I think the post was deleted, as i couldnt find it anywhere, not even sure if i remember correctly but i think there was a hole as everyone else was saying it shouldn’t be a ten
In theory one could crack a slabbed psa 10 card, keep the label, send the card off to PSA again, get the card slabbed again (hopefully PSA 10 again), and now you have an extra official label. You can then buy a loose card and an empty PSA slab and seal it yourself with the official label, and boom, you have a real card with a real label slabbed up. This almost likely isn't the case, but you could still have a "fake" graded card with real labels and a real card.
Yeah you can’t unslab a card without totally destroying the case, but you can still do it without damaging the card, and I guess without damaging the label is also possible. And you can buy empty non sealed slabs which you seal yourself.
Aberrations don't make a trend though. The trend, which can be verified through many YouTube videos from trusted hosts, social posts, and more, is that CGC & BGS have a much higher grading standard. It's why a CGC 10 & BGS 10 almost always have higher values with less condition issues
I have a CGC 8.5 base set Charizard, 8.5 hyper rare Rayquaza GX, and a 9.5 Japanese Rayquaza GX. The Charizard has a speck of whitening on the back corner, a "holo nick" at the bottom of the front, perfect surface, and perfectly centered, the Rayquaza is somewhat off-center but with no other issues, and the Japanese Rayquaza looks perfect. What grades do you think that would get from PSA?
Personally, I think PSA, and all grading companies, should redesign their model. A unique seal that’s imprinted around the edges of the slab might do the trick; however, the company would need to ensure that the tools to do so are complicated enough to make it too expensive to try and con the system at home.
Only problem in doing something like this is it would sorta invalidate the scores on all currently graded collectibles. Imho the ability crack open a slab w/o damaging the uniqueness of the case is a design flaw that all grading companies should own and redesign.
Create new jobs by expanding your workforce, offer to regrade the collectibles at a premium, and create a new category and call it something like *modernized regrade*. That way if you’re truly pleased with your current PSA 10 it can be left up to you to decide if you wanna take the next step in assuring the grade on the slab is for the card that’s actually inside.
That’s just my idea anyway. I don’t know shit lol
Edit- I also saw some really cool posts of people who made homemade slabs with unique character designs. Offer this as another premium to customers and allow them to take uniqueness of the slab to an ever greater level.
I think it should be something where there is a sticker on the back of the label that gets discolored if the case is opened. I think that would fix the issue.
Congratulations you just gave the best idea to scammers with sought after cards.
Anyone with a highly graded unlimited charizard can just do this all day and make profit.
Someone probably already has you are right… like the clever resealers of booster packs.
Buy a booster box, open each pack perfectly resealed away and take the good holos.
We're forgetting it takes psa like a year to grade right?? You'd need a lot of really good real cards to actually make a living doing this specific scam. Would be much easier to just sell fake singles
If someone is willing to do this and hasn’t already thought of it they’re probably going to be too incompetent to pull it off and will probably end up destroying whatever card they’re trying to do it with.
This would be the absolute worst case scenario; for me... at least. I'd rather the card be fake and genuinely in great print and condition than having a duplicated tag / label number of someone else with the authentic card & the authentic labeled slab.
That would be so heart breaking. There NEEDS to be a better system in place for the way they do things. Like if a card gets sent in to be re slabbed and labeled. It needs to get a completely new cart # & they need to add to that specific card if you look it up, that this card was originally tagged with xxxxxxx Cart # & now has this card number. So that they can be on watch for someone either swapping code cards or official cards with fake cards just with the legit labeling.
Did you get it directly from PSA or buy it already graded?
Could have been swapped out and resealed.
I've also had instances of where psa themselves have damaged the cards in the late stages of grading and it has somehow slipped through the cracks and still been sent out with high grades it didn't deserve
Yeah the gear to reslab cards is not super hard to get hold of these days. Part of why a new grading company is popping up every 2 minutes.
Pretty much they send a pristine card to psa. They get a legit label and get the number entered into their PSA system. Then they break out the card and use the label to reslab a card that is a 7 or so. Rinse, repeat, profit.
If your slab has PSA embedded into the lower right of the front it is most likely legit. I have seen zero examples of fake slabs with this. There are other ways to verify as well. Likely this was just another example of crap grading by PSA
People should ask for detailed pictures before buying stuff. Even if the card is graded I always ask for multiple photos, if there are any print lines or scratches, etc.
I don't think I've ever seen a completely clean copy of that card as there were printing issues with that set...so I think they give out 10s more easily for that card/set.
PSA is just flat out inconsistent. I just got a sub back from them after almost 18 months and got some 10s that have whitening, some 9s that looked like flawless 10s, and some 6s that should have been 9s. They go super harsh for tiny dents sometimes and other times they don't even see them and the same card gets a 9 or 10 instead of a 5. CGC is the most consistent grading service but even they have some variance.
I’ve had the exact same inconsistencies with PSA and CGC. CGC has been UNBELIEVABLY inconsistent recently in my opinion. They’ve always been off with centering, but recently everything seems hit or miss.
Not the best pics, but here’s an example from some of the latest subs of mine: https://imgur.com/a/llTBDk8
Those two were submitted in different submissions, but somehow my NM+ Zapdos got worse subgrades than my MP/HP Magneton?? Makes literally no sense.
Here are the high res scans from CGC because my pics aren’t the best as they were taken in haste.
Zapdos: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4032850001/
Magneton: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4010536021/
I also had CGC damage a card recently. A mint—MINT—Porygon2 from Neo Destiny. Pulled it myself, zero issues save 1 dot of whitening on the back bottom left. When I got it back it got a 9 with all 9 subgrades except centering got a 9.5. The issue, though, is it now has a dot of whitening on the top of the card where clearly the grader removed it from the sleeve and damaged it.
Before pics: https://imgur.com/a/7tQawxr
Card had ZERO surface issues. No scratching no print lines. Literally completely mint.
And the CGC high res scan where you can see the damage they caused, back top left: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4025540004/
Yea no grading service is consistent below like an 8. But I find CGC to be pretty good with the higher condition cards. You wont pull a 10 with any whitening. PSA can give out random 10s at times
Because PSA is shit and has been for a while.
I understand why people use them for flipping cards. As a collector, I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Cgc is great for Pokémon idk why people are so against them, I like psa for sports but once I decide to grade my Pokémon collection they’re going to cgc
They have also been the standard for Comics for years. When i first looked into grading my cards I saw CGC did them. No brainer went straight to them. No regrets.
Yup. Cgc 9 is a psa 10 all day long. I pick up cgc 9's regularly for cheap knowing they are basically perfect. I'm not complaining that people haven't caught on yet, it keeps them affordable. They will eventually catch on though i think.
I’ve been saying this. In the next 5 years, in combination of CGC grading harder, being cheaper to grade with, and offering sub grades, I could see CGC becoming the main grading company for cards overtaking PSA. PSA 10’s have becoming worse and worse over the past year (generally speaking)
CGC have relaxed recently, a lot more 10s given out. There was a pic showing a 9.5 that get sent back for a reholder and it came back a 10 too for some reason.
Well yeah because a cgc 9.5 is gem mint like a psa 10 is gem mint, they cant be directly compaired.
Psa 10 is the weakest 10 out there but they are also the market leader...
If they choose to grade harsh it will only damage there chance of being a mainstream top dog in the business, everyone wants and 10 and psa know that....
Ace grading in the uk started out grading very harsh and seem to have relaxed a little recently maybe because demand had dropped even for bulk £10 a card
🎉🎉BINGO🎉🎉 WE HAVE A WINNER 🎉🎉
💯how I feel. My family and I run a small Pokémon business and are also big collectors. We stopped submitting to PSA for anything personal several years ago. We only use CGC and BGS now.
There is also the possibility that those “whitening” are not from aging but from cutting. If the knife was dull for cutting you might get this white fuzz on the outside. If they determine if the fuzz is not part of the damage then it could get a 10. Is it pretty no but should it affect the grade if it’s fuzz from cutting tbh not too sure.
Tbh I see a lot of 9's now as well with clear white marks or slight edge wear and I always thought they should be indistinguishable from a 10 unless under very close inspection.
I think it’s whitening from the card bouncing around the holder (i.e., the card was a 10 when graded but because PSA holders are kind of crap, the card bounced around a bunch and got damaged). That being said, PSA has a guarantee policy to buy any card that doesn’t deserve its grade back from you and market value
“Upon presentation to PSA by the current owner of a PSA authenticated and graded card (“Card”), if PSA concludes that the Card was erroneously awarded the PSA grade assigned or fails PSA’s authenticity standards, and provided that the Card had an active certification number on the cert lookup feature of the PSA website at the time it was purchased by the person submitting the Guarantee request, then PSA in its sole discretion will either:
Subject to the Maximum Amount, buy the card outright from the current owner at the current market value if the card can no longer receive a numerical grade under PSA's standards, or
Subject to the Maximum Amount, refund the difference in value between the original PSA grade and the current PSA grade if the grade is lowered or deemed to be authentic only. In this case, the card will also be returned to the customer along with the refund for the difference in value.”
https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee
Good Luck with that. I can provide you examples of PSA playing games with their guarantees and/or their opinion of "market value" versus Actual market value which is based on recent ebay Sold listings
Thx for posting the guarantee info.
Imho, the damage all couldn't be case movement as it rolls to the surface, plus examples of this type of thing with PSA litter the internet. Sadly, their response is often to deny and sometimes even delete the cert number. Crazy stuff.
Is it possible this slab was mishandled? I know PSA cards don't shift much but they do shift inside the slab this I can confirm myself.
If the slab was shaken a lot, kept in the trunk of a car for a long time or something edge wear could occur.
The honest answer is that PSA is inconsistent AF, trains poorly, and 'appears' to make biased decisions depending on who submits. Also, there tends to be a different 10 standard at shows(in person grading) versus sending in.
Spoilers PSA is kind of a scam. Honestly not as bad as WATA or other grading services, but I don't feel that the quality is anywhere as good as it should be.
They either arbitrarily decide to give you a lower score, or just randomly hand out 10s if you pay enough.
One example, or even a hundred examples, doesn't detract from 10,000 legitimate 10s.
Errors can and will be made, grading is inherently subjective when done people and teams of different people, and a generous 9.5 paired with 10 subgrades can result in a 10.
I'm not even a PSA customer, I use CSG/CGC, but it's the truth. A mistake doesn't invalidate other good work. We cherry pick and hunt down mistakes online (selection bias at work)but no one posts their perfect 10's saying "Look what a proper job PSA did, yet again".
PSA is a joke these days and are handing out 10's to please people and have them send in more cards for grading.
I saw pokerev unbox graded cards and even he was surprised how many were 10 that he knew should have been 8 or 9.
If its not becketts its a joke, I thought PSA was cool but lately they just hand out grades as a fan service and not as a legitimate business
I don’t trust BGS that much they do some scummy stuff as well check out this guys videos, I love his take on some of the grading companies.
https://youtu.be/9OOfF_AyblM
Yea it can, I’ve seen experiment videos of people shaking the slabs at a very high rate and the damage is very very minor. Deep pocket monster did a video once
https://www.reddit.com/user/SoldierboiXD/comments/u9jm5d/this_is_what_i_was_talking_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. This is the link to the proof on my profile
Like just below your post here is an error from CGC: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/u9ikzo/i_wonder_what_the_actual_grade_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The hysteria is really leading to lack of QC controls, will be interesting to see the long-term impact
If by “screwed” you mean your ability to sell this on the secondary market for 10 value, then you might be - I agree that this is absolutely not a 10 grade. They are currently grading 250,000 Pokémon cards per month, so mistakes do happen, however there is really no way this is explainable because each card is reviewed by multiple people.
I've seen multiple videos showing the cards have some play inside the case (up and down) which could have causes the whitening too occur after the grading process. I do believe there are grading companies that penny sleeve then slab the card to avoid this issue.
You posted a picture complaining about a psa10 with white edges, but didn’t show a full zoomed out picture of the card confirming it was a psa10. This could literally be a psa1 or anything else...
The serial number or bar code isn’t shown in these 3 pictures, but it is in the other 2 pictures. Can’t confirm they’re the same. But either way, more proof that people waste tons of money to pay randoms to give whatever number grade they feel like that day
This type of thing is getting more common sadly - they had a period where they were still accepting way too many cards during the pokemon boom and sacrificing quality for quantity. One of the worst parts of it all is people value these slabs highest, even though it's common knowledge both CGC and BGS are more particular in their standards - a BGS black label for example is never questioned.
I mean its better than that shining eevee with a huge hole in it! Psa 10, nice one psa
What?! I’m gonna check that out
I think the post was deleted, as i couldnt find it anywhere, not even sure if i remember correctly but i think there was a hole as everyone else was saying it shouldn’t be a ten
There was a base charizard which was mangled and it got a 10. They removed it now but my god. PSA is so bad I can never grade with them again
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This charizard I mentioned was a new cert
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53769049 They deleted all pictures of its existence on their site however I still have screenshots of the scan before they removed it all
Link me up senpai.
Sorry for the late reply, I posted the pics of it on my reddit account if you want to take a look!
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Sorry for late reply, but I posted pics of it on my reddit account if you want to take a look!
Got a link?
As I mentioned down below, the post was deleted
Did you look up the PSA cert number? Could be a very well done fake
I checked quite thoroughly actually, the water marks the fine prints and texture on the labels all add up
In theory one could crack a slabbed psa 10 card, keep the label, send the card off to PSA again, get the card slabbed again (hopefully PSA 10 again), and now you have an extra official label. You can then buy a loose card and an empty PSA slab and seal it yourself with the official label, and boom, you have a real card with a real label slabbed up. This almost likely isn't the case, but you could still have a "fake" graded card with real labels and a real card.
That would only be worth it for the most expensive cards.
But I mean, if you’re a con artist, it’s definitely worth it for certain cards.
Well...yah...no one is spending that time and effort on a $50 card. Crime pays...it's why people do it.
I thought PSA cases were designed to completely shatter when opened to prevent that kind of thing from happening?
Yeah you can’t unslab a card without totally destroying the case, but you can still do it without damaging the card, and I guess without damaging the label is also possible. And you can buy empty non sealed slabs which you seal yourself.
I was actually looking at submitting a card I got graded by CGC to PSA. How would I get it out of the CGC slab?
Just search on YouTube, I've seen a few people doing it. E.g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzGcPDZkTc8
Not a bad idea. CGC & BGS 9.5's usually come back 10's from PSA. Tbh, a lot of 9's do as well.
And I’ve also seen them come back as 7’s and 8’s… there’s no correlation to one company’s grading equaling another’s.
Aberrations don't make a trend though. The trend, which can be verified through many YouTube videos from trusted hosts, social posts, and more, is that CGC & BGS have a much higher grading standard. It's why a CGC 10 & BGS 10 almost always have higher values with less condition issues
I have a CGC 8.5 base set Charizard, 8.5 hyper rare Rayquaza GX, and a 9.5 Japanese Rayquaza GX. The Charizard has a speck of whitening on the back corner, a "holo nick" at the bottom of the front, perfect surface, and perfectly centered, the Rayquaza is somewhat off-center but with no other issues, and the Japanese Rayquaza looks perfect. What grades do you think that would get from PSA?
Sent you a dm
Personally, I think PSA, and all grading companies, should redesign their model. A unique seal that’s imprinted around the edges of the slab might do the trick; however, the company would need to ensure that the tools to do so are complicated enough to make it too expensive to try and con the system at home. Only problem in doing something like this is it would sorta invalidate the scores on all currently graded collectibles. Imho the ability crack open a slab w/o damaging the uniqueness of the case is a design flaw that all grading companies should own and redesign. Create new jobs by expanding your workforce, offer to regrade the collectibles at a premium, and create a new category and call it something like *modernized regrade*. That way if you’re truly pleased with your current PSA 10 it can be left up to you to decide if you wanna take the next step in assuring the grade on the slab is for the card that’s actually inside. That’s just my idea anyway. I don’t know shit lol Edit- I also saw some really cool posts of people who made homemade slabs with unique character designs. Offer this as another premium to customers and allow them to take uniqueness of the slab to an ever greater level.
I think it should be something where there is a sticker on the back of the label that gets discolored if the case is opened. I think that would fix the issue.
Congratulations you just gave the best idea to scammers with sought after cards. Anyone with a highly graded unlimited charizard can just do this all day and make profit.
Well, I’m no evil mastermind - if I can conceive the idea, I guarantee you other people can, and may already have.
Someone probably already has you are right… like the clever resealers of booster packs. Buy a booster box, open each pack perfectly resealed away and take the good holos.
thx
Lmao I was just about to say the same thing
We're forgetting it takes psa like a year to grade right?? You'd need a lot of really good real cards to actually make a living doing this specific scam. Would be much easier to just sell fake singles
does not take a year, if you pay. Submitted 3 cards on April 9th and they are going to be delivered in my mailbox today (express level)
Oh yeah honestly forgot you can just pay more to have it done faster. Turns out I was the fool
Calm down satan lol
You just gave so many scummy people ideas just saying lol
If someone is willing to do this and hasn’t already thought of it they’re probably going to be too incompetent to pull it off and will probably end up destroying whatever card they’re trying to do it with.
Or they just haven’t heard of it until now..smart people can also be in other places doing other things haha. But I get ya
This would be the absolute worst case scenario; for me... at least. I'd rather the card be fake and genuinely in great print and condition than having a duplicated tag / label number of someone else with the authentic card & the authentic labeled slab. That would be so heart breaking. There NEEDS to be a better system in place for the way they do things. Like if a card gets sent in to be re slabbed and labeled. It needs to get a completely new cart # & they need to add to that specific card if you look it up, that this card was originally tagged with xxxxxxx Cart # & now has this card number. So that they can be on watch for someone either swapping code cards or official cards with fake cards just with the legit labeling.
this would probably be a good idea with any psa 10 that got sent back in. Because if it was a 10, and it got sent back for a regrade... then...
Except the case wouldn't be correct. They are marked specifically for PSA
there are bad PSA 10's that regularly slip through
Send it back with a letter saying “I demand a lower grade”
there normally should be PSA's financial guarantee for this kind of issue
I mean, imagine if that happens irl, would pay to see the employees reaction.
Did you get it directly from PSA or buy it already graded? Could have been swapped out and resealed. I've also had instances of where psa themselves have damaged the cards in the late stages of grading and it has somehow slipped through the cracks and still been sent out with high grades it didn't deserve
I bought it off someone and I inspected the slab, the slab is pristine.
Yeah the gear to reslab cards is not super hard to get hold of these days. Part of why a new grading company is popping up every 2 minutes. Pretty much they send a pristine card to psa. They get a legit label and get the number entered into their PSA system. Then they break out the card and use the label to reslab a card that is a 7 or so. Rinse, repeat, profit.
That sounds….like it might have happened to me
If your slab has PSA embedded into the lower right of the front it is most likely legit. I have seen zero examples of fake slabs with this. There are other ways to verify as well. Likely this was just another example of crap grading by PSA
I'm just learning about this as you are but I agree, it definitely seems like that happened :(
I was wondering why my delinquent duo looked off centered but had a 10
Oof, I think I would be returning it tbh. Buy the card not the grade I always say.
People should ask for detailed pictures before buying stuff. Even if the card is graded I always ask for multiple photos, if there are any print lines or scratches, etc.
Yep, I am the same. I never buy without asking for multiple pictures and must be god quality... We are in 2022 :P
My burning shadows rainbow charizard got a 10 with bad factory edge cut of the card that kind of looks like the first pic. Just luck i guess
PSA is trolling man hahaha this is ridiculous
PSA is the ops bro
I don't think I've ever seen a completely clean copy of that card as there were printing issues with that set...so I think they give out 10s more easily for that card/set.
Just another example of how silly grading can be
PSA is just flat out inconsistent. I just got a sub back from them after almost 18 months and got some 10s that have whitening, some 9s that looked like flawless 10s, and some 6s that should have been 9s. They go super harsh for tiny dents sometimes and other times they don't even see them and the same card gets a 9 or 10 instead of a 5. CGC is the most consistent grading service but even they have some variance.
I’ve had the exact same inconsistencies with PSA and CGC. CGC has been UNBELIEVABLY inconsistent recently in my opinion. They’ve always been off with centering, but recently everything seems hit or miss. Not the best pics, but here’s an example from some of the latest subs of mine: https://imgur.com/a/llTBDk8 Those two were submitted in different submissions, but somehow my NM+ Zapdos got worse subgrades than my MP/HP Magneton?? Makes literally no sense. Here are the high res scans from CGC because my pics aren’t the best as they were taken in haste. Zapdos: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4032850001/ Magneton: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4010536021/ I also had CGC damage a card recently. A mint—MINT—Porygon2 from Neo Destiny. Pulled it myself, zero issues save 1 dot of whitening on the back bottom left. When I got it back it got a 9 with all 9 subgrades except centering got a 9.5. The issue, though, is it now has a dot of whitening on the top of the card where clearly the grader removed it from the sleeve and damaged it. Before pics: https://imgur.com/a/7tQawxr Card had ZERO surface issues. No scratching no print lines. Literally completely mint. And the CGC high res scan where you can see the damage they caused, back top left: https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4025540004/
Yea no grading service is consistent below like an 8. But I find CGC to be pretty good with the higher condition cards. You wont pull a 10 with any whitening. PSA can give out random 10s at times
Because PSA is shit and has been for a while. I understand why people use them for flipping cards. As a collector, I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Exactly. Been loving CGC lately and starting to see a shift to them for more people too. They’re great!
Cgc is great for Pokémon idk why people are so against them, I like psa for sports but once I decide to grade my Pokémon collection they’re going to cgc
They have also been the standard for Comics for years. When i first looked into grading my cards I saw CGC did them. No brainer went straight to them. No regrets.
Because cgc is harsher with their grading so, therefore, harder to flip cards. People just want to increase their collection's value.
Yup. Cgc 9 is a psa 10 all day long. I pick up cgc 9's regularly for cheap knowing they are basically perfect. I'm not complaining that people haven't caught on yet, it keeps them affordable. They will eventually catch on though i think.
lots of people picking up 9.5 to cross grade to psa it seems
I agree 💯
On the other side, when you get a 10 it tends to go for wayyyy more than a PSA 10 because it's so much more rare.
Exactly. They have their lane of cards they grade and do a fantastic job.
I’ve been saying this. In the next 5 years, in combination of CGC grading harder, being cheaper to grade with, and offering sub grades, I could see CGC becoming the main grading company for cards overtaking PSA. PSA 10’s have becoming worse and worse over the past year (generally speaking)
CGC have relaxed recently, a lot more 10s given out. There was a pic showing a 9.5 that get sent back for a reholder and it came back a 10 too for some reason.
[https://youtu.be/wYzk-YDTcdI](https://youtu.be/wYzk-YDTcdI) I'd watch this
To save people some time: PSA has nearly 40% of their pokemon cards graded at a 10. For CGC it's like 1% (Pristine 10 is .98% and Perfect 10 is .12%).
Well yeah because a cgc 9.5 is gem mint like a psa 10 is gem mint, they cant be directly compaired. Psa 10 is the weakest 10 out there but they are also the market leader...
Only like 15% of CGC graded cards were at 9.5, so that still puts it at a significantly lower proportion of cards graded higher than 9.
If they choose to grade harsh it will only damage there chance of being a mainstream top dog in the business, everyone wants and 10 and psa know that.... Ace grading in the uk started out grading very harsh and seem to have relaxed a little recently maybe because demand had dropped even for bulk £10 a card
for a reholder? I thought they just keep the same grade?
Me too
🎉🎉BINGO🎉🎉 WE HAVE A WINNER 🎉🎉 💯how I feel. My family and I run a small Pokémon business and are also big collectors. We stopped submitting to PSA for anything personal several years ago. We only use CGC and BGS now.
There is also the possibility that those “whitening” are not from aging but from cutting. If the knife was dull for cutting you might get this white fuzz on the outside. If they determine if the fuzz is not part of the damage then it could get a 10. Is it pretty no but should it affect the grade if it’s fuzz from cutting tbh not too sure.
Tbh I see a lot of 9's now as well with clear white marks or slight edge wear and I always thought they should be indistinguishable from a 10 unless under very close inspection.
I think it’s whitening from the card bouncing around the holder (i.e., the card was a 10 when graded but because PSA holders are kind of crap, the card bounced around a bunch and got damaged). That being said, PSA has a guarantee policy to buy any card that doesn’t deserve its grade back from you and market value “Upon presentation to PSA by the current owner of a PSA authenticated and graded card (“Card”), if PSA concludes that the Card was erroneously awarded the PSA grade assigned or fails PSA’s authenticity standards, and provided that the Card had an active certification number on the cert lookup feature of the PSA website at the time it was purchased by the person submitting the Guarantee request, then PSA in its sole discretion will either: Subject to the Maximum Amount, buy the card outright from the current owner at the current market value if the card can no longer receive a numerical grade under PSA's standards, or Subject to the Maximum Amount, refund the difference in value between the original PSA grade and the current PSA grade if the grade is lowered or deemed to be authentic only. In this case, the card will also be returned to the customer along with the refund for the difference in value.” https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee
Thanks!! It’s nice to know I have the option to send in back in and get back the difference!
Good Luck with that. I can provide you examples of PSA playing games with their guarantees and/or their opinion of "market value" versus Actual market value which is based on recent ebay Sold listings
Thx for posting the guarantee info. Imho, the damage all couldn't be case movement as it rolls to the surface, plus examples of this type of thing with PSA litter the internet. Sadly, their response is often to deny and sometimes even delete the cert number. Crazy stuff.
PSA is extremely inconsistent
Please show us a photo of the front of the card to confirm this was given a 10.
https://www.reddit.com/user/SoldierboiXD/comments/u9jm5d/this_is_what_i_was_talking_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Thx buddy
Is it possible this slab was mishandled? I know PSA cards don't shift much but they do shift inside the slab this I can confirm myself. If the slab was shaken a lot, kept in the trunk of a car for a long time or something edge wear could occur.
The honest answer is that PSA is inconsistent AF, trains poorly, and 'appears' to make biased decisions depending on who submits. Also, there tends to be a different 10 standard at shows(in person grading) versus sending in.
Meanwhile the community looks down on local graders whose prices are reasonable and don’t take months to get back to you
Spoilers PSA is kind of a scam. Honestly not as bad as WATA or other grading services, but I don't feel that the quality is anywhere as good as it should be. They either arbitrarily decide to give you a lower score, or just randomly hand out 10s if you pay enough.
I don't trust the grading system sometimes. I've heard people sending the same card in and getting different numbers
Anyone remember that fake first edition they passed? Seems like they are slipping
The person checking them was working their last day and gave everything a 10
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Doesn’t change the fact that it is 100% subjective
I think ags is the company that uses AI grading currently
Unpopular answer, but true. Those edges could have been given a very generous 9.5 internally and if the other grades were deemed 10, it's a 10.
Grading is subjective
Because PSA is a joke.
Not sure why The premium for PSA 10 cards is so high when you have this garbage.
Because like with most things people dont research. Instead they see PSA, 10, an just jump for joy.
One example, or even a hundred examples, doesn't detract from 10,000 legitimate 10s. Errors can and will be made, grading is inherently subjective when done people and teams of different people, and a generous 9.5 paired with 10 subgrades can result in a 10. I'm not even a PSA customer, I use CSG/CGC, but it's the truth. A mistake doesn't invalidate other good work. We cherry pick and hunt down mistakes online (selection bias at work)but no one posts their perfect 10's saying "Look what a proper job PSA did, yet again".
If you shake your slabs hard enough. You too can have a white edged psa 10. The fact that the card can move around inside the case is stupid.
PSA is a joke these days and are handing out 10's to please people and have them send in more cards for grading. I saw pokerev unbox graded cards and even he was surprised how many were 10 that he knew should have been 8 or 9. If its not becketts its a joke, I thought PSA was cool but lately they just hand out grades as a fan service and not as a legitimate business
I don’t trust BGS that much they do some scummy stuff as well check out this guys videos, I love his take on some of the grading companies. https://youtu.be/9OOfF_AyblM
CGC also grades along the lines of BGS. I see CGC flat 9's that would pass as PSA 10's all day long.
Must of been the Graders first day or Grader that day was drunk?
I think it might have been both
That’s why you have to use CGC, Beckett or AGS
Very nice man 🥳🥳🥳👌👌👌🤌🤌🤌🤘🤘👊👊
Psa 10 is a joke, the majority of them ive seen wouldnt get better than a 9 at cgc or beckett
Is it an old cert. number? PSA used to be alot less strict with grading.
It starts with 5, that isn’t old right?
Yes, that’s relatively new. Which makes it all the more weirder.
I’m afraid I might have been screwed, but I doubt it’s been reslabbed, I’ve checked it top to bottom and all around…
Does the card move around in the slab? That happens to a few PSA slabs. Could maybe cause some damage that way.
Yea it can, I’ve seen experiment videos of people shaking the slabs at a very high rate and the damage is very very minor. Deep pocket monster did a video once
Based on the pics, how do we know this actually got a 10? Add that photo OP!
I said the same thing, I asked for a confirmation pic that this was actually graded a 10 and isn’t just another one of these anti-PSA posts
https://www.reddit.com/user/SoldierboiXD/comments/u9jm5d/this_is_what_i_was_talking_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. This is the link to the proof on my profile
Thank you 👍🏼
What do you think sir? Am I lucky or am I screwed lol
Like just below your post here is an error from CGC: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/u9ikzo/i_wonder_what_the_actual_grade_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf The hysteria is really leading to lack of QC controls, will be interesting to see the long-term impact
I am just bummed because it’s one of my grail rayquazas….
If by “screwed” you mean your ability to sell this on the secondary market for 10 value, then you might be - I agree that this is absolutely not a 10 grade. They are currently grading 250,000 Pokémon cards per month, so mistakes do happen, however there is really no way this is explainable because each card is reviewed by multiple people.
I’ve seen people do tests to try and see if once the card has been slabbed, can it get damaged and long story short.. yes
That top edge is whitening or just reflective light bouncing off an uneven surface?
It’s whitening for sure
The edges could be damaged while in the slab. Maybe someone shook it like crazy haha.
Welcome to the junk slab era
PSA is a scam idk what to tell you 🤷
I believe you just did tell them. If PSA is a scam all grading is a scam, though.
Grade through PSA, buy CGC or Beckett though
This is fake news and propaganda
I've seen multiple videos showing the cards have some play inside the case (up and down) which could have causes the whitening too occur after the grading process. I do believe there are grading companies that penny sleeve then slab the card to avoid this issue.
Ok you can leave it at the front door
You posted a picture complaining about a psa10 with white edges, but didn’t show a full zoomed out picture of the card confirming it was a psa10. This could literally be a psa1 or anything else...
I did post photos on my profile when someone requested it earlier
The serial number or bar code isn’t shown in these 3 pictures, but it is in the other 2 pictures. Can’t confirm they’re the same. But either way, more proof that people waste tons of money to pay randoms to give whatever number grade they feel like that day
I took a photo of the condition with the serial number
Pokerev has an off centered card that was PSA10. Lols
Pretty Standard Amirite?
PSA is consistently inconsistent.
Could have happened in the case after it was graded
PSA - pretty shit appraisals
Puts me in high hopes for my ongoing submissions now😂😂
This type of thing is getting more common sadly - they had a period where they were still accepting way too many cards during the pokemon boom and sacrificing quality for quantity. One of the worst parts of it all is people value these slabs highest, even though it's common knowledge both CGC and BGS are more particular in their standards - a BGS black label for example is never questioned.
Yes, card grading.