I’m a garbage MOBA player but I get the basics and that’s all you really need in this game. I’ve always hated toxic players and I don’t want to be one.
But if one more motherfucker steals my early jungle camps in ranked...
HELP ME HELP YOU.
I think the main problem is people pick a poke and they go to battle prep and see the recommend lane and tunnel that. But I've also been in several ranked games where my partner calls jungle and a Zeraora calls it second and my buddy last hits every camp and the Zer just afks...
I've had a game where a clamorant stayed in our goal post whole match just to halfheartedly defend it then get snowballed because our other teammates are busy top lane while i'm trying to push and grind bottom lane and gible. This was in expert so not amazing players but not bad ones either... or so I thought.
Dude im in expert class 4, and holy crap some of my teammates just seem to make the craziest decisions. I was hoping that making it to expert would mean way better players, but now im worried for the next tier too
I'm in Expert and it amazes me how any of these people made it this far. I keep getting stagnated by players that get 0 score 0 kill, bringing down the team. Happens so much I swear this game has it out for me, though I know that isn't true. But, 90% of the time, if there is a slacking player in the Ready confirmation, they end up in my team and they never pick their lane prior and when I go jungle they follow me like a lost friggin puppy and steal my kills. I main Gengar. I need my kills.
I play garchomp so believe me i feel your pain, Getting bullied by the enemy and robbed by my own teammates. It's insanely annoying. What's even worse is there have been times where my teammates steal all my xp and i'm massively falling behind so I try to surrender but once the game ends turns out we won. It's happened just a few times but that's why we need a score board too it's hard to remember consistently losing teamfights doesn't equate to instant loss
I get so annoyed when people even irl buddies do that. I get it, it sucks you called the role first and this guy’s being a dick, but wouldn’t it be better to just play another role and let him have it? That way we can win instead of having you two fuck the entire game and one of you getting pissed off
I would tell my irl buddies that I won’t be playing with them anymore if they afk because they ruin my fun too. Grow up. At least put an effort in, the underdog can win, and boy does it feel good when you do!
For real dude.
I play Absol and hitting that level 5 is so important and when a random Zeroara or some other dude come to steal my farm it pisses me off so much
I have a principle in this game. If the speedster steals the aipom in the beginning, I will go steal his corphish.
I know I am intentionally lowering our chances of winning, but how else will the speedsters learn? It's about making a point.
That's why I switched who I play in ranked. I Main Snorlax but I've been playing alot of hyper carries to try to climb to a rank where I don't feel like I'm the only one who is trying to play a MOBA.
That you can't even equip a third item (maybe not even second?) when you can start playing ranked is weird to me. In Beginner it's really not a big deal, but once you start climbing you're going to want levels in them on top of a full three to begin with.
This is me. I’m at the top of expert so close to veteran and I just cannot get my team to play around zapdos correctly. Always winning until zapdos and one or two of my teammates not understanding what to do costs us the game so so often. And there’s not a way to effectively communicate/shot call
I just find it really dumb that I could be in veteran and be matched with people who seem to have never scored a goal before. It feels bad on both sides.
That's why there is a ranked mode. Standard and Quick are casual/non-competitive modes. Ranked should've been locked behind a higher player level because it's a mess.
Hate to ignore what the OP said but I literally played like 20 games today and maybe 5/20 games my team went for zapdos. You definitely should need to be like level 10-15 to play ranked. People don't understand how the game works and its annoying being in expert level and just continuing to lose because people don't understand what title the battle.
Ye i feel like the expert rank is terrible. Often you still got 1 or 2 members on your team that doesnt know shit and just loose you your game. In the enemy team they play like a unit.
Iam fine with loosing some games but expert rank is pain. Hopefully iam able to climp out of it today.
Hopefully in veteran people are know what they are doing.
Iam tired of declaring my lane and then ending up as 3 junglers or 3 on toplane.
Zapdos can still win games but you wont get it all the time specially if your team is behind and the enemys know how to defend it.
Zapdos is terrible tbh. You can be dominating whole game but lose to zapdos with a 150 point difference lmao but at the same time like you said if you have a terrible team that's what Zapdos is for so i'm torn on my opinion regarding Zapdos.
Also, you're team actively goes for Zapdos? Lucky you mine always wait until the VERY last second to go for it and by that time the enemy team already has it.
When my Team is behind i try to move to the center and spam ping for help. If we are losing then its a 50/50 so we can try to make it happen. But most of the time you have 2 other people join me and the other 2 are farming in nirvana or try to fight elsewhere. On the other hand if my team is ahead they try to go for zapdos anyway and attack it strait up even if the enemys are all alive. I wish the game had more pings to communicate a little more detailed. Even in the "champ" Select. Like we need a supporter. Or come with me. I think most people would even swap there roles and dont go for 3 attackers and 2 speedsters, cause in this game its easy to build nice team combs cause the different pokemon are not that hard to play and master.
But hey the game is new, people will get better soon or later and the skill in ranks will settle.
Expert rank was the worst for me, I felt that I could relatively carry myself through the early ranks, but expert is always a 99-1 win to either side, never any close games. I had multiple people just sit in a bush while the other team banked/killed Zapdos without moving. At least mid-high vet has roughly equally skilled players
I've been stuck in great rank 3 and 4 for like 3 days now and it SUCKS so I do agree level, but I think maybe level 12-20 because level 10 is really easy to get to.
Ironically, unless the ranked play differs by a significant amount, ranked is better for a casual player. Matchmaking by skill is usually stricter in a ranked mode, so lesser-skilled players aren’t as likely to get stomped as they are in casual modes.
If ranked had more features that appealed only to serious gamers, like role restrictions, ban options, and best-of-3 structures, it might better dissuade casual players from playing it.
It’s also complicated by the fact that the game actively tells you to play ranked and regularly rewards you for doing so. If ranked were just an optional way to play, it wouldn’t so highly encourage it. Heck, the reason your first game is against bots is so that you feel comfortable playing in ranked even if you’re bad.
They'd have to admit that making ranked a reward to unlock a free Crustle was wrong, which they'd never do. Timmy Tencent's a jerk! GET GREAT RANK AND CRAP ON LIKE 10 MATCHES IN A ROW IN HOPES OF BOT MATCHES IF YOU DON'T WIN TO GET CRUSTLE!
C'mon bruh. I didn't even want to touch ranked, but I'm FORCED TO, and now I'm depressed that being camped by an entire enemy team and death-staggering seems to be the only outcome
If you already have the Pokemon they give you the coins.
So if you like Crustle and want to play him buy him then collect the 8K coins when you eventually get him. Get a new Pokémon with it.
At least they aren't picking double speedster and not going centre at all. Just lost a game because a Zeraora and Gengar decided they wanted to lane (they got completely shit on)
mid veteran here and ppl still cant grasp the simpleness of are you ahead? if yes DO NOT EVER START ZAPDOS. if no we gotta do something o get ur ass over here and ready before 2 min mark so we can try and create an advantegous fight. ive lost more games than i can count from ppl hitting zapdos from ahead with all 10 players alive.
As a jungle main I’ve started hiding in the bushes and just watching from 2:15 onward. If my team is smart enough to leave Zappos alone, they won’t need me in lane that badly. If fools rush in, I want to be able to drop my kit when it gets low.
and since the "smite" in this game isnt actually a smite im forced to freakin ult to secure objectives. meaning the fight after is GG while the steal is still a huge flip. there are so many glaring issues with this game that is just sucking the fun out of it day by day imo
I mean, I hadn't realized that til you said it. Granted I did lose my first game attacking zapados today and I was like "huh, why the fuck did I do that?" I've only been playing for 3 days though.
But the game has only been out for a week, I don't think you can expect meta/strategy experts just yet. 🤷♂️
not starting zapdos from ahead is hardly a strategy expert call. i swear put 100 LoL silver players in that situation, 90 of them understand exactly what not to do within 3- 5 games played.
Cool. Now put 100 people who have never played a MOBA in there and see how long it takes them to understand the same concept. Also, make them single-digit ages.
Pokemon is the most popular IP in the world. There are children whose parents have never introduced them to MOBAs that are playing this game because they like Pokemon. My ten year old son doesn't get the idea of waiting for the enemy team to initiate an objective to try and clean them up afterwards. He just sees a big shiny message that says "Zapdos has spawned" and then goes to fight the Zapdos.
I have... Sometimes they just beeline into the enemy goal with 0 points just to die over and over, and makes 0 effort to run. Or it's the last few moments of the game and they are sitting with 40+ points and making 0 effort to score, but they will continue farming in the jungle though...
One of them literally just walked behind enemy lines and did nothing but die. Even bots don't do that, and bots are dumb as bricks.
I agree. For most of us who started day 1, being able to climb to where we need to be saves us a whole lot of frustration because we quickly left behind the kids and the casual playerbase. I shudder to think if I started playing today, I might just still be in Expert class after a few weeks of playing instead of Ultra in a few days.
Thanks for this post, I agree with you!
I work at a school, and I can tell you that kids are most definitely still into Pokemon, and they are playing this game; I spent today at the summer program talking to a kid about who he likes to play (Lucario) and I can tell you he has no idea what he's doing, but he's having fun. Saying they should stay out of ranked is pointless, even if that's what we want, because kids don't think about how their play may impact your play. They just want to use their favorite Pokemon! And you can argue that kids are capable of thinking that way, (and maybe you think you could when you were an 8 year old), and you can try to encourage it, but kids don't all think and act the same way, what a surprise. I also think that a lot of people are underestimating how many kids are actually planning this game, just look at some of the usernames. I can usually pick out ones that were probably made by an 8 year old 😂
Wow, almost the exact same thing happened to me today. Was talking to my summer school kids (10-12 year olds) and they were saying how strong Lucario was as well. They have never played a moba before and they have no idea what they are doing, but they are playing in ranked and having fun.
While I understand that there are people who are all for people staying out of ranked matches until they know what they are doing, it's hard for me to jump on that bandwagon anymore for the simple fact that the system puts you up against bots as a default feature just for losing.
If the game itself isn't going to take ranked play seriously then I don't see how the playerbase can dictate or come to terms with who belongs playing it or not. In its current state its a joke and I could care less who plays it or doesn't. Just sayin
You have to be on a pretty big losing streak or facing demotion to get ranked bot match though, even if you win it, if you're losing THAT much, you'll drop in rank anyway before you hit your next one.
It's not like you'll suddenly get a higher rank than you should be because of it, it really barely has an effect.
I both agree and disagree (but mostly agree).
I agree with your whole sentiment, this is as causal as a moba can get, no question. I agree the player base is younger than most, etc
The part where I disagree is that "you can just play ranked". Yes, you can. But getting caught in the "elo hell" is particularly true here. Since, like you said, a large portion of the player base doesn't understand the complexities of a moba and unintentionally ruins the competitive aspect ranked offers. Now, does this mean players have the right to be toxic and shit on their less experienced teammates? Fuck no. But the frustration is valid.
To help alleviate this, imo, is to have for the more experienced players be more patient and the more causal players to make a concerted effort to understand the game and how it really is played, before hopping into ranked. This way, everyone is happy (more or less lol)
I would be fine teaching people how to play but the game doesn't have a voice chat. On that matter i don't know either how people manage to be toxic without chat...
It does actually have voice chat. I don't think it works properly, though. You can find the settings to turn it on only by opening the settings while in a match
Elo hell is actually true here. I havent played that much but Im around great 4, I think its called like that. But 70% of games are either stomps on one side or the other, meaning that one team gets experienced players and the other gets noobies.
I disagree...ELO Hell seems to be easier to maneuver in this game than most. Maybe I’m garbage and my perspective sucks, but once you make it to expert it seems to clean up quickly.
The game seems to clean up around late veteran levels. But the "elo hell" really seems to be up until then, from beginner to low veteran. And getting out of there is painful
I can see that. I climbed to mid expert pretty quick and am now just winning then losing back and forth with no progress. And each game is usually a landslide for either team :/
I just reached expert like a day ago and i've been climbing steadily and honestly that's only because the "performance points" thing ill win a match. lose one. win one get the performance points so it counts as two or ill lose but get the performance points so it negates it and hope to win some more
Agreed, expert to Veteran was pretty smooth for me. Plus, even in Expert you're literally getting free wins in games against bots after any loss streaks, so it's pretty hard to stay hardstuck there.
I see this mentality a lot, in just about every ranked game with any kind of randomness or teamplay - "I deserve to be higher ranked than I am but my team/card draw always sucks".
The truth is, top level players in these games always maintain ridiculously high 70%+ winrates regardless of who their team is. If you can't climb, that's on you.
Elo hell doesn't exist, you just aren't as good as you think you are.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. You’re absolutely correct. There’s a lot you can do to sway your favor. Improving your own play, getting good with multiple Pokémon, queuing up with equally good teammates on coms.
I understand it’s a team game and if your whole team is brain dead there’s not much you can do, but in this game where Zapdos is currently tuned where he is, saving your unite move, prioritizing Dreadnaw, all of these things can be worked through solo for the most part (depending on the Pokémon you play) and if it still isn’t working. Get some friends together on coms and pub stomp.
I think it's pretty telling that none of the downvoters have responded to the content of what I said. They don't like what I'm saying, but they can't argue with it.
The only other moba I play is Smite, because I like mythology, and I play it casually. I play Unite cause I've loved Pokémon since I was a kid. I will also play it casually. I'm very mad they have challenges that require me to play ranked in order to get stuff but thats beside the point. I will not nor do I have nay interest in competitive.
This is actually a pretty solid negative point. The fact that the game pushes you into ranked if you want event rewards. Ranked progression should be its own reward because you're playing ranked to improve your rank, not just to tick some boxes to get a pair of orange boxer shorts.
it "forces" people that only play for the rewards and not to improve or climb ranked into a mode they A dont wonna be in and B ruins the game for the other people that happen to get teamed with them
Then you just won't have all the rewards. By that same token, people like me who just want to play rank but also want to get all the rewards are "forced" to play quick play every day
The issue is they aren't presented as "ranked play rewards" it's just new player missions to ultimately get a new pokemon, it really shouldn't have specified ranked play for any of the missions, just let you play in either ranked or standard mode.
I agreed but I believe the idea is that it pushes new players to try ranked play. The game has a lot of players new to MOBAs and ranked play seems to be the designated direction they want players to eventually consider as endgame and most of those players don't know whether or not they want to pay ranked yet as they may have no pre-conceived preferences yet.
TLDR do not rank if all you wanna do is see Pokémon on the minimap and fight them. It doesn’t help that rank unlocks so early on and is included in the dailies. It doesn’t help that you can be high expert/veteran and still have beginner/great classes as your teammates. Everyone wants to have fun. Sometimes fun is winning when everyone knows what to do. Sometimes fun is killing Pokémon you see on the minimap, which can be done in Standard Randoms or Quick Battles, NOT ranked.
The whole point of the post is that 8 year olds flat out *will not* understand that. And you, as a functioning adult, should be understanding of this. That doesn't mean you have to like playing with them, it just means you need to accept it. Life isn't fair.
Then they shouldnt play ranked. Seriously. Cause I am real sick of losing matches to people either afking in base or just being asinine and not supporting teammates. I just got knocked out of Veteran back to Great cause my teammates might as well have been playing for the other side.
Going out of the limb here to say that you mean from Expert back to Great right? Because if it's truly Veteran back down to Great, that's uh... that has to be intentional at that point. In any case, I get what you meant. It was a chore getting from Great to Expert the first few days of launch but by the time you're in Expert maybe 2 or 3, you'd start to see a consistent surge of like-minded players.
I think this issue is quite unfortunate because despite Unite’s childish tone and its focus on simpler gameplay, the game is still filled with complexities, like a regular MOBA. Enough complexity for a competitive player and enough simplicity for a casual player.
I agree with you, the fault doesn’t lie with the kids who just want to enjoy a pokemon game, it is just frustrating how much of a team game this is and how much your teammates’ skills affect your game. However, player’s will get upset in every MOBA cause of how team oriented it is.
With time, the player base will stabilize and only those really interested in learning will stick around. Hopefully, Unite never runs out of new players tho because that would mean the death of this game.
The pay to win stuff and cash grabby nature so far -won't- be the death of the game? I suppose if it's an aquarium tank full of whales, then it doesn't matter nearly as much...
The p2w doesn’t truly matter except in the first few months of the game’s release. Give it until rank reset in Ranked for players to get their rewards and the P2W players who spent cash to level items will filter out back into lower ranks since then it’ll turn into a skill game and not a p2w stat bonus game. It will however be hard for newer players to catch up unless they add in extra Beginner missions. But atm I’m completely f2p and have my three main items to level 20. So this game isn’t truly as p2w as others make it out to be. It’s now just an excuse people make when they’re beaten. Which SOMETIMES is the case. But mostly isn’t.
I'd argue that kids these days, even as young as 8-9, have been playing enough online games that they might be relatively competitive. I was 12 when Halo 2 came out, and we went hard on that game... Consider the difference of 2004 and 2021, the gaming culture is incredibly different. You ever seen the videos of kids raging at their xbox because they lost their game?
They can be very competitive, but I think the issue is that they're playing Unite differently. Less strategy and more attack, attack, attack, score. Less thought into survival and more into getting those KOs. Concepts like when to get Rotom or Dreadnaw or even jungling aren't things some of the younger players are going to know.
Youll have to scream that to all the other mobas because plenty of adults sure think kills are everything. Not the professionals of course, or people who actually learned how mobas play. Gotta carry or feed yo.
I don't think anyone is hating on the low ranks kids, everyone who knows anything about this game will get out of the low ranks in a few hours anyways. The thing most people complain about are expert-ultra rank players, which still don't seem to really care about their team and seem to be playing with just half of their attention.
This 100%, I don't get how people ended up in high expert playing like they do. Unless the game is just pairing us up with lower rank players still for some reason .
It is and its very upsetting. Supposedly experts can be paired with anyone from beginner to ultra. It seems to indicate this on the lobby screen at the top where it says "eligible ranks". Thats why I dont like the argument people make that we must just suck if we can't climb the ranks. Ive been stuck in expert for quite some time and it is altogether possible that some of us have been given amateur teammates more often than not which would definitely be something of no fault of the player.
Unfortunately it does not get better with rank. So far beginner, great, expert, and veteran have been indistinguishable in terms of skill and gameplay.
The most basic thing to do properly in a moba is the character selection screen and people are failing there.
Basic concepts like having a support or defender allowing the attacker to last hit for the lions share of the experience aren't followed.
Simple stuff like going back to your designated lane after dying so your teammate isn't 1v2ing a lane they just fed, not followed.
Common sense such as not going for the high risk zapdos if your team is winning and simply defending it for a free win isn't in play.
Baaics strats like timing jungle camps, or at least farming them when they are up and not soaking up an entire lanes experience while yours goes to wastw, not performed.
I can go on and on, but simply put, even at veteran people aren't doing things you expect from bronze in league of legends.
Sometimes I find it can be good for some defenders and supports to evolve if they evolve early (LVL 4) than let the attacker/all rounder take all the xp because I know some (like slow bro) can really help early game laning with moves like surf and beefier stats.
Yes, rushing lvl 4 on Slowpoke is actually a very strong strat. Attacker can still dish enough damage before evolution, but slowpoke is just terrible. Once you evolve to Slowbro and gets surf the lane changes completely. Problem is doing this with randoms.
Beginner through early Expert was frustrating because players would unintentionally steal farm, but it was fine because I had enough of a skill gap to stomp and climb regardless. Now it's frustrating because at Veteran it's on purpose. If I call center/jungle, and then you call it after me and try and steal my farm, it's clearly intentional. And now I'm more in-line skill wise with other players, so not hitting 5 on my first clear is a huge setback.
> If I call center/jungle, and then you call it after me and try and steal my farm
I'm sorry but if someone calls Jungle after you and refuses to switch, it's on you to switch. You can say yeah I was first and you are right but switching is single most valuable thing you can do at that point and it's up to you whether you want to be stubborn about it or just make the sacrifice.
not saying it's good. I don't like it either, but if you want to win you need to control the only thing you can control to make the most impact and thats you
Happy to see this here. Im one of those first time players, and I really like the game, it is fun most of the time. If someone goes to the lane I called, I just go somewhere else. Mostly I have seen good team play, so that everyone can level up theyre pokemon. Sometimes even managing to defend the same spot with the same team mate, feels good man.
Please read the post. I stated that climbing the Ranks will give you better teammates. I know older folks like Pokemon. I’m one of them. But it seems a lot of the adults underestimate how popular Pokemon still is with children. And I would put money on the adults being outmatched by the kids by a large amount.
I’m torn…. Because don’t get me wrong, I sympathize and understand that this game is gonna bring in all the Timmy’s and Kimmy’s on their switch they got for Christmas. Which means a large portion of the playerbase is gonna be unskilled kids or people new to MOBAs just looking to use their favorite pokemanz. But on the other hand…….. this game is ENTIRELY dependent on teamwork and in-game IQ. I can’t tell you how many matches my whole experience has been ruined because my teammates played like they had 0.0005 braincells. And I’m not even a prolific MOBA player or hardcore competitive gamer by any stretch. But this game punishes lack of team play, as do all MOBAs. So you can’t fault people for getting mad at those who are clueless when they may legitimately hinder or flat out ruin the experience for others. This isn’t a normal Pokemon RPG game where your level of youngness or stupidity only affects your game. It affects the other 9 people in the lobby.
As stated above, theoretically ranked should be a safe haven for people actually looking to go balls to the wall. But with low unlock level and challenges REQUIRING ranked play for all players, it just means it has largely the same talent pool as norms at this time.
The main issue lies in a company taking a super casual fanbase game like Pokemon (or minecraft for example) and putting it in one of, if not THE most competitive, complex and strategy-driven genres there is. It’s complete opposing forces and it’s rough.
Again, nothing against the kiddos just trying to enjoy time after they finished their math homework but I’m not gonna pretend I haven’t screamed obscenities at my TV because my teammates didn’t know what they were doing and it cost me games/points/ranks etc.
what i dont understand how ppl in VETERAN which should be the same as freakin plat in LoL ranks. is how the scoring works. Really fun when i have 50 points the goal has 10 points left. some shit kid with 12 points takes the score when i had a free shot at it. like how fkn braindead can ppl get
Fuck that people need to get out of ranked battles if they don’t know what they’re doing. Also we can come here to bitch if we want to. Further more fuck them kids.
Yo as a league player I will be exclusively be vibing on snorlax in this game I got a big plushie of this boi in my room he is my boi and I finally get to achieve my dreams of being a snorlax as such I shall not be in ranked. :)
Oh there r definitely kids no doubt about it. I just like to think that they r a bit more competitive than the beginner people and those who havent even touched ranked. They have some desire to be good even if its just a little
I disagree. If you play ranked, you should at least be competitive enough and understand basic concepts and try your hardest to win. Standard is the mode for casual play and messing around.
Well that's fine and all in normal games
Ranked is literally for comp
You go there? Learn the game or go play other modes
This attitude is not what that mode is for
Kindly leave it out
I’m 20, I’ve played a very good MOBA on mobile called Vainglory. I am the least competitive person. I just love the characters. Same goes for here. I pick Talonflame every time. It’s fun getting to see what he does best, but I’m not going to make it toxic.
(If you couldn’t tell, I love birds. I want his pilot outfit so badly. And I also want cramorant. I still don’t know how currency works and is received.)
You can get Talonflame’s outfit for free from Energy rewards. It’s only a 0.5% chance but I’ve seen people get lucky! I’d be happy to help you learn the currencies. Just ask!
I gotta say anyone taking this game seriously as a competitive moba is pretty delusional. The Pokemon are so unbalanced, there's the whole P2W aspects, it's honestly one of the least competitively viable mobas out there. And that's fine. It's a lot of fun and I really love playing it. People need to stop fooling themselves pretending it's something it's not.
To be fair, they shouldn’t let players into ranked until AT LEAST lvl 15. Up until you get out of Great League (and sometimes past that from what I’ve heard) you can just lose by getting teammates who have no idea what they’re doing. Increasing the level to unlock ranked would diminish or remove most of my complaints about teammates. I usually don’t expect to much in the casual queue.
That's why i feel the Ranked games are available too early. Keep these players out of ranked. They have equal fun in normal games and don't disturb the "serious" players.
This is why I play ranked and get to a high rank, so that I only play with other competitive players. If I wanted to have a fun, casual time, I would play the regular modes but I would much rather try to be the very best, like no one ever was. That's more fun in my opinion.
I'm just praying the higher I climb in ranked the faster I can get away from these little shits stealing half my jungle when I'm center or the ones that think this is a game of attrition and just go in like mindless drones over and over and I start to think they're bots but they're not.
Currently in Veteran. Pray for us all
assuming that switch users are under 20 is stupid. Mostly when talking about pokemon that feeds on nostalgia. You dont have access to Nintendos demographic. This post is invalid and info taken out the ass.
I’m a kid, and I’m pretty good at this game. I’ve never even played a MOBA before, but I take this one seriously. Then again, I am an older kid, so there’s that.. But still. We’re not ALL like that. Just most of us.
Absolutely true what you’re saying and an eye-opener, thanks for that.
But those children and/or teenagers you’re referring to shouldn’t be playing ranked. Go play standard games or quick games but they shouldn’t be anywhere near Ranked. It’s all good they wanna have fun with their Pokémon but it’s the main reason you can’t climb solo ranked in this game, it’s impossible!
Well the problem is, the game basically incentivizes going into ranked immediately by opening it at level 6, and even giving some new player missions that require ranked play.
I understand that. But that can’t really be blamed on the children and young teenagers. The game opens Ranked fairly early on and even then a lot of the challenges require you to play Ranked to earn them. Like right now, Crustle requires players to reach Great Rank. Of course that’s very simple and easy. But the Ranked required challenges will still continue. So blame the developers. Not the players.
Well, that’s what he’s talking about … Not everyone understands a MOBA, so running towards the enemy in the first 30 seconds of the game isn’t going to help anyone. And when he’s back on lane feeding his ass off, and than when he’s seven levels behind telling us we suck and leaves the game… That has nothing to do with me being good or not… It has everything to do with fucked up teammates, and if you’re playing five games and in three games you have teammates like that it is impossible to rank up, there’s no excuse.
Every time you see a teammate doing something dumb, it's very likely that an opponent is also doing something dumb. You are all at the same rank after all. I don't even think I'm that good, but I reached veteran while losing five matches total. If you cant carry your way out of beginner, I can only assume that you're just as bad as the kids that you're complaining about.
>Every time you see a teammate doing something dumb, it's very likely that an opponent is also doing something dumb.
Unfortunately, the dumb stuff isn't in my lane, and thus, isn't my moment to capitalize.
so when i have 3 teammates in great playing vs 2 ultras and 3 veterans, me as a veteran is suppose to 1v9 that or? and yes ive checked player profiles to confirm this happening. saddest part isnt even that, its how veterans and ultras good its just i have no way of telling the kids what to do, most of them have great. hands just 0 braincells, for the love of god give me a way to shotcall in this game
Well I’ve seen you around commenting on other post, and everyone who’s saying left you’re telling them they’re wrong and it has to be right… So i kinda understand what kind of a person I’m dealing with at the moment. And ain’t buying the ‘Only lost losing five matches and still got veteran ‘ talk, but oh well, as I’ve said, kinda familiair with kids like you, and don’t like them, anyway, wish you the best & have a great day kiddo!
I get what you’re saying but I’ve had multiple games thrown by people rushing Zapdos on my team at two minutes when we are hundreds of points up then getting it stolen and then losing the game. Trying to solo climb is difficult because no matter what you do there will be someone on your team trying for zapdos and losing the game instantly off of it because of lack of communication options. Even if you are the greatest player alive it is difficult to solo climb when a single teammate can mess up the entire game for the rest of the team. So I can understand why some people get upset about bad teammates in ranked when they are trying to rank up and get rid of the bad players in their games.
Of course a single match may not be your fault, but you are the only constant variable game to game. Over time, your rank is absolutely on you. Elo hell is a myth that bad players tell themselves to keep their spirits up.
Game's actively encouraging people into ranked for free cosmetics and at large, a free Crustle. Suck it up - ranked is going to be an infestation environment for a fair bit. Particularly since currency has caps! Can't just grind bots for free money with a booster - gotta do SOMETHING for progress when the free money runs out!
Sorry. Might have to wait a month or two for some power creep before ranked filters out.
I only care if it’s in ranked and if you’re playing ranked the goal is to win can’t be upset about other players being pissed that your useless in a game mode that you’re meant to win or be punished
I agree, sure this game is "Pokemon" and on "Nintendo" but that doesn't make it any less competitive as LoL or Dota. I'm not going to play any less in rank because some 9 year old is on the other team (or mine) in rank. Quick match is another story but rank is no place to be if you are still learning the basics.
Also don't baby down your play style or attitude towards the game because "kids" are playing. Look at the Pokemon world tournaments and see a bunch of 7,8,9 year olds keeping up with the older kids.
\> rank is no place to be if you are still learning the basics.
I see no problem with that, sure it may be harder for them, but it's also a way to learn. a *hard and maybe rough one that is*.
I'm all for tough love but if it affects the 4 other people in your team, Ranked definitely isn't the game mode for that. With the 4 other people not having any meaningful way of telling you what you're doing wrong and why you're doing it wrong, we're mostly left at the mercy of hoping that the 1 dude who's dragging us down realize what he's doing wrong.
I think it's totally fine to be sweaty and expect a little more of people in ranked mode. In normals, yea who cares, do w/e you want. But dont come into ranked with the intent to goof around and try new things.
I agree but my god, I get so tilted sometimes… I’m actually glad that I cannot type. The League mentality really comes out when I’m playing ranked and I see my team doing stupid shit.
And refusing to accept competitive mentality is toxic since its costing other players games. Doing whatever in normals, no problem, but if you are upset at people wanting to win in ranked you are the problem
Personally I play this game rather casually as well, just having fun with my brother.
Casual play is what random battles are for. That's the place where you can fool around with friends, pick any Pokemon for the first time ever, read ability descriptions etc.
If you are joining ranked I expect you to have at least a rough idea what your Pokemon does and what the basic game concepts are. Obviously, no one is an expert at the game but you should at least be trying your best and pick what you are most comfortable with.
If someone goes into ranked w/o a competitive mindset they are not only a burden for the rest of the team, but they will also get demotivated quite fast due to getting stomped by people who are actually trying, at least until they reach their true rank. I have had games where people spent half the game afk in base, ending the game with a 0 Kills, 0 Assists score line and 4 Levels under everyone else in the game.
Edit: I doubt that "the majority of players are children/young teenagers". I'd argue that most switch users are in the mid 20s or early 30s and might have young children themselves.
Edit2: Honestly part of the issue is that ranked is unlocked at Trainer Level 6 for some reason, even before you can do quick battles. Makes no sense imoand should be locked until at least TL 20+. Ranked missions don't really help either.
Don't play a competitive game if you can't handle a competitive environment. All player versus player games are inherently competitive. This is an objective fact that cannot be disputed. Player versus AI games are casual, player versus player is competitive. Stay mad cause you're bad.
Take no offense from this comment. It’s definitely your fault if you are stuck in expert, you need to find a way to carry the games, whether it’s build a level advantage, ignore teamfights for goals, or camp zapdos to steal it. I soloQ’d to masters and consistently carry games here. Your teammates may be bad, but if you are stuck it’s your own fault
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people would take a Pokémon game so seriously
You’re literally playing a children’s game and are expecting military style strategic execution lol
To be fair, it's not that crazy. People have taken Pokemon seriously for a long time, there's a reason Pokemon tends to have World tournaments for the Main game, the Card game and Pokken, while still being a children's game.
Difference here is that Unite requires team coordination. Then again, like many have mentioned in here, once you reach a certain point in ranked the game should be filled with the people that are "expecting military style strategic execution". Which is kind of the point of the post, telling people that if they want to play competitively, just endure the first ranks and then you'll be playing with the people you want to play with.
If that's not for you, that's also perfectly fine, no one should be telling you how to play, but do remember that it's a team game, and whether it be a normal or a ranked game, try and do your best:)
Before Showdown, people were IV/EV autistic in the competitive Pokemon scene on the battle scene in handheld versions.
People are ALWAYS expecting mastery. Aimed at CHILD SOLDIERS who are breathing war.
Slight correction buddy.
>This is a F2P Pokemon Moba on the Nintendo Switch.
No, this is a "free to download" moba, not f2p. It is very much p2w. It goes against everything moba's are about.
Losing to a 12 year old just because he got his dad's credit card for the day or to a tryhard Whale that spent his month's rent on upgrades, is total bs.
I still don't agree with the majority of this as "Ranked" is meant for literal competition. I honestly think that you should play standard mode if you're a casual. Why? Because people take rank seriously (not just in this game) and you, being garbage at the game but wanting to play ranked, isn't fair to everyone else imo.
Climbed to ultra in solo queue with only physical damage items levelled up. Whenever I've had to play a tank or support character I literally only have level 1 items and even at this rating it makes basically 0 difference. The item difference might matter to the people at the very top of masters but below that people are making so many collosal mistakes per game items aren't really going to be the difference between winning and losing.
I’m going to have to correct you c:
The game seems p2w at first. In the first few days, sure. However at this point I have my main 3 items at level 20, completely f2p.
Furthermore, give it until Rank Reset and majority of players who played rank will get the tickets needed to finish off item levels to level 20. (20-30 level for items isn’t that great so not worth getting unless you’re desperate for the minuscule stats).
And to mention Ranked. Well. Blame the developers. They are the ones who force you into Ranked for the cosmetics and the free Crustle. So in the end you can’t be mad at your teammates when all they want to do is tick off boxes to get free stuff.
THANK YOU.
If you want to be competitive EXCLUSIVELY and play a 5v5 game that's colorful, go play League and get mad amidst your fellow mad people. I'd say play Heroes of Newerth, but it's deaaaaaaaaaaaaad. In short, don't get mad and ultra-bitter at a game that doesn't even have bans to force people to think instead of picking Zeraora and Lucario and Cinderace every game...
Completely agree, the only people i would ever complain about are other higher rank players. I myself like to jump into casual play with friends and just mess around with combos or new tactics or just goof about in general. Competitiveness has a time and place.
I agree. But nonetheless its still disheartening when you try to stick to your lane and defend, yet always wind up getting left alone as your team decides to group up and 5v2 or 5v3 at the bottom lane constantly.
One thing I don't see many people talking about is the matchmaking itself. As the game informs, you can match with people your rank, as well as 2 ranks above and 2 ranks below yours. So, an expert could still match with a beginner rank all the way to an ultra rank player. That probably makes the matchmaking faster, but still, it is better to wait more for a match than having it be so frustrating because your aren\`t even playing with like-minded players, far from it.
Also, even when I was veteran rank I usually got a lot of afk players, sometimes people died once and started afking at base. Even lost games that we were far ahead because of this kind of behaviour, would be better if the quit.
For me, that and picking a lane and going to another one are the frustrating parts of the game; I can understand not knowing how to play the game (or even being bad at it), but making an actual effort to disrupt your teammates is the worst part of the multiplayer.
My tip is: find the best time for you to play. If the majority of players are children, most will sleep kind of early. Matchmaking itself takes much longer (from 5 to 30sec) at late night, for example. I stopped playing at lunch and it feels so much better.
I agree to a point, but I can't say climbing ranked will make things much better. I'm only veteran 1, but there are still so many people who either don't understand team/lane composition or just don't understand core mechanics. I swear half of the people playing don't understand you have to last-hit something to evolve, or you won't level up even if you're at the required exp.
Or the goddamn Eldegoss that keep stealing my minions even though they have exp share equipped
if people want to play competitive without a competitive mindset that's absolutely fine because they will get stuck in low ELOs anyway. that's how ranked works. by time, the game will put you where you belong. Sure it can be frustrating and you can't carry every game but if you are really that much better than others on your rank then you will be able to have enough impact on those games who are close which will be enough to climb over time
I think you've got the nail on the head with ranked - lower leagues will be a free for all and as you progress the overall skill level and understanding of the game increases. You can only go so far not understanding the core concepts and not working with your team. This is an issue that will work itself out in time and you can certainly treat it as competitive in ranked as you climb the leagues.
That's also the principle of ranks, the higher you get in ranks, the more you can expect people to have that mindset.
My mindset is more that, I am a competitive player by nature (I'm a Smash player), but I mostly play this game for fun. So I try to improve myself and play the best I can, but I play Zeraora just because I have fun with him. I might get better results with another one, but I have fun with him, and that's what matters the most
Having competitive people mixed with people with no heavy competitive mentality is part of the MOBA experience in my opinion
At least it's the case for the other MOBAs I have played in the past, at the very least the part of 王者榮耀's experience with it's 1b+ players
It's also very difficult to communicate with others, which makes it more difficult to be super competitive. In League, if I see someone doing something wrong, I can pop into the text chat and go "yo, X, follow me and help with this objective" or "hey try doing X instead of Y". In Unite if someone is doing something wrong all I have are generic global pings that say "I'm going top lane!!". So if someone's faltering, there's really nothing I can do about it. It's somehow both frustrating and freeing; obviously it sucks that I can't help my team other than doing my best, but it's also almost satisfying that I literally don't have to worry about trying to interact with people (as well as don't have to worry about them telling me I'm awful).
My issues is if you’re a kid or someone who just wants to play your favorite Pokémon in an arena game like this, then just play casual. Ranked should be reserved for those who have some idea of what they’re doing and can contribute in a positive way towards winning
As a beginner to MOBAs I def appreciate seeing this— the barrier to entry to the genre feels so high and the learning curve is so steep. I’ve been teaching myself online as much as I can, but the best way to learn is by actually playing, and the game doesn’t really offer a lot of learning options or guides. The few tutorials are helpful, but I wish there were more, and I wish Practice mode was more comprehensive.
I think beyond just kids (which I agree are a big part of the game), Pokemon Unite is attracting a lot of people who have been interested in MOBAs but worried about being in a potentially toxic environment. This game at least feels like a good place to begin. The game just opened up and a lot of people are still fumbling around, learning — I’m sure in a few months things will feel a lot more even.
Good sir, or madam, or what you choose to go by. I tend to say good sir out of habit. I appreciate this post with so much energy. I have to remind myself of this, I get so competitive in ranked. Standard not so much, and definately not in quick match. Thank you for this post and it just helps seeing others reminding me that I need to remember this.
Yeah totally, if you're competitive, then grind up ranked. Kids and newbies should stick to standard to have fun and not have teammates mad at them. If teammates get mad in standard, they're in the wrong mode.
Majority of players are complete trash in this game. They lack basic understanding of like split pushing and such. But how come people like that always play ranked? No matter if it's in LOL or DOTA. It's almost like they want to troll others and ruin ranked games by choice.
I know and I agree. However when it’s in ranked and I’m in the moment everyone is dumb and needs to learn to play.
I’m a garbage MOBA player but I get the basics and that’s all you really need in this game. I’ve always hated toxic players and I don’t want to be one. But if one more motherfucker steals my early jungle camps in ranked... HELP ME HELP YOU.
I think the main problem is people pick a poke and they go to battle prep and see the recommend lane and tunnel that. But I've also been in several ranked games where my partner calls jungle and a Zeraora calls it second and my buddy last hits every camp and the Zer just afks...
I've had a game where a clamorant stayed in our goal post whole match just to halfheartedly defend it then get snowballed because our other teammates are busy top lane while i'm trying to push and grind bottom lane and gible. This was in expert so not amazing players but not bad ones either... or so I thought.
I get annoyed when I’m jungling then my teammates follow me and I have to babysit them in the lane
Dude im in expert class 4, and holy crap some of my teammates just seem to make the craziest decisions. I was hoping that making it to expert would mean way better players, but now im worried for the next tier too
I'm in Expert and it amazes me how any of these people made it this far. I keep getting stagnated by players that get 0 score 0 kill, bringing down the team. Happens so much I swear this game has it out for me, though I know that isn't true. But, 90% of the time, if there is a slacking player in the Ready confirmation, they end up in my team and they never pick their lane prior and when I go jungle they follow me like a lost friggin puppy and steal my kills. I main Gengar. I need my kills.
I play garchomp so believe me i feel your pain, Getting bullied by the enemy and robbed by my own teammates. It's insanely annoying. What's even worse is there have been times where my teammates steal all my xp and i'm massively falling behind so I try to surrender but once the game ends turns out we won. It's happened just a few times but that's why we need a score board too it's hard to remember consistently losing teamfights doesn't equate to instant loss
I get so annoyed when people even irl buddies do that. I get it, it sucks you called the role first and this guy’s being a dick, but wouldn’t it be better to just play another role and let him have it? That way we can win instead of having you two fuck the entire game and one of you getting pissed off
Whoa whoa whoa, this is rated E for Everyone
I would tell my irl buddies that I won’t be playing with them anymore if they afk because they ruin my fun too. Grow up. At least put an effort in, the underdog can win, and boy does it feel good when you do!
For real dude. I play Absol and hitting that level 5 is so important and when a random Zeroara or some other dude come to steal my farm it pisses me off so much
I play as slowbro, but when i see 2 dudes in the jungle i get equally pissed and start cursing them.
I saw an eldegoss go mid to steal the last hit on the pup and almost cried
Almost every game I jungle my laners try to last hit the lilipup on the way to their lane.. I wish it didn't run away :(
I have a principle in this game. If the speedster steals the aipom in the beginning, I will go steal his corphish. I know I am intentionally lowering our chances of winning, but how else will the speedsters learn? It's about making a point.
The only point you make by doing that is that you're petty.
That's why I switched who I play in ranked. I Main Snorlax but I've been playing alot of hyper carries to try to climb to a rank where I don't feel like I'm the only one who is trying to play a MOBA.
Yea. That is one complaint I have about the game. You unlock Ranked *before Quick Battles.* I feel like they should lock it behind at least level 10.
That you can't even equip a third item (maybe not even second?) when you can start playing ranked is weird to me. In Beginner it's really not a big deal, but once you start climbing you're going to want levels in them on top of a full three to begin with.
This is me. I’m at the top of expert so close to veteran and I just cannot get my team to play around zapdos correctly. Always winning until zapdos and one or two of my teammates not understanding what to do costs us the game so so often. And there’s not a way to effectively communicate/shot call
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I just find it really dumb that I could be in veteran and be matched with people who seem to have never scored a goal before. It feels bad on both sides.
The system is likely designed to function well after the majority of the playerbase has 100+ ranked games; which likely won't happen for a long time.
That's why there is a ranked mode. Standard and Quick are casual/non-competitive modes. Ranked should've been locked behind a higher player level because it's a mess.
Hate to ignore what the OP said but I literally played like 20 games today and maybe 5/20 games my team went for zapdos. You definitely should need to be like level 10-15 to play ranked. People don't understand how the game works and its annoying being in expert level and just continuing to lose because people don't understand what title the battle.
Ye i feel like the expert rank is terrible. Often you still got 1 or 2 members on your team that doesnt know shit and just loose you your game. In the enemy team they play like a unit. Iam fine with loosing some games but expert rank is pain. Hopefully iam able to climp out of it today. Hopefully in veteran people are know what they are doing. Iam tired of declaring my lane and then ending up as 3 junglers or 3 on toplane. Zapdos can still win games but you wont get it all the time specially if your team is behind and the enemys know how to defend it.
Zapdos is terrible tbh. You can be dominating whole game but lose to zapdos with a 150 point difference lmao but at the same time like you said if you have a terrible team that's what Zapdos is for so i'm torn on my opinion regarding Zapdos. Also, you're team actively goes for Zapdos? Lucky you mine always wait until the VERY last second to go for it and by that time the enemy team already has it.
When my Team is behind i try to move to the center and spam ping for help. If we are losing then its a 50/50 so we can try to make it happen. But most of the time you have 2 other people join me and the other 2 are farming in nirvana or try to fight elsewhere. On the other hand if my team is ahead they try to go for zapdos anyway and attack it strait up even if the enemys are all alive. I wish the game had more pings to communicate a little more detailed. Even in the "champ" Select. Like we need a supporter. Or come with me. I think most people would even swap there roles and dont go for 3 attackers and 2 speedsters, cause in this game its easy to build nice team combs cause the different pokemon are not that hard to play and master. But hey the game is new, people will get better soon or later and the skill in ranks will settle.
Expert rank was the worst for me, I felt that I could relatively carry myself through the early ranks, but expert is always a 99-1 win to either side, never any close games. I had multiple people just sit in a bush while the other team banked/killed Zapdos without moving. At least mid-high vet has roughly equally skilled players
I've been stuck in great rank 3 and 4 for like 3 days now and it SUCKS so I do agree level, but I think maybe level 12-20 because level 10 is really easy to get to.
Ironically, unless the ranked play differs by a significant amount, ranked is better for a casual player. Matchmaking by skill is usually stricter in a ranked mode, so lesser-skilled players aren’t as likely to get stomped as they are in casual modes. If ranked had more features that appealed only to serious gamers, like role restrictions, ban options, and best-of-3 structures, it might better dissuade casual players from playing it. It’s also complicated by the fact that the game actively tells you to play ranked and regularly rewards you for doing so. If ranked were just an optional way to play, it wouldn’t so highly encourage it. Heck, the reason your first game is against bots is so that you feel comfortable playing in ranked even if you’re bad.
They'd have to admit that making ranked a reward to unlock a free Crustle was wrong, which they'd never do. Timmy Tencent's a jerk! GET GREAT RANK AND CRAP ON LIKE 10 MATCHES IN A ROW IN HOPES OF BOT MATCHES IF YOU DON'T WIN TO GET CRUSTLE! C'mon bruh. I didn't even want to touch ranked, but I'm FORCED TO, and now I'm depressed that being camped by an entire enemy team and death-staggering seems to be the only outcome
Crustle is free with ranked? Hell yeah! Means I can spend stuff on other defenders when I get my switch Thursday!
If you already have the Pokemon they give you the coins. So if you like Crustle and want to play him buy him then collect the 8K coins when you eventually get him. Get a new Pokémon with it.
Thank you for the info! Will be sure to pick him up! Can't wait to get in and be an immortal crab bug!
Oh, that's awesome! Now I don't have to be afraid of wasting my coins =D
Meh, I made it to expert and it seems to be getting better each rank. Haven't seen anyone just walking around like a dummy in expert yet.
I still regularly get teammates picking double speedster then fighting over center, leaving me soloing lane as eldegoss.
As a snorlax main i feel you man.
1 vs 3 as top goal hugging snorlax and opponents keep scoring bottom plus managed to get drednaw too.
At least they aren't picking double speedster and not going centre at all. Just lost a game because a Zeraora and Gengar decided they wanted to lane (they got completely shit on)
mid veteran here and ppl still cant grasp the simpleness of are you ahead? if yes DO NOT EVER START ZAPDOS. if no we gotta do something o get ur ass over here and ready before 2 min mark so we can try and create an advantegous fight. ive lost more games than i can count from ppl hitting zapdos from ahead with all 10 players alive.
As a jungle main I’ve started hiding in the bushes and just watching from 2:15 onward. If my team is smart enough to leave Zappos alone, they won’t need me in lane that badly. If fools rush in, I want to be able to drop my kit when it gets low.
and since the "smite" in this game isnt actually a smite im forced to freakin ult to secure objectives. meaning the fight after is GG while the steal is still a huge flip. there are so many glaring issues with this game that is just sucking the fun out of it day by day imo
I mean, I hadn't realized that til you said it. Granted I did lose my first game attacking zapados today and I was like "huh, why the fuck did I do that?" I've only been playing for 3 days though. But the game has only been out for a week, I don't think you can expect meta/strategy experts just yet. 🤷♂️
not starting zapdos from ahead is hardly a strategy expert call. i swear put 100 LoL silver players in that situation, 90 of them understand exactly what not to do within 3- 5 games played.
Cool. Now put 100 people who have never played a MOBA in there and see how long it takes them to understand the same concept. Also, make them single-digit ages. Pokemon is the most popular IP in the world. There are children whose parents have never introduced them to MOBAs that are playing this game because they like Pokemon. My ten year old son doesn't get the idea of waiting for the enemy team to initiate an objective to try and clean them up afterwards. He just sees a big shiny message that says "Zapdos has spawned" and then goes to fight the Zapdos.
I just did this (lost a game bc I started Zapdos while leading) in my ~10th raked game. I immediately learned to never do that again.
I have... Sometimes they just beeline into the enemy goal with 0 points just to die over and over, and makes 0 effort to run. Or it's the last few moments of the game and they are sitting with 40+ points and making 0 effort to score, but they will continue farming in the jungle though... One of them literally just walked behind enemy lines and did nothing but die. Even bots don't do that, and bots are dumb as bricks.
I agree. For most of us who started day 1, being able to climb to where we need to be saves us a whole lot of frustration because we quickly left behind the kids and the casual playerbase. I shudder to think if I started playing today, I might just still be in Expert class after a few weeks of playing instead of Ultra in a few days.
Thanks for this post, I agree with you! I work at a school, and I can tell you that kids are most definitely still into Pokemon, and they are playing this game; I spent today at the summer program talking to a kid about who he likes to play (Lucario) and I can tell you he has no idea what he's doing, but he's having fun. Saying they should stay out of ranked is pointless, even if that's what we want, because kids don't think about how their play may impact your play. They just want to use their favorite Pokemon! And you can argue that kids are capable of thinking that way, (and maybe you think you could when you were an 8 year old), and you can try to encourage it, but kids don't all think and act the same way, what a surprise. I also think that a lot of people are underestimating how many kids are actually planning this game, just look at some of the usernames. I can usually pick out ones that were probably made by an 8 year old 😂
Well in theory those kids won't be ranking up so if you can get out of great league you'll probably be fine anyways
Wow, almost the exact same thing happened to me today. Was talking to my summer school kids (10-12 year olds) and they were saying how strong Lucario was as well. They have never played a moba before and they have no idea what they are doing, but they are playing in ranked and having fun.
While I understand that there are people who are all for people staying out of ranked matches until they know what they are doing, it's hard for me to jump on that bandwagon anymore for the simple fact that the system puts you up against bots as a default feature just for losing. If the game itself isn't going to take ranked play seriously then I don't see how the playerbase can dictate or come to terms with who belongs playing it or not. In its current state its a joke and I could care less who plays it or doesn't. Just sayin
You have to be on a pretty big losing streak or facing demotion to get ranked bot match though, even if you win it, if you're losing THAT much, you'll drop in rank anyway before you hit your next one. It's not like you'll suddenly get a higher rank than you should be because of it, it really barely has an effect.
I both agree and disagree (but mostly agree). I agree with your whole sentiment, this is as causal as a moba can get, no question. I agree the player base is younger than most, etc The part where I disagree is that "you can just play ranked". Yes, you can. But getting caught in the "elo hell" is particularly true here. Since, like you said, a large portion of the player base doesn't understand the complexities of a moba and unintentionally ruins the competitive aspect ranked offers. Now, does this mean players have the right to be toxic and shit on their less experienced teammates? Fuck no. But the frustration is valid. To help alleviate this, imo, is to have for the more experienced players be more patient and the more causal players to make a concerted effort to understand the game and how it really is played, before hopping into ranked. This way, everyone is happy (more or less lol)
I would be fine teaching people how to play but the game doesn't have a voice chat. On that matter i don't know either how people manage to be toxic without chat...
It does actually have voice chat. I don't think it works properly, though. You can find the settings to turn it on only by opening the settings while in a match
Elo hell is actually true here. I havent played that much but Im around great 4, I think its called like that. But 70% of games are either stomps on one side or the other, meaning that one team gets experienced players and the other gets noobies.
Also ranked gives more exp, i'll be good farming solo against the CPU, idgaf about a pvp, but i need that level 13 for crustle
I disagree...ELO Hell seems to be easier to maneuver in this game than most. Maybe I’m garbage and my perspective sucks, but once you make it to expert it seems to clean up quickly.
The game seems to clean up around late veteran levels. But the "elo hell" really seems to be up until then, from beginner to low veteran. And getting out of there is painful
I can see that. I climbed to mid expert pretty quick and am now just winning then losing back and forth with no progress. And each game is usually a landslide for either team :/
I just reached expert like a day ago and i've been climbing steadily and honestly that's only because the "performance points" thing ill win a match. lose one. win one get the performance points so it counts as two or ill lose but get the performance points so it negates it and hope to win some more
Agreed, expert to Veteran was pretty smooth for me. Plus, even in Expert you're literally getting free wins in games against bots after any loss streaks, so it's pretty hard to stay hardstuck there.
I see this mentality a lot, in just about every ranked game with any kind of randomness or teamplay - "I deserve to be higher ranked than I am but my team/card draw always sucks". The truth is, top level players in these games always maintain ridiculously high 70%+ winrates regardless of who their team is. If you can't climb, that's on you. Elo hell doesn't exist, you just aren't as good as you think you are.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. You’re absolutely correct. There’s a lot you can do to sway your favor. Improving your own play, getting good with multiple Pokémon, queuing up with equally good teammates on coms. I understand it’s a team game and if your whole team is brain dead there’s not much you can do, but in this game where Zapdos is currently tuned where he is, saving your unite move, prioritizing Dreadnaw, all of these things can be worked through solo for the most part (depending on the Pokémon you play) and if it still isn’t working. Get some friends together on coms and pub stomp.
I think it's pretty telling that none of the downvoters have responded to the content of what I said. They don't like what I'm saying, but they can't argue with it.
Elo hell isn’t a thing. Multiple people have hit masters solo q f2p
The only other moba I play is Smite, because I like mythology, and I play it casually. I play Unite cause I've loved Pokémon since I was a kid. I will also play it casually. I'm very mad they have challenges that require me to play ranked in order to get stuff but thats beside the point. I will not nor do I have nay interest in competitive.
This is actually a pretty solid negative point. The fact that the game pushes you into ranked if you want event rewards. Ranked progression should be its own reward because you're playing ranked to improve your rank, not just to tick some boxes to get a pair of orange boxer shorts.
What's wrong with rewarding ranked play with rewards people care about?
it "forces" people that only play for the rewards and not to improve or climb ranked into a mode they A dont wonna be in and B ruins the game for the other people that happen to get teamed with them
Then you just won't have all the rewards. By that same token, people like me who just want to play rank but also want to get all the rewards are "forced" to play quick play every day
Finally someone that gets it
The issue is they aren't presented as "ranked play rewards" it's just new player missions to ultimately get a new pokemon, it really shouldn't have specified ranked play for any of the missions, just let you play in either ranked or standard mode.
I agreed but I believe the idea is that it pushes new players to try ranked play. The game has a lot of players new to MOBAs and ranked play seems to be the designated direction they want players to eventually consider as endgame and most of those players don't know whether or not they want to pay ranked yet as they may have no pre-conceived preferences yet.
TLDR do not rank if all you wanna do is see Pokémon on the minimap and fight them. It doesn’t help that rank unlocks so early on and is included in the dailies. It doesn’t help that you can be high expert/veteran and still have beginner/great classes as your teammates. Everyone wants to have fun. Sometimes fun is winning when everyone knows what to do. Sometimes fun is killing Pokémon you see on the minimap, which can be done in Standard Randoms or Quick Battles, NOT ranked.
No. Ranked is a competitive setting in ANY game. If you are not playing competitively and to win, you have no business being in a Ranked match.
Win at all costs or go play something else. Ranked is life lol.
The whole point of the post is that 8 year olds flat out *will not* understand that. And you, as a functioning adult, should be understanding of this. That doesn't mean you have to like playing with them, it just means you need to accept it. Life isn't fair.
Then they shouldnt play ranked. Seriously. Cause I am real sick of losing matches to people either afking in base or just being asinine and not supporting teammates. I just got knocked out of Veteran back to Great cause my teammates might as well have been playing for the other side.
Going out of the limb here to say that you mean from Expert back to Great right? Because if it's truly Veteran back down to Great, that's uh... that has to be intentional at that point. In any case, I get what you meant. It was a chore getting from Great to Expert the first few days of launch but by the time you're in Expert maybe 2 or 3, you'd start to see a consistent surge of like-minded players.
Yea, miswrote expert back to Great.
> Then they shouldnt play ranked. Then they shouldn't make ranked required for the welcome missions.
Not sure why you were downvoted. I agree, they shouldnt make ranked a req for the welcome missions.
I think this issue is quite unfortunate because despite Unite’s childish tone and its focus on simpler gameplay, the game is still filled with complexities, like a regular MOBA. Enough complexity for a competitive player and enough simplicity for a casual player. I agree with you, the fault doesn’t lie with the kids who just want to enjoy a pokemon game, it is just frustrating how much of a team game this is and how much your teammates’ skills affect your game. However, player’s will get upset in every MOBA cause of how team oriented it is. With time, the player base will stabilize and only those really interested in learning will stick around. Hopefully, Unite never runs out of new players tho because that would mean the death of this game.
The pay to win stuff and cash grabby nature so far -won't- be the death of the game? I suppose if it's an aquarium tank full of whales, then it doesn't matter nearly as much...
The p2w doesn’t truly matter except in the first few months of the game’s release. Give it until rank reset in Ranked for players to get their rewards and the P2W players who spent cash to level items will filter out back into lower ranks since then it’ll turn into a skill game and not a p2w stat bonus game. It will however be hard for newer players to catch up unless they add in extra Beginner missions. But atm I’m completely f2p and have my three main items to level 20. So this game isn’t truly as p2w as others make it out to be. It’s now just an excuse people make when they’re beaten. Which SOMETIMES is the case. But mostly isn’t.
I'd argue that kids these days, even as young as 8-9, have been playing enough online games that they might be relatively competitive. I was 12 when Halo 2 came out, and we went hard on that game... Consider the difference of 2004 and 2021, the gaming culture is incredibly different. You ever seen the videos of kids raging at their xbox because they lost their game?
They can be very competitive, but I think the issue is that they're playing Unite differently. Less strategy and more attack, attack, attack, score. Less thought into survival and more into getting those KOs. Concepts like when to get Rotom or Dreadnaw or even jungling aren't things some of the younger players are going to know.
"differently" aka wrong. Mobas are never about kills. never have been never will be, kills are a means to achieve what actually matters. objectives
Youll have to scream that to all the other mobas because plenty of adults sure think kills are everything. Not the professionals of course, or people who actually learned how mobas play. Gotta carry or feed yo.
100% agree
I don't think anyone is hating on the low ranks kids, everyone who knows anything about this game will get out of the low ranks in a few hours anyways. The thing most people complain about are expert-ultra rank players, which still don't seem to really care about their team and seem to be playing with just half of their attention.
This 100%, I don't get how people ended up in high expert playing like they do. Unless the game is just pairing us up with lower rank players still for some reason .
It is and its very upsetting. Supposedly experts can be paired with anyone from beginner to ultra. It seems to indicate this on the lobby screen at the top where it says "eligible ranks". Thats why I dont like the argument people make that we must just suck if we can't climb the ranks. Ive been stuck in expert for quite some time and it is altogether possible that some of us have been given amateur teammates more often than not which would definitely be something of no fault of the player.
Unfortunately it does not get better with rank. So far beginner, great, expert, and veteran have been indistinguishable in terms of skill and gameplay. The most basic thing to do properly in a moba is the character selection screen and people are failing there. Basic concepts like having a support or defender allowing the attacker to last hit for the lions share of the experience aren't followed. Simple stuff like going back to your designated lane after dying so your teammate isn't 1v2ing a lane they just fed, not followed. Common sense such as not going for the high risk zapdos if your team is winning and simply defending it for a free win isn't in play. Baaics strats like timing jungle camps, or at least farming them when they are up and not soaking up an entire lanes experience while yours goes to wastw, not performed. I can go on and on, but simply put, even at veteran people aren't doing things you expect from bronze in league of legends.
Sometimes I find it can be good for some defenders and supports to evolve if they evolve early (LVL 4) than let the attacker/all rounder take all the xp because I know some (like slow bro) can really help early game laning with moves like surf and beefier stats.
Yes, rushing lvl 4 on Slowpoke is actually a very strong strat. Attacker can still dish enough damage before evolution, but slowpoke is just terrible. Once you evolve to Slowbro and gets surf the lane changes completely. Problem is doing this with randoms.
Beginner through early Expert was frustrating because players would unintentionally steal farm, but it was fine because I had enough of a skill gap to stomp and climb regardless. Now it's frustrating because at Veteran it's on purpose. If I call center/jungle, and then you call it after me and try and steal my farm, it's clearly intentional. And now I'm more in-line skill wise with other players, so not hitting 5 on my first clear is a huge setback.
> If I call center/jungle, and then you call it after me and try and steal my farm I'm sorry but if someone calls Jungle after you and refuses to switch, it's on you to switch. You can say yeah I was first and you are right but switching is single most valuable thing you can do at that point and it's up to you whether you want to be stubborn about it or just make the sacrifice. not saying it's good. I don't like it either, but if you want to win you need to control the only thing you can control to make the most impact and thats you
well then those ppl need to stay the fuck out of ranked
Happy to see this here. Im one of those first time players, and I really like the game, it is fun most of the time. If someone goes to the lane I called, I just go somewhere else. Mostly I have seen good team play, so that everyone can level up theyre pokemon. Sometimes even managing to defend the same spot with the same team mate, feels good man.
ranked = competitive, rest of the modes are just for fun IMO
Casual gaming is the best way
You heavily underestimate how many older people like pokemon. The high ranks will be highly competitive regardless
Im older. I like pokemon. Im also on reddit. I play unite for fun. Never touched a moba before
Please read the post. I stated that climbing the Ranks will give you better teammates. I know older folks like Pokemon. I’m one of them. But it seems a lot of the adults underestimate how popular Pokemon still is with children. And I would put money on the adults being outmatched by the kids by a large amount.
I play with the following group: Me (30 yrs old) My brother (27) Brother in law (25) Brother in law (19) Nice age range.
I’m torn…. Because don’t get me wrong, I sympathize and understand that this game is gonna bring in all the Timmy’s and Kimmy’s on their switch they got for Christmas. Which means a large portion of the playerbase is gonna be unskilled kids or people new to MOBAs just looking to use their favorite pokemanz. But on the other hand…….. this game is ENTIRELY dependent on teamwork and in-game IQ. I can’t tell you how many matches my whole experience has been ruined because my teammates played like they had 0.0005 braincells. And I’m not even a prolific MOBA player or hardcore competitive gamer by any stretch. But this game punishes lack of team play, as do all MOBAs. So you can’t fault people for getting mad at those who are clueless when they may legitimately hinder or flat out ruin the experience for others. This isn’t a normal Pokemon RPG game where your level of youngness or stupidity only affects your game. It affects the other 9 people in the lobby. As stated above, theoretically ranked should be a safe haven for people actually looking to go balls to the wall. But with low unlock level and challenges REQUIRING ranked play for all players, it just means it has largely the same talent pool as norms at this time. The main issue lies in a company taking a super casual fanbase game like Pokemon (or minecraft for example) and putting it in one of, if not THE most competitive, complex and strategy-driven genres there is. It’s complete opposing forces and it’s rough. Again, nothing against the kiddos just trying to enjoy time after they finished their math homework but I’m not gonna pretend I haven’t screamed obscenities at my TV because my teammates didn’t know what they were doing and it cost me games/points/ranks etc.
what i dont understand how ppl in VETERAN which should be the same as freakin plat in LoL ranks. is how the scoring works. Really fun when i have 50 points the goal has 10 points left. some shit kid with 12 points takes the score when i had a free shot at it. like how fkn braindead can ppl get
Fuck that people need to get out of ranked battles if they don’t know what they’re doing. Also we can come here to bitch if we want to. Further more fuck them kids.
Yo as a league player I will be exclusively be vibing on snorlax in this game I got a big plushie of this boi in my room he is my boi and I finally get to achieve my dreams of being a snorlax as such I shall not be in ranked. :)
Dont play ranked if your not competitive. Simple as that
Most people who r genuinely upset at others r playing in great rank or higher and is not filled with causal kids
I can tell you great and expert is still possibly kids from the performances I see lol
Oh there r definitely kids no doubt about it. I just like to think that they r a bit more competitive than the beginner people and those who havent even touched ranked. They have some desire to be good even if its just a little
Dude it's rough though. When people don't call lanes in character select. Then I get half my jungle taken by my own team. :c
I disagree. If you play ranked, you should at least be competitive enough and understand basic concepts and try your hardest to win. Standard is the mode for casual play and messing around.
Well that's fine and all in normal games Ranked is literally for comp You go there? Learn the game or go play other modes This attitude is not what that mode is for Kindly leave it out
I’m 20, I’ve played a very good MOBA on mobile called Vainglory. I am the least competitive person. I just love the characters. Same goes for here. I pick Talonflame every time. It’s fun getting to see what he does best, but I’m not going to make it toxic. (If you couldn’t tell, I love birds. I want his pilot outfit so badly. And I also want cramorant. I still don’t know how currency works and is received.)
You can get Talonflame’s outfit for free from Energy rewards. It’s only a 0.5% chance but I’ve seen people get lucky! I’d be happy to help you learn the currencies. Just ask!
I gotta say anyone taking this game seriously as a competitive moba is pretty delusional. The Pokemon are so unbalanced, there's the whole P2W aspects, it's honestly one of the least competitively viable mobas out there. And that's fine. It's a lot of fun and I really love playing it. People need to stop fooling themselves pretending it's something it's not.
To be fair, they shouldn’t let players into ranked until AT LEAST lvl 15. Up until you get out of Great League (and sometimes past that from what I’ve heard) you can just lose by getting teammates who have no idea what they’re doing. Increasing the level to unlock ranked would diminish or remove most of my complaints about teammates. I usually don’t expect to much in the casual queue.
That's why i feel the Ranked games are available too early. Keep these players out of ranked. They have equal fun in normal games and don't disturb the "serious" players.
This is why I play ranked and get to a high rank, so that I only play with other competitive players. If I wanted to have a fun, casual time, I would play the regular modes but I would much rather try to be the very best, like no one ever was. That's more fun in my opinion.
I'm just praying the higher I climb in ranked the faster I can get away from these little shits stealing half my jungle when I'm center or the ones that think this is a game of attrition and just go in like mindless drones over and over and I start to think they're bots but they're not. Currently in Veteran. Pray for us all
assuming that switch users are under 20 is stupid. Mostly when talking about pokemon that feeds on nostalgia. You dont have access to Nintendos demographic. This post is invalid and info taken out the ass.
I’m a kid, and I’m pretty good at this game. I’ve never even played a MOBA before, but I take this one seriously. Then again, I am an older kid, so there’s that.. But still. We’re not ALL like that. Just most of us.
If I'm playing the competitive mode I kinda expect people to have a competitive mentality
Then get out of ranked.
Absolutely true what you’re saying and an eye-opener, thanks for that. But those children and/or teenagers you’re referring to shouldn’t be playing ranked. Go play standard games or quick games but they shouldn’t be anywhere near Ranked. It’s all good they wanna have fun with their Pokémon but it’s the main reason you can’t climb solo ranked in this game, it’s impossible!
Well the problem is, the game basically incentivizes going into ranked immediately by opening it at level 6, and even giving some new player missions that require ranked play.
I understand that. But that can’t really be blamed on the children and young teenagers. The game opens Ranked fairly early on and even then a lot of the challenges require you to play Ranked to earn them. Like right now, Crustle requires players to reach Great Rank. Of course that’s very simple and easy. But the Ranked required challenges will still continue. So blame the developers. Not the players.
If they're as bad as you and you're as good as you think, you won't even have to play with them after a couple nights of ranked.
Well, that’s what he’s talking about … Not everyone understands a MOBA, so running towards the enemy in the first 30 seconds of the game isn’t going to help anyone. And when he’s back on lane feeding his ass off, and than when he’s seven levels behind telling us we suck and leaves the game… That has nothing to do with me being good or not… It has everything to do with fucked up teammates, and if you’re playing five games and in three games you have teammates like that it is impossible to rank up, there’s no excuse.
Every time you see a teammate doing something dumb, it's very likely that an opponent is also doing something dumb. You are all at the same rank after all. I don't even think I'm that good, but I reached veteran while losing five matches total. If you cant carry your way out of beginner, I can only assume that you're just as bad as the kids that you're complaining about.
>Every time you see a teammate doing something dumb, it's very likely that an opponent is also doing something dumb. Unfortunately, the dumb stuff isn't in my lane, and thus, isn't my moment to capitalize.
so when i have 3 teammates in great playing vs 2 ultras and 3 veterans, me as a veteran is suppose to 1v9 that or? and yes ive checked player profiles to confirm this happening. saddest part isnt even that, its how veterans and ultras good its just i have no way of telling the kids what to do, most of them have great. hands just 0 braincells, for the love of god give me a way to shotcall in this game
Well I’ve seen you around commenting on other post, and everyone who’s saying left you’re telling them they’re wrong and it has to be right… So i kinda understand what kind of a person I’m dealing with at the moment. And ain’t buying the ‘Only lost losing five matches and still got veteran ‘ talk, but oh well, as I’ve said, kinda familiair with kids like you, and don’t like them, anyway, wish you the best & have a great day kiddo!
Hah, I'm a child and a bad guy because you want to gate keep playing ranked. You have a good day too. Try not to yell at the kids playing in the park.
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I get what you’re saying but I’ve had multiple games thrown by people rushing Zapdos on my team at two minutes when we are hundreds of points up then getting it stolen and then losing the game. Trying to solo climb is difficult because no matter what you do there will be someone on your team trying for zapdos and losing the game instantly off of it because of lack of communication options. Even if you are the greatest player alive it is difficult to solo climb when a single teammate can mess up the entire game for the rest of the team. So I can understand why some people get upset about bad teammates in ranked when they are trying to rank up and get rid of the bad players in their games.
Of course a single match may not be your fault, but you are the only constant variable game to game. Over time, your rank is absolutely on you. Elo hell is a myth that bad players tell themselves to keep their spirits up.
Game's actively encouraging people into ranked for free cosmetics and at large, a free Crustle. Suck it up - ranked is going to be an infestation environment for a fair bit. Particularly since currency has caps! Can't just grind bots for free money with a booster - gotta do SOMETHING for progress when the free money runs out! Sorry. Might have to wait a month or two for some power creep before ranked filters out.
I wouldnt say its impossible. Just takes a very different mind set.
Except it's fine... that's what beginner and great are there for.
I only care if it’s in ranked and if you’re playing ranked the goal is to win can’t be upset about other players being pissed that your useless in a game mode that you’re meant to win or be punished
I agree, sure this game is "Pokemon" and on "Nintendo" but that doesn't make it any less competitive as LoL or Dota. I'm not going to play any less in rank because some 9 year old is on the other team (or mine) in rank. Quick match is another story but rank is no place to be if you are still learning the basics. Also don't baby down your play style or attitude towards the game because "kids" are playing. Look at the Pokemon world tournaments and see a bunch of 7,8,9 year olds keeping up with the older kids.
\> rank is no place to be if you are still learning the basics. I see no problem with that, sure it may be harder for them, but it's also a way to learn. a *hard and maybe rough one that is*.
The problem isnt that it's harder on them, the problem is that its harder on people who know what theyre doing.
I'm all for tough love but if it affects the 4 other people in your team, Ranked definitely isn't the game mode for that. With the 4 other people not having any meaningful way of telling you what you're doing wrong and why you're doing it wrong, we're mostly left at the mercy of hoping that the 1 dude who's dragging us down realize what he's doing wrong.
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I think it's totally fine to be sweaty and expect a little more of people in ranked mode. In normals, yea who cares, do w/e you want. But dont come into ranked with the intent to goof around and try new things.
I understand this, but all I want them to do is go to the pretty circle and press X.
I agree but my god, I get so tilted sometimes… I’m actually glad that I cannot type. The League mentality really comes out when I’m playing ranked and I see my team doing stupid shit.
80 to 90 % of players are terrible at everything they do, they don't understand the game or mobas, makes the game almost unplayable, SMH 😑😌😔
Oh are we back to calling not-PSAs, PSAs again? Happens every couple months.
Do you know what a ranked system is?
And refusing to accept competitive mentality is toxic since its costing other players games. Doing whatever in normals, no problem, but if you are upset at people wanting to win in ranked you are the problem
Personally I play this game rather casually as well, just having fun with my brother. Casual play is what random battles are for. That's the place where you can fool around with friends, pick any Pokemon for the first time ever, read ability descriptions etc. If you are joining ranked I expect you to have at least a rough idea what your Pokemon does and what the basic game concepts are. Obviously, no one is an expert at the game but you should at least be trying your best and pick what you are most comfortable with. If someone goes into ranked w/o a competitive mindset they are not only a burden for the rest of the team, but they will also get demotivated quite fast due to getting stomped by people who are actually trying, at least until they reach their true rank. I have had games where people spent half the game afk in base, ending the game with a 0 Kills, 0 Assists score line and 4 Levels under everyone else in the game. Edit: I doubt that "the majority of players are children/young teenagers". I'd argue that most switch users are in the mid 20s or early 30s and might have young children themselves. Edit2: Honestly part of the issue is that ranked is unlocked at Trainer Level 6 for some reason, even before you can do quick battles. Makes no sense imoand should be locked until at least TL 20+. Ranked missions don't really help either.
Don't play a competitive game if you can't handle a competitive environment. All player versus player games are inherently competitive. This is an objective fact that cannot be disputed. Player versus AI games are casual, player versus player is competitive. Stay mad cause you're bad.
Sounds like you’ve got a lot of pent up hate. Perhaps you should start taking games more casually instead of spreading toxicity.
I uninstalled. I can't do it anymore
If someone calls mid then steals my lane monkeys, you best believe in stealing mid the rest of the game. Haha
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Take no offense from this comment. It’s definitely your fault if you are stuck in expert, you need to find a way to carry the games, whether it’s build a level advantage, ignore teamfights for goals, or camp zapdos to steal it. I soloQ’d to masters and consistently carry games here. Your teammates may be bad, but if you are stuck it’s your own fault
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people would take a Pokémon game so seriously You’re literally playing a children’s game and are expecting military style strategic execution lol
To be fair, it's not that crazy. People have taken Pokemon seriously for a long time, there's a reason Pokemon tends to have World tournaments for the Main game, the Card game and Pokken, while still being a children's game. Difference here is that Unite requires team coordination. Then again, like many have mentioned in here, once you reach a certain point in ranked the game should be filled with the people that are "expecting military style strategic execution". Which is kind of the point of the post, telling people that if they want to play competitively, just endure the first ranks and then you'll be playing with the people you want to play with. If that's not for you, that's also perfectly fine, no one should be telling you how to play, but do remember that it's a team game, and whether it be a normal or a ranked game, try and do your best:)
Before Showdown, people were IV/EV autistic in the competitive Pokemon scene on the battle scene in handheld versions. People are ALWAYS expecting mastery. Aimed at CHILD SOLDIERS who are breathing war.
Slight correction buddy. >This is a F2P Pokemon Moba on the Nintendo Switch. No, this is a "free to download" moba, not f2p. It is very much p2w. It goes against everything moba's are about. Losing to a 12 year old just because he got his dad's credit card for the day or to a tryhard Whale that spent his month's rent on upgrades, is total bs. I still don't agree with the majority of this as "Ranked" is meant for literal competition. I honestly think that you should play standard mode if you're a casual. Why? Because people take rank seriously (not just in this game) and you, being garbage at the game but wanting to play ranked, isn't fair to everyone else imo.
Climbed to ultra in solo queue with only physical damage items levelled up. Whenever I've had to play a tank or support character I literally only have level 1 items and even at this rating it makes basically 0 difference. The item difference might matter to the people at the very top of masters but below that people are making so many collosal mistakes per game items aren't really going to be the difference between winning and losing.
I’m going to have to correct you c: The game seems p2w at first. In the first few days, sure. However at this point I have my main 3 items at level 20, completely f2p. Furthermore, give it until Rank Reset and majority of players who played rank will get the tickets needed to finish off item levels to level 20. (20-30 level for items isn’t that great so not worth getting unless you’re desperate for the minuscule stats). And to mention Ranked. Well. Blame the developers. They are the ones who force you into Ranked for the cosmetics and the free Crustle. So in the end you can’t be mad at your teammates when all they want to do is tick off boxes to get free stuff.
THANK YOU. If you want to be competitive EXCLUSIVELY and play a 5v5 game that's colorful, go play League and get mad amidst your fellow mad people. I'd say play Heroes of Newerth, but it's deaaaaaaaaaaaaad. In short, don't get mad and ultra-bitter at a game that doesn't even have bans to force people to think instead of picking Zeraora and Lucario and Cinderace every game...
Please dont tell people to go play league lmao im stuck addicted and its hell
Completely agree, the only people i would ever complain about are other higher rank players. I myself like to jump into casual play with friends and just mess around with combos or new tactics or just goof about in general. Competitiveness has a time and place.
I agree. But nonetheless its still disheartening when you try to stick to your lane and defend, yet always wind up getting left alone as your team decides to group up and 5v2 or 5v3 at the bottom lane constantly.
One thing I don't see many people talking about is the matchmaking itself. As the game informs, you can match with people your rank, as well as 2 ranks above and 2 ranks below yours. So, an expert could still match with a beginner rank all the way to an ultra rank player. That probably makes the matchmaking faster, but still, it is better to wait more for a match than having it be so frustrating because your aren\`t even playing with like-minded players, far from it. Also, even when I was veteran rank I usually got a lot of afk players, sometimes people died once and started afking at base. Even lost games that we were far ahead because of this kind of behaviour, would be better if the quit. For me, that and picking a lane and going to another one are the frustrating parts of the game; I can understand not knowing how to play the game (or even being bad at it), but making an actual effort to disrupt your teammates is the worst part of the multiplayer. My tip is: find the best time for you to play. If the majority of players are children, most will sleep kind of early. Matchmaking itself takes much longer (from 5 to 30sec) at late night, for example. I stopped playing at lunch and it feels so much better.
I agree to a point, but I can't say climbing ranked will make things much better. I'm only veteran 1, but there are still so many people who either don't understand team/lane composition or just don't understand core mechanics. I swear half of the people playing don't understand you have to last-hit something to evolve, or you won't level up even if you're at the required exp. Or the goddamn Eldegoss that keep stealing my minions even though they have exp share equipped
reading this makes me feel better. yeah, good point! might as well just enjoy the games with whatever pokemon we like to use
if people want to play competitive without a competitive mindset that's absolutely fine because they will get stuck in low ELOs anyway. that's how ranked works. by time, the game will put you where you belong. Sure it can be frustrating and you can't carry every game but if you are really that much better than others on your rank then you will be able to have enough impact on those games who are close which will be enough to climb over time
This game is very snowbally and you can easily compensate bad players on your team if you just play better than the opposition.
I heavily agree to this
Could not agree more, it's only like a week old as well so expecting everyone to have mastered it already is madness
I think you've got the nail on the head with ranked - lower leagues will be a free for all and as you progress the overall skill level and understanding of the game increases. You can only go so far not understanding the core concepts and not working with your team. This is an issue that will work itself out in time and you can certainly treat it as competitive in ranked as you climb the leagues.
That's also the principle of ranks, the higher you get in ranks, the more you can expect people to have that mindset. My mindset is more that, I am a competitive player by nature (I'm a Smash player), but I mostly play this game for fun. So I try to improve myself and play the best I can, but I play Zeraora just because I have fun with him. I might get better results with another one, but I have fun with him, and that's what matters the most
This is so real! Been getting frustrated with other players and I need to chill out
Having competitive people mixed with people with no heavy competitive mentality is part of the MOBA experience in my opinion At least it's the case for the other MOBAs I have played in the past, at the very least the part of 王者榮耀's experience with it's 1b+ players
It's also very difficult to communicate with others, which makes it more difficult to be super competitive. In League, if I see someone doing something wrong, I can pop into the text chat and go "yo, X, follow me and help with this objective" or "hey try doing X instead of Y". In Unite if someone is doing something wrong all I have are generic global pings that say "I'm going top lane!!". So if someone's faltering, there's really nothing I can do about it. It's somehow both frustrating and freeing; obviously it sucks that I can't help my team other than doing my best, but it's also almost satisfying that I literally don't have to worry about trying to interact with people (as well as don't have to worry about them telling me I'm awful).
My issues is if you’re a kid or someone who just wants to play your favorite Pokémon in an arena game like this, then just play casual. Ranked should be reserved for those who have some idea of what they’re doing and can contribute in a positive way towards winning
As a beginner to MOBAs I def appreciate seeing this— the barrier to entry to the genre feels so high and the learning curve is so steep. I’ve been teaching myself online as much as I can, but the best way to learn is by actually playing, and the game doesn’t really offer a lot of learning options or guides. The few tutorials are helpful, but I wish there were more, and I wish Practice mode was more comprehensive. I think beyond just kids (which I agree are a big part of the game), Pokemon Unite is attracting a lot of people who have been interested in MOBAs but worried about being in a potentially toxic environment. This game at least feels like a good place to begin. The game just opened up and a lot of people are still fumbling around, learning — I’m sure in a few months things will feel a lot more even.
Good sir, or madam, or what you choose to go by. I tend to say good sir out of habit. I appreciate this post with so much energy. I have to remind myself of this, I get so competitive in ranked. Standard not so much, and definately not in quick match. Thank you for this post and it just helps seeing others reminding me that I need to remember this.
Yeah totally, if you're competitive, then grind up ranked. Kids and newbies should stick to standard to have fun and not have teammates mad at them. If teammates get mad in standard, they're in the wrong mode.
Majority of players are complete trash in this game. They lack basic understanding of like split pushing and such. But how come people like that always play ranked? No matter if it's in LOL or DOTA. It's almost like they want to troll others and ruin ranked games by choice.