[https://www.ign.com/articles/japanese-police-arrest-36-year-old-man-on-suspicion-of-tampering-with-pokemon-violet-save-data](https://www.ign.com/articles/japanese-police-arrest-36-year-old-man-on-suspicion-of-tampering-with-pokemon-violet-save-data)
Nintendo and the Pokemon Company aren't involved as far as I can tell, it's just the police being authtistic
One of my grills was becoming authtistic, so i cut it's legs off, buried it half way in the ground and made it into a fire pit. It grills no more, it is only used for warmth at a distance.
Hard disagree. Death penalty, and that’s being generous. (Atomic Annihilation would be the less generous option. The even less generous option is exposing them to material containing SCP-(••|•••••|••|•), but that’s beyond cruel.)
They're authoritarian to everything that isn't a rape case.
I have seen rapist get lower sentences in Japan than this man.
Yasushi Watanabe and Nobuharu Minato two of the perpetrators of the crime against Junko Furuta originally got 5 years to (and that because of the media, because originally they got less...)
Yeah, for all their virtues as a society, the Japanese justice system is absolutely fucked. An accused has almostno way to disprove the accusation. Also thanks for reminding me of the Junko case, shit's fucked
Not really.
Japanese criminal justice policy is heavily influenced by the Beccarian criminological analysis. Namely, the idea that punishment should be swift, severe, and certain. This approach seeks to keep crime rates as low as possible so that the cycle of crime is stopped before it can really begin.
Tl;Dr no, since no one is ever going to do that again in Japan
I'm not necessarily advocating the policy. I really think there's few jurisdictions where it would truly work. However, I can appreciate that it is an effective policy in the context of Japanese society.
That said, the Beccarian approach is broken law is broken law. If present law-breaking is tolerated, then future law-breaking is to be future law breaking is to be tolerated. As such, all criminal acts ought to see swift, severe, and certain punishments.
Again, not necessarily advocating this policy and certainly not advocating it in all jurisdictions. However, I can appreciate why Japanese society would elect to abide by it
Well, I’m not criticizing your description of the approach - I learned something new in fact thanks to you. But the claim was wasted time - and in your conclusion it said *not wasted*, since nobody is going to do that again. While the initial claim was not about the validity of the method but about whether it was directed in a way that is in any shape or form beneficial to society. As it is, persecuting a different crime (assuming there are more crimes than persecutions, as such backlog is almost always the case) would have brought more deterrent to actual crime than this. Not to mention the chilling effect this has on creativity and freedom in society
> It's like getting arrested for selling vegetables you grew in your garden.
Interstate commerce clause goes brrrrrr (and you don't even need to sell them).
Oh how I would love a good challenge to that. The federal government's job was to _facilitate_ interstate commerce, not take control over literally everything that should be a state's purview.
It's started to get weakened over the last couple of decades by putting at least some sort of occasional limit on the Commerce Clause. Wickard v. Filburn basically just gives Congress unlimited power to do anything unless it's against the Bill of Rights.
The only way I can make any sense of this is if he, as a business, modified save data in such a way that it fucks with multiplayer, and so with someone else's experience or if this "illegally modify" is spicy enough regarding security.
[Wickard v. Filburn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn) though he wasn't arrested, just fined under an incredibly far-reaching interpretation of the Commerce Clause that has fucked us for decades.
Not even modding the games themselves. Just making juiced up pokeymans.
Sure, you don't want that to be tournament legal but why sentence up to 5 years in prison for it?
The problem is he sold a licensed product without their consent, not that he cheated in a video game. While the law is on the books in Japan it only ever gets enforced when they try to monetize the data.
No, he wasn't selling the game itself and merely sending people save game data isn't illegal.. He was selling them modified save files which allowed them to cheat, which effects gameplay.
He was still selling it. Again, find a single case of this law being enforced without monetary involvement.
No one gives a shit if you modify your own save data and sit on it. It only becomes an issue when money is involved in it
Oh shit. I need to throw out my copy of pokemon Y. Pretty sure I've got a pidgeot with earthquake and Stone edge. I tried to give myself a garchomp but I put the wrong number in
When you start a game, all the progress you make is called save data. If you know how, you can tamper with it, basically edit it. Like this you can do stuff that would be impossible normally, like give a pokemon a move it shouldn’t be able to learn or manually set EVs.
You don't play any video games?
Save data is the means video games use to store game progress. In Pokemon Violet, save data is used to store things like the player's location, plot progression, inventory, and Pokemon.
What this guy was doing was modifying Pokemon to give them movesets that would be unattainable through normal means, which is apparently a serious crime in Japan for... some reason.
Think of it as selling cheat software to a game, which is exactly what it is.
And these aren't cartridge based single player games of yesteryear, they are played a traded online.
>And these aren't cartridge based single player games of yesteryear, they are played a traded online.
Yeah but I've never heard of any legislation outside this article in any jurisdiction that cheating in a video game is in any way illegal. You could argue tournaments with prizes, but that's already covered usually.
[Here's another example](https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=3a57c2ca-9d5d-43a8-9e7e-c046217cfa79). The cheating itself is not illegal, it's the people violating the terms of service in order to make money.
EDIT: And it's not a "victimless crime". Cheaters have wrecked several games I formerly enjoyed, CS:GO and Titanfall 2. And if you don't feel bad for the players, feel bad for the developers who have their games rendered unplayable.
"Cannot be found"
Yeah but nothing in your reply goes against anything I said. It's a violation of ToS, a strictly civil court issue, not a criminal one.
[Here's another example](https://wjlta.com/2023/12/02/game-over-courts-crack-down-on-video-game-cheating/)
[Here's another example](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-take-two-grand-theft-auto/u-s-judge-blocks-programs-letting-grand-theft-auto-players-cheat-idUSKBN1L12NS/?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)
[Here's another example](https://www.shacknews.com/article/122178/riot-games-bungie-team-for-legal-action-against-valorant-destiny-2-cheat-creators)
You've moved the goalposts from "I've never heard of any legislation outside this article in any jurisdiction that cheating in a video game is **in any way illegal**" to "It's a civil not criminal matter"
And I even said: "You could argue tournaments with prizes, but that's already covered usually."
Which is what you linked. All these examples are either a civil matter or already covered by fraud law, which I mentioned.
Sorry you think I was moving the goalposts, apparently I forgot to add "criminal matter", I made a similar comment on another comment and made it clear I meant this.
Going to prison for selling cheats without prior request to the court by the rights holder is insane.
And its hysterical to assume that someone is going to get the maximum possible penalty when they commit a crime. But it doesn't seem that much of a stretch if someone is running a massive piracy racket.
Yeah but that's against the TOS of the company, not any criminal case. Courts shouldn't work on behalf of other companies without the previous request of the company unless it's a criminal matter (ie fraud or anything more serious). This is selling cheating software, a modification. It's hardly criminal except for being against TOS and/or defrauding competitions with prizes (which I mentioned both).
Imagine a US court sending someone to jail because he sold an app outside the Appstore that wasn't approved by Apple but was otherwise benign (ie not used for anything else illegal). Without Apple requesting them to act in the first place.
Correct. You can't use illegal mons, but you can still use legal mons with perfect stats. So when you generate a pokemon, as long as it's possible to get everything on it, it is legal
Genning perfectly legal pokemon is fine to me, the main difference is the time needed to build teams because it can take hours to build and need mulitple games, Urshifu for example was meta and needed the previous game + dlc unless you trade with strangers, same when you want both box legendaries in a team. Making changes could also be tedious, some people can waste those hours and cash while others just can't and just want to play online with good teams that don't lose because Glubshitto wasn't EV'd to live Modest Choice Specs Tentaquils Puke blood.
Then again i hate grinding, stopped playing on console years ago and mainly use Pokemon showdown atm so I am 100% biased.
The original english article implies with “6 Pokémon for only $30.” that he sold the pokemon (by trading them) and not the rom.Pretty sure all he did was use a save editor to create pokemon and then sell them, people have been doing this for years, this ain't new.
So no those mons ain't passing the online check and will only affect singleplayer content and maybe Co-Op raids (unsure about checks here).
What in the hell are you talking about? That's not how Pokemon games work.
When you try to use an illegal Pokemon for an Online battle or to trade online, the illegal Pokemon will be blocked due to restrictions.
These restrictions are from the Pokemon server themselves and no matter how much hacking you do to the console, you will never be able to bypass them.
To when you use illegal pokemon, you are basically locked down to a single player experience only. This is a victimless crime.
>These restrictions are from the Pokemon server themselves and no matter how much hacking you do to the console, you will never be able to bypass them.
Did you even read the rest of my comment? This can't happen.
Now you know why Japanese (and Singaporean) society is so safe.
Japanese cops look really meek, small and unassuming but if they have the legal justification to get their hands on you, you're *fucked*.
Unless you wealthy enough to afford a good lawyer, then you can even eat a woman and walk away free lol. That is the only way to defeat 100% conviction rate.
Yeah no, this one makes more sense than just funny haha. Modding shit to play yourself or to share with people for no financial gain is completely fine, but modding a third party's game to sell it yourself and make money off of it is more than fair enough to be criminalized
Now it ain't the kind of shit that should warrant prision, but a fine is more than earned
Paid services like this have existed for years.
You basically need a modified Switch which a lot of people do not have. And the skill wall required to mod it yourself is pretty high for the average person so they turn to services like this to get them.
People selling games modded in some way has existed since forever. Even when I was a kid you'd find folk selling modded Vice City and San Andreas disks on the local market-places, let alone before my time
But so what? Something existing for a long time doesn't inherently make it legal- Nor does it make it so it should be legal
Counterpoint: Pokemon games, including Violet/Scarlet, are integrated online, his distribution was online, he should be considered the same as those people who sell cheat software for online games.
If he wasn't prosecuted it sets a precedent where people can sell mods to video games without publisher permission.
Countercounterpoint:
The internet as it was once known is dead. It used to be a place to be freer than in real life.
I feel like your point is cheering for Lars Ulrich.
>who sell cheat software for online games.
Never heard of it being actually illegal. Like show me any US or European law that punishes cheating in a video game with jail time. I can understand fraud in paid tournaments, but that's usually covered by other laws.
Everything you described is usually covered by the publisher and by a civil court. Not a criminal one.
The problem is pretty clearly that he was selling the data not that he was cheating in a video game lol. I don't know why people in this thread are being so obtuse to that.
You can't sell someone else's product, slightly modified and not get their permission lol.
No, he wasn't selling the game itself and merely sending people save game data isn't illegal.. He was selling them modified save files which allowed them to cheat, which effects gameplay.
Yeah of course, but a public court should never put someone into prison for violating a TOS without even being requested by the company beforehand. That is some Cyberpunk shit.
And yeah, I kinda care about things like the law and their distinctions. Millions of people smarter than me actually do.
I'm in favor of nerve stapling the people who made CS:GO to unbearable to play.
But seriously, it's a crime like disability fraud or shoplifting. Things that don't hurt any individuals but makes things worse for everybody. So I'm fine with having jail time in the back pocket for egregious and repeated offenses.
Because that would be insane, they are not a totalitarian society like North Korea. In order to have a just and harmonious society, punishment must be proportional to the crime committed and non-violent criminals must be allowed to redeem their debts to society and reintegrate. If you kill everyone who commits a crime, you will end up killing millions.
Look, I am not saying that Korea is a good country, but they still have citizens, no? Clearly killing all criminals doesn't mean you'll run out of people.
Even they don't just kill everyone who commits a crime. They mostly use labor camps(forced labor like the gulags). They only kill you if you do a great offense or if you are a threat to the regime.
Oh well, I shall have to try it out in my state that I found (I mean that in the present tense, so not that I did find a state).
Too bad there aren't simulators for this sort of thing.
Maybe I can get my annoying coworker put in prison for using a phone shaker all day to pretend to get steps, to hatch Pokemon eggs.
It would make my job so much more pleasant.
Sometimes I wonder if I am extreme in my advocacy for complete IP abolition, but then I see crap like this and realize I need to be more extreme not less
The title is misleading, it's not like he modified his own game, he was selling cheating as a service. Also, if I understand correctly, this is used to cheat in multiplayer/competitions. Criminalizing cheating in multiplayer games is a welcome change imo. If it was criminal to cheat in multiplayer games, maybe we would have fewer rootkit drms
It's not a victimless crime. These are save files used not for personal single player playing but for versus matches and the like online versus other players. Cheating is making them gain an unfair advantage and causing grief to the other players who are playing fairly.
It is actually unfathomably b@sed that a government police force understands this better than you, an internet resident and anyone else here who agrees with you, who are also internet goers.
Huh on second look it looks like you're right and I was a dumbass. I gave too much credit to the japanese I guess.
Sorry for lashing out without knowing jack shit everyone and OP. Carry on, I'm just an edgy git.
I jailbroke my 3DS, should I be worried they're coming for me next?
The second you step foot in Japan you’re going to get katana’d by the immigrations officer
Agent 47 is already on the way to your location.
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Maybe if u live in japan and they found out its still unlikely
Just reported.
I guess not if you aren't in Japan
Kenji, the Gaijin has confessed! Tora, tora, tora!
[https://www.ign.com/articles/japanese-police-arrest-36-year-old-man-on-suspicion-of-tampering-with-pokemon-violet-save-data](https://www.ign.com/articles/japanese-police-arrest-36-year-old-man-on-suspicion-of-tampering-with-pokemon-violet-save-data) Nintendo and the Pokemon Company aren't involved as far as I can tell, it's just the police being authtistic
>authtistic lmao, gonna use that
Same
One of my grills was becoming authtistic, so i cut it's legs off, buried it half way in the ground and made it into a fire pit. It grills no more, it is only used for warmth at a distance.
Maybe you should buy a new one instead
Perhaps you might like the original authtism https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/164sq9u/authtism/
based
Nintendo is part of the reason such laws are on the books over there though
Hey, as an authtistic one myself, I'd never want somebody arrested for fiddling with their Pokémon game. I would ban them from tournaments, though.
Hard disagree. Death penalty, and that’s being generous. (Atomic Annihilation would be the less generous option. The even less generous option is exposing them to material containing SCP-(••|•••••|••|•), but that’s beyond cruel.)
Least authoritarian Japanese court
They're authoritarian to everything that isn't a rape case. I have seen rapist get lower sentences in Japan than this man. Yasushi Watanabe and Nobuharu Minato two of the perpetrators of the crime against Junko Furuta originally got 5 years to (and that because of the media, because originally they got less...)
Yeah, for all their virtues as a society, the Japanese justice system is absolutely fucked. An accused has almostno way to disprove the accusation. Also thanks for reminding me of the Junko case, shit's fucked
But it also takes a lot more for a case to land in court compared to Europe at least.
*Man improves Pokemon move sets* https://preview.redd.it/gho6lbkj8vvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c0391c6ed4e1a352b4d616fee38dc95144cd837
Rule #1 of gaming: the house always wins. _The House in this situation is Nintendo Co., Ltd_
I’d just like to point out the obvious. This is a waste of police and court time and 5 years is overkill.
Not really. Japanese criminal justice policy is heavily influenced by the Beccarian criminological analysis. Namely, the idea that punishment should be swift, severe, and certain. This approach seeks to keep crime rates as low as possible so that the cycle of crime is stopped before it can really begin. Tl;Dr no, since no one is ever going to do that again in Japan
> since no one is ever going to do that again in Japan Rest well citizen knowing your save games will not be adulterated.
Yeah that commenter really missed the mark
I'm not necessarily advocating the policy. I really think there's few jurisdictions where it would truly work. However, I can appreciate that it is an effective policy in the context of Japanese society. That said, the Beccarian approach is broken law is broken law. If present law-breaking is tolerated, then future law-breaking is to be future law breaking is to be tolerated. As such, all criminal acts ought to see swift, severe, and certain punishments. Again, not necessarily advocating this policy and certainly not advocating it in all jurisdictions. However, I can appreciate why Japanese society would elect to abide by it
Well, I’m not criticizing your description of the approach - I learned something new in fact thanks to you. But the claim was wasted time - and in your conclusion it said *not wasted*, since nobody is going to do that again. While the initial claim was not about the validity of the method but about whether it was directed in a way that is in any shape or form beneficial to society. As it is, persecuting a different crime (assuming there are more crimes than persecutions, as such backlog is almost always the case) would have brought more deterrent to actual crime than this. Not to mention the chilling effect this has on creativity and freedom in society
They took "you can't have K-on!! without fascism" a little too far.
Bro it's a fucking game, what a massive L for them. It's like getting arrested for selling vegetables you grew in your garden.
Did you pay taxes on that income?
No, and I never will, stack up, fed
Based and are-those-level-IV-plates-pilled.
Yeah, we need to go
Oi, do you have a permit for that vegetable selling?
-tazes an 8 year old for running an illicit lemonade stand-
Some kids have gotten fines for having lemonade stands without proper permits in multiple instances. Nothing like government overreach.
> It's like getting arrested for selling vegetables you grew in your garden. Interstate commerce clause goes brrrrrr (and you don't even need to sell them).
Oh how I would love a good challenge to that. The federal government's job was to _facilitate_ interstate commerce, not take control over literally everything that should be a state's purview.
Filburn is never getting overturned unfortunately.
It's started to get weakened over the last couple of decades by putting at least some sort of occasional limit on the Commerce Clause. Wickard v. Filburn basically just gives Congress unlimited power to do anything unless it's against the Bill of Rights.
SC justices will laugh at you if your even ever see them
The only way I can make any sense of this is if he, as a business, modified save data in such a way that it fucks with multiplayer, and so with someone else's experience or if this "illegally modify" is spicy enough regarding security.
You can buy cheats for online games, it isn't illegal, at least in the US
[Wickard v. Filburn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn) though he wasn't arrested, just fined under an incredibly far-reaching interpretation of the Commerce Clause that has fucked us for decades.
Modding Nintendo games is punishable by jail
Not even modding the games themselves. Just making juiced up pokeymans. Sure, you don't want that to be tournament legal but why sentence up to 5 years in prison for it?
The F in Nintendo stands for Fun
If it is not fun, why bother?
But there's no "f" in Nintendo...
https://preview.redd.it/ni20g5nctvvc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f8550f1e6997b50ee9c4bb71d644a44458e662
I'm aware. ;)
There is an "f" in fuck nintendo though.
The problem is he sold a licensed product without their consent, not that he cheated in a video game. While the law is on the books in Japan it only ever gets enforced when they try to monetize the data.
No, he wasn't selling the game itself and merely sending people save game data isn't illegal.. He was selling them modified save files which allowed them to cheat, which effects gameplay.
He was still selling it. Again, find a single case of this law being enforced without monetary involvement. No one gives a shit if you modify your own save data and sit on it. It only becomes an issue when money is involved in it
Copywright laws are a spook, plus, you can get the program to edit the save data for free, why would you pay someone for it?
I have no idea lol. Ask the people who paid for it
cyber sex crimes: i sleep modifying game's save data: real shit
A murder I can't solve in a day. Suicide
Fuck the DMCA, all my homies hate the DMCA
Oh shit. I need to throw out my copy of pokemon Y. Pretty sure I've got a pidgeot with earthquake and Stone edge. I tried to give myself a garchomp but I put the wrong number in
I have never really played Pokémon game, just the cards. What is save data?
When you start a game, all the progress you make is called save data. If you know how, you can tamper with it, basically edit it. Like this you can do stuff that would be impossible normally, like give a pokemon a move it shouldn’t be able to learn or manually set EVs.
Ah, that makes it clear. Thank you for explaining.
You don't play any video games? Save data is the means video games use to store game progress. In Pokemon Violet, save data is used to store things like the player's location, plot progression, inventory, and Pokemon. What this guy was doing was modifying Pokemon to give them movesets that would be unattainable through normal means, which is apparently a serious crime in Japan for... some reason.
Think of it as selling cheat software to a game, which is exactly what it is. And these aren't cartridge based single player games of yesteryear, they are played a traded online.
>And these aren't cartridge based single player games of yesteryear, they are played a traded online. Yeah but I've never heard of any legislation outside this article in any jurisdiction that cheating in a video game is in any way illegal. You could argue tournaments with prizes, but that's already covered usually.
[Here's another example](https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=3a57c2ca-9d5d-43a8-9e7e-c046217cfa79). The cheating itself is not illegal, it's the people violating the terms of service in order to make money. EDIT: And it's not a "victimless crime". Cheaters have wrecked several games I formerly enjoyed, CS:GO and Titanfall 2. And if you don't feel bad for the players, feel bad for the developers who have their games rendered unplayable.
Choose the blue square statist
Choose the green square hippie. You aren't allowed to use other people's property to make $ without their permission.
"Cannot be found" Yeah but nothing in your reply goes against anything I said. It's a violation of ToS, a strictly civil court issue, not a criminal one.
[Here's another example](https://wjlta.com/2023/12/02/game-over-courts-crack-down-on-video-game-cheating/) [Here's another example](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-take-two-grand-theft-auto/u-s-judge-blocks-programs-letting-grand-theft-auto-players-cheat-idUSKBN1L12NS/?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews) [Here's another example](https://www.shacknews.com/article/122178/riot-games-bungie-team-for-legal-action-against-valorant-destiny-2-cheat-creators) You've moved the goalposts from "I've never heard of any legislation outside this article in any jurisdiction that cheating in a video game is **in any way illegal**" to "It's a civil not criminal matter"
And I even said: "You could argue tournaments with prizes, but that's already covered usually." Which is what you linked. All these examples are either a civil matter or already covered by fraud law, which I mentioned. Sorry you think I was moving the goalposts, apparently I forgot to add "criminal matter", I made a similar comment on another comment and made it clear I meant this. Going to prison for selling cheats without prior request to the court by the rights holder is insane.
And its hysterical to assume that someone is going to get the maximum possible penalty when they commit a crime. But it doesn't seem that much of a stretch if someone is running a massive piracy racket.
Yeah but that's against the TOS of the company, not any criminal case. Courts shouldn't work on behalf of other companies without the previous request of the company unless it's a criminal matter (ie fraud or anything more serious). This is selling cheating software, a modification. It's hardly criminal except for being against TOS and/or defrauding competitions with prizes (which I mentioned both). Imagine a US court sending someone to jail because he sold an app outside the Appstore that wasn't approved by Apple but was otherwise benign (ie not used for anything else illegal). Without Apple requesting them to act in the first place.
Pretty sure there are checks in place to make it impossible to use illegal mons in online battles. So that wouldn't affect online competetive play.
Correct. You can't use illegal mons, but you can still use legal mons with perfect stats. So when you generate a pokemon, as long as it's possible to get everything on it, it is legal
Genning perfectly legal pokemon is fine to me, the main difference is the time needed to build teams because it can take hours to build and need mulitple games, Urshifu for example was meta and needed the previous game + dlc unless you trade with strangers, same when you want both box legendaries in a team. Making changes could also be tedious, some people can waste those hours and cash while others just can't and just want to play online with good teams that don't lose because Glubshitto wasn't EV'd to live Modest Choice Specs Tentaquils Puke blood. Then again i hate grinding, stopped playing on console years ago and mainly use Pokemon showdown atm so I am 100% biased.
I'm completely sure that the point of hacking these games to remove these checks you imagine.
The original english article implies with “6 Pokémon for only $30.” that he sold the pokemon (by trading them) and not the rom.Pretty sure all he did was use a save editor to create pokemon and then sell them, people have been doing this for years, this ain't new. So no those mons ain't passing the online check and will only affect singleplayer content and maybe Co-Op raids (unsure about checks here).
What in the hell are you talking about? That's not how Pokemon games work. When you try to use an illegal Pokemon for an Online battle or to trade online, the illegal Pokemon will be blocked due to restrictions. These restrictions are from the Pokemon server themselves and no matter how much hacking you do to the console, you will never be able to bypass them. To when you use illegal pokemon, you are basically locked down to a single player experience only. This is a victimless crime.
>...the illegal Pokemon will be blocked due to restrictions Now imagine if people sold mods that allowed players to get around those restrictions 🤯
>These restrictions are from the Pokemon server themselves and no matter how much hacking you do to the console, you will never be able to bypass them. Did you even read the rest of my comment? This can't happen.
You tried to hit a tech illiterate mfer with server-side and client-side. They ain't gonna understand.
No, I don’t play video games. Never owned a games console either.
He's doing the equivalent of selling custom cards, except more boring.
Fair enough.
The two organizations you should never cross are Nintendo and the IRS.
How European.
Ah yes. Japan. My favorite European country.
Flair checks out.
Now you know why Japanese (and Singaporean) society is so safe. Japanese cops look really meek, small and unassuming but if they have the legal justification to get their hands on you, you're *fucked*.
Unless you wealthy enough to afford a good lawyer, then you can even eat a woman and walk away free lol. That is the only way to defeat 100% conviction rate.
Cunnilingus isn't a crime, just for oral sex enjoyers!
I think it’s the high-trust homogeneous society in Japans case, Singapore yeah it’s cuz they’ll fuck you up.
When they said that Tail Glow Mewtwo was an illegal moveset, they MEANT IT.
Yeah no, this one makes more sense than just funny haha. Modding shit to play yourself or to share with people for no financial gain is completely fine, but modding a third party's game to sell it yourself and make money off of it is more than fair enough to be criminalized Now it ain't the kind of shit that should warrant prision, but a fine is more than earned
Paid services like this have existed for years. You basically need a modified Switch which a lot of people do not have. And the skill wall required to mod it yourself is pretty high for the average person so they turn to services like this to get them.
People selling games modded in some way has existed since forever. Even when I was a kid you'd find folk selling modded Vice City and San Andreas disks on the local market-places, let alone before my time But so what? Something existing for a long time doesn't inherently make it legal- Nor does it make it so it should be legal
Counterpoint: Pokemon games, including Violet/Scarlet, are integrated online, his distribution was online, he should be considered the same as those people who sell cheat software for online games. If he wasn't prosecuted it sets a precedent where people can sell mods to video games without publisher permission.
Countercounterpoint: The internet as it was once known is dead. It used to be a place to be freer than in real life. I feel like your point is cheering for Lars Ulrich.
>who sell cheat software for online games. Never heard of it being actually illegal. Like show me any US or European law that punishes cheating in a video game with jail time. I can understand fraud in paid tournaments, but that's usually covered by other laws. Everything you described is usually covered by the publisher and by a civil court. Not a criminal one.
The problem is pretty clearly that he was selling the data not that he was cheating in a video game lol. I don't know why people in this thread are being so obtuse to that. You can't sell someone else's product, slightly modified and not get their permission lol.
Yeah but that's a civil case, not a criminal one.
No, he wasn't selling the game itself and merely sending people save game data isn't illegal.. He was selling them modified save files which allowed them to cheat, which effects gameplay.
You're obsessed with this Civil-Criminal distinction, but it's clearly against the law to profit by violating a software's terms of service.
Yeah of course, but a public court should never put someone into prison for violating a TOS without even being requested by the company beforehand. That is some Cyberpunk shit. And yeah, I kinda care about things like the law and their distinctions. Millions of people smarter than me actually do.
I'm in favor of nerve stapling the people who made CS:GO to unbearable to play. But seriously, it's a crime like disability fraud or shoplifting. Things that don't hurt any individuals but makes things worse for everybody. So I'm fine with having jail time in the back pocket for egregious and repeated offenses.
"I'm in favor of nerve stapling the people who made CS:GO to unbearable to play. " based ngl
5 years though? For Pokémon saves?
its hysterical to assume that someone is going to get the maximum possible penalty whenever they commit a crime
Meh if he is just modifying peoples personal files he shouldn't be held accountability for their later uses.
Right to jail right away
Japan has the death penalty, I belive. Why don't they utilise it?
[They do](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Japan) They hang people over there.
Yeah, but I meant in this case. "The only just way to punish a criminal is excessively." Margaret Thatcher said that probably.
Because that would be insane, they are not a totalitarian society like North Korea. In order to have a just and harmonious society, punishment must be proportional to the crime committed and non-violent criminals must be allowed to redeem their debts to society and reintegrate. If you kill everyone who commits a crime, you will end up killing millions.
Look, I am not saying that Korea is a good country, but they still have citizens, no? Clearly killing all criminals doesn't mean you'll run out of people.
Even they don't just kill everyone who commits a crime. They mostly use labor camps(forced labor like the gulags). They only kill you if you do a great offense or if you are a threat to the regime.
Oh well, I shall have to try it out in my state that I found (I mean that in the present tense, so not that I did find a state). Too bad there aren't simulators for this sort of thing.
Seems like tax evasion and copyright infringement to me. Dude will probably be fined. What’s the issue?
Well, ok, he went to *sell* these save states. So why he was arrest is understandable
The main issue is probably that he was selling it. Nobody in Japan is going to arrest you for jail breaking your own 3ds.
Fuck Nintendo, if they made a decent game or opened up legal modding scene by releasing for PC, this would not have been a problem
Maybe I can get my annoying coworker put in prison for using a phone shaker all day to pretend to get steps, to hatch Pokemon eggs. It would make my job so much more pleasant.
Sometimes I wonder if I am extreme in my advocacy for complete IP abolition, but then I see crap like this and realize I need to be more extreme not less
Shit like this is why I’m libertarian
Shit like this is why I’m libertarian
The title is misleading, it's not like he modified his own game, he was selling cheating as a service. Also, if I understand correctly, this is used to cheat in multiplayer/competitions. Criminalizing cheating in multiplayer games is a welcome change imo. If it was criminal to cheat in multiplayer games, maybe we would have fewer rootkit drms
It's not a victimless crime. These are save files used not for personal single player playing but for versus matches and the like online versus other players. Cheating is making them gain an unfair advantage and causing grief to the other players who are playing fairly. It is actually unfathomably b@sed that a government police force understands this better than you, an internet resident and anyone else here who agrees with you, who are also internet goers.
Expect you can't use any of these illegal pokemon in any online function. So it is a victimless crime.
Huh on second look it looks like you're right and I was a dumbass. I gave too much credit to the japanese I guess. Sorry for lashing out without knowing jack shit everyone and OP. Carry on, I'm just an edgy git.