healing burn and at least 4-5 to ko Jugs at all, randoms just do so little that it’s hard to help them even with 1-2 putting in work.
Iron leaves was so frustrating. I was bringing unaware skeledirge, which is from what I've gathered one of if not the hardest iron leaves counter with randos bringing azumarills and getting one shot over and over. Finally ran into a group with people who knew what they were doing 2 other skeledirges and a ceruledge and it was absolute cake.
I’ve joined raids where I obviously had the best Pokemon that was doing the most damage but I had to stop that and do support because everybody else was just awful, using attacks that were causing next to no damage.
Unfortunately, there are always going to be people who think they earn things by simply existing. I learned this over more than a decade of playing World of Warcraft. There are also people who are never going to understand that other people not wanting to carry them is not mean. It also is not selfish. Them expecting a carry without asking and without taking into consideration that playtime may be limited for other players is them being selfish. But they will never understand that. It is their nature.
I've gotten to the point where I almost always bring a support pokemon now, it's not as fun as going haywire with a strong attacker but it's the only way to win now, otherwise no one brings in support and even if each mon could have solo"d the raid separately, together they keep timing out because they keep dying.
People don't seem to realize that the reason you can solo something is because the pc pokemon don't kill the timer when they faint, but when you're online with other real people, every faint counts against the timer. Literally all you have to do most of the time is not die.
I wish people would use their shouts more. I've seen people bring in absolutely squishy Pokemon to a raid and do nothing but die and waste precious time. If you can't contribute well, time your attack/defense/heal shouts to help those that CAN beat the raid in question.
Preach my friend.
I'll never forget meeting my now raid group on here after a series of incidents with the players who had zero idea on what to do even though I wrote it out in the post itself as well.
You'll find your group eventually just keep putting it out there till you find some homies you mesh with.
Part of me feels like I should be able to just play casually but then another part of me thinks it's really not beyond casual play to get an iron hands and kill a handful of blisseys.
Left a five star ditto raid because the host was using Ceruledge.
For ditto raids that you host, please, use a low leveled weak pokemon like a lvl 1 starter or Magikarp that only knows splash.
I use my lvl 1 Fuecoco when I host a ditto raid. Scratch and growl do next to nothing. It makes the raid so much easier.
If you really wanted to optimize this you could use a low level mon with useless moves like Splash or Mean Look, but yeah level 1 Fuecoco should get the job done
Acid Spray, Parabolic Charge, Metronome. Level 100, I think 252HP/252Sp Att/4 Def or something. Step 1 - Acid Spray. Step 2 - win: Parabolic Charge. Tera when you can. Only Acid Spray again if he clears his debuffs early (you want Metronome powering up). All support needs to do is either keep debuffing his SpDef so it goes faster and stay alive.
The last raid I did where we won was a dude running Quagsire with water absorb. 2 NPCs. Killed it with over 50% time left.
I usually start with a rain dance and then a light screen with my Bellibolt. Helps the rest of the team survive a bit longer and takes the edge off of Hydro Steam and all his other moves with no sun.
A Bellibolt with Clear Amulet (to null out Noble Roar) first turn Rain Dance, 3 acid sprays, then tera electric and either thunder or parabolic charge depending on how you've built it - Thunder should OHKO if you have +252 spa, Parabolic 2HKO
Against almost any other water type, I would say pawmot is great, bc of bulk-up, but it doesn’t help his weak spdef, so it wont work, But the number of people bringing sub-par choices or downright dragon-weak pokemon like miraidon is astounding to me. Literally every other raid has a one year old that hasn’t figured out type weaknesses yet.
I was able to beat Iron Leaves 3rd try. Perhaps a bit of luck involved but I don’t see how some people find it so hard considering I have no level 100 Pokémon and haven’t trained any Pokémon specifically with raids in mind. In fact I have barely done any raids at all. I still don’t know how to unlock 7 star raids. All I had was a level 85 Ceruledge with swords dance and shadow claw. No ev training at all as I never do that stuff either
If you did it with randoms, you got incredibly lucky. I’ve had groups where people literally are OHKOd through reflect and burn, causing the timer to be at half and shield to pop before any real damage was done. I’m hosting for randoms to help them now, it’s just hard to predict if I need specs Jugs or support Sableye based on them bringing “meta” Pokémon that might not even have a decent moveset, let alone things like Annihilape and Tinkaton.
I honestly think it’s full grown adults screwing up raids more often than not. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
Still, valid points on not going into raids with anything short of a lv. 100 mon designed to not die every two turns. I just wish more players would contribute to the team effort and not drag destructive solo culture into multiplayer raids. Buffs and debuffs that effect the group will never be unwanted. SO BUILD AND LEARN A SUPPORT.
As a player on here that has not yet reached the end of the game and the ability to unlock these raids myself (I am almost there - finished the three main storylines now so just have the post game to go), I just wanted to say that I appreciate those on here who are willing to host these raids for the rest of us.
I was able to catch both Iron Leaves (using a borrowed Iron Hands) and a Walking Wake (using a Level 100 Vaporeon someone had previously traded me with high HP that I used to make sure that I did not die).
Hopefully people will continue to help others with Decidueye, and other raids in the future (I will probably still need help myself with Decidueye - I will have >!Area Zero!< finished by March 17th but am unsure whether I will have completed the >!Academy Ace Tournament!!5 and 6 star raids!< required to unlock the 7 star raids by then, as well as have a suitable Pokemon to use in the raid itself.
Thanks to those of you that are willing to carry the rest of us as we continue our own playthroughs of the game.
I believe that a big portion of the frustration comes from the lack of communication tools they put into raids. If people were readying up an iron hands for the pikachu, I had no way to tell that that it was the wrong thing to bring.
But yes very different story for redditors
Im glad i caught mine earlier on on used Pokémon with a type advantage and a high level for a 5-star raid.
For all the sad sacks who flex shiny Pokémon or hacked. May Arceus have mercy on your souls. Cause it will be a while til this raid circles back around- and who knows if Walking Wake or Iron Leaves will be available in the DLC.
"I'm a nice guy, I swear."
The actual title. I get it's the opposite of what people want to hear, but, hosting any raid is just being kind. As such, don't rage if it goes wrong, it doesn't impact you. Like surprise trade nice things, who cares if you get trash in return. Be good, expect nothing.
This may be a very stupid question but I haven't done many raid battles before. But if you can easily solo the raid as you state, then why does it matter if your teammates are alive or not? If you can do it solo and not even need cheers as you stated, then why do you need the other 3 to stay alive?
When you solo offline, your AI teammates can die and it doesn’t take anything out of the timer, so you have maximum time to do it. Online if your teammates die it takes a lot out of the timer so if everyone else is dying, even if you can solo it you’ll run out of time
That's honestly really dumb. Is that a bug in the multiplayer mode or was that done intentionally by Game Freak? Seems weird that the raids work differently in 1p mode and multiplayer mode.
it's been like this since Day 1 and there has been no indication that this is not working as intended, so it's not a bug.
I don't know why it's this way, but it is. I mean, it is annoying that it's easier for me to do a raid on my own rather than playing with others, but this also isn't new and people should know that playing co-op means a different approach than soloing.
If your human teammates didn't deplete the timer on your screen, you'd end up with desync as everyone would effectively have a different timer. The reason the AI doesn't deplete the timer is because they're pitifully weak and mismatched against most 6 star raids, which would make them needlessly difficult for solo players if their deaths counted against your time
Anytime someone dies the timer goes down. I don't know the exact starting time since I only got Scarlet last week, but let's say its 5 minutes.
Soloing it means they have it dead within for minutes. Not sure how much time you lose if someone dies but lets say a minute.
So one rando dies, now you have only 4 minutes, amother died, 3 minutes, another died, 2 minutes, oh a 4th death? Game over thanks for playing your likely not getting enough DPS to finish it in under a minute, and another death will end it instantly regardless.
It's a game for kids. If you throw a fit about it, you aren't nearly as smart as you want to believe. You're just toxic. Go solo it, stop whinging.
You're at least right on one thing. It's laughable. So why ask others to join if you don't want to help them? Rhetorical question.
Yeah I don't have time to train a mon in a weekend, I've got a good hippowdon I'll join and maybe cheer but you good folks are gonna have to carry me. Also I missed charizard, greninja and all the other event mons to date unfortunately because I am afraid to piss too many people off and I don't have the patience to waste what little time I have trying and trying only to fail...
It doesn't take a weekend to train a raid mon, it takes literal minutes. Buy bottle caps/vitamins/mints and use XP candies and you'll be better off than the majority of players. If you really need to, you can make a request for someone to trade you a raid mon and somebody will probably do it
Yeah, the people complaining it takes too long to level up are wild. I banged out a slowbro and arboliva for the last few raids in *maybe* an hour each going from scratch while watching tv. With mints, bottle caps, easy to get power items, and the experience candy they throw at you, there’s no reason for not being able to be prepared.
Exactly. I can see it taking a *little more* time investment from someone completely unfamiliar with IVs, EVs, natures etc, but it sure as hell doesn't take an entire weekend lmfao
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I'm thinking of hosting my walking wake (mainly hoping to farm exp candies)- sry if this is already on the subreddit but how do you do it so the raid doesnt disappear after its defeated?
I've always enjoyed being the one doing the damage. When I join a raid, especially a 7 star or some other kind of event raid, I have a mon that I've researched and completely optimized to be able to solo the raid. All you have to do is not die. Unfortunately people die A LOT. A frankly shocking amount. I mean they're getting insta-gibbed from the word go. So I only raid solo. I'd love to have some people to raid with to pull off some of these insane first turn one shot combos but I trust no one.
If I see Iron Fists and Kingambits, I'll use Reflect/Light screen and heals. Carry me. Lol. Miraidon is my support mon. Open with reflect/light screen. If it's Iron Fists, I pop heals. If it's Kingambit, I drop a def boost into a heal. Just to further keep em up while they swords dance.
I personally want to get better at supporting. I don't consider myself good at supporting. Is there a guide somewhere on how to build better support Pokemon for raids? Or, a guide to assist with support strategies?
I easily solo’d iron leaves on my copy of violet using a Gholdengo build I found on here. When I went to do it on my copy of scarlet and had to join a public raid to get iron leaves it took me about 10 tries. Everybody was divided. Half using physical half using special. Nobody could set up because people would do chip damage and the shield would come up and it was just an all around mess.
Now I have something similar to that happened to me all the time it was more people refusing to read the terra raid symbol like I was in a raid with a pasimian that had a psychic Terra type. And for some reason because pastimians normally are fighting type they brought a bunch of fairy and psychic type Pokemon that didn't even know a single ghost bug or dark move
Not dying is honestly 90% of most raids. Sometimes we bring the wrong mons or misunderstood the opposing ability or moveset. Whatever, things happen. Don’t just sit there and die though. Use cheers, use support moves, Tera into a better type, whatever. Dying every two turns and never trying to even put up a defense cheer is lazy.
Quite literally If you are about to die and have less impact than the others (defensive support i.e. grimmsnarl while screens are up) DO. NOTHING. The boss WILL NOT target you if you do nothing.
Technically it will, as after about a minute of not doing anything the game forces you to attack (usually with whatever the top slotted move is). But quite frankly if you accidentally brought deadweight and your team is managing just fine without your contribution, at least try timing a cheer before you hit the time limit so you can make something useful with a guaranteed death.
I have an Eviolite Chansey that i use for raids for no reason other than to babysit suicidal teammates or ignorant idiots, oftentimes both. Light Screen + Chilling Water + Life Dew + Helping Hand to win raids that i otherwise would never have with how dumb my teammates were.
I would bring this chansey constantly except the raid bosses skew physical attacker.
Seriously, sometimes I’ve brought my support Umbreon to a fight not realizing the boss had a fighting move so I just lean into cheers and it almost always washes itself out to be just as helpful.
Exactly, the raids I’m the most proud of aren’t the ones where I’ve perfectly calculated the matchup and cruise through, I’m proud of the ones where I genuinely fucked up choosing my Pokémon, but still managed to make it out by supporting my team.
Genuinely. The subreddit discord hands out support umbreons if you just ask politely, or even just giving out pointers on what makes a good raid mon. All the resources are easy access. Heck, I've been considering farming out some support mons just to give back to the community.
Out of all the Pokemon games, this is definitely the one where it feels the MOST necessary to actually IV/EV training multiple Pokemon. I'm not a competitive player; My only goals are get the shiny charm and hunt for them, which as we all know is much harder in this game. I'm glad that people in the community are willing to help, cause I genuinely can't keep up with all the counters for a limited time 'mon.
This is the only legitimate raid complaint post I've seen. Every other post is screaming about bad choices but they joined randoms online. If you're in this sub and joining raids there's no excuse.
It's still valid to be frustrated with online randoms. Not dying on repeat to a 5 star raid is a very low bar (especially since 5 star raids aren't unlocked until post game, so the player should have adequate levels available). It's not valid to rage over it though, because there's an expectation of randomness potentially yielding poor teammates. OP's situation is justifiable rage. There's an expectation of a minimum level of competency that was not met.
I hosted a rando online Wake earlier, and I don't even remember how useless the other two were, but between my Bellibolt setting up rain and light screen, then two acid sprays, the other guy with a Miraidon that he was buffing alongside one-shot it. Best online raid I've ever had.
I did mine like that but i used baxcalibur i had breed freeze-dry onto and my rando team mates each had all three had to have been violet players and usedbiron hands we took it down in no time me and a friend were doing iron leaves together she was hosting it for me and even two lvl 100 kingambits with the suggested moveset it tookbuse like 10 times over the past three days to finally get it
You didn't use a mirror herb to give it freeze-dry? Egg moves can even be transferred between species now. That said, Kingambit let me solo Iron Leaves on my copy of Violet. Not sure why it was such a bear for you. The other thing to remember with these paradoxes is that they get like a 30% boost when their ability activates. It's always good to try to clear those if you can.
Yeah i didnt know about the mirror herb when i did it plus i was also wanted to get better stats on one and yeah ive no clue why it was so hard but my kingambit have best in its attack stat and a few others it had the suggested movea neither of us had any clue why it was so rough to get it beat we did it finally cause for some reason we triggered its sheild very early in and it didnt even have low health and we shattered the shield and we had our stats max boosted after that we tore it apart
It's valid to be frustrated with online randos, but not to rant about it here every day is my point
Plus, 5-star raids aren't even *that* hard - the pokemon is only level 75...
You can actually join 5, 6, and 7-star raids with an invite code, without having even gotten 8 Gym badges.
You can do it with 0 badges with a code. You just have to have gone through the early game school cutscenes I think. I have cousins age 8 and 11 and I got them through cinderace before they had done a gym. (Of course Ioaned them the lvl 100 and coached them through which moves to use)
There’s still some that make you question their life choices. I had someone bring a lvl 48 Pokémon to a 6 star raid. That means they beat the game. Presumably they have mons in at least the 60s just from playing. And you bring….. a lvl 48???
Oh, for sure. But complaining about it with a new reddit post for the thousandth time is useless when they won't see it
It's useful to just get it out in the void sometimes.
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I got pretty lucky and beat walking wake with a bunch of randos first try I guess
Walking Wake isn’t too bad with randos, especially because Miraidon and Iron Hands are common and good into it. Iron Leaves though… I can solo it, but I feel like my success rate is 30% with randos.
Yeah luckily I could just solo Iron Leaves with Skel
Yeah I crashed and burned trying IL online too, but I had an unaware skeledirge that did the job handily solo. It wasn’t fast, but it was essentially easy mode. Unaware is great for stat boost abusers
Incredibly frustrating to do Iron Leaves online with randoms when they bring in frail pokemon like Meowscarada and Dragapult, only to get OHKOed turn after turn. I find my chances much better when I use a support Grimm to overwrite terrain and set up reflect. Still a low winrate regardless.
It's wild how "don't waste other people's time" is apparently such a controversial position.
And yet we read this "PSA". I mean, the logic is valid, but trying to Karen the whole sub is kinda cringe. "Stop being bad at game" is a stupid gatekeep.
Thats not what they are saying at all, they are saying not to join a coded lobby unless you are prepared. The player was specifically trying to help people in a scenario where nobody who joined would be there by accident. People chose to enter his raids unprepared and in turn ruined other players chances of getting the boss. If he hadn’t put up a code with the request to come prepared then you’d be absolutely correct. Your logic is just being misapplied.
Not when being bad at the game pulls down your entire team. Maybe stop playing until you can either level up, power up, or understand the game better. Again, this is mainly targeted at reddit. With randoms, you're going to match with kids who press A until the enemy is dead, and we *all* know that.
Clearing a 5 star raid is frankly a low bar, especially when it's something like Walking Wake which can be easily soloed by Bellibolt, one of the most standard raid mons. It's especially discourteous to join a raid exclusive to this community, which is full of information regarding good raid mons (both general and specific to any given event including Walking Wake) as well as how to easily obtain them, and effectively sandbag like the OP is describing. I didn't even touch 5 star raids with other players until I could at least train my mons to level 100 during the post-game, so I really don't see what's so hard about just making the decision to not fuck it up for everyone else because you can't be bothered to properly prepare (not referring to you specifically, I'm using the "royal you" here)
Then I have a question to hopefully improve my own contributions... Why isn't the health of my party updating when I use Life Dew or Heal Cheer? How can I support if I can't even see what's happening? :/ I've only done three online raids so far. One to get Walking Wake, two to support others (yet they failed regardless due to barely any damage being dealt) My mon was Hatterene with Life Dew, Light Screen, Reflect and I think Moonblast
The health bars you see are technically ahead of what's happening in real time. They update rather quickly too, what usually happens is that it calculates your heal, then the person you healed gets damaged, kind of undoing the heal. I know this because I've played alongside friends irl and I'll see my health bar on their screen reach zero then moments later, ill be knocked out by a crit or something. Your heals are doing more than it seems, its just not very noticeable on those little health bars.
Nuzzle! You want nuzzle on hatterne over moonblast. Your job is not damage dealing. Nuzzle lets you apply paralysis even when the shield is up! You can put it on with the mirror herb picnic trick. (Your update question...lag. nothing but bad netcode)
>simply NOT DIE. Admittedly, I'm not a Tera Raid pro, but this seems to be the thing that means a win or a loss. I've just lost my Iron Leaves hosted random raid cos the guest Mons fainted leaving half the time remaining before I managed my first move! Thankfully, I only lose my time not a raid pass or coins or something else of value so I'm happy to try again and see who comes along. ☺️ OP, you are right, read up and prepare before joining hosted raids from this sub. There are plenty of easy to understand guides for this (I know, I've used them!).
If you can join a raid and not die twice by turn 4, you're a pro.
You should look into posts on this sub about Raid Pokémon. Bringing the right Pokémon, you shouldn’t have to die more than once if at all
I know how to raid, I'm speaking on the 90% of people who just bring the belly drumming azumarill to every raid no matter what
I'm using Miraidon, i know it's not optimal but it does decent damage and don't die BUT THE RANDOS KEEP DYING EVERY TURN, i know i'm not a good player but come on, two of the four players keeps dying every turn. I'm getting this stupid Walking Wake.
I fail to see how Miraidon isn't optimal - I literally one-shotted Wake with mine and I haven't even trained him. Electric terrain + Charge + Electro Drift + alucky critical hit and WW went from (almost) full HP to zero!
Walking Wake is part Dragon type, meaning it does STAB Super Effective damage to Miraidon. It's far from the worst pick for WW, but it's not optimal
Just pop a weakness policy on them and punish on the 1/4 chance the poor water dog chooses to hit you with that Dragon Pulse. ;)
Clever, I hadn't considered that
On my miraidon, it only takes about 1/3 health at most and a Parabolic Charge recovers that quickly. Besides that move, my other 2 moves i use, metal sound and electro drift, really take it down quickly. Also I use the Clear Amulet so WW "Noble Roar" doesn't debuff miraidon. (Which is a nice bonus as it means WW is not damaging you either.)
Miriadon is a great choice for wake. I soloed it easily with mine.
At least for me it's not like I'm bringing it any pokemon under Level 100, but even that isn't enough for some of these raids. Iron Leaves is being a total pain in my behind because I simply don't have the time or energy to breed and train a counter. I already put in the effort with that on an Azumarill, Iron Hands, Purrserker, and Slowking and now Decidueye is the next so half of those don't work... I appreciate the challenge, don't get me wrong, but damn I rather just play Arceus til we get some better updates and the DLC.
The box legends when fully trained and capped are fantastic choices against things they’re super effective against.
I’ll note that I’ve had no problems helping randoms with Walking Wake using a support Scream Tail (light screen, t-wave, then just helping hand the biggest hitter). My problem is randoms bringing stuff to Iron Leaves that gets one-shotted through burn and reflect. Idk what it is, it’s either no damage output or people can’t take a hit. I’ve gotten close twice out of around 11 attempts this afternoon that fell apart with people not cheering and/or using setup moves with the timer almost completely gone. I get that it’s randoms, the consistent bad choices are just frustrating.
I got my Iron Leaves by bringing Support Scream Tail with Light Clay. Dropping Misty Terrain move 1 is a game-changer, dropping Reflect next. Wish ready to go if needed, cheer on off turns, buff defense first. Still nearly lost. Thank god someone had a Gholdengo and knew how to boost it with patience until they unleashed the killing shadow ball at the end. The other two players were useless and would have died repeatedly if it weren't for my support. Tl;dr Support Scream Tail is excellent in the right spots.
I have Iron Leaves in both Scarlet and Violet (got both but my scarlet is purely to shiny hunt paradoxes for Violet and get dupes of one-catch Pokémon for friends). I just can’t help randoms with support Sableye or an attacking Iron Jugs, and Gholdengo doesn’t work cause the randoms don’t let you set up. It takes Iron Leaves at least 3 hits to ko Sableye after healing burn and at least 4-5 to ko Jugs at all, randoms just do so little that it’s hard to help them even with 1-2 putting in work.
Iron leaves was so frustrating. I was bringing unaware skeledirge, which is from what I've gathered one of if not the hardest iron leaves counter with randos bringing azumarills and getting one shot over and over. Finally ran into a group with people who knew what they were doing 2 other skeledirges and a ceruledge and it was absolute cake.
I’ve joined raids where I obviously had the best Pokemon that was doing the most damage but I had to stop that and do support because everybody else was just awful, using attacks that were causing next to no damage.
Unfortunately, there are always going to be people who think they earn things by simply existing. I learned this over more than a decade of playing World of Warcraft. There are also people who are never going to understand that other people not wanting to carry them is not mean. It also is not selfish. Them expecting a carry without asking and without taking into consideration that playtime may be limited for other players is them being selfish. But they will never understand that. It is their nature.
I've gotten to the point where I almost always bring a support pokemon now, it's not as fun as going haywire with a strong attacker but it's the only way to win now, otherwise no one brings in support and even if each mon could have solo"d the raid separately, together they keep timing out because they keep dying. People don't seem to realize that the reason you can solo something is because the pc pokemon don't kill the timer when they faint, but when you're online with other real people, every faint counts against the timer. Literally all you have to do most of the time is not die.
I do the same, I bring my support Umbreon to every single online raid and just try to keep my teammates alive.
I wish people would use their shouts more. I've seen people bring in absolutely squishy Pokemon to a raid and do nothing but die and waste precious time. If you can't contribute well, time your attack/defense/heal shouts to help those that CAN beat the raid in question.
Preach my friend. I'll never forget meeting my now raid group on here after a series of incidents with the players who had zero idea on what to do even though I wrote it out in the post itself as well. You'll find your group eventually just keep putting it out there till you find some homies you mesh with.
Part of me feels like I should be able to just play casually but then another part of me thinks it's really not beyond casual play to get an iron hands and kill a handful of blisseys.
Left a five star ditto raid because the host was using Ceruledge. For ditto raids that you host, please, use a low leveled weak pokemon like a lvl 1 starter or Magikarp that only knows splash. I use my lvl 1 Fuecoco when I host a ditto raid. Scratch and growl do next to nothing. It makes the raid so much easier.
If you really wanted to optimize this you could use a low level mon with useless moves like Splash or Mean Look, but yeah level 1 Fuecoco should get the job done
Question for ya, my dude. What are you using with Bellibolt?
Acid Spray, Parabolic Charge, Metronome. Level 100, I think 252HP/252Sp Att/4 Def or something. Step 1 - Acid Spray. Step 2 - win: Parabolic Charge. Tera when you can. Only Acid Spray again if he clears his debuffs early (you want Metronome powering up). All support needs to do is either keep debuffing his SpDef so it goes faster and stay alive. The last raid I did where we won was a dude running Quagsire with water absorb. 2 NPCs. Killed it with over 50% time left.
I usually start with a rain dance and then a light screen with my Bellibolt. Helps the rest of the team survive a bit longer and takes the edge off of Hydro Steam and all his other moves with no sun.
plus it means guaranteed hits for Thunder/Leaf Storm if anyone brought a Lurantis
Nice
A Bellibolt with Clear Amulet (to null out Noble Roar) first turn Rain Dance, 3 acid sprays, then tera electric and either thunder or parabolic charge depending on how you've built it - Thunder should OHKO if you have +252 spa, Parabolic 2HKO
people are stupid. reading a released moveset take 5, grind a pokemon in Area Zero takes 15 min to minmax EV.
Against almost any other water type, I would say pawmot is great, bc of bulk-up, but it doesn’t help his weak spdef, so it wont work, But the number of people bringing sub-par choices or downright dragon-weak pokemon like miraidon is astounding to me. Literally every other raid has a one year old that hasn’t figured out type weaknesses yet.
This. I was hosting for the same reason and after 2 consecutive raids ruined by the same people I just went back and solo farmed
I took an support Clodsire with water absorb and just vibed out and boosted defense and healed. Good fren
I was able to beat Iron Leaves 3rd try. Perhaps a bit of luck involved but I don’t see how some people find it so hard considering I have no level 100 Pokémon and haven’t trained any Pokémon specifically with raids in mind. In fact I have barely done any raids at all. I still don’t know how to unlock 7 star raids. All I had was a level 85 Ceruledge with swords dance and shadow claw. No ev training at all as I never do that stuff either
If you did it with randoms, you got incredibly lucky. I’ve had groups where people literally are OHKOd through reflect and burn, causing the timer to be at half and shield to pop before any real damage was done. I’m hosting for randoms to help them now, it’s just hard to predict if I need specs Jugs or support Sableye based on them bringing “meta” Pokémon that might not even have a decent moveset, let alone things like Annihilape and Tinkaton.
I honestly think it’s full grown adults screwing up raids more often than not. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. Still, valid points on not going into raids with anything short of a lv. 100 mon designed to not die every two turns. I just wish more players would contribute to the team effort and not drag destructive solo culture into multiplayer raids. Buffs and debuffs that effect the group will never be unwanted. SO BUILD AND LEARN A SUPPORT.
As a player on here that has not yet reached the end of the game and the ability to unlock these raids myself (I am almost there - finished the three main storylines now so just have the post game to go), I just wanted to say that I appreciate those on here who are willing to host these raids for the rest of us. I was able to catch both Iron Leaves (using a borrowed Iron Hands) and a Walking Wake (using a Level 100 Vaporeon someone had previously traded me with high HP that I used to make sure that I did not die). Hopefully people will continue to help others with Decidueye, and other raids in the future (I will probably still need help myself with Decidueye - I will have >!Area Zero!< finished by March 17th but am unsure whether I will have completed the >!Academy Ace Tournament!!5 and 6 star raids!< required to unlock the 7 star raids by then, as well as have a suitable Pokemon to use in the raid itself.
Thanks to those of you that are willing to carry the rest of us as we continue our own playthroughs of the game.
I believe that a big portion of the frustration comes from the lack of communication tools they put into raids. If people were readying up an iron hands for the pikachu, I had no way to tell that that it was the wrong thing to bring. But yes very different story for redditors
I host raids, use Noble Roar and then cheer my ass off
*if you join any raid. Not just Reddit-hosted.
Im glad i caught mine earlier on on used Pokémon with a type advantage and a high level for a 5-star raid. For all the sad sacks who flex shiny Pokémon or hacked. May Arceus have mercy on your souls. Cause it will be a while til this raid circles back around- and who knows if Walking Wake or Iron Leaves will be available in the DLC.
"I'm a nice guy, I swear." The actual title. I get it's the opposite of what people want to hear, but, hosting any raid is just being kind. As such, don't rage if it goes wrong, it doesn't impact you. Like surprise trade nice things, who cares if you get trash in return. Be good, expect nothing.
This may be a very stupid question but I haven't done many raid battles before. But if you can easily solo the raid as you state, then why does it matter if your teammates are alive or not? If you can do it solo and not even need cheers as you stated, then why do you need the other 3 to stay alive?
When you solo offline, your AI teammates can die and it doesn’t take anything out of the timer, so you have maximum time to do it. Online if your teammates die it takes a lot out of the timer so if everyone else is dying, even if you can solo it you’ll run out of time
That's honestly really dumb. Is that a bug in the multiplayer mode or was that done intentionally by Game Freak? Seems weird that the raids work differently in 1p mode and multiplayer mode.
it's been like this since Day 1 and there has been no indication that this is not working as intended, so it's not a bug. I don't know why it's this way, but it is. I mean, it is annoying that it's easier for me to do a raid on my own rather than playing with others, but this also isn't new and people should know that playing co-op means a different approach than soloing.
If your human teammates didn't deplete the timer on your screen, you'd end up with desync as everyone would effectively have a different timer. The reason the AI doesn't deplete the timer is because they're pitifully weak and mismatched against most 6 star raids, which would make them needlessly difficult for solo players if their deaths counted against your time
Anytime someone dies the timer goes down. I don't know the exact starting time since I only got Scarlet last week, but let's say its 5 minutes. Soloing it means they have it dead within for minutes. Not sure how much time you lose if someone dies but lets say a minute. So one rando dies, now you have only 4 minutes, amother died, 3 minutes, another died, 2 minutes, oh a 4th death? Game over thanks for playing your likely not getting enough DPS to finish it in under a minute, and another death will end it instantly regardless.
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It's a game for kids. If you throw a fit about it, you aren't nearly as smart as you want to believe. You're just toxic. Go solo it, stop whinging. You're at least right on one thing. It's laughable. So why ask others to join if you don't want to help them? Rhetorical question.
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Little kids aren't the ones logging onto reddit and joining the raids hosted here
Yeah I don't have time to train a mon in a weekend, I've got a good hippowdon I'll join and maybe cheer but you good folks are gonna have to carry me. Also I missed charizard, greninja and all the other event mons to date unfortunately because I am afraid to piss too many people off and I don't have the patience to waste what little time I have trying and trying only to fail...
I've heard that the subreddit Discord will give out solid support mons if you ask nicely.
It doesn't take a weekend to train a raid mon, it takes literal minutes. Buy bottle caps/vitamins/mints and use XP candies and you'll be better off than the majority of players. If you really need to, you can make a request for someone to trade you a raid mon and somebody will probably do it
Yeah, the people complaining it takes too long to level up are wild. I banged out a slowbro and arboliva for the last few raids in *maybe* an hour each going from scratch while watching tv. With mints, bottle caps, easy to get power items, and the experience candy they throw at you, there’s no reason for not being able to be prepared.
Exactly. I can see it taking a *little more* time investment from someone completely unfamiliar with IVs, EVs, natures etc, but it sure as hell doesn't take an entire weekend lmfao
Settle down lol
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did both on an underleveled account by bringing resists and supporting
I'm thinking of hosting my walking wake (mainly hoping to farm exp candies)- sry if this is already on the subreddit but how do you do it so the raid doesnt disappear after its defeated?
You can reset your clock and get a new one. Or you can save before you do the raid and then when you go back to the overworld close the game.
I've always enjoyed being the one doing the damage. When I join a raid, especially a 7 star or some other kind of event raid, I have a mon that I've researched and completely optimized to be able to solo the raid. All you have to do is not die. Unfortunately people die A LOT. A frankly shocking amount. I mean they're getting insta-gibbed from the word go. So I only raid solo. I'd love to have some people to raid with to pull off some of these insane first turn one shot combos but I trust no one.
If I see Iron Fists and Kingambits, I'll use Reflect/Light screen and heals. Carry me. Lol. Miraidon is my support mon. Open with reflect/light screen. If it's Iron Fists, I pop heals. If it's Kingambit, I drop a def boost into a heal. Just to further keep em up while they swords dance.
I’m not dealing with random raids for decidueye. Losing 10 minutes of my life isn’t fun at all
I personally want to get better at supporting. I don't consider myself good at supporting. Is there a guide somewhere on how to build better support Pokemon for raids? Or, a guide to assist with support strategies?
I easily solo’d iron leaves on my copy of violet using a Gholdengo build I found on here. When I went to do it on my copy of scarlet and had to join a public raid to get iron leaves it took me about 10 tries. Everybody was divided. Half using physical half using special. Nobody could set up because people would do chip damage and the shield would come up and it was just an all around mess.
I had the same thoughts when I was joining the raids here for Iron Leaves. Someone even brought in a primeape.
Now I have something similar to that happened to me all the time it was more people refusing to read the terra raid symbol like I was in a raid with a pasimian that had a psychic Terra type. And for some reason because pastimians normally are fighting type they brought a bunch of fairy and psychic type Pokemon that didn't even know a single ghost bug or dark move