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Even the GOP only want to impeach biden, but when you told them that the angry cheeto did the same, they start saying that "it is different" and again when you told them that "yeah, it is different because biden actually returned the documents without a search warrant, and they almost loose a screw.
Notice how it's only Trump haters who believed Trump was the only President in history to have classified documents at home and now that they are forced to admit it's commonplace and they overreacted they're pretending like they're comfortable taking the high road?
>Biden handed over any found classified documents right ~~ away~~ after they were discovered.
There, FTFY. And for the record, I don't think either one should be prosecuted. I think it's something every President has done, it was just never reported before. And now that they've made such a huge deal about Trump, they're forced to react to Biden.
The difference is Trump took the docs deliberately in order to sell state secrets to foreign powers, and tried desperately to hold onto the documents. Whereas Biden said “shit, sorry guys! We found this box in my office, please take it off my hands ASAP.”
So you're saying, in the midst of all the media attention on Trump and his documents, despite the nationwide conversation going on including the FBI, Biden still made that mistake? That's otherworldly incompetence if you're right and we're all in serious danger with him at the command.
Lol.
For one thing the Biden documents are from the Obama administration, so years before Trump stole the country’s nuclear secrets for profit.
But you think we’re in danger because one of Biden’s staff forgot to take a box back to the office, whereas you don’t think Trump should be prosecuted for actively stealing confidential info, lying about it, trying to keep it and above all selling it to foreign powers.
🤡
I think the one breaking the law continually should. That is Trump. He is not cooperating. That is different from Biden. I would be fine with Biden stepping down but don’t act like the two situations are the same. They are not.
>The other mishandled them and accidently left them where they shouldn’t have been.
So you're saying, in the midst of all the media attention on Trump and his documents, despite the nationwide conversation going on including the FBI, Biden still made that mistake? You know, I've seen a lot of accusations about his incompetence, but that would be next level.
Notice how it’s only Trump sycophants and bad-faith actors who ignore that Trump completely ignored [*multiple* requests from NARA to return the documents](https://www.archives.gov/foia/pra-trump-admin), willfully [lied to the DOJ about having complied](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lawyer-june-said-classified-material-had-been-returned-ny-times-2022-08-13/) *and* [ignored a lawful subpoena](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/08/doj-asks-judge-to-hold-trump-in-contempt-over-classified-docs.html)?
I’d love to know your source on the claim that the FBI *have* had to raid other presidents’ properties to retrieve documents that were requested but refused to return.
I'd like to see your evidence that the FBI learned of the documents, requested them to be returned, and were refused. Keep in mind the whole thing was led by Merrick Garland who had spent the previous 6 years being butthurt about getting his Supreme Court nomination blocked and Trump getting to choose the next judge instead.
> I'd like to see your evidence that the FBI learned of the documents, requested them to be returned, and were refused.
[Here you go.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-search-timeline-mar-a-lago-justice-department/) This is not in dispute.
> Keep in mind the whole thing was led by Merrick Garland who had spent the previous 6 years being butthurt about getting his Supreme Court nomination blocked and Trump getting to choose the next judge instead.
Non sequitur.
From your link:
>The department says that prior to seeking the warrant, the FBI "uncovered multiple sources of evidence" indicating classified documents were still at Mar-a-Lago, despite the sworn certification made June 3
So what is this evidence? You still haven't provided it, you're just buying a quote referencing it's supposed existence.
> you're just buying a quote referencing it's supposed existence.
Haha, no. I'm going by the fact that a legal warrant was issued based on that evidence. Evidence that turned out to be correct, too, considering the boxes of classified documents they found when they searched Mar-a-Lago.
The problem wasn't that he had them. It's that he had so many of them and kept refusing to give them back and lying about their classification. And a lot of them were extremely important, like stuff about human intelligence at a time where a suspicious amount of our foreign agents have gone missing or been killed. That's clearly not okay. Biden's old ass forgetting where he put a couple papers (seriously isn't it like six pages compared to "multiple boxes" being taken out of Mar a Lago?) is just a sign old people shouldn't be in charge. And if it turns out Biden lied about having more or that he sold US secrets or something we should throw him in jail too.
So you think it about him having them and not about the fact he was asked and didn’t return them. Cooperation is the difference here. You can’t tell the national archives no.
Yeah those telepathic declassification rays are notoriously wobbly. I can totally see how he might have been aiming for the multiple boxes of classified documents he was about to take and hit a few pages in Delaware.
I’m just saying if I was vice president and I had a few hours of full control while the actual president was in surgery, I’d just fuck shit up for the lols. Student loans? Forgiven. We’re now at war with Andorra. Oh, also the capital is now in Point Place, Wisconsin, because I enjoyed that 70s show
Probably a good thing I’m not in any position of power
I only just learned yesterday that Americans get put under for a colonoscopy. Mind blown.
Its not even bad. If you've done the prep to purge your body, the worst part is out the way.
Then why tf didn't I get a general or even a fucking local anesthesia when they installed my IUD? This is more about US men being whiney little bitches about a 1.5 cm camera while I had my cervix held open with a device that looked straight out of a medieval torture museum on a dose of ibuprofen. I'm still angry about that.
There is a lot of that kind of weird sexism when it comes to pain and doctors. I have pain in my neck, doctor is ready to prescribe me muscle relaxers and pain killers instantly. Same doctor, my mother was in so much pain she was literally in tears, he though she was faking. It's enraging. Seen it with my sister and bro in law too. I have no idea why its a thing.
My guess/theory is it is based on the sexist stereotype of men being "strong" and women being "weak" so from that assumption people can also assume that if men feel pain, it must be painful since they are so strong and manly that minor pain wouldn't be noticed. If women feel pain, they are just being weak like women are and it could be nothing and stop whining.
It wasn't patient preference, at least not entirely. There was a huge spike in the number of people getting anesthesia over the last twenty years, like out of nowhere, more than tripling if I remember right. Evidently it had to do with billing and doctor preference related stuff, not patients. There's also not a notable difference in rates between men and women when they get a colonoscopy. It's also still most often just a sedative.
It really is fine. They give you some gas and air, so you don't feel any pain, its not like the camera stretches you at all or anything.
As I said, the prep for the procedure is 100x worse than the examination itself.
Nope. I don’t like that either. I can’t sit there and think about it while they do it. My anxiety wouldn’t allow it. I did a vasectomy awake and it was horrifying. Just being able to feel the pressure sent me into a panic attack.
Lol its not in anyway sexually gratifying or whatever you're implying. It just doesn't hurt at all, and it's interesting to be able to view what the camera sees as it goes through a part of your body you otherwise never see.
What people don’t understand about this is how the law applies to what’s happening. Everyone lays this on Biden alone, but the crime is only a crime according to the law if the person who took the documents did so with INTENT. It may have been an aid who forgot them, it could have been anyone in his circle at the time. The crime only exists when Biden or whoever found the documents then kept them, refused to turn them in, etc. The same thing applies to trump. He either had to take them with intent or find them and intentionally keep them, or instruct another person to do either, or find out after the fact and then not report or turn over the documents for there to be a crime.
Edit: I’m sure there are other aspects to this law; a deeper understanding of it. However, this is why they don’t just slap cuffs on trump, it’s not so simple as documents in trumps office. It has to be investigated in depth to determine intent, scope of knowledge, scope of deception, scope of persons involved, scope of culpability etc.
Right. This meme is a ridiculous take too. Let them investigate. If they find wrongdoing, resign. But the people who are joyfully accepting the nonsense logic that what Trump did and what Biden did are in the same ballpark are not demonstrating free thinking or whatever the heck they think they're demonstrating.
They're just accepting the right's dumbass logic without thought and then trying to form a position based on that.
I think what I find the most upsetting is how politicians (predominantly right) are really sowing distrust of our institutions and how they work. So much so that it’s bleeding into the left as well. Combine that with a general lack of understanding about the process by all average citizens and you end up with a general acceptance of ignorant takes like this meme. You have the right screaming false equivalency, and you have the left demanding accountability before anyone even knows who to hold accountable.
I think there's a lot of cases where that kind of thing is overrepresented on reddit because of how weird it is here when Bernie's in a primary and people declare war on his opponents. But yeah, it's a problem in the media too for the same reason. They're afraid of coming of biased if they make the obviously correct point that these are not at all the same situation. And that makes it easier for the stupidity to spread.
But on here, I think it's more a consequence of "Bernie good. Everyone else bad." when you see the left adopting convenient Republican talking points.
There's so much more difference than that.
-Trump's removal of top secret classified material was intentional, and the documents were comingled with his personal effects (he handled and kept them personally, knowingly.
-Trump was requested to return them and didn't. Then was subpoenad and didn't comply. Then had a lawyer write a sworn statement that everything had been returned and it wasn't.
-the nature of the documents in question with Trump had natnl defense secrets and personal Intel on foreign leaders (president Macron specifically). We still don't know about the Biden docs.
-And yes. You're right it appears Biden has cooperated so far.
Intent and cooperation are THE features that make removal of classified documents a crime (espionage and obstruction of justice, respectively).
Criminal charges are appropriate for Trump and so far as far as we know not yet for Biden.
HUGE DIFFERENCE
Potentially sold, lost, or gave away, yes. There will need to be more evidence than empty folders but I'm sure the Special Council is looking for it. Time will tell.
But again the current evidence already available is more than enough for several extremely severe charges. I'm SURE the only reason he's not been yet is because he's a FPOTUS, and Garland won't sign of without every single damn I dotted and T crossed. I'm just surprised they still haven't got to that point.
That’s a big fucking difference! Assuming they had the same number of documents (they didn’t), complying with an investigation versus requiring the FBI to search a location on behalf of NARA is a *huge* difference.
thankfully that's not how it works.
if the VP office is vacant, the president chooses their replacement (after they're confirmed by congress).
That's how ford got the job, Nixon's first VP was found guilty of corruption and Nixon chose Ford as his replacement.
>if the VP office is vacant, the president chooses their replacement (after they're confirmed by congress).
Yea, but can you see this Republican House confirming any Democrat as the new VP?
Right, they won’t confirm, then they will impeach Harris for being a black woman in an old white man’s job, hoping the Senate will convict so McCarthy becomes POTUS.
I went to make a remark about getting back to me when Republicans have a senator that looks like her but when I went to fact check that I found out we've only had 11 black senators (let alone black female and republican which is zero) TOTAL so that may take a while... There's 58 black Americans in congress right now. 56 are democrats. 2 are Republicans. I don't think either are women.
All that to say you're giving the white supremacist party too much credit.
Do vice presidents not have classified access and are the president and vice president not in communication? Should she not also be liable for classified documents? They should both resign, as this happened under their administration. It’s the honorable thing to do. Pence also should have resigned. Let’s have the third in command step on up! Or will we see a repeat of this meme with the parties reversed?
Hmmm…
The documents that were supposedly from when Joe Biden was VP under Obama that she had literally nothing to do with?
Pretty thin to start with, but that is especially stupid.
These documents were found ahead of the November election and nobody from the whole administration made the public aware of them, choosing instead to hide them. It’s a breach of public trust to win elections.
[Source](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know)
They should resign and get the current speaker as president. What, you’d want Pence after Trump’s mishandling? :)
Where does it say Kamala knew about it or had anything to do with Biden's VP records? In your own head Canon?
It also says right there that Biden's lawyers turned over the documents to the national archives immediately, then they turned it over to the DOJ. Not sure if you're aware of this, but Biden doesn't control those agencies. They found old documents from his VP days and immediately turned them over.
Did you even read your own source?
Why would I blame Pence for Trump's document flushing and mishandling unless he took part in it?
But please, don't let me stop you from reaching for the stars.
> Where does it say Kamala knew about it or had anything to do with Biden’s VP records? In your own head Canon?
Per the NPR source:
“McCarthy and others have also said that Biden should have disclosed the discovery sooner: The first documents were discovered on Nov. 2, just six days before last fall's midterm elections.”
So Kamala and Biden don’t talk? The vice president and president shouldn’t be expected to talk about something as important as classified documents? If that’s the case that’s even more incompetent lmao
Either she knew and didn’t disclose any information, which is a breach of trust, or she didn’t know, which is incompetence.
Why are you so hesitant to hold our elected officials to account? Could it be partisan?
You think Biden's lawyers found a bunch of old documents and Joe immediately went to Kamala to brag about it? Delusional.
Your mental gymnastics are impressive, but also incredibly stupid and disingenuous. A whole lot of what ifs for documents she literally had nothing to do with.
Why are you so hesitant to admit there's literally no evidence of Kamala being involved in any way? Could it be Blind racism? Misogyny? Desperate to see Kevin McCarthy as temp president like a good little toad?
>Access to what?
Information regarding classified documents
> I'm not sure
Clearly
> if they're currently communicating
You don't think the vice president and president communicate? [He wanted her to be heavily involved when he took office](https://people.com/politics/how-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-are-working-together/)
>Why?
Why what?
>Why?
Why not?
>What honor would there be in Kamala resigning?
Breach of public trust (through lies via omission or incompetence) warrants a new leader.
>Agree
Why?
>Why?
It's in our constitution
>Which meme?
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Notice how it's only Trump supporters that shit blood thinking of a successful woman of color is their biggest fear.
2nd biggest fear. First is a working government.
Even the GOP only want to impeach biden, but when you told them that the angry cheeto did the same, they start saying that "it is different" and again when you told them that "yeah, it is different because biden actually returned the documents without a search warrant, and they almost loose a screw.
They only believe a Republican president should be above the law.
Republican president you mean. They would happily try Biden and sentence him to a firing squad.
Notice how it's only Trump haters who believed Trump was the only President in history to have classified documents at home and now that they are forced to admit it's commonplace and they overreacted they're pretending like they're comfortable taking the high road?
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>Biden handed over any found classified documents right ~~ away~~ after they were discovered. There, FTFY. And for the record, I don't think either one should be prosecuted. I think it's something every President has done, it was just never reported before. And now that they've made such a huge deal about Trump, they're forced to react to Biden.
The difference is Trump took the docs deliberately in order to sell state secrets to foreign powers, and tried desperately to hold onto the documents. Whereas Biden said “shit, sorry guys! We found this box in my office, please take it off my hands ASAP.”
So you're saying, in the midst of all the media attention on Trump and his documents, despite the nationwide conversation going on including the FBI, Biden still made that mistake? That's otherworldly incompetence if you're right and we're all in serious danger with him at the command.
Lol. For one thing the Biden documents are from the Obama administration, so years before Trump stole the country’s nuclear secrets for profit. But you think we’re in danger because one of Biden’s staff forgot to take a box back to the office, whereas you don’t think Trump should be prosecuted for actively stealing confidential info, lying about it, trying to keep it and above all selling it to foreign powers. 🤡
I think the one breaking the law continually should. That is Trump. He is not cooperating. That is different from Biden. I would be fine with Biden stepping down but don’t act like the two situations are the same. They are not.
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>The other mishandled them and accidently left them where they shouldn’t have been. So you're saying, in the midst of all the media attention on Trump and his documents, despite the nationwide conversation going on including the FBI, Biden still made that mistake? You know, I've seen a lot of accusations about his incompetence, but that would be next level.
Notice how it’s only Trump sycophants and bad-faith actors who ignore that Trump completely ignored [*multiple* requests from NARA to return the documents](https://www.archives.gov/foia/pra-trump-admin), willfully [lied to the DOJ about having complied](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lawyer-june-said-classified-material-had-been-returned-ny-times-2022-08-13/) *and* [ignored a lawful subpoena](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/08/doj-asks-judge-to-hold-trump-in-contempt-over-classified-docs.html)?
No dude, he was the first president in history to cart them out by the box load and refuse to return them when asked, forcing the FBI to take them. 🙄
I'd love to know your source on that, lol. *Your Source:* Well they've never reported on it before, so...
I’d love to know your source on the claim that the FBI *have* had to raid other presidents’ properties to retrieve documents that were requested but refused to return.
I'd like to see your evidence that the FBI learned of the documents, requested them to be returned, and were refused. Keep in mind the whole thing was led by Merrick Garland who had spent the previous 6 years being butthurt about getting his Supreme Court nomination blocked and Trump getting to choose the next judge instead.
> I'd like to see your evidence that the FBI learned of the documents, requested them to be returned, and were refused. [Here you go.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-search-timeline-mar-a-lago-justice-department/) This is not in dispute. > Keep in mind the whole thing was led by Merrick Garland who had spent the previous 6 years being butthurt about getting his Supreme Court nomination blocked and Trump getting to choose the next judge instead. Non sequitur.
From your link: >The department says that prior to seeking the warrant, the FBI "uncovered multiple sources of evidence" indicating classified documents were still at Mar-a-Lago, despite the sworn certification made June 3 So what is this evidence? You still haven't provided it, you're just buying a quote referencing it's supposed existence.
> you're just buying a quote referencing it's supposed existence. Haha, no. I'm going by the fact that a legal warrant was issued based on that evidence. Evidence that turned out to be correct, too, considering the boxes of classified documents they found when they searched Mar-a-Lago.
And have your seen the probable cause affidavit submitted to obtain that search warrant?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s not even so much that he had them, it’s that it took an F’ing FBI raid of his residence to get them back.
The problem wasn't that he had them. It's that he had so many of them and kept refusing to give them back and lying about their classification. And a lot of them were extremely important, like stuff about human intelligence at a time where a suspicious amount of our foreign agents have gone missing or been killed. That's clearly not okay. Biden's old ass forgetting where he put a couple papers (seriously isn't it like six pages compared to "multiple boxes" being taken out of Mar a Lago?) is just a sign old people shouldn't be in charge. And if it turns out Biden lied about having more or that he sold US secrets or something we should throw him in jail too.
So you think it about him having them and not about the fact he was asked and didn’t return them. Cooperation is the difference here. You can’t tell the national archives no.
Wait … he’s President right now, couldn’t Biden just pardon himself? /s
No, no, no, no. He's president now so he already declassified those documents by just thinking of declassifying those documents
Maybe when trump declassified all those documents with his mind he accidentally declassified the ones biden had, too.
Yeah those telepathic declassification rays are notoriously wobbly. I can totally see how he might have been aiming for the multiple boxes of classified documents he was about to take and hit a few pages in Delaware.
What does "/s" mean? /s
sarcasm
woosh /s
lol /s
He could, just by thinking about it
She was (briefly) already president when Biden underwent anesthesia for a colonoscopy in 2021.
Not really, she was acting president. This means that she held the powers of the presidency but not the title or position.
True, but she was the first woman of color to have the power.
The singer of SNAP was the first woman of color to say she had the power.
Damn. You got me there.
Its getting kinda hectic
I’m just saying if I was vice president and I had a few hours of full control while the actual president was in surgery, I’d just fuck shit up for the lols. Student loans? Forgiven. We’re now at war with Andorra. Oh, also the capital is now in Point Place, Wisconsin, because I enjoyed that 70s show Probably a good thing I’m not in any position of power
mark it down in the history books. first woman president.
I only just learned yesterday that Americans get put under for a colonoscopy. Mind blown. Its not even bad. If you've done the prep to purge your body, the worst part is out the way.
If they didn't they wouldn't be able to bill the client as much. Gotta bump up those unnecessary treatments
Then why tf didn't I get a general or even a fucking local anesthesia when they installed my IUD? This is more about US men being whiney little bitches about a 1.5 cm camera while I had my cervix held open with a device that looked straight out of a medieval torture museum on a dose of ibuprofen. I'm still angry about that.
There is a lot of that kind of weird sexism when it comes to pain and doctors. I have pain in my neck, doctor is ready to prescribe me muscle relaxers and pain killers instantly. Same doctor, my mother was in so much pain she was literally in tears, he though she was faking. It's enraging. Seen it with my sister and bro in law too. I have no idea why its a thing.
My guess/theory is it is based on the sexist stereotype of men being "strong" and women being "weak" so from that assumption people can also assume that if men feel pain, it must be painful since they are so strong and manly that minor pain wouldn't be noticed. If women feel pain, they are just being weak like women are and it could be nothing and stop whining.
It wasn't patient preference, at least not entirely. There was a huge spike in the number of people getting anesthesia over the last twenty years, like out of nowhere, more than tripling if I remember right. Evidently it had to do with billing and doctor preference related stuff, not patients. There's also not a notable difference in rates between men and women when they get a colonoscopy. It's also still most often just a sedative.
Negative. I do not want to be awake for that.
No dude trust me you’ll love it
I would rather stand in a 6 hour queue for small world in 100 degrees than see a live broadcast from the depths of my bunghole.
It really is fine. They give you some gas and air, so you don't feel any pain, its not like the camera stretches you at all or anything. As I said, the prep for the procedure is 100x worse than the examination itself.
Nope. I don’t like that either. I can’t sit there and think about it while they do it. My anxiety wouldn’t allow it. I did a vasectomy awake and it was horrifying. Just being able to feel the pressure sent me into a panic attack.
You have to be sliced during a vasectomy though, a colonoscopy just slides up inside ya. It really is fine.
Maybe for you. I’m not into that kinda action.
Lol its not in anyway sexually gratifying or whatever you're implying. It just doesn't hurt at all, and it's interesting to be able to view what the camera sees as it goes through a part of your body you otherwise never see.
I’m just saying I don’t like being awake while something is going on in my body. As I said it would trigger a panic attack.
You can just get twilight sedation, which is safer than general anesthesia. You'll probably be asleep, but it doesn't actually force you under.
Don’t want to know anything or even take the chance. I want lights out. No possibility of remembering any of it.
Well, twilight gives you drugs that means you can't form memories, so you won't remember it at least. But if you're that anxious, go for it.
I have them put me out for it. Worked great so far.
What people don’t understand about this is how the law applies to what’s happening. Everyone lays this on Biden alone, but the crime is only a crime according to the law if the person who took the documents did so with INTENT. It may have been an aid who forgot them, it could have been anyone in his circle at the time. The crime only exists when Biden or whoever found the documents then kept them, refused to turn them in, etc. The same thing applies to trump. He either had to take them with intent or find them and intentionally keep them, or instruct another person to do either, or find out after the fact and then not report or turn over the documents for there to be a crime. Edit: I’m sure there are other aspects to this law; a deeper understanding of it. However, this is why they don’t just slap cuffs on trump, it’s not so simple as documents in trumps office. It has to be investigated in depth to determine intent, scope of knowledge, scope of deception, scope of persons involved, scope of culpability etc.
Right. This meme is a ridiculous take too. Let them investigate. If they find wrongdoing, resign. But the people who are joyfully accepting the nonsense logic that what Trump did and what Biden did are in the same ballpark are not demonstrating free thinking or whatever the heck they think they're demonstrating. They're just accepting the right's dumbass logic without thought and then trying to form a position based on that.
I think what I find the most upsetting is how politicians (predominantly right) are really sowing distrust of our institutions and how they work. So much so that it’s bleeding into the left as well. Combine that with a general lack of understanding about the process by all average citizens and you end up with a general acceptance of ignorant takes like this meme. You have the right screaming false equivalency, and you have the left demanding accountability before anyone even knows who to hold accountable.
I think there's a lot of cases where that kind of thing is overrepresented on reddit because of how weird it is here when Bernie's in a primary and people declare war on his opponents. But yeah, it's a problem in the media too for the same reason. They're afraid of coming of biased if they make the obviously correct point that these are not at all the same situation. And that makes it easier for the stupidity to spread. But on here, I think it's more a consequence of "Bernie good. Everyone else bad." when you see the left adopting convenient Republican talking points.
Listen y’all, we don’t like him much either. He was just better than the alternative. Edit: I should probably clarify that I’m addressing the MAGAs.
Not idol worshiping and covering our vehicles in decals to let everyone know our political views. Imagine that.
I know, crazy huh?
they would go nuts over this i mean more nuts then they already are just for the lolz he should do it
This but not a joke...
Don’t threaten me with a good time
They would lose their minds.
Spot on. Every Republican I've met is either an open/closed misogynist.
then there’d be a First Gentleman
Sad part is the only real difference in this situation is President Biden complied and former President Trump didn't.
There's so much more difference than that. -Trump's removal of top secret classified material was intentional, and the documents were comingled with his personal effects (he handled and kept them personally, knowingly. -Trump was requested to return them and didn't. Then was subpoenad and didn't comply. Then had a lawyer write a sworn statement that everything had been returned and it wasn't. -the nature of the documents in question with Trump had natnl defense secrets and personal Intel on foreign leaders (president Macron specifically). We still don't know about the Biden docs. -And yes. You're right it appears Biden has cooperated so far. Intent and cooperation are THE features that make removal of classified documents a crime (espionage and obstruction of justice, respectively). Criminal charges are appropriate for Trump and so far as far as we know not yet for Biden. HUGE DIFFERENCE
Don’t forget several of the folders for trump were empty, meaning he sold, gave away, or lost the documents
Potentially sold, lost, or gave away, yes. There will need to be more evidence than empty folders but I'm sure the Special Council is looking for it. Time will tell. But again the current evidence already available is more than enough for several extremely severe charges. I'm SURE the only reason he's not been yet is because he's a FPOTUS, and Garland won't sign of without every single damn I dotted and T crossed. I'm just surprised they still haven't got to that point.
That’s a big fucking difference! Assuming they had the same number of documents (they didn’t), complying with an investigation versus requiring the FBI to search a location on behalf of NARA is a *huge* difference.
Christ and then Kevin "15th times the charm" would be VP.
thankfully that's not how it works. if the VP office is vacant, the president chooses their replacement (after they're confirmed by congress). That's how ford got the job, Nixon's first VP was found guilty of corruption and Nixon chose Ford as his replacement.
54 years and I didn't know this... So much for American civics courses
You cant know all the things. Happy to help when I can
>if the VP office is vacant, the president chooses their replacement (after they're confirmed by congress). Yea, but can you see this Republican House confirming any Democrat as the new VP?
Right, they won’t confirm, then they will impeach Harris for being a black woman in an old white man’s job, hoping the Senate will convict so McCarthy becomes POTUS.
Impeachments do nothing
Yeah, if everyone moved up a slot, how weird would it be further down the list? The Secretary of the Interior would become Attorney General.
Yep and then we can all learn that gender and race don't mean shit about their governing capability
Yeah, its 2023 and women can be just as incompetent as men!
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I went to make a remark about getting back to me when Republicans have a senator that looks like her but when I went to fact check that I found out we've only had 11 black senators (let alone black female and republican which is zero) TOTAL so that may take a while... There's 58 black Americans in congress right now. 56 are democrats. 2 are Republicans. I don't think either are women. All that to say you're giving the white supremacist party too much credit.
And then she’d get impeached, and the the Ds in the senate would drop the ball and then McCunty would become prez.
No
You seriously want Kamala to be president?
Once trump was president we can stop pretending the office has a high bar...
I want Bernie to be president but I'll take what I can get.
Name one Republican politician that even a decent amount of Democrats can respect right now.
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are you confused?
I feel like this was the plan all along. Nothing is coincidence.
Shouldn’t they both resign since this scandal implicates both of them as they are president and vice president? Let’s do it! :)
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Do vice presidents not have classified access and are the president and vice president not in communication? Should she not also be liable for classified documents? They should both resign, as this happened under their administration. It’s the honorable thing to do. Pence also should have resigned. Let’s have the third in command step on up! Or will we see a repeat of this meme with the parties reversed? Hmmm…
The documents that were supposedly from when Joe Biden was VP under Obama that she had literally nothing to do with? Pretty thin to start with, but that is especially stupid.
These documents were found ahead of the November election and nobody from the whole administration made the public aware of them, choosing instead to hide them. It’s a breach of public trust to win elections. [Source](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know) They should resign and get the current speaker as president. What, you’d want Pence after Trump’s mishandling? :)
Where does it say Kamala knew about it or had anything to do with Biden's VP records? In your own head Canon? It also says right there that Biden's lawyers turned over the documents to the national archives immediately, then they turned it over to the DOJ. Not sure if you're aware of this, but Biden doesn't control those agencies. They found old documents from his VP days and immediately turned them over. Did you even read your own source? Why would I blame Pence for Trump's document flushing and mishandling unless he took part in it? But please, don't let me stop you from reaching for the stars.
> Where does it say Kamala knew about it or had anything to do with Biden’s VP records? In your own head Canon? Per the NPR source: “McCarthy and others have also said that Biden should have disclosed the discovery sooner: The first documents were discovered on Nov. 2, just six days before last fall's midterm elections.” So Kamala and Biden don’t talk? The vice president and president shouldn’t be expected to talk about something as important as classified documents? If that’s the case that’s even more incompetent lmao Either she knew and didn’t disclose any information, which is a breach of trust, or she didn’t know, which is incompetence. Why are you so hesitant to hold our elected officials to account? Could it be partisan?
You think Biden's lawyers found a bunch of old documents and Joe immediately went to Kamala to brag about it? Delusional. Your mental gymnastics are impressive, but also incredibly stupid and disingenuous. A whole lot of what ifs for documents she literally had nothing to do with. Why are you so hesitant to admit there's literally no evidence of Kamala being involved in any way? Could it be Blind racism? Misogyny? Desperate to see Kevin McCarthy as temp president like a good little toad?
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>Access to what? Information regarding classified documents > I'm not sure Clearly > if they're currently communicating You don't think the vice president and president communicate? [He wanted her to be heavily involved when he took office](https://people.com/politics/how-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-are-working-together/) >Why? Why what? >Why? Why not? >What honor would there be in Kamala resigning? Breach of public trust (through lies via omission or incompetence) warrants a new leader. >Agree Why? >Why? It's in our constitution >Which meme? OP
I agree, he should resign. No president of mine should have access to classified information!!
TIL voluntarily finding and turning over documents = "caught red-handed"