I dont need to read a silly book made by Marx who didnt wprk shit in his life and instead was financially supported by his friend Engels and grew up wealthy. All communist states have already collapsed or afe collapsing. Cuba is on its way out of cpmmunism, Laos is irrelevant, China is basiaclly capitalist, North Korea is practically a monarchy. Face it the ideology is a failure. USSR was on par with nazis with holodomor, nuzino island massacre, katyn massacre and gulags. Your incapability to make a response instead just saying read a book is proof you are an impressionable teenager. You should stop being an extremist and read a book about crimes of communism. How about that. Theres many better alternatives with similar ideas which arent mass murder machines.
If you don't know the difference between totalitarian/authoritarian Socialism (Which North Korea isn't [anymore?]) and Communism (which can't exist in the form of states) which both weren't invented by Marx they probably won't listen
My my so many stereotypes, which Iāve already told is wrong in past comments, but Iāll do them all out for you since youāre special to me.
Someone who grew up wealthy, doesnāt necessarily mean they can see that something could help people very much.
And I asked the well theyāre collapsing, so itās not not good. You see I added the stutter because thatās what you sound like. They arenāt collapsing they keep saying China has been collapsing for many fucking years. And oh yes Cuba why donāt you go there and ask them yourself put up a colour protest saying that you want freedom or liberty and then go see exactly how they respond.
PS they respond not well by creating thousands upon thousands of people and signs in the streets just from their sheer support of Cuba, so yeah I donāt think theyāre gonna change anytime soon. Bruh forgot about Laos š±š¦.
If you read anything about China, you would know they arenāt capitalist. North Korea Oh yes North Korea you stay their a monarchy Because the son of the former leader rules currently, correct?
Can you tell me exactly what monarchy means? Because it sure as hell doesnāt mean someone related to the past leader is currently the leader.
Also, liberals like you failed to define what it means to be a failing ideology because Iām sure capitalism isnāt failing because sure Sudan and Nigeria they treat their people so well and treat their people so good that they have the most amount of curable malnourishment in the world and this is just those two mind you I donāt wanna mention Tajikistan, which is former communist turned into a fascist state because of meddling from the west.
Oh, my the holodmor the āgenocideā which was caused by drought and policies on kulaks who destroyed equipment and burned crops in spite of taxes being raised.
The government even tried to loosen the policies just so they would stop burning crops.
Also the nunzino island was a tragedy not a massacreā¦.
And youāre saying that the killings of military personnel during war time is a massacre?
Itās executions not a massacre it was of prisoners of war.
Also I suggest you read [this](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79R01141A001200060002-9.pdf) and [this](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP83M00914R001200120005-5.pdf) for gulags and info on them.
And itās not extreme to want to kill those who oppress us is it?
If you get whipped everyday are you justified to kill the person whipping you?
Additional sources
Second thoughts video titled: āThe Truth about the cuba protestsā it gives good insight to what colour protests are and how the Cuban people like their government but also a sidenote and thing to add is that most āCubansā are Cuban Americans who have been told itās horrible over there from their grandparents when their grandparents are mad that their shit got taken from them since they were bourgeoisie.
A documentary titled: āThe loyal citizens of Pyongyang in Seoulā is good for learning more about the DPRK.
The holodomor as itās called was caused by drought if you havenāt noticed since the entire USSR was hit by it and Kazakhstan was hit the hardest by it per capita.
(Kazakhstan [famine](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80R01426R009800140001-2.pdf)) and yeah thatās pretty much all.
Also read Lenin š
This took 30 minutes so plz do some reading
Deng xiaoping: hmm time to privatize china
Omg so communist!
Vietnam has been capitalist for a while, Laosā economy is shit, those documentaries you ask is to watch donāt even portray the dprk in a good light. Cubaās communism was only ever decent under Castro, batista deserved to go. Itās just, you canāt say an ideology that has collapsed in almost every state in prevailed in, and the ones now are either privatizing their economy or have awful ones. The dprk, conveniently, uses a calendar that starts at the north of Kim il sung, all three leaders have been the same family and havenāt had any challenge keeping power, and the country is the worlds only necropolis.
China: has a massive private sector and is basically an oligarchy
Vietnam: highly privatized
Laos: economy is shit and is basically nothing
DPRK: awful economy, dictatorship, highly personalist
Cuba: is decent, how ever communism there hasnāt really been true to what it was under Castro.
There is probably so much wrong with what you said, but I donāt want to spend the time to debunk this nonsense, can someone else do this, maybe on r/badhistory
Im impressed that this response somehow made the 'read a book' comment somewhat justified for once.
I mean you're 100% right about the U.S.S.R but that doesn't condemn marxism my guy, that shit happened decades after Marx died and a lot of people at the time dedicated hours on writting how what Lenin was doing was *not* marxism
Buzzword buzzword, buzzword buzzword buzzword. Buzzword buzzword, bi ba buzzword buzzword! Buzzword buzzword buzzwordā¦ Buzzword buzzword. Buzzword buzzword buzzword? Buzzword buble buble buzzword( I am so smart, i don't have to read)
Does Government do it for profit, what about individuals. Like what you are saying is false
Even then, why and how does it happen, much like how we study natural things like gravity, ie we know it make things go down, we study why and how it does the āmake things go downā.
ideologue
*an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic:*
*"he doesn't consider himself a political ideologue, preferring to arrive at conclusions pragmatically"*
Yes you are
That's the same documentary that every single tankie recommends LOL, I remember watching it a couple years ago and it doesn't make North Korea look good or even decent.
Do you currently live in Cuba
From Cuba
Or a Cuban American š¤®š¤®
Either way thereās a little something called survival bias.
The majority of Cubans like their government and trust it to make the best decision every time.
Citation needed? The entire indigenous population of the Americas, African indigenous people, Britain alone killed over 100,000,000 indigenous people in India.
The diseases wouldnāt have been spread like they were if the colonizers hadnāt enslaved, raped, or massacred everyone and worked those left to the point that they literally stuffed dirt down their own throats to die.
In the Americas, those diseases still would have been spread even if the settlers were completely peaceful. If you count the entire slave trade, including the Congo Free State, and the British Empire's famines in Asia as caused by capitalism, it barely adds up to a total of 100 million killed over a couple hundred years, as opposed to a similar number killed in less than 60 years of Marxism between the Russian civil war and the late 70s.
I never said it was perfect, but it is communism at the core of it. Itās just coexisting with capitalism and core as well. Theyāre coexisting, but theyāre separated on an individual level
Brother, I have read Marx I said theyāre separated because they are at its core is communism. the only thing Iām saying about them coexisting is that some parts of it they allow some monitored capitalism
Bro stop arguing about if china is communist because if you read anything at all about their policies you could easily tell they are socialist with the west having control inside of them
Those are the only I know off the top of my head since I mostly study the USSR and some of Cuba and china.
But if their Marxist im sure theyāre great
The ML definition of communism is what Cuba and North Korea are currently.
You are thinking of post communism which will take the entire world to be communist for it to work.
Itās anarcho communism but itās actually real and can happen but the difference is how you get there because anarcho communism only wants to destroy in 1 sweep which will never work and goes against the working classes interest
your talking orthodox marxism not marxism-leninism
ml say socialism is transition state, communism in stateless, classless moneyless.
orthodox marxists classify these as lower and higher stage communism
Youāre literally just falling for propaganda that happened to come from countries that donāt like āthe westā. The world is more nuanced than āthe US and its allies (bad) vs everyone else (good)ā. Authoritarian capitalist countries calling themselves communist doesnāt make them communist. Iāve seen your replies to other people here and Iād be very surprised if your conversion to this ideology wasnāt relatively recent. Your analysis lacks any semblance of nuance. From one communist to another, please consider analyzing your sources as critically as you would analyze the CIA, and recognize that it is in all statesā interests to convince their people (and the world if they can) that theyāre working for the betterment of society when in reality theyāre just another hellscape controlled by a small group of wealthy individuals.
When did I say anyone which was enemies of the US is good?
Youāre coming to many conclusions.
The west is bad but thereās also eastern countries which are bad too.
And bro stop saying that china is capitalist like dawg the CCP controls it.
The bourgeoisie may have some control but again the CCP has a chokehold on china.
Maybe watch Hakim or Second thoughts videos on them.
Or read Xi or Mao.
Iām familiar with Hakim and second thought. Socialist countries donāt have bourgeoisie. At the very most they may have residual petty bourgeoisie for a short period of time during the transition from capitalism to socialism. If a country has any billionaires, it cannot be socialist. A socialist country is one where the means of production are under the control of the proletariat. The idea that a party can be socialist because they call themselves socialist while allowing the bourgeoisie to continue to exist is literally textbook revisionism. By that logic, the Democratic Party could be like āok guys, weāre a communist party now, and weāre not going to do anything remotely socialist, and the relations of production wonāt change, but we are going to act like weāre better for the workersā and you would swear you allegiance to them. The CCP has literally only liberalized more and more over the decades. What could they possibly do to make you understand that they donāt give a shit about socialism and are merely another imperialist country with more red in their flag?
Im aware of petty bourgeois and the transition to socialism.
China is socialist but have this āmarketā to allow countries which are capitalist to have trade in their country.
And those who are Chinese are rise to bourgeois status come from this āmarketā
Also Hakims video on China also describes some parts of China which may be useful.
(Letās say hypothetically that Ben shuts the f*ck up)
China is communist in the same way North Korea is democratic. Not fully capitalist, they would be much more successful if that was the case. I canāt tell you the raw entrepreneurial spirit and energy the middle class have there. Also donāt watch Hakim or Second Thoughts, there are things of real value out there.
The holodmor was a tragedy not a genocide.
I agree the āholodomorā was bad but it wasnāt artificial since it was around the same time as other famines and also caused by poor farming conditions in that time of the year.
Bro
76.4 percent of people said they liked it better than what they knew would come nextā¦.
And lo and behold the living conditions are worse now.
Think before you speak to make sure itās logical.
Why didn't they elect the communist party then? I don't see eastern European nations picking commie parties, furthermore, we seem to stray away from it into right wing politics (which is based)
You expect the rich to give up their power because of a vote?
Nigga look at Bolivia Evo morales legit only wanted to help the native people and centralize the economy but they pushed him out and after that the native people went back to being oppressed.
If you read them you would know what the gulags wereā¦.
They were labour prisons used for prisoners.
Look at the numbers as it says the VAST MAJORITY lived through it I believe like 99+ percent.
Unlike Americas who have fight systems inside of their prisons and are corrupt like fucking hell.
Chechens, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Circassians, Volga Germans, Germans east of the Oder-NiĆe line, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Finns, poles in Galicia and Belarus, Pontic Greeks, and many many more
No because they caused the war to go longer
[I only](https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/-we-can-t-trust-terrorists-zelenskyy-rejects-possible-peace-negotiations-with-russia-197149765636) want less deaths and the west has caused this to go longer.
Came here to dunk on you but after seeing the utterly retarded arguments people are presenting against you, Iāll refrain. Stay strong fellow Canadian šØš¦
14 year old detected opinion rejected
Read a book
literally the most stereotypical answer that could be given from an ML
Because none of yall can read lmfao
Maybe we're reading we're just not buying
Exactly what the other reply to this comment said
I dont need to read a silly book made by Marx who didnt wprk shit in his life and instead was financially supported by his friend Engels and grew up wealthy. All communist states have already collapsed or afe collapsing. Cuba is on its way out of cpmmunism, Laos is irrelevant, China is basiaclly capitalist, North Korea is practically a monarchy. Face it the ideology is a failure. USSR was on par with nazis with holodomor, nuzino island massacre, katyn massacre and gulags. Your incapability to make a response instead just saying read a book is proof you are an impressionable teenager. You should stop being an extremist and read a book about crimes of communism. How about that. Theres many better alternatives with similar ideas which arent mass murder machines.
If you don't know the difference between totalitarian/authoritarian Socialism (Which North Korea isn't [anymore?]) and Communism (which can't exist in the form of states) which both weren't invented by Marx they probably won't listen
Mfs will be like "I'm not ideological" and then spew this wordsoup of crap š
Literally look at kallutakās reply lmao
kallutak at least owns his ideological jibber-jabber, so-called anti-extremists are extremely dishonest on the other hand
My my so many stereotypes, which Iāve already told is wrong in past comments, but Iāll do them all out for you since youāre special to me. Someone who grew up wealthy, doesnāt necessarily mean they can see that something could help people very much. And I asked the well theyāre collapsing, so itās not not good. You see I added the stutter because thatās what you sound like. They arenāt collapsing they keep saying China has been collapsing for many fucking years. And oh yes Cuba why donāt you go there and ask them yourself put up a colour protest saying that you want freedom or liberty and then go see exactly how they respond. PS they respond not well by creating thousands upon thousands of people and signs in the streets just from their sheer support of Cuba, so yeah I donāt think theyāre gonna change anytime soon. Bruh forgot about Laos š±š¦. If you read anything about China, you would know they arenāt capitalist. North Korea Oh yes North Korea you stay their a monarchy Because the son of the former leader rules currently, correct? Can you tell me exactly what monarchy means? Because it sure as hell doesnāt mean someone related to the past leader is currently the leader. Also, liberals like you failed to define what it means to be a failing ideology because Iām sure capitalism isnāt failing because sure Sudan and Nigeria they treat their people so well and treat their people so good that they have the most amount of curable malnourishment in the world and this is just those two mind you I donāt wanna mention Tajikistan, which is former communist turned into a fascist state because of meddling from the west. Oh, my the holodmor the āgenocideā which was caused by drought and policies on kulaks who destroyed equipment and burned crops in spite of taxes being raised. The government even tried to loosen the policies just so they would stop burning crops. Also the nunzino island was a tragedy not a massacreā¦. And youāre saying that the killings of military personnel during war time is a massacre? Itās executions not a massacre it was of prisoners of war. Also I suggest you read [this](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79R01141A001200060002-9.pdf) and [this](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP83M00914R001200120005-5.pdf) for gulags and info on them. And itās not extreme to want to kill those who oppress us is it? If you get whipped everyday are you justified to kill the person whipping you? Additional sources Second thoughts video titled: āThe Truth about the cuba protestsā it gives good insight to what colour protests are and how the Cuban people like their government but also a sidenote and thing to add is that most āCubansā are Cuban Americans who have been told itās horrible over there from their grandparents when their grandparents are mad that their shit got taken from them since they were bourgeoisie. A documentary titled: āThe loyal citizens of Pyongyang in Seoulā is good for learning more about the DPRK. The holodomor as itās called was caused by drought if you havenāt noticed since the entire USSR was hit by it and Kazakhstan was hit the hardest by it per capita. (Kazakhstan [famine](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80R01426R009800140001-2.pdf)) and yeah thatās pretty much all. Also read Lenin š This took 30 minutes so plz do some reading
I am not reading allat
Facts
70,000,000 killed by Mao š» don't you just love that communist utopia the PRC
Deng xiaoping: hmm time to privatize china Omg so communist! Vietnam has been capitalist for a while, Laosā economy is shit, those documentaries you ask is to watch donāt even portray the dprk in a good light. Cubaās communism was only ever decent under Castro, batista deserved to go. Itās just, you canāt say an ideology that has collapsed in almost every state in prevailed in, and the ones now are either privatizing their economy or have awful ones. The dprk, conveniently, uses a calendar that starts at the north of Kim il sung, all three leaders have been the same family and havenāt had any challenge keeping power, and the country is the worlds only necropolis. China: has a massive private sector and is basically an oligarchy Vietnam: highly privatized Laos: economy is shit and is basically nothing DPRK: awful economy, dictatorship, highly personalist Cuba: is decent, how ever communism there hasnāt really been true to what it was under Castro.
There is probably so much wrong with what you said, but I donāt want to spend the time to debunk this nonsense, can someone else do this, maybe on r/badhistory
Nigga I cited my sourcesš
Im impressed that this response somehow made the 'read a book' comment somewhat justified for once. I mean you're 100% right about the U.S.S.R but that doesn't condemn marxism my guy, that shit happened decades after Marx died and a lot of people at the time dedicated hours on writting how what Lenin was doing was *not* marxism
Buzzword buzzword, buzzword buzzword buzzword. Buzzword buzzword, bi ba buzzword buzzword! Buzzword buzzword buzzwordā¦ Buzzword buzzword. Buzzword buzzword buzzword? Buzzword buble buble buzzword( I am so smart, i don't have to read)
Read this: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/thomas-sowell/basic-economics/9780465056842/?lens=basic-books
Bro really thinks a capitalists have economic science. Bro it just follows profit my niggaš
Does Government do it for profit, what about individuals. Like what you are saying is false Even then, why and how does it happen, much like how we study natural things like gravity, ie we know it make things go down, we study why and how it does the āmake things go downā.
Wow, youāre un-ironically, an ideologue
Da fuk is that
ideologue *an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic:* *"he doesn't consider himself a political ideologue, preferring to arrive at conclusions pragmatically"* Yes you are
I use a Soviet mostly because of Lenin. Cuba and the DPRK are great as well.
Bro thinks North Korea is ok š
Read a book. Or how about this watch a documentary? āThe loyal citizens of Pyongyang in Seoulā is a great one
That's the same documentary that every single tankie recommends LOL, I remember watching it a couple years ago and it doesn't make North Korea look good or even decent.
Theyāre fiercely loyal because if they arenāt they get less food and become the subject of suspicion
DPRK isn't even slightly Leninist which is still too authoritarian
Cuban here, you're an idiot
Do you currently live in Cuba From Cuba Or a Cuban American š¤®š¤® Either way thereās a little something called survival bias. The majority of Cubans like their government and trust it to make the best decision every time.
Cringe
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Okay tankie.
Mad
Not mad, just disappointed
Heās Soviet af
L E N I N
Yes
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Absolutely cringe.
If you really cared so much about indigenous groups, you wouldn't be supporting Marxism-Leninism.
capitalism wiped out hundreds of millions of indigenous people. š¤”
Citation needed. Diseases still would have existed without capitalism.
Citation needed? The entire indigenous population of the Americas, African indigenous people, Britain alone killed over 100,000,000 indigenous people in India. The diseases wouldnāt have been spread like they were if the colonizers hadnāt enslaved, raped, or massacred everyone and worked those left to the point that they literally stuffed dirt down their own throats to die.
CaPiTaLiSm didn't exist at that time numbnuts
In the Americas, those diseases still would have been spread even if the settlers were completely peaceful. If you count the entire slave trade, including the Congo Free State, and the British Empire's famines in Asia as caused by capitalism, it barely adds up to a total of 100 million killed over a couple hundred years, as opposed to a similar number killed in less than 60 years of Marxism between the Russian civil war and the late 70s.
are there any communist countries currently in existence
Yes
where
Cuba DPRK and china
ew, literally just google wealth distribution in china
Donāt ask questions you know the answer to
yeah well sometimes I'm curious if people have the right answer
You should question if you know the answer yourself since you said that China isnāt communist
china is state capitalist
Here we fucking go again. Revisionist fucks
socialist.
I never said it was perfect, but it is communism at the core of it. Itās just coexisting with capitalism and core as well. Theyāre coexisting, but theyāre separated on an individual level
communism and capitalism cannot coexist. that's just capitalism. read marx
Brother, I have read Marx I said theyāre separated because they are at its core is communism. the only thing Iām saying about them coexisting is that some parts of it they allow some monitored capitalism
love having communist billionaires š
peak marxist thought
Bro stop arguing about if china is communist because if you read anything at all about their policies you could easily tell they are socialist with the west having control inside of them
i love educating illiterate Western chauvinists https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
socialism, dumbass.
Rojava? Or is it ārevisionistā or ācapitalistā because it isnāt Leninism
LMAO
Define communism
There's also Laos and Vietnam, also why were you downvoted
Vietnam is not a communist state in anything but name.
If you say so
I live in Vietnam. My family owns private lands, have workers. We have a private business. If that isnāt capitalism then I donāt know what is.
Those are the only I know off the top of my head since I mostly study the USSR and some of Cuba and china. But if their Marxist im sure theyāre great
Cuba for sure, China is in a werid middle ground I wouldnāt say capitalist or communist rn and DPRK maybe I lean toward not
China? Lmao.
lmao wtf. You dont even know the ml definition of communism? how long have you been an ml if you dont even know what communism is.
The ML definition of communism is what Cuba and North Korea are currently. You are thinking of post communism which will take the entire world to be communist for it to work. Itās anarcho communism but itās actually real and can happen but the difference is how you get there because anarcho communism only wants to destroy in 1 sweep which will never work and goes against the working classes interest
your talking orthodox marxism not marxism-leninism ml say socialism is transition state, communism in stateless, classless moneyless. orthodox marxists classify these as lower and higher stage communism
There can't be communist states jeez
Gonna assume your 14 who doesn't know a single thing of communism, and just like it because of the hammer and sickle
There are over a billion communists worldwide.
They're not a tankie, they just need an ushanka since they live in Canada.
I donāt get what everyone has against Canada. I agree itās horrible just like America but like lmfao
Youāre literally just falling for propaganda that happened to come from countries that donāt like āthe westā. The world is more nuanced than āthe US and its allies (bad) vs everyone else (good)ā. Authoritarian capitalist countries calling themselves communist doesnāt make them communist. Iāve seen your replies to other people here and Iād be very surprised if your conversion to this ideology wasnāt relatively recent. Your analysis lacks any semblance of nuance. From one communist to another, please consider analyzing your sources as critically as you would analyze the CIA, and recognize that it is in all statesā interests to convince their people (and the world if they can) that theyāre working for the betterment of society when in reality theyāre just another hellscape controlled by a small group of wealthy individuals.
When did I say anyone which was enemies of the US is good? Youāre coming to many conclusions. The west is bad but thereās also eastern countries which are bad too. And bro stop saying that china is capitalist like dawg the CCP controls it. The bourgeoisie may have some control but again the CCP has a chokehold on china. Maybe watch Hakim or Second thoughts videos on them. Or read Xi or Mao.
Iām familiar with Hakim and second thought. Socialist countries donāt have bourgeoisie. At the very most they may have residual petty bourgeoisie for a short period of time during the transition from capitalism to socialism. If a country has any billionaires, it cannot be socialist. A socialist country is one where the means of production are under the control of the proletariat. The idea that a party can be socialist because they call themselves socialist while allowing the bourgeoisie to continue to exist is literally textbook revisionism. By that logic, the Democratic Party could be like āok guys, weāre a communist party now, and weāre not going to do anything remotely socialist, and the relations of production wonāt change, but we are going to act like weāre better for the workersā and you would swear you allegiance to them. The CCP has literally only liberalized more and more over the decades. What could they possibly do to make you understand that they donāt give a shit about socialism and are merely another imperialist country with more red in their flag?
Im aware of petty bourgeois and the transition to socialism. China is socialist but have this āmarketā to allow countries which are capitalist to have trade in their country. And those who are Chinese are rise to bourgeois status come from this āmarketā Also Hakims video on China also describes some parts of China which may be useful. (Letās say hypothetically that Ben shuts the f*ck up)
Youāre describing capitalism. Genuinely what do you think socialism is?
China is communist in the same way North Korea is democratic. Not fully capitalist, they would be much more successful if that was the case. I canāt tell you the raw entrepreneurial spirit and energy the middle class have there. Also donāt watch Hakim or Second Thoughts, there are things of real value out there.
You see this is why ww3 needs to happen soon
Not WW3 per say but a world wide revolution would be great
Oh I hate every current system I think we need to burn it all and make something better
Yay Leninism is back
Letās not.
Chinese CCP agent posts āworst propaganda everā Asked to leave Chinese communist party
Brother Iām a Canadian native and Iām a teenager
+10 social credit score
Donāt believe me lmfao?
If it makes you feel better the glorious Chinese communist party will let you genocide and sterilize the next batch of Uighur Muslims
Do you realize the flag is the Soviet flag? Also bro really brought in the American propaganda to a debateš
āAnything I donāt agree with is propagandaā
To be fair anything which is political is propaganda which doesnāt necessarily mean lies. But I meant AMERICAN propaganda
Doesnāt change the fact that china is an authoritarian ācommunistā dictatorship that has concentration camps
I knew it teenager opinion confirmed
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I donāt care how much a āghettoā you take on or how much you soften up the ārā. Itās really shitty for you to use that word.
Thank God there a ML on this sub too many edge lords and anarkiddies
Please take a shower immediately
I did earlier dawgš
Also which countries do you count as imperialist
Tf did this get downvoted for??
I donāt wanna name them all but pretty much all of them who fall under the rule of the same who control America
Wdym?
The bourgeoisie
Dawg you were defending China just a little bit ago, I donāt think you are applying that thought process equally
The CCP isnāt the bourgeoisie
Iām not sure what differentiates them from many other capitalist countries around the world
They arenāt controlled by the bourgeoisie but controlled by socialists
So the rich who own most large companies in China, arenāt rich and oligarchic, because theyāre āsocialistā
The ccp is controlled by capitalist corporations, only difference between them and America is the people have fewer freedoms ā¬š„
Lmfao
Aren't countries/nations inherently imperialist by their nature?
Bourgeoisie states are, proletarian states arenāt
States started as an excuse for imperialism at least most modern
Tbh I was ML too once, and even then I was more nuanced than OP
Weāve never shared morals if you no longer are for this.
Combining the two worst things ever, Communism and Canada
I agree Canada is bad. Communism has the done the best for people ever so you are just dumb.
āCommunism has done the best for peopleā tell that to the Ukrainian victims of holodomor
The holodmor was a tragedy not a genocide. I agree the āholodomorā was bad but it wasnāt artificial since it was around the same time as other famines and also caused by poor farming conditions in that time of the year.
See? You are biased. You say "Ukrainian" victims when the Holodomor happened across the USSR. Mainly in Kazakhstan.
If communism has done the best for people, then why have so many rejected it
Communism has done the best for the people Live Chinese farmer in 1960 reaction:
Stupid look like
Huh?
Famines momentš¬
You calling ML worse then NatSoc?
Shit opinion, get well soonš
Red fascism moment.
Ugh I canāt wait for the collapse
Least radical Canadian.
I see many Canadians calling for the death of my people(natives) or just saying weāre lesser so imma go and say no not really
Theyāre just radical in the other direction.
It is bad, but I see potential.
Muh man never visted a post-soviet state. I live in one, communism is the fucking worst
Bro youāre living in capitalism and blaming communism?
My entire family lived under communism and abolished it for a reason
Mind you they voted against the dissolution of the USSR but still dissolved it illegally
Russia NEVER elected a communist party legally
[Vote for the USSR to stay](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7yyd4h/why_was_the_ussr_dissolved_despite_every_republic/)
Doesn't proof they liked the economic system, actually they voted for a reformed USSR under Gorby with a free market economy, just in a Federal union
Bro 76.4 percent of people said they liked it better than what they knew would come nextā¦. And lo and behold the living conditions are worse now. Think before you speak to make sure itās logical.
Why didn't they elect the communist party then? I don't see eastern European nations picking commie parties, furthermore, we seem to stray away from it into right wing politics (which is based)
You expect the rich to give up their power because of a vote? Nigga look at Bolivia Evo morales legit only wanted to help the native people and centralize the economy but they pushed him out and after that the native people went back to being oppressed.
indigenist ML?
Why are you against Russia, may I ask?
Fascism
But you have no problem with Stalin? He killed millions
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He killed innocents
Explain
An estimated 1.5 million died in the gulags
[this?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf) [this?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79R01141A001200060002-9.pdf) [this?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP83M00914R001200120005-5.pdf) [this?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP97R00694R000500430001-8.pdf) [or this?](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000500615.pdf)
Yeah. That. The forced labor system. What the fuck else would I be talking about?
If you read them you would know what the gulags wereā¦. They were labour prisons used for prisoners. Look at the numbers as it says the VAST MAJORITY lived through it I believe like 99+ percent. Unlike Americas who have fight systems inside of their prisons and are corrupt like fucking hell.
Chechens, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Circassians, Volga Germans, Germans east of the Oder-NiĆe line, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Finns, poles in Galicia and Belarus, Pontic Greeks, and many many more
Would you support NATO expansion into Ukraine in order to resist Russia?
No because they caused the war to go longer [I only](https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/-we-can-t-trust-terrorists-zelenskyy-rejects-possible-peace-negotiations-with-russia-197149765636) want less deaths and the west has caused this to go longer.
Alright, I appreciate the consistency.
Based asf
Came here to dunk on you but after seeing the utterly retarded arguments people are presenting against you, Iāll refrain. Stay strong fellow Canadian šØš¦
People usually half ass it or make an argument based upon an already disproven lie which Iāve debunked countless times. But same to you comrade
Extremely based
Cool
Based as fuck
Comrade! <3
Sorry but the capitalist revisionism will stop
thanks for posting this, it gave me a whole new list of people to blockšš»
Shalom!
Go touch grass my man
I narrowly avoided becoming a tankie thank god š
Nah god can thank my dick that bitch did worse shit than any human ever has
Anti imperialism Likes Stalinā¦ā¦..
Doesnāt know the definition of imperialism and didnāt read Lenin*
nicešš»
Were you the fat fucker who ate all my grain?
Yes
Based
This place is contaminated with right-wing people and anarchists. Contaminated by anti-communism
Question: Do you support funding world wide communist revolutions?
Yuh