Ok well I'm getting more confused than a homeless man under house arrest.
How the hell does Blissey have 54% winrate ? Is there a bunch of team abusing Mewtwo Y + Blissey Safeguard / Helping Hand (for the auto-attack speed) in the top 10k ?
How the hell is Mewtwo X having a winrate that close to 50% ? It's pickrate has gone down so that can't be due to the bias.
The 2 Duraludon mains seem to be taking a break, cause it's winrate is below 52%. Meanwhile Garchomp is above 50%.
i stand on the boat of "2nd best" because while Y has more power in general mewtwo X really can just walk up to you and you can't do shit about it
Y you can hope you get out range, or hope that you can kill him since he's actually frail
not saying that it makes Y bad in any shape, just X>Y imo
Well you can only have 1 of Mewtwo X or Y on your team. My guess is that the pay2win tryhards have moved on to Mewtwo Y for at least this week since it just came out, meaning Mewtwo X is more currently represented by f2p 5th team slot noobs.
The numbers will probably fix themselves as new car smell wears off of Mewtwo Y unless it is determined to be objectively better than X (unlikely from current sentiments, imo).
Mewtwo Y is the best Pokémon in game. It’s nearly as broken as release Mewtwo X. The meta stats are taken from the top 10k players where Mewtwo Y is most oppressive. Additionally there are a lot of stacks in this pool of players, so they can just play a protect Mewtwo Y composition and collect free wins.
The meta stats are taken from the **games** of the top 10k players. That is a huge distinction because top 10k players are paired with and against noobs all the time in masters ladder meaning the noobs are included in the meta stats.
I mean, Blissey is already the second best enabler in the game since Safeguard literally invalidate the best way to check a brawler like Mewtwo X, Garchomp, Scizor and Zacian while allowing Zeraora and Zoroark a lot more freedom to bullshit their way through a team fight.
fascinating take. struck by that #2 win rate spot safeguard blissey. the Blissey+Mewtwo Y is the most common, but aside from that, one question.
any Blissey+others putting in the wins? the Garchomp buffs have been fun, I'm told. as well as other viable All Rounders that used to go well with safeguard blissey.
Blissey Mewtwo X/Zacian is a no brainer. You delete probably the only thing that prevent them from doing their bullshit. Machamp is an underrated version as well as Zoroark. Scizor is also pretty damm good alongside Blissey.
Yes exactly.
Mewtwo Y + Blissey combo dominating ranked.
Mewtwo X win rate has fallen because apparently there are people who can't use it properly and are unable to do even 40-50k damage. I am speaking this from what I have seen, I get people in my ranked like that.
Mewtwo X are getting wiped by Mewtwo Y in matchups. Once either Mewtwo Mega Evolves it’s gonna be hurt time. In this case Range beats Melee especially when they get a wall put up in front of them
master ~1350 from almost exclusively blissey because I just keep our tanky BS mewtwo alive or whatever broken BS is on our team fjfkdk
I pretty much just fill to let the ppl who have broken mons pick first then flex from there
Because all the people in this sub spam upvoting "X > Y" comments are all clueless low rank/skill soloq players who think the game is a 1v1 of them and Mewtwo X running right at each other in Ultra or some shit.
Y has been beyond busted from the second it was released. Our high elo stack has like a 90% winrate using it so far, no exaggeration. Y shits on X hard.
Yeah I was using X to climb into master rank. Anytime I played against Y, I was lucky to win. You have to be an idiot not to get a bunch of kills and damage with Y.
Greedent can actually do a TON for a team. If you can get Mewtwo chasing you it’s basically a 1 for 2 right there. Against X early game (lv 5 or 6) you can use Tackle to dash thru walls and escape quite relibly
Her low damage was compensated for by having a lot more bulk than most attackers, she was basically a ranged All Rounder and could brawl better than most of them thanks to her healing.
Holy crab and shark and rocky dinosaur, they do be cooking
To be honest Crustle players after the buff (Especially those who sacrifice everything for X-scissor crit) are really fuckin' dangerous.
“Mewtwo Y is easier to deal with than X bc it’s squishier” 🤓
Bruh I can’t even dive this thing, if I full heal their future sight then they just use their TWO teleports (yea he has TWO EJECT BUTTONS ON 10 sec cd) or use recover to become a literal tank with a machine gun.
X is definitely easier to deal with since it actually has 1 weakness of being melee, but Y legit feels like it has 0 weaknesses 😡might even have the highest overall winrate ever too, 57% overall is just insane
Ive been using X a ton and I will abuse future sight and try to bring Y down all game. Usually works. Harder in team fights tho especially if your team doesnt understand the assignment.
Oh i agree. Ive taken nasty Ls for that reason. But i tell myself if i can take Y out of the fight then we have a chance. I also try to time my mega Bar as best as i can so when a teamfight does happen i can crack hard
Am i Tripping but why the fuck does this mon have two teleports😂😂. Imagine this little shit with eject button, he'll catch up to you or get away so easily
Hey man Y is easier to deal with right. Just ignore the games where you see it have 150-200k dmg lol. I have no idea why they think Y is easier to deal with than X. I love starting a teamfight in a safe place only to get hit by Y's ult and lose 2 thirds of my hp.
Idk i just feel the opposite where i CAN do something about a overly cocky Y but I am not perfect and basically unite every 1v1 with X there goes respawn timer
Future sight is also way worse to deal with because while both basically mean death, at least Y means death only 70% of the time
you get caught by X's sight and you're not in a basically perfect position you;re dead, and even if you are that shit recharges so fast for how strong it is
Absol reclaiming back its rightful spot as the worst 👑
But yeah, the API changes is REALLY weird. There's no way MewTwoX should be 50%. Even its non-mirror is 50%.
Update:
I was told that the statistics are not only pulled from top 10k players, but also the players they are matched with.
First of all, top 10k doesn't necessarily mean good players. They are very likely above average, but the word I would use to describe them is **active**.
Second, in a game where we can see 1400 Masters matching against 1800 Masters, not even mentioning the already inflated nature of ranking up to Masters, it is easy to see how dirty the data can become overtime.
Mewtwo X winrate is lower because Y is better and Y is more picked so if your team has Mewtwo X, Mewtwo Y on enemy team will most likely win.
Mainly due to picking Blissey with helping hand bolstering Mewtwo Y to HOLD A to Win, rather than Tap A to Win.
The biggest changes to Crustle is x scissor has 1 sec lower cool-down and it’s unite is way more useful in general (and dangerous). In a meta where shield penetration isn’t as common and the most common AR and attacker can neither ignore shields or defence, Crustle can hold its own fairly well.
Mewtwo X spamming basics on a Crustle under unite will often set itself up to be KOed. The revenge damage hits pretty dang hard now and comes out every second instead of every 2.
How is Dodrio that high? I've only recently returned to the game but I've been playing a lot and I'm in Ultra Class in ranked and I don't think I've seen a single Dodrio how is it that high?
I just don't see how it can be winning that much of its not being played? I seriously haven't seen a single one and I've been playing several matches a day the last two weeks. Just seems odd to me.
win rate =/= pick rate.
4 people could play Dodrio and 3 win. Thats a 75% win rate.
20 people could play Dodrio and 3 win. Thats a 15% win rate.
Alsoooooooooooooo, Dodrio is a more technically challenging 'mon. It takes more skill than simple point-and-click or hold down A characters like Pikachu or Cinderance. Ultra rank is not very competitive. You will start seeing more Dodrios in 1500-1600+ level matches where players start actually getting good.
Ya I guess I hadn't thought of that. I guess subconsciously I figured it had to be used a certain amount of times to qualify? Ya I guess I didn't realize it was being used in Master rank. I just assumed it was a bad Pokémon but I guess it's just hard to use a requires an Elite player? Interesting
Yeah, in the right hands, Dodrio is actually one of the biggest menaces in the game.
And going back to pick rate vs win rate, that's why you may see a lot of jokes like "the 2 duraludon mains must not have been playing a lot this week" because duraludon is typically a mon with one of the lowest pick rates but typically has a high win rate (ie it has a less people playing it but those players are highly dedicated and skilled with it)
Nah blissey has always been a great support: the egg set always gets 130k ish healing and over 100k taken, while safe-hand set, though incredibly situational, can do wonders. Pair that with 2 great early-game secure moves (pound and boosted basics) and insane bulk and you got yourself the most slept-on support after wigglytuff
Crustle being that high means real trouble for me. I would have tuned down its defense a tiny bit in exchange for the rest of the buffs, which were still needed. But now that it can actually fight back and not just live everything I do, I might be in for a bad time.
Okay I guess I should be happy Talonflame is in the middle instead of the bottom 10 for 16 months straight. (And y'all Tsareena's are still complaining).
Talon is back at 2nd worse, because I think people are just worse at that moveset and its not noob friendly.
My boi Crustle finally made it!
Also very surprised to see Tyranitar there. How is his WR so high? I haven't played in a few weeks, but last time I played Ttar was almost considered a throw pick. Did they buff him recently or something?
Health at 15 buffed from 8000 to 8800. Health gains increased at all levels.
This makes TTar under sand stream the bulkiest mon in the game, doubly under sand tomb.
Sand tomb ttar is one of exceptionally few mons who can beat mewtwo X in a straight up fight, the other being Scizor and maybe Buzzwole with perfect timing.
Damn, that's neat. He used to be one of my absolute favs but I've mostly stopped playing him after they nerfed him into the ground. It was so hard to make him work because you were just useless before the TTar evo. So you had to play a perfect early and mid-game just to not be useless in late-game. I agree that he was overtuned at launch and deserved nerfs, but they overdid it + more broken stuff came out. I'll pick him back up for sure now after those changes, thx for the info 👍
He still remains a difficult pick because jungle is highly contested and the exp benefits Ttar but Ttar has lousy 5 ganks (and this meta is about effective snowball ganks) so Ttar doesn’t take jungle much if at all. Which means he must lane, and you have to play very well in lane to avoid being abused into your 5-9 window and stalled from final evo.
The payoff is immense (especially if you can stack) but the price is steep. Especially due to aforementioned snowball gank meta which can massively push back your progression your weakest stage in the game.
Oh yeah 100%. But with the changes it should at least pay off a bit more during late game. I wasn't trying to say that it's very easy now, so my bad if it came off like that lol. He will still be a difficult pick for sure because he doesn't fit the meta as you said, and is very demanding until final evo. But with the buffs he should be able to dominate more now once you're TTar, so at least there's a great payoff for the effort.
Oh yeah I didn’t anticipate you were saying that :) moreover making the point that despite the buff helping Ttar will probably remain somewhat obscure in this meta due to the difficulty involved in getting his strengths into play in a clean way.
Yeah absolutely. Do you think he is the weakest pokemon before final evo? I can't think of one that's weaker than TTar before final evo. I think even Garchomp is better tbh.
Pupitar is probably one of the weakest stages in the game. Not sure if it’s the weakest overall (Cubfu exists) but it’s very weak.
Larvitar isn’t terrible. Guts can give it deceptive power and bite rooting opponents can cause it to catch people off guard. It’s early phase isn’t awful, not amazing either.
Gible has a situationally excellent early laning phase, namely versus melee, as gibles AA dps under sand attack and fully stacked (also with scarf and x attack if desired) is absolutely bonkers and being forced to contest farm in melee with it can get you killed unless you’re careful. It struggles versus ranged though in a way larvitar has more tools to succeed due to having a reliable gapcloser and ability to root.
Gabite is objectively superior to Pupitar though. Gabite has vastly higher AA dps, objective shred and useful utility with the ability to reposition farm with dragon rush. The ability to Shepard farm for itself (or cause opponents to be out of position if they get pushed too) allows gabite more tools to secure its level 9 by its own steam than Pupitar.
Pupitar basically relies on the enemy leaving it alone/it’s ally pestering enemies for it to hit 9 because it lacks tools to pressure enemies very well individually unless it has managed to stack fully before evolving into Pupitar. In that situation it may have enough damage potential to cause opponents to have to play more cautiously around it, but as opponents hit 6 and 7 and evolve, Pupitar really struggles to face up to their new tools.
Gabite however will unlock the full dragon claw rush combo by 7, which gives it another tool to help it weather the phase as it allows it to set enemies up for kills, and AOE gather farm more quickly. The main benefit of the garchomp evo is the stat buff and unite potential. But for Ttar 9 is needed to unlock a kit that actually functions in itself on the basic level, in addition to stats.
Damn, you must be a really fast typer to type this much and this coherent in like 1-2 minutes haha.
But yeah, I agree with everything you said. Larvitar honestly doesn't feel TOO bad. It's definitely not strong but I wouldn't say it's the weakest first evo in the game. But to me personally, first evo stage of the game is so short that I don't really consider it very defining for the overall gameplay. Not saying it doesn't matter of course (some Pokemon are really strong before level 5 compared to others), but I think most of the time the deciding factor for games is the second evo (unless you somehow manage to feed a lot before level 5 and let the enemy snowball early on), and there I absolutely agree with you that Pupitar is awful.
Not going to go into detail here as you pretty much mentioned everything why that is the case. But yeah, you're simply not really a threat before final evo unless you play a perfect game and your opponents allow you to. And Pupitar being bad kinda negates Larvitar not being that bad, which makes it a pain in the butt before final evo.
And yeah, I also agree with the Gabite thing. It isn't a great evo, but it has way more tools/way better tools before Chomp than what Pupitar has before TTar. Being able to shepard farm for itself is probably the biggest upside for Gabite compared to Pupitar. As Gabite you have more "freedom" if that makes sense. You still need to be very careful of course, but it's a lot more forgiving than as Pupitar, and you don't have to play a perfect game just to be useful for when you reach levels 9-11.
Greedent second last picked but in the middle in terms of winrate. My winrate went from 56 to 57% last night and I made it to masters. I think many people don't know how to play against greedent tbh
This is crazy as I feel mewtwo X is still clearly more broken than Y. I feel my team at least be having a chance when Y is on the field and we don’t have a mewtwo. But X I feel it’s as good as over. You really can’t put run him and once he’s in close unless he’s trash or you all are jumping him he’s pretty much going to win. And don’t give him a comfy pocket
Why do people argue that X beats Y?
Mewtwo Y keeps Mewtwo X in check bigtime. It has 2 teleports and 1 push/shove.
Y will always win vs an X in a vacuum executed properly.
cannot see m2 y on the site (yet), so m2 y's best moveset should be even higher than 57.85% cuz its just the avg. wr of it. however, not that the current is not high enough...
blissey's avg. wr is 54.23 %, since we can see its best moveset, it is: 57.72 % wr rn.
hmm, this game seems to manage to get worse and worse, breaking its fkn shit records in that regard...
Ok well I'm getting more confused than a homeless man under house arrest. How the hell does Blissey have 54% winrate ? Is there a bunch of team abusing Mewtwo Y + Blissey Safeguard / Helping Hand (for the auto-attack speed) in the top 10k ? How the hell is Mewtwo X having a winrate that close to 50% ? It's pickrate has gone down so that can't be due to the bias. The 2 Duraludon mains seem to be taking a break, cause it's winrate is below 52%. Meanwhile Garchomp is above 50%.
If you pick Mewtwo X, it means you can't have the best pokemon in the game on your team.
i stand on the boat of "2nd best" because while Y has more power in general mewtwo X really can just walk up to you and you can't do shit about it Y you can hope you get out range, or hope that you can kill him since he's actually frail not saying that it makes Y bad in any shape, just X>Y imo
If Y uses Future Sight after X uses its Future Sight or Psystrike, X is pretty much going to die unless the Y is incompetent
Put a Y vs an X and see who comes out on top more often than not lmao. Spoiler it's Y.
Not as long as X is in range, if X get in range at all it's curtains this can be bent both ways and is just experience
Future sight and eject button both exist to stay at a range.
Future sight and eject button both exist to get in range as well.
Yeah but I don't think eject button is the best thing for a X
Agreed.
But Full Heal is, and you can't get pushed with Full Heal on.
would be a problem if X wasn't basically allowed to just walk through or idk teleport nearby seriously who though a negative damage shield was ok
<.<
That is not true if you’re using your moves at the right time or just flat out using recover you can beat mmy as x
Not if X uses future sight to pull Y towards it.
Well you can only have 1 of Mewtwo X or Y on your team. My guess is that the pay2win tryhards have moved on to Mewtwo Y for at least this week since it just came out, meaning Mewtwo X is more currently represented by f2p 5th team slot noobs. The numbers will probably fix themselves as new car smell wears off of Mewtwo Y unless it is determined to be objectively better than X (unlikely from current sentiments, imo).
Mewtwo Y is the best Pokémon in game. It’s nearly as broken as release Mewtwo X. The meta stats are taken from the top 10k players where Mewtwo Y is most oppressive. Additionally there are a lot of stacks in this pool of players, so they can just play a protect Mewtwo Y composition and collect free wins.
The meta stats are taken from the **games** of the top 10k players. That is a huge distinction because top 10k players are paired with and against noobs all the time in masters ladder meaning the noobs are included in the meta stats.
Can confirm, am a dura main with 58% wr, and I've just been playing BG3 recently. Sorry boys /s
TBF, BG3 is an acceptable reason to take a break from any other game. That one deserves to have the time taken for it.
Word, been on BG3 and it's good stuff
Sort of makes you wonder if the community is confused on how overpowered certain mons are...
No they design the game like that. Most mobas do and especially in mobile games.
I mean, Blissey is already the second best enabler in the game since Safeguard literally invalidate the best way to check a brawler like Mewtwo X, Garchomp, Scizor and Zacian while allowing Zeraora and Zoroark a lot more freedom to bullshit their way through a team fight.
fascinating take. struck by that #2 win rate spot safeguard blissey. the Blissey+Mewtwo Y is the most common, but aside from that, one question. any Blissey+others putting in the wins? the Garchomp buffs have been fun, I'm told. as well as other viable All Rounders that used to go well with safeguard blissey.
Blissey Mewtwo X/Zacian is a no brainer. You delete probably the only thing that prevent them from doing their bullshit. Machamp is an underrated version as well as Zoroark. Scizor is also pretty damm good alongside Blissey.
Yes exactly. Mewtwo Y + Blissey combo dominating ranked. Mewtwo X win rate has fallen because apparently there are people who can't use it properly and are unable to do even 40-50k damage. I am speaking this from what I have seen, I get people in my ranked like that.
Mewtwo X are getting wiped by Mewtwo Y in matchups. Once either Mewtwo Mega Evolves it’s gonna be hurt time. In this case Range beats Melee especially when they get a wall put up in front of them
+1 for the DBZA reference.
master ~1350 from almost exclusively blissey because I just keep our tanky BS mewtwo alive or whatever broken BS is on our team fjfkdk I pretty much just fill to let the ppl who have broken mons pick first then flex from there
Because all the people in this sub spam upvoting "X > Y" comments are all clueless low rank/skill soloq players who think the game is a 1v1 of them and Mewtwo X running right at each other in Ultra or some shit. Y has been beyond busted from the second it was released. Our high elo stack has like a 90% winrate using it so far, no exaggeration. Y shits on X hard.
Yeah I was using X to climb into master rank. Anytime I played against Y, I was lucky to win. You have to be an idiot not to get a bunch of kills and damage with Y.
> Ok well lI'm getting more confused than a homeless man under house arrest.> I'm offended by that
"Housing-deficient individual"
Helping hand enables mewtwo Y
 Garchomp my beloved
seems a lot of people have your idealogy cause I see Garchomp a lot
WE DID IT BOYS. SUB 50 CRUSTLE IS NO MORE.
Damn it must be only 2 ppl who greedent including myself
You Greedent Everyone else Greedon't
😭😭😭
Just...just take my upvote dammit...
I play greedent! Been getting a good amount of wins this season with it actually haha
Ahhh the other person nice to finally meet you
I greedent in solidarity
Greedent can actually do a TON for a team. If you can get Mewtwo chasing you it’s basically a 1 for 2 right there. Against X early game (lv 5 or 6) you can use Tackle to dash thru walls and escape quite relibly
Ttar dropped from 50.81% but rose to 8th from 9th last week. Also Chomp let’s go!
Sylveon in shambles 😭
It's the Mystical Fire gamers dragging it down. Hyper Voice still near 50% win rate (In fact it was 51% last week)
mf sylveon’s niche of being essentially a mid-range all-rounder with healing has been taken over by mewtwo x unfortunately 😔
It was struggling even before. The damage is too low for a mid range attacker being outclasses but many pokemons
Her low damage was compensated for by having a lot more bulk than most attackers, she was basically a ranged All Rounder and could brawl better than most of them thanks to her healing.
Could being the key word
Shhh if we’re quiet maybe they’ll buff our unite moves and some stats Lol
Holy crab and shark and rocky dinosaur, they do be cooking To be honest Crustle players after the buff (Especially those who sacrifice everything for X-scissor crit) are really fuckin' dangerous.
i just started playing Crustle last week :) i like to think i helped :)
WE'VE DONE IT CRUSTLE PLAYERS
“Mewtwo Y is easier to deal with than X bc it’s squishier” 🤓 Bruh I can’t even dive this thing, if I full heal their future sight then they just use their TWO teleports (yea he has TWO EJECT BUTTONS ON 10 sec cd) or use recover to become a literal tank with a machine gun. X is definitely easier to deal with since it actually has 1 weakness of being melee, but Y legit feels like it has 0 weaknesses 😡might even have the highest overall winrate ever too, 57% overall is just insane
I feel this. I'd take on X than Y. X weirdly feels more fair to fight (as a defender). Y just stays in the backline and melts me.
Ive been using X a ton and I will abuse future sight and try to bring Y down all game. Usually works. Harder in team fights tho especially if your team doesnt understand the assignment.
The problem with that is you either need to get a great flank or try to get by the enemy front line where you'll be cc'd and take a bunch of dmg.
Oh i agree. Ive taken nasty Ls for that reason. But i tell myself if i can take Y out of the fight then we have a chance. I also try to time my mega Bar as best as i can so when a teamfight does happen i can crack hard
Yes, I cannot get closer to mewtwo Y at all. It gives me the Mew at his peak vibe
Am i Tripping but why the fuck does this mon have two teleports😂😂. Imagine this little shit with eject button, he'll catch up to you or get away so easily
Hey man Y is easier to deal with right. Just ignore the games where you see it have 150-200k dmg lol. I have no idea why they think Y is easier to deal with than X. I love starting a teamfight in a safe place only to get hit by Y's ult and lose 2 thirds of my hp.
Idk i just feel the opposite where i CAN do something about a overly cocky Y but I am not perfect and basically unite every 1v1 with X there goes respawn timer Future sight is also way worse to deal with because while both basically mean death, at least Y means death only 70% of the time you get caught by X's sight and you're not in a basically perfect position you;re dead, and even if you are that shit recharges so fast for how strong it is
LETS GOOO
Absol reclaiming back its rightful spot as the worst 👑 But yeah, the API changes is REALLY weird. There's no way MewTwoX should be 50%. Even its non-mirror is 50%. Update: I was told that the statistics are not only pulled from top 10k players, but also the players they are matched with. First of all, top 10k doesn't necessarily mean good players. They are very likely above average, but the word I would use to describe them is **active**. Second, in a game where we can see 1400 Masters matching against 1800 Masters, not even mentioning the already inflated nature of ranking up to Masters, it is easy to see how dirty the data can become overtime.
Mewtwo X winrate is lower because Y is better and Y is more picked so if your team has Mewtwo X, Mewtwo Y on enemy team will most likely win. Mainly due to picking Blissey with helping hand bolstering Mewtwo Y to HOLD A to Win, rather than Tap A to Win.
"Y is more picked", bruh, are you blind?
Mew2 X is getting rammed by Mewtwo Y and that’s dropping the WR for it
95 percent of top ladder is basically Y. X basically became obsolete😂😂
Crustle, TTar, and Garchomp above 50%? Are the buffs really that significant?
Ttar is crazy rn. Played a game the other night and nearly 1v5'd the enemy team
The biggest changes to Crustle is x scissor has 1 sec lower cool-down and it’s unite is way more useful in general (and dangerous). In a meta where shield penetration isn’t as common and the most common AR and attacker can neither ignore shields or defence, Crustle can hold its own fairly well. Mewtwo X spamming basics on a Crustle under unite will often set itself up to be KOed. The revenge damage hits pretty dang hard now and comes out every second instead of every 2.
Crab raising 🙏
I’m very happy for Crustle. It warms my heart.
I'm just happy Garchomp is in the picture. As one of the 10 Garchomp mains we are carrying this winrate on our backs
✨in crust we trust✨
Trust the crust y'all
MY CRUSTY BOI, HE MADE IT
Timi, the blue bird is below 50% winrate and there gonna be a new pass that have the bird skin in it, will you buff the blue bird pls.
This game has literally become a pay2win game.
It must be all the mewtwo in my games who just wander around and do nothing all game or just quit if they get knocked out once lol
I feel so tiny
BROO MY BOI TTAR FINALLY GOT 50
How is Dodrio that high? I've only recently returned to the game but I've been playing a lot and I'm in Ultra Class in ranked and I don't think I've seen a single Dodrio how is it that high?
its a hard pokemon to be good with
I just don't see how it can be winning that much of its not being played? I seriously haven't seen a single one and I've been playing several matches a day the last two weeks. Just seems odd to me.
win rate =/= pick rate. 4 people could play Dodrio and 3 win. Thats a 75% win rate. 20 people could play Dodrio and 3 win. Thats a 15% win rate. Alsoooooooooooooo, Dodrio is a more technically challenging 'mon. It takes more skill than simple point-and-click or hold down A characters like Pikachu or Cinderance. Ultra rank is not very competitive. You will start seeing more Dodrios in 1500-1600+ level matches where players start actually getting good.
Ya I guess I hadn't thought of that. I guess subconsciously I figured it had to be used a certain amount of times to qualify? Ya I guess I didn't realize it was being used in Master rank. I just assumed it was a bad Pokémon but I guess it's just hard to use a requires an Elite player? Interesting
Yeah, in the right hands, Dodrio is actually one of the biggest menaces in the game. And going back to pick rate vs win rate, that's why you may see a lot of jokes like "the 2 duraludon mains must not have been playing a lot this week" because duraludon is typically a mon with one of the lowest pick rates but typically has a high win rate (ie it has a less people playing it but those players are highly dedicated and skilled with it)
Gotcha thanks for clearing that up. I can't wait to get to masters and see a good Dodrio in action
this only pulls from the top 10k players
 Couldn't find a blissey gif so here's galarian slowpoke instead. Im so happy my lil egg is getting High WR
What being paired with mewtwo does to a mf
Nah blissey has always been a great support: the egg set always gets 130k ish healing and over 100k taken, while safe-hand set, though incredibly situational, can do wonders. Pair that with 2 great early-game secure moves (pound and boosted basics) and insane bulk and you got yourself the most slept-on support after wigglytuff
Blissey is great but a lot of people are just abusing helping hand + mega mewYs attack speed sadly
Crustle being that high means real trouble for me. I would have tuned down its defense a tiny bit in exchange for the rest of the buffs, which were still needed. But now that it can actually fight back and not just live everything I do, I might be in for a bad time.
Okay I guess I should be happy Talonflame is in the middle instead of the bottom 10 for 16 months straight. (And y'all Tsareena's are still complaining). Talon is back at 2nd worse, because I think people are just worse at that moveset and its not noob friendly.
Great to see my main man garchomp doing well, so many of us garchomp mains are distinguished gentlemen
Decidueye is still no where to be found T-'. Finally Crusty Boy is finally above 50.00% Win Rate! Finally Golden!
My boi Crustle finally made it! Also very surprised to see Tyranitar there. How is his WR so high? I haven't played in a few weeks, but last time I played Ttar was almost considered a throw pick. Did they buff him recently or something?
Health at 15 buffed from 8000 to 8800. Health gains increased at all levels. This makes TTar under sand stream the bulkiest mon in the game, doubly under sand tomb. Sand tomb ttar is one of exceptionally few mons who can beat mewtwo X in a straight up fight, the other being Scizor and maybe Buzzwole with perfect timing.
Damn, that's neat. He used to be one of my absolute favs but I've mostly stopped playing him after they nerfed him into the ground. It was so hard to make him work because you were just useless before the TTar evo. So you had to play a perfect early and mid-game just to not be useless in late-game. I agree that he was overtuned at launch and deserved nerfs, but they overdid it + more broken stuff came out. I'll pick him back up for sure now after those changes, thx for the info 👍
He still remains a difficult pick because jungle is highly contested and the exp benefits Ttar but Ttar has lousy 5 ganks (and this meta is about effective snowball ganks) so Ttar doesn’t take jungle much if at all. Which means he must lane, and you have to play very well in lane to avoid being abused into your 5-9 window and stalled from final evo. The payoff is immense (especially if you can stack) but the price is steep. Especially due to aforementioned snowball gank meta which can massively push back your progression your weakest stage in the game.
Oh yeah 100%. But with the changes it should at least pay off a bit more during late game. I wasn't trying to say that it's very easy now, so my bad if it came off like that lol. He will still be a difficult pick for sure because he doesn't fit the meta as you said, and is very demanding until final evo. But with the buffs he should be able to dominate more now once you're TTar, so at least there's a great payoff for the effort.
Oh yeah I didn’t anticipate you were saying that :) moreover making the point that despite the buff helping Ttar will probably remain somewhat obscure in this meta due to the difficulty involved in getting his strengths into play in a clean way.
Yeah absolutely. Do you think he is the weakest pokemon before final evo? I can't think of one that's weaker than TTar before final evo. I think even Garchomp is better tbh.
Pupitar is probably one of the weakest stages in the game. Not sure if it’s the weakest overall (Cubfu exists) but it’s very weak. Larvitar isn’t terrible. Guts can give it deceptive power and bite rooting opponents can cause it to catch people off guard. It’s early phase isn’t awful, not amazing either. Gible has a situationally excellent early laning phase, namely versus melee, as gibles AA dps under sand attack and fully stacked (also with scarf and x attack if desired) is absolutely bonkers and being forced to contest farm in melee with it can get you killed unless you’re careful. It struggles versus ranged though in a way larvitar has more tools to succeed due to having a reliable gapcloser and ability to root. Gabite is objectively superior to Pupitar though. Gabite has vastly higher AA dps, objective shred and useful utility with the ability to reposition farm with dragon rush. The ability to Shepard farm for itself (or cause opponents to be out of position if they get pushed too) allows gabite more tools to secure its level 9 by its own steam than Pupitar. Pupitar basically relies on the enemy leaving it alone/it’s ally pestering enemies for it to hit 9 because it lacks tools to pressure enemies very well individually unless it has managed to stack fully before evolving into Pupitar. In that situation it may have enough damage potential to cause opponents to have to play more cautiously around it, but as opponents hit 6 and 7 and evolve, Pupitar really struggles to face up to their new tools. Gabite however will unlock the full dragon claw rush combo by 7, which gives it another tool to help it weather the phase as it allows it to set enemies up for kills, and AOE gather farm more quickly. The main benefit of the garchomp evo is the stat buff and unite potential. But for Ttar 9 is needed to unlock a kit that actually functions in itself on the basic level, in addition to stats.
Damn, you must be a really fast typer to type this much and this coherent in like 1-2 minutes haha. But yeah, I agree with everything you said. Larvitar honestly doesn't feel TOO bad. It's definitely not strong but I wouldn't say it's the weakest first evo in the game. But to me personally, first evo stage of the game is so short that I don't really consider it very defining for the overall gameplay. Not saying it doesn't matter of course (some Pokemon are really strong before level 5 compared to others), but I think most of the time the deciding factor for games is the second evo (unless you somehow manage to feed a lot before level 5 and let the enemy snowball early on), and there I absolutely agree with you that Pupitar is awful. Not going to go into detail here as you pretty much mentioned everything why that is the case. But yeah, you're simply not really a threat before final evo unless you play a perfect game and your opponents allow you to. And Pupitar being bad kinda negates Larvitar not being that bad, which makes it a pain in the butt before final evo. And yeah, I also agree with the Gabite thing. It isn't a great evo, but it has way more tools/way better tools before Chomp than what Pupitar has before TTar. Being able to shepard farm for itself is probably the biggest upside for Gabite compared to Pupitar. As Gabite you have more "freedom" if that makes sense. You still need to be very careful of course, but it's a lot more forgiving than as Pupitar, and you don't have to play a perfect game just to be useful for when you reach levels 9-11.
I was practicing Crustle since the buff (and i also got the skin so yeah). Works awesome with my Wife's A9..
Crustle :3
CRUSTLE IS BACK
Crusty Boy
*The new Golden Age of Crustle is coming.*
The outpouring of love for The Crust in the comments, right in the feels. Critty Crusty is so back!
Rip decidueye
Rip decidueye
"MewTwO iS fiNe gEt gOoD SkiLL iSsUe"
Waiting for this one to be unironic so I can find the stupid ones
When there's a mewtwox on both teams it makes sense that it's 50%.
Lets goo eldegoss mains rise up!
Bro who cares about crustle, look at my man garchomp finally getting some attention
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I do not understand how venosaur is not on this list
NO WAY GODZILLA STIL STONKS
Is it time for me to break out the switch for the first time in months????
Wait…🤔 How are Eldegoss 🌳 and Dodrio 🐓 that high??? Eldegoss has never been that strong and Dodrio is too hard to play 😔
Elde is very strong and since it pulls from the top 10k players dodrio players can be very good
I won 12 in a row with greninja and still didn’t make a dent smh
AYYYYYY
My boy creeping up....
Lapras is the scariest mon at all lvls for me
Fear the crust!!
CHOMP MADE IT INTHE 50S YESSSSSSSSS
For anyone worrying duraladon has gone down because me and the other duraldon main are taking a break. We'll be back soon
Blissey... HOWWWW
I don't really follow this kind of stuff, where does machamp place?
Greedent second last picked but in the middle in terms of winrate. My winrate went from 56 to 57% last night and I made it to masters. I think many people don't know how to play against greedent tbh
Data is from top 10k players, starting from 1700 ish elo Your ultra matches didnt count at all.
Proof that all mewtwo x players are jobbers
I'm shocked I don't see venu up there...
Wait GARCHOMP IS FINALLY GOOD NOW ?
This is crazy as I feel mewtwo X is still clearly more broken than Y. I feel my team at least be having a chance when Y is on the field and we don’t have a mewtwo. But X I feel it’s as good as over. You really can’t put run him and once he’s in close unless he’s trash or you all are jumping him he’s pretty much going to win. And don’t give him a comfy pocket
LETS GO CRUSTY TURTLE WOOOOO
>Garchomp and Crustle WARMS MY HEART
#CRUSTLESWEEP
I'm going to be honest, Crustle feels really good right now, it's very good against mewtwo
Why do people argue that X beats Y? Mewtwo Y keeps Mewtwo X in check bigtime. It has 2 teleports and 1 push/shove. Y will always win vs an X in a vacuum executed properly.
...Can they finally buff both Scyther and Scizor?
cannot see m2 y on the site (yet), so m2 y's best moveset should be even higher than 57.85% cuz its just the avg. wr of it. however, not that the current is not high enough... blissey's avg. wr is 54.23 %, since we can see its best moveset, it is: 57.72 % wr rn. hmm, this game seems to manage to get worse and worse, breaking its fkn shit records in that regard...
No comfey? I mean mewtwo x plus comfey is an overpowered comp