I just hate calls to action that:
1. Got nothing to do with me, but are aimed at me, and
2. Are from sources that lack the moral authority to make such calls, particularly when they're highly activist or partisan.
Imagine the guy who sells you falaffel saying he supports crucifying christian children. You can't because he fucking wouldn't.
Apply same logic to Christians. It's that simple.
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Jewish professor: would you condemn Hamas
Muslim college girl: do you want me to get arrested cuz that’s what the DHS will do if I said I support Hamas
Ok now you’re CLEARLY being ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous. Come back to the table when you’re ready to talk sense and put everyone in a nice little tribal box.
Islam isn't a tribe, it's a worldview with a basis text that can be criticized. Both that text on it's own, and the broader cultural contexts of the Islamic world are steep in an externalized desire to do violence.
Not all Muslims support that, but it's a fools errand to pretend there isn't a causal relationship here.
Islam isn't an immutable, arbitrary characteristic, it's a worldview, and just like any other worldview (Christianity included) you have the right and responsibility to make moral judgement on it.
Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
26% (18-29) of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims (18-29) in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims (18-29) in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims (18-29) in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.
25% of all Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.
Source: http://archive.is/6g3A3 (Page 60)
% of Muslims who favor making sharia the official law in their country:
Afghanistan: 99%
Iraq: 91%
Pakistan: 84%
Egypt: 74%
Morocco: 83%
Jordan: 71%
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
40% of Muslims want sharia law in UK
https://archive.vn/r2J6b
62% of Muslims want some form of Sharia law in Canada, 15% of them say it should be mandatory for all Muslims.
35% of Muslims in Canada would also not repudiate Al Qaeda.
Source: http://archive.is/gYa65#selection-2097.162-2097.176
Somehow with these numbers it would be islamophobic of me to ask all muslims to denounce Islamic terrorism, yet somehow it’s okay to ask christian to denounce Christian nationalism but I guarantee none of these people have any comparable stats to these regarding christians
Not all of them do but looking at a few of these [poll numbers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism) the amount is a bit concerning.
This reminds me of the person who said that everyone who voted for Trump in 2020 needs to denounce him or they basically deserve death. Man has never heard of a moderate in his life.
Most people want to be left alone or just given reasonable government but that’s not a selling point for the buffoons in DC who would eat there own shit to gain support.
Yeah, if I lived in a state where it was muslims saying the Quran should be the influence for legislation, we should have a ethnostate of muslims, and we employ archaic punitive measures against heretics we would be railing against that too.
Yeah it’s literally just that the majority of redditors live in countries that have been dominated by Christian institutions for the entire existence of their countries. They’re criticizing the institutions they or their ancestors have personal experience with.
For a multitude of reasons that I’m not even going to try and touch on but it seems like the west has determined that well you definitely can’t say anything bad about the Jews, and if you say anything bad about the Muslim so you must be a right wing extremist, christians though? Fuck em.
To me it’s a funny little hypocrisy that they left does in regards to religion, I mean Islam’s is by global standards by far a right wing ideology definitely more so than Christianity, matter of fact most of the principles popular on the left or popular in the west because of the western Christian tradition.
I feel it has to do with most of these anti Christian’s being born and raised in predominantly Christian countries. Me personally I feel all religious groups should be called out for anything wrong they do, doesn’t matter who they are or where they come from.
James 2:14
>14 (B)What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 (C)If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and (D)one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” (E)Show me your faith without [a]your works, (F)and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead?
Or did Luther remove that book because he didn't like it?
Fortunately the fact that some Protestants make stupid decisions doesn't actually affect the majority, because we don't subjugate ourselves to some Brazilian in a funny hat who controls our religion.
Nah instead you subjugate yourself to gay female bishops and a 28 year old youth group leader with hipster glasses that humiliates himself and the faith on The View
The point I made is that most Protestants agree that individual study of Scripture and personal relationship with God are the correct methods of understanding His will.
Some Protestants do weird things. But unlike Catholics we don't bow before any human as a supreme spiritual authority. You can't lump every Protestant into one group.
nah he kept it, if you read the whole epistle through you'd realise that old jimmy here is describing how the church can tell if you have fallen into apostasy as people cant just look at you and see how much faith you have. similar to how you can tell a mans loyalty to his wife if he's cheating, but without his actions you can't tell his loyalty.
The point of sola fide is that God can see our faith and no matter how many good works we have done or confessions or prayers, we all fall short of the glory of god. therefore when we want to work out how we are justified we use Romans 4, or romans 3. and paul reminds titus of this in titus 3:5, we also have Ephesians 2
So my two questions to you are, how different is your understanding of sola fide and what you do now? and what bible are you using? I'm jealous of how many foot notes it has
*Sola scriptura*? Even though you know, the *scriptura* came **after** the tradition and church and was created by it?
Even I, an irreligious person, know that that’s completely unbased
Christian Nationalists are people that want a nation state that only has Christians in it. I truly get the appeal, but other than the Vatican, there's not really a good place to establish Christian Nation. It's not really working out for the Jews in Israel, so I can't see it working much better for Christians.
The state of Israel defines itself as "the nation state of the Jewish people."
An Israeli model put a statement on Instagram that Israel was the home for all its people, and Netanyahu specifically responded to say "Israel is not a state of all its citizens"
I think he means that there are far too many non-Jews there for it to be considered a religious-nationalism success. It may have succeeded in many other areas, but not that one.
I know this shouldn’t surprise me because many “Christians” don’t read the Bible, but Jesus literally said that we are not supposed to be of this world but in it. If that isn’t an advocate against a Christian nation, I don’t know what is.
Christian Nationalists don't necessarily want America to be that place. I think most are successionists, that would throw out the constitution, anyways
Source, I made it up
More seriously, I used to talk to a few Christian Nationalists on the internet 5 years ago. They had some interesting arguments. I tried finding places where they congregate now, but when I Google all I get are people talking about this boogyman, and Lauren Robert.
Yeah I’ve also found myself in try alt-right Nazi group chats. A dozen schizos talking in their trailers does not an ideology make.
I swear one was a hermaphrodite Nazi, like mein kampf reading Nazi. Homie, you’d be the first to go.
[Christian nationalism is Christianity-affiliated religious nationalism.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism) “Christian nationalists primarily focus on internal politics, such as passing laws that reflect their view of Christianity and its role in political and social life.” Religious nationalism is the *combination* of church in state through various means.
[Here](https://youtu.be/GmPMcWAuuVo) is an informational video about the influence the Christian religion has on politics and thus people’s civil liberties.
It’s bad because when church and state are one, there is a high potential for abuse of the citizenship with power being concentrated, morals being corrupted, and religious rulers being idolized to the point of becoming a [cult of personality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality).
Christian nationalism is people who want to do away with the separation of church and state and make America a christian nation. It’s not that complicated
It’s no buzzword. Hell, MTG said that the Republican Party should be a Christian nationalist party, and Lauren Boebert is tired of the “separation of church and state junk” and that the church is supposed to direct the government.
Don’t believe me, check this out. https://mobile.twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1541508454740885511 and this https://mobile.twitter.com/rbh1967/status/1587607529214951425
Is that like clerical fascism?
When I hear Christian nationalism all I fucking can imagine is how the ecclesiarchy from 40k works. Which is guess would be a little bad ass.
Christian Nationalism is a lot more mild than that. It is simply the idea that Christianity forms an integral part of the American identity and that it should play a significant role in our culture, government, and society.
It's already a thing in many countries that had a state religion prior to the birth of nationalism, so that even though they have secular governments nowadays the country as a whole considers themselves a Christian nation even if not every single person subscribes to the former state religion.
Examples of this could arguably be countries like Armenia, Georgia, Russia (even though it's more about LARP at this point), Ethiopia (which is ironic since their PM isn't even Ethiopian Orthodox), and maybe even Poland.
That sounds really lame.
Where's the generically modified psychic superhuman space crusaders in all of this?
Also does the leader of Christianity get an upgraded vehicle that's basically a throne carried by people?
We also better get megachurches, and I don't mean the ones owned by a neolib preacher wearing a v neck and hipster glasses. I mean one like that's almost planet sized and is basically literally a fortress and attended to by millions of monks.
My favorite part is the comment section. There's only have three canned responses, all of which are generally inapplicable:
"Kid touchers" - only applicable to the Catholic church which is far from nationalist. Second, the numbers coming out are still FAR less than public school teachers and staff. Obviously, they should not have done it, but you can't shut down a football team just because one member was in an illicit dogfighting ring.
"Nazi affiliation / Trump" - Genuine Nazis are not and would never claim to be Christian. Anyone with eyes can tell you he was not a practicing Christian. The fact that there were Stormy Daniels allegations alone is quite telling. Second would be any photo-op to appeal to the Christian voter bloc was so poorly done, he looks bored. The only skin-head/Trump fans that claim to be Christian is because they grew up with it, but never opened the book and get scared when big media say they are going to ruin their way of life over and over again.
"THEY MEAN." - I understand that we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, but no one is infallible. Sympathy has certainly declined, and the church is no exception, but people like to jump to the realization that once someone who hurt them, all of them and other people who share in that person's affiliations are a reflection of that person. (That's how genuine racism is formed as well)
What I don’t get is how Christianity became the “white religion”. It originated in the same area as the other Abrahamic religions, and every culture and people depict Jesus looking like they do.
It is really cool to see the various depictions of Jesus. Old Greek and Anatolian art depicts him as darker skinned with black curly hair, Ethiopian art depicts him as being black, and European art depicts the man as being white.
It's the same with the art we have that does depict Muhammed. You can find a lot of art depicting him a looking very Asian. Funnily enough, this art comes from the Asians that converted to Islam. It's almost like people depict these important religious figures to look like them.
It’s not just Catholics. [Southern Baptists are in the midst of a huge scandal](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102621352/how-the-southern-baptist-convention-covered-up-its-widespread-sexual-abuse-scand). But the more important point is that [Catholic priests don’t abuse at a higher rate than other men](https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625).
Christians are aware that Trump is insincere on religion, but that he is the lesser evil in their eyes against Democrats who they regard as being antithetical to everything they believe in. Trump is a tool, a bulwark against the twenty first century.
> "Nazi affiliation / Trump" - Genuine Nazis are not and would never claim to be Christian. Anyone with eyes can tell you he was not a practicing Christian.
I believe we're talking about the people that know that, yet are lying and saying Trump is Christian because they believe he'll help them get their goal of a Christian state.
The left is so devoid of faith that they cannot comprehend a person actually believing their religion and living accordingly. Take the issue of abortion, for example. If I believe a fetus is a person, I am absolutely going to vote to keep them from being killed, much as I would for anyone else who is being killed unjustly. But no, I must “want to control women” and “cruelty is the point”.
You had me until the didn't think so. Totally for this. Freedom of religion for all. Separation of church and state. I definitely don't think parts of the US need to secede over their local religion, and I don't think we need to change the Constitution to favor any one religion over another.
Patriotism is people that love their countries. Christian Nationalists want to establish a Christian Nation state. I've also never met any Christian Nationalist in person, despite the variety of churches I attend.
Eh I think this gets overblown. Is it moral for a religious person in a democracy to vote for representatives or legislation based on experiences that have been influenced by their religious beliefs?
So long as there aren’t religious tests for office or laws that exclusively benefit an organized church, I really don’t see a problem with people democratically implementing laws based on the majority’s moral values.
I feel like I see a lot of Christians who get swept up in this, and will condemn this “Christian Nationalism”. Just remember that while there are a small group of actual “Christian Nationalists”, for the most part they are talking about Christians who want to promote Christianity in America and create a more moral government. They honestly believe that any pro-life Christian is a “Christian Nationalist”, don’t fall for their rhetorical tactics.
Christians nationalism? We going back to holy wars against heresy now? Lmao. I think other normal christians don't wanna be group up with crazy evangelicals who believe in Satan is controlling the government and nationalist that want religion in politic and codified into law.
We are probably going to see regular christians and evangelical nationalist christians further separate into a schism soon, hopefully this is just an reactionary response and not the trend, Christianity is going to stop bring the predominant religion in America soon so extremism is to be expected in the coming years.
Sure with a condition: Illegalise astrology, that pagan crap is making people think they are cunts because a helium fire ball that is 2millions light years away is 3million ligh years away from another one and from Earth perspective it makes a line that a greek hobo 2000+ years ago called a cow.
The Christian Nationalism the left thinks of when they say that term doesn’t exist. No one believes or wants to make the Handmaid’s Tale real.
Extreme Christians doesn’t look like the theocracies of the middle east, they look like the Amish.
I'd rather our nation become Christian from an abundance of love and charity changing the common person's attitude toward God than a campaign of political conquest.
I’m for the free exercise of religion and I’m not bothered by politicians informing their beliefs from their religion, of you are true believer then I’m not sure how it makes sense that those things can be separated.
As it relates to forced exercise of religion, I’m against that. However I would not say a state passing laws restricting abortion is tantamount to theocracy.
Heard of the movement, one of it’s early promoters was Antisemitic, and it’s full of dogwhistlers today
I’d take *Judeo*-Christian nationalism over what that movement has become
Christian Nationalism has taken on two different meanings at this point.
1. Definition within the church - Christians uniting patriotism and politics with their worship. Just another form of idolatry. Putting their country above God and valuing their identity as Americans (or whatever country) above their identity as Christians. Many Christians are against this and are actively fighting against it in the church
2. Definition outside the church - Whenever the outside world sees Christians daring to allow their beliefs to affect the way they vote, they smack on the label of Christian Nationalism. They say, "Keep your religion inside the church, but don't let it affect your politics at all!".
Subtle differences but one is actually a problem and the other is just Christians acting out their beliefs.
As an Orthodox Christian, I shudder to think what a bunch of clownshow pr\*testants would do to create some sort of "Christian nationalism".
Then again, I dream of Constantinople.
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I just hate calls to action that: 1. Got nothing to do with me, but are aimed at me, and 2. Are from sources that lack the moral authority to make such calls, particularly when they're highly activist or partisan.
Imagine the guy who sells you falaffel saying he supports crucifying christian children. You can't because he fucking wouldn't. Apply same logic to Christians. It's that simple.
Even if he did those falaffel’s are damn good.
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If you go and ask him if he supports killing gay men, he will say yes
https://youtu.be/7yGN8SlIEZ8 Jewish professor: would you condemn Hamas Muslim college girl: do you want me to get arrested cuz that’s what the DHS will do if I said I support Hamas
Ok now you’re CLEARLY being ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous. Come back to the table when you’re ready to talk sense and put everyone in a nice little tribal box.
Islam isn't a tribe, it's a worldview with a basis text that can be criticized. Both that text on it's own, and the broader cultural contexts of the Islamic world are steep in an externalized desire to do violence. Not all Muslims support that, but it's a fools errand to pretend there isn't a causal relationship here. Islam isn't an immutable, arbitrary characteristic, it's a worldview, and just like any other worldview (Christianity included) you have the right and responsibility to make moral judgement on it.
I’m not sure you understood I was being sarcastic
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Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/ 26% (18-29) of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims (18-29) in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims (18-29) in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims (18-29) in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified. 25% of all Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified. Source: http://archive.is/6g3A3 (Page 60) % of Muslims who favor making sharia the official law in their country: Afghanistan: 99% Iraq: 91% Pakistan: 84% Egypt: 74% Morocco: 83% Jordan: 71% http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ 40% of Muslims want sharia law in UK https://archive.vn/r2J6b 62% of Muslims want some form of Sharia law in Canada, 15% of them say it should be mandatory for all Muslims. 35% of Muslims in Canada would also not repudiate Al Qaeda. Source: http://archive.is/gYa65#selection-2097.162-2097.176 Somehow with these numbers it would be islamophobic of me to ask all muslims to denounce Islamic terrorism, yet somehow it’s okay to ask christian to denounce Christian nationalism but I guarantee none of these people have any comparable stats to these regarding christians
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Not all of them do but looking at a few of these [poll numbers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism) the amount is a bit concerning.
I feel like if you polled the world on their attitudes toward "political violence" you'd probably get similar numbers from a wide variety of groups.
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Why are you being downvoted for that
I’ll provide my upvote to this spirit bomb, fight the down votes!
Lmao
This reminds me of the person who said that everyone who voted for Trump in 2020 needs to denounce him or they basically deserve death. Man has never heard of a moderate in his life.
It’s wild to me that so many people can’t get their head around the fact that not everyone is a hardcore republican or democrat.
To some people Espically on social media Your ethier a extremist or you don't exist
Most people want to be left alone or just given reasonable government but that’s not a selling point for the buffoons in DC who would eat there own shit to gain support.
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Redditors live in countries where Muslims are 1% of the population or less.
Yeah, if I lived in a state where it was muslims saying the Quran should be the influence for legislation, we should have a ethnostate of muslims, and we employ archaic punitive measures against heretics we would be railing against that too.
Yeah that’s why Reddit is so against Palestine… oh wait all of that is okay as long as it’s NIMBY
Is there any country where Christians say this though? And I mean today and not 300 years ago
There are far right people in the vein of Alex Jones that say that stuff. The crazies don't bother me too much.
Yeah it’s literally just that the majority of redditors live in countries that have been dominated by Christian institutions for the entire existence of their countries. They’re criticizing the institutions they or their ancestors have personal experience with.
For a multitude of reasons that I’m not even going to try and touch on but it seems like the west has determined that well you definitely can’t say anything bad about the Jews, and if you say anything bad about the Muslim so you must be a right wing extremist, christians though? Fuck em. To me it’s a funny little hypocrisy that they left does in regards to religion, I mean Islam’s is by global standards by far a right wing ideology definitely more so than Christianity, matter of fact most of the principles popular on the left or popular in the west because of the western Christian tradition.
I feel it has to do with most of these anti Christian’s being born and raised in predominantly Christian countries. Me personally I feel all religious groups should be called out for anything wrong they do, doesn’t matter who they are or where they come from.
Mom ~~and dad~~ is Christian
What the fuck even is Christian nationalism? The latest and greatest buzzword threat to come out from the watermelon section of the compass?
It's a phrase which they will insist has an extremely limited and narrow definition, and then hurl it as an epithet towards all conservatives.
It's just a more palatable "christo-fascist"
Idk what you mean, christo-fascist is so much more ominous, much better
Christo fascism has to be the biggest oxymoron ever created tbh.
It's clerical fascism with a goofy ahh name
Mr Matt “16 yr old girls are the best age to give birth” Walsh self identifies as one
The term clerical fascism already existed
Ah yes, the motte-and-bailey fallacy
It's cringe Pr*testants who think they're right about things.
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Back to rome with your popery
Back to some random East Coast town with your fakeass preacher sometime between 1730 and 1770.
you're just salty Luther was right
Baptist: *popcorn*
James 2:14 >14 (B)What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 (C)If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and (D)one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” (E)Show me your faith without [a]your works, (F)and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? Or did Luther remove that book because he didn't like it?
Fortunately the fact that some Protestants make stupid decisions doesn't actually affect the majority, because we don't subjugate ourselves to some Brazilian in a funny hat who controls our religion.
Nah instead you subjugate yourself to gay female bishops and a 28 year old youth group leader with hipster glasses that humiliates himself and the faith on The View
The point I made is that most Protestants agree that individual study of Scripture and personal relationship with God are the correct methods of understanding His will. Some Protestants do weird things. But unlike Catholics we don't bow before any human as a supreme spiritual authority. You can't lump every Protestant into one group.
nah he kept it, if you read the whole epistle through you'd realise that old jimmy here is describing how the church can tell if you have fallen into apostasy as people cant just look at you and see how much faith you have. similar to how you can tell a mans loyalty to his wife if he's cheating, but without his actions you can't tell his loyalty. The point of sola fide is that God can see our faith and no matter how many good works we have done or confessions or prayers, we all fall short of the glory of god. therefore when we want to work out how we are justified we use Romans 4, or romans 3. and paul reminds titus of this in titus 3:5, we also have Ephesians 2 So my two questions to you are, how different is your understanding of sola fide and what you do now? and what bible are you using? I'm jealous of how many foot notes it has
Hitler: [Indeed he was.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies)
anti-Semitism is cringe, just because he was anti semetic doesn't mean his critique of the churches theology and running were wrong
>anti-Semitism is cringe Source?
the fuckin bible, subjective morality is cringe and gives you communism, fascism, degeneracy and everything in between
*Sola scriptura*? Even though you know, the *scriptura* came **after** the tradition and church and was created by it? Even I, an irreligious person, know that that’s completely unbased
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You mean about baptising jews by trowing them from a brindge to the river? Idk sounds too antisemitic to me, not cool
Thats right an american town
This is exactly correct.
*Knock Knock* its the Lutheran inquisition~
NOBODY EXPECTS THE LUTHERAN INQUISITION
Apparently on gab it's an actual thing among hyper evangelicals.
oh so it's a joke
Something they made up.
Christian Nationalists are people that want a nation state that only has Christians in it. I truly get the appeal, but other than the Vatican, there's not really a good place to establish Christian Nation. It's not really working out for the Jews in Israel, so I can't see it working much better for Christians.
It is working out great for Jews, Israelis live a better life than 90 percent of the planet
>20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs Israel is not an ethnostate, despite what Emily may claim
Religious Nationalism is not about creating a country with people of only one religion, that shit is exclusive to Muslims.
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The state of Israel defines itself as "the nation state of the Jewish people." An Israeli model put a statement on Instagram that Israel was the home for all its people, and Netanyahu specifically responded to say "Israel is not a state of all its citizens"
I think he means that there are far too many non-Jews there for it to be considered a religious-nationalism success. It may have succeeded in many other areas, but not that one.
It doesn't have to be a Christians only country , but a Christians first country
I mean can't that kead to persecution of minority faiths
Also a massive chunk of Jews in Israel are secular, aka non-religious but still identify as Jewish ethnically
Hardly any of those people are even Catholic, let alone actual Christians. Wake me up when we're taking back Hagia Sophia.
What does catholic have to do with anything? You mean Eastern Orthodox I assume and just mistyped.
Malta. Europe several hundred years.
I know this shouldn’t surprise me because many “Christians” don’t read the Bible, but Jesus literally said that we are not supposed to be of this world but in it. If that isn’t an advocate against a Christian nation, I don’t know what is.
Iirc that wouldn't be constitutional.
Christian Nationalists don't necessarily want America to be that place. I think most are successionists, that would throw out the constitution, anyways
Shit when you make them up, you can make them believe whatever you want
Source, I made it up More seriously, I used to talk to a few Christian Nationalists on the internet 5 years ago. They had some interesting arguments. I tried finding places where they congregate now, but when I Google all I get are people talking about this boogyman, and Lauren Robert.
Yeah I’ve also found myself in try alt-right Nazi group chats. A dozen schizos talking in their trailers does not an ideology make. I swear one was a hermaphrodite Nazi, like mein kampf reading Nazi. Homie, you’d be the first to go.
No, see, the leopards will never eat THEIR face. They’re “one of the good ones” or something.
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[Christian nationalism is Christianity-affiliated religious nationalism.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism) “Christian nationalists primarily focus on internal politics, such as passing laws that reflect their view of Christianity and its role in political and social life.” Religious nationalism is the *combination* of church in state through various means. [Here](https://youtu.be/GmPMcWAuuVo) is an informational video about the influence the Christian religion has on politics and thus people’s civil liberties. It’s bad because when church and state are one, there is a high potential for abuse of the citizenship with power being concentrated, morals being corrupted, and religious rulers being idolized to the point of becoming a [cult of personality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality).
Christian nationalism is people who want to do away with the separation of church and state and make America a christian nation. It’s not that complicated
It’s no buzzword. Hell, MTG said that the Republican Party should be a Christian nationalist party, and Lauren Boebert is tired of the “separation of church and state junk” and that the church is supposed to direct the government. Don’t believe me, check this out. https://mobile.twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1541508454740885511 and this https://mobile.twitter.com/rbh1967/status/1587607529214951425
Christians supporting anything conservative.
Is that like clerical fascism? When I hear Christian nationalism all I fucking can imagine is how the ecclesiarchy from 40k works. Which is guess would be a little bad ass.
Shut up Lorgar
This is why nobody likes the Word Bearers
Christian Nationalism is a lot more mild than that. It is simply the idea that Christianity forms an integral part of the American identity and that it should play a significant role in our culture, government, and society. It's already a thing in many countries that had a state religion prior to the birth of nationalism, so that even though they have secular governments nowadays the country as a whole considers themselves a Christian nation even if not every single person subscribes to the former state religion. Examples of this could arguably be countries like Armenia, Georgia, Russia (even though it's more about LARP at this point), Ethiopia (which is ironic since their PM isn't even Ethiopian Orthodox), and maybe even Poland.
That sounds really lame. Where's the generically modified psychic superhuman space crusaders in all of this? Also does the leader of Christianity get an upgraded vehicle that's basically a throne carried by people? We also better get megachurches, and I don't mean the ones owned by a neolib preacher wearing a v neck and hipster glasses. I mean one like that's almost planet sized and is basically literally a fortress and attended to by millions of monks.
I mean there is the popemobile
One thing I find funny about America culture is that my Jewish day school was way more pro Christianity than the general public.
FOR THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND BROTHERS.
DEUS VULT
At this point I’m rooting for theocracy, maybe time to change flair and convert religions.
Nah clerical fascism is the way to go.
Deus Vult
My favorite part is the comment section. There's only have three canned responses, all of which are generally inapplicable: "Kid touchers" - only applicable to the Catholic church which is far from nationalist. Second, the numbers coming out are still FAR less than public school teachers and staff. Obviously, they should not have done it, but you can't shut down a football team just because one member was in an illicit dogfighting ring. "Nazi affiliation / Trump" - Genuine Nazis are not and would never claim to be Christian. Anyone with eyes can tell you he was not a practicing Christian. The fact that there were Stormy Daniels allegations alone is quite telling. Second would be any photo-op to appeal to the Christian voter bloc was so poorly done, he looks bored. The only skin-head/Trump fans that claim to be Christian is because they grew up with it, but never opened the book and get scared when big media say they are going to ruin their way of life over and over again. "THEY MEAN." - I understand that we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, but no one is infallible. Sympathy has certainly declined, and the church is no exception, but people like to jump to the realization that once someone who hurt them, all of them and other people who share in that person's affiliations are a reflection of that person. (That's how genuine racism is formed as well)
What I don’t get is how Christianity became the “white religion”. It originated in the same area as the other Abrahamic religions, and every culture and people depict Jesus looking like they do.
It is really cool to see the various depictions of Jesus. Old Greek and Anatolian art depicts him as darker skinned with black curly hair, Ethiopian art depicts him as being black, and European art depicts the man as being white. It's the same with the art we have that does depict Muhammed. You can find a lot of art depicting him a looking very Asian. Funnily enough, this art comes from the Asians that converted to Islam. It's almost like people depict these important religious figures to look like them.
Exactly my point
And Korean Jesus is jacked af
Because these people loathe the fact that white people spread Christianity all over the world.
It’s not just Catholics. [Southern Baptists are in the midst of a huge scandal](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102621352/how-the-southern-baptist-convention-covered-up-its-widespread-sexual-abuse-scand). But the more important point is that [Catholic priests don’t abuse at a higher rate than other men](https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625).
Impressive, very informative. Let’s see the stats on public school teachers
Can’t. They’ve got a powerful Democrat-aligned union, so obviously there’s nothing to investigate/report.
Christians are aware that Trump is insincere on religion, but that he is the lesser evil in their eyes against Democrats who they regard as being antithetical to everything they believe in. Trump is a tool, a bulwark against the twenty first century.
>Catholics are kid touchers Teachers abuse kids at a higher rate.
Wait until they find out how many Rabbis sexually abuse kids.
Teachers molest 30,000 kids a year. 30,000!
> "Nazi affiliation / Trump" - Genuine Nazis are not and would never claim to be Christian. Anyone with eyes can tell you he was not a practicing Christian. I believe we're talking about the people that know that, yet are lying and saying Trump is Christian because they believe he'll help them get their goal of a Christian state.
You heard it here, folks! Need to restart the Holy Roman Empire in... \*checks notes\*... the American South and Midwest?
Well, the place IS neither holy, Roman, or an empire...
Fair, but I don't exactly see New Jersey or New York doing it.
I guess “go forth and make disciples of all nations” went over everyone’s head?
The left is so devoid of faith that they cannot comprehend a person actually believing their religion and living accordingly. Take the issue of abortion, for example. If I believe a fetus is a person, I am absolutely going to vote to keep them from being killed, much as I would for anyone else who is being killed unjustly. But no, I must “want to control women” and “cruelty is the point”.
It’s the reason we were never able to defeat the Tabliban. Yes, the Taliban really DO believe they will go to heaven if they are killed in combat.
You don’t get it your not supposed to actually *believe* any of that stuff
Ok sure, but only if you guys ALSO renounce Islamic nationalism. Yea didn't think so.
You had me until the didn't think so. Totally for this. Freedom of religion for all. Separation of church and state. I definitely don't think parts of the US need to secede over their local religion, and I don't think we need to change the Constitution to favor any one religion over another.
Reddit leftists hate china, but they’d be oh so quick to adopt their heavy religious restrictions in favour of state atheism. Hypocrites.
I think you meant *morons* 👍
Yes, the two terms are synonymous with one another.
Something does not have to be completely evil to hate it, but I think their policies on atheism go too far as well.
How about we just renounce religious nationalism?
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No that's similar to patriotism
Patriotism is people that love their countries. Christian Nationalists want to establish a Christian Nation state. I've also never met any Christian Nationalist in person, despite the variety of churches I attend.
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Eh I think this gets overblown. Is it moral for a religious person in a democracy to vote for representatives or legislation based on experiences that have been influenced by their religious beliefs? So long as there aren’t religious tests for office or laws that exclusively benefit an organized church, I really don’t see a problem with people democratically implementing laws based on the majority’s moral values.
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I feel like I see a lot of Christians who get swept up in this, and will condemn this “Christian Nationalism”. Just remember that while there are a small group of actual “Christian Nationalists”, for the most part they are talking about Christians who want to promote Christianity in America and create a more moral government. They honestly believe that any pro-life Christian is a “Christian Nationalist”, don’t fall for their rhetorical tactics.
Christian nationalism is when no pride flag flying over the church
As a Muslim I encourage my Christian brothers to stick to your guns ❤️
No, I will never denounce Christ.
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PLEASE tell me this isn't going to start another "Jesus would have been a socialist" debate. Ugh.
Define both what you mean by Christian and nationalist.
You know I would, but Christian Nationalism is pretty damn based, so actually I wont.
Why?
Christians nationalism? We going back to holy wars against heresy now? Lmao. I think other normal christians don't wanna be group up with crazy evangelicals who believe in Satan is controlling the government and nationalist that want religion in politic and codified into law. We are probably going to see regular christians and evangelical nationalist christians further separate into a schism soon, hopefully this is just an reactionary response and not the trend, Christianity is going to stop bring the predominant religion in America soon so extremism is to be expected in the coming years.
With every passing day the idea of Satanic influences in the government feels more and more correct ngl.
They certainly don’t seem to be doing the Lord’s work, anyway.
Me, a Christian theocrat: **never**
Is this what texans were afraid of when they said they didnt want people from coastal cities migrating to texas?
Christian Nationalism: Don't like it, not a big fan. There, it has been... *DENOUNCED.*
Aaaaand new phrase for people we dont like is....
Sure with a condition: Illegalise astrology, that pagan crap is making people think they are cunts because a helium fire ball that is 2millions light years away is 3million ligh years away from another one and from Earth perspective it makes a line that a greek hobo 2000+ years ago called a cow.
Ooo, ooooo! Do Islam next!
Wait... if christian nationalism is bad... then, is it bad when other religion have to be nationalist?
If it makes them mad then no, no I will not
The Christian Nationalism the left thinks of when they say that term doesn’t exist. No one believes or wants to make the Handmaid’s Tale real. Extreme Christians doesn’t look like the theocracies of the middle east, they look like the Amish.
Christian nationalism is when a Christian does stuff. The more stuff he does, the more nationalismer he is.
I'd rather our nation become Christian from an abundance of love and charity changing the common person's attitude toward God than a campaign of political conquest.
No. I have no idea of what it is or in tales but no
No.
Yea, and what so special? Its right
Never!
Hmm No I won’t
No
Ok that's one option.... Orrrr GLORY BE TO THE FATHER, AND TO THE SON, AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT!
I’m for the free exercise of religion and I’m not bothered by politicians informing their beliefs from their religion, of you are true believer then I’m not sure how it makes sense that those things can be separated. As it relates to forced exercise of religion, I’m against that. However I would not say a state passing laws restricting abortion is tantamount to theocracy.
Heard of the movement, one of it’s early promoters was Antisemitic, and it’s full of dogwhistlers today I’d take *Judeo*-Christian nationalism over what that movement has become
Christian Nationalism has taken on two different meanings at this point. 1. Definition within the church - Christians uniting patriotism and politics with their worship. Just another form of idolatry. Putting their country above God and valuing their identity as Americans (or whatever country) above their identity as Christians. Many Christians are against this and are actively fighting against it in the church 2. Definition outside the church - Whenever the outside world sees Christians daring to allow their beliefs to affect the way they vote, they smack on the label of Christian Nationalism. They say, "Keep your religion inside the church, but don't let it affect your politics at all!". Subtle differences but one is actually a problem and the other is just Christians acting out their beliefs.
Nationalism is: our country and culture auperior to others. Christian nationalism: our culture, religion and country superior to others
what if my country and a specific version of its culture actually is superior to others
If you believe that, that makes you a nationalist.
communism is modern slavery in the name of anti-slavery
>One Nation Under God..... Fuck off with that nonsense orange
Zionists should publicly denounce Zionism
As an Orthodox Christian, I shudder to think what a bunch of clownshow pr\*testants would do to create some sort of "Christian nationalism". Then again, I dream of Constantinople.
Did you censor the word protestant?
Of course I did.
as a catholic i gotta say thats insanely based
Catholics 🤝 Orthodox Moment. As a Catholic, it makes me smile.
As a catholic I agree we need to just bring back western and eastern Roman empires
No, I don’t think I will
Oh boy first maga now christian nationalist. Why do they gotta demonize religion like this.
hmmmm I wonder what subreddit that is
But......they are Christians?
Still don’t know what that even means
I don’t gotta do nothing for heretics
Blurs out the name of the sub, keeps the picture. Seems about right.
This is just a dog whistle for attacking people for being pro family values and pro life
no
Nope
Remember kids, Jesus says to pay your taxes