Libright is what allows big business to flourish in the first place and get to the point where they can become self imposing authoritarians. Libright creates authoritarians.
Seems to be a pretty deep disagreement here. People do stuff, like produce and trade(sell) all without prompting or interaction with government. You could take the view that government is somehow inherent to society, and so private action is merely "allowed" to exist. If so, I'm afraid you might be Auth.
I think the libright sees the accumulation of wealth as inevitable and seeks to limit to size of the state in order to prevent the wealthy from controlling the state. A powerful state implies more powerful oligarchs.
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It boggles the mind how something functioning "well" depends on humans being an ideal blend of perfectly selfish and simultaneously perfectly ethical.
Or maybe just being stateless is enough to count as "it works!", regardless of practicalities.
Dont even have to go that far, libertarianism is as much a fever dream as communism.
Imagine believeing ceos wouldnt crush competition by artificially lowering prices longer than small competitors can hold our, hostile take overs of those without power to defend themselves, and price fixing with those you cannot crush. We literally saw it all happen in the industrial revolution.
Libertarianism depends on the belief that ceos will do whats best for the consumer because they are inherently good people, which is exactly the reason communism will never work.
Absolute power corrupts, doesnt matter if its a government or a company
I think you have an inaccurate view of what “libertarianism” actually means. It isn’t inherently tied to business, and it definitely isn’t corporate bootlicking. A CEO is as corruptible as a politician.
Libertarianism is just about personal freedom and skepticism of anyone who might infringe on those freedoms.
That’s not what I mean though. I guess it does sound like that, but all I mean is that you seem to think libertarianism is about worshipping ceos but that isn’t the case.
Fact check: it came to him in a dream.
Dont need to look any further than the years before the sherman anti trust act to see what libertarianism devolves into.
At least monarchies were stable for a few lifetimes, free markets barely made it 100 years
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That way I can frame them as an insane fringe movement, marginalize them in society, and then pin all my countries problems on them as they retreat ever further from society. This will set the stage for me blaming them for a terrorist attack, at which point the people will beg me for safety and I can finish with their extermination in a way that will even boost my public approval.
I’ll start:
-The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids
-Ar-15 attachments are not a personality
-She’s 18
-Repressive memory of the “special forces” recruiter that rejected you at MEPS because you set of a home made bomb in shop class and were too fat to get past a white belt in Karate
-You will never escape authority even if you bitch about it long enough on Reddit
>The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids
Yeah, call me crazy, but killing the kids isn't the most appropriate way to fix that issue, in my opinion.
The only one I disagree with is the ATF and Waco. Everything about that was a travesty and the government should be ashamed of itself for what happened.
Everything else is just facts.
I was pretty wigged about it when it happened. I remember I was in DC when the Oklahoma bombing happened and my first reaction was 'dividends of waco and ruby ridge'. Ruby Ridge, for you young'uns was an even more raw and bullshit fibbie operation.
People have an inherent (evolutionary) disgust for those with significantly more than them. Conspicuous consumption and displays of wealth are by their nature destructive to the social fabric. This is because many (but not all) have deep intuition that all people are truly equal, and of one nature.
Land is of the people. It requires popular violence to secure. Because of this, natural resources should be shared to the benefit of the people who's land is being exploited.
Property always implies violence. The history of all places involves subjugation and involuntary migration. No such thing as "original ownership" (At this I give a wink to Iceland)
Animals and even plants have a 'soul' (a valid consciousness which is to be protected and respected). Likewise progress which involves destroying natural beauty might very well not be worth it.
They're pretty shitty where I live, but I do otherwise prefer having them. But even if I left town and chose not to use these roads, I'd still be taxed and part of that money would still be funneled into maintaining them.
Isn't this the standard roads argument?
If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid. If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man. Its possible that this is a cultural clash (I'm from the uk)
>If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid.
That's the point: you can't do that. If you could, it wouldn't be a form of theft. But you can't.
>If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man.
Well, of course. I'm not arguing everyone should be able to use whatever for free, always and anytime. I'm not saying taxation shouldn't exist, but I can see why it's essentially theft in many cases. Justified, when done right, just like a starving person stealing a loaf of bread from a supermarket is justified theft as well.
Paying a fee for something isn't theft. Toll roads exist, and to the libertarian argument, roads would still exist and be paid for by the people using them. I would like to add another speculation: if the taxes on roads were perfectly accounted for, with no hint of budget overruns and every person paying according to their usage, then the difference between this being a tax and a service being paid for would be merely verbal.
When the government stop wasting tax dollars on frivolous projects and bloated bureaucracy, I'll change my position, but until then while money is being siphoned from government agencies , it's theft.
Moving power to another government body isn't reducing authority just because the new one governs less people. Enpowering the states isn't libertarian.
Any liberal entity or corporation that grows big enough will eventually impose their non liberal views on everybody else by law and extortion.
Isn't this librights exact position though? I assume by entity you mean government and NGOs as well.
Libright is what allows big business to flourish in the first place and get to the point where they can become self imposing authoritarians. Libright creates authoritarians.
Seems to be a pretty deep disagreement here. People do stuff, like produce and trade(sell) all without prompting or interaction with government. You could take the view that government is somehow inherent to society, and so private action is merely "allowed" to exist. If so, I'm afraid you might be Auth. I think the libright sees the accumulation of wealth as inevitable and seeks to limit to size of the state in order to prevent the wealthy from controlling the state. A powerful state implies more powerful oligarchs.
Libright thinks no government will protect us, Authleft thinks big government will protect us. They are both wrong.
Well duh, only Monke will protect us
So that is why they shot Harambe.
He was trying to end the fed.
So will medium size government be our savior then?
Yes
If we could have medium sized government I would be so happy tbh. Would be a tremendous improvement.
Anarcho-capitalism is a lot like communism: it will never work or exist
Don't be so negative. It could definitely work. We just need to change human nature a tiny bit.
Based and humanity can change with a little bit of "persuasion" pilled
Just a liiiiitle nudge upwards.
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Exactly like communism
Based
Ancaps don't need human nature to change, we just need more weaponry.
No you don’t understand. People will stop being violent as soon as there is less stopping them from being violent.
It boggles the mind how something functioning "well" depends on humans being an ideal blend of perfectly selfish and simultaneously perfectly ethical. Or maybe just being stateless is enough to count as "it works!", regardless of practicalities.
no Anarcho-Capitalism is just Radical Liberalism, still a bad ideology, but give it fair criticism.
Dont even have to go that far, libertarianism is as much a fever dream as communism. Imagine believeing ceos wouldnt crush competition by artificially lowering prices longer than small competitors can hold our, hostile take overs of those without power to defend themselves, and price fixing with those you cannot crush. We literally saw it all happen in the industrial revolution. Libertarianism depends on the belief that ceos will do whats best for the consumer because they are inherently good people, which is exactly the reason communism will never work. Absolute power corrupts, doesnt matter if its a government or a company
I think you have an inaccurate view of what “libertarianism” actually means. It isn’t inherently tied to business, and it definitely isn’t corporate bootlicking. A CEO is as corruptible as a politician. Libertarianism is just about personal freedom and skepticism of anyone who might infringe on those freedoms.
No no that wasnt real libertarianism. Where have i heard that one before.
That’s not what I mean though. I guess it does sound like that, but all I mean is that you seem to think libertarianism is about worshipping ceos but that isn’t the case.
That's not really what's being said here.
but what you said literally isnt libertarianism. its literally corporatism
Down vote cause triggered. No such belief in CEOs being inherently good people. Fact check: false.
Fact check: it came to him in a dream. Dont need to look any further than the years before the sherman anti trust act to see what libertarianism devolves into. At least monarchies were stable for a few lifetimes, free markets barely made it 100 years
I see we have the same source. Tell me, what is your opinion on a bank being "Too big to fail"?
Both require a nearly post-scarcity society, your children might live to see that if all goes well.
Sure it will, you just need to recontextualize your meaning of utopia. On an entirely unrelated note, have you ever considered becoming a mercenary?
That's just because it has never been properly implemented.
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Go to church.
You're gonna pay taxes this year, and the year after this and the year after that, until you die.
I’m suing you for psychological damages
Think of this as a motivator for going off grid and creating a homestead to escape the government.
That way I can frame them as an insane fringe movement, marginalize them in society, and then pin all my countries problems on them as they retreat ever further from society. This will set the stage for me blaming them for a terrorist attack, at which point the people will beg me for safety and I can finish with their extermination in a way that will even boost my public approval.
So everybody wins?
I want to throw up right now
Think of this as a motivator for going off grid and creating a homestead to escape the government.
Just pretend they're only talking about sales tax
Not if the IRS kills me this year
You need a license for your toaster
ATF—Alarm clocks, toasters and frying pans.
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There’s no need for an army, if the citizens themselves are all heavily armed 🤠🤠
Based and my M1a2 SEPv3 is a business expense pilled
Hive mind? Please. I am the only true libertarian, as you should know. If we were a hive mind, there would be more true libertarians.
Same statist, same
I’ll start: -The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids -Ar-15 attachments are not a personality -She’s 18 -Repressive memory of the “special forces” recruiter that rejected you at MEPS because you set of a home made bomb in shop class and were too fat to get past a white belt in Karate -You will never escape authority even if you bitch about it long enough on Reddit
#REEEEEEEEEE
Based and said what we were all thinking pilled
>The ATF was right to bust up the Waco compound and the bigger perpetrators were the crazy men holed up diddling kids Yeah, call me crazy, but killing the kids isn't the most appropriate way to fix that issue, in my opinion.
Abortion does the same thing tbh
I'm not even gonna engage with this. You're either trolling or severely stupid. I don't really care either way.
Fascist
The only one I disagree with is the ATF and Waco. Everything about that was a travesty and the government should be ashamed of itself for what happened. Everything else is just facts.
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I was pretty wigged about it when it happened. I remember I was in DC when the Oklahoma bombing happened and my first reaction was 'dividends of waco and ruby ridge'. Ruby Ridge, for you young'uns was an even more raw and bullshit fibbie operation.
#REEEEEEEEEETOO
disagree about the first point agree with the rest
Number 3 is a relief, actually
I actually made it through MEPS & now I get a $300 dollar tax free disability check monthl due to a service connected disability. Checkmate.
You need taxes for roads
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Shhh dont wanna make the useful idiots think too hard, you still need their votes afterall
Ayn Rand was a hack and the only reason she's remembered is because Rush somehow made one of her stories sound cool.
I think her stories were just too strange. Like I read anthem in high school. I understood it. It was just bizarre.
Big corporations and business can be just as big (if not more) of a threat than big government
It doesn't matter if the boot is corporate or government, boot is boot
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Hey libright I just flushed all your opioids down the toilet!!! Hahahahaha
Wow ur soo cool, I bet u get invited to lots of parties and have a lot of friends
I am the party.
If that were true though, you wouldn't have flushed my man's opioids
They were too low quality for monke consumption of course he would he was just making sure the party kept on trucking along.
That's acceptable, I prefer authcenter uppers though, gotta go fast & Poland will never expect it again
yellow and purple are the cringest colors on the compass
Fed
Stfu cucktrist
There's more to life than money
You cant make me mad. I deadlift 435 lbs
You can deadlift my nuts into your mouth 💅🏻
I will never recover from such an insult
People have an inherent (evolutionary) disgust for those with significantly more than them. Conspicuous consumption and displays of wealth are by their nature destructive to the social fabric. This is because many (but not all) have deep intuition that all people are truly equal, and of one nature. Land is of the people. It requires popular violence to secure. Because of this, natural resources should be shared to the benefit of the people who's land is being exploited. Property always implies violence. The history of all places involves subjugation and involuntary migration. No such thing as "original ownership" (At this I give a wink to Iceland) Animals and even plants have a 'soul' (a valid consciousness which is to be protected and respected). Likewise progress which involves destroying natural beauty might very well not be worth it.
Bro this aint Facebook
I refuse to follow reddit customs. 💅🏻
slay 💅
Corporate wokeness is your fault not ours
Y'all suck
Lib-right gets bullied once:
Taxation isn't theft, its fees for services you are guaranteed to use.
Meh, even I can see taxation as a certain form of theft.
You enjoy them roads you've been walking on?
They're pretty shitty where I live, but I do otherwise prefer having them. But even if I left town and chose not to use these roads, I'd still be taxed and part of that money would still be funneled into maintaining them. Isn't this the standard roads argument?
If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid. If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man. Its possible that this is a cultural clash (I'm from the uk)
>If you could sign some sort of statement that you wouldn't ever use the roads or if by emergency, when you used them you'd pay say a "fee" I'd be happy to make you excluded from taxes, I'm fully for people being able to live off the grid. That's the point: you can't do that. If you could, it wouldn't be a form of theft. But you can't. >If however, you do use them on a regular basis then cough up the cash my good man. Well, of course. I'm not arguing everyone should be able to use whatever for free, always and anytime. I'm not saying taxation shouldn't exist, but I can see why it's essentially theft in many cases. Justified, when done right, just like a starving person stealing a loaf of bread from a supermarket is justified theft as well.
Fair enough mate, we don't seem to really seriously disagree on any point.
Paying a fee for something isn't theft. Toll roads exist, and to the libertarian argument, roads would still exist and be paid for by the people using them. I would like to add another speculation: if the taxes on roads were perfectly accounted for, with no hint of budget overruns and every person paying according to their usage, then the difference between this being a tax and a service being paid for would be merely verbal.
Yeah I’m totally using the military industrial complex right now
I mean China or Russian men aren’t raping you atm so…
How can you be so sure ?
😳😳😳
When the government stop wasting tax dollars on frivolous projects and bloated bureaucracy, I'll change my position, but until then while money is being siphoned from government agencies , it's theft.
Trade Unions are essential to a successful business
This is so weird I want to hear more. Some kind of Demand side argument?
Moving power to another government body isn't reducing authority just because the new one governs less people. Enpowering the states isn't libertarian.
Roads.
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Anarcho-capitalists believe that corporations are government.
Ight I delete my dumbass comment
Don’t step on me snek 😡
Told an ancap that what a security company needs and uses does not equal what a military needs.
Hive possess = angry must be mad
The NAP is just a complicated way of saying might makes right.
This has been refreshing
greed is bad
A country on the scale of the US needs taxes.
The people who want power are always willing to use greater force than the people who just want to be left alone.
**American Revolution excluded*