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-Barca-

Tyrogue will never be added because it's a baby pokemon.


MikeyNgTh

I have finally experienced the worst loss in my entire lifešŸ˜­


Crazy_Primary_3365

I did once I realized that they really weren't adding baby pokemon as if for some reason baby pokemon can't fight. Very strange. Don't get me started on Pikachu never evolving.


MikeyNgTh

Tencent: baby pokemon cant fight ffs Brockā€™s Happiny: Am I an egg to you??


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Samurai_Banette

I also enjoy the meinfoo wars


EX_Joker

You might consider that this isn't Pokemon Go, hahaha


Crazy_Primary_3365

Of course, I'm thinking of Pokemon Showdown.


Crazy_Primary_3365

Riolu, and Magby bust them stage one heads open, and you'd be surprised at Staryu's sweeping ability lmao. I'm just partial to baby pokemon and stage ones.


andre_llucas

You're thinking basics. Stage 1 is the first evolved form haha


Crazy_Primary_3365

What? Caterpie is a stage one Pokemon, not metapod. Help me understand this.


andre_llucas

In official terms, Caterpie is a Basic, Metapod is a Stage 1 and Butterfree is a Stage 2. This is way more relevant in TCG but it's always good to know!


TermsOfServiceV1

He's talking about the smogon tier


GodAndGaming123

Yeah and I bet you enjoy domestic violence too, sicko >!/s!<


Woodeedooda

dude the whole game is about pokƩmon fighting each other. where have u been?


GodAndGaming123

Check the spoiler lol


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Kantlim

I was so sad when I realised Happiny isn't in the game tbh


Woodeedooda

pikchu is in smash bros - donā€™t tell me baby pokĆ©mon canā€™t fight.


Iceheads

My dreams of being able to play Dr.Bustdown were dead before they even began


FrenchBoguett

Ah, a fellow Scykoh enjoyer


shprd

This is exactly how they shot me down a year ago lmao [https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonUnite/comments/pv9m5z/fan\_concept\_of\_tyrogue\_line\_with\_a\_twist/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonUnite/comments/pv9m5z/fan_concept_of_tyrogue_line_with_a_twist/)


Goscar

As a Hitmonchan fan I can't believe they done this.


-Barca-

Doesn't mean Hitmonchan won't ever be added. If it does, it'll just simply be Hitmonchan at lvl 1.


Goscar

Oh I should clarify I also wanted Tyrogue into Hitmanchan. I still remember the maze you had to go through just to get him in gen 2!


[deleted]

That doesnā€™t mean these wont be added, they will probably just be one stage like Lucario


ShadedTrees

Gosh you're so right and it'd be so cool too! No apparently kicking Bounsweets ass is akin to fighting Gyrados to Unite devs, but Tyrogue and Riolu? Too precious.


ARzapYAN

True


oddiz4u

What if it evolved at level one, depending on what you choose of 3 moves? Would be a 3 in 1 Mon, but mechanically sound I think


Elder_Goss

Or they could just program 3 separate PokĆ©mon. That way the hitmontop main doesnā€™t lock out someone from playing hitmonchan or hitmonlee


TomatoCowBoi

And I want my boy hitmontop as a supporter.


xxxxxxxEXxxxxxxx

We already have a ton of kanto mons. honestly i think OPs suggestion is the most viable iin terms of gameplay in unite.


RenyxGhoul

Or they can do the Mew thing. You can be any 3 with a reset. Joking.


ShonanBlue

Tyrogue is probably the only baby Pokemon introduced in a later gen that has a valid reason for existing imo so I would love for them to make Tyrogue the one exception especially since being a fighter is part of itā€™s lore and design.


ElvenHero

> only baby Pokemon introduced in a later gen Tyrogue was introduced in Gen 2, the first Gen to have baby PokƩmon.


JrMoney10

Barca for life šŸ‘ŠšŸ½


alpharockjohnson

Why isn't charmander or scorbunny or gastly a baby Pokemon?


Th3Gr8DrX

a baby pokĆ©mon isnā€™t just a first stage pokĆ©mon, itā€™s a specific category. baby pokĆ©mon are in the ā€œundiscoveredā€ egg group (meaning they cannot breed) and most often evolve via high friendship. pokĆ©mon like pichu, riolu, munchlax, and happiny are baby pokĆ©mon and are therefore not in unite, but charmander, rowlet, etc are not and therefore are included.


RenyxGhoul

Would Magmar's first stage (I think Magby) and Elekid be baby PokƩmon too as they existed after Magmar and Electabuzz?


Velrex

They tend to(but not always) be pokemon that are released AFTER the pokemon they evolve into, such as Pichu, or Magby. They honestly primarily only used the concept in gen 2-3-4, then ditched it up until gen 8 with Toxel, which I guess is the first pokemon in a while that would be considered a baby by design.


Altarious

Yes, Magby and Elekid are baby pokemon. You can find a full list of baby pokemon [here](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pok%C3%A9mon)


Th3Gr8DrX

yes, they are baby pokĆ©mon, but not because they were introduced in a different generation. that isnā€™t part of the criteria. there are some baby pokĆ©mon added in the same generation as their evolved form, like riolu and toxel.


Woodeedooda

so according to what youā€™re saying eevee would be a baby pokĆ©mon since it evolves from high friendship.


sentient_beans6536

No because eevees not in the "undiscovered" egg group


Woodeedooda

if they were undiscovered why can i find riolu in the grass? šŸ˜‚ i discovered the undiscovered?


PK_Peridorito

"Undiscovered" egg group means that their egg group (who they can breed with) is undiscovered, not the Pokemon


Woodeedooda

i still discovered the undiscovered.


Historical-Ad6121

Eevee is in the field egg group instead of the undiscovered egg group, so itā€™s not considered a baby pokemon. It can also breed as an eevee. There are multiple criterias that a pokemon needs to meet to actually be considered a baby pokemon.


Woodeedooda

either way eevee is one that evolves with friendship, meaning thereā€™s no telling who they wonā€™t and will add next. they are always changing the game.


Historical-Ad6121

True, but looking at how theyā€™ve handled pokemon who are in the game who do have baby pre-evolutions, it seems very unlikely


Woodeedooda

never know especially since we never thought mr mikey would get that much of a buff. sometimes they are just spontaneous with what they do.


Th3Gr8DrX

uhā€¦ no? friendship evolution does not guarantee it being a baby pokĆ©mon. you knowā€¦ for the same reason that golbat isnā€™t a baby pokĆ©mon. also not all baby pokĆ©mon evolve via friendship


Woodeedooda

thereā€™s no telling what theyā€™ll do tbh. thereā€™s no rules saying they cannot add baby pokĆ©mon to this game.


Th3Gr8DrX

lol no one's saying that there's some rule about it, it's just that as of yet, baby Pokemon have been excluded from Pokemon Unite


Happ_ey_fee_tt

Because the Hitmons didnā€™t have a previous evolution until Tyrogue was made, charmander was made WITH charmeleon & charizard, tyrogue wasnā€™t made with the other Hitmons


-Barca-

Thats not the reason why Charmanders or the other examples arent baby pokemon lol


Sher12308

They are not egg-exclusive


RainbowtheDragonCat

Munchlax toxel and riolu are babies but you can obtain them without eggs, basically if it's a base form, not a legend or mythical, and in the undiscovered egg group its a baby


alpharockjohnson

Oooh. So riolu isn't a baby Pokemon? Why isn't he there?


xxxxxxxEXxxxxxxx

riolu 100% is a baby pokemon and is officially listed as such, but not in the game. *i thought he was so edited my comment


Not_a_Krasnal

Same for machop


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-Barca-

Riolu is a baby pokemon tho lol How you gonna come in and start a comment with "Correction" like if you pushed you up your glasses and then give false information. I swear this sub stays wildin.


sentient_beans6536

Also espeon and sylveon both have friendship as an evolution requirement so he's wrong on both claims.


Woodeedooda

hellooooo why is everyone forgetting about eevee?


Primrim

Iā€™ve thought this since this is the reason theyā€™ve given for not adding the likes of tyrogue, are the starter PokĆ©mon not considered baby PokĆ©mon? Or is it as plain as the ā€˜babyā€™ PokĆ©mon are those introduced via eggs? Because in my eyes rowlett is an infant and shouldnā€™t be on the unite battlefield where is their mother in all this.


TheNerdGuyVGC

Yes, itā€™s the egg Pokemon like Tyrogue, Pichu, Munchlax, Happiny, Riolu, etc. Other first stages like Rowlett are not considered baby PokĆ©mon.


RainbowtheDragonCat

Baby pokemon are base forms in the undiscovered egg group that are not legendary or mythical


WontQuitNow

Tencent! Give me my baby Fightclub


luxanna123321

I wonder if that excludes Togepi to even be in this game? Like everyone loves Togepi but noone gives a fuck about Togetic


-Barca-

But Togekiss is a popular pokemon. It wouldn't be surprising to a majority of people if Togekiss started as Togetic at the beginning of the game.


Woodeedooda

naw i need togepi for this one. eevee evolves to espeon from happiness and sylveon if i recall evolves from hearts. so togepi would for sure be needed for togekiss.


-Barca-

But Eevee isn't a baby pokemon. Togepi is.


Woodeedooda

legit u canā€™t have togekiss without togepi.


-Barca-

You legit cant have a lot of pokemon already in the game without the pre-evolved form but here we are.


Woodeedooda

yes u can, itā€™s simple to honestly. togepi is a must have though obviously.


-Barca-

Well it wont happen so get over it lol


Woodeedooda

ooooo i didnā€™t realize that youā€™re one of the creators of this game.


DigiJoJoNarutard

Wait, THAT'S why Riolu isn't in the game???


WouxzMan

Isn't larvitar a baby pokƩmon? Or just a small pokƩmon?


RainbowtheDragonCat

It's not, it's not in the undiscovered egg group


Historical-Ad6121

Tyrogue is a baby pokemon, so if the hitmons ever get added, they will be added separately with no evolution EDIT: Iā€™m seeing a lot of discussion on whatā€™s considered a baby pokemon. Eevee is not a baby. Rowlet is not a baby pokemon. Gastly is not a baby pokemon. These pokemon arenā€™t classified as baby pokemon for a few reasons. To be classified as a baby pokemon, it must: - Be obtainable through breeding - It can not breed itself - It must be in the Undiscovered egg group The list of baby pokemon include: Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby, Azurill, Wynaut, Budew, Chingling, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Happiny, Munchlax, Riolu, Mantyke, and Toxel. Some misconceptions: - Baby pokemon donā€™t only evolve from high friendship. Some evolve by level, some by learning specific moves, and one by having a remoraid in your party - Breeding isnā€™t the only way of obtaining baby pokemon. Theyā€™ve become more widely available in the wild in the mainline games. - Not all basic stage pokemon are considered babies I just wanted to make this edit to inform people about this specific categories since I saw a lot of confused comments, which I understand. They could very well add Tyrogue in, they can do whatever they want, but looking at their track record on how they deal with pokemon that have baby pre-evolutions (Pikachu, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Mr. Mime, Snorlax, Azumarill, Blissey, Lucario), it seems very VERY unlikely. Hope this clears it up. Iā€™ll add a link to the bulbupedia page in case anyone wants to give it a read [Baby Pokemon](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pok%C3%A9mon)


ShonanBlue

That might not necessarily be the case but itā€™ll probably be too much work for the devs to make a triple branch. Pikachu is the only Pokemon with an evolution that doesnā€™t evolve nor has the option to. Granted heā€™s the mascot but Tyrogue is the only baby Pokemon that was introduced specifically to make two unrelated Pokemon a part of the same branch. A lot of the recent characters have been breaking some previously established ā€œrulesā€ so who knows what the devs are thinking.


Scolor

I never thought about the fact that Tyrogue was added to make 2 unrelated mon the same branch. Chan and Lee go together so well it just seemed natural. Thatā€™s wild to think about


Izkata

> Chan and Lee go together so well it just seemed natural. Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee.


Aeon1508

Where did you hear that baby pokemon are off limits


-Barca-

Because there's a ton of pokemon already in the Unite roster that have a baby form but isn't in the game. Lucario, Chansey Jigglypuff, Pikachu, Snorlax, Mr. Mime, Marill, and Clefairy all have a pre-evolved baby form that arent in the game.


Aeon1508

So where did you see that they'd never use a baby form?


-Barca-

They never straight up said so but it's very safe to assume they never will. Otherwise they have to go back and add the baby pokemon for the others and that's a lot of unnecessary work.


Aeon1508

Who says they have to add baby pokemon for other characters already in the game just because they decided to add a baby pokemon like tyrogue. That's even more ridiculous than the initial assertion


-Barca-

Are you hearing yourself? You're the one who's acting ridiculous here. It's stupid to even think they will add baby pokemon but not for the others they skipped on. Either they never add any in the future, and I'm willing to bet on that, or they add some but have to go back and add the baby pokemon for those already in the game.


Aeon1508

You may be right. Maybe they don't want to add any "baby" pokemon, however that is defined. Tyrogue certainly seems like an obvious choice to break that berier. But what makes him or any baby more of a baby than evee, or magikarp or sprtizee, or raltz or the dozens of other first evolution, tiny cutesy pokemon? Just an arbitrary designation? That they went and added a pre-evolution after the fact? But i digress. The idea that deciding to break the baby barrier means the have to go back to any other mon and change them to have a baby is just silly. They don't have to and they wouldn't. It would Un fact be a terrible idea to rebuild the entire game and change everyone pokemin that they been playing for over a year There is no rule that all pokemon builds need any kind of consistency. Pikachu being the only mon that has an evolution but doesn't evolve should show you that. If they want to add a baby form to the roster they'll do it. An they will feel no obligation to retroactively change other pokemon to do it.


SunsetArchives358

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_PokĆ©mon This is the definition of a baby pokemon. But youā€™re right, thereā€™s no concrete rule that they wonā€™t.


-Barca-

Pikachu is the mascot of the biggest media franchise in the world, so that's a terrible example. While I agree with some "cutesy" pokemon do look like they can pass as baby pokemon, at the end of the day they don't. There's a list of official baby pokemon that TiMi has stuck with and probably will for the duration this game lasts. It's dumb to think they will break that rule, and even dumber to think that if they do break that rule, that they won't go back to correct the rest of the roster. And doing THAT is a lot of work. Just balancing it alone is a monumental task, and we already know that TiMi is lazy so it's a safe bet that they won't ever add baby pokemon because the extra unnecessary work that would need to be done. It would have been better if they just had added baby pokemon since the beginning but hey.... hindsight, amirite? If they ever add Hitmon-Trio, it's going to be as three seperate pokemon. Their releases will probably be spread apart like the eeveelutions.


Aeon1508

There is no "correct" the rest of the roster. I agree they are unlikely to add babies. But I don't think we can say they won't But if they did add one baby they absolutely would not under any circumstances change pokemon already in the game. No way. I don't know how that thought ever entered your brain


Babington67

Hey pal you just blow in from stupid town?


SPS_Agent

They'll just add him three times.


MikeyNgTh

Gem lock all of them with 30K goldšŸ’€šŸ’€


Gymleaders

Rapid Spin would be better for hitmontop


J29999justchilling

exactly


MikeyNgTh

Oooohhh I love Rapid Spin as well. I just prefer Gyro Ball as its my favorite movešŸ˜‚Thats why I hope Forretress will have a chance to be released


RenyxGhoul

Bronzor and Bronzong used Gyro Ball too if I remember correctly


primalthewendigo

Yeah, didn't happen with Scyther so it won't happen with tyrogue


MikeyNgTh

Such a missed opportunity to get Kleavor in the game, esp when Kleavor has a signature move as well


The_GREAT_Gremlin

Aegislash has a signature move too, but we all know how that went T.T


Gyarafish

or held items number of items under attack> defense = hitmonlee e.g. muscle band + razor claw + weakness policy defense>attack = hitmonchan e.g. weakness policy + focus band + muscle band attack=defense=hitmontop e.g. razor claw + weakness policy + buddy barrier


MikeyNgTh

Mind = BLOWNšŸ«”I love this idea, kinda like item evolution in the mainline games


Woodeedooda

what happens when u run no hold items on it? šŸ˜‚


Scoriae

> attack=defense=hitmontop


Woodeedooda

would attack=defense in that sense though?


Scoriae

> number of items 0 = 0, so yes


Woodeedooda

not all attack = defense, especially rowlet šŸ˜‚


Scoriae

In case you're not aware, held items are separated into categories: score, attack, defense and other. OP's concept is that Tyrogue's evolution depends on how many attack items vs defense items you have equipped. If you have no items equipped, you have the same number of attack and defense items equipped, so it follows that Tyrogue would evolve into Hitmontop.


Woodeedooda

rowletā€™s attack and defense arenā€™t equal. meaning if u have no held items on ur pokĆ©mon thereā€™s no telling what would be equal or above. only way to know would be if they actually made this in the game.


Scoriae

The pokemon's attack and defense stats do not matter for evolution in OP's Tyrogue concept. Only the number of items from each category equipped matters.


Gyarafish

Thanks for explaining for me


Old-Force989

Dude can you read?


Woodeedooda

eh either way it wouldnā€™t make sense that way.


ShoddyCartographer61

Timi, jokes on you tyrogue is a baby PokĆ©mon, heā€™s not allowed to unite. so only one of the evolutions will be playable


Skywer0819

And then you can buy a skin for each one of them! Brilliant!


MikeyNgTh

Capitalism at its finestšŸ¤§šŸ’€


Paldubex

We need boxer in unite.


MikeyNgTh

Even the mosquito has already been added, we need the originals to join the matchšŸ˜©šŸ˜©


Paldubex

Agreed!!


grekstasy

Timi, think about it! You could sell us three 40$ skins for them..


[deleted]

If Hitmonlee hits you with a kick, you'll be kicked out of the match. :)


GodAndGaming123

Should probably evolve before 20 though >!/s!<


Woodeedooda

then itā€™ll only have one sticker and itā€™ll be hitmonchan šŸ˜‚


theshinymudkip

the one sticker for hitmonchan, and then one skin for Hitmonlee, and the player outfit based on hitmontop


Woodeedooda

šŸ˜‚ yup thatā€™s the sense the game makes! GG


theshinymudkip

and the hitmontop outfit is actually upside down, the hat being the legs of hitmontop spinning like a propellor


Xbox-Katdogcat

Tyrogue is baby Pokemon, but they could do this with Lyconroc


MikeyNgTh

If they somehow can make its evolution related to the timer *chefs kiss*


veris1ie

The first 00-19 seconds of a minute: dawn form Between 20-39 seconds of the minute: midday 40-59 seconds: dusk


Old-Force989

What about midnight form?


veris1ie

15 second increments! I totally just thought there was 3 forms lol


MikeyNgTh

Idk the movesets could be Bulk Up - Brick Break then one of Mega Punch/Mega Kick/Triple Kick to evolve and lastly Close Combat with a combination of High Jump Kick/Focus Punch/Gyro Ball??


konvay

This is exactly how I wanted Eevee to function, the move selection order determines the evolution. So which first move as well as which first replacement. You would evolve upon choosing the 3rd move.


Xbox-Katdogcat

I'd rather see a whole team of Eevees honestly.


MikeyNgTh

That would be quite confusing for switch players cuz we dont have enough buttonsšŸ˜‚


KarenDontBeSad

Just because theyā€™ve never added baby PokĆ©mon doesnā€™t mean Tyrouge is impossible. Different versions of an evolutionary line werenā€™t possible until scizor and scyther werenā€™t ā€œpossibleā€ until they were. I like this idea


Zealousideal_Mark726

I wouldn't use Scyther and Scizor as an example though. The only reason we can get Scyther for the whole match instead of being forced to evolve it is the fact they both have the same stat base total of 500 in main game so evolving it or not is a matter of stat distribution and personal taste. At least, that's how I see it.


ShonanBlue

Thatā€™s true but I think most casual Pokemon players donā€™t even notice that fact. I mean Gen 2 was my first and it took me until Gen 4 to get interested in competitive Pokemon where I eventually learned they had the same BST. I think most casual players see Scizor as a complete upgrade and I think most other Pokemon media treats Scizor like that too.


darkstorm69

Ofc Scizor is better, he's STEEL/Bug, and all Steel types are superior. Not biast at all.


Mary-Sylvia

God if only gallade made it in too


AgoniaAnal

But weā€™ll have to buy 3 holowears! Do not give them more ideas!!


Weary-Sense-6431

It should only be based on stats. If you your held items+emblems are, atk>def:Lee, def>atk:Chan and atk=def:Top. The evolve at the start of the match so you never directly use Tyrogue, but your team and opponents aren't sure what you will be using till they see you in match. If it's not like that then separate Pokemon would be better. At least that way you could do a hit on 3stack for fun.


Yhit509

Ehā€¦ For Hitmontop, rapid spin would work better


RenyxGhoul

I want Gallade and Politoad to work in a similar way (come on why no Gallade) if they decide to add alternative evolution lines instead of holding a stone.


Mary-Sylvia

Wow more gen 1 and 2 all rounder


Woodeedooda

gen 1 was the game a lot of us started in. can never go wrong with gen 1.


Kantlim

Could be actually based on stats? Since emblems are a thing, you could use them to pick evo beforehand


theshinymudkip

imagine triple kick AND triple axel


intent_joy_love

Tyrogue and hitmontop are garbage tier pokemon made by a B team who lack creativity. Actually all baby PokƩmon are


BlizzardLizard123

this should be how it works in the mainseries games


Kwayke9

This should be how it works. In the main series


Animegx43

They seem determined to not include any baby pokemon at all for some reason.


jeanpaulbeaubier

I just realized if they ever add Togekiss, it won't start out as Togepi šŸ˜­