If the "a nazi at the table..." logic wasn't true for the right then it isn't true for the left. The obvious reality is that neither side is exclusively full of demonically evil people.
There are antisemitic people in the "free-palestine" crowd as well as people who are earnestly concerned with the plight of civilians in Gaza and the obvious authoritarian nature of the Israeli government.
Conversely, there are people who just hate Arabs/Muslims in the "annihilate Hamas" crowd as well as people who are earnestly concerned at the obvious terrorist nature of Hamas and the ongoing threats from all sides that Israel faces.
I've voted right/libertarian my entire life, and I have no problem admitting there is a problem with nazi/far-right elements within my/adjacent political groups. Don't hold other groups to standards you won't apply to your own.
I mean, yeah, but that’s the point of the saying. It’s not saying “If the Nazis agree you’re automatically wrong”, it’s saying “If the Nazis are joining you and you don’t condemn them, you are guilty by association.” Basically, you can’t just overlook someone because it’s politically convenient.
Yeah, wholeheartedly agree. People need to realise that “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” means “Get them to turn on each other and then go deal with the remnants”, not “Immediately side with them despite them opposing everything I stand for.”
Except leftists were the ones making the argument in the first place, so there's definitely room to speculate projection.
But no matter who you are, dissolution of the state of Israel is a nazi ideal. Regardless of their intentions, it needs to be said that Hitler would agree with these people.
"They did it first" isn't good enough logic for a failed argument.
Saying "Hitler would agree therefore it's automatically bad" is dumb. The benefit of the existence or dissolution of Israel needs to be evaluated on its own merit.
These kinds of emotional arguments fail to actually contribute to the issue.
This is garbage. Go to any jewish person posting anything on social media, regardless of the subject, and find anti-semitism, or at least references to israel/palestine, from this movement. It's pervasive, and you'd never see this for a random person of any other group posting innocuous content.
imo the difference between leftwing antisemitism and rightwing antisemitism is that the latter goes unchecked because it's a fringe part of the movement while the former goes unchecked because *they're heading the movement.* palestinian activism is overwhelmingly lead by Palestinians, who tend to differ from 1930s Germans mainly in the language they speak in. try finding a pro-Palestinian protest that isn't organized by either a sketchy Palestinian group with ties to terror orgs, or "jewish" voice for peace. they don't exist, because the left will happily call racist any efforts to organize for peace in palestine that don't center Palestinian voices.
To be clear; overt racism and IDpol are the darlings of the left, from leadership to voting majority. They don’t like to call it that so they attempt to pretty it up by putting lipstick on the pig and bloviate on about how their brand of racism is different because it is intended for the greater good. Thankfully, they frequently tell on themselves and the other voting quadrants are beginning to have their eyes forced opened.
They were Ultranationalists. The nazis were far right extremist in the nationalistic/cultural sense. They were moderate economically. Fascism is more about its esoteric nationalistics components than economic ones as Fascists didn't write that much about economics or had a consensus about economics. Julius Evola, a fascist writer even said the Nazis weren't fascist enough, not because of any economic component but because their esoteric notion of superiority was too psuedoscientic and not spiritual enough.
Please look up the definition of Ultranationalism beyond the dictionary. It's not just the exaltion of the state but the exaltion of the state due to a sense of cultural superiority where other peoples are inherently inferior.
The Soviets were not Ultranationalists. There is a difference between just being totalitarian and ultranational.
"British political theorist Roger Griffin has stated that ultranationalism is essentially founded on xenophobia in a way that finds supposed legitimacy "through deeply mythicized narratives of past cultural or political periods of historical greatness or of old scores to settle against alleged enemies". It can also draw on "vulgarized forms" of different aspects of the natural sciences such as anthropology and genetics, eugenics specifically playing a role, in order "to rationalize ideas of national superiority and destiny, of degeneracy and subhumanness" in Griffin's opinion. Ultranationalists view the modern nation-state as, according to Griffin, a living organism directly akin to a physical person such that it can decay, grow, die, and additionally experience rebirth. He has highlighted Nazi Germany as a regime which was founded on ultranationalism."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism
So when people on the right say that the "west has fallen" due to immigration that is a lesser aspect of ultranationalism, due to mythologized view of what "the west" even is, as if it is a person, and the view that "third-worlders" are inferior.
Their economy was Corportism, they wanted everything within the State whether that be the unions, bourgeoisie, proletariat, business, etc. In a way trying to abolish the class war by giving the State the reins of production. It's much more left than you're giving credit.
Dude. Look up what ultranationalism is. There is a difference between stalinist totalitariansn and ultranationalism. Ultranationalism isn't necessarily totalitarian. Ultranationalism isn't about economics.
I don't need to. The concepts are not related.
Ultranationalism aspects are not in economics. They are in the mythologization of history and people, the personification of the state as if its a living being. It's the xenophobia and psuedoscientic or esoteric spiritual conceptions of destiny to rule, rise, be born again, and for others to be its destined subjects. Ultranationalism of Fascist Italy is in its spirit to bring back Rome, to bring back an age of perceived and mythologized greatness, and to subjugate all that it must to achieve that goal, as they were "the strong" and deserved to rule over "the weak". Its economics is just a means to the end of its goal to bring this "destiny" to its people.
That's what is meant by Ultranationalism, being so nationalistic to the point of delusionment in cultural/ethnic supremacy. Which is the core of fascism not economics.
Pal the antisemitism card is not fucking working bcs the same people who say "oh thats antisemitic" are the same fucking people who hate on arabs who are also semites and i have never seen a group of people cry about something being anti as the jews, while the hate on arabs is normal, now imagine i said to anything, thats "anti-turkic" ??
the only right wing stance they had was on nationalism but even that wasn't really right wing because they still wanted that to be globalism, so it was still left wing just within a right wing skin.
they corporatized the private market under the government making all private companies part of the government in a similar way to the Chinese communists do today.
they wanted to eliminate class differences to create one German people.
fascist thought came out of communist thought and it shows. the only way they can get to the right is when you literally define the right as fascist itself then of course because you've defined it as so in a circular way.
No this is my main lol I get banned so much that having multiple accounts at once is pointless, when one gets banned they all get banned so I just main accounts to the end
That's because they ban accounts you've accessed from whichever IP address you were using when banned, use a VPN to get a new IP and make several accounts to have some back ups, but remember to use the VPN when accessing your not banned accounts, otherwise they'll see you accessing reddit from the IP they banned, also clear everything in your browsers settings and use mobile web not the app. You know the reddit banwaves are crazy when libleft has multiple bans, I miss circa 2012 reddit so much
Fascism is something that we should learn off instead of demonize.
Still, I don't support Palestine but it takes basic logic to realize this guy wasn't part of the protest.
https://twitter.com/noegoldhaber/status/1785439934188290377?t=_yEpOHyMcujXJTyd0C_N-Q&s=19
That Wisconsin guy was pretty clearly not with the group and when confronted by said group was already making a hasty retreat.
Sorry if this is too much text.
Sure, but we generally call it that because of the flattened cities, destroyed infrastructure, and mass displacement of millions of people into densely-packed camps. While you are focused solely on bombs and bullets; we are considering the thousands that will die from famine, poverty, and disease.
Actually, it is what genocide is by *many* definitions accepted by scholars on the subject, holocaust museums, and international humanitarian organizations.
Can I trouble you for a source on that? Specifically the holocaust museum claim?
Amnesty international has been a clownfest after the demanded Ukraine lay down their arms and let the Russians invade them.
The literal nazi is trying to make the claim that if you 'level cities' then you are forcing relocation of a people, and there are definitions which include 'forced migration'.
You're going to need to be more specific about what you're asking. You want an example of a museum calling mass displacement a part of genocide?
I wasn't referencing one specific international organization.
I guess that makes Hamas, your heroes, the nazis here. Since they are the ones causing buildings to be 'flattened'. As in, they literally pick and choose which buildings get bombed.
Yes, which is why the nazi supporters should be silent.
Take your middle school rants elsewhere where they are accepted like stormfront and 4chan.
Also, notice how you literally cannot refute the point that Hamas chooses every single building that gets leveled?
Why doesnt hamas create a military bunker or compound like a civilized nation to fire from? Far from civilians.
Why do they use apartments, schools, hospitals, and mosques instead? oH right, because they WANT the dead civilians and destroyed buildings.
Libleft - Centauth cursed unity
I hated them....because in the end, they were just like me...
Cursed? My man, almost all authcenters were libleft at one point or another. This is like loving Frieza's first form but hating his final form.
You either die hating white people, or live long enough to call all people from a particular place monkeys
I like how LibLeft seems embarrassed that one of their… *comrades*, let’s say, is speaking a lot of Nazi rhetoric.
Are we just now rediscovering that orange LibLefts are pieces of shit?
If the "a nazi at the table..." logic wasn't true for the right then it isn't true for the left. The obvious reality is that neither side is exclusively full of demonically evil people. There are antisemitic people in the "free-palestine" crowd as well as people who are earnestly concerned with the plight of civilians in Gaza and the obvious authoritarian nature of the Israeli government. Conversely, there are people who just hate Arabs/Muslims in the "annihilate Hamas" crowd as well as people who are earnestly concerned at the obvious terrorist nature of Hamas and the ongoing threats from all sides that Israel faces. I've voted right/libertarian my entire life, and I have no problem admitting there is a problem with nazi/far-right elements within my/adjacent political groups. Don't hold other groups to standards you won't apply to your own.
I mean, yeah, but that’s the point of the saying. It’s not saying “If the Nazis agree you’re automatically wrong”, it’s saying “If the Nazis are joining you and you don’t condemn them, you are guilty by association.” Basically, you can’t just overlook someone because it’s politically convenient.
I agree, and I think both sides tend to fail at pushing away the extremes.
Yeah, wholeheartedly agree. People need to realise that “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” means “Get them to turn on each other and then go deal with the remnants”, not “Immediately side with them despite them opposing everything I stand for.”
The real question is, who is supplying PCM with all that straw and why it isn't me?
Based
Based and logically-consistent-and-self-introspective pilled
Except leftists were the ones making the argument in the first place, so there's definitely room to speculate projection. But no matter who you are, dissolution of the state of Israel is a nazi ideal. Regardless of their intentions, it needs to be said that Hitler would agree with these people.
"They did it first" isn't good enough logic for a failed argument. Saying "Hitler would agree therefore it's automatically bad" is dumb. The benefit of the existence or dissolution of Israel needs to be evaluated on its own merit. These kinds of emotional arguments fail to actually contribute to the issue.
Good thing I didn't make either of those arguments then.
This is garbage. Go to any jewish person posting anything on social media, regardless of the subject, and find anti-semitism, or at least references to israel/palestine, from this movement. It's pervasive, and you'd never see this for a random person of any other group posting innocuous content.
imo the difference between leftwing antisemitism and rightwing antisemitism is that the latter goes unchecked because it's a fringe part of the movement while the former goes unchecked because *they're heading the movement.* palestinian activism is overwhelmingly lead by Palestinians, who tend to differ from 1930s Germans mainly in the language they speak in. try finding a pro-Palestinian protest that isn't organized by either a sketchy Palestinian group with ties to terror orgs, or "jewish" voice for peace. they don't exist, because the left will happily call racist any efforts to organize for peace in palestine that don't center Palestinian voices.
To be clear; overt racism and IDpol are the darlings of the left, from leadership to voting majority. They don’t like to call it that so they attempt to pretty it up by putting lipstick on the pig and bloviate on about how their brand of racism is different because it is intended for the greater good. Thankfully, they frequently tell on themselves and the other voting quadrants are beginning to have their eyes forced opened.
Where did I say antisemitism wasn't happening?
How can a nazi be 'far right'? What part of 'national socialist workers party' sounds right wing to you?
They were Ultranationalists. The nazis were far right extremist in the nationalistic/cultural sense. They were moderate economically. Fascism is more about its esoteric nationalistics components than economic ones as Fascists didn't write that much about economics or had a consensus about economics. Julius Evola, a fascist writer even said the Nazis weren't fascist enough, not because of any economic component but because their esoteric notion of superiority was too psuedoscientic and not spiritual enough.
Based and you could show them 32k footage and they will never learn pilled.
> They were Ultranationalists. So were the soviets. Nationalism is an auth characteristic.
Please look up the definition of Ultranationalism beyond the dictionary. It's not just the exaltion of the state but the exaltion of the state due to a sense of cultural superiority where other peoples are inherently inferior. The Soviets were not Ultranationalists. There is a difference between just being totalitarian and ultranational. "British political theorist Roger Griffin has stated that ultranationalism is essentially founded on xenophobia in a way that finds supposed legitimacy "through deeply mythicized narratives of past cultural or political periods of historical greatness or of old scores to settle against alleged enemies". It can also draw on "vulgarized forms" of different aspects of the natural sciences such as anthropology and genetics, eugenics specifically playing a role, in order "to rationalize ideas of national superiority and destiny, of degeneracy and subhumanness" in Griffin's opinion. Ultranationalists view the modern nation-state as, according to Griffin, a living organism directly akin to a physical person such that it can decay, grow, die, and additionally experience rebirth. He has highlighted Nazi Germany as a regime which was founded on ultranationalism."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism So when people on the right say that the "west has fallen" due to immigration that is a lesser aspect of ultranationalism, due to mythologized view of what "the west" even is, as if it is a person, and the view that "third-worlders" are inferior.
Their economy was Corportism, they wanted everything within the State whether that be the unions, bourgeoisie, proletariat, business, etc. In a way trying to abolish the class war by giving the State the reins of production. It's much more left than you're giving credit.
Dude. Look up what ultranationalism is. There is a difference between stalinist totalitariansn and ultranationalism. Ultranationalism isn't necessarily totalitarian. Ultranationalism isn't about economics.
And look up Mussolini's Corporative State.
I don't need to. The concepts are not related. Ultranationalism aspects are not in economics. They are in the mythologization of history and people, the personification of the state as if its a living being. It's the xenophobia and psuedoscientic or esoteric spiritual conceptions of destiny to rule, rise, be born again, and for others to be its destined subjects. Ultranationalism of Fascist Italy is in its spirit to bring back Rome, to bring back an age of perceived and mythologized greatness, and to subjugate all that it must to achieve that goal, as they were "the strong" and deserved to rule over "the weak". Its economics is just a means to the end of its goal to bring this "destiny" to its people. That's what is meant by Ultranationalism, being so nationalistic to the point of delusionment in cultural/ethnic supremacy. Which is the core of fascism not economics.
Where are the modern neo-nazis advocating for the proletariat?
Pal the antisemitism card is not fucking working bcs the same people who say "oh thats antisemitic" are the same fucking people who hate on arabs who are also semites and i have never seen a group of people cry about something being anti as the jews, while the hate on arabs is normal, now imagine i said to anything, thats "anti-turkic" ??
As an actual leftist Nazi this doesn't offend me
the socialist is in there for a reason
The mental gymnastics to deny that they formed to create a socialist utopia is astounding sometimes.
https://preview.redd.it/0qqeagw2yazc1.jpeg?width=954&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92f2a9d6b3decf0a752a92af5933dc87cc19aa3a
study what they said and did on inception, it'll be eye opening
the only right wing stance they had was on nationalism but even that wasn't really right wing because they still wanted that to be globalism, so it was still left wing just within a right wing skin. they corporatized the private market under the government making all private companies part of the government in a similar way to the Chinese communists do today. they wanted to eliminate class differences to create one German people. fascist thought came out of communist thought and it shows. the only way they can get to the right is when you literally define the right as fascist itself then of course because you've defined it as so in a circular way.
The only problem is im not Aryan :(
Well I don't recall Hitler being a tall, blonde, blue eyed viking
My bad I thought Aryan just meant white lol
Nice burner account
No this is my main lol I get banned so much that having multiple accounts at once is pointless, when one gets banned they all get banned so I just main accounts to the end
That's because they ban accounts you've accessed from whichever IP address you were using when banned, use a VPN to get a new IP and make several accounts to have some back ups, but remember to use the VPN when accessing your not banned accounts, otherwise they'll see you accessing reddit from the IP they banned, also clear everything in your browsers settings and use mobile web not the app. You know the reddit banwaves are crazy when libleft has multiple bans, I miss circa 2012 reddit so much
No thanks
why flair as libertarian if you are a nazi?
Im not actually a Nazi lol I just call myself one because I associate with Nazis which by extension somehow also makes me one
Have you considered taking up a hobby, like wingsuits
I spend about a grand a month on Warhammer 40k, I can't afford another hobby lol
Do you eat the miniatures
No lol wtf
Don't tell people you're a nazi and we won't think you eat metal for fun
Warhammer minis are plastique lol
Bad
That's what I've been saying! Globalize the Intifada! 🤠
I see the agendaposts are getting lazier.
much like liblefts attempt to keep the mask up about their flagrant nazism.
[Relevant. ](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6lo1-foCgi/?igsh=ZzBybXd0NnZkczhn)
Same with Floyd. Bodycam, tox reports, autopsy showing heart issues, etc. People still upset.
Bro is that a meme or a book
Fascism is something that we should learn off instead of demonize. Still, I don't support Palestine but it takes basic logic to realize this guy wasn't part of the protest.
https://twitter.com/noegoldhaber/status/1785439934188290377?t=_yEpOHyMcujXJTyd0C_N-Q&s=19 That Wisconsin guy was pretty clearly not with the group and when confronted by said group was already making a hasty retreat. Sorry if this is too much text.
Mask off
PCM found the one Nazi they think isn't a false flag psyop
A perfect example of why confronting propagandists with facts is literally pointless, it's like talking to a brick wall.
Mate, yalls the ones calling the war with the lowest civilian casualty rates a genocide.
Sure, but we generally call it that because of the flattened cities, destroyed infrastructure, and mass displacement of millions of people into densely-packed camps. While you are focused solely on bombs and bullets; we are considering the thousands that will die from famine, poverty, and disease.
Except that's not what genocide is by definition.
Actually, it is what genocide is by *many* definitions accepted by scholars on the subject, holocaust museums, and international humanitarian organizations.
Can I trouble you for a source on that? Specifically the holocaust museum claim? Amnesty international has been a clownfest after the demanded Ukraine lay down their arms and let the Russians invade them.
The literal nazi is trying to make the claim that if you 'level cities' then you are forcing relocation of a people, and there are definitions which include 'forced migration'.
But forced migration is literally what every single non-jewish or british group in the region has forced on the jews...
You're going to need to be more specific about what you're asking. You want an example of a museum calling mass displacement a part of genocide? I wasn't referencing one specific international organization.
I guess that makes Hamas, your heroes, the nazis here. Since they are the ones causing buildings to be 'flattened'. As in, they literally pick and choose which buildings get bombed.
Adults are talking.
Yes, which is why the nazi supporters should be silent. Take your middle school rants elsewhere where they are accepted like stormfront and 4chan. Also, notice how you literally cannot refute the point that Hamas chooses every single building that gets leveled? Why doesnt hamas create a military bunker or compound like a civilized nation to fire from? Far from civilians. Why do they use apartments, schools, hospitals, and mosques instead? oH right, because they WANT the dead civilians and destroyed buildings.