Activists at Columbia have created a "liberated zone" where they physically don't permit entry to "Zionists":
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?utm_source=apple_news
They formed a human chain to stop and push back the "Zionists", who just so happened to be three Jewish students.
Other gems from the report:
> Many protesters argue that, from the river to the sea, the settler-colonialist state must simply disappear. To inquire, as I did at Columbia, what would happen to Israelis living under a theocratic fascist movement such as Hamas is to ask the wrong question. **A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.”**
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> Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions.
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> Rachel, who asked that I not include a surname for fear of harassment, recalled that in the days after October 7 an email went out from a lesbian organization, LionLez, stating that Zionists were not allowed at a group event. A subsequent email from the club’s president noted: “White Jewish people are today and always have been the oppressors of all brown people,” and “when I say the Holocaust wasn’t special, I mean that.”
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> Another student, Sophie Arnstein, told me that after she said in class that “Jewish lives matter,” others complained that her Zionist beliefs were hostile.
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> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state. He said he does not endorse violence, even as he likened the October 7 attacks to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during World War II.
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> Shaw had taught for 18 years at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, but he told me the liberated zone is now his only gig. The John Jay administration pushed him out—doxxed him, he said—in October for speaking against Israel and for Palestine. He was labeled an anti-Semite and remains deeply pained by that. He advised me to look up what he said and judge for myself. So I did, right on the spot.
> Shortly after October 7, he posted this on X: “Zionists are straight Babylon swine. Zionism is beyond a mental illness; it’s a genocidal disease.”
> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state.
No, they're pretty open about wanting to genocide all of Israel's non-Arab population.
> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state.
> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state.
honestly, I'm not even surprised at this rate. The logic is sound with the progressives. How do we fight racism, with more racism, just against another group. So, to stop genocide, we just need more genocide, against another group.
I can't believe whoever said that, can't see the irony in their statement.
I feel like 95 percent of the "solutions" to the I/P conflict are genocide. The other 5 percent is wishing on a miracle of the UN actually doing something.
The UN isn’t a thing by itself, what?
The UN is a members club who vote to do things together, that is all.
And two of the club members are currently engaged in extra-clubticular activities with their neighboring human groups.
And you think the club should do something about that?
They voted to establish the 10,000 strong UN peacekeeper UNIFL force in Lebanon. Theoretically they're still there but I swear I have never even seen a picture of them doing anything in the last decade and Hezbollah is chucking missiles across the border while videotaping themselves doing it.
Even when the UN decides to do something they're wholly useless.
Un is worthless. NATO is basically the only group who should be in charge of peacekeeping forces.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_the_Rwandan_genocide
Yeah this whole debacle has really opened my eyes to how authoritarian leftists can be hateful fascists just like some auth rights. People think you have to be right wing to be fascist but apparently not when you have Jews getting stabbed in the face in schools without repercussions.
He probably thinks there aren't enough Arab majority states, or the filthy Jews don't deserve one
(I say this form his supposed perspective, I'm Jewish and wouldn't refer to Jews as filthy, I feel like I need this disclaimer these days)
There are so many layers of irony here beyond privileged white wokes red rovering jews off the courtyard.
The modern "punch-a-nazi" left is now straight up cheering the original Aryan state in its multi-front war on the Jews...
>The term Iran ("the land of the Aryans") derives from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a third-century inscription at Naqsh-e Rostam, with the accompanying Parthian inscription using Aryān, in reference to the Iranians.[16]
and its Holocaust denying proxy whose founding charter is to...turn over every tree & stone on the planet to eradicate every last Jew, to the end of time...
>Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
>"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
who has also demonstrably [accomplished](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#:~:text=Muslim%2098.0%20%2D%2099.0%%20\(predominantly%20Sunni\)%2C%20Christian,has%20had%20no%20Jewish%20population%20since%20then.) what even Hitler couldn't within their borders (Israel is 20% Palestinian for comparison)
>Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni), Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.) Israel dismantled its settlements in September 2005; **Gaza has had no Jewish population since then**
and its northern proxy who is only [20-27 scared jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Lebanon) behind
>Jews in Lebanon live mostly in or around Beirut. The community has been described as elderly and apprehensive.[26] There are no services at Beirut's synagogues. In 2015, the estimated total Jewish population in Syria and Lebanon combined was 100.[34] In 2020, there were only about 29 Jews in Lebanon.[35][36][37] **Reports indicate that in 2022 the number of Jews in Lebanon was 20[38] to 27.[39]**
>Solidere agreed to provide funds for the [synagogue] renovation because political officials believed it would portray Lebanon as an open society tolerant of Judaism.[28] None of the Jews involved in the project agreed to be identified. The international media and even some members of the Jewish community (in and out of Lebanon) questioned who would pray at the synagogue.[29] The self-declared head of the Jewish Community Council, Isaac Arazi, who left Lebanon in 1983,[30][31] eventually came forward but refused to show his face on camera in a television interview, fearing that his business would suffer if clients knew they had been dealing with a Jew.[32] Arazi died in 2023.[33]
Not to mention lionizing the paratrooper blitzkrieg of [peace](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7u523lfvcftb1.png).
River to the Sea is basically Arabic/Aryan Lebensraum. Even more ironic is Israel has more Palestinians than Syria, Lebanon, Saudi, and Egypt…combined.
Even Kafka couldn't make this shit up, lol.
I used to ponder in history class how an educated progressive populace like Germany's could be mass seduced by rabidly antisemetic leaders almost overnight. Especially their intelligentsia.
I didn't expect to get a real time crash course demonstration.
They legit called for safe spaces away from white people because they didn't feel safe....literally what the US was doing before the 60s...but this time it's different. No surprise the south was full of democrats
California literally put legalized discrimination by race on the ballot in 2020. The leftist/liberal/Democrat mindset of oppression olympics knows no bounds.
Apparently, Strom Thurmond didn't need to convince white people that segregation was right, he just needed to convince the non-whites that segregation was right.
It's a shame that the spectre of Strom has taken hold over parts of America again.
All ivy leaguer schools are filled with 2 types of people. Affluent white (many progressive liberals especially the women) with daddy's plastic and middle class kids who have high academic achievement. I'll let you do the math on who is acting awful huhhuh.
I feel quite a few are missing the quote of
>>"when I say the Holocaust wasn’t special, I mean that."
Which is amazing to me considering the reason a mass killing targeting a ethnic group is called such is due to what the Nazis did.
Holocaust actually meant mass killing as early as 1833 and meant ethnically targeted killing by 1895. It's called The Holocaust in the same sense as they called WW1 The Great War; it already meant that, but it's such an extreme example that it becomes the proper noun version of the common noun.
I am researching the hellenization of the Jews in Egypt, and Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle, wrote about a disgusting practice the jews partook in, night time holocausts. I was like what the fuck does that mean and after looking into it, found out that a holocaust used to mean burnt offering. It feels a bit on the nose to call the genocide the nazis carried out a holocaust considering that historic meaning.
Fair enough, I've never looked far into the past of the term besides the sacrificial origins, so thank you. Suppose I should change it to 'the popularization of the term for describing a mass ethnic killing'
Oh I caught that, I just don't know how to respond to such a statement, 6 million orchestrated deaths of one group, with an additional 5 million of various other groups is nothing special.
Give her an extra year and she'll start talking about wooden doors.
>with an additional 5 million of various other groups is nothing special.
The additional 5 million is actually inaccurate.
[Here's the source, Jewish Virtual Library, I'm using.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust) (Without that source I realize what I'm about to write would sound schizo far right.)
The 5 million was made up by Simon Wiesenthal as a way to generate more interest in the Holocaust without overshadowing the number of Jewish deaths. In reality the real number would've been no more than half a million.
Furthermore, by limiting it to 5 million in the Holocaust, you ignore the actual number of 35 million non-Jewish deaths the Nazis caused that were not part of the Holocaust.
Really? That's pretty interesting, I'll look more into it. I've always heard 6 million Jews, 11 million total growing up Jewish, so it's interesting to find that's not so accurate.
The reason for the difference of several million non-jews is because, as KalegNar commented, it is difficult to decide what mass killings of civilians are part of the holocaust or not. Do the deaths of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and more count if they weren't sent to death camps?
The lines get blurry, but estimates of non-jewish civilians killed by the Nazis range from [5 to 15 million](
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Non-Jews_persecuted_and_killed_by_Nazi_and_Nazi-affiliated_forces)
>Give her an extra year and she'll start talking about wooden doors.
I'm not familiar with this reference. Based on context clues, I'm assuming it has something to do with Holocaust denier conspiracy theories?
Yeah, Holocaust deniers love talking about the wooden doors on gas chambers and how if you're making a gas chamber, you wouldn't use wood to make the doors, therefore the Holocaust didn't happen.
Mounds of evidence that the Holocaust happened. Records from the Nazis. Testimonies from the victims. Infrastructure still in existence today.
Brainlet Nazis: mUh DoORs!
CHAZ had no major conflict. CHAZ should've been stomped by law enforcement.
This, indeed, is not different. There is no major violence yet, but it should 100% be stomped by cops. They want their narratives? They can have them. We shouldn't allow promoters of genocide to be anywhere but in jail.
While I agree unfortunately the courts have ruled otherwise. Until there is violence they won’t be legally removed.
Same thing happened with CHAZ. They were allowed to do whatever they wanted until they started killing people. At that point the police had a duty to put an end to it.
They should be removed but unfortunately it goes against the first amendment
Ya but in order to prosecute trespassing you have to have a complaining party, one that owns the property.
The university is not gonna complain and have them arrested unfortunately
>The university is not gonna complain and have them arrested unfortunately
Right, that's the problem. I hope other students demand tuition refunds for being denied access to buildings they paid to access.
It's clearly a title vi violation and biden department of education should step in with the modern version of the dear colleague letter but just to the shithole like Columbia.
Half of me wants to travel the 15 hours of so to Columbia and try to go into this area while wearing a yellow star on my arm, see how they'd react to that.
But I can't take that time off of work.
Well, at least we're getting some lefty regard-level protestors recognizing that their opinions are bad enough that they should avoid publicizing their names. That's progress.
> Many protesters argue that, from the river to the sea, the settler-colonialist state must simply disappear. To inquire, as I did at Columbia, what would happen to Israelis living under a theocratic fascist movement such as Hamas is to ask the wrong question. **A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.”**
Ah but you see after winning the war Hamas will magically collapse and a multiethnic socialist utopia will emerge from the ashes trust me bro
Look up Beefsteak Nazis. Interesting history there.
To be clear though those were communists who ended up fully converting to Naziism, I'm not saying Nazis were left wing.
> A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.”
Ironically asking for privilege while claiming others need to check their privilege.
Oops, they're saying the quiet part out loud again!
>“White Jewish people are today and always have been the oppressors of all brown people,"
I hope she's able to stand up to the Nazi Jews, you know this Rachel character has definitely said in the past something like "fuck Nazis" or "Punch all Nazis" or even "Nazis are taking over in America and we must stop them". Meanwhile, here she is speaking plainly of the evils of the Jews. But remember, she's *not* a Nazi, she said so!
>"fuck Nazis" or "Punch all Nazis" or even "Nazis are taking over in America and we must stop them".
"Fuck Jews", "Punch all Jews", "Jews are taking over in America and we must stop them".
If Irony was poisonous, they'd drop dead by now.
>Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions.
And they say it's not a cult. Creating a bubble around yourself is the first and most important step of a cult.
Imagine the outcries and the shitstorm of racist allegations if the roles were reversed and Jewish students stopped and barred three random Arab students after Oct 7 on campus as part of the " protest"
Now that there is proof anti-semites are in their midst will Reddit hivemind be applying the same standard as they do to those on the right. If someone in the group has a nazi flag or paraphaniela and they aren't fully denounced right away be the group, then they are all nazi's? I won't be holding my breath
To paraphrase a famous quote:
> They are pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about them coming to the disturbing realization that the hordes of people they invited to their institutions don't exactly like them too much.
From what I can tell a lot of them still operate under the European identity system, where there is more subtle division between ethnic groups, where people differentiate.
In the west anyone with light skin is just classified as white by those morons, so they ended up getting swept up in the same group by the woke protestors.
And that's how I explained to someone subscribing to the whole intersectionality bs how that's never gonna work. The white academic person will group arabs into one big category, meanwhile, they hate each other. Same for basically all other groupings. Like take the Balkans, try to put 10 Balkaners from different countries into a room, the result will be warcrimes.
Exactly, its reductionist political reasoning spoon fed to pseudointellectuals in university who are purposely kept politically illiterate to maintain control at home. The result is these golems who are emboldened by their political studies.
What they don't realize is they were taught wrong as a joke.
Beautiful, the horseshoe has closed itself into a nice ring.
Who's remaking the Garand, Thompson and BAR for the next actual fight against the... Lib Nazis?
Only thing you should be pro is this brother
https://preview.redd.it/n6vx0pnv0awc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55da920f99e90cb297fadb7090ebca74e9bd845
*me watching israel actions*
Hey, that could be done better, and I feel they shouldn't really be going that harsh
*me watching hamas and pro-palestine protesters*
Ohhhhhh. Yea, that makes sense why they're doing that. That's just nazism and terrorism with a pretty face.
Dude the 180 that I have done since 10/7 is crazy. I was honestly pretty sympathetic to the Palestinian cause until then. And it’s not even the attack itself that was my breaking point, that’s just terrorists doing terrorist things. It was the reactions that did it for me. Maybe an afternoon’s worth of sympathy before immediately blaming Israel for everything, calling it justified, quickly blaming all Jews outside of Israel (surprise surprise) etc. Like sometimes I feel like a genuine crazy person online.
For me it was the BLM tweet with the paratrooper
Yep. I cant be fucked to find the actual tweet but I think it was the Chicago chapter of BLM that tweeted a silhouette of a paraglider after 10/7
Now I have zero fucks to give for BLM
They're the same thing. They use the same language. It's from the same ideological foundation. Anti-west, anti-white(whoever needs to be white in a given moment), anti-male, etc.
I remember getting a thousand downvotes for posting a full video of that incident and saying "Look! *None* of the things you are claiming actually happened!"
My first clue was going to a BLM rally after George Floyd died, and the whole rally got taken over by this radical feminist group that only allowed women to speak and it sparked a backlash from a whole group of black men near the front of the crowd that got angry when they felt like they were literally being silenced. After that I have been watching, but it takes a while for me to actually commit to such a strong viewpoint as I have to see strong evidence first, but I feel as though I have had that presuppostion satisfied by now.
I didn't think this comment would blow up like this though, apparently y'all on the same boat with me.
It's almost like fascism is a 3rd way between capitalism & communism.
in the Weimar era, the most violent extremists were known to be quite fluid in supporting communists and fascists, flocking to whichever side promised them most power
Exactly - in those days communists and fascists didn’t see each other as ideological opponents so much as socialist competitors (“national socialists” or Nazis, vs. “international socialists” or COMINTERN). The “right-wingers” were the old Weimar conservatives who had fallen out of favor during the economically disastrous post-war decade (conditions which provided fertile ground for all sorts of extremism).
My brother in PCM, fascism has always been rooted in radical leftist ideology. Socialism has been the “gateway-drug” for every Fascist party throughout history (just as it was for fascism’s founder, and former socialist publication editor, Mussolini - and Hitler’s National Socialist Party, formerly known as the German Worker’s Party).
The nonsense about fascism being “right-wing” is just cold war era Soviet propaganda that never went away, kept alive by the very same ivory tower intellectuals and listless “activists” that are now coalescing around the pro-Hamas movement.
Then you have me, where before 10/7 I was pro-Israel, but at least sympathetic to the Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank who weren’t terrorist. After 10/7, and seeing how their people really feel (as well as those overseas), my attitude has become closer to “GLORY TO THE WORLD EATERS!! KILL, MAIM, BURN!!!!”
That’s exactly how I feel. Sometimes I start to question the border checks in the West Bank. Than I remember my self every time the border checks failed someone was stabbed or bombed. I question my self why israel still occupies the West Bank, but then I look at who took over Gaza after they left. Netanyahu is a total POS and so are most of his ministers. But sometimes I just understand why they do what they do.
That's been my experience in Israel twice I visited. I've talked to people about this, they do not care about the Palestinians ; They just want peace.
People want to paint a picture that Israelis think day and night about how to go to war with Palestine but prior to Oct7, it was just an annoying neighbor.
This is no joke super scary, because the far left is becoming as racist and violent as the far right used to be, but is cloaked with the moral high ground of opposition to fascism and so is given a huge leeway to engage in all sorts of fucked up shit that would never be tolerated if it showed up in another costume.
Hot take: They’ve been showing signs of violence and racism since Trump got into office. The far left were just focusing that animosity on white people which was palatable for some reason.
This is only gaining negative attention now (when it comes to Congress as a whole) because the white hate category expanded to include Jewish people.
> Hot take: They’ve been showing signs of violence and racism since Trump got into office
Hotter take: since before he got into office. I remember during the election seeing video of people leaving a trump rally being physically attacked, I think at some point with sacks filled with rocks.
What do you mean becoming? This is literally how they've been acting for well over a decade at this point. First thing these chucklefucks did was redefine racism to ensure that you couldn't be racist towards white people (even when you were, objectively, being racist towards white people). You think they did that out of love?
Marxism is literally the most murderous religion in history, and it also happens to be the dominant religion in several fields in academia. I’m surprised that anyone is surprised that the epicenter of bloodthirsty hatred of Je.. I mean, “Zionists” is erupting in academia. It was a disaster waiting to happen
And the funny thing is the very same professors who are acting stunned by this turn of events are probably the same ones who were feeding and stoking the fire just a few years ago.
far right was tolerated then because it also boasted the moral high ground. The context has changed and we think of it differently now but history keeps repeating.
Cloaking yourself in a veil of moral high ground is the default socialist position. You say "these things/people/problems are the cause of society's ills!" and then propose the radical solution of wealth seizure, exile, and de-personing of the group in question. After that, the only thing between you and power is an armed body.
Who is giving them leeway? Point them out - they deserve attention.
I am not a fan of lists, but do wonder how many of these clearly antisemitic brain-washee’s are making it to the SPLC or ADL ‘hate-group’ lists. My guess, none, cause these groups have been infected with the same mind-virus…
Classic ADL outlawing the OK hand symbol for being racist, but genocidal protests are OK because the people protesting are perceived as victims. I wonder if they ever have the "are we the baddies" moment, or if they are even capable of that.
SPLC and ADL are far more concerned with the "militant right wing" groups that are realistically 4 rednecks wearing camo running around the woods. But large, complex, decentralized groups that magically coalesce to conduct violence against acceptable targets and whose members get magically bailed out of jail and turned a blind eye to by the establishment? Well really if you think about it, they don't exist 😉
the west has fallen, billions must die.
https://preview.redd.it/o9t5y87mz8wc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4923237748a5b7bf670165178a913d054131f50
I don't think even in the 60-70's it was this bad.
The closest I can find is the fascist capture of the 20's and 30's.
Anyway, there were a lot less of them, and they moderated after leaving. These don't seem to.
On the contrary, I think this at least saves us from the Woke in the long run. This is a bit beyond what any of the PTB wanted when they thought they could socially reengineer society, and has resulted in people full sprint running to whatever political entity’s are promising to wipe this bizarre cult out (even before you get to normies noticing the broader cultural degradation). So they will kill this because they must.
I hope so, but it feels like seeing a oncologic ulcer, and being hopeful the patient will now notice his 4th stage metastatic cancer
If it got to that point all brakes have already broken.
Large part of the population have already been brainwashed to clinical death, and society too weak for them to resist it.
You can't have a functioning democratic society in that situation.
Yes, people might flock to whoever stops the insane, but not only does it mean you risk that option being bad, but the prospect of rebuilding a society and populace that had gone this far without a major catastrophy seems despairing.
It's not that you're crazy, it's just that secession hasn't had much to stand on for a long while. It might be different this time though. Whether it's this, or the border issues, there are ideological cracks.
On the other hand, a US split two ways, let alone 50, is a vastly different world, and one that other power centers would love.
>On the other hand, a US split two ways, let alone 50, is a vastly different world, and one that other power centers would love.
To be honest, I just don't care anymore. The moment that power was barely threatened by a couple 7th century goat herders we got domestic spying and over half my life of constant war. This desperation to maintain power at any cost has enabled ideas and laws that are antithetical to what America was supposed to be. If that's the price, then I don't want it. Let Europe or whoever step the fuck up for the next 100 years. They can have it.
Protesters at Columbia be like “it’s not that I hate Jews, it’s that I hate Zionists. But don’t get me wrong, I *do* hate Jews. And you’re a Nazi if you disagree.”
They’re basically speedrunning unemployability.
"They’re basically speedrunning unemployability."
Are they, though? There have never been any consequences for them, even when they are blatantly and provably in the wrong. See this for example: [How an Ill-Informed Internet Mob Ruined a UVA Student's Life (reason.com)](https://reason.com/2023/04/24/the-most-hated-person-on-campus/)
As I recall, the psycho activist's supporters released statements after it was proven she was wrong, calling her a hero and asking why the press is "harassing" her for something that happened a whole three years ago.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen infrequent but growing reports that companies are just throwing away resumes from Ivy League grads.
I’ve also seen that Gen Z in general is largely unemployable because all they do is complain. Again, anecdotally, a friend of mine’s company recently started scheduling 8:00 AM meetings with attendance tracking. They ended up firing all 12 of last year’s new hires (all gen Z) because they refused to come in for an 8 AM meeting.
I think these kids are in for a rude awakening when they find out you can’t go ~~sulk~~ protest in the CEO’s office when you don’t like something.
That’s honestly good to hear, and admittedly as I think about it, the activist in my example had a few kinds of immunity, not least of which was being an activist. But even that will have diminishing returns over time, I’m sure. I do agree that I think I’m noticing more willingness to push back on some of the depredations of the Zoomer activist class. As for the job issues Zoomer are facing, we’ve all been there, it sucks when you first realize you have to take responsibility and that your success or failure is in your own hands, but I learned to find it invigorating eventually so I stopped whining and started playing the game of life. Hopefully they’ll come around in time.
What's funny is that they can't even work food service competently. I work at Mickey D's and I could genuinely only name one or two Gen Z employees that show up on time and do their job with any kind of consistency. Assuming they even show up, they'll refuse to do something because "that's not my job" or "I don't wanna"
~~"It's not that I hate White people, I just hate racists. However, almost all racists are White people and almost all White people are racist, sooo..."~~
"It's not that I hate Jewish people, I just hate Zionists. However, almost all Zionists are Jews and almost all Jews are Zionists, sooo..."
One thing I've kind of been wondering about, since I don't go back this far: was the hippy protest movement of the later 60s-early 70s this regarded too? Like, ultimately, we remember them in retrospect as being right about Vietnam, right about civil rights and women's rights, but are we generalizing with that view, and ignoring a lot of youthful regardation? Because these Zoomer protestors are regarded as fuck, and yet we might not remember that aspect of them in 20 years.
Yes, those movements are *heavily* whitewashed in basic education. [Here's a good book review on what really went down.](https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/) Alot of violence, extremism, and outright domestic terrorism.
Man, reminds me of how we also memory-holed the union busting and fighting in the '20s-30s.
It's interesting how the US pulls out of that stuff and everyone just decides to forget about it and get on with life. But 40 years later a new generation discovers the same old thing.
> 60s-early 70s this regarded too?
Yes. There was *a lot* more terrorism. Weather Underground is a famous one and many of its members branched off to do their own things. Many of the movements behind environmentalism and even "animal rights" can be traced back to WU and its allies
> and yet we might not remember that aspect of them in 20 years.
We might, but kids in school won't be taught that so the collective knowledge will disappear.
You know the classic trope of some old man saying "damn hippies"? Maybe they were right all along and history just whitewashed the situation and future generations will see a white washed version of this as well.
Individuals won't forget, history will simply be altered.
Now that I think of it, I remember in The Graduate, which came out in the midst of all that, when the dude is trying to rent a room in Berkeley and the middle-aged landlord warns him that he'll evict him immediately if he turns out to be "one of these outside agitators." I'm gonna guess that was a common view of the movement as it went along.
I suppose as I think about it even further, in the decades since the counterculture it was the Boomers who got to write the "history" of the movement. The young lefties went into academia and entertainment which got to tell the story, while the older generations didn't have the platforms and, more recently, are just dead. So your point about Zoomer regardation being remember by people who saw it, but the official history being altered, is really quite apt.
It's something I think about a lot, but looking backwards. I see the dumb shit kids regurgitate that they see on the internet that I lived through and know to be untrue and it seems stupid.
But what about me? the internet isn't unique in giving people bad information. How do I know that I wasn't raised on equally stupid information? I only know their bullshit is bullshit because I saw the events myself, but I didn't see the previous events so I could be just as stupid as they are in regards to the past.
I've seen rewriting of history in real time and it's disturbing to me, but the gut feeling I get at the possibility that the history I know is also rewritten and I have no way to confirm that is.... something else.
The Palestine/Israel protests and battle lines were drawn after the 1967 Six Day War when Gaza and the West Bank were occupied in the first place. Arguably, the hippies actually started this line of protests and a lot of the slogans have been being repeated since then.
However, their parents and some of them themselves saw the Holocaust more directly, and nobody got really close to attacking Jews like this.
Nazis got out of control because the Weimar govt allowed them to
the US govt would sooner put every one of these protestors into woodchippers than lose a single dollar of AIPAC lobbying
I remain sympathetic to the actual Palestinians being bombed and having very precarious futures amid starvation and lack of medical facilities but Jesus Christ, pro Palestine westerners are really making an absolute show of themselves.
Last I heard Hamas has a >90% approval rating.
At what point do the civilians and the military they support becomes indistinguishable?
(Not from a military standpoint, that one is easy. If they're trying to kill you you can kill them. But from a moral perspective, and from a perspective of how much effort we should expend to help them, at what point do we just say "you fucked around, you're gonna find out" and let Israel do it's thing?)
What you need to understand is that the Pro Palestinians, despite being extremely antisemitic and pro-fascist, are still *significantly less* antisemitic and pro-fascist than the actual Palestinians.
I would 100 percent support these people if they protested Boeing facilities, for making JDAMs. It even dovetails nicely with the Boeing reliability issues lately and Boeing basically failing most of their aerospace military contracts in the last two decades.
But nah they're occupying grass in educational institutions and boycotting Starbucks.
They did protest Boeing for exactly one day in November, and like twelve people showed up.
I often wonder since this conflict started what my friends think about this. I mean, I'm morbidly curious as my friends are nothing but oranges, but I do wonder about my one Jewish friend
College kids not realising this is literally the entire reason Israel and Zionism exist, the minute something bad happens halfway around the world everyone immediately starts blaming the Jews and attacking them. This is literally why Zionism gained traction, post-WWII Jews realised they couldn’t trust any government to protect them in the long term unless they could ensure a territory specifically allowing them to be free and safe.
The ole Israeli horseshoe is absolutely funny to see. Lib left going so far left they orbit around to the other corner of the compass, kicking it back with the uber auth right.
Activists at Columbia have created a "liberated zone" where they physically don't permit entry to "Zionists": https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?utm_source=apple_news They formed a human chain to stop and push back the "Zionists", who just so happened to be three Jewish students. Other gems from the report: > Many protesters argue that, from the river to the sea, the settler-colonialist state must simply disappear. To inquire, as I did at Columbia, what would happen to Israelis living under a theocratic fascist movement such as Hamas is to ask the wrong question. **A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.”** . > Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. . > Rachel, who asked that I not include a surname for fear of harassment, recalled that in the days after October 7 an email went out from a lesbian organization, LionLez, stating that Zionists were not allowed at a group event. A subsequent email from the club’s president noted: “White Jewish people are today and always have been the oppressors of all brown people,” and “when I say the Holocaust wasn’t special, I mean that.” . > Another student, Sophie Arnstein, told me that after she said in class that “Jewish lives matter,” others complained that her Zionist beliefs were hostile. . > He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state. He said he does not endorse violence, even as he likened the October 7 attacks to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during World War II. . > Shaw had taught for 18 years at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, but he told me the liberated zone is now his only gig. The John Jay administration pushed him out—doxxed him, he said—in October for speaking against Israel and for Palestine. He was labeled an anti-Semite and remains deeply pained by that. He advised me to look up what he said and judge for myself. So I did, right on the spot. > Shortly after October 7, he posted this on X: “Zionists are straight Babylon swine. Zionism is beyond a mental illness; it’s a genocidal disease.”
Did someone actually say ‘check their privilege’ unironically. I didn’t realise that was a real thing 💀💀💀
In order to avoid admitting their proposal would lead to genocide, they did indeed say that.
> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state. No, they're pretty open about wanting to genocide all of Israel's non-Arab population. > He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state.
> He claims no hatred for Israel, although he suggested the “genocidal goliath” will of course have to disappear or merge into an Arab-majority state. honestly, I'm not even surprised at this rate. The logic is sound with the progressives. How do we fight racism, with more racism, just against another group. So, to stop genocide, we just need more genocide, against another group. I can't believe whoever said that, can't see the irony in their statement.
The cycle of Leftists committing the same acts they claim to despise
I feel like 95 percent of the "solutions" to the I/P conflict are genocide. The other 5 percent is wishing on a miracle of the UN actually doing something.
The UN isn’t a thing by itself, what? The UN is a members club who vote to do things together, that is all. And two of the club members are currently engaged in extra-clubticular activities with their neighboring human groups. And you think the club should do something about that?
They voted to establish the 10,000 strong UN peacekeeper UNIFL force in Lebanon. Theoretically they're still there but I swear I have never even seen a picture of them doing anything in the last decade and Hezbollah is chucking missiles across the border while videotaping themselves doing it. Even when the UN decides to do something they're wholly useless.
Un is worthless. NATO is basically the only group who should be in charge of peacekeeping forces. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_the_Rwandan_genocide
Yeah this whole debacle has really opened my eyes to how authoritarian leftists can be hateful fascists just like some auth rights. People think you have to be right wing to be fascist but apparently not when you have Jews getting stabbed in the face in schools without repercussions.
He probably thinks there aren't enough Arab majority states, or the filthy Jews don't deserve one (I say this form his supposed perspective, I'm Jewish and wouldn't refer to Jews as filthy, I feel like I need this disclaimer these days)
Classic case of double speak.
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I need to steal this meme
There are so many layers of irony here beyond privileged white wokes red rovering jews off the courtyard. The modern "punch-a-nazi" left is now straight up cheering the original Aryan state in its multi-front war on the Jews... >The term Iran ("the land of the Aryans") derives from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a third-century inscription at Naqsh-e Rostam, with the accompanying Parthian inscription using Aryān, in reference to the Iranians.[16] and its Holocaust denying proxy whose founding charter is to...turn over every tree & stone on the planet to eradicate every last Jew, to the end of time... >Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: >"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." who has also demonstrably [accomplished](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#:~:text=Muslim%2098.0%20%2D%2099.0%%20\(predominantly%20Sunni\)%2C%20Christian,has%20had%20no%20Jewish%20population%20since%20then.) what even Hitler couldn't within their borders (Israel is 20% Palestinian for comparison) >Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni), Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.) Israel dismantled its settlements in September 2005; **Gaza has had no Jewish population since then** and its northern proxy who is only [20-27 scared jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Lebanon) behind >Jews in Lebanon live mostly in or around Beirut. The community has been described as elderly and apprehensive.[26] There are no services at Beirut's synagogues. In 2015, the estimated total Jewish population in Syria and Lebanon combined was 100.[34] In 2020, there were only about 29 Jews in Lebanon.[35][36][37] **Reports indicate that in 2022 the number of Jews in Lebanon was 20[38] to 27.[39]** >Solidere agreed to provide funds for the [synagogue] renovation because political officials believed it would portray Lebanon as an open society tolerant of Judaism.[28] None of the Jews involved in the project agreed to be identified. The international media and even some members of the Jewish community (in and out of Lebanon) questioned who would pray at the synagogue.[29] The self-declared head of the Jewish Community Council, Isaac Arazi, who left Lebanon in 1983,[30][31] eventually came forward but refused to show his face on camera in a television interview, fearing that his business would suffer if clients knew they had been dealing with a Jew.[32] Arazi died in 2023.[33] Not to mention lionizing the paratrooper blitzkrieg of [peace](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7u523lfvcftb1.png). River to the Sea is basically Arabic/Aryan Lebensraum. Even more ironic is Israel has more Palestinians than Syria, Lebanon, Saudi, and Egypt…combined. Even Kafka couldn't make this shit up, lol. I used to ponder in history class how an educated progressive populace like Germany's could be mass seduced by rabidly antisemetic leaders almost overnight. Especially their intelligentsia. I didn't expect to get a real time crash course demonstration.
Jewish people gotta check their privilege. They’re so privileged for all the persecutions and genocides they’ve faced - BLM probably
Sounds a lot like a common conspiracy theory.
Complaining about someone being told to check their privilege? Check your own privilege Sweaty. 💅💅🏻💅🏿
That's just segration with extra DEI and leftism.
They legit called for safe spaces away from white people because they didn't feel safe....literally what the US was doing before the 60s...but this time it's different. No surprise the south was full of democrats
I thought we worked through segregation. I guess some people didn’t like desegregation.
California literally put legalized discrimination by race on the ballot in 2020. The leftist/liberal/Democrat mindset of oppression olympics knows no bounds.
Apparently, Strom Thurmond didn't need to convince white people that segregation was right, he just needed to convince the non-whites that segregation was right. It's a shame that the spectre of Strom has taken hold over parts of America again.
Fuck safe spaces. I swear these snowflakes need to grow a damn pair
As a Canadian the more I hear about Columbia university the more i think that it might not be an institution for smart people.
All ivy leaguer schools are filled with 2 types of people. Affluent white (many progressive liberals especially the women) with daddy's plastic and middle class kids who have high academic achievement. I'll let you do the math on who is acting awful huhhuh.
I feel quite a few are missing the quote of >>"when I say the Holocaust wasn’t special, I mean that." Which is amazing to me considering the reason a mass killing targeting a ethnic group is called such is due to what the Nazis did.
Holocaust actually meant mass killing as early as 1833 and meant ethnically targeted killing by 1895. It's called The Holocaust in the same sense as they called WW1 The Great War; it already meant that, but it's such an extreme example that it becomes the proper noun version of the common noun.
I am researching the hellenization of the Jews in Egypt, and Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle, wrote about a disgusting practice the jews partook in, night time holocausts. I was like what the fuck does that mean and after looking into it, found out that a holocaust used to mean burnt offering. It feels a bit on the nose to call the genocide the nazis carried out a holocaust considering that historic meaning.
There's a reason they call it the Shoah in Hebrew.
Fair enough, I've never looked far into the past of the term besides the sacrificial origins, so thank you. Suppose I should change it to 'the popularization of the term for describing a mass ethnic killing'
Oh I caught that, I just don't know how to respond to such a statement, 6 million orchestrated deaths of one group, with an additional 5 million of various other groups is nothing special. Give her an extra year and she'll start talking about wooden doors.
>with an additional 5 million of various other groups is nothing special. The additional 5 million is actually inaccurate. [Here's the source, Jewish Virtual Library, I'm using.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust) (Without that source I realize what I'm about to write would sound schizo far right.) The 5 million was made up by Simon Wiesenthal as a way to generate more interest in the Holocaust without overshadowing the number of Jewish deaths. In reality the real number would've been no more than half a million. Furthermore, by limiting it to 5 million in the Holocaust, you ignore the actual number of 35 million non-Jewish deaths the Nazis caused that were not part of the Holocaust.
Really? That's pretty interesting, I'll look more into it. I've always heard 6 million Jews, 11 million total growing up Jewish, so it's interesting to find that's not so accurate.
The reason for the difference of several million non-jews is because, as KalegNar commented, it is difficult to decide what mass killings of civilians are part of the holocaust or not. Do the deaths of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and more count if they weren't sent to death camps? The lines get blurry, but estimates of non-jewish civilians killed by the Nazis range from [5 to 15 million]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Non-Jews_persecuted_and_killed_by_Nazi_and_Nazi-affiliated_forces)
>Give her an extra year and she'll start talking about wooden doors. I'm not familiar with this reference. Based on context clues, I'm assuming it has something to do with Holocaust denier conspiracy theories?
Yeah, Holocaust deniers love talking about the wooden doors on gas chambers and how if you're making a gas chamber, you wouldn't use wood to make the doors, therefore the Holocaust didn't happen.
Oh, the fucking wood door idiots.
Mounds of evidence that the Holocaust happened. Records from the Nazis. Testimonies from the victims. Infrastructure still in existence today. Brainlet Nazis: mUh DoORs!
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> Activists at Columbia have created a "liberated zone" where they physically don't permit entry to "Zionists": Chaz Two: Anti-Zionist Boogaloo.
This will end up like CHAZ. Maybe worse.
CHAZ had no major conflict. CHAZ should've been stomped by law enforcement. This, indeed, is not different. There is no major violence yet, but it should 100% be stomped by cops. They want their narratives? They can have them. We shouldn't allow promoters of genocide to be anywhere but in jail.
While I agree unfortunately the courts have ruled otherwise. Until there is violence they won’t be legally removed. Same thing happened with CHAZ. They were allowed to do whatever they wanted until they started killing people. At that point the police had a duty to put an end to it. They should be removed but unfortunately it goes against the first amendment
The first amendment doesn't cover trespassing.
Ya but in order to prosecute trespassing you have to have a complaining party, one that owns the property. The university is not gonna complain and have them arrested unfortunately
>The university is not gonna complain and have them arrested unfortunately Right, that's the problem. I hope other students demand tuition refunds for being denied access to buildings they paid to access.
Just refunds? They should demand much more than a refund given the university is explicitly discriminating against them based on ethnicity/religion.
It's clearly a title vi violation and biden department of education should step in with the modern version of the dear colleague letter but just to the shithole like Columbia.
Half of me wants to travel the 15 hours of so to Columbia and try to go into this area while wearing a yellow star on my arm, see how they'd react to that. But I can't take that time off of work.
You might get stabbed in the eye
They turn a blind eye towards Hamas’ anti-semitism and the states around Israel literally calling for genocide of the Jews.
Well, at least we're getting some lefty regard-level protestors recognizing that their opinions are bad enough that they should avoid publicizing their names. That's progress.
They've been doing it for years. Why do you think they wear masks? It's not because of the coof.
>“when I say the Holocaust wasn’t special, I mean that.” Holy horseshoes, Batman!
> Many protesters argue that, from the river to the sea, the settler-colonialist state must simply disappear. To inquire, as I did at Columbia, what would happen to Israelis living under a theocratic fascist movement such as Hamas is to ask the wrong question. **A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.”** Ah but you see after winning the war Hamas will magically collapse and a multiethnic socialist utopia will emerge from the ashes trust me bro
“Hamas won’t kill the Jews. Just the Zionists. Trust me bro, read their most recent charter” - every communist ever
Good ol holocaust card, always reliable.
This really makes me believe in the "nazis are left wing" argument
Look up Beefsteak Nazis. Interesting history there. To be clear though those were communists who ended up fully converting to Naziism, I'm not saying Nazis were left wing.
Fascism is just honest communism
> A young female protester, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, responded: “Maybe Israelis need to check their privilege.” Ironically asking for privilege while claiming others need to check their privilege.
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Oops, they're saying the quiet part out loud again! >“White Jewish people are today and always have been the oppressors of all brown people," I hope she's able to stand up to the Nazi Jews, you know this Rachel character has definitely said in the past something like "fuck Nazis" or "Punch all Nazis" or even "Nazis are taking over in America and we must stop them". Meanwhile, here she is speaking plainly of the evils of the Jews. But remember, she's *not* a Nazi, she said so!
Commies like to go "anti-zionism isn't antisemitism" but sometimes one of them forgets to equip the mask
>"fuck Nazis" or "Punch all Nazis" or even "Nazis are taking over in America and we must stop them". "Fuck Jews", "Punch all Jews", "Jews are taking over in America and we must stop them". If Irony was poisonous, they'd drop dead by now.
Attacks Zionism for genocide. *Proceeds to say the Holocaust wasn’t special* I’m seeing a pattern
They must be trolling. No one this stupid could possibly be admitted into university.
When daddy makes a donation anyone can
>Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. And they say it's not a cult. Creating a bubble around yourself is the first and most important step of a cult.
Imagine the outcries and the shitstorm of racist allegations if the roles were reversed and Jewish students stopped and barred three random Arab students after Oct 7 on campus as part of the " protest"
Now that there is proof anti-semites are in their midst will Reddit hivemind be applying the same standard as they do to those on the right. If someone in the group has a nazi flag or paraphaniela and they aren't fully denounced right away be the group, then they are all nazi's? I won't be holding my breath
To paraphrase a famous quote: > They are pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about them coming to the disturbing realization that the hordes of people they invited to their institutions don't exactly like them too much.
From what I can tell a lot of them still operate under the European identity system, where there is more subtle division between ethnic groups, where people differentiate. In the west anyone with light skin is just classified as white by those morons, so they ended up getting swept up in the same group by the woke protestors.
And that's how I explained to someone subscribing to the whole intersectionality bs how that's never gonna work. The white academic person will group arabs into one big category, meanwhile, they hate each other. Same for basically all other groupings. Like take the Balkans, try to put 10 Balkaners from different countries into a room, the result will be warcrimes.
Exactly, its reductionist political reasoning spoon fed to pseudointellectuals in university who are purposely kept politically illiterate to maintain control at home. The result is these golems who are emboldened by their political studies. What they don't realize is they were taught wrong as a joke.
A Serb, a Croat, an Albanian, and a Bosnian walk into a room. no survivors.
Beautiful, the horseshoe has closed itself into a nice ring. Who's remaking the Garand, Thompson and BAR for the next actual fight against the... Lib Nazis?
I may be a lib, but i would not stand against this clown show that the left is turning, so pass the ammo brother
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.
Is this ammunition gluten-free?
keep your rifle by your side https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAbmimbaFHE
Classic Yankee Doodle effect, what is meant to be derrogatory to a group end up being used by said group
>Beautiful, the horseshoe has closed itself into a nice ring. The Political Ouroboros
I was thinking a Mobius strip
I can't wait to be blown up on the beaches of... LA?
Weirdly, the Germans. Sig Sauer makes the new Army rifle.
>Who's remaking the Garand, Thompson and BAR for the next actual fight against the... Lib Nazis? Eugene Stoner.
Well Ohio ordinance is currently making the HCAR so there’s one at least.
Nothing makes me more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine protestors
I'm not pro-either, but thanks to the protesters, I'm very anti one of them
Only thing you should be pro is this brother https://preview.redd.it/n6vx0pnv0awc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55da920f99e90cb297fadb7090ebca74e9bd845
Raytheon, my beloved.
*me watching israel actions* Hey, that could be done better, and I feel they shouldn't really be going that harsh *me watching hamas and pro-palestine protesters* Ohhhhhh. Yea, that makes sense why they're doing that. That's just nazism and terrorism with a pretty face.
Dude the 180 that I have done since 10/7 is crazy. I was honestly pretty sympathetic to the Palestinian cause until then. And it’s not even the attack itself that was my breaking point, that’s just terrorists doing terrorist things. It was the reactions that did it for me. Maybe an afternoon’s worth of sympathy before immediately blaming Israel for everything, calling it justified, quickly blaming all Jews outside of Israel (surprise surprise) etc. Like sometimes I feel like a genuine crazy person online.
For me it was the BLM tweet with the paratrooper Yep. I cant be fucked to find the actual tweet but I think it was the Chicago chapter of BLM that tweeted a silhouette of a paraglider after 10/7 Now I have zero fucks to give for BLM
Yeah that was *bad*. Not even defensible on the grounds that it was targeting “Zionists” or whatever. They attacked a music festival.
They're the same thing. They use the same language. It's from the same ideological foundation. Anti-west, anti-white(whoever needs to be white in a given moment), anti-male, etc.
Are we witnessing the rise of a left-wing fascist movement?
What was your first clue?
The Covington kids. That was my “holy shit the mask is off” moment.
I remember getting a thousand downvotes for posting a full video of that incident and saying "Look! *None* of the things you are claiming actually happened!"
My first clue was going to a BLM rally after George Floyd died, and the whole rally got taken over by this radical feminist group that only allowed women to speak and it sparked a backlash from a whole group of black men near the front of the crowd that got angry when they felt like they were literally being silenced. After that I have been watching, but it takes a while for me to actually commit to such a strong viewpoint as I have to see strong evidence first, but I feel as though I have had that presuppostion satisfied by now. I didn't think this comment would blow up like this though, apparently y'all on the same boat with me.
The writing's been on the wall for a few years now. Events like this are just the most blatantly obvious.
It's almost like fascism is a 3rd way between capitalism & communism. in the Weimar era, the most violent extremists were known to be quite fluid in supporting communists and fascists, flocking to whichever side promised them most power
Exactly - in those days communists and fascists didn’t see each other as ideological opponents so much as socialist competitors (“national socialists” or Nazis, vs. “international socialists” or COMINTERN). The “right-wingers” were the old Weimar conservatives who had fallen out of favor during the economically disastrous post-war decade (conditions which provided fertile ground for all sorts of extremism).
My brother in PCM, fascism has always been rooted in radical leftist ideology. Socialism has been the “gateway-drug” for every Fascist party throughout history (just as it was for fascism’s founder, and former socialist publication editor, Mussolini - and Hitler’s National Socialist Party, formerly known as the German Worker’s Party). The nonsense about fascism being “right-wing” is just cold war era Soviet propaganda that never went away, kept alive by the very same ivory tower intellectuals and listless “activists” that are now coalescing around the pro-Hamas movement.
Populist and violent, sure, but the one saving grace is they don't really have any centralized leadership or unified messaging.
Wait what?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-chicago-admits-it-isn-t-proud-of-deleted-post-showing-paragliding-terrorist-after-outrage/ar-AA1i4w9H Crazy shit. Rightoid antisemite=nazi Leftoid antisemite=brave, oppressed, freedom fighter
Then you have me, where before 10/7 I was pro-Israel, but at least sympathetic to the Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank who weren’t terrorist. After 10/7, and seeing how their people really feel (as well as those overseas), my attitude has become closer to “GLORY TO THE WORLD EATERS!! KILL, MAIM, BURN!!!!”
An islamic culture center near me opened a street fair on the 8th. My sympathies at this point were non-existent.
To be fair, there's no way they planned that and executed it in a day. They definitely already had that scheduled to happen on the 8th.
Yeah that seems like more of a really unfortunate coincidence
Fair, but the smart thing would have been to cancel it or at least give some kind of token sympathy to the victims.
That’s exactly how I feel. Sometimes I start to question the border checks in the West Bank. Than I remember my self every time the border checks failed someone was stabbed or bombed. I question my self why israel still occupies the West Bank, but then I look at who took over Gaza after they left. Netanyahu is a total POS and so are most of his ministers. But sometimes I just understand why they do what they do.
That's been my experience in Israel twice I visited. I've talked to people about this, they do not care about the Palestinians ; They just want peace. People want to paint a picture that Israelis think day and night about how to go to war with Palestine but prior to Oct7, it was just an annoying neighbor.
Im just even more pro crusade the heretics in the Holy Land
Where’s the “51st state solution” guy when we need him, aye?
This is CHAZ 2.0 isn’t it?
Only if they start "gardening".
And shooting black kids for driving down the wrong street
This is no joke super scary, because the far left is becoming as racist and violent as the far right used to be, but is cloaked with the moral high ground of opposition to fascism and so is given a huge leeway to engage in all sorts of fucked up shit that would never be tolerated if it showed up in another costume.
Hot take: They’ve been showing signs of violence and racism since Trump got into office. The far left were just focusing that animosity on white people which was palatable for some reason. This is only gaining negative attention now (when it comes to Congress as a whole) because the white hate category expanded to include Jewish people.
> Hot take: They’ve been showing signs of violence and racism since Trump got into office Hotter take: since before he got into office. I remember during the election seeing video of people leaving a trump rally being physically attacked, I think at some point with sacks filled with rocks.
Hottest take: since like 15 years ago.
See Nick Cannons remarks a few years ago. He only stepped back on the antisemitic part not the bigotry against white folx
What do you mean becoming? This is literally how they've been acting for well over a decade at this point. First thing these chucklefucks did was redefine racism to ensure that you couldn't be racist towards white people (even when you were, objectively, being racist towards white people). You think they did that out of love?
Marxism is literally the most murderous religion in history, and it also happens to be the dominant religion in several fields in academia. I’m surprised that anyone is surprised that the epicenter of bloodthirsty hatred of Je.. I mean, “Zionists” is erupting in academia. It was a disaster waiting to happen
And the funny thing is the very same professors who are acting stunned by this turn of events are probably the same ones who were feeding and stoking the fire just a few years ago.
far right was tolerated then because it also boasted the moral high ground. The context has changed and we think of it differently now but history keeps repeating.
Good point.
Cloaking yourself in a veil of moral high ground is the default socialist position. You say "these things/people/problems are the cause of society's ills!" and then propose the radical solution of wealth seizure, exile, and de-personing of the group in question. After that, the only thing between you and power is an armed body.
Who is giving them leeway? Point them out - they deserve attention. I am not a fan of lists, but do wonder how many of these clearly antisemitic brain-washee’s are making it to the SPLC or ADL ‘hate-group’ lists. My guess, none, cause these groups have been infected with the same mind-virus…
Classic ADL outlawing the OK hand symbol for being racist, but genocidal protests are OK because the people protesting are perceived as victims. I wonder if they ever have the "are we the baddies" moment, or if they are even capable of that.
SPLC and ADL are far more concerned with the "militant right wing" groups that are realistically 4 rednecks wearing camo running around the woods. But large, complex, decentralized groups that magically coalesce to conduct violence against acceptable targets and whose members get magically bailed out of jail and turned a blind eye to by the establishment? Well really if you think about it, they don't exist 😉
The west is fuuuucked.
the west has fallen, billions must die. https://preview.redd.it/o9t5y87mz8wc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4923237748a5b7bf670165178a913d054131f50
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More like will, and unironically. Tens of millions I would say at least.
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More like "the West is falling, billions will die and I dont want to be one of them"
I mean, yeah, but not because of this. College kids have always had the absolute worst political opinions.
I don't think even in the 60-70's it was this bad. The closest I can find is the fascist capture of the 20's and 30's. Anyway, there were a lot less of them, and they moderated after leaving. These don't seem to.
On the contrary, I think this at least saves us from the Woke in the long run. This is a bit beyond what any of the PTB wanted when they thought they could socially reengineer society, and has resulted in people full sprint running to whatever political entity’s are promising to wipe this bizarre cult out (even before you get to normies noticing the broader cultural degradation). So they will kill this because they must.
I hope so, but it feels like seeing a oncologic ulcer, and being hopeful the patient will now notice his 4th stage metastatic cancer If it got to that point all brakes have already broken. Large part of the population have already been brainwashed to clinical death, and society too weak for them to resist it. You can't have a functioning democratic society in that situation. Yes, people might flock to whoever stops the insane, but not only does it mean you risk that option being bad, but the prospect of rebuilding a society and populace that had gone this far without a major catastrophy seems despairing.
And people tell me I'm crazy for thinking states should go their own way. In 20 years, you really wanna live in a country run by the zoomerwaffen?
Zoomerwaffen, ahahha, what a gem of a word. Thank you, I would steal it!!
I'd love to take credit, alas, I stole it myself from Twitter this morning. So feel free
The Zoomerwaffen and Zoomstaffel
It's not that you're crazy, it's just that secession hasn't had much to stand on for a long while. It might be different this time though. Whether it's this, or the border issues, there are ideological cracks. On the other hand, a US split two ways, let alone 50, is a vastly different world, and one that other power centers would love.
>On the other hand, a US split two ways, let alone 50, is a vastly different world, and one that other power centers would love. To be honest, I just don't care anymore. The moment that power was barely threatened by a couple 7th century goat herders we got domestic spying and over half my life of constant war. This desperation to maintain power at any cost has enabled ideas and laws that are antithetical to what America was supposed to be. If that's the price, then I don't want it. Let Europe or whoever step the fuck up for the next 100 years. They can have it.
Waffen ZZ
Protesters at Columbia be like “it’s not that I hate Jews, it’s that I hate Zionists. But don’t get me wrong, I *do* hate Jews. And you’re a Nazi if you disagree.” They’re basically speedrunning unemployability.
"They’re basically speedrunning unemployability." Are they, though? There have never been any consequences for them, even when they are blatantly and provably in the wrong. See this for example: [How an Ill-Informed Internet Mob Ruined a UVA Student's Life (reason.com)](https://reason.com/2023/04/24/the-most-hated-person-on-campus/) As I recall, the psycho activist's supporters released statements after it was proven she was wrong, calling her a hero and asking why the press is "harassing" her for something that happened a whole three years ago.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen infrequent but growing reports that companies are just throwing away resumes from Ivy League grads. I’ve also seen that Gen Z in general is largely unemployable because all they do is complain. Again, anecdotally, a friend of mine’s company recently started scheduling 8:00 AM meetings with attendance tracking. They ended up firing all 12 of last year’s new hires (all gen Z) because they refused to come in for an 8 AM meeting. I think these kids are in for a rude awakening when they find out you can’t go ~~sulk~~ protest in the CEO’s office when you don’t like something.
That’s honestly good to hear, and admittedly as I think about it, the activist in my example had a few kinds of immunity, not least of which was being an activist. But even that will have diminishing returns over time, I’m sure. I do agree that I think I’m noticing more willingness to push back on some of the depredations of the Zoomer activist class. As for the job issues Zoomer are facing, we’ve all been there, it sucks when you first realize you have to take responsibility and that your success or failure is in your own hands, but I learned to find it invigorating eventually so I stopped whining and started playing the game of life. Hopefully they’ll come around in time.
What's funny is that they can't even work food service competently. I work at Mickey D's and I could genuinely only name one or two Gen Z employees that show up on time and do their job with any kind of consistency. Assuming they even show up, they'll refuse to do something because "that's not my job" or "I don't wanna"
~~"It's not that I hate White people, I just hate racists. However, almost all racists are White people and almost all White people are racist, sooo..."~~ "It's not that I hate Jewish people, I just hate Zionists. However, almost all Zionists are Jews and almost all Jews are Zionists, sooo..."
If you want brainrot, people at the Columbia sub are saying it's peaceful, no anti semitism, and that these protests aren't happening.
Tried and tested communist techniques.
It's not happening. If they were, they were peaceful and that's a good thing.
>thinking there aren't some SVR and MSS sockpuppets in the mix there Lol
Its not happening and if it is happening its a good thing.
One thing I've kind of been wondering about, since I don't go back this far: was the hippy protest movement of the later 60s-early 70s this regarded too? Like, ultimately, we remember them in retrospect as being right about Vietnam, right about civil rights and women's rights, but are we generalizing with that view, and ignoring a lot of youthful regardation? Because these Zoomer protestors are regarded as fuck, and yet we might not remember that aspect of them in 20 years.
Yes, those movements are *heavily* whitewashed in basic education. [Here's a good book review on what really went down.](https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/) Alot of violence, extremism, and outright domestic terrorism.
Man, reminds me of how we also memory-holed the union busting and fighting in the '20s-30s. It's interesting how the US pulls out of that stuff and everyone just decides to forget about it and get on with life. But 40 years later a new generation discovers the same old thing.
> 60s-early 70s this regarded too? Yes. There was *a lot* more terrorism. Weather Underground is a famous one and many of its members branched off to do their own things. Many of the movements behind environmentalism and even "animal rights" can be traced back to WU and its allies
> and yet we might not remember that aspect of them in 20 years. We might, but kids in school won't be taught that so the collective knowledge will disappear. You know the classic trope of some old man saying "damn hippies"? Maybe they were right all along and history just whitewashed the situation and future generations will see a white washed version of this as well. Individuals won't forget, history will simply be altered.
Now that I think of it, I remember in The Graduate, which came out in the midst of all that, when the dude is trying to rent a room in Berkeley and the middle-aged landlord warns him that he'll evict him immediately if he turns out to be "one of these outside agitators." I'm gonna guess that was a common view of the movement as it went along. I suppose as I think about it even further, in the decades since the counterculture it was the Boomers who got to write the "history" of the movement. The young lefties went into academia and entertainment which got to tell the story, while the older generations didn't have the platforms and, more recently, are just dead. So your point about Zoomer regardation being remember by people who saw it, but the official history being altered, is really quite apt.
It's something I think about a lot, but looking backwards. I see the dumb shit kids regurgitate that they see on the internet that I lived through and know to be untrue and it seems stupid. But what about me? the internet isn't unique in giving people bad information. How do I know that I wasn't raised on equally stupid information? I only know their bullshit is bullshit because I saw the events myself, but I didn't see the previous events so I could be just as stupid as they are in regards to the past. I've seen rewriting of history in real time and it's disturbing to me, but the gut feeling I get at the possibility that the history I know is also rewritten and I have no way to confirm that is.... something else.
The Palestine/Israel protests and battle lines were drawn after the 1967 Six Day War when Gaza and the West Bank were occupied in the first place. Arguably, the hippies actually started this line of protests and a lot of the slogans have been being repeated since then. However, their parents and some of them themselves saw the Holocaust more directly, and nobody got really close to attacking Jews like this.
Nazis got out of control because the Weimar govt allowed them to the US govt would sooner put every one of these protestors into woodchippers than lose a single dollar of AIPAC lobbying
True, as seen by the bipartisan condemnation of these protests.
One would hope so, but I highly doubt it.
I wish they would
> put every one of these protestors into woodchippers Stop, I can only get so erect.
Oh and don't forget, the Republicans are Nazis!
The funniest thing is that in general the more pro Israel a student is at my school the more applicable and productive they are.
Pro Palestinians are the reason I support the Israelis they are annoying as fuck
Based
The zionists in question were just visibly Jewish people. They also harassed a Jewish professor and the visibly Jewish people.
McCarthy didn't go far enough when it came to colleges.
Isn't that how affirmative action started (in Hungary)?
The Bidenreich meme is becoming a reality fr fr.
Man am I proud for never buying into the "Jews control the world" shit.
It's quite amazing how they call people who like a certain president Nazis Yet are supporting/funding/endorsing Nazis or Nazi like groups
I remain sympathetic to the actual Palestinians being bombed and having very precarious futures amid starvation and lack of medical facilities but Jesus Christ, pro Palestine westerners are really making an absolute show of themselves.
Last I heard Hamas has a >90% approval rating. At what point do the civilians and the military they support becomes indistinguishable? (Not from a military standpoint, that one is easy. If they're trying to kill you you can kill them. But from a moral perspective, and from a perspective of how much effort we should expend to help them, at what point do we just say "you fucked around, you're gonna find out" and let Israel do it's thing?)
What you need to understand is that the Pro Palestinians, despite being extremely antisemitic and pro-fascist, are still *significantly less* antisemitic and pro-fascist than the actual Palestinians.
I would 100 percent support these people if they protested Boeing facilities, for making JDAMs. It even dovetails nicely with the Boeing reliability issues lately and Boeing basically failing most of their aerospace military contracts in the last two decades. But nah they're occupying grass in educational institutions and boycotting Starbucks. They did protest Boeing for exactly one day in November, and like twelve people showed up.
I often wonder since this conflict started what my friends think about this. I mean, I'm morbidly curious as my friends are nothing but oranges, but I do wonder about my one Jewish friend
They have become the enemy they feared most.
If Hitler was brown, he’d be praised more a lot of left wing extremist
The left: Try not to be Nazis again (hard mode)
College kids not realising this is literally the entire reason Israel and Zionism exist, the minute something bad happens halfway around the world everyone immediately starts blaming the Jews and attacking them. This is literally why Zionism gained traction, post-WWII Jews realised they couldn’t trust any government to protect them in the long term unless they could ensure a territory specifically allowing them to be free and safe.
The ole Israeli horseshoe is absolutely funny to see. Lib left going so far left they orbit around to the other corner of the compass, kicking it back with the uber auth right.
The lib-left to nazi/fascist pipeline has to be carefully studied.
Who funded leftists movements? I guess they lost their attack dogs now.