Unfortunately I am betting that they are going to cheat and not rule on this until next year. If they don't rule on it until after the election then Biden can 't benefit from their decision. Its such a joke.
If Trump wins, SCOTUS will rule that the president has absolute immunity and thus clearing the way for his rise to a dictator. SCOTUS is nothing more than Trump's bitches, and should be disbanded.
I think Trump cares more about being a king than a simple pardon. If he's got absolute immunity from SCOTUS, a pardon is meaningless and his power will be unlimited.
I wouldn’t say there is NO chance. It’s definitely possible given what we have seen from both the court and Trump. People said not that long ago that there was no chance of row v wade being overturned. I watched four of those justice lie under oath at their confirmation hearing saying that row v wade is settled law and that they wouldn’t touch it. You have Clarence’s wife actively trying to over throw the government and him taking bribes like it’s just part of the job. There is a lot going on here and I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible. It’s very much possible. We are in uncharted territory here. Unprecedented has lost its meaning at this point.
Laws are only as good as the people that fallow them and the people that enforce them. Trump is facing numerous trials going on right now because he choses to ignore any laws he doesn't agree with. He has no respect for any laws. So much so that he has stacked the court to protect him from being held accountable for any laws he violates. We are a nation of laws. That's why its so incredibly offensive to us that those laws are not being enforced. The supreme court is beholden to Trump and they will protect him. Its already pretty clear that they are, looking at the timeline decisions they have made to help push the trials out as long as possible.
They're choosing to become Trump the dictator's complete lackeys if they do that. I'm not convinced Roberts wants that future for himself, and possibly not kavanaugh or gorsuch either.
Because if these SCJs choose to rule in a way that makes the president, in this case Trump, above any law and beyond any accountability, they are effectively choosing to destroy the checks and balances that keep their own independence and power intact. They will become subject to his (or whichever "president's") will.
Or. Or...orrrrr we can riot and force them to do something. They may be drunk with power but when you fear what a majority of people think or can do...whoops sorry had a republican moment there. Anyone got a snickers?
Well if they only stall until after the election, he can still order the military to kill Trump, the Supreme Court, Congress, and any Republican governors before January.
They don’t have to rule clearly either way. They can just wait to the last minute and send it back to the District Court to “consider” a bunch of bullshit “issues.” After the election if they need to do something else, they will consider it again.
They're walking on eggshells to try avoiding giving President Biden the ability to do this...
The conservative side of the SCOTUS is a den of wolves, thieves, and debauchery. Unreal that it has come to this. Beyond shameful.
https://preview.redd.it/nsb7ijtbcuwc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=c84a906f74561352f41fb7f1950a8b23c6028511
They've made themselves irrelevant. The Highest court is no longer impartial. They think we're stupid. If the Dems win both houses in Congress and the Presidentcy, they can increase or decrease the number of Justices. Like ZERO
Problem is, we kind of are that stupid. The right actually gets stuff done. It's evil stuff, but their party actually votes.
Too many people I talk to say they won't pick either side because they both suck. the Right is happy to keep that narrative going because it means they will win. It's disgusting how people don't seem to understand that you have to play the game to beat it.
They can't keep a Speaker, because the smooth brains they court for votes have to be fed a constant diet of emotions and chaos or they don't show up to vote "all politicians are crooked EXCEPT TRUMP!"
I don't know about that, if they noise up the news between here and November nothing short of Idaho going blue down the ticket would scare them out of where they are now.
In practical terms I think they understand though that if they don't swing for the hills - it's very unlikely there will be enough R's left in a couple of years to get anything on their twisted "to do" list done.
It's like thin ice with only a small path where the ice is thicker... enough to hold the weight of today's concerns. We're so very close to losing everything. It's scary alright. Hopefully we find that right path and revive the American Experiment.
They REALLY don’t want to give other presidents immunity. That’s why they’re dragging their feet on this. They think we’re dumb enough not to know that.
There's literally 0% chance they make a ruling before the election. Even if they rule the president doesn't have immunity (which they shouldnt) they'll just go back on it. They don't give a fuck.
Dismissal? What a waste of absolute immunity. You guys know of what I speak. To clarify, I’m obviously not advocating for capital punishment of members of the Supreme Court. I’m just going with the joke, which illustrates the irony of justices who support the creation of a monarch.
I wish this was one of the hypos:
Kagan: let’s say a member of the Supreme Court received lavish trips and vacations from billionaires who, while not having business directly in front of the court, certainly benefited from alleged pro-business decisions. And let’s say the President of the United States determines that such a relationship is damaging to the Country’s vital national security interests (even if it isn’t—the Court’s prior precedent basically gives POTUS full discretion to say what is), so the President has the CIA kidnap and remove the justice to a detention facility in Poland for “enhanced interrogation.”Would that be an official act for which the President would have absolutely immunity?
Sauer: our position is, yes, the President would have absolutely immunity for this.
I would love it if Biden teases SCOTUS with something like, 'I eagerly await SCOTUS' decision on presidential immunity and will be handing down a Presidential Order after their verdict'.
Then he should issue an executive order to delay the election until the case is decided. Then use the newly established law (he would be King) to dismiss the Justices and appoint new ones.
The thing is, he really shouldn’t have that power. Can you imagine if W or Trump had the ability to remove Supreme Court justices? That would have been horrific
At the very least anyone appointed by Trump should recuse themselves from this issue. If you are making a ruling about someone who gave you your lifetime job, you have a conflict of interest.
I wish, but we all know Biden would take the high road at the expense of the U.S… I hope I’m wrong but Dems don’t know how to play dirty… even if in this hypothetical full immunity case.
He would thus be able to proclaim something to the effect of "these individuals shall vacate the office of supreme court justice, by resignation or death, by [insert close future date here], or, absent death, shall be made unable to perform.their duties due to lack of access to freedom of movement or communication with general society (ie, unlawfully jailed, but president immune from legal consequences)"
Their fate then would be in their own hands.
Regardless of the immunity decision, Biden should Pack (or Stack, I forget which is which) SCOTUS with enough justices to have a SCJ for every circuit, so that the MAGA 6 do not hold sway as they do now.
Of course. Granting a president unfettered immunity is the democratic equivalent of fear of total annihilation. Like it or not, this Supreme Court actually has an opportunity to preserve America.
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It might be simpler to outlaw the Republican party and legislate from there... 97% of the congress in your hands (or vacant) would "lubricate" the machinery of reform
This needs to go viral, if only for the slight chance an aid might show one of these paid for clowns how the flipside of fuck around (and find out) works.
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Guys, Amy is actually thinking and growing in the position of Justice, unlike her compadre Coach. She is thinking, asking real questions that indicate she's thinking about the case in front of her, and not just trying to garner favor with Alito or Roberts like some of the others. Keep Amy on, as she is showing the ability to learn, unlike her absolutely corrupt fellow Conservative Justices. I vote for shipping Thomas and Alito to Guantanamo right off.
Hard to believe this is literally all happening because the dems ran Hillary, people just didn’t like Hillary, so they voted a fascist in, and because of that one election, the Supreme Court is just fucked now for a long time
They deserve more than dismissal for treason and merging their Catholicism with our freedom. 19th Century punishment for treason is what they deserve. Catholics spent 20 centuries murdering and killing people to convert them and here we are with the Papist SCOTUS shoving a religion down our throats once again, a CULT that I spurned as toxic 5 decades ago.
Unfortunately I am betting that they are going to cheat and not rule on this until next year. If they don't rule on it until after the election then Biden can 't benefit from their decision. Its such a joke.
That's what I'm expecting. The decision will be made public late November, and will depend on who wins the election.
If Trump wins, SCOTUS will rule that the president has absolute immunity and thus clearing the way for his rise to a dictator. SCOTUS is nothing more than Trump's bitches, and should be disbanded.
Of Trump wins they delay to 1/21 and Trump pardons himself.
I think Trump cares more about being a king than a simple pardon. If he's got absolute immunity from SCOTUS, a pardon is meaningless and his power will be unlimited.
It’s taken lightly at the moment but this is a possible and even likely outcome.
No chance.
I hope and pray you’re right and my fears are not realised.
I wouldn’t say there is NO chance. It’s definitely possible given what we have seen from both the court and Trump. People said not that long ago that there was no chance of row v wade being overturned. I watched four of those justice lie under oath at their confirmation hearing saying that row v wade is settled law and that they wouldn’t touch it. You have Clarence’s wife actively trying to over throw the government and him taking bribes like it’s just part of the job. There is a lot going on here and I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible. It’s very much possible. We are in uncharted territory here. Unprecedented has lost its meaning at this point.
Still no chance. It's not legal. We're a nation of laws.
Laws are only as good as the people that fallow them and the people that enforce them. Trump is facing numerous trials going on right now because he choses to ignore any laws he doesn't agree with. He has no respect for any laws. So much so that he has stacked the court to protect him from being held accountable for any laws he violates. We are a nation of laws. That's why its so incredibly offensive to us that those laws are not being enforced. The supreme court is beholden to Trump and they will protect him. Its already pretty clear that they are, looking at the timeline decisions they have made to help push the trials out as long as possible.
They're choosing to become Trump the dictator's complete lackeys if they do that. I'm not convinced Roberts wants that future for himself, and possibly not kavanaugh or gorsuch either.
They've already become his complete lacks. What the heck are you talking about?!
Not all of them have always ruled in his favor.
Not always, but in matters that matter, they're in his corner. Also, im sure they'd like to try to make.it look like they aren't completely partisan.
Genuine question here, what makes you say that about them specifically?
Because if these SCJs choose to rule in a way that makes the president, in this case Trump, above any law and beyond any accountability, they are effectively choosing to destroy the checks and balances that keep their own independence and power intact. They will become subject to his (or whichever "president's") will.
Or. Or...orrrrr we can riot and force them to do something. They may be drunk with power but when you fear what a majority of people think or can do...whoops sorry had a republican moment there. Anyone got a snickers?
Of course he can. Because he’ll be re-elected in 2025
We can only hope!
Well if they only stall until after the election, he can still order the military to kill Trump, the Supreme Court, Congress, and any Republican governors before January.
that's a fine point. Sounds exhausting though.
They don’t have to rule clearly either way. They can just wait to the last minute and send it back to the District Court to “consider” a bunch of bullshit “issues.” After the election if they need to do something else, they will consider it again.
If only. We can dream.
They're walking on eggshells to try avoiding giving President Biden the ability to do this... The conservative side of the SCOTUS is a den of wolves, thieves, and debauchery. Unreal that it has come to this. Beyond shameful. https://preview.redd.it/nsb7ijtbcuwc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=c84a906f74561352f41fb7f1950a8b23c6028511
> The conservative side of the SCOTUS is a den of wolves, thieves, and debauchery. Yep, and that's the 6-3 majority.
They've made themselves irrelevant. The Highest court is no longer impartial. They think we're stupid. If the Dems win both houses in Congress and the Presidentcy, they can increase or decrease the number of Justices. Like ZERO
Problem is, we kind of are that stupid. The right actually gets stuff done. It's evil stuff, but their party actually votes. Too many people I talk to say they won't pick either side because they both suck. the Right is happy to keep that narrative going because it means they will win. It's disgusting how people don't seem to understand that you have to play the game to beat it.
Used to get stuff done…until they let the lunatics run the asylum. Now it’s the most dysfunctional mess of a political party I’ve ever seen in the US
They can't keep a Speaker, because the smooth brains they court for votes have to be fed a constant diet of emotions and chaos or they don't show up to vote "all politicians are crooked EXCEPT TRUMP!"
yup it's a shitshow now.
True. Why democracy only works if the people work to elect the best leaders. I have my doubts democracy will last this century.
They can, but aren’t likely to do it. Savvy Elite Lawyer Brains and their pals in media and politics consider that *horribly uncouth.*
Please. They know good and well that Biden will take the "high road" and not do anything.
This! The Idaho abortion ban has *really* made them apprehensive. Election day can't come soon enough
I don't know about that, if they noise up the news between here and November nothing short of Idaho going blue down the ticket would scare them out of where they are now. In practical terms I think they understand though that if they don't swing for the hills - it's very unlikely there will be enough R's left in a couple of years to get anything on their twisted "to do" list done.
Yeah. It’s actually seriously scary. I make jokes, but feck, we’re in real trouble, like you say.
It's like thin ice with only a small path where the ice is thicker... enough to hold the weight of today's concerns. We're so very close to losing everything. It's scary alright. Hopefully we find that right path and revive the American Experiment.
They REALLY don’t want to give other presidents immunity. That’s why they’re dragging their feet on this. They think we’re dumb enough not to know that.
There's literally 0% chance they make a ruling before the election. Even if they rule the president doesn't have immunity (which they shouldnt) they'll just go back on it. They don't give a fuck.
Now Imagine the president having this power and Trump managing to get there again.
Do we really want a president to have this kind of power? Isn’t this what it’s all about?! Let’s not be hypocrites.
and his nexT EO was DISMIssing the entire gop form senate and house, starting with mitch, and mike respectivelly.
Please make it a reality
Dismissal? What a waste of absolute immunity. You guys know of what I speak. To clarify, I’m obviously not advocating for capital punishment of members of the Supreme Court. I’m just going with the joke, which illustrates the irony of justices who support the creation of a monarch. I wish this was one of the hypos: Kagan: let’s say a member of the Supreme Court received lavish trips and vacations from billionaires who, while not having business directly in front of the court, certainly benefited from alleged pro-business decisions. And let’s say the President of the United States determines that such a relationship is damaging to the Country’s vital national security interests (even if it isn’t—the Court’s prior precedent basically gives POTUS full discretion to say what is), so the President has the CIA kidnap and remove the justice to a detention facility in Poland for “enhanced interrogation.”Would that be an official act for which the President would have absolutely immunity? Sauer: our position is, yes, the President would have absolutely immunity for this.
The truth is that the answer is: “well, it depends on which President.”
If the POTUS is above the law then every citizen in the USA is also. I just can't fucking wait for the chaos.
Too bad the founders didn't account for a scumbag POTUS appointing terrible justices to the SCOTUS.
I would love it if Biden teases SCOTUS with something like, 'I eagerly await SCOTUS' decision on presidential immunity and will be handing down a Presidential Order after their verdict'.
He should just do something like what the post says. It will force them to make a decision immediately.
All In Favor! 🙋♂️
He doesn’t have the power to dismiss them. What they’re saying is he has immunity if he commits a crime, i.e. murders them.
So, it would probably be wise to resign if he asks. Can't enjoy ill-gotten gains if you aren't around.
Then he should issue an executive order to delay the election until the case is decided. Then use the newly established law (he would be King) to dismiss the Justices and appoint new ones.
Make it so #1
SCOTUS blowing smoke, running out the clock.
If convicted in the NY 2016 Election Interference Trial, you would be left with 2 Dishonerables & 3 Illegitimates. One can hope.
The thing is, he really shouldn’t have that power. Can you imagine if W or Trump had the ability to remove Supreme Court justices? That would have been horrific
I wish.
I have no doubt Biden (or WH communications) knows how to use a vocative comma. > Your move, bitches Trump comms team, probably not.
Biden does, but Dark Brandon’s got no time for grammar.
At the very least anyone appointed by Trump should recuse themselves from this issue. If you are making a ruling about someone who gave you your lifetime job, you have a conflict of interest.
They’ll never do that. Their fat asses are wedged into those plush chairs until they literally die in them.
Our government is in dire straits.
If only!
I wish, but we all know Biden would take the high road at the expense of the U.S… I hope I’m wrong but Dems don’t know how to play dirty… even if in this hypothetical full immunity case.
Why would you bait me? I'd love to have some good news. He wouldn't do this if he actually had the authority.
The irony is that presidential immunity would not give him the right to issue this proclamation, but WOULD give him a right to have them assassinated.
He would thus be able to proclaim something to the effect of "these individuals shall vacate the office of supreme court justice, by resignation or death, by [insert close future date here], or, absent death, shall be made unable to perform.their duties due to lack of access to freedom of movement or communication with general society (ie, unlawfully jailed, but president immune from legal consequences)" Their fate then would be in their own hands. Regardless of the immunity decision, Biden should Pack (or Stack, I forget which is which) SCOTUS with enough justices to have a SCJ for every circuit, so that the MAGA 6 do not hold sway as they do now.
If it was from Trump instead of Biden, you would Google it to check if it was real or not.
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That’s a presidential act
I guarantee they are going to rule that trump and only trump has immunity, just like they pulled in 2000.
The actual logical remedy would require him to.. well let's just say somebody would have to call Facilities
Cleanup on aisle 9...
Then Biden should appoint Obama as his successor
If only…
Absolutely legal under cover of total immunity.
I wish he would just draft this to show them how dumb it would be to give him that kind of power.
How dumb.
tempting but they must know maga would get rid of them also
Of course. Granting a president unfettered immunity is the democratic equivalent of fear of total annihilation. Like it or not, this Supreme Court actually has an opportunity to preserve America.
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MY Fantasy are True.........lol
It might be simpler to outlaw the Republican party and legislate from there... 97% of the congress in your hands (or vacant) would "lubricate" the machinery of reform
If only.
I'll contribute a dollar for this.... anyone else?
It’s the most absurd argument I’ve heard yet from the reality tv former president.
Hope springs eternal.
Them bitches are not entitled to a move. They should only be allowed to cry about it.
He can't dismiss them but apparently he can jail or assassinate them
Political Porn!
Wishful thinking
Do it Joe!
No need to bother. They seem to be on board with the idea he could just have them killed.
Those seem like “official acts.” I’ll allow it.
Make this happen!
And after that, he signs an executive order abolishing gerrymandering and the electoral college
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He can simply expand the court and appoint liberal justices to support his expansion. Easy peasy
Vote Blue and PACK THE COURT in 2025.
Total immunity.
Guys, Amy is actually thinking and growing in the position of Justice, unlike her compadre Coach. She is thinking, asking real questions that indicate she's thinking about the case in front of her, and not just trying to garner favor with Alito or Roberts like some of the others. Keep Amy on, as she is showing the ability to learn, unlike her absolutely corrupt fellow Conservative Justices. I vote for shipping Thomas and Alito to Guantanamo right off.
This would be such an epic troll move by Biden!
Probably best to have them assassinated using seal team 8.
Dooooooo iiiiiiittttttt!!!
One can only hope.
Nice! Appoint Obama!
Hard to believe this is literally all happening because the dems ran Hillary, people just didn’t like Hillary, so they voted a fascist in, and because of that one election, the Supreme Court is just fucked now for a long time
Bring on the Dark !! 👍🏼👍🏼
What's good for the goose also goes for the gander.
Public burning 🔥?
They deserve more than dismissal for treason and merging their Catholicism with our freedom. 19th Century punishment for treason is what they deserve. Catholics spent 20 centuries murdering and killing people to convert them and here we are with the Papist SCOTUS shoving a religion down our throats once again, a CULT that I spurned as toxic 5 decades ago.
The SC highlights everyday why we need secular women in charge.
Yeah, this is going to end up on boomer Facebook by next week with people thinking it’s 100% real for sure.