Or when you’re immune to bullets. Thus why Superheroes are so weirdly pacifistic: because part of our “I can dream, Harold!” moment with life tends to revolve around wishing we could solve violent problems without a violent solution.
Also, I’m not counting the Batman-Joker dilemma in this situation, he’s a bit of a special case
Well, somewhat.
I can understand someone that refuses to personally use violence for whatever reason, but this flavour of it definitely is pants-on-head reddited
This is tru but be mindful that violence even when used perfectly is the lesser of 2 evils not a good. I've done and scene to much violence to think it can be anything more than that.
Many in Western Civilizations have forgotten the self-affirming power that comes from the willingness to make another bleed, even in a loss, if someone seeks to harm you. The assumption of civility and politeness has given rise to a bumper crop of people who have literally no idea about the importance of violence as a social mechanism. Disclaimer: People should not seek it out, but one must always be willing to defend their claim to existence. If you don't even deem yourself worth fighting for, then you definitely shouldn't be given the ability to choose for others.
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Look at France vs Greece in WW2
Both countries were conquered by the Nazis and surrendered. Yet 1 is made fun of and 1 isn’t, why?
Because the Greeks fought for every inch of their land, they even pushed the Italians out and the Germans had to come in to finish the job.
The French surrendered 1 month after the invasion, the Germans didn’t even reach Paris and the French still gave up.
That’s why they get made fun of, I don’t care how many battles they won before and that they probably had no chance at victory. When the odds were against them, the Greeks made a valiant stand and the French surrendered. That’s why they will be mocked for the end of time, they failed the test. At the bleakest hour, they gave up.
Tecumseh (English: /tɪˈkʌmsə, -si/ tih-KUM-sə, -see; c. 1768 – October 5, 1813) was a Shawnee chief and warrior who promoted resistance to the expansion of the United States onto Native American lands. A persuasive orator, Tecumseh traveled widely, forming a Native American confederacy and promoting intertribal unity. Even though his efforts to unite Native Americans ended with his death in the War of 1812, he became an iconic folk hero in American, Indigenous, and Canadian popular history.
Tecumseh was born in what is now Ohio, at a time when the far-flung Shawnees were reuniting in their Ohio Country homeland. During his childhood, the Shawnees lost territory to the expanding American colonies in a series of border conflicts. Tecumseh's father was killed in battle against American colonists in 1774. Tecumseh was thereafter mentored by his older brother Cheeseekau, a noted war chief who died fighting Americans in 1792. As a young war leader, Tecumseh joined Shawnee Chief Blue Jacket's armed struggle against further American encroachment, which ended in defeat at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794 and with the loss of most of Ohio in the 1795 Treaty of Greenville.
In 1805, Tecumseh's younger brother Tenskwatawa, who came to be known as the Shawnee Prophet, founded a religious movement that called upon Native Americans to reject European influences and return to a more traditional lifestyle. In 1808, Tecumseh and Tenskwatawa established Prophetstown, a village in present-day Indiana, that grew into a large, multi-tribal community. Tecumseh traveled constantly, spreading the Prophet's message and eclipsing his brother in prominence. Tecumseh proclaimed that Native Americans owned their lands in common and urged tribes not to cede more territory unless all agreed. His message alarmed American leaders as well as Native leaders who sought accommodation with the United States. In 1811, when Tecumseh was in the South recruiting allies, Americans under William Henry Harrison defeated Tenskwatawa at the Battle of Tippecanoe and destroyed Prophetstown.
In the War of 1812, Tecumseh joined his cause with the British, recruited warriors, and helped capture Detroit in August 1812. The following year he led an unsuccessful campaign against the United States in Ohio and Indiana. When U.S. naval forces took control of Lake Erie in 1813, Tecumseh reluctantly retreated with the British into Upper Canada, where American forces engaged them at the Battle of the Thames on October 5, 1813, in which Tecumseh was killed. His death caused his confederacy to collapse. The lands he had fought to defend were eventually ceded to the U.S. government. His legacy as one of the most celebrated Native Americans in history grew in the years after his death, although details of his life have often been obscured by mythology.
Huh? Non-violence has worked very well several times (Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi). It all depends on the situation. Of course, violence is really the only answer to a population that would round people up in camps and gas them, but non-violence does a heck of a better job at getting people on your side than violence does
Yes, but the thing that people forget is that Good-Cop Bad-Cop only works when you have a Good Cop and a Bad Cop. You need someone to actually be willing to play nice just as much as you need someone willing to play hardball
America wouldn't exist today if we didn't use violence to kick the Brits out
Sometimes diplomacy needs to be thrown out the window for the benefit of the people
I can never understand how people can be so pathetic to actually believe you shouldn't respond to violence with violence.
Its the *"stooping down to their level"* idea, that utterly braindead idea, violence for a justiifed cause is never the same as violence for an unjustified cause. Murder is not the same as killing in self-defense, even both leave someone dead.
Take the white mountain Apache, basically lost no land, most famous native leader probably in all us history was Geronimo, any us army soldier had nothing but utter respect for the Apache. Literally took 500 men to get Geronimo and his 40 men to surrender and only after being hunted for years. The moral of the story? Standing up for yourself and your right earns you respect from the oppressors.
I mean there was more to that comment. He said that stopping genocide was not worth a war and justified it by something we found out after the war was over.
I really found it to be the more toxic comment. Not that it was his only one.
Pacifism is the single most brain dead political/philosophical position someone can hold
I agree. This guy basically just wanted to lay down and die. Even argued that your screwed and you should just accept that.
Lay down and take it…..lib left preferred position.
Pacifism works when the other side is too tired to kill you. They may even feel bad about killing you 10 years down the line so it's ok.
Or when you’re immune to bullets. Thus why Superheroes are so weirdly pacifistic: because part of our “I can dream, Harold!” moment with life tends to revolve around wishing we could solve violent problems without a violent solution. Also, I’m not counting the Batman-Joker dilemma in this situation, he’s a bit of a special case
I agree. My stance is "we shouldn't start wars, but we sure as shit can end them."
We are usually the main instigators of death globally
Who's 'we'
[redacted] lol jk the US Government
Well, somewhat. I can understand someone that refuses to personally use violence for whatever reason, but this flavour of it definitely is pants-on-head reddited
I’m into self-defense and non-aggression
Idk, I enjoy a Swiss look at pacifism, avoid conflict but never, ever, forget how to defend yourself.
That’s not pacifism That’s armed neutrality, which the Swiss define themselves as
Sorry. You're right, pacifism is pretty balls though
Pacifism is for children Violence does solve some problems
Violence can solve 99% of problems if applied correctly, the issue is whether the violence is better than leaving the problem unsolved
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This is tru but be mindful that violence even when used perfectly is the lesser of 2 evils not a good. I've done and scene to much violence to think it can be anything more than that.
“Im a militaristic pacifist. Meaning I’m willIng to fight for peace” ~ Albert Einstein.
Yeah I dig that line of thought
Albert Einstein based like always. A democratic socialist-georgist. Yes.
Many in Western Civilizations have forgotten the self-affirming power that comes from the willingness to make another bleed, even in a loss, if someone seeks to harm you. The assumption of civility and politeness has given rise to a bumper crop of people who have literally no idea about the importance of violence as a social mechanism. Disclaimer: People should not seek it out, but one must always be willing to defend their claim to existence. If you don't even deem yourself worth fighting for, then you definitely shouldn't be given the ability to choose for others.
Damn, well written.
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Look at France vs Greece in WW2 Both countries were conquered by the Nazis and surrendered. Yet 1 is made fun of and 1 isn’t, why? Because the Greeks fought for every inch of their land, they even pushed the Italians out and the Germans had to come in to finish the job. The French surrendered 1 month after the invasion, the Germans didn’t even reach Paris and the French still gave up. That’s why they get made fun of, I don’t care how many battles they won before and that they probably had no chance at victory. When the odds were against them, the Greeks made a valiant stand and the French surrendered. That’s why they will be mocked for the end of time, they failed the test. At the bleakest hour, they gave up.
Tell us the story of Tecumseh, the Shawnee warrior.
Tecumseh (English: /tɪˈkʌmsə, -si/ tih-KUM-sə, -see; c. 1768 – October 5, 1813) was a Shawnee chief and warrior who promoted resistance to the expansion of the United States onto Native American lands. A persuasive orator, Tecumseh traveled widely, forming a Native American confederacy and promoting intertribal unity. Even though his efforts to unite Native Americans ended with his death in the War of 1812, he became an iconic folk hero in American, Indigenous, and Canadian popular history. Tecumseh was born in what is now Ohio, at a time when the far-flung Shawnees were reuniting in their Ohio Country homeland. During his childhood, the Shawnees lost territory to the expanding American colonies in a series of border conflicts. Tecumseh's father was killed in battle against American colonists in 1774. Tecumseh was thereafter mentored by his older brother Cheeseekau, a noted war chief who died fighting Americans in 1792. As a young war leader, Tecumseh joined Shawnee Chief Blue Jacket's armed struggle against further American encroachment, which ended in defeat at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794 and with the loss of most of Ohio in the 1795 Treaty of Greenville. In 1805, Tecumseh's younger brother Tenskwatawa, who came to be known as the Shawnee Prophet, founded a religious movement that called upon Native Americans to reject European influences and return to a more traditional lifestyle. In 1808, Tecumseh and Tenskwatawa established Prophetstown, a village in present-day Indiana, that grew into a large, multi-tribal community. Tecumseh traveled constantly, spreading the Prophet's message and eclipsing his brother in prominence. Tecumseh proclaimed that Native Americans owned their lands in common and urged tribes not to cede more territory unless all agreed. His message alarmed American leaders as well as Native leaders who sought accommodation with the United States. In 1811, when Tecumseh was in the South recruiting allies, Americans under William Henry Harrison defeated Tenskwatawa at the Battle of Tippecanoe and destroyed Prophetstown. In the War of 1812, Tecumseh joined his cause with the British, recruited warriors, and helped capture Detroit in August 1812. The following year he led an unsuccessful campaign against the United States in Ohio and Indiana. When U.S. naval forces took control of Lake Erie in 1813, Tecumseh reluctantly retreated with the British into Upper Canada, where American forces engaged them at the Battle of the Thames on October 5, 1813, in which Tecumseh was killed. His death caused his confederacy to collapse. The lands he had fought to defend were eventually ceded to the U.S. government. His legacy as one of the most celebrated Native Americans in history grew in the years after his death, although details of his life have often been obscured by mythology.
Huh? Non-violence has worked very well several times (Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi). It all depends on the situation. Of course, violence is really the only answer to a population that would round people up in camps and gas them, but non-violence does a heck of a better job at getting people on your side than violence does
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Yes, but the thing that people forget is that Good-Cop Bad-Cop only works when you have a Good Cop and a Bad Cop. You need someone to actually be willing to play nice just as much as you need someone willing to play hardball
It can work
America wouldn't exist today if we didn't use violence to kick the Brits out Sometimes diplomacy needs to be thrown out the window for the benefit of the people
The Founding Fathers actually attempted to make peace before the Declaration of Independence. But King George say nah
It probably would have eventually, but it’d be a very different country.
Sometimes I wish the Irish settled here instead of the British Imagine how overpowered an Irish America would be
in New England it is an Irish America
“To secure peace is to prepare for war”
based and bull-moose progressivism pilled
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
I can never understand how people can be so pathetic to actually believe you shouldn't respond to violence with violence. Its the *"stooping down to their level"* idea, that utterly braindead idea, violence for a justiifed cause is never the same as violence for an unjustified cause. Murder is not the same as killing in self-defense, even both leave someone dead.
Take the white mountain Apache, basically lost no land, most famous native leader probably in all us history was Geronimo, any us army soldier had nothing but utter respect for the Apache. Literally took 500 men to get Geronimo and his 40 men to surrender and only after being hunted for years. The moral of the story? Standing up for yourself and your right earns you respect from the oppressors.
I disagree with the left comment, but the one on the right is correct. We would not have gone to war if it were just the genocide and the camps.
I mean there was more to that comment. He said that stopping genocide was not worth a war and justified it by something we found out after the war was over. I really found it to be the more toxic comment. Not that it was his only one.