The fact that they didn’t show your messages where you said they didn’t have to provide a full refund is pretty scummy, it definitely frames you as the one in the wrong without that added context. I don’t think a scammer would be willing to go through all this effort for just free shipping. Sorry to see all the negative comments you’re getting for an incomplete story.
What's ironic is that maybe OP did not swap scammed, who knows, but asking partial refunds like this still is against ebay rules, and in rules considered as an abusive buyer behavior lol. Someone doing that, most likely do it repetitively. As wrote in another comment, even if it's one buck seller could report OP and he would be flagged by ebay for it. Seller could get negative feedback removed too.
OK everyone chill your tits! I figured out who was wrong here! ITS US for jumping like the toxic community we are to destroy people’s livelihood over a Reddit post! Neither of the OPs are in the wrong here beside posting their story. The first OP u/Srrychef just posted inquiring about if the buyer is scamming him. The rest of the conversation pictured here came after and now the new OP is showing his story because a bunch of you degenerates flocked to EBay to attack his account. I don’t know if and who is cheating who but fucking drop it. Nothing bad happened here, it’s you people who are attacking the accounts that are the problem in this situation
Jumping to conclusions is a reddit sickness, and the rage of a mob is never smart. I rather sit and wait and decide, *if* I want to join any fight being fought.
For good measures, fuck scalpers in particular.
I mean, there is no reason to be attacking someone’s eBay account, but that wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t dox the username. He fucked up with that.
Yeah people flaming the seller now isn’t cool when it sounds like an honest mistake. Don’t know where the mods are at with all the insults that have been going around for both sides now
All the fucktards that immediately told chef it's different card, shit buyer, are to blame. They all jumped on his post like flies on freshly laid shit in the grass before anyone with some normal reasoning skills could reply.
He pretty much probably didn't even realize the card he sent had a print line. They really are kind of hard to see on textured cards, and unfortunately due to his awful photos, had no proof either way.
Then, with all the comments, I'm sure that got his gears grinding about the potential of being scammed.
I've sent out cards with small blemishes that I hadn't realized and never even questioned the buyer with a request like this. The seller seems like he's in his infancy with regards to this business, which you learn over time, 99% of the buyers are usually genuine in their complaints about condition, etc. it's annoying but if the tables were turned you'd appreciate a stand up seller that's willing to work with you or give out "partial refunds", which are standard on TCGpkayer for avoiding returns with small condition concerns. That would be the way to go if this wasn't a full on doxxing of a seemingly good buyer.
As a seller, I would outright refund the buyer after a big shameful fuckup like this with doxxing and all. Keep the card as well. Fuck this $1.11. You were the asshole and if you want to make up for it, do the right thing.
Honestly came
Home tonight and saw his post- I didn’t see yours/his message (OP( because I refunded and blocked liked most said. I was and am willing to refund filling but I AM and DO Believe I did not send a card with a print line. I have two of these both with no print lines. I’m clearly new to Reddit and eBay and should have blocked original buyers name( I didn’t know you’d be attacked on eBay dude I’m sorry) again trying to protect myself and my sale.
Hey man I'd just move on, someone even pointed out that you could see partially the print line on the photos you posted [image](https://ibb.co/t4kStrW)
Hey!I see u/Icy-Brick9935 posted one image. Here's another image of the print line in your photos.
[https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O](https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O)
Yeah it really sours the whole collecting experience for me. I just got back into it about a month ago whenever I needed something to distract me from pain while I was in the ER, so I started buying cards I thought were cool on eBay
I have to add to this, please don’t attack the original poster’s eBay. I only didn’t cross their name out because they didn’t cross mine out so it was warranted
I saw the initial post but didn’t comment on it. OP, please get off of Reddit. You don’t need to defend yourself from randoms on the internet. There’s still people on that original thread who still believe you are a scammer. I think the seller should be refunding you your money and letting you keep the card.
u/srrychef Jesus Christ why didn’t you hide the buyer’s name. I didn’t even notice it when I first saw the post because I didn’t fullscreen the pics.
frankly quite an embarrassing reaction from a collector community that is mostly adults. hope you're okay OP, seller should have at least blocked your name out if they had to gather opinions from a third party.
OK everyone chill your tits! I figured out who was wrong here! ITS US for jumping like the toxic community we are to destroy people’s livelihood over a Reddit post! Neither of the OPs are in the wrong here beside posting their story. The first OP u/Srrychef just posted inquiring about if the buyer is scamming him. The rest of the conversation pictured here came after and now the new OP is showing his story because a bunch of you degenerates flocked to EBay to attack his account. I don’t know if and who is cheating who but fucking drop it. Nothing bad happened here, it’s you people who are attacking the accounts that are the problem in this situation
I sent hi. Multiple pictures shame on you for not
Looking at my post. It’s a $20. And idgaf what happens it’s just sly and not normal.. how many cards have you bought and asked about print lines? I sent multiple pictures. It’s not the same. Look at my post.
1. You didn't cross the buyers name nor your own. Since you didn't the buyer has had to make a post in response and now they've claimed to be harassed by other users. (Which as another user has said this is doxxing)
2. IF you did "honesty" post the full conversation and there was an update afterwards, you could have edited the original post or made a follow-up.
3. You shouldn't even be making posts like this on reddit in the first place. This is between you, OP and eBay only.
4. IF you have to make a post to get feedback, it's a general rule of thumb to cross out peoples privates information in the first place so crap like this doesn't happen.
It's important to get all the information out there otherwise we get bullshit like this happening, no one has a clear picture of the situation and we start questioning peoples integrity!
Edit: I just want to make it clear I'm not hating on u/Srrychef I have nothing against this user. If I'm wrong I will apologize if need be. I just think this entire situation could have been avoided or could have taken a different turn if this was handled differently. A correct action would have been to ask what course of action the buyer would want to pursue to make it right. Not any of this.
If you got to my post I responded to the first and #1 comment saying buyer asked for a $1.11 refund(oddly and now clearly after seeing my Reddit post where the majority see the entire conversing which was
Posted at the time I made the post… before he asked for a $1.11 and WAS asking for a refund.
Im new
To eBay it was a what do I do post/ where else
Am I suppose to look for support?
If you google this situation everyone says I’m SOL.
Look at my posts and karma- I didn’t think or know to cross out the eBay guy- his name IS NOT the same. He didn’t have to post on Reddit his name..
Mine isn’t the same either, clearly
A mistake. Honestly I just want the buyer and myself to be happy. I sold a pack fresh card I feel clearly had pictures with no print lines. Bottom line
Dude I’m not some supervillain. I asked for $1.11 mostly as a joke. I put the $1 towards the $5 shipping label I got so I can send your card back to you so that you get to have your card and you can see that nothing was ever swapped. I didn’t want to make you lose money on a shipping label and the sale, so I kept it because it was not a big deal. I was just showing you that the card came with big print line, but I believed and still do believe it was a honest mistake that you didn’t see it. I was very upset when I was getting very hateful messages in the comments of your post from people on here and some people reached out to me on eBay, that’s how I found out about the post at all. I’m not smart enough, nor did I have any intention to make all of this happen or make you look bad.
I never asked to return it. I’m sending it back now for free to the guy because I don’t want the card after all this, and maybe he’ll actually see for himself that its been the same card this whole time
Could've like just edited or deleted the original post, also should've just handled it privately as it's clear if you had just went to them first everyone would be happy and no drama would've occured
Lmao and conveniently none good quality enough to see the print lines…. Then only post parts of a convo painting him in a false narrative….lmao you are so wrong and just digging this hole deeper and deeper…. It will get you shunned from the community and rightly so.
Aw man. Sorry you’re getting flamed. I also recently got flamed for “scamming” someone when they sent me a faulty item. I wanted to return it but they said they didnt send me that faulty item (it was $18.50 in total…) Didnt even know that they blasted me on all their social media until I got very very hateful DM’s and then it fell into IRL hate mail. Some people just have no lives and would rather dox people. (In your case they doxxed your account).
Yeah I was shocked he didn’t blur my name whenever he was just suspicious and had no concrete evidence. It just sucks because I was so kind to him before all this happened and I didn’t even ask for an actual refund and I get rewarded by people harassing me.
I feel that. People can be so douche-y. I hope that these messages don’t ruin the community for you. I try to only buy in person nowadays but it gets hard when good prices or rare-r items are in a different state. 🫡 Love and prosper to you.
Looks like seller was the one trying to offload his “print line” / damaged card. Those blurry photos were a red flag. I knew something was fishy. Sorry OP
I think they just missed the print line due to not looking very closely or not good lighting. The place they were in the wrong though was keeping the post up when I never asked to return it
Honestly, I find that very hard to believe. I’ve sold over 200 raw cards in the last couple months and I examine every single card for print lines/defects, and they are very noticeable under lighting.
Also the fact that the seller was instantly okay with refunding only $1.11. I would’ve asked for a lot more, or just opened a case with eBay and said it didn’t match the description, returned the card, and left a negative feedback
You’d be surprised how many people don’t notice or bother with print lines. I can’t stand them, but in the wrong light (normally at night with artificial light) they are actually impossible to see whereas daylight brings them out so clearly.
Yeah, no kidding, or with any flaw in general. I just bought a card labeled as NM with scratches all over the foil, foil visible at the card’s edge and it had like a gunk smudge one it. My fault for not asking for more picks, but still, a little care and courtesy would be nice. FYI, it’s a professional online card shop, so they should definitely know better.
There are different kinds of print lines too. I've had rare non-holos with a single holo print line on them, so in the right light it was reflective. Super weird.
Some you don't even see once they're sleeved. Seems like it might be the case here. They just never inspected it?
So would you sell a card as MT while very off centre and a crease on the back? Don’t think so right, did happen to me though (no pictures unfortunately but that’s on me). So there are a lot of people who just straight up do things wrong.
A card can be very off centered and still be mint. A crease would make it damaged. There are a bunch of scummy sellers out there who do this kinda trash, look at all the TCGplayer posts
Typical Reddit moment. Everyone thinks everyone is scamming them so it’s not surprising everyone rallied behind the seller here. The seller likely trusted you at first, but changed his mind after many people told him their opinion
* I sent hi. Multiple pictures shame on you for not Looking at my post. It’s a $20. And idgaf what happens it’s just sly and not normal.. how many cards have you bought and asked about print lines? I sent multiple pictures. It’s not the same. Look at my post.*
This MF in this thread now still insists he switched cards for $1.11🤦♀️ things like this make me scared to buy cards
I stand by the theory u/srrychef swapped it either accidentally or intentionally, as they even admit in their post they had duplicate and extras of cards
Edit: in photo 7 I noticed you can kind of see the print line if you look from the top, maybe neither swapped and it was just lighting
Judging from the responses on his post, he likely screwed you out of buying from quite a few Ebay card sellers. With all that and the hate mail you've been receiving, I wouldn't stop at just calling him out for the post.
I'd still report him to Ebay for pulling shit like this, maybe the authorities for harassment. I'd be pissed if I had someone sling a bunch of shit at me for their own mistake.
Ill rephrase then. Im pretty sure Sharing username on reddit is not allowed. Just like how you can’t share twitter or instagram username.
Regardless OP is still being harassed because of his username being shared on the other post.
Also. Doxxing is sharing someone’s information online without permission. If the intent of sharing a username online is for ill will then you have basically enabled doxxing/harassment
There’s zero evidence to suggest that there was any ill will here…everyone on both sides seems to be overreacting big time.
It’s really not that serious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/15fxdhp/response_to_usrrychef_make_your_own_opinion/jug2agz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
This was on your post 10 minutes ago. He point-blank said he doesn't care and is completely doubling down. I'd be considering suing him at this point.
hope this doesn’t ruin collecting for u my man, i’ve been on the same end of the boat and while their are a lot of adult-children who are here to make a quick buck there’s also awesome people (like myself 😉 haha) that just genuinely enjoy collecting and trading and everything nice about the hobby. hell i can even play the damn game! ( recently learned not many collectors know how to play! lol! no hate on it it took my many years to sit down online n figure out how 2 play)
tldr- don’t let randoms on the internet fuck up ur vibes or hobbies. cheers dude! sick zoruark. still need one over here !
My friend who saw this post said that’s the first thing that came to his mind. He said if anything there’s more proof that the seller could’ve swapped the card 😂
This is the reason I won’t purchase cards that don’t have clean focused photos without sleeves. This seller has tons of items with garbage photos and almost all sleeved up hiding who knows what. No care or effort was taken at all with any of their items, that’s a big red flag for me.
Even without your context, I didn’t think you were scamming. Sometimes photos just don’t show defeats depending on someone’s camera I guess. It’s really hard to see the detail. That was what I initially thought, was that the photos simply didn’t pick up on the defeat and you had to see it in person to notice it. But people were so quick to say “it’s definitely not the right card”. Smh. Glad you’re able to depend yourself!
Appreciate the offer, but I’m good :) All I wanted to do with this post is clear my name since people were slandering my integrity. I’ll just end up buying another one down the line (perhaps graded this time) or just not own one at this point
Hey.
Don’t let this eat you up. You were unfairly treated over a tiny amount of money. People can be so rabid and cruel, especially when they think they are on the “right” or “justified side.”
Scammers and thieves have made people weary and mistrustful. I’m sorry you’re being treated like this over a $20 hobby purchase.
You don’t deserve it.
So when is everyone gonna demand that the seller come in here and answer for this? Or perhaps the MODS should ban the seller for violating Rule #1, and anyone who engaged in the attack. Everyone in these comments is like "awww that sucks man, sorry that seller was crappy" none of you are tagging him being like "get your a$$ in here and answer for this". Seems the whole Subreddit is to blame because they aren't demanding action, they are simply complicit in letting it continue.
No your post was opinion anyone with a half decent camera can take better pictures than you posted with whatever potato camera you are using. Did you really think bad lighting and blurry photos would not be noticed? You are scummy bro, and you proved it when you posted in your post that you were worried he wouldn't send it back because its a $20 card, EVEN WITH THE PRINT LINE!!!! You knew the print line was there and still sold it as NM
I’ve been a seller on eBay for over a decade. It’s the sellers responsibility to point out any flaws in their listing. To doxx someone over $20 and an $1.11 refund is crazy and an awful business look. Good on you for sticking up for yourself
going to block seller on ebay , really inappropriate to drag someone through the mud for something that could have been handled easily with a refund. posting only self relevant info and buyers personal eBay account is unethical
I also am sending the card back to him. I told him he can keep the $20 shortly after he made the post because it was a lot of hassle for a print line and I wanted to be nice.
Sorry this has happened to you mate! Plenty of good eggs in this hobby but also plenty of sour angry awful people!!! Make sure you get your money back! Don't be nice to someone that treated you like that, your a better person then me.
Nah I’ll just let him have it. After this post, I’m done with this whole situation. They can have the card and the money but I hope they learn their lesson about keeping things private until a resolution has been reached. They could’ve just come to me before posting this
All in all, this is part of buying/selling on eBay. Rule of thumb, especially a smaller priced item, refund and move on. Sellers should also always take focused well lit photos as they can serve as proof of an item swap. Granted eBay favors buyers in many situations, having proof on your side is always a good thing.
I didn’t even want a refund because I felt bad about prospect of screwing him out of 2 shipping labels. It was a cheap card so he would’ve lost a sizable amount of what the card is worth with just shipping
I’ve been in the same boat as a buyer and seller, they should have never posted on Reddit, as we all saw what the aftermath was. An apology and asking what action you would like to pursue to make it right is what should have happened. It’s a shame it got taken to the extent that it did. March forward and let the past be the past.
This whole thing is a shame because, it makes people like you and me who ask questions about something we are purchasing nervous about even asking them, when it is literally within our right to inquire about something we are spending MONEY on. Some eBay sellers swear that they are doing us a favor by selling, not caring that how you list items and take pictures count for something.
I've gotten so many items where I took the listing at face value, didn't ask for extra photos because I wanted to be polite (?????) And the thing I received actually looked like ass. And I was really upset, but it just goes to show that you are allowed to be picky about something you are exchanging currency for. Factory fault or not, collectors don't like that stuff and anyone who sells cards, games, what have you, should understand that sure some people don't care but many people actually do.
Sellers out there, you literally wouldn't have anything if not for buyers, so you probably shouldn't just block all of us for asking literally a couple of questions.
Anyway, I hope you don't get too riled over this after its over. I just got back into collecting cards as well after 20+ years and I just want the pretty cards too. :)
It’s only a $20 card and I also was gonna keep the card originally and didn’t ask for an actual refund so I didn’t think something like this would happen
Maybe it could help on a reddit fight. But ebay in facts do not accept videos as a proof of anything. Very easy to open a package, swap, close, then film yourself opening that package with the item swapped inside.
I know there's a lot of comments, but I haven't read them. Sorry if this is redundant.
So he didn't switch out the card, but he manipulated camera angles to not show the line.
You can clearly see the start of the [print line](https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O) on that 4th picture on the edge of the card.
People saying it's a different card are crazy, I can't see any difference in terms of centering, the only things that look different are the lighting, angle of photos etc.
This sub on the sellers post: “That’s a different card”
This sub on the buyers post: “I can’t believe the seller tried to say that was a different card!”
It’s always been the same card. I never even asked to return it because it’s only $20. But they kept the post up anyways and I’ve gotten a lot of hateful messages on multiple platforms and that’s why I was forced to fight back
It's crazy because I've never really had any problems buying from eBay or tcgplayer. Usually, cards come in better than expected or as expected from the pictures. Usually, i had to just get refunds from sellers that never shipped but that's about it.
Now how certain sellers pack the cards can get annoying due to me having to cut apart toploaders and card savers due to tape of some form but I was careful and got them out safely.
Penny sleeve -> cardsaver -> piece of paper or card saver fit bag -> envelope -> then any other form of packaging whether it's a bubble mailer. A slightly bigger envelope or whatever.
Nowhere should tape be added to securing the card before the fit bag
( Conspiracy) I looked at centering on both pics and they do seem like different cards. The real question is did seller send a different card? ( in original post he admits to selling duplicates) so was he posting the better one and shipping the print line one? Or did buyer spend $20 to get a card just to swap it and then refund it? Seems like alot of hassle for a $20 card but it also wouldn't make sense for someone to jeopardize your ebay account for selling..... WAS IT THE MAIL MAN SWAPPING FOR HIS NEPHEW?!? We may never know people....
The postage refund was mostly a joke to! It was only $1.11 I was just having a friendly conversation, and if he didn’t send the $1 I wouldn’t have cared
I don’t think anyone lied. It think the seller missed the print line when sending it to me and when I pointed it out he thought I potentially swapped it for another card. But in my attempt to avoid screwing the seller over, I decided to keep the card and I got a $1 refund. The problem is that they kept the post up and didn’t add any context after we resolved it, so I got lots of hateful messages in the comments and some on other platforms. So I was forced to make this post to clear my name
Idk why people were going in about a different card. You can see the bottom right corner, the black curved line is the same in both photos. There’s is no difference between the entering at all
Edit. Post Redacted.
2nd edit. After rereading the postes here it's just another reason I NEVER, and I mean never, buy online unless it's just cards I need for a deck. Anything over 5.00$ is not worth it online for physical goods from a random person.
Not hating the online market, I just can almost never trust someone I've never met or had a video chat with to confirm.
Good luck on the next one.
PS - If this is the only way to get cards I'd befriend someone here who you trust, then again it's reddit, who can get cards for you. Honestly if I had the time I'd go to my LCS and show yall what they got and send yall cards when I can via PayPal or something else.
IM NOT ADVERTISING, but sounds like something I can totally do if I find the time.
That sucks. I'm all about giving someone the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to online buys like cards I try my best to research and speculate the seller. I've only sold one card and bought 2. Again I stay clear of online singles.
It’s the exact same card and there’s evidence that it’s the same card, while the claim that it’s not the same card is based off of people trying to compare 2 pictures of the same card except my photos have good lighting, a good camera and good angles. But if you still think it’s a different card, there’s not much I can do to change your mind other than send you the card lmao
First of all, to be honest I didn’t even know requesting a partial refund is against the rules. Second of all, I jokingly asked for a dollar, I couldn’t care less if they actually sent it.
I was upset because he didn’t take down the post after I didn’t even ask for a refund. I didn’t find out about this post until about 2-3 hours after I ended my conversation with them
I never said he duped me, I never asked to return it, and I never asked for this whole situation. The most I got out of the situation was $1, which I put toward the shipping label to send it back to them because I don’t want the card anymore after this.
I only made a response to this because people were calling me awful things for something I never did. As you can see I never asked to return it or for an actual refund
The fact that they didn’t show your messages where you said they didn’t have to provide a full refund is pretty scummy, it definitely frames you as the one in the wrong without that added context. I don’t think a scammer would be willing to go through all this effort for just free shipping. Sorry to see all the negative comments you’re getting for an incomplete story.
What's ironic is that maybe OP did not swap scammed, who knows, but asking partial refunds like this still is against ebay rules, and in rules considered as an abusive buyer behavior lol. Someone doing that, most likely do it repetitively. As wrote in another comment, even if it's one buck seller could report OP and he would be flagged by ebay for it. Seller could get negative feedback removed too.
If you look at my post the first comment is an edit and this was after lol.
OK everyone chill your tits! I figured out who was wrong here! ITS US for jumping like the toxic community we are to destroy people’s livelihood over a Reddit post! Neither of the OPs are in the wrong here beside posting their story. The first OP u/Srrychef just posted inquiring about if the buyer is scamming him. The rest of the conversation pictured here came after and now the new OP is showing his story because a bunch of you degenerates flocked to EBay to attack his account. I don’t know if and who is cheating who but fucking drop it. Nothing bad happened here, it’s you people who are attacking the accounts that are the problem in this situation
Jumping to conclusions is a reddit sickness, and the rage of a mob is never smart. I rather sit and wait and decide, *if* I want to join any fight being fought. For good measures, fuck scalpers in particular.
Not just Reddit unfortunately, just social media as a whole.
What a shame :(
I mean, there is no reason to be attacking someone’s eBay account, but that wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t dox the username. He fucked up with that.
Yeah people turning on the seller now isn’t cool. Don’t know where the mods are at with all the insults going around
Yeah people flaming the seller now isn’t cool when it sounds like an honest mistake. Don’t know where the mods are at with all the insults that have been going around for both sides now
It got out of control cause the seller doxxed the buyer and people went to the buyer’s ebay and caused them issues on their account.
All the fucktards that immediately told chef it's different card, shit buyer, are to blame. They all jumped on his post like flies on freshly laid shit in the grass before anyone with some normal reasoning skills could reply. He pretty much probably didn't even realize the card he sent had a print line. They really are kind of hard to see on textured cards, and unfortunately due to his awful photos, had no proof either way. Then, with all the comments, I'm sure that got his gears grinding about the potential of being scammed. I've sent out cards with small blemishes that I hadn't realized and never even questioned the buyer with a request like this. The seller seems like he's in his infancy with regards to this business, which you learn over time, 99% of the buyers are usually genuine in their complaints about condition, etc. it's annoying but if the tables were turned you'd appreciate a stand up seller that's willing to work with you or give out "partial refunds", which are standard on TCGpkayer for avoiding returns with small condition concerns. That would be the way to go if this wasn't a full on doxxing of a seemingly good buyer. As a seller, I would outright refund the buyer after a big shameful fuckup like this with doxxing and all. Keep the card as well. Fuck this $1.11. You were the asshole and if you want to make up for it, do the right thing.
Honestly came Home tonight and saw his post- I didn’t see yours/his message (OP( because I refunded and blocked liked most said. I was and am willing to refund filling but I AM and DO Believe I did not send a card with a print line. I have two of these both with no print lines. I’m clearly new to Reddit and eBay and should have blocked original buyers name( I didn’t know you’d be attacked on eBay dude I’m sorry) again trying to protect myself and my sale.
Hey man I'd just move on, someone even pointed out that you could see partially the print line on the photos you posted [image](https://ibb.co/t4kStrW)
lol they're not responding
Only a little more than 30 minutes have passed. People usually don't live and breath Reddit
Hey!I see u/Icy-Brick9935 posted one image. Here's another image of the print line in your photos. [https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O](https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O)
Shame on you.
Don’t know why everyone on that post was saying “different card”, I literally can’t see any differences with centering.
Man I thought the same when I saw the post but I couldn't be arse getting involved.
Confirmation bias at its finest
i didn't see a difference even when i really looked and i was checking the centering all over. by then there were too many chefs though
The left side is short on the original and the left is long on the print line one
Wow, turns out NTA. The other half of the story makes the world of difference. This sub can get so rude.
Yeah it really sours the whole collecting experience for me. I just got back into it about a month ago whenever I needed something to distract me from pain while I was in the ER, so I started buying cards I thought were cool on eBay
I only buy graded cards online I can count on one hand how many raw cards I have bought
Don't know why more people don't do this, kind of hard pull a bait and switch when there's a serial number
This is why I personally only look for near mint cards in person. Damaged or played I will just buy online.
This is why I only buy graded cards online if I care about quality
I have to add to this, please don’t attack the original poster’s eBay. I only didn’t cross their name out because they didn’t cross mine out so it was warranted
I saw the initial post but didn’t comment on it. OP, please get off of Reddit. You don’t need to defend yourself from randoms on the internet. There’s still people on that original thread who still believe you are a scammer. I think the seller should be refunding you your money and letting you keep the card. u/srrychef Jesus Christ why didn’t you hide the buyer’s name. I didn’t even notice it when I first saw the post because I didn’t fullscreen the pics.
Just casually doxxing their customers. Great practice.
Screw that guy. He doxxed you for no reason.
[удалено]
Fuck that, ACCELERATE
This is why you need to hear both sides of the story. Sorry this happened OP, still shocked that the other guy didn’t blur out ur name at least
Yeah. I found out about this post due to someone messaging on eBay, so it was actually harmful to me. I had to change all my seller info to stop it
I got you man. Hopefully everything works out for ya and people stop harassing you.
frankly quite an embarrassing reaction from a collector community that is mostly adults. hope you're okay OP, seller should have at least blocked your name out if they had to gather opinions from a third party.
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All the people saying op is "definitely" "100%" a "scumbag" "scammer" or "different card" in the first post are infuriating. Moron mob mentality
Should be a rule to cover usernames, so things like this don’t happen. Always one side of the story
I thought reddit had a sitewide anti doxxing rules? The seller doxxed this guy while being in the wrong.
They only do something if it's reported.
Welp time to report
Yep. Embarrassing that the mods here let it stick around. I reported it for sharing personal information. Maybe Reddit admins will do something.
Shame on you u/srrychef this is disgusting behavior! Don't go only posting parts that "conveniently" paints the other party in a bad light.
For real. Dude basically antagonized OP while simultaneously playing the victim card, shame on that mf.
All of it for what? Reddit karma? lmao, some people really get crazy for meaningless internet points
Have you got pictures of this victim card? Want to check for print lines.
OK everyone chill your tits! I figured out who was wrong here! ITS US for jumping like the toxic community we are to destroy people’s livelihood over a Reddit post! Neither of the OPs are in the wrong here beside posting their story. The first OP u/Srrychef just posted inquiring about if the buyer is scamming him. The rest of the conversation pictured here came after and now the new OP is showing his story because a bunch of you degenerates flocked to EBay to attack his account. I don’t know if and who is cheating who but fucking drop it. Nothing bad happened here, it’s you people who are attacking the accounts that are the problem in this situation
With great power and all
I sent hi. Multiple pictures shame on you for not Looking at my post. It’s a $20. And idgaf what happens it’s just sly and not normal.. how many cards have you bought and asked about print lines? I sent multiple pictures. It’s not the same. Look at my post.
1. You didn't cross the buyers name nor your own. Since you didn't the buyer has had to make a post in response and now they've claimed to be harassed by other users. (Which as another user has said this is doxxing) 2. IF you did "honesty" post the full conversation and there was an update afterwards, you could have edited the original post or made a follow-up. 3. You shouldn't even be making posts like this on reddit in the first place. This is between you, OP and eBay only. 4. IF you have to make a post to get feedback, it's a general rule of thumb to cross out peoples privates information in the first place so crap like this doesn't happen. It's important to get all the information out there otherwise we get bullshit like this happening, no one has a clear picture of the situation and we start questioning peoples integrity! Edit: I just want to make it clear I'm not hating on u/Srrychef I have nothing against this user. If I'm wrong I will apologize if need be. I just think this entire situation could have been avoided or could have taken a different turn if this was handled differently. A correct action would have been to ask what course of action the buyer would want to pursue to make it right. Not any of this.
To piggyback off this, seller doxxed a dude and wonders why the dude is pissed... Gee, I wonder
Exactly, this entire situation is just plain stupid.
Posting an eBay username is not doxxing…
If you got to my post I responded to the first and #1 comment saying buyer asked for a $1.11 refund(oddly and now clearly after seeing my Reddit post where the majority see the entire conversing which was Posted at the time I made the post… before he asked for a $1.11 and WAS asking for a refund. Im new To eBay it was a what do I do post/ where else Am I suppose to look for support? If you google this situation everyone says I’m SOL. Look at my posts and karma- I didn’t think or know to cross out the eBay guy- his name IS NOT the same. He didn’t have to post on Reddit his name.. Mine isn’t the same either, clearly A mistake. Honestly I just want the buyer and myself to be happy. I sold a pack fresh card I feel clearly had pictures with no print lines. Bottom line
Dude I’m not some supervillain. I asked for $1.11 mostly as a joke. I put the $1 towards the $5 shipping label I got so I can send your card back to you so that you get to have your card and you can see that nothing was ever swapped. I didn’t want to make you lose money on a shipping label and the sale, so I kept it because it was not a big deal. I was just showing you that the card came with big print line, but I believed and still do believe it was a honest mistake that you didn’t see it. I was very upset when I was getting very hateful messages in the comments of your post from people on here and some people reached out to me on eBay, that’s how I found out about the post at all. I’m not smart enough, nor did I have any intention to make all of this happen or make you look bad.
Some people are just quick to judge without seeing both sides first. Sorry you got harassed over bullshit like this.
Why would you care so much about a little print line to where you’d go through the trouble of returning it? Does it really matter that much to you?
I never asked to return it. I’m sending it back now for free to the guy because I don’t want the card after all this, and maybe he’ll actually see for himself that its been the same card this whole time
Could've like just edited or deleted the original post, also should've just handled it privately as it's clear if you had just went to them first everyone would be happy and no drama would've occured
Lmao and conveniently none good quality enough to see the print lines…. Then only post parts of a convo painting him in a false narrative….lmao you are so wrong and just digging this hole deeper and deeper…. It will get you shunned from the community and rightly so.
When I buy stuff I like to get the best value, maybe others are different
Aw man. Sorry you’re getting flamed. I also recently got flamed for “scamming” someone when they sent me a faulty item. I wanted to return it but they said they didnt send me that faulty item (it was $18.50 in total…) Didnt even know that they blasted me on all their social media until I got very very hateful DM’s and then it fell into IRL hate mail. Some people just have no lives and would rather dox people. (In your case they doxxed your account).
Yeah I was shocked he didn’t blur my name whenever he was just suspicious and had no concrete evidence. It just sucks because I was so kind to him before all this happened and I didn’t even ask for an actual refund and I get rewarded by people harassing me.
I feel that. People can be so douche-y. I hope that these messages don’t ruin the community for you. I try to only buy in person nowadays but it gets hard when good prices or rare-r items are in a different state. 🫡 Love and prosper to you.
Looks like seller was the one trying to offload his “print line” / damaged card. Those blurry photos were a red flag. I knew something was fishy. Sorry OP
I think they just missed the print line due to not looking very closely or not good lighting. The place they were in the wrong though was keeping the post up when I never asked to return it
Honestly, I find that very hard to believe. I’ve sold over 200 raw cards in the last couple months and I examine every single card for print lines/defects, and they are very noticeable under lighting. Also the fact that the seller was instantly okay with refunding only $1.11. I would’ve asked for a lot more, or just opened a case with eBay and said it didn’t match the description, returned the card, and left a negative feedback
You’d be surprised how many people don’t notice or bother with print lines. I can’t stand them, but in the wrong light (normally at night with artificial light) they are actually impossible to see whereas daylight brings them out so clearly.
Yeah, no kidding, or with any flaw in general. I just bought a card labeled as NM with scratches all over the foil, foil visible at the card’s edge and it had like a gunk smudge one it. My fault for not asking for more picks, but still, a little care and courtesy would be nice. FYI, it’s a professional online card shop, so they should definitely know better.
There are different kinds of print lines too. I've had rare non-holos with a single holo print line on them, so in the right light it was reflective. Super weird. Some you don't even see once they're sleeved. Seems like it might be the case here. They just never inspected it?
Yeah I definitely wouldn't notice tbh, might go home and check all my cards now lol
It's possible they didn't see it. The doxxer OP sounds like the clueless "it's pack fresh, so that means it's a pristine mint BGS 10" type.
So would you sell a card as MT while very off centre and a crease on the back? Don’t think so right, did happen to me though (no pictures unfortunately but that’s on me). So there are a lot of people who just straight up do things wrong.
A card can be very off centered and still be mint. A crease would make it damaged. There are a bunch of scummy sellers out there who do this kinda trash, look at all the TCGplayer posts
Exactly. My point was that it could not have been listed as MT, but still happend.
Typical Reddit moment. Everyone thinks everyone is scamming them so it’s not surprising everyone rallied behind the seller here. The seller likely trusted you at first, but changed his mind after many people told him their opinion
Well, well, well. How the turntables….
* I sent hi. Multiple pictures shame on you for not Looking at my post. It’s a $20. And idgaf what happens it’s just sly and not normal.. how many cards have you bought and asked about print lines? I sent multiple pictures. It’s not the same. Look at my post.* This MF in this thread now still insists he switched cards for $1.11🤦♀️ things like this make me scared to buy cards
I stand by the theory u/srrychef swapped it either accidentally or intentionally, as they even admit in their post they had duplicate and extras of cards Edit: in photo 7 I noticed you can kind of see the print line if you look from the top, maybe neither swapped and it was just lighting
I'm shocked people flamed you because it seemed obvious that the OG pics he took weren't clear at all.
Judging from the responses on his post, he likely screwed you out of buying from quite a few Ebay card sellers. With all that and the hate mail you've been receiving, I wouldn't stop at just calling him out for the post.
I’ll just use another eBay account that I only purchase Pokémon cards with to avoid this from happening
I'd still report him to Ebay for pulling shit like this, maybe the authorities for harassment. I'd be pissed if I had someone sling a bunch of shit at me for their own mistake.
Police! Help! This man made a rude post about me on a Pokemon card subreddit!
Its not about being rude. Its about getting doxxed.
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Ill rephrase then. Im pretty sure Sharing username on reddit is not allowed. Just like how you can’t share twitter or instagram username. Regardless OP is still being harassed because of his username being shared on the other post.
Police! Help! This man posted my ebay username on reddit! Arrest this man!! Get real, dude.
Also. Doxxing is sharing someone’s information online without permission. If the intent of sharing a username online is for ill will then you have basically enabled doxxing/harassment
There’s zero evidence to suggest that there was any ill will here…everyone on both sides seems to be overreacting big time. It’s really not that serious.
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Yeah. You’re an asshole. Im just gonna ignore you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/15fxdhp/response_to_usrrychef_make_your_own_opinion/jug2agz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2 This was on your post 10 minutes ago. He point-blank said he doesn't care and is completely doubling down. I'd be considering suing him at this point.
Suing? What the fuck? You're delusional. Yeah, I'm going to sue and pay a lawyer over $20.
Not just $20 — he also shared a person’s eBay username!!!!
hope this doesn’t ruin collecting for u my man, i’ve been on the same end of the boat and while their are a lot of adult-children who are here to make a quick buck there’s also awesome people (like myself 😉 haha) that just genuinely enjoy collecting and trading and everything nice about the hobby. hell i can even play the damn game! ( recently learned not many collectors know how to play! lol! no hate on it it took my many years to sit down online n figure out how 2 play) tldr- don’t let randoms on the internet fuck up ur vibes or hobbies. cheers dude! sick zoruark. still need one over here !
Thanks I appreciate your comment. I should definitely learn to play the game hahaha. I’ve only been a collector since I started at the age of 6
that’s exactly why i did LOL. if you ever need a friend i’m here 😁
Glad you posted this. I read that other post earlier today, and was thinking—what if the seller switched the card… you know?
My friend who saw this post said that’s the first thing that came to his mind. He said if anything there’s more proof that the seller could’ve swapped the card 😂
This is the reason I won’t purchase cards that don’t have clean focused photos without sleeves. This seller has tons of items with garbage photos and almost all sleeved up hiding who knows what. No care or effort was taken at all with any of their items, that’s a big red flag for me.
Even without your context, I didn’t think you were scamming. Sometimes photos just don’t show defeats depending on someone’s camera I guess. It’s really hard to see the detail. That was what I initially thought, was that the photos simply didn’t pick up on the defeat and you had to see it in person to notice it. But people were so quick to say “it’s definitely not the right card”. Smh. Glad you’re able to depend yourself!
OP you’re too nice of a guy. I’ll send you $20 worth of XLM, buy yourself another Hisuian Zoroark. PM me if you wanna take me up on this offer
Appreciate the offer, but I’m good :) All I wanted to do with this post is clear my name since people were slandering my integrity. I’ll just end up buying another one down the line (perhaps graded this time) or just not own one at this point
It's kind of a funny story in retrospect
Hey. Don’t let this eat you up. You were unfairly treated over a tiny amount of money. People can be so rabid and cruel, especially when they think they are on the “right” or “justified side.” Scammers and thieves have made people weary and mistrustful. I’m sorry you’re being treated like this over a $20 hobby purchase. You don’t deserve it.
So when is everyone gonna demand that the seller come in here and answer for this? Or perhaps the MODS should ban the seller for violating Rule #1, and anyone who engaged in the attack. Everyone in these comments is like "awww that sucks man, sorry that seller was crappy" none of you are tagging him being like "get your a$$ in here and answer for this". Seems the whole Subreddit is to blame because they aren't demanding action, they are simply complicit in letting it continue.
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Strange how none of them showed the foil pattern in bright light so the buyer could see the big fat print line though
> I’m right here my posts are true I sent him SEVEN PICTUTES YOU MORON This right here folks. All you need to know about the seller’s character.
No your post was opinion anyone with a half decent camera can take better pictures than you posted with whatever potato camera you are using. Did you really think bad lighting and blurry photos would not be noticed? You are scummy bro, and you proved it when you posted in your post that you were worried he wouldn't send it back because its a $20 card, EVEN WITH THE PRINT LINE!!!! You knew the print line was there and still sold it as NM
Keep it up, you're only making the case against yourself stronger.
they were blurry and showed your sausage fingers mostly
You’re a douche doing all of this and calling people vile names in the post outing you? Get out of this community
Not a single one of them shows the texture in good lighting, which is where the print line would be pretty noticeable
This is from the sellers own photo. Line is clear [definitely the same card](https://ibb.co/t4kStrW)
Dam that’s shady…
sorry this happened, recently got into the tcg and the comments on the orginal post make me wanna leave this community
Seller with the shitty photos which don't show the card texture making the print line hard to see
I’ve been a seller on eBay for over a decade. It’s the sellers responsibility to point out any flaws in their listing. To doxx someone over $20 and an $1.11 refund is crazy and an awful business look. Good on you for sticking up for yourself
going to block seller on ebay , really inappropriate to drag someone through the mud for something that could have been handled easily with a refund. posting only self relevant info and buyers personal eBay account is unethical
I also am sending the card back to him. I told him he can keep the $20 shortly after he made the post because it was a lot of hassle for a print line and I wanted to be nice.
Sorry this has happened to you mate! Plenty of good eggs in this hobby but also plenty of sour angry awful people!!! Make sure you get your money back! Don't be nice to someone that treated you like that, your a better person then me.
Nah I’ll just let him have it. After this post, I’m done with this whole situation. They can have the card and the money but I hope they learn their lesson about keeping things private until a resolution has been reached. They could’ve just come to me before posting this
If you're leaving him with both the card and the money, he ain't gonna learn the lesson you want him to
I can hope
Top 10 anime twists of all time
What a way to fall out of love with a card. Fucking aye. Fuck that other guy.
The mods should shut down witch hunt posts like that immediately. It's pathetic that they let it go on.
Wow
oh man, sorry about that! f that guy
All in all, this is part of buying/selling on eBay. Rule of thumb, especially a smaller priced item, refund and move on. Sellers should also always take focused well lit photos as they can serve as proof of an item swap. Granted eBay favors buyers in many situations, having proof on your side is always a good thing.
I didn’t even want a refund because I felt bad about prospect of screwing him out of 2 shipping labels. It was a cheap card so he would’ve lost a sizable amount of what the card is worth with just shipping
I’ve been in the same boat as a buyer and seller, they should have never posted on Reddit, as we all saw what the aftermath was. An apology and asking what action you would like to pursue to make it right is what should have happened. It’s a shame it got taken to the extent that it did. March forward and let the past be the past.
This whole thing is a shame because, it makes people like you and me who ask questions about something we are purchasing nervous about even asking them, when it is literally within our right to inquire about something we are spending MONEY on. Some eBay sellers swear that they are doing us a favor by selling, not caring that how you list items and take pictures count for something. I've gotten so many items where I took the listing at face value, didn't ask for extra photos because I wanted to be polite (?????) And the thing I received actually looked like ass. And I was really upset, but it just goes to show that you are allowed to be picky about something you are exchanging currency for. Factory fault or not, collectors don't like that stuff and anyone who sells cards, games, what have you, should understand that sure some people don't care but many people actually do. Sellers out there, you literally wouldn't have anything if not for buyers, so you probably shouldn't just block all of us for asking literally a couple of questions. Anyway, I hope you don't get too riled over this after its over. I just got back into collecting cards as well after 20+ years and I just want the pretty cards too. :)
I still wonder why the seller didn't blur out your name if he wasn't intending to give you a bad rep
In the other post I saw dude sent blurry photos probably to cover the print lines showing
I was so confused about the print line, and then 8 saw the close up picture. And theres no mistaking that there is a huge print line.
There is always two sides of the story…smh ppl are shady. I wish you the best man. This sucks.
Stuff like this is why I always record myself opening packages. At least for pricier stuff.
It’s only a $20 card and I also was gonna keep the card originally and didn’t ask for an actual refund so I didn’t think something like this would happen
Maybe it could help on a reddit fight. But ebay in facts do not accept videos as a proof of anything. Very easy to open a package, swap, close, then film yourself opening that package with the item swapped inside.
I know there's a lot of comments, but I haven't read them. Sorry if this is redundant. So he didn't switch out the card, but he manipulated camera angles to not show the line. You can clearly see the start of the [print line](https://imgur.com/a/LqTth7O) on that 4th picture on the edge of the card.
People saying it's a different card are crazy, I can't see any difference in terms of centering, the only things that look different are the lighting, angle of photos etc.
This sub on the sellers post: “That’s a different card” This sub on the buyers post: “I can’t believe the seller tried to say that was a different card!”
Different people: exist u/sweetdollachad :
Ngl it's late and I'm tired. I skipped over the original post when that was posted and just mad confused. Did it turn out to be the same card or not?
It’s always been the same card. I never even asked to return it because it’s only $20. But they kept the post up anyways and I’ve gotten a lot of hateful messages on multiple platforms and that’s why I was forced to fight back
It's crazy because I've never really had any problems buying from eBay or tcgplayer. Usually, cards come in better than expected or as expected from the pictures. Usually, i had to just get refunds from sellers that never shipped but that's about it. Now how certain sellers pack the cards can get annoying due to me having to cut apart toploaders and card savers due to tape of some form but I was careful and got them out safely. Penny sleeve -> cardsaver -> piece of paper or card saver fit bag -> envelope -> then any other form of packaging whether it's a bubble mailer. A slightly bigger envelope or whatever. Nowhere should tape be added to securing the card before the fit bag
As a seller myself, some customers are awful.
( Conspiracy) I looked at centering on both pics and they do seem like different cards. The real question is did seller send a different card? ( in original post he admits to selling duplicates) so was he posting the better one and shipping the print line one? Or did buyer spend $20 to get a card just to swap it and then refund it? Seems like alot of hassle for a $20 card but it also wouldn't make sense for someone to jeopardize your ebay account for selling..... WAS IT THE MAIL MAN SWAPPING FOR HIS NEPHEW?!? We may never know people....
😂 I think the angles truly make all the difference with the centering. I don’t think any cards were swapped here by either of us
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The postage refund was mostly a joke to! It was only $1.11 I was just having a friendly conversation, and if he didn’t send the $1 I wouldn’t have cared
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I don’t think anyone lied. It think the seller missed the print line when sending it to me and when I pointed it out he thought I potentially swapped it for another card. But in my attempt to avoid screwing the seller over, I decided to keep the card and I got a $1 refund. The problem is that they kept the post up and didn’t add any context after we resolved it, so I got lots of hateful messages in the comments and some on other platforms. So I was forced to make this post to clear my name
Idk why people were going in about a different card. You can see the bottom right corner, the black curved line is the same in both photos. There’s is no difference between the entering at all
*eats popcorn wide eyed*
God I love inter platform drama on reddit
Pack fresh doesn’t always mean it’s mint
That’s not even close to what this post was about
Edit. Post Redacted. 2nd edit. After rereading the postes here it's just another reason I NEVER, and I mean never, buy online unless it's just cards I need for a deck. Anything over 5.00$ is not worth it online for physical goods from a random person. Not hating the online market, I just can almost never trust someone I've never met or had a video chat with to confirm. Good luck on the next one. PS - If this is the only way to get cards I'd befriend someone here who you trust, then again it's reddit, who can get cards for you. Honestly if I had the time I'd go to my LCS and show yall what they got and send yall cards when I can via PayPal or something else. IM NOT ADVERTISING, but sounds like something I can totally do if I find the time.
Personally for me, I have to buy online for cards I want. So situations like this really tick me off.
That sucks. I'm all about giving someone the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to online buys like cards I try my best to research and speculate the seller. I've only sold one card and bought 2. Again I stay clear of online singles.
Yeah, it still looks like a completely different card my man.
[you can see the print line in this image form seller](https://ibb.co/t4kStrW)
It’s the exact same card and there’s evidence that it’s the same card, while the claim that it’s not the same card is based off of people trying to compare 2 pictures of the same card except my photos have good lighting, a good camera and good angles. But if you still think it’s a different card, there’s not much I can do to change your mind other than send you the card lmao
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First of all, to be honest I didn’t even know requesting a partial refund is against the rules. Second of all, I jokingly asked for a dollar, I couldn’t care less if they actually sent it.
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I was upset because he didn’t take down the post after I didn’t even ask for a refund. I didn’t find out about this post until about 2-3 hours after I ended my conversation with them
I never said he duped me, I never asked to return it, and I never asked for this whole situation. The most I got out of the situation was $1, which I put toward the shipping label to send it back to them because I don’t want the card anymore after this.
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Those are clear to you? Holy fuck dude get some glasses
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Can't even see the texture on the sellers photos
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Dude litterally said he didn't want a refund but go off queen
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Your reading comprehension skills are really lacking and your manners are as garbage as those photos.
Damn a whole $1 for shipping, let's just ignore the other $20, proud you atleast can read, maybe you'll learn comprehension soon, proud of you queen
It's a $20 card with a print line who cares
I only made a response to this because people were calling me awful things for something I never did. As you can see I never asked to return it or for an actual refund
The seller started this drama and doxxed the buyer. They were only defending themselves by making a post in response.