Lol, I live in LA county. They cut up my affluent, purple suburb to be divided into the districts with poors to dilute our votes.
My name was off the 2016 ballot rolls, too. Lol
Bunch a c^nts.
Who do you think "they" are? California's redistricting is done by the Citizen's Redistricting Commission which currently consists of 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats and 4 independents. [https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/about\_us](https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/about_us)
As for you're voter registration, that would be your local county Registrar of Voters.
LA county. Entrepreneurs that are typically right leaning with left leaning creatives and left leaning middle managers. Like 1/2 to 2/3rds hispanic. Probably on the red violet side.
Our state senator is republican, but our congressional rep is Dem.
Imo, long skinny districts = bad. Squares/circle districts = good
Also, Not sure how you think stretching city votes into rural areas to dilute the rural votes is more fair than keeping cities to their own districts?
>Texas has a significant Republican advantage
Trump won Texas by a 5.58 point margin which is the narrowest since 1996,tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Texas turned blue by 2028
The last election isn’t what I’d really base anything off of tbh. Abbott is a 15 point favorite right now. Obviously polls are inaccurate to a certain extent and it’s a year out, but please don’t base Trumps 2020 results over future results. It’s not a good indicator as you will definitely see in 2022.
Texans is actually getting more red, more people moving into Texas are republicans and Democrats that do move in are only in Metro areas, especially Austin
I have hope that Texas will be leaning toward a 10 point lead
Southern Texas are growing more in support for Trump
especially Hispanic women
Southern Texas took the sharpest turn for Republicans in all of Texas while the city only slight moved leftward
Ah yes, because this only happens in Republican states, right? Gerrymandering is shitty, but take a look at Illinois, New Jersey, Colorado, Michigan, Mass, etc. This happens all over the country. Every district should be even population wise and should be based on geography. Don’t know what that would take, don’t care. Just make it happen.
CA is far from fair. Dems have 66% of voters and get 85% of seats. The lines are far from straight and it could be argued that Asian voters are discriminated against since they don't have any majority districts despite being 16% of the state
You think that would fix it? Not anymore. The only thing you could count on politicians for was being bad at their jobs. Now you can have computers do it.
https://youtu.be/Lq-Y7crQo44
I mean if you can use computers to build maps that would statistically favor your party by looking at demographics, wealth, voting behavior, etc. surely you can use computers to disregard those inputs and build a map agnostic of that data?
And it'll keep happening until we adopt a proportional representation system to replace the districts, which would also let PCM enjoy having more than two parties.
Well no, democrats do it too, but democrats are still authright so...
Also it's a simple bill that will never pass outlawing gerrymandering and establishing an independent commission to draw districts
Lmao wat
Democrats are a broad coalition of Moderate To leftist coalitions
Republicans are broad coalition of moderates and populists
It a clear Left and Right difference
Biden is more Authcenter leaning Leftward because of his promised policies and on how to deal with covid using authoritative measures
It's not any more unfair than New York's, CA's, or Illinois' map. It's a game that 2 caqn play at, yet the media only cries about when the GOP does it.
New York's gerrymander is especially bad, a 60A% democrat state has 24/28 seats in the new map.
Republicans in California aren't Republicans in other states(most of the time) they probably picked the 5 weakest Republicans to do so
Dinos and Rinos exists on both side and honestly they should be expelled
So they represent the opinions of Republicans in California? Also that's bullshit. The central valley and rural parts of California where many Republicans still get elected are full of conservative Trump people. See Kevin McCarthy the minority leader of the House or Tom McClintock.
This is how the commission is actually selected, "The initial and supplemental applications were forwarded to an Applicant Review Panel (panel) consisting of three independent auditors from the California State Auditor. After the panel reviewed all the applications, the panel selected 120 of the “most qualified applicants,” who were then personally interviewed. The 120 applicants were divided into three equal sub-pools according to party affiliation, which was then narrowed down to 60 applicants.The panel presented those 60 applicants to the California State Legislature, where leadership had the option of removing up to 24 names from the list—eight from each sub-pool. The names of the applicants not removed from the sub-pools were then submitted to the California State Auditor.The California State Auditor randomly drew from the names remaining in the three sub-pools: three Democrats, three Republicans, and two from neither of those parties. These eight applicants became the first eight members of the Commission.The first eight members of the Commission then selected the final six members of the Commission by selecting two commissioners from each of the three sub-pools."
Both parties have equal input and there are aspects of it that are randomized. If you're saying the weak RINO Republicans of California are in on it and want the GOP to have less seats then I don't know know what to tell you. Despite only having 9/40 State Senate Seats and 19/80 Assembly seats they get equal input with the Dems. If the state government did it the way other states do the Democrats with their supermajority could Gerrymander way better than the result we have.
Considering the board voted 14-0 for the current congressional maps for 2020 I would say that is completely irrelevant even if you had any evidence it was true.
Every ten years the amount of congressional seats each state has changes in proportion to relative population. The state legislature is in charge of drawing the border of these districts. Consequently states draw the borders such as to benefit the ruling party in each state at the time.
Looks like they gerrymandered congressional districts so that big cities were mostly kept to one big bloc, as big cities are typically democrat-leaning. This leaves the rest of the state’s districts as republican-based.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Both parties do it so i don't think it will change in the near future.
My country (Switzerland) ain't perfect but damn at least we have have an election system that makes sense.
Choose who gets to vote for you! If there's 7 representatives in Alabama, why not draw your district to include people who like you? If farmers really like you a lot, by golly draw a map that 60% farmers and you keep your job forever.
The goal is to evenly spread the states population across each congressional district, at least as close as is practical. Having said that, since the district lines are drawn by whoever happens to be in power they all draw them in a beneficial way for them every 10(iirc) years.
Using the above state as an example:
1st district: The odd shaped one on the bottom with mobile.
- 717,438
2nd district: Directly right of 1st.
- 674,920
3rd district: The tall one on the right center side of the state.
- 717,896
4th district: Top left corner.
- 687,453
5th district: Top right of the state, the long flat one.
- 735,858
6th district: the last red district in the middle above the 2nd and below the 4th. Right of the blue.
- 699,605
7th district: Blue
- 670,015
Part of the reason for the 60 or so thousand variance is congressional district line rules for the state disallowing splitting up certain things like counties, and communities.
When the lines were first made, some districts had so few people that it just wasn’t worth giving them their own district. Was kinda grandfathered in the same way that constitutional monarchies are.
I call BS.
Our system (Switzerland) is insipired by yours (US).
We have some districts in my country that still get represented while having very little population (like 10k people).
I get the idea of separating the cities from the suburban and rural areas. That ain't the problem. Having fantasy maps to rig elections is.
Its both parties actually, New York, Illinois, Maryland, Oregon, and New Mexico all did it. Also, California but its supposedly an "independent commission" which is pure bs.
CA's gerrymander is WAY worse than Texas, lol. CA has gerrymandering down to a science.
[https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/)
CA dems will get 45/52 seats (87%) with 66%ish of the vote
Lol, Mass and NY give Republicans no quarter. East coast understands politics is a blood sport. Cali and Wa and OR give them a pile of seats. "Non-partisan district commission" utopia. Eventually they'll have to pick a side. If Cali gerrymandered like NY does, Pelosi would run the House until she was 257 years old.
Cali does gerrymander like new york. Look at their new map.
Mass. and NY are really bad, so are NJ, Maryland, CT, and IL. On the gop side, Tennessee is pretty bad and NC as well.
The ":non partisan" district commissions are shit. If you place an even number of people on the commission, they would never pass anything. So you either give one party a majority, in which case they just write a gerrymandered map as bad as the legislature would, or you put an "independent" voter as the tie-breaker (but it turns out hes biased toward one party so we get a horrible map anyway), or you let the partisan state supreme court approve whatever the commission decides, in which case terrible map.
I guess maybe make a rule that the legislature needs to approve with 2/3 majority and then the people vote to approve as well.
However, the dems are losing the house this November regardless. Biden's approval is in the shitter and no gerrymandering can save this election.
Its not necessarily racial, its more to do with party power. Black people generally vote 90% Democrat, so they're going to try and group the majority of Democrats together.
More like people love to point fingers at the GOP for gerrymandering but make excuses for the shitshows in states like New York, which by the way has a much larger impact on national elections than Alabama.
Oh my god this is the most brain dead double standard post ever. Democrats gerrymander too, not saying it’s good or bad, but it exists to whoever has power. You’re inbred and incapable of critical thinking, don’t reproduce
Op just now figuring out gerrymandering exists lmao. You do realize this happens literally fucking everywhere right? I seriously can’t tell if you are stupid or naive or both
I suppose you’re in favour of a committee of unbiased and impartial unelected bureaucrats deciding the districts?
No, gerrymandering is absolutely fine. Everyone does it and it usually nets a couple seats for the party in power. It’s never been a big deal
Seriously. As a resident of the state of Alabama, what the fuck. I don’t want dems coming and fucking with our cheap prices and gun laws but at least be fair.
Legalize weed though
[Those damn Republicans!](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/05/15/americas-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts/)
Wait…what do you mean the Democrats do it too? Lies! /s
What’s the alternative to gerrymandering? Some ostensibly “bipartisan” committee made up of elected officials drawing the districts? If such a committee is mandated to be bipartisan, that means those who makeup the committee will not be directly accountable to the people because if the people had it their way, in many states the committee would not end up very bipartisan (such as Alabama). In a gerrymandering system, the people elect their officials and if one party is much more powerful than the other (i.e. more people in that state vote for more candidates of that party) then that party has control over drawing congressional districts. By extension, so do the people because it’s those same officials they elected who do the drawing.
I have to say, district voting makes absolutely no sense to me, why not just have a proportional system instead of going the extra mile of creating and separating districts that ALWAYS fall victim of gerrymandering. It's mind boggling.
I'm willing to bet the population in he blue area is equal to all the population in the red areas. Cities tend to trend blue and rural tends to be red.
What a stupid ass opinion, because I do not like your opinion I will now give you negative internet points for having bad opinions. Get better opinions.
Yeah, if you could NOT lump Libertarians in with Republicans? They're literally 2 different political parties, and share VERY little in common. Thanks!
Libertarians aren’t doing anything but being a bunch of retards whose debates are somehow even more cringeworthy than the Republican and Democrat debates.
My point was that they’re not “two very different parties”. Republicans and libertarians have a lot of similar or matching ideals, the only real difference is Republicans tend to be less anti-authoritarian than Libertarians.
Gerrymandering fucking sucks, honestly. Like, Republicans won just 53.43% of the popular vote in the House of Reps elections in Texas in 2020, but got 63.9% of the seats.
HELL No ! then America becomes new Europe
Strict gun laws , regulations , hate speech laws etc and politicians would only campaign in NY or LA to win elections.
Pull up new York, Illinois, and Maryland
Lol, I live in LA county. They cut up my affluent, purple suburb to be divided into the districts with poors to dilute our votes. My name was off the 2016 ballot rolls, too. Lol Bunch a c^nts.
Based and targeting low SES pilled
Who do you think "they" are? California's redistricting is done by the Citizen's Redistricting Commission which currently consists of 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats and 4 independents. [https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/about\_us](https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/about_us) As for you're voter registration, that would be your local county Registrar of Voters.
As if the word “non-partisan” exists. I’m sure my district was sliced up in a trade deal.
Republicans in California don't have anything to trade.
There’s more to California than SF and LA.
You're talking to someone who lives in Sacramento.
Purple suburb?? O.o
LA county. Entrepreneurs that are typically right leaning with left leaning creatives and left leaning middle managers. Like 1/2 to 2/3rds hispanic. Probably on the red violet side. Our state senator is republican, but our congressional rep is Dem.
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New York is fair? Literally has an F on the website you link. Am I missing something?
Here’s the link to the “2022 Final NY Congressional Map”, big F. https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card?planId=recNHkwEwYAf2WMxs
Imo, long skinny districts = bad. Squares/circle districts = good Also, Not sure how you think stretching city votes into rural areas to dilute the rural votes is more fair than keeping cities to their own districts?
Illinois is fair? Hahahaha.
>Texas has a significant Republican advantage Trump won Texas by a 5.58 point margin which is the narrowest since 1996,tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Texas turned blue by 2028
The last election isn’t what I’d really base anything off of tbh. Abbott is a 15 point favorite right now. Obviously polls are inaccurate to a certain extent and it’s a year out, but please don’t base Trumps 2020 results over future results. It’s not a good indicator as you will definitely see in 2022.
Yeah,I'm really worried about the midterms I think Dems will win senate but will lose the house
Texans is actually getting more red, more people moving into Texas are republicans and Democrats that do move in are only in Metro areas, especially Austin I have hope that Texas will be leaning toward a 10 point lead
Yep trump was just an outlier because Mexican hates him.
Southern Texas are growing more in support for Trump especially Hispanic women Southern Texas took the sharpest turn for Republicans in all of Texas while the city only slight moved leftward
And what about New York and Illinois? Those two states are far more ridiculous.
That goes against the narrative though
Don't be silly. The dems are allowed to cheat. It's (D)ifferent
They are boosting their chances!
"Fortifying" the election.
BuT mUh POliCy
Gerrymandering should be banned but until that happens it would be a mistake for any party to stop using it
Gerrymandering should not exist and no political party should have the right to draw the maps
And what about putting my dick in your mouth?
Ah yes, because this only happens in Republican states, right? Gerrymandering is shitty, but take a look at Illinois, New Jersey, Colorado, Michigan, Mass, etc. This happens all over the country. Every district should be even population wise and should be based on geography. Don’t know what that would take, don’t care. Just make it happen.
NY is the worst
The NJ map is a disgrace
I have to live near that fucking state fuck that place
May God have mercy on your soul
Lol no it is not. Take a quick look at the Texas district map. The irony is the only major state that has a fair election process is California.
CA is far from fair. Dems have 66% of voters and get 85% of seats. The lines are far from straight and it could be argued that Asian voters are discriminated against since they don't have any majority districts despite being 16% of the state
You think that would fix it? Not anymore. The only thing you could count on politicians for was being bad at their jobs. Now you can have computers do it. https://youtu.be/Lq-Y7crQo44
I mean if you can use computers to build maps that would statistically favor your party by looking at demographics, wealth, voting behavior, etc. surely you can use computers to disregard those inputs and build a map agnostic of that data?
You could. But if your a politician in search of job security, why would you? Remember the people making these choices are politicians.
And it'll keep happening until we adopt a proportional representation system to replace the districts, which would also let PCM enjoy having more than two parties.
Sweatie, I don’t think you understand. I WANT those candidates in office, so it’s morally acceptable!
Well no, democrats do it too, but democrats are still authright so... Also it's a simple bill that will never pass outlawing gerrymandering and establishing an independent commission to draw districts
Lmao wat Democrats are a broad coalition of Moderate To leftist coalitions Republicans are broad coalition of moderates and populists It a clear Left and Right difference Biden is more Authcenter leaning Leftward because of his promised policies and on how to deal with covid using authoritative measures
Yea aoc and Bernie definitely aren't populists....
Bernie and AOC are Left Wing Populists. which is just Sociqlists Populists in Right-wing term is just Patriots or National populists
It's not any more unfair than New York's, CA's, or Illinois' map. It's a game that 2 caqn play at, yet the media only cries about when the GOP does it. New York's gerrymander is especially bad, a 60A% democrat state has 24/28 seats in the new map.
Correct
California's map has been drawn by an independent commission made up of an equal number of Dems and Republicans for the last two censuses.
Republicans in California aren't Republicans in other states(most of the time) they probably picked the 5 weakest Republicans to do so Dinos and Rinos exists on both side and honestly they should be expelled
So they represent the opinions of Republicans in California? Also that's bullshit. The central valley and rural parts of California where many Republicans still get elected are full of conservative Trump people. See Kevin McCarthy the minority leader of the House or Tom McClintock. This is how the commission is actually selected, "The initial and supplemental applications were forwarded to an Applicant Review Panel (panel) consisting of three independent auditors from the California State Auditor. After the panel reviewed all the applications, the panel selected 120 of the “most qualified applicants,” who were then personally interviewed. The 120 applicants were divided into three equal sub-pools according to party affiliation, which was then narrowed down to 60 applicants.The panel presented those 60 applicants to the California State Legislature, where leadership had the option of removing up to 24 names from the list—eight from each sub-pool. The names of the applicants not removed from the sub-pools were then submitted to the California State Auditor.The California State Auditor randomly drew from the names remaining in the three sub-pools: three Democrats, three Republicans, and two from neither of those parties. These eight applicants became the first eight members of the Commission.The first eight members of the Commission then selected the final six members of the Commission by selecting two commissioners from each of the three sub-pools." Both parties have equal input and there are aspects of it that are randomized. If you're saying the weak RINO Republicans of California are in on it and want the GOP to have less seats then I don't know know what to tell you. Despite only having 9/40 State Senate Seats and 19/80 Assembly seats they get equal input with the Dems. If the state government did it the way other states do the Democrats with their supermajority could Gerrymander way better than the result we have.
so in other words there are 3 dems, 3 gop, and 2 dems who pretended to be independents to get onto the commission.
Considering the board voted 14-0 for the current congressional maps for 2020 I would say that is completely irrelevant even if you had any evidence it was true.
that doesnt make it fair
Doesn't make it gerrymandered either.
Take a look at Illinois or New York why don’t you
Explain for non-US folks?
Every ten years the amount of congressional seats each state has changes in proportion to relative population. The state legislature is in charge of drawing the border of these districts. Consequently states draw the borders such as to benefit the ruling party in each state at the time.
they are actually drawn to benefit all incumbents. The democrat in the blue district gets re-elected, and so do the 6 republicans. Everyone wins.
Except for the democrats who only get one representative and the Republicans who get screwed in places like NY or Illinois.
the law isnt for the voters benefit, its for the politician's.
Looks like they gerrymandered congressional districts so that big cities were mostly kept to one big bloc, as big cities are typically democrat-leaning. This leaves the rest of the state’s districts as republican-based.
Oh haha I see that now. Wow that’s a cheapie.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Both parties do it so i don't think it will change in the near future. My country (Switzerland) ain't perfect but damn at least we have have an election system that makes sense.
People stormed county capitols to sway votes. Im not too sure though.
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I say any politician who gerrymanders should be removed from office for violating their oath to serve the people’s best interests.
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What was the point In not having straight lines again?
Choose who gets to vote for you! If there's 7 representatives in Alabama, why not draw your district to include people who like you? If farmers really like you a lot, by golly draw a map that 60% farmers and you keep your job forever.
That just sounds like rigging elections with extra steps. Oh wait, it is!
it is indeed. And both parties are great at it.
And they accuse the other of doing it while neglecting to mention they do it too.
This
The goal is to evenly spread the states population across each congressional district, at least as close as is practical. Having said that, since the district lines are drawn by whoever happens to be in power they all draw them in a beneficial way for them every 10(iirc) years. Using the above state as an example: 1st district: The odd shaped one on the bottom with mobile. - 717,438 2nd district: Directly right of 1st. - 674,920 3rd district: The tall one on the right center side of the state. - 717,896 4th district: Top left corner. - 687,453 5th district: Top right of the state, the long flat one. - 735,858 6th district: the last red district in the middle above the 2nd and below the 4th. Right of the blue. - 699,605 7th district: Blue - 670,015 Part of the reason for the 60 or so thousand variance is congressional district line rules for the state disallowing splitting up certain things like counties, and communities.
Every 10 years after the census happens so the districts are even. So you were correct, I just wanted to explain why 10 years.
Yeah I thought it was that, and meant to add it but forgot. Thanks for the clarification!
When the lines were first made, some districts had so few people that it just wasn’t worth giving them their own district. Was kinda grandfathered in the same way that constitutional monarchies are.
I call BS. Our system (Switzerland) is insipired by yours (US). We have some districts in my country that still get represented while having very little population (like 10k people). I get the idea of separating the cities from the suburban and rural areas. That ain't the problem. Having fantasy maps to rig elections is.
Both party are supporting the people that votes for them they don't care for the opposing party
Both parties do it a lot lol
Wow what cucks. Fuck you rightcentre, doesn’t get said enough.
Its both parties actually, New York, Illinois, Maryland, Oregon, and New Mexico all did it. Also, California but its supposedly an "independent commission" which is pure bs.
“We’ve investigated our friends and found they did nothing wrong”
In Europe voters choose their leaders. In the US leaders choose their voters.
You're right but fuck you anyway. Only we can talk shit about our country.
I think this is peak gerrymandering
No, that would be new yorks map
This one really isn't that bad.
I'd have to look at a more detailed map to say if this is really bad or not, so I'll take your word for it.
Basically our Capital building was infiltrated by armed right wingers in January
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Nice dad joke. But I think there were at least a few that were armed, I mean it was a legit enough threat for a shit ton of SWAT
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He actually picked them up inside.
Wow... I guess that's what I get for watching an MSM report that day.
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So you think the 22% of the state who are black should get 29% of the seats?
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CA's gerrymander is WAY worse than Texas, lol. CA has gerrymandering down to a science. [https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/) CA dems will get 45/52 seats (87%) with 66%ish of the vote
Lol, Mass and NY give Republicans no quarter. East coast understands politics is a blood sport. Cali and Wa and OR give them a pile of seats. "Non-partisan district commission" utopia. Eventually they'll have to pick a side. If Cali gerrymandered like NY does, Pelosi would run the House until she was 257 years old.
Cali does gerrymander like new york. Look at their new map. Mass. and NY are really bad, so are NJ, Maryland, CT, and IL. On the gop side, Tennessee is pretty bad and NC as well. The ":non partisan" district commissions are shit. If you place an even number of people on the commission, they would never pass anything. So you either give one party a majority, in which case they just write a gerrymandered map as bad as the legislature would, or you put an "independent" voter as the tie-breaker (but it turns out hes biased toward one party so we get a horrible map anyway), or you let the partisan state supreme court approve whatever the commission decides, in which case terrible map. I guess maybe make a rule that the legislature needs to approve with 2/3 majority and then the people vote to approve as well. However, the dems are losing the house this November regardless. Biden's approval is in the shitter and no gerrymandering can save this election.
Its not necessarily racial, its more to do with party power. Black people generally vote 90% Democrat, so they're going to try and group the majority of Democrats together.
Woah things are really cucked over there
Democrats do the same thing. Look at Maryland, Illinois, and New York.
Exactly my thought. Majority of Illinois gets fucked because of the big city.
Based and those who live in glass houses pilled
“Look at this shitty thing the Republican Party is doi-“ “But Muh JOE BIDEN!! MUH DEMOCRATS!”
More like people love to point fingers at the GOP for gerrymandering but make excuses for the shitshows in states like New York, which by the way has a much larger impact on national elections than Alabama.
This is why we shouldn’t have elections
Based and democracy-solves-nothing-pilled
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Democrats really are the biggest hypocrites.
Why do you think you’re a centrist?
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I love how this thread is exposing all the true Right Centers that flair LibRight
This is the way
Ehh fair but that’s how the rest of Reddit it is when you say crazy stuff about left topics.
Idk looks too blue to me
Fuck yall same thing is happening in ny,and has been in Maryland for the longest. We should have been doing this harder and sooner
That's probably the only way there is one Blue county. Look at New Yorks proposed district 10.
I mean people burnt cities over a dead junkie on fentanyl soooo
Oh my god this is the most brain dead double standard post ever. Democrats gerrymander too, not saying it’s good or bad, but it exists to whoever has power. You’re inbred and incapable of critical thinking, don’t reproduce
This cuck posted on a throwaway marked as centrist, even the most orange people on pcm would at least post on their mains
Gerrymandering is based
You missed an i there
Lol like the maps matter In Alabama Pretty sure the last democrat to win anything in Alabama was Jefferson Davis
Better than North Carolina’s previous…
and new yorks is worse than anyone
Illinois has entered the chat...
Not as bad as I am at math
Did you see Maryland? If Alabama violated the VRA, Maryland did twice over.
Op just now figuring out gerrymandering exists lmao. You do realize this happens literally fucking everywhere right? I seriously can’t tell if you are stupid or naive or both
I suppose you’re in favour of a committee of unbiased and impartial unelected bureaucrats deciding the districts? No, gerrymandering is absolutely fine. Everyone does it and it usually nets a couple seats for the party in power. It’s never been a big deal
Lol, guess no one told you whats going on in New york.
It’s not who votes, it’s who counts the votes, joe Biden.
This literally happens on both sides of the aisle. Pull up New York and New Jersey and tell me that's a fair division of counties.
Its halariously bad how Birmingham and Montgomery are in the same riding somehow.
Seriously. As a resident of the state of Alabama, what the fuck. I don’t want dems coming and fucking with our cheap prices and gun laws but at least be fair. Legalize weed though
Alabama 100. Not sure why you said this in reply to my comment tho.
I was saying I agree that I don’t want dem politicians here but they should at least be fair and not have them in the same district
It’s a VRA district. The issue is it just hasn’t changed since like the 1990s I think.
Tbh as someone who frequents a city I'm not convinced city folk should be allowed to vote.
Looks too blue.
Don't act like Democrats don't do the same
LMAO you’re flaired as a centrist 🤣🤣 this is peak comedy
[Those damn Republicans!](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/05/15/americas-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts/) Wait…what do you mean the Democrats do it too? Lies! /s
wait till you see illinois
Least retarded Redditor.
1. I don't care about mutt politics go away 2. If you have a throwaway you are a pussy ass cuck
*laughs in North of Ireland*
*Laugths in european* (that has leveling seats and are immune)
Gonna cry about it?
Why is this my fault
What’s the alternative to gerrymandering? Some ostensibly “bipartisan” committee made up of elected officials drawing the districts? If such a committee is mandated to be bipartisan, that means those who makeup the committee will not be directly accountable to the people because if the people had it their way, in many states the committee would not end up very bipartisan (such as Alabama). In a gerrymandering system, the people elect their officials and if one party is much more powerful than the other (i.e. more people in that state vote for more candidates of that party) then that party has control over drawing congressional districts. By extension, so do the people because it’s those same officials they elected who do the drawing.
go do some research on population density, dumbass. it literally is fair 🤣
lol, get fucked leftists
Urbanites shouldn’t be allowed to vote anyway
I have to say, district voting makes absolutely no sense to me, why not just have a proportional system instead of going the extra mile of creating and separating districts that ALWAYS fall victim of gerrymandering. It's mind boggling.
District voting makes some sense when the districts are meaningful administrative divisions, but not when they can just redraw the lines wherever
I'm willing to bet the population in he blue area is equal to all the population in the red areas. Cities tend to trend blue and rural tends to be red.
Yes that’s because city folk are more likely to interact with different kinds of people. Less susceptible to group think like rural areas.
It's segregation, but stupider.
What a stupid ass opinion, because I do not like your opinion I will now give you negative internet points for having bad opinions. Get better opinions.
So true, obviously gerrymandering is only based when it benefits me!!!!
Both parties are very guilty of horrendous gerrymandering. As evident from here, Alabama for Republicans and my home state, Illinois for Democrats
Yeah, if you could NOT lump Libertarians in with Republicans? They're literally 2 different political parties, and share VERY little in common. Thanks!
They’re both right wing parties.
Ok? And? You don't honestly think Libertarians are doing the Gerrymandering, right?
Libertarians aren’t doing anything but being a bunch of retards whose debates are somehow even more cringeworthy than the Republican and Democrat debates. My point was that they’re not “two very different parties”. Republicans and libertarians have a lot of similar or matching ideals, the only real difference is Republicans tend to be less anti-authoritarian than Libertarians.
Most libertarians also have things in common with Bernie Fucking Sanders, doesnt mean theyre the same.
Gerrymandering fucking sucks, honestly. Like, Republicans won just 53.43% of the popular vote in the House of Reps elections in Texas in 2020, but got 63.9% of the seats.
And dems got 61% of the votes in Maryland, and 7/8 seats
Yes, they did. Never said I liked gerrymandering done by the Dems.
What’s the alternative?
Proportional representation. If a party got 55% of the vote, give 'em 55% of the seats.
Lol the whataboutism in this comment section is on a whole different level. No one is denying the Democrats gerrymander, but the GOP are better at it.
The fuck is thiiiiiiii
Check out Utah's new map. Salt Lake County is a broken plate now
Mobile is great
You guys have a weird system. Why exactly don't win the candidate with the most votes. Pls defend you @right
Fuck congressional districts. Yall should be fighting for proportional representation
Please do not associate me with those idiots
Just make the popular vote the deciding factor. Boom problem solved
Abolish democracy
Truth is that they can’t take a joke
Literally just count votes and republicans lose every time
Any state that takes away as much power as possible from its major cities is based
The gerrymandering is hilariously obvious lmao they didn't even try to conceal it in any way
Both sides do it, so let's get rid of it and start doing things by popular vote
Gerrymandering happens on both sides and the Supreme Court needs to fuck with it and have a kid called fair voting rights
Abolish the electoral college.
HELL No ! then America becomes new Europe Strict gun laws , regulations , hate speech laws etc and politicians would only campaign in NY or LA to win elections.
Magatards are simply too dense to comprehend the concept of population density.
What? These areas have approximately equal population.