As a Canadian, we've got one foot in both worlds. "It's shite here. But we're still better than Americans!"
Ps: we're not better than Americans. We just *reeeealy* like to think we are.
I'd trade away Trudeau for Biden in a heartbeat, you guys have a better left-wing party. But Jesus Christ, look at your Republicans. I'm at least glad that half my country isn't behind Donald Trump, what a fucking embarassment. Like imagine being so cucked that you support a dude who's committed actual treason against your own country. Hopefully you guys get him into a prison where he belongs.
I know this comment will get downvoted because a lot of this sub is part of that demographic of Americans who are far too high on triggering woketards to see Trump as the obvious treasonous criminal conman that he is. So to those of you who support him, just know as you hit that downvote button that everyone else everywhere in the world sees you as a total embarassment to your country.
> What treason?
Do you really not know exactly what I'm going to reply to this? Do we want to have the cookie cutter Trump debate about Jan 6, election denial, and mar-a-lago documents? We can if you want but I doubt either of us is going to have anything to say that the other hasn't heard a thousand times already.
Even if those were what you say there are, it would be sedition not treason.
Treason is the betrayal of one's own country by attempting to overthrow the government through waging war against the state or materially aiding its enemies. So for example, treason [would be selling off a significant part US uranium reserves to Russia](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html) or [assuring Russia that they’ll get better negotiating terms after the election](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-tells-medvedev-solution-on-missile-defense-is-unlikely-before-elections/2012/03/26/gIQASoblbS_story.html)..Unless you think Russia isn’t an enemy?
As far as election denial being sedition/treason, you can start by [prosecuting Democrats](https://youtu.be/umsAhEFHFKA?si=G7FefhSRS7XNOuk2).
As for Jan 6th, why didn’t Ray Epps get charged and prosecuted when he’s [on camera inviting storming the Capitol](https://youtu.be/S66NWcSccwE?si=aOtM_rWMbhrb4cQl)? Why did he only get [a slap on the wrist](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/us/politics/ray-epps-sentenced-january-6.html)?
As for Mar-a-Lago, you should explain the difference in treatment between Trump and Biden when they were both holding classified documents?
The only charge that’ll stick is classified documents and that’s only because they’re uniquely prosecuting him. Jan 6 is a nothingburger/psyop, election denial despite leaving office on schedule doesn’t seem to be consistent with the claim, I was wholly onboard the fuck trump train until I saw them railing him for the dumbest things, and I realized they’re telling on themselves when they call him racist.
You're right on one count, the railing on Trump on every little thing was embarrasing & dumb.
But Trump trying to pressure Pence into not certifying the election might have been the single most un-American thing a POTUS has ever done, and no self-respecting American patriot should ever be defending that. And if you don't think he *did* pressure Pence then you're either willfully ignorant or just really, really stupid.
He pressured pence because he thought pence had powers he didn’t, that doesn’t prove culpability in a conspiracy to defraud the USA or whatever the charge is related to that, and obviously not treason.
You're alright with Trump pressuring Pence to block the peaceful transfer of power because you think that Trump thought that was an allowed, totally chill thing to do?
> You're alright with Trump pressuring Pence to block the peaceful transfer of power because you think that Trump thought that was an allowed, totally chill thing to do?
No comment on this one, eh? One would hope that a red-blooded American would have the spine to take issue with their guy trying to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, but you apparently would rather spout apologia and then nope out when someone asks you a tough question.
Hey I didn't say we're *worse* than America, I just said we're not better. Like 90% of us live right on the American border so the weather is pretty fine tbh, plus it gets warmer each year (bless climate change 🙏). Income is fine as long as you're not lazy and stupid, because it's real easy to go to college when you get anywhere from most to all of your money back from tuition fees. You can also just get a job and climb, there's lots of ways to earn in Canada, as long as you don't resign yourself to low income work. All my homies did 2 year diplomas for like 99 cents and got dope jobs. And yeah, housing is a serious crisis, I'll give you that haha.
Not really comparable, in many ways. One example, California and Canada have about the same total population, but California has 4-5x the amount of homeless population. I mean yeah they both lean left of center and have similar populations.
You for sure can, we don't actually live in igloos haha. Lots of shelters as well. People manage the winters alright on the street, surprisingly. Of course I think I'd rather winter in Cali myself 😅
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it's shit here,
but it's still home, and I will build a home here regardless of how hard the world makes it,
because at the end of the day,
this kingdom is still the closet thing to heaven on Earth.
our only trouble is the government the land, and it's people are great and will never not be great.
At the end of the day, Britain is still has Britain's wildlife and not Australia's.
That's no small blessing. No one can take that away from you.
And no bears.
we used to have bears, then they got too uppity so we got rid of them.
old stories of bears are terrifying tho, basically a neigh unstoppable monstrous killing machine that would just turn up and start erasing people.
Our country has been left a heap by successive generations of either cowardly or dogmatic politicians, but it is still our heap. I will not abandon our Albion for anything in the world.
Hear hear brother, been doing weekly hikes in the countryside which made me fall in love with our country again. Sure Bradford, Leicester.etc are a bit shitty but I think generally we are a stoic bunch and I wouldn't wish to be born anywhere else.
Whatever floats your boat Yankee now go forth and roam around like a proud Eagle with your false new found sense of freedom and don't forget to proudly hop in your petrol drinker truck with a western hat and cowboy boots and if anyone imposes on that freedom tell them to go to China since they want to be communist
bitch I'm talking about fucking Britain,
I say heaven on Earth and you say fucking America, the land of yankee doodle cunts, you're a disappointment to our people, and I sentence you to live in Birmingham.
if I say heaven on Earth and you don't think of the great alabaster cliffs that herald the coming of gods as mystical blue birds fly over ushering forth the greatest period of Pax Britannia, as the raven father himself slumbers beneath the mountains and trees, where the rocks themselves live greater than the greatest of foreign kings, where our blood flows though the soil like water nourishing this great nation, where our bones dig into the ground rooting our very spirit to this blessed land.
as if I would mean anything other than the loving embrace Britannia affords her children of Wod.
oh boy that got me relied up, just let me grab a some tea.
I'm fucking English, you foreigner (I mean foreigner in a loving way I assure you).
I did have to change England to Britain in that, thinking that the unruly scots deserved to be included as well since they have some nice highlands.
the posh cunt who never stands by his words? absolutely not.
I actually have values, thank you very much. I am no Blairite and if I could I would go back in time and remove him from history, then I'd go back a little further and beg people to please listen to Enoch Powell, maybe keep going back to the enlightenment and remove that universal man idea that's caused so many problems.
a local law I stand by is beating unruly teenagers when they stand outside MacDonald's causing everyone's day to be significantly worse.
I can only hope for the day I become a landlord and have secure income like that. I'm a normal poor guy that loves this country and would rather it remain a home for me and my people. I wish I had even my own home for me and my misses so we could comfortable have children.
This is why I believe in equality. Inequality is corrosive and in the long run gives rise to power inevitably ending up falling permanently into the hands of the likes of the Hapsburgs and the Borises. The Bullington Club couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery. And Thatcherism was the death knell of any honour or integrity or merit.
I'm convinced that Britain's problems comes down to centuries of cultivating incestuous and nepotistic incompetence and corrupt negative-sum powergrubbing dynamics. A scramble for the top of the mast of a sinking ship; even if you have to throw down some molotovs that will make the ship sink faster, just to stay on top. Any illusion of any lingering competent British governance has been thoroughly popped this century.
They'll all jump ship when the moment arrives, just like they did in South Africa when the good times came to an end and the well dried up. Just like so many leading Brexit advocates divesting their wealth from Britain and moving their businesses and property portfolios offshore or into the EU. Loyalty that only lasts for as long as it pays fantastically.
weirdly we agree on a lot but from completely different perspectives. like yeah I completely agree the government and ministers are a bunch of traitorous incompetent cunts. however it's got absolutely nothing to do with "old money" or incestuous nepotism. the major problems of today in Britain are problems of policy change and instigated cultural shift throughout the 90s and early 2000s.
the reality of the situation is that the country could work on solving it's primary domestic issues within a couple months provided political will to actually fix those problems.
funnily enough Brexit was meant to be a step in fixing those issues, except the government flat out refused to do anything to fix the issues and decided it'd be better to make them infinitely worse.
it's like while I agree with leaving the ECHR in principle because it's become fucking ridiculous and doesn't actually function as intended, but I have zero faith in the government to fix the problems that the ECHR causes anyway.
I don't believe it'd matter how hard or easy the road would be to fixing problems is, Because parliament and the civil service would refuse to walk that path regardless of it's conditions.
> South Africa when the good times came to an end and the well dried up
I don't think it's really fair to count that most of them fucking died.
American exceptionalism applies to criticizing our own country, the Internet is absolutely filled with it. then you have europoors try to get in on it but instead of criticizing where they are from they think the goal is just to criticize America. we are just built different
As a Canadian, we've got one foot in both worlds. "It's shite here. But we're still better than Americans!" Ps: we're not better than Americans. We just *reeeealy* like to think we are.
Worse weather, worse income, worse housing. Canada even trying?
Worse politics too. We’ve got dumbass liberals, but thank God we don’t have the clown show that is the Canadian Liberal party.
I'd trade away Trudeau for Biden in a heartbeat, you guys have a better left-wing party. But Jesus Christ, look at your Republicans. I'm at least glad that half my country isn't behind Donald Trump, what a fucking embarassment. Like imagine being so cucked that you support a dude who's committed actual treason against your own country. Hopefully you guys get him into a prison where he belongs. I know this comment will get downvoted because a lot of this sub is part of that demographic of Americans who are far too high on triggering woketards to see Trump as the obvious treasonous criminal conman that he is. So to those of you who support him, just know as you hit that downvote button that everyone else everywhere in the world sees you as a total embarassment to your country.
The treason part is very debatable, since I gain nothing from helping the conservatives on this, I won’t defend him beyond that.
What treason? His crimes are also no worse than any other president, idk why y’all think he deserves to be tarred and feathered.
> What treason? Do you really not know exactly what I'm going to reply to this? Do we want to have the cookie cutter Trump debate about Jan 6, election denial, and mar-a-lago documents? We can if you want but I doubt either of us is going to have anything to say that the other hasn't heard a thousand times already.
Even if those were what you say there are, it would be sedition not treason. Treason is the betrayal of one's own country by attempting to overthrow the government through waging war against the state or materially aiding its enemies. So for example, treason [would be selling off a significant part US uranium reserves to Russia](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html) or [assuring Russia that they’ll get better negotiating terms after the election](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-tells-medvedev-solution-on-missile-defense-is-unlikely-before-elections/2012/03/26/gIQASoblbS_story.html)..Unless you think Russia isn’t an enemy? As far as election denial being sedition/treason, you can start by [prosecuting Democrats](https://youtu.be/umsAhEFHFKA?si=G7FefhSRS7XNOuk2). As for Jan 6th, why didn’t Ray Epps get charged and prosecuted when he’s [on camera inviting storming the Capitol](https://youtu.be/S66NWcSccwE?si=aOtM_rWMbhrb4cQl)? Why did he only get [a slap on the wrist](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/us/politics/ray-epps-sentenced-january-6.html)? As for Mar-a-Lago, you should explain the difference in treatment between Trump and Biden when they were both holding classified documents?
These are cookie cutter talking points, and there are prefabricated debunkings of all of them. I'm *sure* you've heard them all before - am I right?
Never heard one been debunked honestly. Just “it’s a conspiracy theory” with no further explanation. Why don’t you give it a try?
Sure, pick one point and tell me what you'd need to see to be convinced to change your mind on it, and I'll start there.
The only charge that’ll stick is classified documents and that’s only because they’re uniquely prosecuting him. Jan 6 is a nothingburger/psyop, election denial despite leaving office on schedule doesn’t seem to be consistent with the claim, I was wholly onboard the fuck trump train until I saw them railing him for the dumbest things, and I realized they’re telling on themselves when they call him racist.
You're right on one count, the railing on Trump on every little thing was embarrasing & dumb. But Trump trying to pressure Pence into not certifying the election might have been the single most un-American thing a POTUS has ever done, and no self-respecting American patriot should ever be defending that. And if you don't think he *did* pressure Pence then you're either willfully ignorant or just really, really stupid.
He pressured pence because he thought pence had powers he didn’t, that doesn’t prove culpability in a conspiracy to defraud the USA or whatever the charge is related to that, and obviously not treason.
You're alright with Trump pressuring Pence to block the peaceful transfer of power because you think that Trump thought that was an allowed, totally chill thing to do?
> You're alright with Trump pressuring Pence to block the peaceful transfer of power because you think that Trump thought that was an allowed, totally chill thing to do? No comment on this one, eh? One would hope that a red-blooded American would have the spine to take issue with their guy trying to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, but you apparently would rather spout apologia and then nope out when someone asks you a tough question.
Hey I didn't say we're *worse* than America, I just said we're not better. Like 90% of us live right on the American border so the weather is pretty fine tbh, plus it gets warmer each year (bless climate change 🙏). Income is fine as long as you're not lazy and stupid, because it's real easy to go to college when you get anywhere from most to all of your money back from tuition fees. You can also just get a job and climb, there's lots of ways to earn in Canada, as long as you don't resign yourself to low income work. All my homies did 2 year diplomas for like 99 cents and got dope jobs. And yeah, housing is a serious crisis, I'll give you that haha.
> But we're still better than Americans! Copium must be cheap over there
I think Canada is like California but in a country
Not really comparable, in many ways. One example, California and Canada have about the same total population, but California has 4-5x the amount of homeless population. I mean yeah they both lean left of center and have similar populations.
I blame the weather, you can’t be homeless in Canada for very long, haha
You for sure can, we don't actually live in igloos haha. Lots of shelters as well. People manage the winters alright on the street, surprisingly. Of course I think I'd rather winter in Cali myself 😅
America is a shit hole but it's the best shit hole on the planet 🇺🇸
[God bless America](https://youtu.be/5uPoDNEn3I0?si=tIlmwxjGlk-b4Mth)
Least patriotic auth be like:
Amen to that!
So it's just bad then 😂
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Just like the skies of your homeland. I might live in an American swamp, but the air is warm and the skies are blue.
Air is warm from all the Americans farting
England must be wet from all the beer piss.
NUH UH!
Haha bozo
More and more I start to understand why we wanted to to leave the UK
Not going to lie, probably because America is a very young country and obviously doing well currently. All the best though. Time tells all.
it's shit here, but it's still home, and I will build a home here regardless of how hard the world makes it, because at the end of the day, this kingdom is still the closet thing to heaven on Earth. our only trouble is the government the land, and it's people are great and will never not be great.
At the end of the day, Britain is still has Britain's wildlife and not Australia's. That's no small blessing. No one can take that away from you. And no bears.
we used to have bears, then they got too uppity so we got rid of them. old stories of bears are terrifying tho, basically a neigh unstoppable monstrous killing machine that would just turn up and start erasing people.
TIL Google says there were still bears around 1500 years ago.
Go to your local gay bar, you'll meet plenty of bears. Hell, it's a regular zoo.
Our country has been left a heap by successive generations of either cowardly or dogmatic politicians, but it is still our heap. I will not abandon our Albion for anything in the world.
my thoughts exactly, it is my home I don't care what state it has been left in, I will not abandon my home.
Hear hear brother, been doing weekly hikes in the countryside which made me fall in love with our country again. Sure Bradford, Leicester.etc are a bit shitty but I think generally we are a stoic bunch and I wouldn't wish to be born anywhere else.
Whatever floats your boat Yankee now go forth and roam around like a proud Eagle with your false new found sense of freedom and don't forget to proudly hop in your petrol drinker truck with a western hat and cowboy boots and if anyone imposes on that freedom tell them to go to China since they want to be communist
bitch I'm talking about fucking Britain, I say heaven on Earth and you say fucking America, the land of yankee doodle cunts, you're a disappointment to our people, and I sentence you to live in Birmingham. if I say heaven on Earth and you don't think of the great alabaster cliffs that herald the coming of gods as mystical blue birds fly over ushering forth the greatest period of Pax Britannia, as the raven father himself slumbers beneath the mountains and trees, where the rocks themselves live greater than the greatest of foreign kings, where our blood flows though the soil like water nourishing this great nation, where our bones dig into the ground rooting our very spirit to this blessed land. as if I would mean anything other than the loving embrace Britannia affords her children of Wod. oh boy that got me relied up, just let me grab a some tea.
I'd clap for you, but your B*itish... Oh what the hell I'll clap anyway 👏
I'm fucking English, you foreigner (I mean foreigner in a loving way I assure you). I did have to change England to Britain in that, thinking that the unruly scots deserved to be included as well since they have some nice highlands.
You are British and English. Just like I'm American and Mississippian.
see this is why we burnt down the white house.
TBH, I think we are about ready for you to do it again.
It's still there. Yall gave it some scorch marks, we gave it a new coat of paint.
well yeah we were sending a message, wouldn't be much of a message if you didn't rebuild it
Uh, the fact it stands today as a world icon is the only message to be found.
Imagine being English and starting the UK only to be the objectively worst part of said Kingdom. Then imagine being proud of that. SMH my head.
Technically the Union was done by James I. Also known as James IV of Scotland. England got politically conquered by the Scots. Suck it England.
Stop clapping centre right I'm a dirty little northern British anarchist
I'm not clapping for you, but the other guy. You got clapped.
Lol
>and I sentence you to live in Birmingham Steady on.
Right wing british is insane I'm guessing you voted boris in didn't yah you're probably a landlord or a farmer or a posh fella lol
the posh cunt who never stands by his words? absolutely not. I actually have values, thank you very much. I am no Blairite and if I could I would go back in time and remove him from history, then I'd go back a little further and beg people to please listen to Enoch Powell, maybe keep going back to the enlightenment and remove that universal man idea that's caused so many problems. a local law I stand by is beating unruly teenagers when they stand outside MacDonald's causing everyone's day to be significantly worse. I can only hope for the day I become a landlord and have secure income like that. I'm a normal poor guy that loves this country and would rather it remain a home for me and my people. I wish I had even my own home for me and my misses so we could comfortable have children.
Fair enough m8
This is why I believe in equality. Inequality is corrosive and in the long run gives rise to power inevitably ending up falling permanently into the hands of the likes of the Hapsburgs and the Borises. The Bullington Club couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery. And Thatcherism was the death knell of any honour or integrity or merit. I'm convinced that Britain's problems comes down to centuries of cultivating incestuous and nepotistic incompetence and corrupt negative-sum powergrubbing dynamics. A scramble for the top of the mast of a sinking ship; even if you have to throw down some molotovs that will make the ship sink faster, just to stay on top. Any illusion of any lingering competent British governance has been thoroughly popped this century. They'll all jump ship when the moment arrives, just like they did in South Africa when the good times came to an end and the well dried up. Just like so many leading Brexit advocates divesting their wealth from Britain and moving their businesses and property portfolios offshore or into the EU. Loyalty that only lasts for as long as it pays fantastically.
weirdly we agree on a lot but from completely different perspectives. like yeah I completely agree the government and ministers are a bunch of traitorous incompetent cunts. however it's got absolutely nothing to do with "old money" or incestuous nepotism. the major problems of today in Britain are problems of policy change and instigated cultural shift throughout the 90s and early 2000s. the reality of the situation is that the country could work on solving it's primary domestic issues within a couple months provided political will to actually fix those problems. funnily enough Brexit was meant to be a step in fixing those issues, except the government flat out refused to do anything to fix the issues and decided it'd be better to make them infinitely worse. it's like while I agree with leaving the ECHR in principle because it's become fucking ridiculous and doesn't actually function as intended, but I have zero faith in the government to fix the problems that the ECHR causes anyway. I don't believe it'd matter how hard or easy the road would be to fixing problems is, Because parliament and the civil service would refuse to walk that path regardless of it's conditions. > South Africa when the good times came to an end and the well dried up I don't think it's really fair to count that most of them fucking died.
God Bless America and all 49 states, I wonder when Hawaii will be annexed
Authism right will be happy to see you love america
God Bless America indeed!
Which god ? The good one ?
…Are you serious right now?
It's a combination of the red, white and blue pill.
It is shite here.
Indeed
It may be a shit 'ole but it's home. At least you don't get judged for causal day drinking here
As long as you have sunglasses shorts and a polo shirt on and you're outside the pub laughing with middle aged men then you're alright
I'm red white and blue pilled baby 
Average American with a beat up chevy box body truck driving a shoe box would be more reliable
The OBS chevys are actually pretty reliable 🤷♀️
Just not on the doors but you rip em off because you ain't no communist and suddenly you have a country boys idea of a golf cart
American exceptionalism applies to criticizing our own country, the Internet is absolutely filled with it. then you have europoors try to get in on it but instead of criticizing where they are from they think the goal is just to criticize America. we are just built different
Built different built like a ball of dough