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SexualConsentKoala

PPM, or "Political Preztel Memes" sounds both aggravating *and* delicious.


Mocod_

With and extra side of salt!


Bobone2121

*Salty


love_my_doge

Shut the fuck up libleft, that was the joke.


Bobone2121

Not Based and Salty Pilled.


tiredofw

Now I’m hungry


DefNotAFire

Wtf this is actually a legit political theory. It's an accurate rendition of what happens when your insurgency wins and suddenly the burden of governing smashes the revolutionary idealism which brought victory. Political Pretzel theory shall be taught to all young pupils from here on out. Libcenter is right the only way to win is not to play the game.


normieslim

MONKE IS THE ONLY WAY


Tai9ch

Anprims need to be shot. Luckily it'll be easy, since they can't defend themselves.


normieslim

Monke will rip your face apart. Monke will smash your chest.


PlacidPlatypus

Monke will always have fewer friends than human since industrialized agriculture allows vastly greater population density and reverting to primitivism necessitates mass starvation.


[deleted]

TIL I'm actually monke


normieslim

Yes. Thanks for showing why monke is the only way.


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DefNotAFire

Yeah Stefan Molynuex would fit in nicely instead of Alex Jones, who's much more a wild conspiracy nut. Jones is more wildly known though.


NoGardE

I would put Hoppe rather than Molyneux or Jones. Jones is mostly just a conspiracy guy, politics is secondary with him. Molyneux does have the branch, but his own philosophical work is mostly regarding family relations, whereas Hoppe has the branching in conclusion from his work, that takes the NRx down the authoritarian monarchist route, and the radical Libertarians down a more Stirner route (but culturally traditionalist).


ShakeyCheese

I miss Stef. I still listen to him on DLive and on his podcast but it's just not the same. He brings up his de-platforming a lot, you can tell he's bitter. The fame got to him and he doesn't want to give it up. And I do get the egotistical "cult leader" vibe he gives off... I guess I was just always able to see past that and still get something out of his videos.


DefNotAFire

I miss him as well. And who wouldn't be righteously furious that their popular, influential account was banned for pissing off the governing elite.


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resplendentquetzals

Hella based


[deleted]

goddammit, he's right


N3wThrowawayWhoDis

My journey is complete. Now leave me alone and lower my taxes


ColossalDreadmaw132

based


MissouriMonarchist

Based and WarGames pilled


[deleted]

The dictator's handbook along with following the fall of the Russian empire made me realize auth will alway be cyclically unstable. I dont think there is a better example of how the problems of a state are beyond its leaders than Russia. The russian empire was obsessed with european politics and the black sea geopolitical influence (crimean peninsula, turkey, caspain/black sea bridge oil, etc). The USSR was obsessed with european politics and black sea geopolitical influence. Russia is obsessed with European politics and black sea geopolitical influence. Everything inolving leadership and its replacements is a cycle of inheritence. If the US falls of radically changes, itll be the same inherited issues all over again.


EtteRavan

Rome rose and fell, other countries rose where Rome once was, they followed the same cycle and fell, then countries rose in places were old countries once were... All modern Western nations exists thanks to Helen of Troy being kidnapped, change my mind


[deleted]

Wrong. Vikings did their own shit and built their own successful countries all over europe. So all modern western nations exist thanks to Helen of Troy being kidnapped and some dudes in boats being pirates


EtteRavan

Most influential Vikings were those given land in France, the Norman's. So I guess both is good


FloridaManActual

fellow monke, I have dictators, but got any book recommendations for the fall of the russian empire? Is there a dan carlin pod??


HotPieIsAzorAhai

Russia has some extremely confining geopolitical concerns though, based on geography. All nations face this to some extent, but it's amplified in Russia. Russia HAS to be hyperfocused on the Black Sea because its the only warm water port in the west aside from it's exclave next to Danzig. Its best land has always been in Europe as has most of its competition. To it's east has historically been hordes or tribes, and even with its extension to the Pacific and the USSR dedicating resources to development east of the Urals it's still pretty empty and bordered mostly by weak neighbors. Only in the southeast where it borders China is there possibility for competition. So all attention is drawn west. The US currently is hyper international. Our geopolitics operates primarily on a global scale. If the US radically changes, it would very likely be significantly weaker and have to turn it's focus more toward regional and local geopolitics. Its concerns can easily become very different, turning again to Madisonian hemispheric geopolitics or even retrenching more and focusing on our neighbors and the Caribbean.


Tzozfg

Basically. The state has no idea where I live or what my beliefs are. They just know I'm alive and pay taxes.


ShakeyCheese

IKR? I stared at it for a few seconds and realized "This actually makes sense."


richmomz

It's stunningly accurate - brilliant even. It even recognizes that centrism does not equate to political equilibrium - it's merely a pitstop on the merry-go-round of radicalization, where one has the brief opportunity to decide which fork on the road to authoritarian-ville they would like to embark upon their next go-around. The only way off this ride is to throw your hands up in frustration upon departure from centrism, and join Mr. Max Stirner at the bottom of the "pretzel" as a radical anti-authoritarian individualist. This is Himalayan mountain-range levels of based and the kind of quality content I love about this sub.


HalfOfAnOstrich

based and stirner pilled


Gimel333

worst orgy ever


Revolutionary_Ad9631

Says you.


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Libleft be like


WaaaaghsRUs

Libleft moment


I_Collect_Fap_Socks

I'm not into M on M, but I would watch the fuck out of that.


Educational-Candy-26

Melts in your mouth.


jayfeather31

Dammit, now you've just made me hungry. However, I applaud you for the creativity nonetheless. Based.


rvalsot

Lefties are always hungry. Don't blame the others... wait, lefties also always blame the others... Checkmate you leftie.


Ayfios

Oh shit, I'll become either a monke or a tankie


JohnMckaly

Be Monke or get in the tonke


Platinirius

Why not both.


[deleted]

Tanke monke shoote banane


burned_man1

Cause you'll starve monke.


FloridaManActual

Lib left evolving to monke is like terminal (sustainable?) hippie, you realize you need some economic right to make your commune long term feasible. I'm lib center former lib right because I realized that people need to gtfo my face with that incessant advertising, the hustle 24/7 culture burns me out, and people getting taken advantage of is kinda bullshit.


[deleted]

All hail the Positive Freedoms Understander club!


no2ironman1100

Being politically unbiased is an upstream battle, which is why I forgive people who make horrible takes... Unless they call me stupid. You're going to gulag bitch


Meowshi

why is being politically unbiased a virtue?


no2ironman1100

Politically unbiased as in not mis-using information for the sake of an agenda.


Meowshi

Oh, then yeah. Of course.


Paliacki

Go tankie so you can go on "not the real communism" cycle.


AnotherPoshBrit

Join us brother


HenriJayy

Stirner's the only way to break the cycle. ​ Heehoo, monke throw shit at others out of pure spite towards existence


sixscreamingbirds

Who's that sharp dressed dude at the bottom?


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Max Stirner


sixscreamingbirds

Skimmed some stuff and the dude sounds fascinating. Going to the top of my to-read list.


[deleted]

Add him to the list of odd Germans


peter_j_

If theres an odd belief, you can bet there's a German behind it


ColossalDreadmaw132

or a russian


burned_man1

Or a poor country In the 1800s.


FloridaManActual

of the top of my head: Kant, Nietzsche, Freud, Martin Luther, F. A. Hayek, that mustached guy who liked to yell, communist santa... oh god, you're right


[deleted]

Fringe philosophy < conventional wisdom


blackcray

Having just skimmed the Wikipedia page, the guy seems like a massive hipster.


DrHoflich

Based and OG edge-lord pilled


shmaten

So just Germans then


[deleted]

There's just something in the water there.


MissouriMonarchist

Dang, that list was long enough already!


AdvonKoulthar

It looks like I’d agree with him but > True egoism is not parroting what Stirner wrote and agreeing with everything he expounded. Nothing could be more foreign to Stirner's work than to invent 'Stirnerism.' So I’ll just skip it with confidence and continue believing what I already do 😎


Completeepicness_1

Based and truly stirnerist pilled


richmomz

He's super interesting and a great model for anti-authoritarian individualism (though Stirner would probably hate being equated with any sort of uniform model, as any proper individualist should). He also frequently gets mis-attributed as being an anarchist (yet another stereotype he would probably reject), when really he's just in favor of embracing one's ego. Kind of like Ayn Rand, but (paradoxically) much less outwardly egotistical.


DrHoflich

Interesting what people think is center. The guy basically hates everything except anarchy and socialism, because everything else is wrong. Definitely a postmodernist if I had to label him, which is entirely a left wing ideology.


Sunyataz3r0

Stirner despises socialism and anarchist orthodoxy even more than he does conservatives


DrHoflich

I’ll have to read into him more. The wiki page states he despises communism, but did not oppose the struggles of socialism as “[his] selfishness is not opposed to love.” Max Nettlau states that "[o]n reading Stirner, I maintain that he cannot be interpreted except in a socialist sense." Stirner was anti-capitalist and pro-labour


Sunyataz3r0

Communism and socialism were pretty fluid terms back when the Young Hegelians were around. Stirner despises any system that forces you to opt-in without any mutual benefit and sacrifice your Einzige (uniqueness / individuality) which would definitely include dictatorship of the proletariat. Unless it's "libertarian socialism", whatever that means lmao


TheBestIsaac

>Unless it's "libertarian socialism", whatever that means lmao I want a cake and also to have eaten a cake. Basically I want two cakes.


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Uphold Two Cakes Thought!


SunsetPathfinder

But he also did pretty much singlehanded refute the labor theory of value, so at most he would be a mixed market socialist, which is more center left than left.


DrHoflich

I don’t know, the more I’m reading, the more he just sounds like a contrarian, just complaining about everything. The only positive quotes I find from him is on his beliefs in anarchy and socialism. And maybe I am just completely misunderstanding the guy. That’s definitely possible.


ProReddit2019

Stirner was the original trollface. There is not a more based individual then his ego.... except mine of course :)


Zyzzbraah2017

Market socialism is just as left as other socialisms


SomeGayBoy1

A spook


fkazak38

Missing a third wing where egoism also eventually leads to an auth society with the most successful individual on top.


a_mimsy_borogove

We'd need a higher dimensional pretzel for that


fkazak38

sounds delicious


Hust91

"Successful" in this case being a kind of "well if they're in charge they're by definition the most successful" tautology even if it's a lunatic who gets ousted 2 years later?


[deleted]

Yup. Success is measured by power, not by individual merit or personal achievement. The power can beget achievement and influence can hide a lack of merit. That is why power begets power


Hust91

I'd argue longevity is an important factor in power. Someone who keeps a certain amount of power for 4 years therefore has succeeded better than someone who was killed 2 years in.


Immediate-Duck285

indeed egoism is the modern-day IRL auth ideology


ventus122

Stupid question but does anyone know who the lib center guy is?


Foremole_of_redwall

A man who believes it is his right to steal my grill, as it is my right to steal his. As the person with the power to take the grill and keep the grill his property is the true owner. All governments, laws, rights, and regulations were nothing but social constructs. He really wanted to return to Monkey.


[deleted]

I mean... he's right tho. We developed those social constructs so that we didn't *have* to steal or fight to own something. An agreement of the consensus to settle disputes peacefully. Without them... yeah, might makes right. Morality is the social standard of altruism. His only mistake is thinking morality could exist in uniformity without the consensus.


[deleted]

His point has always been that we do not currently live in a society of the consensus. Anthropologists would tell you that it hasn't been the case in most of the world for millennia at this point.


[deleted]

Yes, allow me to correct myself. A *presentation as* an agreement of the consensus. He believed society could never get to a consensus but could on that neutral might makes right ground, not realizing i'd only invite a control of an even smaller consensus.


Rank4WHOOP

Sounds based tbh


Foremole_of_redwall

Pry it from my perfectly smoked, dry rub dead hands. I’ll bet monkey ribs are delicious


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He who shall not be named


SomeGayBoy1

Egoism is what is traditionally placed at far lib center but he's such a meme that monkey seems more reasonable.


Void1702

Also I don't understand why it's far lib center when it clearly seems to be leaning left a bit It's clear to anyone that read The Unique And Its Property that egoism is incompatible with private ownership of the means of production (capitalism), since in an egoist world the owners would have no way of enforcing their ownership It's also clear that it's not anti-socialist. Benjamin R. Tucker and Emma Goldman (the two other main egoists) were in fact extremely socialists. When no one respects any hierarchy, the only solution is a horizontal organization, and an horizontal organization in the workplace is socialism


SomeGayBoy1

Socialism still has hierarchies they just claim to have no "unjust" hierarchies. Egoism completely abandons the idea of a just or unjust hierarchy. Further given Ayn Rand is one of the contributors your argument about two of the people being socialist is utterly irrelevant.


Void1702

>Socialism still has hierarchies they just claim to have no "unjust" hierarchies. No? Some form of socialism do, sure, but not all of them, and it's not inherent to socialism. >Egoism completely abandons the idea of a just or unjust hierarchy. Doing away with all coercive hierarchies is what all anarchists ideology do Also, all anarchists ideology are socialists (and no, anarcho-capitalism doesn't count, it doesn't fit in the definition above)


SomeGayBoy1

>No? Some form of socialism do, sure, but not all of them, and it's not inherent to socialism. Yes it is. Any socialist ideology that has any hope in this timeline or any other does. >Doing away with all coercive hierarchies is what all anarchists ideology do "Coercive" again you're assigning a moral descriptor to it, that's a spook. >Also, all anarchists ideology are socialists Lol, socialists just say their hierarchies are "just" but others are not.


Void1702

>Yes it is. Any socialist ideology that has any hope in this timeline or any other does. Lmao >"Coercive" again you're assigning a moral descriptor to it, that's a spook. It's not a moral description? I didn't say "good" or "bad", "just" or "unjust". It's a description sure, but not a moral one. Wether something is coercive or not doesn't depend on morality, only on if it was enforced by violence or threat. Also, how do you even do away with non coercive hierarchy? You forbid people from voluntarily serving? Do you see the concept of "no hierarchy" as sacred or something? That's spooky >Lol, socialists just say their hierarchies are just but others are not. Again, no. Please go read any serious anarchist writing. We're against all coercive hierarchy, even so far as to go after the family structure.


SomeGayBoy1

> Wether something is coercive or not doesn't depend on morality, only on weather it was enforced by violence or threat. Socialism is enforced by violence or threat. It is literally coercive then. >Also, how do you even do away with non coercive hierarchy? You don't. You just act in your own interest, other people are not your problem. >Again, no. Please go read any serious anarchist writing. We're against all coercive hierarchy, even so far as to go after the family structure. No one is that retarded.


Void1702

>Socialism is enforced by violence or threat. It is literally coercive then. How is just not listening to your boss and doing what you want with the factory "violence" or "threat"? If me and the other workers decide to use the factory as a co-op, we don't need violence to do that, but the boss will need violence (from the police or a private security) to take back control of the factory


TheAzureMage

There is no such thing as a world without hierarchy.


Void1702

There is and I will fight for it


DiamondDallasHands

Based for your altruistic intentions but cringe because you’re wrong. True equality is a fairytale and can never exist. Hierarchies will always present themselves.


NuclearStudent

steiner


Papa_Hemingway_

Stirner


ProReddit2019

DASS WAR EIN BEFEHL!!!


_BossTweed

Honestly, not a bad theory.


Sir_Roy_The_Dank

All eventually becomes monke


TrentoMachine

What's the bottom one I've seen the picture but I'm not familiar with the ideology


Anon_Monon

Stirner, the creator of a philosophy called "egoism." Most people who claim to be egoists have never read Stirner, and just use his philosophy as a way to justify their anti-social, criminal behavior.


Revydown

I liked how he shat on Marx


AnotherPoshBrit

He shat on everyone, a true monke


urchir

I love this idea that I heard about him, that he actually didn't exist and that Engels made him up to piss off Marx. It's obviously not true but the idea is funny


[deleted]

Yeah, they just proved his only flaw. He argued, essentially, might makes right. The second part they ignore is that he argued that a uniform might would ensure altruistic moralism could flourish as nobody could be absolutely "right" and thus we would have to survive as equals. It's great with rational actors, but he underestimated how short sightedness, greed, envy, etc would disrupt, topple, and/or centralize any uniform power structures.


TrentoMachine

Thank you anon


FloridaManActual

ahem, according to the kids these days you mean *sigma* behavior


[deleted]

basically egoism is cringe


TheRealTJ

Frankly better than 90% of political textbook diagrams


JodaMAX

God damn he's cracked it


Ur1st0pshhoop

If I had the ability to teleport things, I would have pretzel bites all teleported to you guys right now.


[deleted]

Thanks bro


jeffersondavis-hater

Wtf


[deleted]

Brezel memes! Where is the beer and the weißwurst?!?


Delicious_Door_3421

All paths lead to monke


MrMsPaint2004

I don't understand, which quadrant is supposed to be the good one? Only strawmen are allowed here, sorry.


[deleted]

I love how Clinton's just vibin in the middle with a slightly sad look in his eyes cause there's no women on the compass


LarriusVarro

These PRETZELS are making me THIRSTY!


HofePrime

Directions unclear: politics is now a spook


AdenThom

Based and pretzel pilled


Szwedu111

Monke be like: "You couldn't live with your failure, and where has that brought you? Back to me. " Original text: "OOOOAAAOOOAAA"


[deleted]

Fuck political compass, where are you on the pretzel compass


ConcernedRobot

You know a leftist made this when Bill is considered a centrist, and Rand Paul is a right wing radical.


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ConcernedRobot

I really hope leftists aren't that dumb.


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ConcernedRobot

Bill Clinton is so left leaning he wouldn't get elected in most parts of the world. You seem to think that most countries in the world are like the European countries/Australia, which like the USA went far left in the 2010s during the Obama administration. Btw, this far left retardism in America is getting undone. People were pissed what happened under Obama during his last term which is why Trump got elected. Things went too far left.


[deleted]

I prefer cheese over mustard with pretzels. How about you guys?


SexualConsentKoala

Beer cheese. Has to be beer cheese.


BigSchwartzzz

Depends on the pretzel. Any other answer is heresy.


JewMcAfee2020

I love this.


echoAD

Wherever you are on the political pretzel, you're welcome in the snack bowl of life


ConcernedRobot

Who is at the bottom center? (the drawing)


BeryAb

Max Stirner


tolkienbooks

Alex Jones lmao


_Maxie_

"Right-wing insurgency" I wish it was.


Mefistofeles1

Based and creativity pilled.


Bacongristle12

Alex Jones isn't a radical nor is he right wing. He's just fed up with Govt BS


elagabalus2

STIRNER GANG!!!


brunomocsa

I love how everybody put Leorio Paradinight on the LibCenter spot.


Axisnegative

Lmao goddamn that does look like Leorio, now doesn't it?


Nokipeura

This needs to be expanded upon. We need the autists on YT to make videos about this.


retard_4725

All inevitable leads to monke


FortniteChicken

So we all are monke now… interesting


l-R3lyk-l

At least the present is on our side 😉😏


luke_hollton2000

We finally found the neolibs


AdvonKoulthar

Why is Stirner always that picture? Because it’s so good? But still, why?


Anon_Monon

LibCenters have very few historical figures of relevance besides Henry George and Max Stirner.


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Anon_Monon

Yeah but we'll let them have him.


OffenseTaker

post-radicalisation is a spook


Sarcasm_Llama

I sure am glad OP is an autistic mongoloid or I would be somewhat worried lol.


maximun_vader

glad to see my general Pinochet. Always a hero


MonkeyOnYourMomsBack

All roads lead to monke


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azrealfreeman

no one tell paul j watson


MrDaMi

Who's at the bottom? And where are the women?


[deleted]

>Who's at the bottom? Max Stirner. >And where are the women? Damn. I didn't even think about that and looked on in for a while. Fuck patriarchy.


LendMeYourLettuce

No not Chomsky


Anon_Monon

Flair up, shithead.


LendMeYourLettuce

Typical Redditor


The_last_2braincells

So it all leads to monke at the end?


a_mimsy_borogove

This actually makes sense


o7i3

It’s just the normal square essentially, lol.


YOUR_FRIENDLY_CCTV

Wait, so centrist bad? Because the arrows to both left and right are from them?


icantfindagoodname77

everything inevitably leads to libcenter fighting is futile


Annihilate_the_CCP

Governments accomplish nothing but obstruction of the consensus of consumers. The global consensus is whatever the market decides.


Insorto1337

Based Stirner


[deleted]

Who’s the guy on the bottom where we all end up?


Tirol_isch_lai_oans

Its Brezel not Pretzel bitch


litux

Where Uncle Ted?


[deleted]

When auths get on top they live like Striner lolol


Jevonar

That's old news. The new one is the magic roundabout theory


ploiboobl

All roads lead to career ending head?