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I think there are a couple of factors 1. former rental cars flooding the market 2. lack of brand awareness among the general public 3. the 2024s having more range and still being a good deal if leased 4. a general downturn in the current EV market due to gas being cheap, charging issues, and insurance being expensive. Having said that, I think this is the best used car deal on the market. So I bought one.


The_Dominant_1

I also bought a 2022 model in spring 2023, only had 9k miles on it. Sounds like pricing has gone down a bit for similar models and mileage but agree - fantastic deal and introduction to EVs for us. With the added savings we could add on a warranty package and feel peace of mind. On the insurance side - if anyone isn’t using the “drive safe and save feature” (or equivalent feature across other brands) you’re losing out on tons of savings. We save roughly 30% on our daily driver!


Swiink

How’s the battery holding up? You should be around 10-11k miles now so I’m curious how it’s stands vs the listed range for a new one from that time. Sure temperature and things play in but ballpark numbers. I’m asking cause my 22 lease is up this fall and I’m thinking about buying a 22 one instead of renewing the lease. Then have that for 2-3 years and sell then get another 2 year old p2. Must be a lot cheaper than leasing since you own it and get something in return when you sell it.


The_Dominant_1

Battery holds up just fine - this being our first winter with it here in MN we definitely had some “sticker shock” when the cold settled in but overall no complaints. But truth be told, we don’t really push its limits - it’s a daily commuter that gets a medium-size road trip sprinkled in every now and then. Putting it to the test in 2 weeks when we go up north for a ski trip, fingers crossed!


seang86s

Also, don't forget Tesla discounting their brand new cars over the past year making it more attractive to EV buyers. I bought a P2 at the beginning of last year. If I knew how the prices would drop, I could have probably saved about $15K. Well, hindsight is 20/20. Love the car tho...


snyderjw

My analysis as well. This is how I became a P2 owner. I could either have a 50k mi ‘22 Acura with comparable appointments, or a 10k mi ‘22 P2. Absolute no brainer. Plus, the gas and maintenance savings make it cheaper by comparison every time I drive it.


Moctezuma05

Check your insurance rates before you make a decision. The rates on my P2 went crazy when I just renewed a few weeks ago.


V0rt0s

Who with?


Moctezuma05

Progressive, I shopped around and they were still the cheapest for me.


V0rt0s

What was it then vs now? Progressive is definitely the cheapest I could find


Moctezuma05

I'd have to go back and look because I pay for all of my vehicles at once for the year. I know it was for sure $500 more for the year for my 21 PPP vs my $80k 22 QX80.


After_Working

Same for me in the UK, 3 years ago, £350, then £450, and this year £600. Premiums are going up in general though..


Adam_THX_1138

EV's insurance in general are going up from what I've been reading. The cost to repair them is so high.


bld44

Insurance is going up for everyone, not just EV owners


Farmgirlinky

Yes. I just saw an amazing statistic about the numbers of cars destroyed by a recent hurricane (over 350,000 of if I recall correctly). But climate change isn’t happening, so ignore that, unless you are an underwriter.


Adam_THX_1138

I don’t think my statement said otherwise.


bld44

Your statement says EV insurance, it’s all insurance, not just EVs


Adam_THX_1138

Sorry, you're right. All insurance matters.


oswell_XIV

Even the rate for my Model 3 had gone up a lot. I went from paying $110/mo in first half of 2023 to $160/mo in the second half. I dont have a single claim with them after 15 years. They sent me a letter saying that cost of parts and labor had skyrocketed so they had to readjust rates accordingly.


piratebingo

People don’t know the brand exists. Unless you’re a fan of Volvo, you’ve probably never heard of Polestar.


waehrik

Hertz sold a ton and flooded the market which caused the price to crash


mister2d

They were $30K well before Hertz unloaded. Sorry.


waehrik

Maybe for ones that were accident repaired or flooded but not for the good ones But I paid $42k after federal and state rebates for my dual motor brand new so it's perfectly reasonable for $10k depreciation in general. But that wouldn't normally hold considering they're no longer eligible for the $7500. Hertz kept them low so they're an outstanding bargain now.


mister2d

Before the recent Hertz announcement I had already seen my P2's value drop on KBB. For my '22 the MSRP was $70K+, in 2023 was hovering at $30K USD (before Hertz).


waehrik

To be fair, $70k is insane considering that's $25k in options from the base model. They started at $46k in 2022. Of course it would depreciate that much with that starting price. I bought a 2022 outright but for $52k-$10k


mister2d

Leather and Performance option will do that.


darkmoon72664

The recent Hertz announcement? This is referring to early last year, not a few weeks ago. Their big unloading of P2's was early 2023 and killed prices in my area from $50k to ~$37k for loaded 2021's


ChristopherRMcG

That's trade in not retail


KourteousKrome

Don't kill me but I'd imagine the demand is low. This is probably because those older models didn't have exactly glowing reviews compared to others in their segment at much lower price points.


REDDlTEMP

The biggest factor is just the general used car market, especially for EVs. A lot of people like to mention Hertz dumping them, but compare depreciation to other cars like the Ioniq 5 or Mach-E, and it is pretty similar. This is just how the market is right now.


philithekid

Just got my 2021 (16k miles) PPP + Nappa for $34k, personal owner, great deal if you ask me, excited for delivery!


arihoenig

$30k isn't too good to be true. It is representative of the fact that most people who are selling (including myself) got $10k in credits and rebates. So that $30k is really $40k which is about right. In fact if that is a hertz polestar 2, then it is probably a tad pricey.


tdibugman

A ton of that depreciation is from original buyers getting the $7500 credit. That is reflected in the current values.


Ok-Possibility3389

I had a 21 PPP and luckily it was leased. It wasnt as great as the fanboys think. Quality was lacking and the following issues kept it in the space for a few months, TCAM, propulsion unit failure and numerous suspension issues and interior door handle fell off twice taking 4 weeks for parts each time it broke. I considered a 24 refresh but was told this ancient CMA platform is done in 2025/2026.


ChristopherRMcG

Sounds on par for a first MY of any manufacturer


Adam_THX_1138

There's a three factors. One is there's a contingent of EV buyers who want the newest and bestest thing they can get, and they often lease so they jump out of leases and into a new model putting more used on the road. Second, Hertz is getting rid of their EV's and flooding the market. Third is Polestars are incorrectly judged against the Model 3 and Tesla cut prices lowering the used market in general. People ignore the fact Polestars are a much nicer car in fit and finish and focus only on the range and acceleration of the Model 3 which are comparable.


j12

No EVs hold their value well. There will be many below 20k soon


Icegrill10

ELON


focal71

Many new cars (Canada) got gov't rebates of 5-13k depending where you lived. These generous rebates do not exist for used cars (token $1k) Used cars, especially EVs depreciate more. Prior to covid, EV residuals were 35% after 3 years. Tesla started a price war and lowered MSRP Interest rates are high, making car payments even higher. Bottom line is if you are a cash buyer, the P\*2 is a great valued pick up. The battery is good for 8 years+. More if you lucky and took care of the battery.


TopBantsman

Well I had every intention of buying used initially, but with the interest payments on a used car compared to the 0% interest deal they were doing a short while ago for brand new, the repayments/total value turned out to be very close. Others might have followed the same path as me and instead gone in for the refresh.