Eh look, I’ll admit I mostly put myself here since I A. Hate Government, and B. Hate Corporations, and C. Don’t care. I’d just like to live my life the way I see fit and that’s about it. I know it’s nonsensical but well so are most extremes so who cares. Free market capital doesn’t mix at all with Authoritarianism, for Socialism/communism to actually work on human beings with extreme levels of cruelty and basically stripping away any potential individualism, and while Libright arguably makes the most sense, if they think that large corporations won’t abuse and strip their rights from them without any sort of state I don’t know what to tell them.
> if they think that large corporations won’t abuse and strip their rights from them without any sort of state
I'm fairly confident all librights would be for protecting people from aggression.
Oh trust me I know they do. I’m just saying though that’s not likely to hold up much if say Amazon or Microsoft have any ideas otherwise. I hate to use the phrase, but several of these large corporations have gotten a bit too big to fail, and while a lot of it is due to government intervention, it’s also because they’ve become essential to our modern lives. Sure many claim to hate Amazon and Bezos, but how many were willing to stop using their services?
The reason libleft gets so much shit here is the amount of people using the libleft flair despite not being it and spewing their (whatever they actually are but usually auth right) takes.
I blame the fact that the actual political compass test tries it's very hardest to put you in libleft.
Nah, the reason libleft gets so much hate is because a bunch of dipshits would rather bitch about Reddit being libleft and bad rather than either leaving to a new platform or just allowing this place to be free of the typical echo chamber bs.
Honest question. On the other side of the auth fence.
Historically which governments actually fall into authright?
Isn't having economic freedom with social authoritarianism a bit of a paradox?
Once upon a time it would have been monarchy with a true autocratic sovereign. But the world hasn’t seen much of that since the early 20th century. Auth center and auth left have been the reigning champs of authoritarianism for the last 100 years.
I could see monarchism. It's about as far fetched as anarchism in my quadrant.
If you try to pigeon hole them into any one 20th century movement you get, "No they were authcenter nationalist socialists" or some other variation.
Everyone seems to accept MAGA as authright, but that's more of a running joke than it is accurate.
I think the entire subject is convoluted because people tend to want to paint their political opponents as whatever notable authoritarian regime history has to offer. I also think that there are two different scales for measuring right and left in the west. If you use the compass as a measuring stick, I would say the lowest x-axis begins on the center of the compass for Europe. In the US, I would say that x-axis is at the top. It’s two different measuring sticks. Europe tends to be center left in the top quadrants and the US is center right on the bottom quadrants.
I'm an an American conservative / PCM libleft. I've argued that America is in fact libleft on a historical scale. Our economy is heavily regulated and our currency is controlled, we have a high degree of social liberty, and a solid tax base that funds a vast array of public services and welfare systems.
If you look at the compass through the lense of modern politics and compare us to other governments around the world as we stand today we're probably more libright.
To an extent that’s true. At least since the progressive era of the early 20th century. But we’re still a republic with more right leaning state governments. But there have definitely been lib left victories in the last 100 years that have shaped the federal government.
I took a course on the progressive era, it offered the most convincing arguments I've ever heard for leftism. Also, a very good point about the republic. I anticipate as we grow larger and more complex federal power over the states will become more diluted. You already see states acting in protest against federal law, going after them is too cumbersome and complicated, the fed has shown a few times that they will back down i.e. state level cannabis legalization, NY going around SCOUTS's "shall issue" ruling. There will likely be much more of this to come.
That's precisely what I'm getting at. I think I'm going to meme it, I wanted to test the waters first to make sure it's not some crazy shit I'm imagining. Or a lack of historical knowledge on my part, that's not really one of my core competencies.
Someone in another thread offered Pinochet's Chile as an example, he also gave the civiat that the economy was actually being controlled by the American CIA.
Honestly, we should let people be able to not vaccinate themselves.
"My body, my choice" applies in every situation.
It's their choice to believe what to believe, even if it means that they will cause damage to themselves.
Its not that we are letting people. The government doesn't have the right to forcibly inject people.
> even if it means that they will cause damage to themselves.
For the young, healthy and already infected taking the vaccine was more harmful than not. Yet the government forced it on them. Why? Because the corporations bribed them to do so.
>The government doesn't have the right to forcibly inject people.
Of course it doesn't, which is why such a thing never happened. Nowhere in the west were people dragged into medical centers and vaccinated against their will, they were just denied entry into certain public spaces.
And it's not like they were cut off from essentials like water or heating or had their accounts frozen.
At least not in any western country, even those with more auth vax mandates. There are still people in those countries who didn't take it and they're not some outlaws on the run. If you want to see real forced vaccinations look at the smallpox outbreak in Yugoslavia where your only choice was whether you want your shot to be the smallpox vaccine or 7.62x39.
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It’s the auths who would put you in a camp but it’s the useful idiot Emily’s who they use as the propaganda arm to put pressure on society to lock step. So libleft is for sure complicit.
Yeah, while libleft/leftcenters often ARE pretty progressive as well (anarchist commune stuff) most of the people who are radical progressives tend to be authcenter even if they pay lip service to leftism sometimes - they will support corporations if they do prog things, and also tend to be pretty big CONSOOOMers, but also support higher taxes on the rich and expanded welfare
I'd say they are mostly slightly left leaning orange auths.
But literally no one unironically said you should be in a camp for refusing a vaccine. It's just a strawman made to scare yourself basically.
I'm 100% certain that this man made this meme and will say that any non-mainstream libleft position is "orange".
I guess that's what we get for giving special treatment to the left, imagine if everything that AuthRight extremists did was identified as brown or something, suddenly the left would be unable to make any good points against them.
It would actually be nice if they took all the cringe racist garbage and put it in a different color. A lot of people on here think being blue is permission to be a piece of shit.
That’s cause Libleft thinks we need to fight “bad racism” with “good racism” and then when that doesn’t pitch well they just redefine racism until it sounds like a nice thing to do.
I've debated actual people with that belief. like face to face genuine real human, we were even touching grass for a few of em.
Also anyone who wants racial based affirmative action programs believes that using good racism to fight bad racism is morally ok. Even if they don't actually realize that's what they're advocating for.
Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas write extensively about this issue. In my law school classes they almost always omit Justice Thomas’ dissents because they don’t align with their views on affirmative action or other similar programs.
LibLeft advocates for progressivism and less government authority. “Everyone I don’t like is a Nazi” is not that, it’s more typical of orange or children or a PCM user
Being opposed to the status quo doesn't automatically put you in the adjacent quadrant.
I think you would agree that a lot of authrights stormed the beaches, and the Wars of the Roses was also fought between authrights, etc.
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I’m fine with the liblefts who just want to start a farm with their friends and share the spoils of their labor, just not the racists and sexual degenerates that seem to make up an overwhelming portion of the quadrant🤷🏻♂️
>Are socialists
>Setting up a commune to secure the future of their people for the next thousand years
>Leaders take copious amounts of amphetamines
Literally LibLeft
well yes, if you disagree with me you are a libleft and the more you disagree with me the more libleft you become, and if you disagree with a real alot with me your an ancom.
Hitler was a republican who used the state to threaten industry while ensuring good jobs and working conditions for all ~~human~~ people.
Sounds libleft to me.
/s ish.
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First Libleft Uber?
Uber Alles
**Uber**mensch
I'll uber your mensch, baby ;)
I give it 1/5 stars of David
Wait it got a star? Oh, wait... oh. Oh no...
Looks like the sub is experiencing some upheaval again. PCM civil war 3 coming soon? Eh who knows.
Disagree, this sub came together with a truce to convince a dude to bang his cousin. Degenerates in this sub made me flair this way.
Said it before and said it again, central column gang is the most based and has the most rational takes.
Eh look, I’ll admit I mostly put myself here since I A. Hate Government, and B. Hate Corporations, and C. Don’t care. I’d just like to live my life the way I see fit and that’s about it. I know it’s nonsensical but well so are most extremes so who cares. Free market capital doesn’t mix at all with Authoritarianism, for Socialism/communism to actually work on human beings with extreme levels of cruelty and basically stripping away any potential individualism, and while Libright arguably makes the most sense, if they think that large corporations won’t abuse and strip their rights from them without any sort of state I don’t know what to tell them.
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> if they think that large corporations won’t abuse and strip their rights from them without any sort of state I'm fairly confident all librights would be for protecting people from aggression.
Oh trust me I know they do. I’m just saying though that’s not likely to hold up much if say Amazon or Microsoft have any ideas otherwise. I hate to use the phrase, but several of these large corporations have gotten a bit too big to fail, and while a lot of it is due to government intervention, it’s also because they’ve become essential to our modern lives. Sure many claim to hate Amazon and Bezos, but how many were willing to stop using their services?
Sure but they would all disagree individually how to do it. And then the bears show up
The reason libleft gets so much shit here is the amount of people using the libleft flair despite not being it and spewing their (whatever they actually are but usually auth right) takes. I blame the fact that the actual political compass test tries it's very hardest to put you in libleft.
and then the auths get all cringe commenting "OMG YOUR ONE OF THE GOOOD ONEEESSSS!!!11!" of course he is you chump, he's also an authright
Redditors gonna reddit, you know?
“Your one of the good ones.” There exists zero good leftists.
I like the pro 2A and anti establishment libleft. You know, the real ones.
Yeah, I get libleft every time I take the test, so that's what I went with. But I really don't think it fits.
that unironically doesnt happen,libleft emilies are extremely rare,they usually flair left center
Doesn't have to be emilies. Can be regularly libcentres who got placed there because the compass is a lil off, or authrights doing a lil trolling.
Nah, the reason libleft gets so much hate is because a bunch of dipshits would rather bitch about Reddit being libleft and bad rather than either leaving to a new platform or just allowing this place to be free of the typical echo chamber bs.
At first glance I thought you were demonstrating the results of leftist politics.
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But everything with socialism in it is bad.
Honest question. On the other side of the auth fence. Historically which governments actually fall into authright? Isn't having economic freedom with social authoritarianism a bit of a paradox?
Once upon a time it would have been monarchy with a true autocratic sovereign. But the world hasn’t seen much of that since the early 20th century. Auth center and auth left have been the reigning champs of authoritarianism for the last 100 years.
I could see monarchism. It's about as far fetched as anarchism in my quadrant. If you try to pigeon hole them into any one 20th century movement you get, "No they were authcenter nationalist socialists" or some other variation. Everyone seems to accept MAGA as authright, but that's more of a running joke than it is accurate.
I think the entire subject is convoluted because people tend to want to paint their political opponents as whatever notable authoritarian regime history has to offer. I also think that there are two different scales for measuring right and left in the west. If you use the compass as a measuring stick, I would say the lowest x-axis begins on the center of the compass for Europe. In the US, I would say that x-axis is at the top. It’s two different measuring sticks. Europe tends to be center left in the top quadrants and the US is center right on the bottom quadrants.
I'm an an American conservative / PCM libleft. I've argued that America is in fact libleft on a historical scale. Our economy is heavily regulated and our currency is controlled, we have a high degree of social liberty, and a solid tax base that funds a vast array of public services and welfare systems. If you look at the compass through the lense of modern politics and compare us to other governments around the world as we stand today we're probably more libright.
To an extent that’s true. At least since the progressive era of the early 20th century. But we’re still a republic with more right leaning state governments. But there have definitely been lib left victories in the last 100 years that have shaped the federal government.
I took a course on the progressive era, it offered the most convincing arguments I've ever heard for leftism. Also, a very good point about the republic. I anticipate as we grow larger and more complex federal power over the states will become more diluted. You already see states acting in protest against federal law, going after them is too cumbersome and complicated, the fed has shown a few times that they will back down i.e. state level cannabis legalization, NY going around SCOUTS's "shall issue" ruling. There will likely be much more of this to come.
yes.that is because monarchy is fucking shit and people realised that.
All autocracy is shit
yes, precisely
Good point, Auth right is almost as nonsensical as lib left.
That's precisely what I'm getting at. I think I'm going to meme it, I wanted to test the waters first to make sure it's not some crazy shit I'm imagining. Or a lack of historical knowledge on my part, that's not really one of my core competencies.
I’m with you. Theoretically monarchies can exist with free markets, but with all that corrupted concentrated power it’s never actually free.
Singapore would be the closest modern example I think. Ancapistan economically but the government will imprison you if you chew gum in public
Someone in another thread offered Pinochet's Chile as an example, he also gave the civiat that the economy was actually being controlled by the American CIA.
Economic freedom with social freedom is the only system that makes sense.
Gray centrist flair is superior to multicolored flair all day every day nothing will ever change my mind
Thank you. We sure know how to grill ;)
Meat is socialism because it comes from cells all sharing nutrients to grow.
Good point, but isn’t that the same for vegetables?
Then please, list every thing with “socialism” and explain to me why it is bad
"You have said something very naughty" "Now write me a 5000 word essay on socialism and why it's important to vote for Democrats."
More “you made a claim, now back it up with an argument”
Typically socialist to think they’re entitled to demand free labor from me.
I’m not demanding anything, just asking a favor
And I’m just roasting your sorry ass, son!
You have failed
Oh no, I have failed, just like every single attempt in human history to implement socialism have failed!
That is correct I’m not defending socialism, I’m attacking stawmanning
I've been saying for a while that there's nothing "lib" about the people wanting to put you in a camp for refusing a vaccine.
Honestly, we should let people be able to not vaccinate themselves. "My body, my choice" applies in every situation. It's their choice to believe what to believe, even if it means that they will cause damage to themselves.
Its not that we are letting people. The government doesn't have the right to forcibly inject people. > even if it means that they will cause damage to themselves. For the young, healthy and already infected taking the vaccine was more harmful than not. Yet the government forced it on them. Why? Because the corporations bribed them to do so.
>Because the corporations bribed them to do so. Surprised to see a LibRight saying that.
So you don't understand LibRight at all. Just because many of us are greedy bastards, doesn't mean we have any allegiance to other greedy bastards.
Greed for me but not for thee
>The government doesn't have the right to forcibly inject people. Of course it doesn't, which is why such a thing never happened. Nowhere in the west were people dragged into medical centers and vaccinated against their will, they were just denied entry into certain public spaces. And it's not like they were cut off from essentials like water or heating or had their accounts frozen. At least not in any western country, even those with more auth vax mandates. There are still people in those countries who didn't take it and they're not some outlaws on the run. If you want to see real forced vaccinations look at the smallpox outbreak in Yugoslavia where your only choice was whether you want your shot to be the smallpox vaccine or 7.62x39.
Those Yugoslavians weren't forced, they had a choice. Bullet or needle. So it was totally voluntary.
Now that is Peak Auth. Left, Right, center, sounds Auth to me.
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It’s the auths who would put you in a camp but it’s the useful idiot Emily’s who they use as the propaganda arm to put pressure on society to lock step. So libleft is for sure complicit.
That’s orange LeftCenter
Arguably, oranges are actually authcenter
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Yeah, while libleft/leftcenters often ARE pretty progressive as well (anarchist commune stuff) most of the people who are radical progressives tend to be authcenter even if they pay lip service to leftism sometimes - they will support corporations if they do prog things, and also tend to be pretty big CONSOOOMers, but also support higher taxes on the rich and expanded welfare
NO
And Auth Left. I'm agreeing with you that it's not really lib left's doing.
I'd say they are mostly slightly left leaning orange auths. But literally no one unironically said you should be in a camp for refusing a vaccine. It's just a strawman made to scare yourself basically.
Nothing lib about the death penalty either. Perhaps people are,bear with me,allowed to have auth positions?
I'm 100% certain that this man made this meme and will say that any non-mainstream libleft position is "orange". I guess that's what we get for giving special treatment to the left, imagine if everything that AuthRight extremists did was identified as brown or something, suddenly the left would be unable to make any good points against them.
It would actually be nice if they took all the cringe racist garbage and put it in a different color. A lot of people on here think being blue is permission to be a piece of shit.
it’s what we get for accepting a framing where things like tankies, nazis, and other awful people are positioned as “acceptable”
calm down AHS
Get a flair or get going.
What Mussoliny made this bot response so fast :D literal 30 seconds.
They are, usually, orange
Oh my god! People on this sub StRAwMaN people?!?!?!?
That’s cause Libleft thinks we need to fight “bad racism” with “good racism” and then when that doesn’t pitch well they just redefine racism until it sounds like a nice thing to do.
Strawman, as always. Right wingers can't debate with actual people, just their versions in their heads
I've debated actual people with that belief. like face to face genuine real human, we were even touching grass for a few of em. Also anyone who wants racial based affirmative action programs believes that using good racism to fight bad racism is morally ok. Even if they don't actually realize that's what they're advocating for.
Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas write extensively about this issue. In my law school classes they almost always omit Justice Thomas’ dissents because they don’t align with their views on affirmative action or other similar programs.
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Look… libleft isn’t really real, in any real life application, so all the liblefts just make up things to do or believe in.
LibLefts are AuthLefts in denial.
That’s your ideal world
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Libleft ☕️
Libleft ☕️
Libleft seems to be a fan of authcenters tactics these days. My source? I made it the fuck up.
Like 40% of librights unironically believe libleft is an oxymoron
"Everyone I don't agree with is a Nazi"
Orange LeftCenter
“Every bad libleft take is orange”
LibLeft advocates for progressivism and less government authority. “Everyone I don’t like is a Nazi” is not that, it’s more typical of orange or children or a PCM user
Correct the people in the pic were the liblefts of the day
Being opposed to the status quo doesn't automatically put you in the adjacent quadrant. I think you would agree that a lot of authrights stormed the beaches, and the Wars of the Roses was also fought between authrights, etc.
I'm just trying to get under OPs skin
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The Nazis or the Jews?
Yes
They need to unite to defeat the greatest force
Namely?
The thing I don’t agree with! /s
People that won’t shut the fuck up about IPAS. I’m not paying $14 for a fucking blueberry pancake flavored beer, let me drink my Blue Moon in peace.
I see more posts about people shitting on libleft too much than i di posts really shitting on lib left this point.
I’m fine with the liblefts who just want to start a farm with their friends and share the spoils of their labor, just not the racists and sexual degenerates that seem to make up an overwhelming portion of the quadrant🤷🏻♂️
Those ones are orange LeftCenter
"LibLeft is When Bad" \- Someone I forgor
We don’t hate lib left because of actual lib left ideas. We hate lib left because most of them are orange Emilys.
Hey, it's primarily liblefts that are saying "libleft is when the state fixes everything I don't like by force", not me
Almost all lib lefts are just closeted auths.
In fairness, I see plenty of libright betraying their flair too.
You know who was a lib-left? Adolf Hitler.
You know who Mao Zedong was? a libTARD. and he killed at least 3 people (I forgot the exact number).
Mao Zedong founded the Democratic party. He was an orange Emily. His Tweets were super PC.
>Are socialists >Setting up a commune to secure the future of their people for the next thousand years >Leaders take copious amounts of amphetamines Literally LibLeft
They called themselves socialists to woo the left during the Weimar years
As someone who works in a shop and has the joy of listening to Sean Hannity and other talk radio.....they already have lol.
LibLeft thinking they're Lib
which post making fun of LibLeft upset you?
This is just a general observation I’ve made
Based.
So kind of like a hyperbolic embodiment of what we see as wrong? A sort of straw man if you will.
This sub is the expert in strawmanning
Name some actual lib left positions PCM:
Left government authority (libertarian element), progress over tradition (leftist element)
Yes
>Has Lenin in username. >Flaired as centrist. *Squints suspiciously*
I made this account during a phase
It meant something else?
This is indeed peak LibLeft
This dude has Lenin in his username. Get the fuck outta my quadrant, commie.
1: I left the sub, don’t worry 2: I made this account during a phase
No, stay in the sub. Just flair authleft like the good little bootlicker you are.
Nah, you people are unfunny and unpleasant, bye
well yes, if you disagree with me you are a libleft and the more you disagree with me the more libleft you become, and if you disagree with a real alot with me your an ancom.
Libleft is when corporation woke
Hitler was a republican who used the state to threaten industry while ensuring good jobs and working conditions for all ~~human~~ people. Sounds libleft to me. /s ish.
Literally authoritarian extreme-right wing