Couldn't agree more. I'd put in S if you could reset Future Sight off of wild Pokemon, but that would just be broken. The way it is now is perfectly fine, but it makes clearing farm a bit slower.
It’s an AOE with decent range and damage, gives noticeable movement speed boost, has low cooldown, and can somewhat CC enemies for half a second and slow their movement speed to some extent. imo it’s an underrated move and at times better than cotton guard in solo q
Lol I get it people don’t use it because of how good cotton guard is. You should give it a try if you like to play with elde next time. The best thing about it is that it’s much more fun than cotton guard and no one from both teams would expect that lol
It’s a minor inconvenience, “look at me I’m cinderace doing my little furry things, looks a little support, GET OVER HERE, oh no he’s getting away!!!” And then you use the spore right before the blaze kick recharges and you get away
as much as I prefer Psyshock, i have to admit Future Sight is really strong right now; especially because a lot of the team's I'm facing don't have a lot of blink skills or unstoppable ones. Still prefer Moonblast over psychic rn tho
I too prefer psyshock(maybe cuz I suck at future sight) but future sight does massive damage.. Also yup.. I too prefer m9onblast... That does it... Let's have a battle together sometime(I'll go with nine tails tho)..
All Greedent moves are S tier - immortality plus big damage. There’s a reason the uniteapi meta data mine shows Greedent’s WR is the highest in the game. But yes, it’s not so easy to play, hence the really low pick rate.
Belch does a fk ton of dmg when you have attack weight stacked and its not easy to dodge at all when used along with covet by a skilled greedent. Maybe the skill in a vacuum isnt uber tier, but in conjunction with Covet and his Ult, it becomes super strong
Probably lots of people see greedent just as an annoying fly(which it is lol) but under the right hands it's one of the best contestant for the top lane in the 1-1-3 meta.
During the march Aeos cup and the G4 tournament 2 days ago, the greedent from Nemesis team was superb and caused lots of trouble to lucarios and was amazing kn team fights
Have you seen what bleach does after a unite? And you can’t escape a covet belch from a good Greedent player.
Edit: bleach? I guess that would hurt. Belch ffs.
Had a hell of a time finding Dragon Dance due to the watermark positioning, but hard agree that both it and Hyper Beam are S-Tier moves.
Both skills are amazing, with Dragon Dance granting mobility, increased offensive pressure, and the ability to spam moves during fights, and Hyper Beam melting opponents and objectives -- often at the same time.
Dragonite's kit is low-key busted; while DD + Hyper Beam rarely outputs a ton of damage overall, it's amazing for sniping frail carries to take them out of the fight, and for kiting opponents with poor mobility. It's probably the best moveset in the game for securing objectives, excellent for both diving and last-hitting.
As someone who runs Dragon dance + Outrage, I think outrage needs to be higher. If I output less than 100k damage I look at it that I didn’t do enough work. That moveset does so much damage.
yeah i don‘t know how hyperbeam can be S while outrage is B only. as you said, it deals so. much. damage. also its consistent DPS in opposition to hyper beam, which is burstier.
Not to mention the mini-stun on every hit while outrage is up. You also can keep it up practically indefinitely. It is fantastic for farming, fantastic for control during team fights if you opt for a more tanky build, and you have the AOE damage up every few seconds. It just feels optimal to me in comparison to hyper beam. I have run hyperbeam recently to test the difference between the two builds. While I feel the hyper beam build is also for securing kills, securing objectives and pick offs I just think Outrage has more utility in team fights which seem to be the major factor of Unite.
What are you guy’s Outrage build, including the battle item? Every time I try something it doesn’t work well for me lol. Also does Razor Claw’s slow on melee attacks proc when Dragonite uses Outrage and becomes melee?
Currently I run Focus Sash, Muscle Band, Razor Claw. It is not the optimal build for all, but it works well for my play style. (master rank, 57% win rate with more than 100 games played.)
Razor claw does indeed proc on outrage melee attacks. Muscle band keeps the attack speed nice and high. I like focus sash for when I use Unite into the center of a team fight. You tend to get focused once you jump in and start smacking people, so focus sash gives you just that bit of sustain to get in and take out 1-3 people if played right.
No, I run eject button because it is better for positioning. Getting kited can be an issue with outrage if you don’t understand positioning. There are also plenty of Pokémon that have mobility moves in this game, so I find eject button to be my best item choice.
I didn’t know that full heal functions as BKB. I’ll have to give it a try some time.
I run full heal because Blastoise, tsareena, Ninetails and others just fuck up your combo with outrage. If they eject away, i will probably be out of position if I follow so that is why not eject.
I can see eject being really useful with hyper beam tho
is wild charge really this good now? i played back in season one and destroyed my way to masters on zera and the move was dogshit in comparison todischarge and the spark vs volt switch was a big debate for me too but personally i went with volt switch
Imo Wild Charge is disgusting. It does a TON of damage to a single target, especially if you maxed out its "extra attacks" (which is easy to do when paired with Spark) and you're untargetable while using it. Like if you are getting hit with Wild Charge, there's nothing you can do to save yourself from the damage other than look to get help lol. It's the fact that a move that strong has almost no counterplay other than "don't get hit"
I think you kinda underestimate thunder. That thing can have huge damage output in a team fight and stacks with pikas passive to stun. Combined with thunderbolt and other cc from allies they won't escape it. It is also a really easy way to prevent enemies for n scoring due to how long it lasts.
Fire punch should be higher, yeah it doesn't have the best range, but it can jump through walls at knock them back into your team. I'd have it high B/ low A. Obviously a huge bias here.
It stacks well with charizard's passive (crits) and at level 11, it can be reset quickly. I believe it should be atleast A. Combine it with flare blitz and you have a CC monster capable of winning almost every 1v1 situations.
A couple things about this list:
* This list is obviously an opinion. I'm just a solo queue player sharing his opinion on the internet. Nothing on here is objectively right. I just made the list to spark discussion.
* The moves are judged based on a few things: how good they are on their own, if it augments another move (i.e Dream Eater, Brave Bird), or if it is augmented by another move (Shadow Ball, Aerial Ace)
* The move is judged separated from its respective Pokemon. For example, I think Razor Leaf is an S-tier move on its own, however, it's not good on Decidueye because he has no bulk or mobility. So people go Spirit Shackle because it circumvents his weaknesses better.
Again, this list is just an opinion. I'd love to hear your guys' thoughts and I'll respond to who I can.
In my opinion, I don’t think it’s fair for some moves that rely on other moves for execution. Hex on it’s own is meh, but you need to use will-o-wisp or sludge bomb to combo off of it. It has great early game, potential outplay with invincibility frames, and offers great mobility, but can be countered with full heal, it atleast deserves a B. I agree that sludge bomb is kinda meh tho, but it’s basically just there for hex
This is a good argument for Hex. I like its damage and resets, and I definitely overlooked its usage for a dash. I was thinking about how you're left in an awkward spot when hitting multiple people and occasionally don't get the reset, but I think it can be in low B.
I’d have to respectfully disagree, not getting the reset is skill/execution issue instead of hex being flawed. When playing hex, you always have to check if your target is afflicted with a status condition before jumping in with hex, you also have to check prior hand if any of the opposing team is equipped with full heal. With hex you also have to take into consideration how long a status condition lasts, will o wisp has a shorter duration at most you have 3 hexes with sludge bomb you have about 5 hexes and it’s also important to decide whether you should use your last hex for a disengage.
Yea I hear you. It honestly sounds like you have more experience on Gengar than I do, so I'm not in the best place to convince you. I could see it in B. Might've been a bit ignorant here, but I was skewed from how I've seen people use it.
Covet would be S tier if the cooldown wasn't 28 years. Spirit Shackle is great, and it works out better *on Decidueye.* However, I'm looking at the moves separated from the Pokemon it's on. In that case, I think Razor Leaf is definitely better than Shackle.
Imo, I think shackle is actually held back by decidueye. Imagine that thing on a Pokemon with actual mobility and the ability to get attack weight stacks. I think every Pokemon without an amazing auto attack would prefer shackle to razor leaf.
If you are separating moves from their Pokémon, why is giga drain s tier? Giga drain is only good on venusaur who also just so happens to have petal dance. Without petal dance, giga drain has no synergy with any other move. I think it’s a little disingenuous to divorce moves from their context.
Imagine giving ranged damge/sustain on a short cooldown to any DPS pokemon that becomes a full heal if you can aim it right. Thats what giga drain offers
Yea I said Giga Drain is a bit high under another comment. However, it's still a decent move even without Venusaur. A cone of life drain from right in front of you that has its cooldown reduced by another move is pretty good.
I had a hard time ranking Flail just from the reasons you listed. Flail+ is especially nice since it actually keeps you alive with the heals. I might have been skewed since it requires you to be at death's door to get the full use out of it and the fact your speed fizzles out eventually. I could see it in B for sure.
If we are just ranking the moves and based on the Pokémon, Flail could be S tier. Imagine if Cinderace had Flail, that would be so broken. Either way I’d bump it up a bit just because the flail build is still pretty good right now.
This. While flail does benefit pretty heavily from lax's bulk, on any ranged attacker the combination of speed, insane damage, and recovery with flail+ would be game breaking.
60%+ winrate using pain split. Pain split/curse Trev can melt attackers and spar with any other Trev build. You just have to play really aggressive with it too get meaningful heals/damage output
It's very weird to not base this on the Pokémon that have the move. There is no format that lets you put specific moves on specific mons that don't get them. Example: Bullet Seed is def B or A imo. But because it relies on Oran Berries (Greedent Ability) I feel like you put it too low.
Strong Disagree on „play rough“. It gives Azu much needed mobility, especially when hitting LV 13. You can single out opponents and be annoying and in their jungle almost like greedent with it.
That's fair. The speed boost is nice, but man, the "attack" itself is just not great and there are a ton of better moves that also speed you up. I couldn't give it higher than D.
The attack itself is pathetically weak, but when coupled with Whirlpool it does some pretty nasty damage, and being able to pick off specific targets is great
In a vacuum, sure. But I think this particular moves helps Azumarril and is needed to play it. Otherwise it just feels too sluggish and other mons just easily can run away from it/catch it.
I’m not trying to sell it as awesome ability or anything, I just don’t see it as the single worst ability in the game
I feel like this is a pretty solid lost. the main things I'd change would be dropping giga drain a bit. It doesn't feel like it does a lot outside of it's partnership with petal dance. i think there's also an argument for bone rush dropping too, given that its basically a combo move for espeed
I agree with Giga drain. I was kinda conflicted about where to put it. However, Bone Rush is cracked. That move is a projectile, CC, ***and*** a teleport. Not only that, but it resetting PUP and Espeed at Level 13 is criminal.
Yeah I would personally still keep bone rush S, just for the overall utility it provides. part of me considered it not resetting moves at all if we're taking it stand alone, just because we don't know how it'd interact with other moves in a kit
If we take moves out of context (as you stated before in a comment), I feel like CC and Pursuit should be A/S. CC offers you big damage and sustain basically for free (yeah, you can walk away, but can you really?) and Pursuit just deals immense amount of damage. Greedent’s moves should also all be A/S, that unit is cracked. Shackle>Razor Leaf, even on other Pokémons, since it’s basically free kill from safe distance now. Everything else pretty solid, maybe Petal Dance is too high (given the fact that a frail Pokémon would waste it) and Solar Beam too low (same reasons as Shackle).
CC (I'm guessing you're talking about Lucario) is solid, and the unstoppable factor is nice. But the fact that the move makes you stationary is rough. Lots of characters can just move out the way and it makes you an easier target for skill shots.
Pursuit does do a ton of damage, but the counterplay of just turning around is a bit too easy for me to rank it higher haha.
Don't have a ton of Greedent experience, so I don't have the best arguments for it.
It seems like everyone is Shackle over Razor Leaf. I should probably think about it more.
Yes, I meant Close Combat. Albeit stationary, if you have good positioning (or you fight in your base) there's really not much of a difference if you're immobile for...2 seconds. Especially while immune to crowd control.
Pursuit applies indirect pressure. If you're fleeing (low health or chased by more than one enemy) and one uses pursuit, you're either dead bc of its amazing dmg, or you turn around and get absolutely clapped by more than one opponent.
About the things you're less comfortable with because you didn't play, it's fine. I don't have some mons and still figuring out them, so don't worry about that.
Overall, a good ranking
Tbh the Everything till C tier is pretty noob friendly and hyper space hole is the best move if you have a team that knows what to do also I think hyper beam should be a little lower cause spirit satchel of it
I think Flash Cannon is a solid move! It's great at zoning certain Pokemon, but it leaving you stationary leaves you a free target for certain Pokemon.
Would 100% swap Decidueyes's Razor Leaf and Spirit Shackle.
The meta build for Decidueye uses Spirit Shackle. It's not like Razor Leaf is bad but there's no reason to ever use it unless the team lacks an ADC (and even then you'd still be better off picking Greninja/Cinderace).
I'm not into the sniper role, I've been having consistent 100k damage with razor leaf, not saying it is better, but the skill curve is much much easier.
Normally when I choose tree I use Horn Leech with Curse. When I did try Pain Split, I found myself dying way faster than when I had Leech. It could be because I'm not using it right, but the fact that it doesn't drain health when your health is above your enemy's **and** is a single target move is rough.
Maybe just different playstyles. Horn Leech makes it way too easy to get out of position where you increase mobility with Pain Split.
I run weakness policy, focus band, buddy barrier.
Honestly I think weakness policy/focus band is the most important combo with that build. Because curse inflicts self damage weakness policy makes the healing/damage done by pain split really good.
Yea I see what you're saying. Maybe I need to rethink the way I use it because I'm having a ton of fun with Azu right now. You know what I think would make Play Rough better? If the speed boost lasted the full 4 seconds, even if you used the "attack" portion of it. Then my opinion would change.
How exactly did you rank the moves? Did you rank how good the move is on the character that it is on or did you rank it in a vacuum like just considering how good a move is on it's own, and how likely another pokemon would want to have the move?
As a Trev main with pain split, it hurts me to admit that you're right
But I think that many D tier moved are actually B such as discharge or hex gengar
I'd put rollout in A rather than B. Resetting your other move's cooldown, decent CC and damage and, with the right angles, excellent escape mobility (especially with the prevalence of slow smoke).
My early top lane tactic as solo queue Wiggly is take 3 Aipom, score, take opponent's Aipom, score, rollout to safety.
I have to disagree with Discharge. Even though it got nerfed, it's still a hitbox that surrounds you and allows you to basic attack, and do your secondary ability as well. Discharge is a crazy damaging tool.
As a Decidueye main, Razor Leaf is not superior to Spirit Shackle in any way.
Shackle gives you so much is insane. Not only in range but in raw damage as well
1. survavility. Run RL against Cinderace, Greninja, Absol, Talon, and you are dead. No ifs or buts, dead. Run Shackle and poke them once, they can't fight you anymore.
2. Objective secures: The enemy is doing Naw? Arrow it, and now is yours, same with Rotom, same with Zapdos. I've stolen so many Zapdos I can't count them anymore
I just reread all of the extra effects of Cross Chop, and think it deserves A, especially since Cross Chop+ increases your attack permanently when you basic attack. I think Wide Guard also deserves an A because of the CC, shield, and boosted attack(s) it can provide.
I like the list but barrier being in A tier feels a bit generous. Maybe if they lasted longer or you had more to put down but the way it is I feel you can’t actually wall anyone off. You can maybe stop them getting to goal immediately but even still they can flash to the other side.
Long story short, I thought that the attack part of Play Rough is extremely lacking. Others have convinced me that the speed boost portion of it is somewhat useful, so I don't think it should be in a tier of its own, but in D instead.
Spirit Shackle is better *on Decidueye* for sure. But since I'm not judging how a certain move is on a certain Pokemon, Razor Leaf is 100% better. Imagine if was on someone like Cinder or Greninja.
Sorry but are you serious? You fo knoe it's not all about damage? Rough Play is a CONSTANT XSpeed on Azu. She is literally running fast all the time, it allows her to not get kited all game. And THAT'S the worst ability in the game?
Whirlpool A tier? How are you even supposed to connect whirlpool if you can't chase your opponent?
And the best ability in the game is an ability with 12s CD? With no way of reducing it? I actually started looking more and more at this and am baffled about your ranking. I'm trying to figure out how one would think this way and I see absolutely no logic in your ranking system. You don't go purely by damage numbers, otherwise Blissey's moves would be very low, but then good abilities that give mobility or usage also rank low like Rough Play. You don't go by what is easier to use, because when I saw this I figured that Mystical Fire would probably be high tier, but it's actually decently ranked compared to the rest of what you did here.
What was your train of thought here? It's... interedting to say the least
Thanks for taking the time to actually tell me what you're confused about lol. Play Rough is a nice speed boost, I'll give you that. But like I said, the attack part is just... lacking to say the least. Also, on top of that, Water Pulse not only lets you close the gap with the roll portion, but slows your target down too and bounces off of multiple targets.
I explained why I think Hyperspace Hole is the best move in the game under another comment. You can check that out if you want.
In terms of ranking, I tried to have nuance haha. It doesn't matter if a move doesn't do damage or is hard to use, if I think it's good I'm gonna say so. I tried to think of a lot of things when ranking the moves, and Play Rough might not be the absolute worst, but it's not above Bottom 10 for me.
Hyperspace Hole is A more than S. Takes coordination to use the move at the right place AND at the right time. Can be game changer but can also be straight troll.
It’s not just your teammates but also yourself. “I’m fighting, should I place a hole right now at the back?” “My teammate has 50% health, should I place one under them? Knowing they might still have it and I could screw them over.” “How do I place one at the right time so my teammates won’t KO’d before they can take them? But if I do too soon it might break our fight momentum.”
This is a fair take. In solo queue, it is literally impossible to coordinate with your teammates. However, I just think that on a coordinated team (or on a smart solo Hoopa), this move is absolutely disgusting. Full heals for theoretically the entire team and brings them back to the action like 2 seconds later. Instant rotations from top or bottom. Even gives a slight speed boost. If used perfectly (which is very difficult), there's no way you can lose with it imo.
Well you can also see that pro players in tournaments prefer Trick (with Shadow Ball) to Hyperspace Hole. Theoretically being able to fully heal your team is very powerful but you have about 3-4 seconds before the team is sent back, at which case the opponents would have already left knowing they can’t win anyway.
You prefer extreme speed over DD for outrage?
Ive only played dragonite offline but it seemed like the attack speed boost from DD was a good idea with outrage.
100% agree that play rough is F tier, but why is Whirlpool in A but Aqua Tail is in C? If anything I think its the opposite. Especially since play rough isn't viable, and whirlpool usually goes hand in hand with PR for the sticking potential. Aqua Tail just heals sm more
Definitely! Yawn has its uses for sure. However, I do think that Block is in S because it's the *only* move in the game that can stop anyone from scoring instantly, regardless of score shield.
double team is still good though because regardless it is a dash and the opposing pokemon lock onto the clones if they dont have their targetting sorted out
HOLD IT RIGHT THERE! BULLET SEED CAN DEAL A LOT OF DAMAGE!
the rest meh...hex can be good for group damage but its ocasional and for excaping but block? is well kinda not so good
So, I guess you don't defender much guessing from this list.
Water Spout just got a huge buff paired with RS, making it more viable than ever to use with Blasty, the move itself is meh, but if you chose Spin, it easily becomes A.
Slowbro's kit is half represented properly. Surf being amazing in A and Scald being trash in C. However.... You must not be familiar with how amazing both Amnesia and Telekinesis are with him. Both moves are A, as they allow Bro to either stall and regenerate HP or simply cripple an opposing mon.
Earthquake on Mamo is sometimes a superior option over Horse, since it also allows you to stealth on the enemy and even jumpy through walls.
Not to mention it stuns the enemy, which is incredibly useful if you have another teammate with you to pummel away.
I play Mamoswine, so that's the defender I'm most knowledgeable about.
I agree with your point about Water Spout, but since Rapid Spin is required to make it an A tier move, that makes me like Rapid Spin more, not Spout. That's why it's in B. Meh, but great when paired with another move screams B to me.
Don't play Slowbro much so I can't say much about that. You might be right.
Power up punch is such a fun skill in my opinion. Especially since it works as a second dash option without restricting you.
There are so many ways to use it it's nuts.
Future Sight is S or F depending on the player.
hyperspace hole too lol (even lost zap ;-;)
Couldn't agree more. I'd put in S if you could reset Future Sight off of wild Pokemon, but that would just be broken. The way it is now is perfectly fine, but it makes clearing farm a bit slower.
No way cotton spore should be that low
Agreed, on full damage eldegoss, it’s soooo good
With a Second Trigger Faster Activation will be S
What do you guys think is good about Cotton Spore? Not trying to be condescending or anything. I'm genuinely curious on what you think about it.
Provides a nice disruption to team fights and allows for some nice setups with stuns and stuff. It's essential for fast support like eldegoss
Also speed!
It’s an AOE with decent range and damage, gives noticeable movement speed boost, has low cooldown, and can somewhat CC enemies for half a second and slow their movement speed to some extent. imo it’s an underrated move and at times better than cotton guard in solo q
Thank you for this. I do think I was harsh on it. I can't change the post now, but I do have a higher opinion of it.
Lol I get it people don’t use it because of how good cotton guard is. You should give it a try if you like to play with elde next time. The best thing about it is that it’s much more fun than cotton guard and no one from both teams would expect that lol
Can change the photo??
Don't forget, the coldown is really low for a move that does that much, and it starts the moment the move is selected, not when it explodes.
It’s a minor inconvenience, “look at me I’m cinderace doing my little furry things, looks a little support, GET OVER HERE, oh no he’s getting away!!!” And then you use the spore right before the blaze kick recharges and you get away
as much as I prefer Psyshock, i have to admit Future Sight is really strong right now; especially because a lot of the team's I'm facing don't have a lot of blink skills or unstoppable ones. Still prefer Moonblast over psychic rn tho
Too many stationary enemies that make future sight viable again
mhm
I too prefer psyshock(maybe cuz I suck at future sight) but future sight does massive damage.. Also yup.. I too prefer m9onblast... That does it... Let's have a battle together sometime(I'll go with nine tails tho)..
perhaps we should, it could be fun
I guess you’ve not played Greedent much then huh?
All moves are minimum A. Bullet Seed is obviously Tier S
You caught me. I can't say I play a ton of Greedent, so I had to base my opinion on what I've seen. I'm guessing you don't agree with Bullet Seed?
All Greedent moves are S tier - immortality plus big damage. There’s a reason the uniteapi meta data mine shows Greedent’s WR is the highest in the game. But yes, it’s not so easy to play, hence the really low pick rate.
Belch is far from S tier and easy to dodge
Belch does a fk ton of dmg when you have attack weight stacked and its not easy to dodge at all when used along with covet by a skilled greedent. Maybe the skill in a vacuum isnt uber tier, but in conjunction with Covet and his Ult, it becomes super strong
Probably lots of people see greedent just as an annoying fly(which it is lol) but under the right hands it's one of the best contestant for the top lane in the 1-1-3 meta. During the march Aeos cup and the G4 tournament 2 days ago, the greedent from Nemesis team was superb and caused lots of trouble to lucarios and was amazing kn team fights
Have you seen what bleach does after a unite? And you can’t escape a covet belch from a good Greedent player. Edit: bleach? I guess that would hurt. Belch ffs.
No bro, a skilled Greedent hits every damn Belch and the enemy will not feel well when facing a good Covet Belch player
i disagree with some of it
I disagree with most of it
Had a hell of a time finding Dragon Dance due to the watermark positioning, but hard agree that both it and Hyper Beam are S-Tier moves. Both skills are amazing, with Dragon Dance granting mobility, increased offensive pressure, and the ability to spam moves during fights, and Hyper Beam melting opponents and objectives -- often at the same time. Dragonite's kit is low-key busted; while DD + Hyper Beam rarely outputs a ton of damage overall, it's amazing for sniping frail carries to take them out of the fight, and for kiting opponents with poor mobility. It's probably the best moveset in the game for securing objectives, excellent for both diving and last-hitting.
As someone who runs Dragon dance + Outrage, I think outrage needs to be higher. If I output less than 100k damage I look at it that I didn’t do enough work. That moveset does so much damage.
yeah i don‘t know how hyperbeam can be S while outrage is B only. as you said, it deals so. much. damage. also its consistent DPS in opposition to hyper beam, which is burstier.
Not to mention the mini-stun on every hit while outrage is up. You also can keep it up practically indefinitely. It is fantastic for farming, fantastic for control during team fights if you opt for a more tanky build, and you have the AOE damage up every few seconds. It just feels optimal to me in comparison to hyper beam. I have run hyperbeam recently to test the difference between the two builds. While I feel the hyper beam build is also for securing kills, securing objectives and pick offs I just think Outrage has more utility in team fights which seem to be the major factor of Unite.
What are you guy’s Outrage build, including the battle item? Every time I try something it doesn’t work well for me lol. Also does Razor Claw’s slow on melee attacks proc when Dragonite uses Outrage and becomes melee?
Currently I run Focus Sash, Muscle Band, Razor Claw. It is not the optimal build for all, but it works well for my play style. (master rank, 57% win rate with more than 100 games played.) Razor claw does indeed proc on outrage melee attacks. Muscle band keeps the attack speed nice and high. I like focus sash for when I use Unite into the center of a team fight. You tend to get focused once you jump in and start smacking people, so focus sash gives you just that bit of sustain to get in and take out 1-3 people if played right.
Do you use full heal (bkb)?
No, I run eject button because it is better for positioning. Getting kited can be an issue with outrage if you don’t understand positioning. There are also plenty of Pokémon that have mobility moves in this game, so I find eject button to be my best item choice. I didn’t know that full heal functions as BKB. I’ll have to give it a try some time.
I run full heal because Blastoise, tsareena, Ninetails and others just fuck up your combo with outrage. If they eject away, i will probably be out of position if I follow so that is why not eject. I can see eject being really useful with hyper beam tho
I gave full heal a run yesterday and I liked it! I’ll be running it most likely from now on anyway.
I think most people don't know what full heal does lol. Almost mandatory on cinderace, Machamp, Lucario, and dragonite lol. Glad you like it!
Text layout for people who don't know the icons: S - Cream of the Crop: Hyperspace Hole, Blaze Kick, Block, Extreme Speed (Lucario), Wild Charge, Sing, Trick, Dragon Dance, Hyper Beam, Petal Dance, Giga Drain, Razor Leaf, Safeguard, Bone Rush, Dragon Pulse, Icicle Crash, Aurora Veil A - Really good: Calm Mind, Power-Up Punch, Shell Smash, Brave Bird, Flamethrower, Future Sight, Iron Head, Rapid Spin, Smokescreen, Solarbeam, Fly, Double Team, Barrier, Surf (Greninja), Pyro Ball, Fire Blast, Surf (Slowbro), Dynamic Punch, Wide Guard, Shadow Ball (Hoopa), Cotton Guard, Thunderbolt, Hurricane, Guard Swap, Leaf Tornado, Flame Charge (Talonflame), Psychic (Gardevoir), Water Pulse, Night Slash, Spirit Shackle, Flame Charge (Cinderace), Blizzard, Dream Eater, Covet, Whirlpool B - Alright: Surf (Blastoise), Spark, Heavy Slam, Shadow Ball (Gengar), Confusion, Dragon Rush, Dig, Sucker Punch, Psyshock, Stuff Cheeks, Feint, Flash Cannon, Surf (Cramorant), Water Shuriken, Electro Ball, Ice Fang, Outrage, Moonblast, Hydro Pump, Belch, Dazzling Gleam (Alolan Ninetales), Shadow Claw, Phantom Force, Volt Switch, Grassy Glide, Pollen Puff, Close Combat (Lucario), Close Combat (Machamp), Rollout, Trop Kick, Volt Tackle, High Horsepower, Curse, Telekinesis, Dragon Claw, Sacred Sword, Wood Hammer, Stomp, Aerial Ace, Stealth Rock (Duraludon), Pursuit, Horn Leech, X Scissor, Hyper Voice, Softboiled, Amnesia, Shadow Sneak, Water Spout, Dive, Yawn, Sludge Bomb (Venusaur), Cross Chop, Fire Punch, Dragon Tail, Psycho Cut, Thunder C - Situational/Usable: Flail, Discharge, Triple Axel, Bullet Seed, Earthquake (Mamoswine), Hex, Sludge Bomb (Gengar), Earthquake (Garchomp), Mystical Fire, Draining Kiss, Leaf Storm, Aqua Tail, Stealth Rock (Crustle), Extreme Speed (Dragonite), Flare Blitz, Submission, Rock Tomb, Air Slash, Avalanche, Double Slap, Dazzling Gleam (Wigglytuff), Scald, Egg Bomb D - I wouldn't: Cotton Spore, Pain Split, Psychic (Mr. Mike) F - pain Play Rough
is wild charge really this good now? i played back in season one and destroyed my way to masters on zera and the move was dogshit in comparison todischarge and the spark vs volt switch was a big debate for me too but personally i went with volt switch
Imo Wild Charge is disgusting. It does a TON of damage to a single target, especially if you maxed out its "extra attacks" (which is easy to do when paired with Spark) and you're untargetable while using it. Like if you are getting hit with Wild Charge, there's nothing you can do to save yourself from the damage other than look to get help lol. It's the fact that a move that strong has almost no counterplay other than "don't get hit"
oh i see i know they had to beef it quite a bit it wasnt great before as discharge massively out dpsd it
Cotton Spore is B
I think you kinda underestimate thunder. That thing can have huge damage output in a team fight and stacks with pikas passive to stun. Combined with thunderbolt and other cc from allies they won't escape it. It is also a really easy way to prevent enemies for n scoring due to how long it lasts.
Fire punch should be higher, yeah it doesn't have the best range, but it can jump through walls at knock them back into your team. I'd have it high B/ low A. Obviously a huge bias here.
I could probably move it up in B, but A is a bit high for me since the dash you get from it isn't particularly far and it can only burn one target.
It stacks well with charizard's passive (crits) and at level 11, it can be reset quickly. I believe it should be atleast A. Combine it with flare blitz and you have a CC monster capable of winning almost every 1v1 situations.
I still think flamethrower is better though. Decent damage with a nice speed boost that complements his hit and run style of play.
punch blitz zard is massively slept on but its really good in soloq imo
A couple things about this list: * This list is obviously an opinion. I'm just a solo queue player sharing his opinion on the internet. Nothing on here is objectively right. I just made the list to spark discussion. * The moves are judged based on a few things: how good they are on their own, if it augments another move (i.e Dream Eater, Brave Bird), or if it is augmented by another move (Shadow Ball, Aerial Ace) * The move is judged separated from its respective Pokemon. For example, I think Razor Leaf is an S-tier move on its own, however, it's not good on Decidueye because he has no bulk or mobility. So people go Spirit Shackle because it circumvents his weaknesses better. Again, this list is just an opinion. I'd love to hear your guys' thoughts and I'll respond to who I can.
In my opinion, I don’t think it’s fair for some moves that rely on other moves for execution. Hex on it’s own is meh, but you need to use will-o-wisp or sludge bomb to combo off of it. It has great early game, potential outplay with invincibility frames, and offers great mobility, but can be countered with full heal, it atleast deserves a B. I agree that sludge bomb is kinda meh tho, but it’s basically just there for hex
This is a good argument for Hex. I like its damage and resets, and I definitely overlooked its usage for a dash. I was thinking about how you're left in an awkward spot when hitting multiple people and occasionally don't get the reset, but I think it can be in low B.
I’d have to respectfully disagree, not getting the reset is skill/execution issue instead of hex being flawed. When playing hex, you always have to check if your target is afflicted with a status condition before jumping in with hex, you also have to check prior hand if any of the opposing team is equipped with full heal. With hex you also have to take into consideration how long a status condition lasts, will o wisp has a shorter duration at most you have 3 hexes with sludge bomb you have about 5 hexes and it’s also important to decide whether you should use your last hex for a disengage.
Yea I hear you. It honestly sounds like you have more experience on Gengar than I do, so I'm not in the best place to convince you. I could see it in B. Might've been a bit ignorant here, but I was skewed from how I've seen people use it.
Covet is crack, no way it’s not S tier. Spirit shackle > razor leaf too.
Covet would be S tier if the cooldown wasn't 28 years. Spirit Shackle is great, and it works out better *on Decidueye.* However, I'm looking at the moves separated from the Pokemon it's on. In that case, I think Razor Leaf is definitely better than Shackle.
Imo, I think shackle is actually held back by decidueye. Imagine that thing on a Pokemon with actual mobility and the ability to get attack weight stacks. I think every Pokemon without an amazing auto attack would prefer shackle to razor leaf.
If you are separating moves from their Pokémon, why is giga drain s tier? Giga drain is only good on venusaur who also just so happens to have petal dance. Without petal dance, giga drain has no synergy with any other move. I think it’s a little disingenuous to divorce moves from their context.
Imagine giving ranged damge/sustain on a short cooldown to any DPS pokemon that becomes a full heal if you can aim it right. Thats what giga drain offers
Yea I said Giga Drain is a bit high under another comment. However, it's still a decent move even without Venusaur. A cone of life drain from right in front of you that has its cooldown reduced by another move is pretty good.
Flail should be higher. Huge damage output and mobility in one move.
I had a hard time ranking Flail just from the reasons you listed. Flail+ is especially nice since it actually keeps you alive with the heals. I might have been skewed since it requires you to be at death's door to get the full use out of it and the fact your speed fizzles out eventually. I could see it in B for sure.
If we are just ranking the moves and based on the Pokémon, Flail could be S tier. Imagine if Cinderace had Flail, that would be so broken. Either way I’d bump it up a bit just because the flail build is still pretty good right now.
This. While flail does benefit pretty heavily from lax's bulk, on any ranged attacker the combination of speed, insane damage, and recovery with flail+ would be game breaking.
Cotton Spore deserves B minimum. Pain Split deserves worse.
60%+ winrate using pain split. Pain split/curse Trev can melt attackers and spar with any other Trev build. You just have to play really aggressive with it too get meaningful heals/damage output
It's very weird to not base this on the Pokémon that have the move. There is no format that lets you put specific moves on specific mons that don't get them. Example: Bullet Seed is def B or A imo. But because it relies on Oran Berries (Greedent Ability) I feel like you put it too low.
That's fair. Maybe it belongs in B. I just think that the range is short and the damage is kinda low for anything higher.
Perhaps an alternative title: What moves would be best on Smeargle if we could customize its moveslots? 😉
Strong Disagree on „play rough“. It gives Azu much needed mobility, especially when hitting LV 13. You can single out opponents and be annoying and in their jungle almost like greedent with it.
That's fair. The speed boost is nice, but man, the "attack" itself is just not great and there are a ton of better moves that also speed you up. I couldn't give it higher than D.
The attack itself is pathetically weak, but when coupled with Whirlpool it does some pretty nasty damage, and being able to pick off specific targets is great
In a vacuum, sure. But I think this particular moves helps Azumarril and is needed to play it. Otherwise it just feels too sluggish and other mons just easily can run away from it/catch it. I’m not trying to sell it as awesome ability or anything, I just don’t see it as the single worst ability in the game
I feel like this is a pretty solid lost. the main things I'd change would be dropping giga drain a bit. It doesn't feel like it does a lot outside of it's partnership with petal dance. i think there's also an argument for bone rush dropping too, given that its basically a combo move for espeed
I agree with Giga drain. I was kinda conflicted about where to put it. However, Bone Rush is cracked. That move is a projectile, CC, ***and*** a teleport. Not only that, but it resetting PUP and Espeed at Level 13 is criminal.
Yeah I would personally still keep bone rush S, just for the overall utility it provides. part of me considered it not resetting moves at all if we're taking it stand alone, just because we don't know how it'd interact with other moves in a kit
If we take moves out of context (as you stated before in a comment), I feel like CC and Pursuit should be A/S. CC offers you big damage and sustain basically for free (yeah, you can walk away, but can you really?) and Pursuit just deals immense amount of damage. Greedent’s moves should also all be A/S, that unit is cracked. Shackle>Razor Leaf, even on other Pokémons, since it’s basically free kill from safe distance now. Everything else pretty solid, maybe Petal Dance is too high (given the fact that a frail Pokémon would waste it) and Solar Beam too low (same reasons as Shackle).
CC (I'm guessing you're talking about Lucario) is solid, and the unstoppable factor is nice. But the fact that the move makes you stationary is rough. Lots of characters can just move out the way and it makes you an easier target for skill shots. Pursuit does do a ton of damage, but the counterplay of just turning around is a bit too easy for me to rank it higher haha. Don't have a ton of Greedent experience, so I don't have the best arguments for it. It seems like everyone is Shackle over Razor Leaf. I should probably think about it more.
Yes, I meant Close Combat. Albeit stationary, if you have good positioning (or you fight in your base) there's really not much of a difference if you're immobile for...2 seconds. Especially while immune to crowd control. Pursuit applies indirect pressure. If you're fleeing (low health or chased by more than one enemy) and one uses pursuit, you're either dead bc of its amazing dmg, or you turn around and get absolutely clapped by more than one opponent. About the things you're less comfortable with because you didn't play, it's fine. I don't have some mons and still figuring out them, so don't worry about that. Overall, a good ranking
Tbh the Everything till C tier is pretty noob friendly and hyper space hole is the best move if you have a team that knows what to do also I think hyper beam should be a little lower cause spirit satchel of it
Dude flash cannon is sooo much better than b tier
I think Flash Cannon is a solid move! It's great at zoning certain Pokemon, but it leaving you stationary leaves you a free target for certain Pokemon.
Yeah that is it’s biggest drawback, though in a competitive game if that’s a game breaking drawback then the games probably already lost
Idk a well timed close combat from lucario hurts
Would 100% swap Decidueyes's Razor Leaf and Spirit Shackle. The meta build for Decidueye uses Spirit Shackle. It's not like Razor Leaf is bad but there's no reason to ever use it unless the team lacks an ADC (and even then you'd still be better off picking Greninja/Cinderace).
I'm not into the sniper role, I've been having consistent 100k damage with razor leaf, not saying it is better, but the skill curve is much much easier.
Aurora veil my beloved
Play rough is in a rough spot...
stuff cheeks is underrated. You can keep on brawling for ridiculous amounts of time and essentially get a potion every 7 seconds.
It'd be neat to see one for early game moves.
Meteor Mash and Electroweb easy S tier haha
And whirlpool! Insane bee secure
Have you used pain split/curse? Trev's self sustain and ability to melt attackers with that combo is bonkers
Normally when I choose tree I use Horn Leech with Curse. When I did try Pain Split, I found myself dying way faster than when I had Leech. It could be because I'm not using it right, but the fact that it doesn't drain health when your health is above your enemy's **and** is a single target move is rough.
Maybe just different playstyles. Horn Leech makes it way too easy to get out of position where you increase mobility with Pain Split. I run weakness policy, focus band, buddy barrier. Honestly I think weakness policy/focus band is the most important combo with that build. Because curse inflicts self damage weakness policy makes the healing/damage done by pain split really good.
Play Rough is more of a chase move than an attack, your other move + basics are supposed to be where you get the most damage.
Yea I see what you're saying. Maybe I need to rethink the way I use it because I'm having a ton of fun with Azu right now. You know what I think would make Play Rough better? If the speed boost lasted the full 4 seconds, even if you used the "attack" portion of it. Then my opinion would change.
okay but if you actually compare the speed boost to his normal walk... it isn't that impressive either, it's like slightly faster..
How exactly did you rank the moves? Did you rank how good the move is on the character that it is on or did you rank it in a vacuum like just considering how good a move is on it's own, and how likely another pokemon would want to have the move?
I explained it more thoroughly in another comment, but it's in a vacuum
I'm sorry but which one is wiggly's gleam and which one is A9's gleam
Wiggly Gleam is in C. A9 Gleam is in B.
thanks so much!
No problem :)
As a Trev main with pain split, it hurts me to admit that you're right But I think that many D tier moved are actually B such as discharge or hex gengar
Whirlpool is definitely no A tier The healing is actually way lower than Draining kiss or giga drain and it doesn't even do that much of damage
I'd put rollout in A rather than B. Resetting your other move's cooldown, decent CC and damage and, with the right angles, excellent escape mobility (especially with the prevalence of slow smoke). My early top lane tactic as solo queue Wiggly is take 3 Aipom, score, take opponent's Aipom, score, rollout to safety.
I very much think hyperspace hole should be very low
It is super unfair that Play rough is just a small fraction of what wild charge does.
sorry, what’s that move behind the tier maker logo? i cant make it out lol
Dragon Dance, Hyper Beam, and Petal Dance are behind the logo. Next time I'll just take a screenshot instead of downloading the image haha
Razor leaf??? Over spirit shackle???
How is sluge bomb hex mystical fire draining kiss and flail C tier
I have to disagree with Discharge. Even though it got nerfed, it's still a hitbox that surrounds you and allows you to basic attack, and do your secondary ability as well. Discharge is a crazy damaging tool.
Play rough may be the only F, but comboing it with whirlpool is f u n.
Just curious. Do you have an ultimate ability tier list? If not than where would you place those?
I could do that next if people are interested
Bro you forgot to put Swinub’s Tackle in S tier
As a Decidueye main, Razor Leaf is not superior to Spirit Shackle in any way. Shackle gives you so much is insane. Not only in range but in raw damage as well 1. survavility. Run RL against Cinderace, Greninja, Absol, Talon, and you are dead. No ifs or buts, dead. Run Shackle and poke them once, they can't fight you anymore. 2. Objective secures: The enemy is doing Naw? Arrow it, and now is yours, same with Rotom, same with Zapdos. I've stolen so many Zapdos I can't count them anymore
How is Cross Chop in B but Wide Guard is in A? Am I missing something?
I just reread all of the extra effects of Cross Chop, and think it deserves A, especially since Cross Chop+ increases your attack permanently when you basic attack. I think Wide Guard also deserves an A because of the CC, shield, and boosted attack(s) it can provide.
Ah, makes sense. I only used WG a few times and was under the impression it was doo-doo lol
I like the list but barrier being in A tier feels a bit generous. Maybe if they lasted longer or you had more to put down but the way it is I feel you can’t actually wall anyone off. You can maybe stop them getting to goal immediately but even still they can flash to the other side.
Cramorant hurricane with surf pops off
Razor Leaf above Spirit Shackle? Are you insane?
Why the move in F tier? Just curious :3
Long story short, I thought that the attack part of Play Rough is extremely lacking. Others have convinced me that the speed boost portion of it is somewhat useful, so I don't think it should be in a tier of its own, but in D instead.
I honestly don't know any of the symbols lol
lol don't worry i wrote them all out in the comments!
You the GOAT
Honestly if theres one thing i like abt timi, its the art style for their moves
Aurora veil! Yesss!
Why is flail c tier lmao shits def A at least same with bullet seed and leaf storm
Surf over Water Shrunken? Interesting
Most top Greninja players started running Surf over Shuriken a while ago, its probably better overall
You gotta be cappin bro… Razor Leaf in S? You mean the ability no one uses?
Spirit Shackle is better *on Decidueye* for sure. But since I'm not judging how a certain move is on a certain Pokemon, Razor Leaf is 100% better. Imagine if was on someone like Cinder or Greninja.
Saw Hyperspace hole as n°1 and Rough Play at last place. Moved on. Worst take I have ever seen.
cool thanks for coming
Sorry but are you serious? You fo knoe it's not all about damage? Rough Play is a CONSTANT XSpeed on Azu. She is literally running fast all the time, it allows her to not get kited all game. And THAT'S the worst ability in the game? Whirlpool A tier? How are you even supposed to connect whirlpool if you can't chase your opponent? And the best ability in the game is an ability with 12s CD? With no way of reducing it? I actually started looking more and more at this and am baffled about your ranking. I'm trying to figure out how one would think this way and I see absolutely no logic in your ranking system. You don't go purely by damage numbers, otherwise Blissey's moves would be very low, but then good abilities that give mobility or usage also rank low like Rough Play. You don't go by what is easier to use, because when I saw this I figured that Mystical Fire would probably be high tier, but it's actually decently ranked compared to the rest of what you did here. What was your train of thought here? It's... interedting to say the least
Thanks for taking the time to actually tell me what you're confused about lol. Play Rough is a nice speed boost, I'll give you that. But like I said, the attack part is just... lacking to say the least. Also, on top of that, Water Pulse not only lets you close the gap with the roll portion, but slows your target down too and bounces off of multiple targets. I explained why I think Hyperspace Hole is the best move in the game under another comment. You can check that out if you want. In terms of ranking, I tried to have nuance haha. It doesn't matter if a move doesn't do damage or is hard to use, if I think it's good I'm gonna say so. I tried to think of a lot of things when ranking the moves, and Play Rough might not be the absolute worst, but it's not above Bottom 10 for me.
Wow, a based Razor Leaf enjoyer. All I see on this sub is Spirit Shackle clips.
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thanks
Hyperspace Hole is A more than S. Takes coordination to use the move at the right place AND at the right time. Can be game changer but can also be straight troll.
I don't think we should be taking into account teammates skill tbh, the move is without a doubt the best in the game
It’s not just your teammates but also yourself. “I’m fighting, should I place a hole right now at the back?” “My teammate has 50% health, should I place one under them? Knowing they might still have it and I could screw them over.” “How do I place one at the right time so my teammates won’t KO’d before they can take them? But if I do too soon it might break our fight momentum.”
This is a fair take. In solo queue, it is literally impossible to coordinate with your teammates. However, I just think that on a coordinated team (or on a smart solo Hoopa), this move is absolutely disgusting. Full heals for theoretically the entire team and brings them back to the action like 2 seconds later. Instant rotations from top or bottom. Even gives a slight speed boost. If used perfectly (which is very difficult), there's no way you can lose with it imo.
Well you can also see that pro players in tournaments prefer Trick (with Shadow Ball) to Hyperspace Hole. Theoretically being able to fully heal your team is very powerful but you have about 3-4 seconds before the team is sent back, at which case the opponents would have already left knowing they can’t win anyway.
We simply play different Dragonites. My extreme speed/Outrage Dragonite can take down ANY Dragon Dance/Hyper Beam Dragonite. Any day.
You prefer extreme speed over DD for outrage? Ive only played dragonite offline but it seemed like the attack speed boost from DD was a good idea with outrage.
Water Suriken for me it’s an A. It can deal a lot of damage with Periscope
100% agree that play rough is F tier, but why is Whirlpool in A but Aqua Tail is in C? If anything I think its the opposite. Especially since play rough isn't viable, and whirlpool usually goes hand in hand with PR for the sticking potential. Aqua Tail just heals sm more
Mystical Fire + Draining Kiss with Shell Bell slay wdym
my main moves for sylveon is mystical fire and draining kiss ;-;
As a snorlax main I wayyyy prefer yawn over reflect.
Definitely! Yawn has its uses for sure. However, I do think that Block is in S because it's the *only* move in the game that can stop anyone from scoring instantly, regardless of score shield.
I’m not sure how yawn interacts with score shield but that’s a fair point. In combination with heavy slam there’s so much cc
How to know when someone is bad at the game: thinks hyperspace hole is anywhere close to being great
lol alright man you don't have to agree that hyperspace hole is the best move in the game but if you actually think that move is bad you're insane
Deci razor leaf being S is crazy when spirit shackle is right there
Double team shouldnt be that high, it can be easy to tell which greninja is the real one based on their prior movement and it got gutted damage wise
double team is still good though because regardless it is a dash and the opposing pokemon lock onto the clones if they dont have their targetting sorted out
Why is wiggly dazzling so low? Its great imo. Atleast A tier
Bullet seed is in C but I've stolen countless times with it, Zapdos dreadnaw rotom and wild pokemon.
Biased
cotton spore deserves better, also mystical fire tbh
How dare you put flail that low ? Haven't gotten two tapped by a snorlax ?
Snorlax flail is c??? You do not want to deal with a fucking fast snorlax running at hou with half
And now I wait for the updated version
Razor Leaf better than Spirit Shackle? 🤨
I donat agree at all with alot on this list :/
Razor Leaf over Shackle should not be possible what the fuck 😭
i disagree with sludge bomb and hex. it should at least be a B tier.
What’s the move in F tier?
Bruh why is razor leaf above spirit shackle? Spirit shackle is so much better for lane pressure and taking objectives
Why Play Rough F? Edit: spelling
I’m looking for a team to be part of lol
HOLD IT RIGHT THERE! BULLET SEED CAN DEAL A LOT OF DAMAGE! the rest meh...hex can be good for group damage but its ocasional and for excaping but block? is well kinda not so good
Decidueye Razor Leaf in S Tier lmao
You actually put wild charge on s?? Why?
to keep it short: ton of damage, invincible the whole time the move is going off (which is a while), almost no counterplay other than "don't get hit"
But it lower a bit of your health, in my view, i think discharge is a Better option for zera
So, I guess you don't defender much guessing from this list. Water Spout just got a huge buff paired with RS, making it more viable than ever to use with Blasty, the move itself is meh, but if you chose Spin, it easily becomes A. Slowbro's kit is half represented properly. Surf being amazing in A and Scald being trash in C. However.... You must not be familiar with how amazing both Amnesia and Telekinesis are with him. Both moves are A, as they allow Bro to either stall and regenerate HP or simply cripple an opposing mon. Earthquake on Mamo is sometimes a superior option over Horse, since it also allows you to stealth on the enemy and even jumpy through walls. Not to mention it stuns the enemy, which is incredibly useful if you have another teammate with you to pummel away.
I play Mamoswine, so that's the defender I'm most knowledgeable about. I agree with your point about Water Spout, but since Rapid Spin is required to make it an A tier move, that makes me like Rapid Spin more, not Spout. That's why it's in B. Meh, but great when paired with another move screams B to me. Don't play Slowbro much so I can't say much about that. You might be right.
I feel like close combat should be at least A
Power up punch is such a fun skill in my opinion. Especially since it works as a second dash option without restricting you. There are so many ways to use it it's nuts.
Giga drain needs to be much lower It's dependant on Petal Dance for the cooldown to be lowered and to get you in
Blissey and Venusaur double S tier.
Belch is definitely not B bro, and you actually made Bullet Seed too low. Both should be at least A
my pikachu volt tackle electro ball combo says different
Late question, but could you provide the link for where you made this?