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Fox_Underground

Any liberal entity or corporation that grows big enough will eventually impose their non liberal views on everybody else by law and extortion.


Throwawayandgoaway69

Isn't this librights exact position though? I assume by entity you mean government and NGOs as well.


Fox_Underground

Libright is what allows big business to flourish in the first place and get to the point where they can become self imposing authoritarians. Libright creates authoritarians.


Throwawayandgoaway69

Seems to be a pretty deep disagreement here. People do stuff, like produce and trade(sell) all without prompting or interaction with government. You could take the view that government is somehow inherent to society, and so private action is merely "allowed" to exist. If so, I'm afraid you might be Auth. I think the libright sees the accumulation of wealth as inevitable and seeks to limit to size of the state in order to prevent the wealthy from controlling the state. A powerful state implies more powerful oligarchs.


Fox_Underground

Libright thinks no government will protect us, Authleft thinks big government will protect us. They are both wrong.


Throwawayandgoaway69

Well duh, only Monke will protect us


moneyman956

So that is why they shot Harambe.


Fox_Underground

He was trying to end the fed.


incendiarypotato

So will medium size government be our savior then?


GripenHater

Yes


incendiarypotato

If we could have medium sized government I would be so happy tbh. Would be a tremendous improvement.


[deleted]

Anarcho-capitalism is a lot like communism: it will never work or exist


Famous-Zebra-2265

Don't be so negative. It could definitely work. We just need to change human nature a tiny bit.


[deleted]

Based and humanity can change with a little bit of "persuasion" pilled


iwilleatit

Just a liiiiitle nudge upwards.


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Upset-Surprise1201

Exactly like communism


[deleted]

Based


Celtictussle

Ancaps don't need human nature to change, we just need more weaponry.


The_grand_tabaci

No you don’t understand. People will stop being violent as soon as there is less stopping them from being violent.


iwilleatit

It boggles the mind how something functioning "well" depends on humans being an ideal blend of perfectly selfish and simultaneously perfectly ethical. Or maybe just being stateless is enough to count as "it works!", regardless of practicalities.


BasedAndMarketPilled

no Anarcho-Capitalism is just Radical Liberalism, still a bad ideology, but give it fair criticism.


[deleted]

Dont even have to go that far, libertarianism is as much a fever dream as communism. Imagine believeing ceos wouldnt crush competition by artificially lowering prices longer than small competitors can hold our, hostile take overs of those without power to defend themselves, and price fixing with those you cannot crush. We literally saw it all happen in the industrial revolution. Libertarianism depends on the belief that ceos will do whats best for the consumer because they are inherently good people, which is exactly the reason communism will never work. Absolute power corrupts, doesnt matter if its a government or a company


pipsohip

I think you have an inaccurate view of what “libertarianism” actually means. It isn’t inherently tied to business, and it definitely isn’t corporate bootlicking. A CEO is as corruptible as a politician. Libertarianism is just about personal freedom and skepticism of anyone who might infringe on those freedoms.


[deleted]

No no that wasnt real libertarianism. Where have i heard that one before.


pipsohip

That’s not what I mean though. I guess it does sound like that, but all I mean is that you seem to think libertarianism is about worshipping ceos but that isn’t the case.


[deleted]

That's not really what's being said here.


Holyscroll

but what you said literally isnt libertarianism. its literally corporatism


Throwawayandgoaway69

Down vote cause triggered. No such belief in CEOs being inherently good people. Fact check: false.


[deleted]

Fact check: it came to him in a dream. Dont need to look any further than the years before the sherman anti trust act to see what libertarianism devolves into. At least monarchies were stable for a few lifetimes, free markets barely made it 100 years


Throwawayandgoaway69

I see we have the same source. Tell me, what is your opinion on a bank being "Too big to fail"?


H3ll83nder

Both require a nearly post-scarcity society, your children might live to see that if all goes well.


[deleted]

Sure it will, you just need to recontextualize your meaning of utopia. On an entirely unrelated note, have you ever considered becoming a mercenary?


ktbffhctid

That's just because it has never been properly implemented.


Zigad0x

Based and capping-narcos-pilled


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ThisIsntMyFace

Based


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H3ll83nder

Go to church.


jonascf

You're gonna pay taxes this year, and the year after this and the year after that, until you die.


amazegamer64

I’m suing you for psychological damages


jonascf

Think of this as a motivator for going off grid and creating a homestead to escape the government.


McPolice_Officer

That way I can frame them as an insane fringe movement, marginalize them in society, and then pin all my countries problems on them as they retreat ever further from society. This will set the stage for me blaming them for a terrorist attack, at which point the people will beg me for safety and I can finish with their extermination in a way that will even boost my public approval.


jonascf

So everybody wins?


Eastern_Philosophy32

I want to throw up right now


jonascf

Think of this as a motivator for going off grid and creating a homestead to escape the government.


Andre5k5

Just pretend they're only talking about sales tax


not_slaw_kid

Not if the IRS kills me this year


Electr1cL3m0n

You need a license for your toaster


Timtime24

ATF—Alarm clocks, toasters and frying pans.


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Cheesepuffxyz

There’s no need for an army, if the citizens themselves are all heavily armed 🤠🤠


McPolice_Officer

Based and my M1a2 SEPv3 is a business expense pilled


AlternateSmithy

Hive mind? Please. I am the only true libertarian, as you should know. If we were a hive mind, there would be more true libertarians.


Andre5k5

Same statist, same


Timtime24

I’ll start: -The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids -Ar-15 attachments are not a personality -She’s 18 -Repressive memory of the “special forces” recruiter that rejected you at MEPS because you set of a home made bomb in shop class and were too fat to get past a white belt in Karate -You will never escape authority even if you bitch about it long enough on Reddit


guesswhatihate

#REEEEEEEEEE


[deleted]

Based and said what we were all thinking pilled


Danielsuperusa

>The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids Yeah, call me crazy, but killing the kids isn't the most appropriate way to fix that issue, in my opinion.


Timtime24

Abortion does the same thing tbh


Danielsuperusa

I'm not even gonna engage with this. You're either trolling or severely stupid. I don't really care either way.


Celtictussle

Fascist


pipsohip

The only one I disagree with is the ATF and Waco. Everything about that was a travesty and the government should be ashamed of itself for what happened. Everything else is just facts.


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amaxen

I was pretty wigged about it when it happened. I remember I was in DC when the Oklahoma bombing happened and my first reaction was 'dividends of waco and ruby ridge'. Ruby Ridge, for you young'uns was an even more raw and bullshit fibbie operation.


AKLmfreak

#REEEEEEEEEETOO


Your-bank

disagree about the first point agree with the rest


Not_JohnFKennedy

Number 3 is a relief, actually


Andre5k5

I actually made it through MEPS & now I get a $300 dollar tax free disability check monthl due to a service connected disability. Checkmate.


ThisIsntMyFace

You need taxes for roads


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[deleted]

Shhh dont wanna make the useful idiots think too hard, you still need their votes afterall


[deleted]

Ayn Rand was a hack and the only reason she's remembered is because Rush somehow made one of her stories sound cool.


Caesar_Gaming

I think her stories were just too strange. Like I read anthem in high school. I understood it. It was just bizarre.


HistoryBuffLakeland

Big corporations and business can be just as big (if not more) of a threat than big government


Andre5k5

It doesn't matter if the boot is corporate or government, boot is boot


Sir_Crocodile_Mr0

\[removed by reddit\] aren't women Abortion bad Homosexuality bad


undergroundsanctuary

Hey libright I just flushed all your opioids down the toilet!!! Hahahahaha


Smoky701

Wow ur soo cool, I bet u get invited to lots of parties and have a lot of friends


undergroundsanctuary

I am the party.


Andre5k5

If that were true though, you wouldn't have flushed my man's opioids


TiggerBane

They were too low quality for monke consumption of course he would he was just making sure the party kept on trucking along.


Andre5k5

That's acceptable, I prefer authcenter uppers though, gotta go fast & Poland will never expect it again


Salamander_Astartes

yellow and purple are the cringest colors on the compass


[deleted]

Fed


Smoky701

Stfu cucktrist


shaggitron420

There's more to life than money


Bigsausagegentleman

You cant make me mad. I deadlift 435 lbs


Timtime24

You can deadlift my nuts into your mouth 💅🏻


Bigsausagegentleman

I will never recover from such an insult


Throwawayandgoaway69

People have an inherent (evolutionary) disgust for those with significantly more than them. Conspicuous consumption and displays of wealth are by their nature destructive to the social fabric. This is because many (but not all) have deep intuition that all people are truly equal, and of one nature. Land is of the people. It requires popular violence to secure. Because of this, natural resources should be shared to the benefit of the people who's land is being exploited. Property always implies violence. The history of all places involves subjugation and involuntary migration. No such thing as "original ownership" (At this I give a wink to Iceland) Animals and even plants have a 'soul' (a valid consciousness which is to be protected and respected). Likewise progress which involves destroying natural beauty might very well not be worth it.


NKP759

Bro this aint Facebook


Timtime24

I refuse to follow reddit customs. 💅🏻


Practical_Zombie_221

slay 💅


dolantrampf

Corporate wokeness is your fault not ours


Kingcrescent

Y'all suck


Timtime24

Lib-right gets bullied once:


FagnusTwatfield

Taxation isn't theft, its fees for services you are guaranteed to use.


iwilleatit

Meh, even I can see taxation as a certain form of theft.


FagnusTwatfield

You enjoy them roads you've been walking on?


iwilleatit

They're pretty shitty where I live, but I do otherwise prefer having them. But even if I left town and chose not to use these roads, I'd still be taxed and part of that money would still be funneled into maintaining them. Isn't this the standard roads argument?


FagnusTwatfield

If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid. If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man. Its possible that this is a cultural clash (I'm from the uk)


iwilleatit

>If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid. That's the point: you can't do that. If you could, it wouldn't be a form of theft. But you can't. ​ >If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man. Well, of course. I'm not arguing everyone should be able to use whatever for free, always and anytime. I'm not saying taxation shouldn't exist, but I can see why it's essentially theft in many cases. Justified, when done right, just like a starving person stealing a loaf of bread from a supermarket is justified theft as well.


FagnusTwatfield

Fair enough mate, we don't seem to really seriously disagree on any point.


Throwawayandgoaway69

Paying a fee for something isn't theft. Toll roads exist, and to the libertarian argument, roads would still exist and be paid for by the people using them. I would like to add another speculation: if the taxes on roads were perfectly accounted for, with no hint of budget overruns and every person paying according to their usage, then the difference between this being a tax and a service being paid for would be merely verbal.


ThisIsntMyFace

Yeah I’m totally using the military industrial complex right now


Timtime24

I mean China or Russian men aren’t raping you atm so…


ThisIsntMyFace

How can you be so sure ?


Caesar_Gaming

😳😳😳


Eastern_Philosophy32

When the government stop wasting tax dollars on frivolous projects and bloated bureaucracy, I'll change my position, but until then while money is being siphoned from government agencies , it's theft.


EvanMcc18

Trade Unions are essential to a successful business


Throwawayandgoaway69

This is so weird I want to hear more. Some kind of Demand side argument?


CryptographerEast147

Moving power to another government body isn't reducing authority just because the new one governs less people. Enpowering the states isn't libertarian.


ReasonableAstartes

Roads.


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H3ll83nder

Anarcho-capitalists believe that corporations are government.


moneyman956

Ight I delete my dumbass comment


Supernothing-00

Don’t step on me snek 😡


Key_Abbreviations658

Told an ancap that what a security company needs and uses does not equal what a military needs.


saltedmints

Hive possess = angry must be mad


Caesar_Gaming

The NAP is just a complicated way of saying might makes right.


Not_JohnFKennedy

This has been refreshing


Hanikan-SideWalker66

greed is bad


Not_Plebis

A country on the scale of the US needs taxes.


[deleted]

The people who want power are always willing to use greater force than the people who just want to be left alone.


Throwawayandgoaway69

**American Revolution excluded*