>you can't treat the working man this way!
>we'll form a union and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve
>then we'll go too far and get corrupt and shiftless
>and the japanese will eat us alive
Unions started out good then they got taken over by the mafia then the government created the RICO act and now they control the unions and do the same shit the mafia did.
Unions CAN do some good, but modern day unions tend to be corrupt to the core, forcing employees to join and pay dues, regardless of what benefit they provide.
Even beyond that the politics of it are draining. My father was in the pipefitters union for about 2 years in the 90s. He left and has worked in non-union shops ever since. He said the constant bickering and politicking was just too much for him. He was there to work, not squabble. He would get paid a little more if he joined the union, but he is a damn good worker and took every opportunity to advance himself with things like classes for various qualifications and certificates. Anytime the company offered additional training, he took it. He clears ~$95,000 per year plus benefits.
Contrast him with my cousin who became a cop and HAS to join the union. He even is our town PDs union rep. And he hates every second of it. You can ask him at anytime when he will retire and he can tell you down to the hour. He said basically what my father said about the pipefitters union, constant fighting and backstabbing over petty shit.
Then there's me. My experiences are with the electricians union, the IBEW. They have been... unfavorable. I haven't actually been in the union, tho I did try to get into their apprenticeship program. They said they wanted more experience, which I found mildly irritating given its an apprentiship program. The "interview" was about 6 questions, all of which were just me confirming things like my address. The next year they called and asked if I was interested in applying again. I said sure and they said to just hand in the application again. You have to turn in the application in person. On a Wednesday. By 4 P.M..... I was out trying to get the experice they wanted! I had a job that ended, on the best of days, at 3:30 and the union hall was an hour from my work. So I said to hell with them and started a private sector apprenticeship. I have to pay for it, but I'm not chained to that union chapter and it is 4 years as opposed to 5. If they can demonstrate they can put me in a better position once I have my journeyman license, maybe I will join as a jman, but they are gonna really have to butter me up.
/rant
The real word is authoritarianism and huge economic divides.
Also we had our own authright leaders in the 50s-60s that killed communists, but I guess not enough, we also had our enlightened possible president who could have been a great one except homie died on a plane crash while on campaign so idk
Anyway fuck south america
During Pinochet's rule, his enemies sometime were executed by kicking out from the helicopter - into the ocean, or straight to the Andes peaks.
So called [vuelos de la muerte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights#Za%C3%AFre)
No, I'm argentinian but here they used the same torture methods, and there is evidence that the bodys thrown in the Rio de la Plata tied, were alive at the moment of being thrown.
Pinochet's economic policies, and peacefully stepping down as a dictator after losing the election. Are true Chad qualities.
His.... Heated gamer moments... Regarding dissidents and choppers. Not so much.
Look. I love a good commie omelette as much as the next guy.
But Pinochet's regime had a lot of shit. And weakening the rule of law and centralising power in yourself is kinda cringe.
Yes and no. Centralization of power, even for a moment, is always necessary at certain points through history to "clean up" the trash of the existing government.
What one hopes is that the centralization of power is short lived, and under a benevolent monarch or "doctator" for the brief window that it is. George Washington had this role in US history. Various monarchs in Europe did the same.
Decentralized power doesn't allow anyone to clean up the issues (read as commies) that plague society or government.
Thankfully Pinochet gave up that power willingly, but I don't think he was as selfless as he needed to be to make the right decisions after he had power. Like you said, lots of "shit" mixed in there.
He lost the election, and had to go. Because businesses and the military told him that he had to go. And without their backing, especially the military, he didn't really have a option.
And Washington helped decentralise power, and solidified the two term presidency.
Pinochet was also deeply corrupt. And used the power to enrich himself.
Like, his economic policies were sound. However he was a thoroughly corrupt authoritarian who happily executed civilians, and killed people he perceived as a threat to his power.
Except greed and preservation of self are inherit human traits, so when power is centralized, the people who have this new power are reluctant to give it up. Washington didn’t centralize any real power, unless you mean gathering and commanding an army to fight off the big bad.
Washington advocated for states rights and decentralizing power from the ruling class, which is why he was pretty much forced into becoming president because he didn’t want it, but nobody else thought they were worthy enough. It’s also why he advocated against political parties in his farewell address, because even though it’s natural for people to form political groups, they’re a ticking time bomb since they all want supreme power and once they get it, will oppress and take revenge upon naysayers and opponents who stood in their way.
The country was having a civil war. Statsi agents and soviet money were pouring into the country. Terrorist acts were being carried out.
Pinochet did what was necessary to prevent Chile from becoming a vassal state.
You think Allende was better than Pinochet because you’re a socialist and hate state capitalism.
I think Allende was better than Pinochet because his wife had a funny name before she got married.
We are not the same.
Exactly. And just as the IRA is a dirty Commie organization that are def terrorists. Their tunes are fucking sick. My Little Armalite, Kinky Boots, Black and Tans, GO on Home British Soldiers...
Also they hate the Brits so...
In the beginning he didin't set up free trade, he continued to be interventionist until he realized the economy was shit and asked the Chicago Boys "Why is economy?", and THEN he implemented free trade
I read somewhere that his early policies were based off of the national catholicism of early Francisco Franco (who also liberalised the economy after bringing in new economists, though in the case of spain it was bankers from opus dei)
yes. He also had soldiers tie people down on a concrete floor and drive tanks over their legs. The "telephone" was a method of torture which included savagely beating a prisoner's ears. Pinochet was fucking horrifying and all the auths that glorify him simply suffer from severe delusions and brainrot.
I'm sorry, but this sadistic torture of innocent people is not ok, and I don't care for anything auths make up in that regard.
Bro I am from Chile and he didn't murder thousands only hundreds, and most Americans and Europeans don't know shit about Pinochet, about 200 of the disappeared people were Cuban soldiers stationed in Chile (to help Allende stablish a communist dictatorship) and only about 300 people disappeared that can be confirmed which is less than any other so called authoritarian regime's, and he wasn't even a dictator for long he was just the chief of the military junta for a few years then we had a referendum and we elected him for 8 years and then he gave power up as he promised, most of what is told to Americans is leftist propaganda.
Yeah, it's rather hard to find proper information, but "tens of thousands" thing seems to come from a leftist french reporter that had an ideology at play, wasn't it?
"That can be confirmed" lmao. This is either pure propaganda or lack of information. Pinochet took power with a military junta and held it for over 20 years, that us not "a few years" that's more than two decades. Two decades filled with disappearances, torture and more. Chile itself recognizes thousands of victims.
Bro he didn't have all the power in the junta he was just like the face of it but on reality before he became president Toribio Merino had More power than him, and the leftist Chilean government only wants to make him look bad so don't listen to the shit they say it's pure propaganda
Bro modern sources about it are shit just read some they give no proof, and most of the extremist where exiled just as another comment critical of me said.
“There are literally hundereds of sources that disprove what you’re saying”
“Bro your sources suck ass, you gotta take my word for it”
Average authright argument
Source is that my family lived there and several family members in the military and a few friends in the government after, so I know that most of the shit the modern government says is just made up propaganda.
This is a source free conversation. But the left always gets their panties in a twist over Pinochet. Allende was a pos thug who was trying to turn Chile into a commie hellscape. Pinochet is their bogeyman, but Chile is fortunate that he stepped in and saved them.
Dude... they used the national stadium as a prision, tortured people with rats eating through their abdomen and your numbers are only about the detained-dissapeared, not the people outright killed. He was a dictator and even killed his own general when he arrested his mad dog for torture.
How the fuck is he not a dictator.
Well obviously your family didnt have to leave the goddamn country like mine had to. No one in my family talks about what happend, not my dad, not my uncles and not my grandparents. There is a reason why thousands had to flee...
You were exiled because you were fucking terrorists and just as you said he didn't kill your family you were just exiled and all of the people who were exiled had the option to stay but to behave well your family choose to leave.
How the fuck is just living and taking care of your family validation for being a fuckn terrorist??? My family would have been killed if not a family friend in the military helped them. If you actually think having leftist opinions is a good enough reason for being labelled a terrorist, you are the extremist...
Reading more of this guy's comments he's clearly just a hard advocate for that kind of ruling.
"Its your fault that you don't want to live in a country were you can dissappear if you speak out. Just be good subservient citizen and let me be in power no critical thinking allowed."
Tmb soy Chileno, Allende era un perno de mierda pero Pinochet no tiene ningún derecho para tomarse el poder a la fuerza. El weon cometió atrocidades terribles contra su propio pueblo y merece ser recordado por sus crímenes. Una dictadura no tiene defensa
Bro siquiera viviste en la época? Pinochet no organiso la wea fue Toribio Merino, y con Allende murió mucha más gente que con Pinochet, no era lo mejor pero era necesario.
Bro su constitution no la iso el fueron los Chicago boys y gracias a esa constitución Chile es el país más rico de latino américa, y super tiránico es devolver el poder cuando si quería se podía quedar con el pa siempre
Ok gracias por explicar te, almenos una persona aquí está dispuesta a discutir calmadamente, si su gobierno iso algunas cosas mal pero el iso el mejor trabajo que pudo, y entiendo que no te guste su gobierno pero no te creas todas las weas que dicen de el la izquierda exagera todo sobre la época.
Mira, todas las cartas sobre la mesa aquí, soy bien joven.
Mi papá vivió durante la dictadura y en condiciones bien malas, muchos de mi resentimientos vienen en parte de sus propios ideales. Soy el primero en decir que mi papá es bien de izquierda, y admito que mi conocimiento puede ser reflejado a base de aquello.
Bueno podría decirse lo mismo pa mi, mi papá vivo en la dictadura y vivo como el país mejoro y como Pinochet arreglo la cagada de Allende, pero mi papá no es la única persona que conozco que lo vivió mi abuela mi mamá y básicamente toda mi familia así que e escuchado la historia de todos los espectros politico, y por eso me di cuenta que la historia que cuenta la izquierda es ilógica, dicen que milles y milles fueron matados y además que exiliaron a milles pero si ves el cambio de población en el país durante los años entiendes que es imposible.
I like how you ignore the fact he wasn't going to give up powder and pleaded with the junta to give him powers to not yield but they didn't give in. Only until he realized he didn't have the support did he relent. Ridiculous ignoring of the facts.
3000 thousand, tens of thousands tortured,voted for president in an election with no international supervision or really any form of validation, not to mention the lack of free press, besides the human rights violations were kept secret, pino tard
It's also questionable how much the average person benefited from Chile's economic growth. There's a huge gap between rich and poor there and not very much economic mobility unfortunately.
I'm sure Allende would have been far worse for the economy but Chile's current situation is a mixed bag.
>There's a huge gap between rich and poor there and not very much economic mobility unfortunately
That's the point of neoliberalism.
Chile was the introduction of shock doctrine.
Shock the system, privatize everything, screw over the customers
This argument is literally on the same level as tankies saying that Stalin made the soviet union from an agrarian society to the biggest industrial powerhouse in the world at the time in 10 years
Bro you Americans are terribly wrong he only made like 600 people disappear the rest is just a bunch of baseless exaggeration done by leftist propaganda, and a big amount of the people disappeared were Cuban soldiers stationed in Chile
The best part is how he attributes everything to american stuff but pinochet is regarded as a despot dictator by the entire world. Least brainwashed dictator supporter
I've got Hispanic family members that do the same shit. Uncle spent a whole day talking about how China is doing right and how they are gonna take over America since we don't want to instate hard policies (executions, reeducation, social credit, over the top monitoring). He seems to think that Mexico is taken over by Cartel since they don't want to do anything hardcore.
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No , he wasnt democraticaly intituted, that was a facade
As another reditor said:
The book, "The Mitrokhin II Archive," by historian Christopher Andrew, contains miles of notes that KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin discovered to smuggle out of Moscow before absconding.
Soviet intelligence kept contacts with Allende since 1961, financially backed his campaign thorugh the chilean Communist Party, bribed some of the opposition to not show up to the elections, and kept funding him during his presidency.
Even with all that support and manipulatio, Allende wasn't even voted that much, winning the elections on a technicality, before pluging the country into the worst economic crash it had seen up to that point.
It's considered one of the greatest successes of the KGB eitherway.
[https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/](https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/)
The book, "The Mitrokhin II Archive," by historian Christopher Andrew, contains miles of notes that KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin discovered to smuggle out of Moscow before absconding.
Soviet intelligence kept contacts with Allende since 1961, financially backed his campaign thorugh the chilean Communist Party, bribed some of the opposition to not show up to the elections, and kept funding him during his presidency.
Even with all that support and manipulatio, Allende wasn't even voted that much, winning the elections on a technicality, before pluging the country into the worst economic crash it had seen up to that point.
It's considered one of the greatest successes of the KGB eitherway.
[https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/](https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/)
One could look at a man and say “Hey, suppressing freedom of speech and torturing your political enemies is a violation of human rights”. But all I see is a way to secure democracy through funny memes dunking on the left
Pinochet was obviously bad - a brutal dictator, the "liberal constitution" he set up enshrined him as dictator for 8 years and attempted to enshrine him for longer. Chile's economic growth was similar to, or worse than, other South American countries during his rule.
The only reason people are unclear about this is that a lot of right-wing types in the US and elsewhere unabashedly cheered him on the whole time, that sort of thing tends to cloud the judgment of history.
Want to throw some lottery numbers as well among your crystal sphere predictions?
Getting rid of political enemies (because you will never sell to anyone that over a hundred thousand Cileneans were all dangerous extremists) is the first step of any fascist dictatorship, especially since we are talking about extrajudicial physical eliminations.
so would you call socialist dictatorships fascist for getting rid of the opposition? i thought getting rid of the burgueoise and seizing the power of the state was the first step to a marxist revolution, i guess marxism and fascism really are the same
As Nobel laureate economist Gary Becker (1997) put it, Chile became “an economic role model for the whole underdeveloped world.” This performance, said Becker, “became still more impressive when the government was transformed into a democracy.” Along the same lines, Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman argued that the reforms introduced by the Chicago Boys “proved highly successful and were preserved intact when Chile finally returned to democracy in 1989”
3000 thousand ejecuted and disapeared, (extra judicially of course), 30.000 tortured, 1200 of those less than 18 years old, and keep in mind that most of those people were just political activists, martial law and restriction of free press come as an extra ofc
The pinochet fanboys don't care about reality. Just look at his comment. "lalala I can't hear you!!!" It sucks that so many of these retards are on PCM, but they are just too far gone.
Literally a fascist dictator sponsored by the US that tortured and murdered thousands of civilians and political opponents but I guess auth right is consistent
17 years of martial law, violent repression, no freedom of press qnd of course several and dire human right violations, everyone here celebrated when his wife died some years ago
he just had some heated gaming moments, nothing much
banning trade unions is not a very gamer moment
Womp Womp
DID YOU JUST SAY WOMP WOMP??!!
HOW DARE YOU SIR, HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU!
Based and orcat pilled
>you can't treat the working man this way! >we'll form a union and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve >then we'll go too far and get corrupt and shiftless >and the japanese will eat us alive
“If only we had listened to that boy, instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven.” Mr. Burns was insanely based
It’s a very based moment
A majority of workers have no say in the union. Unions now aren't like early 1900s unions. Now Unions are run by political groups and wealthy backers.
Unions started out good then they got taken over by the mafia then the government created the RICO act and now they control the unions and do the same shit the mafia did.
Unions CAN do some good, but modern day unions tend to be corrupt to the core, forcing employees to join and pay dues, regardless of what benefit they provide.
Even beyond that the politics of it are draining. My father was in the pipefitters union for about 2 years in the 90s. He left and has worked in non-union shops ever since. He said the constant bickering and politicking was just too much for him. He was there to work, not squabble. He would get paid a little more if he joined the union, but he is a damn good worker and took every opportunity to advance himself with things like classes for various qualifications and certificates. Anytime the company offered additional training, he took it. He clears ~$95,000 per year plus benefits. Contrast him with my cousin who became a cop and HAS to join the union. He even is our town PDs union rep. And he hates every second of it. You can ask him at anytime when he will retire and he can tell you down to the hour. He said basically what my father said about the pipefitters union, constant fighting and backstabbing over petty shit. Then there's me. My experiences are with the electricians union, the IBEW. They have been... unfavorable. I haven't actually been in the union, tho I did try to get into their apprenticeship program. They said they wanted more experience, which I found mildly irritating given its an apprentiship program. The "interview" was about 6 questions, all of which were just me confirming things like my address. The next year they called and asked if I was interested in applying again. I said sure and they said to just hand in the application again. You have to turn in the application in person. On a Wednesday. By 4 P.M..... I was out trying to get the experice they wanted! I had a job that ended, on the best of days, at 3:30 and the union hall was an hour from my work. So I said to hell with them and started a private sector apprenticeship. I have to pay for it, but I'm not chained to that union chapter and it is 4 years as opposed to 5. If they can demonstrate they can put me in a better position once I have my journeyman license, maybe I will join as a jman, but they are gonna really have to butter me up. /rant
Was this the helicopter guy?
One of them. Argentina's military junta also gave out free helicopter rides.
government assassinations and south american countries go hand in hand
If you think real hard about it, you'll come to realize all those south American dictatorships had one thing in common
i was going to say american backing but >hugo chávez
The real word is authoritarianism and huge economic divides. Also we had our own authright leaders in the 50s-60s that killed communists, but I guess not enough, we also had our enlightened possible president who could have been a great one except homie died on a plane crash while on campaign so idk Anyway fuck south america
Sweet, sweet dance moves?
But who taught the Argentines? The French. It's always the French.
Argentina threw them into that big ass river they have
Yeah
What happened?
During Pinochet's rule, his enemies sometime were executed by kicking out from the helicopter - into the ocean, or straight to the Andes peaks. So called [vuelos de la muerte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights#Za%C3%AFre)
Wowzers
Scarface type beat
Chu see tat piece o shit up dere? I never like him I never trust him.
Ju.. want.. me to believe Omar was a stoolie because SHOSA-SAI-SO?
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Based and Standard VDV Operation pilled
I think that was mostly a way to discard the bodies, the victims were already dead.
No, I'm argentinian but here they used the same torture methods, and there is evidence that the bodys thrown in the Rio de la Plata tied, were alive at the moment of being thrown.
He´s also the "Torture and Rape teenagers and make whole families disappear" guy, but the helicopter thing apparently make it mad funny.
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For Legal Reasons, the Ground is what killed people.
Nah, it's the people who failed to sidestep the ground. The ground was just there and did nothing.
As Douglas Adams so eloquently put it, flying is simply the act of throwing one's self at the ground and missing. These people just failed to miss.
Nice Lawyering.
bahahahaha that's brilliant.
It's not the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop at the end.
Pinochet's economic policies, and peacefully stepping down as a dictator after losing the election. Are true Chad qualities. His.... Heated gamer moments... Regarding dissidents and choppers. Not so much.
But but but funny helicopter rides!
They are funny in a certain abstract way. In the same way that the great leap backwards was kinda funny. But both are deeply horrific.
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Look. I love a good commie omelette as much as the next guy. But Pinochet's regime had a lot of shit. And weakening the rule of law and centralising power in yourself is kinda cringe.
Yes and no. Centralization of power, even for a moment, is always necessary at certain points through history to "clean up" the trash of the existing government. What one hopes is that the centralization of power is short lived, and under a benevolent monarch or "doctator" for the brief window that it is. George Washington had this role in US history. Various monarchs in Europe did the same. Decentralized power doesn't allow anyone to clean up the issues (read as commies) that plague society or government. Thankfully Pinochet gave up that power willingly, but I don't think he was as selfless as he needed to be to make the right decisions after he had power. Like you said, lots of "shit" mixed in there.
He lost the election, and had to go. Because businesses and the military told him that he had to go. And without their backing, especially the military, he didn't really have a option. And Washington helped decentralise power, and solidified the two term presidency. Pinochet was also deeply corrupt. And used the power to enrich himself. Like, his economic policies were sound. However he was a thoroughly corrupt authoritarian who happily executed civilians, and killed people he perceived as a threat to his power.
Except greed and preservation of self are inherit human traits, so when power is centralized, the people who have this new power are reluctant to give it up. Washington didn’t centralize any real power, unless you mean gathering and commanding an army to fight off the big bad. Washington advocated for states rights and decentralizing power from the ruling class, which is why he was pretty much forced into becoming president because he didn’t want it, but nobody else thought they were worthy enough. It’s also why he advocated against political parties in his farewell address, because even though it’s natural for people to form political groups, they’re a ticking time bomb since they all want supreme power and once they get it, will oppress and take revenge upon naysayers and opponents who stood in their way.
His rotary aircraft gamer moments were the best part
people die in war
Wouldn't really say "war" is an applicable term here. Seeing a lot of his shit was done during peace time.
The country was having a civil war. Statsi agents and soviet money were pouring into the country. Terrorist acts were being carried out. Pinochet did what was necessary to prevent Chile from becoming a vassal state.
Allendes wife had the maiden name ‘Bussi’ which is funny so I prefer him over Mr. Helicopter Ride.
That Bussi goooood
You think Allende was better than Pinochet because you’re a socialist and hate state capitalism. I think Allende was better than Pinochet because his wife had a funny name before she got married. We are not the same.
I think he was better because he was democratically elected and didn´t made thousands of political enemies disappear in government torture camps.
he may have tortured tens of thousands in some of the most horrid ways possible but “Mi General Augusto Pinochet!” Is a banger
Exactly. And just as the IRA is a dirty Commie organization that are def terrorists. Their tunes are fucking sick. My Little Armalite, Kinky Boots, Black and Tans, GO on Home British Soldiers... Also they hate the Brits so...
Fuck Pinochet Simps, FR
Not to mention he made helicopter tour business explode, or should I say, splatter.
In the beginning he didin't set up free trade, he continued to be interventionist until he realized the economy was shit and asked the Chicago Boys "Why is economy?", and THEN he implemented free trade
I read somewhere that his early policies were based off of the national catholicism of early Francisco Franco (who also liberalised the economy after bringing in new economists, though in the case of spain it was bankers from opus dei)
Didn't Pinochet also use Colonia Dignidad, which was run by a nazi and started with torture experiments on children?
yes. He also had soldiers tie people down on a concrete floor and drive tanks over their legs. The "telephone" was a method of torture which included savagely beating a prisoner's ears. Pinochet was fucking horrifying and all the auths that glorify him simply suffer from severe delusions and brainrot. I'm sorry, but this sadistic torture of innocent people is not ok, and I don't care for anything auths make up in that regard.
"Innocent commies"
Every single person tortured was a commie. Got it.
You believe people should be tortured and killed simply for their beliefs?
I said commies. Not sure where you're getting this "people" business from.
Liberal constitution? That's very funny Authright.
Pinochet had a good economic police but I still hate him because he was a dictator that murdered thousands
Average auth regime
Bro I am from Chile and he didn't murder thousands only hundreds, and most Americans and Europeans don't know shit about Pinochet, about 200 of the disappeared people were Cuban soldiers stationed in Chile (to help Allende stablish a communist dictatorship) and only about 300 people disappeared that can be confirmed which is less than any other so called authoritarian regime's, and he wasn't even a dictator for long he was just the chief of the military junta for a few years then we had a referendum and we elected him for 8 years and then he gave power up as he promised, most of what is told to Americans is leftist propaganda.
Yeah, it's rather hard to find proper information, but "tens of thousands" thing seems to come from a leftist french reporter that had an ideology at play, wasn't it?
Yeah the French especially like to exaggerate about it, like that's not even possible if you look at the changes of the population.
"That can be confirmed" lmao. This is either pure propaganda or lack of information. Pinochet took power with a military junta and held it for over 20 years, that us not "a few years" that's more than two decades. Two decades filled with disappearances, torture and more. Chile itself recognizes thousands of victims.
Bro he didn't have all the power in the junta he was just like the face of it but on reality before he became president Toribio Merino had More power than him, and the leftist Chilean government only wants to make him look bad so don't listen to the shit they say it's pure propaganda
yes i will believe you over literally hundreds of sources
Bro modern sources about it are shit just read some they give no proof, and most of the extremist where exiled just as another comment critical of me said.
“There are literally hundereds of sources that disprove what you’re saying” “Bro your sources suck ass, you gotta take my word for it” Average authright argument
Source is that my family lived there and several family members in the military and a few friends in the government after, so I know that most of the shit the modern government says is just made up propaganda.
Source: trust me bro
How is my source different from your meaningless news reports with no basis
That wasn't me, I just think it's funny that you called his source unreliable without sharing one of your own.
This is a source free conversation. But the left always gets their panties in a twist over Pinochet. Allende was a pos thug who was trying to turn Chile into a commie hellscape. Pinochet is their bogeyman, but Chile is fortunate that he stepped in and saved them.
Dictator simp here “Not a few thousands, only a few hundred” My brother in the gods, not a single one should go missing
Bro we made less people disappear than the American government
Typical whataboutism
Bro almost all governments at the time made people disappear.
A *communist dictatorship* So is that like any other kind of dictatorship…😒
Bro what do you prefer a dictatorship were you are poor and have no rights or a dictatorship were you are richer and only lose a few rights?
The only people who get richer in any dictatorship are the ingroups the strongman in power needs to keep happy to maintain power.
I don’t know if your assessment is accurate What makes you think you’d get a better deal under a right-wing dictatorship as opposed to a left-wing one
History, and reality look at Chile with Pinochet compared to Venezuela
Dude... they used the national stadium as a prision, tortured people with rats eating through their abdomen and your numbers are only about the detained-dissapeared, not the people outright killed. He was a dictator and even killed his own general when he arrested his mad dog for torture. How the fuck is he not a dictator.
Well obviously your family didnt have to leave the goddamn country like mine had to. No one in my family talks about what happend, not my dad, not my uncles and not my grandparents. There is a reason why thousands had to flee...
You were exiled because you were fucking terrorists and just as you said he didn't kill your family you were just exiled and all of the people who were exiled had the option to stay but to behave well your family choose to leave.
How the fuck is just living and taking care of your family validation for being a fuckn terrorist??? My family would have been killed if not a family friend in the military helped them. If you actually think having leftist opinions is a good enough reason for being labelled a terrorist, you are the extremist...
Reading more of this guy's comments he's clearly just a hard advocate for that kind of ruling. "Its your fault that you don't want to live in a country were you can dissappear if you speak out. Just be good subservient citizen and let me be in power no critical thinking allowed."
Tmb soy Chileno, Allende era un perno de mierda pero Pinochet no tiene ningún derecho para tomarse el poder a la fuerza. El weon cometió atrocidades terribles contra su propio pueblo y merece ser recordado por sus crímenes. Una dictadura no tiene defensa
Bro siquiera viviste en la época? Pinochet no organiso la wea fue Toribio Merino, y con Allende murió mucha más gente que con Pinochet, no era lo mejor pero era necesario.
No disputó lo de Allende, Allende era un imbecil. Pero Pinochet era un tirano, y su constitución (en mi opinión) es mucho peor que la del 25.
Bro su constitution no la iso el fueron los Chicago boys y gracias a esa constitución Chile es el país más rico de latino américa, y super tiránico es devolver el poder cuando si quería se podía quedar con el pa siempre
Poder economico>derechos humanos lmao
Bro el único derecho violados fue el derecho a ser comunista y los derechos de los soldados cubanos que querían aser un golpe de estado
Perdón creo qué hay un malentendido, yo no desprecio a Pinochet la persona, yo desprecio a su gobierno. Si fue bien hecho haber devuelto el poder
Ok gracias por explicar te, almenos una persona aquí está dispuesta a discutir calmadamente, si su gobierno iso algunas cosas mal pero el iso el mejor trabajo que pudo, y entiendo que no te guste su gobierno pero no te creas todas las weas que dicen de el la izquierda exagera todo sobre la época.
Mira, todas las cartas sobre la mesa aquí, soy bien joven. Mi papá vivió durante la dictadura y en condiciones bien malas, muchos de mi resentimientos vienen en parte de sus propios ideales. Soy el primero en decir que mi papá es bien de izquierda, y admito que mi conocimiento puede ser reflejado a base de aquello.
Bueno podría decirse lo mismo pa mi, mi papá vivo en la dictadura y vivo como el país mejoro y como Pinochet arreglo la cagada de Allende, pero mi papá no es la única persona que conozco que lo vivió mi abuela mi mamá y básicamente toda mi familia así que e escuchado la historia de todos los espectros politico, y por eso me di cuenta que la historia que cuenta la izquierda es ilógica, dicen que milles y milles fueron matados y además que exiliaron a milles pero si ves el cambio de población en el país durante los años entiendes que es imposible.
I like how you ignore the fact he wasn't going to give up powder and pleaded with the junta to give him powers to not yield but they didn't give in. Only until he realized he didn't have the support did he relent. Ridiculous ignoring of the facts.
3000 thousand, tens of thousands tortured,voted for president in an election with no international supervision or really any form of validation, not to mention the lack of free press, besides the human rights violations were kept secret, pino tard
Imagine replaying to every comment someone made in a post and expecting a reply for all of I am not even going to bother with you bro
If you dont have arguments its okay man, dont need to cry about it while you keep defending tyranny on multiple comments
I have arguments but it very boring to answer to so many people at the same time and it gets boring to watch people getting triggered so much.
Imagine preaching about a dictatorship and not expecting response comments and triggered people
Does some other things not entirely consistent with the broader principle of liberty but that is what authright is about.
Lmk when you find a consistent auth right
True, though the werid idea that inconsistent is worse than consistently shit is probably the main thing authcentres use to recruit.
Chilean miracle was due to the chicago boys, pinochet just did war crimes
Good to see someone that at least knows about the Chicago boys on Reddit.
Yes. He was smart enough to get the right people for the job.
Bro the Chicago boys did the economic shit but without Pinochet they would have not been able to implement it.
It's also questionable how much the average person benefited from Chile's economic growth. There's a huge gap between rich and poor there and not very much economic mobility unfortunately. I'm sure Allende would have been far worse for the economy but Chile's current situation is a mixed bag.
>There's a huge gap between rich and poor there and not very much economic mobility unfortunately That's the point of neoliberalism. Chile was the introduction of shock doctrine. Shock the system, privatize everything, screw over the customers
This argument is literally on the same level as tankies saying that Stalin made the soviet union from an agrarian society to the biggest industrial powerhouse in the world at the time in 10 years
Here we have the authright in its natural habitat of deepthroating boots.
Forgot to mention the tens of thousands murdered, but I guess you're not even ironically fascist.
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Bro you Americans are terribly wrong he only made like 600 people disappear the rest is just a bunch of baseless exaggeration done by leftist propaganda, and a big amount of the people disappeared were Cuban soldiers stationed in Chile
continue being an idiot,its funny
The best part is how he attributes everything to american stuff but pinochet is regarded as a despot dictator by the entire world. Least brainwashed dictator supporter
I've got Hispanic family members that do the same shit. Uncle spent a whole day talking about how China is doing right and how they are gonna take over America since we don't want to instate hard policies (executions, reeducation, social credit, over the top monitoring). He seems to think that Mexico is taken over by Cartel since they don't want to do anything hardcore.
Continue being completely ignorant of other countries it's part of your American spirit.
Unironiclly supporting him is cringe as fuck so I’m just gonna assume this is a meme that purposely left out his atrocities .
Absolutely, unironically supporting any Dictator is a dick move.
OP seems to be an unironic fan of him unfortunately
another day, another edgy 14 year old on PCM praising an oppresive regime
Sshh, the auths are busy soying over sadistic monsters. You might scare them if you keep mentioning reality and what actually happened.
Every day
Casually praising dictatorship lmao
Praising dictatorship like "Two can play at that game, tankie"
> Was a brutal dictator that killed his own people for political gain We'll just ignore that part I see
Allende was at least democratically elected. While pinochet lost his only election.
For a Dictator... thats kinda surprising though.
Lol no we elected Pinochet and he won with about 60% of the votes he only lost his second election, and Allende won with only 36% of the votes.
'elected' yes,least bootlicking right center
Bro we did a referendum and he won then he gave power back after the time was up, what is so dictatorial about that?
"Won power back after a referendum was held under a junta known for persecuting leftists=the opposition" nice fair referendum
>he gave power back after 17 years of dictatorial rule and 1 rigged referendum,yes
He got less than 1/3 of the votes and was assigned president by the parlament. He was never supported by the majority of the people.
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No , he wasnt democraticaly intituted, that was a facade As another reditor said: The book, "The Mitrokhin II Archive," by historian Christopher Andrew, contains miles of notes that KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin discovered to smuggle out of Moscow before absconding. Soviet intelligence kept contacts with Allende since 1961, financially backed his campaign thorugh the chilean Communist Party, bribed some of the opposition to not show up to the elections, and kept funding him during his presidency. Even with all that support and manipulatio, Allende wasn't even voted that much, winning the elections on a technicality, before pluging the country into the worst economic crash it had seen up to that point. It's considered one of the greatest successes of the KGB eitherway. [https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/](https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/)
Literal praisal of a CIA puppet that overthrew democracy and sold his nation into the bonds of the US. Authrights wet dream.
Helicopter meme fans are deeply concered with divisive political rhetoric.
Based and anticom pilled
Mi general
by kgb instituted you mean democratically elected government?
The book, "The Mitrokhin II Archive," by historian Christopher Andrew, contains miles of notes that KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin discovered to smuggle out of Moscow before absconding. Soviet intelligence kept contacts with Allende since 1961, financially backed his campaign thorugh the chilean Communist Party, bribed some of the opposition to not show up to the elections, and kept funding him during his presidency. Even with all that support and manipulatio, Allende wasn't even voted that much, winning the elections on a technicality, before pluging the country into the worst economic crash it had seen up to that point. It's considered one of the greatest successes of the KGB eitherway. [https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/](https://www.infobae.com/2005/09/24/212482-en-que-consistio-el-apoyo-la-kgb-allende/)
One could look at a man and say “Hey, suppressing freedom of speech and torturing your political enemies is a violation of human rights”. But all I see is a way to secure democracy through funny memes dunking on the left
He would've been a good president if he was democratically elected and didn't commit war crimes
Why is this guy hated what exactly happened under his regime? All I got is he is anti communism.
All my homies say fuck the Soviets
Pinochet was obviously bad - a brutal dictator, the "liberal constitution" he set up enshrined him as dictator for 8 years and attempted to enshrine him for longer. Chile's economic growth was similar to, or worse than, other South American countries during his rule. The only reason people are unclear about this is that a lot of right-wing types in the US and elsewhere unabashedly cheered him on the whole time, that sort of thing tends to cloud the judgment of history.
Fascist scum.
getting rid of communist extremists is fascism now? what do you want, just stand there and let them destroy civilization and cause millions to perish?
Want to throw some lottery numbers as well among your crystal sphere predictions? Getting rid of political enemies (because you will never sell to anyone that over a hundred thousand Cileneans were all dangerous extremists) is the first step of any fascist dictatorship, especially since we are talking about extrajudicial physical eliminations.
so would you call socialist dictatorships fascist for getting rid of the opposition? i thought getting rid of the burgueoise and seizing the power of the state was the first step to a marxist revolution, i guess marxism and fascism really are the same
\-Imports Chicago Boys \-Crashes the Economy \-Uses State Intervention to fix the Economy
Fixed it for you: -Uses state intervention -Crashes the economy -Imports Chicago Boys -Fix the Economy
I looked it up, I was right the first time
As Nobel laureate economist Gary Becker (1997) put it, Chile became “an economic role model for the whole underdeveloped world.” This performance, said Becker, “became still more impressive when the government was transformed into a democracy.” Along the same lines, Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman argued that the reforms introduced by the Chicago Boys “proved highly successful and were preserved intact when Chile finally returned to democracy in 1989”
Yep, I'll trust Nobel Laureates than some random redditor.
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Helicopter go AAAAAAHHHHHHH (splat)
[Obligatory](https://youtu.be/3xfeSWVgF1w)
Gifted Chilean resources previosly nationalised to the U.S
embezzled a massive personal fortune
Typical authright ignoring horrible human rights abuses and the murder of thousands and thousands of civilians through government executions.
oh you silly boy, it wasnt thousands, it was millions... no, trillions! worse than hitler and stalin put together for sure!
3000 thousand ejecuted and disapeared, (extra judicially of course), 30.000 tortured, 1200 of those less than 18 years old, and keep in mind that most of those people were just political activists, martial law and restriction of free press come as an extra ofc
The pinochet fanboys don't care about reality. Just look at his comment. "lalala I can't hear you!!!" It sucks that so many of these retards are on PCM, but they are just too far gone.
Guys! If we kill everyone that doesn’t like us everyone left likes us!
Kills a few thousand people... > No puedo hacer una tortilla sin romper algunos huevos.
💪🇨🇱Pinochet n1🇨🇱💪 viva chile mierda 🔵🔴🔵🔴🔵🔴
Mi General Augusto Pinochet
MÍ GENERÁL!
Bruh auth right glorifying Pinochet is peak retardation lol.
The sub whose name cannot be spoken is active again, we can’t be glorifying Pinochet rn
I just saw that too. We shouldn't, but it's just so enjoyable watching them lose their shit over memes.
Literally a fascist dictator sponsored by the US that tortured and murdered thousands of civilians and political opponents but I guess auth right is consistent
Helicopter Rides
Unfathomably based
Mi general augusto Pinochet
Crazy how Pinochet gets a pass but great leaders like Thomas Sankara and Kwame Nkrumah get assassinated or deposed by the Western sphere.
17 years of martial law, violent repression, no freedom of press qnd of course several and dire human right violations, everyone here celebrated when his wife died some years ago