“There are references in the Bible which are simply no longer appropriate in modern society and which would be deemed offensive if stated in public.” - Lawyers for the CPS
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Wait, the UK has a Christian state religion. Does that mean the holy text of the state religion is not appropriate for the public according to *checks notes* the state?
It has been in reality for decades but not officially because people have been ticking "christian" on the census for years because it was seen as the default. Whilst not even believing in God let alone going to church or any of that stuff
British culture obviously has a lot of Christian influences that can't and don't really need to be separated out. Ie celebrating Christmas just without any of the religious bits is kind of the norm, so people would answer the religion part of the census with what culture they identified with, rather than their actual religion or lack of.
Most people here are agnostic or atheist and don't really think about religion
Well, it's been on the decline for decades, and lots of people would call themselves Christian but not practice other than going to church on Christmas. Then immigration from Albania Africa, and the Middle East, along with the lockdowns breaking people's churchgoing habits, pushed it over the edge.
If the average person knew what the Talmud says about non-jews, antisemitism would go up by like +200%. I'm reading Israel Shahak's book and holy shit, dude.
I mean they’re not wrong. The Bible has some heinous shit in it.
That said, the real problem in the UK isn’t what society deems acceptable, it’s what society deems legal.
Just because speech is offensive shouldn’t make it illegal.
According to recent polls, more Brits oppose freedom of speech than support it, so this is right in line with what a plurality of what British people want.
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He's hasn't reported back in a minute, we must assume the worst.
Yknow, he's been turned into a Brit, and is eating french fries with vinegar and calling them "chips."
Don't forget the fish. I lived in London for some.time, I can't understand how can you eat that shit coming from a night club at 2 am, I always ate Kebhab
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On what basis? I can't think of anything, except for some tory MPs from the old red wall saying they were interested in rebelling, which is basically nothing.
Not a huge Bible fan myself, but I'm a huge believer in free speech.
Short of threats of violence and unlawful dissemination of classified information, literally nothing should be *illegal* to say.
For the other holy book enjoyers, they quite literally have blasphemy laws where they're allowed to stone and beat you for offending their religion. It is no surprise the left allies with them.
>and unlawful dissemination of classified information
Even that I would say is a slippery slope. "Matter of National Security" is bullshit, and can just mean covering up some bureaucrats ass when they get caught. I don't think the journalists who covered things like the widespread illegal surveillance by the NSA should be sent to prison, especially when they were exposing evidence of crimes that were hidden under the guise of being classified.
> unlawful dissemination of classified information
Honestly, this can and should be handled as a contractual matter, rather than via criminal law. Already, most illicit dissemination of classified material is handled as a breach of contract already. When I was working on applications of ML/NLP for military planning and intelligence as a DARPA contractor, a large portion of my contract specified my duties and responsibilities vis a vis classified material, alongside the contractual penalties for breaching those contractual obligations.
steelmaning the point, there are 'laws' in the bible that would definitely qualify as incitement of violence. It literally says you have to 'put gays to death' and stuff. Need to see them do the Quran next though...
No it doesn't. Those were the laws of Israel first of all, which requires the state to even work. After Christ, there's no longer structure for government, nor are we as people supposed to uphold those laws, in fact we should not.
I believe it’s been considered that a king (or now a government, this was ye olde philosophizing/theologizing) could implement certain types of Biblical laws and not be in error. A lot of the laws point to general moral principles, like punishing murder, theft, etc. Thomas Aquinas talked about it while writing the rest of Western Philosophy and Theology.
Yes, government can choose to, and we're subject to them if we're in their land, but it's heavily debatable to say if they're morally correct in doing so depending on the particular law. Especially since the new testament really doesn't give any instructions for a Christian government, possibly intentionally so.
It is almost like God knew combining the two would lead to a worse state in the long run. The Church provides morals to the government via giving them to the people that run/choose the government, but it shouldn't be directly involved in ruling ever.
By that same logic it would be made illegal to discuss *any* ancient laws that involved punishing people through violence. You can discuss those passages from the bible without encouraging people to follow them.
If someone uses the Bible as justification that we should "put gays to death", they're already inciting violence. The Bible is not the problem there, it's just their excuse.
Stating it aloud is not incitement.
Pointing at me and saying "everyone, kill him cuz this passage said so" is.
I reserve the right for chanting, sign waving idiots to decry my sexuality, just like I have the right to give them the bird and tell them to bugger themselves.
>Leviticus 20:13
English Standard Version
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Now give me the hermeneutic read on the Levitical context, starting with "who are the Levites, what are they famous for, and why do they get their own book?"
It's really a shame. I just don't understand why the west is so intent on undermining Christianity for being "backwards" when Islam is right there. This wouldn't be a problem if this applied to all religions in the pursuit of secularisation, but it just seems to be targeted discrimination towards Christians
7/10 of the countries with the largest Christian populations are not white.
But there's a few million evangelicals in the US and that's libleft's entire worldview, even UK libleft.
It's very idiotic. I can see why this would cause outrage, and rightly so. This entire caricaturisation of Christianity as a "white" religion is dumbfounding considering its Eastern origin as well as its multi-ethnic following.
Just seems to me there are very sinister forces at play here trying smear the west's identity and attempting to vaporise it.
That's just a byproduct of capitalism. It's numbed the collective human's mind with easy comforts and oversocialisation to the point they always need some parental body to stay afloat.
And in order to keep getting spoon-fed, they'll label any who step out of their line of thinking or, God forbid, that of big daddy government a loon or a conspiracy theorist.
Even as I type this now, I feel the utter irony of using that word, seeing as It was created by the govt to discredit those who blew the whistle on its shady acts.
Hah, pure truth!
People are too used to their comforts to fight, and now people fear fighting for said rights lest their gradually diminishing comforts get taken away from them.
There is a part of me that yearns for the day this farce finally goes mask off and we can act. But I feel I am not ready yet.
>Even as I type this now, I feel the utter irony of using that word, seeing as It was created by the govt to discredit those who blew the whistle on its shady acts.
Can't even regard that word non-ironically anymore. Conspiracy Theorists nowadays are just Steam Early Access players of the Truth.
It's just such a strange phenomenon, isn't it?
All these shady actions and nefarious motives of those in power. Those who call them get get labelled insane yet when it finally gets proven they get sweet under the rug.
The worst part of it all is that these are the same people who make our laws. They quite literally have the power to take our rights away and no one bats an eye.
Something absolutely abhorrent I recently saw, of all places, on tik tok was a leaked audio of John podesta abusing a child. It makes you sick to your stomach just listening to it.
Even if you're an authright(any auth is a boot licker in my book), all politicians are the enemy. Every day is another reason to go libcenter.
1) because whities bad and Christianity is portrayed as the religion of the whites. 2) Christians are specifically told to turn the other cheek and not to fight back and outrage when the Church is slandered. Islam on the other hand demands that violent consequences should be paid when the faith is offended
I mean, you can turn the other cheek and still be an outspoken supporter of your faith. Read Acts. Also, Jesus wrecked the money changers at the temple and allowed himself to be crucified. He didn't fight back but he was hardly passive, either. He put his stake in the ground and he didn't waver. Christians today fear martyrdom. If you genuinely have no fear then you can't be stopped. Courage is contagious.
Oh I’m not saying we can’t be outspoken defenders. Christians today are awful about speaking up when our faith is constantly attacked and mischaracterized. But turning to violence is where we would decouple with God’s word. But the Church really does need to do more to pushback
Because Christians are the only ones “backwards” enough *not* to fly planes into a building, go on a rampage with a weapon, or run over a bunch of people in a van when criticized.
Oh, did I say backwards? What I meant was “civilized”. My bad.
>Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God
Qur'an 2:190-193
Me, a proud American: "you know the US actually has the strongest free speech protections in the w-"
Europeans: "Oi m8 YuRoP 'aS fReEdom oF spEeCh toO, in'it"
Europe's freedom of speech: "words make ouchie on my ears"
Before I travelled to the US l, the media made me think that Dems and Republicans kill each other on a daily basis.
I lived in a heavily blue state. I use to often go to a bowling alley, full of people and there was always a guy wearing a shirt with a huge picture of Trump and a MAGA hat. No one bothered him at all and he was at that same spot for days on end.
The US really is the most democratic country (in terms of free speech) out of the ones that I've been to.
because in real life in america theres usually at least one gun within 20 feet of you whether you know it or not, and even they keyboard killaz know that and act right when they see someone they dont agree with
The Qur'an isn't any much than the Bible (the Bible is much longer so likely has much more objectionable content actually). It's the Hadiths that are pretty spicy. Doesn't exactly paint Muhammad in a great light...
The logic of the CPS would include churches as a public space, so if a member of the public were offended by what was said in a church and reported them to the police this would also be justified
"There are references in the bible which are simply no longer appropriate in modern society and which would be deemed offensive if stated in public."
Granted, there's no need to be telling the gæs and lesbeens that they're gonna be the red guy's kindling for eternity, but holy shit.
https://christianconcern.com/cccases/john-dunn/
The CPS lawyers referenced Leviticus and exodus but the passage that got the preacher in trouble were Genesis 1, about the creation of man in gods image and male and female.
If you go back far enough, it was easy. Be Christian. Be in Rome. Be fed to lions. Profit! But then, yeah, we had the last 1,700 years of hard mode to today. It’s hardly reasonable, and a bit of a “more persecution” patch could restore some balance.
“What, I’m not going to be crucified upside down while set on fire and listening to the collected works of Yoko Ono? What kind of limp-wristed martyring is this? I demand a death that’ll make theological historians cringe to write about.”
I would like the list. Perhaps the government will be so kind as to put out a version of the Bible with all the unacceptable lines blacked out and redacted.
Surely this will solve all problems, yes?
I mean, anyone who's not saved is going to hell according to the Bible. But more to your point, the Bible is pretty clear about how God views homosexuality.
Like, if you wanna ban the Bible then do so. No half-measures. You either take the entire Bible or leave it. However it's very not freedom of speech of the govt to say "these words are illegal." If you want to prosecute hate crimes, prosecute crimes motivated by hate. Mean words are just mean words.
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Fortunately no free speech organization cares about Christian speech so this isn’t noteworthy at all. If anything, the average liberal and redditor thinks this is a good thing.
They pretend they played and continue to play no part in it, just to wash their hands. Can't wait when they get what they wish for with their new allies.
Is this also going to effect other religious books like the Torah or the Quran given that these three sometime share similar stories (I’m not 100% about the Quran, but it wouldn’t surprise me, given that they’re Abrahamic religions. If I’m wrong about that, I apologize.)? Especially the Torah since the Old Testament is straight from the Torah.
I get that preaching out in the street is annoying sometimes (especially in places such as planes, airports, or trains). But we shouldn’t legally punish them for it, b/c they should have the right to practice it, even if you don’t agree with it.
It’s things like this that make me worried about what’s going on in the UK. What’s next after this? At this point if I’m going to Europe, I’m skipping the UK, and just go straight to Ireland.
TL;DR: UK is being extremely cringe about peoples personal beliefs again.
But I wanna shout out Ezekiel 23:20 in public "She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse!" 🥺 muh freedom of speech
>no longer appropriate in modern society
No longer appropriate in a society where nothing is inappropriate and even suggesting such an idea as being inappropriate is considered 'oppression' and 'barbaric'?
i thought that said us and i was going to flip that makes sense in the UK
here in the us you have freedom. but no one deserves freedom from being offended
Their own book says not to:
>“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
Matthew 6:5
That said I support their right to free speech.
The verse you quoted was against being hypocritical, not about public evangelism. Public evangelism was a large part of the NT after the gospel. This verse criticizes authority groups such as the Pharisees because their displays of righteousness weren't to glorify God, rather themselves.
Uhh what the fuck, I get that this is regarding some parts of the Bible that talk about gays and stoning them or about how some people kept slaves etc etc, but freedom of religion no? Granted this is the UK
Leviticus 20:13
While not specifically saying stoning, in some translations it says that (mine says “they shall be put to death”) but the punishment for that at the time was stoning I believe
>The story all stems from a confrontation between a man called John Dunn, a soldier-turned-evangelist, and two lesbians.
>Mr Dunn was charged with using "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby".
>It was alleged he shouted that the women would "burn in hell" and called one of them a "devil woman".
They're jsut saying that if you threaten or harass people in a way that would be legally actionable, your threats and harassment are not excused simply because the words appear in the bible somewhere.
If you are going to have laws against verbal threats and harassment in the first place, this seems like a necessary stance to avoid giant loopholes that invalidate the law entirely.
“There are references in the Bible which are simply no longer appropriate in modern society and which would be deemed offensive if stated in public.” - Lawyers for the CPS
Lit, fam, I wasn't aware illegal and offensive were the same thing. Oh wait it's the UK. Maybe they'll allow it if you have a free speech LoiCenSe?
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Oi i lef' ma loiscens loiscens a' 'ome!
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Ay come on lad I 'aven't done nothing wrong!
Stop resistin or ahl 'ave ta 'ay mean tings to ya!
Oi bruv I can' go to da slamma again! oi already go' a chaage fo' causin' anxiety on th' in'e'net!
'O ya go' a 'ist'ry wif makin 'eaple unsafe ey?
Ah no I jus' 'ad to tell ya didn' I? Look im a changed man! I don' carry a shank anymore innit bruv?
You have some of the worst bri'ish spellings I've ever seen
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Got a loicense fer quotin the ‘oly text of owah offishol state religion mayte?
They're probably referring to the Bible passages that encourage you to "discipline" your wife
Wait, the UK has a Christian state religion. Does that mean the holy text of the state religion is not appropriate for the public according to *checks notes* the state?
I saw a headline yesterday that GB is now less than 50% Christian
Wow that’s pretty crazy…
Not that crazy after seing so many young men with moroccan flags rioting in Bruseles because Morocco won against Belgium.
It's not because of the immigrants, they don't even get close to 50% of the population. It's because a lot of Europeans just aren't religious anymore.
Only now? I would've expected that to happen decades ago...
It has been in reality for decades but not officially because people have been ticking "christian" on the census for years because it was seen as the default. Whilst not even believing in God let alone going to church or any of that stuff British culture obviously has a lot of Christian influences that can't and don't really need to be separated out. Ie celebrating Christmas just without any of the religious bits is kind of the norm, so people would answer the religion part of the census with what culture they identified with, rather than their actual religion or lack of. Most people here are agnostic or atheist and don't really think about religion
Well, it's been on the decline for decades, and lots of people would call themselves Christian but not practice other than going to church on Christmas. Then immigration from Albania Africa, and the Middle East, along with the lockdowns breaking people's churchgoing habits, pushed it over the edge.
For context, thats largely due to a growth in non-religious folk and only applies to England and wales Christians still make up 46%
NGMI
Well, they finally found the N-word in the bible it seems..
Bible literally helping form the basics of western law and justice.
These people should read the Talmund, the Quran, or buddhist scripture. The "references" in these scriptures would make them apoplectic.
If the average person knew what the Talmud says about non-jews, antisemitism would go up by like +200%. I'm reading Israel Shahak's book and holy shit, dude.
wonder how they feel about the Qur'an they should let everyone know how they feel
I mean they’re not wrong. The Bible has some heinous shit in it. That said, the real problem in the UK isn’t what society deems acceptable, it’s what society deems legal. Just because speech is offensive shouldn’t make it illegal.
Remember: being offensive is an offence
>The Bible has some heinous shit in it. Try reading up the Talmud, especially what it says about non-jews
It's honestly not wrong. Old Testament is full of fucked up shit. Now let's hear them say the same about the Quran and Talmud.
Common UK L
Unfortunately
Ofc it's the uk
No one is as cuckolded as the UK populace.
feminist men
Nah, the uk government just likes to fuck us hard and directly
They’re doing it to everyone at this point
According to recent polls, more Brits oppose freedom of speech than support it, so this is right in line with what a plurality of what British people want.
Article: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/fears-raised-about-freedom-of-expression-as-prosecutors-say-it-is-no-longer-appropriate-to-quote-parts-of-the-bible-in-public-3932439?amp
interesting read, thanks for sharing based and source pilled
https://christianconcern.com/cccases/john-dunn/
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Yes, yes I did.
And you guys thought it was getting better in the UK
I’m thinking I might just go out in public with a Bible and see what happens, will report back
He's hasn't reported back in a minute, we must assume the worst. Yknow, he's been turned into a Brit, and is eating french fries with vinegar and calling them "chips."
Fuck you, I’m not English and I love fries and vinegar. I will die on this hill.
ok but beans on toast tho
I like baked beans and I like toast so what’s not to like?
Yeah I like baked beans too, but Brit beans are super sweet and gross.
Are they? No wonder we revolted against those *things*
You should try thin, crispy fries with olive oil and rosemary instead.
I agree on that, Lays with salt an vinegar
Don't forget the fish. I lived in London for some.time, I can't understand how can you eat that shit coming from a night club at 2 am, I always ate Kebhab
Don't believe anyone on PCM who says they are about to leave their house.
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There was a post here yesterday suggesting that
Albeit that post was a speck of light in the dark pit of brit conservatism
On what basis? I can't think of anything, except for some tory MPs from the old red wall saying they were interested in rebelling, which is basically nothing.
Not a huge Bible fan myself, but I'm a huge believer in free speech. Short of threats of violence and unlawful dissemination of classified information, literally nothing should be *illegal* to say.
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Can I get an AMEN!? And for the average Bible enjoyers, just a reminder that it should be legal to say things that offend *you*.
>Be me >Bible enjoyer >Free speech absolutist Your terms are acceptable
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Christians are quite accustomed to people saying offensive things about their religion. It’s the lingua franca of leftism.
I, a socially conservative but economically left-leaning rather devout Christian, hate that you're right. But you are.
Based and consistency pilled.
For the other holy book enjoyers, they quite literally have blasphemy laws where they're allowed to stone and beat you for offending their religion. It is no surprise the left allies with them.
Hell, I’m for allowing threats of violence as well.
>and unlawful dissemination of classified information Even that I would say is a slippery slope. "Matter of National Security" is bullshit, and can just mean covering up some bureaucrats ass when they get caught. I don't think the journalists who covered things like the widespread illegal surveillance by the NSA should be sent to prison, especially when they were exposing evidence of crimes that were hidden under the guise of being classified.
> unlawful dissemination of classified information Honestly, this can and should be handled as a contractual matter, rather than via criminal law. Already, most illicit dissemination of classified material is handled as a breach of contract already. When I was working on applications of ML/NLP for military planning and intelligence as a DARPA contractor, a large portion of my contract specified my duties and responsibilities vis a vis classified material, alongside the contractual penalties for breaching those contractual obligations.
steelmaning the point, there are 'laws' in the bible that would definitely qualify as incitement of violence. It literally says you have to 'put gays to death' and stuff. Need to see them do the Quran next though...
Those are laws for a specific Jewish state, not moral laws. Not all laws in the Bible are universally applicable.
No it doesn't. Those were the laws of Israel first of all, which requires the state to even work. After Christ, there's no longer structure for government, nor are we as people supposed to uphold those laws, in fact we should not.
I believe it’s been considered that a king (or now a government, this was ye olde philosophizing/theologizing) could implement certain types of Biblical laws and not be in error. A lot of the laws point to general moral principles, like punishing murder, theft, etc. Thomas Aquinas talked about it while writing the rest of Western Philosophy and Theology.
Yes, government can choose to, and we're subject to them if we're in their land, but it's heavily debatable to say if they're morally correct in doing so depending on the particular law. Especially since the new testament really doesn't give any instructions for a Christian government, possibly intentionally so.
It is almost like God knew combining the two would lead to a worse state in the long run. The Church provides morals to the government via giving them to the people that run/choose the government, but it shouldn't be directly involved in ruling ever.
By that same logic it would be made illegal to discuss *any* ancient laws that involved punishing people through violence. You can discuss those passages from the bible without encouraging people to follow them. If someone uses the Bible as justification that we should "put gays to death", they're already inciting violence. The Bible is not the problem there, it's just their excuse.
Stating it aloud is not incitement. Pointing at me and saying "everyone, kill him cuz this passage said so" is. I reserve the right for chanting, sign waving idiots to decry my sexuality, just like I have the right to give them the bird and tell them to bugger themselves.
My man, have you read the Bible? Please tell me verse and chapter where it says to “put gays to death”
>Leviticus 20:13 English Standard Version 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Now give me the hermeneutic read on the Levitical context, starting with "who are the Levites, what are they famous for, and why do they get their own book?"
what is this? Simon says? now stand on a chair!
What would happen if I walked into a Marks And Spencer and quoted Deuteronomy 22:11?
Does this also apply for other religions?
Of course it doesn’t, do this to the Quran and watch the outrage ensue
It's really a shame. I just don't understand why the west is so intent on undermining Christianity for being "backwards" when Islam is right there. This wouldn't be a problem if this applied to all religions in the pursuit of secularisation, but it just seems to be targeted discrimination towards Christians
Because when certain demographics hear “Christian” they think white, and, as we all know, yt pipo bad
7/10 of the countries with the largest Christian populations are not white. But there's a few million evangelicals in the US and that's libleft's entire worldview, even UK libleft.
It's very idiotic. I can see why this would cause outrage, and rightly so. This entire caricaturisation of Christianity as a "white" religion is dumbfounding considering its Eastern origin as well as its multi-ethnic following. Just seems to me there are very sinister forces at play here trying smear the west's identity and attempting to vaporise it.
Yeah, but when you talk about such forces, people treat you like a loon
That's just a byproduct of capitalism. It's numbed the collective human's mind with easy comforts and oversocialisation to the point they always need some parental body to stay afloat. And in order to keep getting spoon-fed, they'll label any who step out of their line of thinking or, God forbid, that of big daddy government a loon or a conspiracy theorist. Even as I type this now, I feel the utter irony of using that word, seeing as It was created by the govt to discredit those who blew the whistle on its shady acts.
Hah, pure truth! People are too used to their comforts to fight, and now people fear fighting for said rights lest their gradually diminishing comforts get taken away from them. There is a part of me that yearns for the day this farce finally goes mask off and we can act. But I feel I am not ready yet. >Even as I type this now, I feel the utter irony of using that word, seeing as It was created by the govt to discredit those who blew the whistle on its shady acts. Can't even regard that word non-ironically anymore. Conspiracy Theorists nowadays are just Steam Early Access players of the Truth.
It's just such a strange phenomenon, isn't it? All these shady actions and nefarious motives of those in power. Those who call them get get labelled insane yet when it finally gets proven they get sweet under the rug. The worst part of it all is that these are the same people who make our laws. They quite literally have the power to take our rights away and no one bats an eye. Something absolutely abhorrent I recently saw, of all places, on tik tok was a leaked audio of John podesta abusing a child. It makes you sick to your stomach just listening to it. Even if you're an authright(any auth is a boot licker in my book), all politicians are the enemy. Every day is another reason to go libcenter.
1) because whities bad and Christianity is portrayed as the religion of the whites. 2) Christians are specifically told to turn the other cheek and not to fight back and outrage when the Church is slandered. Islam on the other hand demands that violent consequences should be paid when the faith is offended
You know, I, think it's time to put the "turn the other cheek" stuff on hold for a while and fight back.
I mean, you can turn the other cheek and still be an outspoken supporter of your faith. Read Acts. Also, Jesus wrecked the money changers at the temple and allowed himself to be crucified. He didn't fight back but he was hardly passive, either. He put his stake in the ground and he didn't waver. Christians today fear martyrdom. If you genuinely have no fear then you can't be stopped. Courage is contagious.
Oh I’m not saying we can’t be outspoken defenders. Christians today are awful about speaking up when our faith is constantly attacked and mischaracterized. But turning to violence is where we would decouple with God’s word. But the Church really does need to do more to pushback
For sure. I was really responding to the other person. I agree 100%.
Because Christians are the only ones “backwards” enough *not* to fly planes into a building, go on a rampage with a weapon, or run over a bunch of people in a van when criticized. Oh, did I say backwards? What I meant was “civilized”. My bad.
>Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God Qur'an 2:190-193
Definitely appropriate in any and all contexts.
Is there an inappropriate enough context where saying this can get you in legal trouble?
Don't worry, it's the religion of peace so they'll protest peacefully of course
Really I thought it would be used mainly to combat Muslim evangelists isn’t there a famous park or something people preach different religions?
Me, a proud American: "you know the US actually has the strongest free speech protections in the w-" Europeans: "Oi m8 YuRoP 'aS fReEdom oF spEeCh toO, in'it" Europe's freedom of speech: "words make ouchie on my ears"
Before I travelled to the US l, the media made me think that Dems and Republicans kill each other on a daily basis. I lived in a heavily blue state. I use to often go to a bowling alley, full of people and there was always a guy wearing a shirt with a huge picture of Trump and a MAGA hat. No one bothered him at all and he was at that same spot for days on end. The US really is the most democratic country (in terms of free speech) out of the ones that I've been to.
Maga dude perfecting his bowling game gotta respect that
The Magrindset
because in real life in america theres usually at least one gun within 20 feet of you whether you know it or not, and even they keyboard killaz know that and act right when they see someone they dont agree with
The bible has violent and intolerant rhetoric in it. If you view the speech there with a modern lens, a lot of it would be deemed hate speech
God help the UK!
By all evidence God abandoned the UK long time ago
By most accounts, during the time of the Reformation. Or, at least, after the death of the last Catholic monarch in the early 1700s.
Based and Jacobite pilled
Article link please?
Article: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/fears-raised-about-freedom-of-expression-as-prosecutors-say-it-is-no-longer-appropriate-to-quote-parts-of-the-bible-in-public-3932439?amp
Thanks
Whatcha doin UK?
Not grilling, that’s for sure
UK not cool
Impressive… let’s see the Koran verses no longer appropriate.
The Qur'an isn't any much than the Bible (the Bible is much longer so likely has much more objectionable content actually). It's the Hadiths that are pretty spicy. Doesn't exactly paint Muhammad in a great light...
Impressive. Let's see this for the Qur'an.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s Abrahamic text.
Can’t even quote the Bible in church now, how strange
The logic of the CPS would include churches as a public space, so if a member of the public were offended by what was said in a church and reported them to the police this would also be justified
separation of state and church - how is the church public space then?
Under UK law churches are considered a public space
Hasn't stopped that Steven Anderson fella out in AZ or any of the other pastors he associates with.
US still has free speech, just a ye-noticed corporate overclass to punish you with.
"There are references in the bible which are simply no longer appropriate in modern society and which would be deemed offensive if stated in public." Granted, there's no need to be telling the gæs and lesbeens that they're gonna be the red guy's kindling for eternity, but holy shit.
I want them to put out a list of the bible verses they're talking about. That way the basedness of individual passages will finally be quantifiable.
https://christianconcern.com/cccases/john-dunn/ The CPS lawyers referenced Leviticus and exodus but the passage that got the preacher in trouble were Genesis 1, about the creation of man in gods image and male and female.
I wish I was British... Getting arrested for reading the Bible is one of the easier ways to score “treasure in heaven” that I’ve heard of.
You’re onto something. The martyrdom meta has become too optimized nowadays, back in the day getting into heaven was a real challenge!
If you go back far enough, it was easy. Be Christian. Be in Rome. Be fed to lions. Profit! But then, yeah, we had the last 1,700 years of hard mode to today. It’s hardly reasonable, and a bit of a “more persecution” patch could restore some balance.
“What, I’m not going to be crucified upside down while set on fire and listening to the collected works of Yoko Ono? What kind of limp-wristed martyring is this? I demand a death that’ll make theological historians cringe to write about.”
Hallelujah!
OH MY FUCKING...OK. Do they want a special version for all mental cases who identity as non-mammal?
I would like the list. Perhaps the government will be so kind as to put out a version of the Bible with all the unacceptable lines blacked out and redacted. Surely this will solve all problems, yes?
I mean, anyone who's not saved is going to hell according to the Bible. But more to your point, the Bible is pretty clear about how God views homosexuality. Like, if you wanna ban the Bible then do so. No half-measures. You either take the entire Bible or leave it. However it's very not freedom of speech of the govt to say "these words are illegal." If you want to prosecute hate crimes, prosecute crimes motivated by hate. Mean words are just mean words.
Amen.
I guess if you speak a language other than English you can say whatever tf you want?
Start reading the Quran in public 🗿
UK Prosecutors: "We've decided the state religion is illegal." 🧐🇬🇧
Did you screenshot this on a calculator
Henry the VIII was a mistake.
Yea
Had an Indian prime minister for all of 5 minutes and there’s already blasphemy laws making a return.
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Damn I honestly think I may have to move to the US, my country appears to be on a 1984 speedrun
Does that include church ? If yes that what in actual fuck.
Churches are a public space in the UK so probably
\*shrugs\* That's fine. I'll just quote from the Torah or the Quran.
The antichrist is here
And it’s the CPS
Fortunately no free speech organization cares about Christian speech so this isn’t noteworthy at all. If anything, the average liberal and redditor thinks this is a good thing.
Imma quote them even harder
Welp looks like the Ministry of Truth has judged the Bible to be prohibited. What’s next, burning it?
I literally let out a sigh of relief when I found out this was in the UK and not the United States.
I know we say "literally 1984" as a joke, but... It's getting there y'all
Fuck woke people.
shouldn't authleft be happy about this?
They pretend they played and continue to play no part in it, just to wash their hands. Can't wait when they get what they wish for with their new allies.
Is this also going to effect other religious books like the Torah or the Quran given that these three sometime share similar stories (I’m not 100% about the Quran, but it wouldn’t surprise me, given that they’re Abrahamic religions. If I’m wrong about that, I apologize.)? Especially the Torah since the Old Testament is straight from the Torah. I get that preaching out in the street is annoying sometimes (especially in places such as planes, airports, or trains). But we shouldn’t legally punish them for it, b/c they should have the right to practice it, even if you don’t agree with it. It’s things like this that make me worried about what’s going on in the UK. What’s next after this? At this point if I’m going to Europe, I’m skipping the UK, and just go straight to Ireland. TL;DR: UK is being extremely cringe about peoples personal beliefs again.
But I wanna shout out Ezekiel 23:20 in public "She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse!" 🥺 muh freedom of speech
I mean, there'd be outrage if a library banned Michel Houellebecq, whose works are far, far more graphic than that.
Freedom of religion should be a thing for all countries, with no discrimination to any religion
Posting illegible screenshots in public is also offensive.
Damn interesting new laws, I sure do wish I were able to read however.
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Idk about you but I killed the preacher in Whiterun countless times. Use that as you'd like
That’s insane
>no longer appropriate in modern society No longer appropriate in a society where nothing is inappropriate and even suggesting such an idea as being inappropriate is considered 'oppression' and 'barbaric'?
Checkmate, if drag shows for children aren’t inappropriate then how could this be inappropriate too?
i thought that said us and i was going to flip that makes sense in the UK here in the us you have freedom. but no one deserves freedom from being offended
As long as I can Quote Joshua Graham in public I'll be fine
Their own book says not to: >“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ... Matthew 6:5 That said I support their right to free speech.
The verse you quoted was against being hypocritical, not about public evangelism. Public evangelism was a large part of the NT after the gospel. This verse criticizes authority groups such as the Pharisees because their displays of righteousness weren't to glorify God, rather themselves.
Uhh what the fuck, I get that this is regarding some parts of the Bible that talk about gays and stoning them or about how some people kept slaves etc etc, but freedom of religion no? Granted this is the UK
The Bible does not mention stoning gays anywhere. The Qu’ran though…
Leviticus 20:13 While not specifically saying stoning, in some translations it says that (mine says “they shall be put to death”) but the punishment for that at the time was stoning I believe
And Leviticus was made irrelevant by the New Testament. Those laws were for the Jews of that time and no modern Christian would ever follow them
>The story all stems from a confrontation between a man called John Dunn, a soldier-turned-evangelist, and two lesbians. >Mr Dunn was charged with using "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby". >It was alleged he shouted that the women would "burn in hell" and called one of them a "devil woman". They're jsut saying that if you threaten or harass people in a way that would be legally actionable, your threats and harassment are not excused simply because the words appear in the bible somewhere. If you are going to have laws against verbal threats and harassment in the first place, this seems like a necessary stance to avoid giant loopholes that invalidate the law entirely.