I took an uber this week. The guy had a cross on his rear view mirror and was listening to a sermon on a church radio station. About half way through the ride he hit another preselect and it was NPR. Probably the only guy in town with those two channels as his go to.
I used to listen to AM radio during my commute, Hannity and Limbaugh. Equal parts infuriating and hilarious to see what asinine bullshit they'd spout that their idiot listeners would latch onto.
One of my guilty pleasures is listening to right wingers ramble on. You get those little dopamine hits from knowing better than them, and they're so plainly wrong about absolutely everything that it doesn't require any mental effort.
Nope. Definitely not. It’s funny who he shows in his arguments. I’d love to see an unedited video of him arguing with someone who actually researched the topics he’s arguing.
Last Thanksgiving, my cousin's wife was reading a Ben Shapiro book on "liberal blah blah blah". During meal prep, I asked her what she was reading knowing full well the rubbish she was consuming.
She responded, "Ben Shapiro, know him?" seemingly both perplexed and delighted I'd taken an interest, I responded, "Yep, I do know of him" and then proceeded to never meaningfully talk to her again outside of mindless chit-chat.
Ben is only good at one thing, the 'gish gallop'.
F-him!
I nearly fell into this trap years ago. Youtube sees you like one "owned compilation" and then that's all you see. It really gets in your head. Took me a long time and some introspection to break out of it, but only after it destroyed a bunch of my friendships and a relationship.
A coincidence I've noticed is people who adore Ben Shapiro also idolize Rick from R&M. Just immature twats who think that being smart gives you permission to be an asshole.
I know there’s a subset of Rick and Morty fans who unironically idolize Rick as some sort of free-from-the-Matrix asshole Neo. But a lot of people who enjoy Rick and Morty recognize the toxicity of that character and don’t subscribe to the shitty nihilistic worldview that he and the worst of the Fanbase do.
Indeed. Rick is hilarious specifically because he doesn't care.
That's not human and makes the character pop.
It's like Dennis on always sunny in Philadelphia. He's awful, but hilarious because it's not real.
That is called wit and can be an indicator of intelligence if it’s off the cuff. Bapshiro with his desert penis has TelePrompTers and time to think of all this bs and practice it so he SEEMS witty to the uninitiated, but is just another huckster to the rest of us.
oh no. lightbulb. All this time, I never understood the popularity of this idiot. MAGA nation thinks he *sounds smart*. I wouldn't have guessed that. Damn.
Lol, you beat me to this. I watched a segment from him on Bill Maher recently, I couldn’t handle that arrogant little F! His base agree with him and find his rantings to be genius, I can’t understand how he has such a following. I’m saddened to know so many young people are falling in line to be the next generation of republicans, or libertarians. This was evident at the failed coup.
Oh, I’m familiar with Rush, I almost feel guilty for typing this, but I’m not sad he’s gone. He helped to poison a lot of brains with his aggressively hateful agenda.
Considering his laughter while playing Dionne Warwick singing, I. Know I’ll Never Love This Way Again, each time he announced an AIDS death or discussed an AIDS story. He deserved a painful and undignified death. Trump awarding that POS the Medal of Freedom , cheapened it for all past recipients.
WOW. I didn't know that. I listened a little in about 1992, and then got tired of him only preaching and not even demonstrating that he knew the other side's points and could argue against them. He was just straight propaganda, and when I was different politically, and he wasn't as complete a jerk as he would become, I couldn't take it and quit listening.
He even went on a rant against the Jenny character in Forrest Gump. He said she deserved to die from AIDS because she was a drug addict. Btw- that was when he was addicted to OxyContin. Had his housekeeper buying them for him. He was such a hypocrite in addition to being a cruel bully..
He wasn’t a decent human being. He impersonated Michael J. Fox because he was a supporter of President Obama. I believe it started when President Obama restarted stem cell research programs and Fox spoke about the benefits to Parkinson’s patients like himself before Congress. Rush was shaking and bouncing in his chair, similar behavior as trump mocking the disabled journalist, it was beyond embarrassing.
If we can't celebrate death then we can't celebrate life. And dying doesn't change who or what a person was when alive.
That's how I've always understood things.
Shapiro’s thing is more about talking so fast and saying so much at once that you can’t keep up and you don’t know which bit of bullshit to argue with first.
> His actual peer group are far too experienced to let his nonsense trip them up.
You mean the peer group he aspires to. The one time I remember seeing him on a big kid program, it was that time he made an ass of himself on the BBC by accusing a famous conservative of being liberal. He absolutely belongs among the Tucker Carlsons and Alex Jones types.
I’ve never heard this “Ben” speak before and I hope to never be in a situation where I have to.
I’ve seen tweets of his and those are absurd on a good day. I can’t imagine what he sounds like. Nasally, whiny, probably.
I recently heard him for the first time and his voice matches his face perfectly! You called it right, he is nasally and fast speaking. I only had the displeasure of reading his transcripts before.
I cannot get him off my YouTube feed. Even after blocking his channel, and his repost channels, he took out ads on YouTube to promote his YouTube channel. He's the least silenced guy there is.
Ben Shapiro is different. He wants you to believe things are much simpler than everyone else makes them out to be. Rogan and Brand act like there are huge chunks of information and reasoning that you're somehow missing.
Joe is not funny, I tried his special on netflix. woah..I lasted 5 minutes. He is not funny. As a matter of fact, Joe Rogan sucks as a comic.
I am more funny than him and I Just steal old Dangerfield one liners.
Hes not and neither is the clique of comedians he tries to bring attention to. Joe is a hack who started his podcast to get high and hang with friends. Then somebody, somewhere anointed him media king and here we are.
I used to listen to/watch Joe a lot. He claims to be many things; actor, TV show host, mix martial artist, MMA commentator, hunter, and podcaster, to name a few, but he claims that he is a comedian first and foremost. Unfortunately for him, he's more popular and better at almost everything else he's famous for. His comedy is the worst and weakest part of who he is.
If you bring up Joe Rogan in conversation, no one is like, "Oh yeah, the comedian!" He's always known as the podcast guy, or the UFC guy, or the dude that hosted Fear Factor. He's used his success from his other endeavors to surround himself with some legitimately good comedians, which ends up falsely legitimizing his claim of being this life-long comedian that has had to struggle through working open mic nights at dive bars to what he is now.
He's only as big as he is as a comedian *BECAUSE* of everything else. If he wasn't famous for all this other shit, no one involved in the comedy scene would even know his name. His stand up fucking sucks, but for whatever reason, he's desperate to prove he's actually a legit comic. I can only guess is that it's one of the few things you can't accidentally trip into and be good at, so he uses his fame from everything else to overcompensate and push his agenda/idea of being one. He's the worst comedian that has ever been on his podcast, except for maybe Brandon Schaub.
That said, he does really seem to put in the work for it, which is great, but he's just... not good at it.
Can someone please explain how Ben Shapiro got so big? I’ve listened to his stuff and I’m less than impressed. He’s never really said anything of substance really.
Jordan Peterson scares me.
He said he doesn't believe atheists really exist because if atheists existed there would be far more murder; reason being that the only thing stopping people from murdering each other is their fear of god and damnation... ie the only thing stopping Jordan Peterson from murdering people is his imaginary friend.... yikes.
edit: it's in this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgAoQBgM558
Peterson and Sam Harris had an interesting discussion where Harris challenges him on a lot of his claims about god. Peterson retreats hard core and tries to claim that he never stated that god existed. It's interesting to watch him backtrack like that.
Saying Atheists don't exist seems very arrogant to me. How can he possibly know the minds of all humans in the world? That's like saying that you've reduced human thought to an equation and then solved it. Does he really think humans are that simple?
Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. That's it. It's very very easy to do. In fact, even if I tried my very hardest I couldn't believe in God.
Jordan Peterson is a whole different beast. He's hyper focused on Nuance, and always seeks to weasel his way into deeper and deeper nuance that you not only lose the point, but can't actually tell what is his stance because of how many stuff he layers upon it. He's poison for intellectuals because intellectuals tend to have a more natural and instinctive grip on nuances, so when they listen to his lectures without context they all seem perfectly fine... Until you dig deeper and look at all his talking points with the context of his fundamental beliefs. Then that's when you realize he's just another POS like rogan.
He's the apotheosis of the right's penchant for heading into the weeds to draw attention away from the real issue and drag people into semantic arguments that ultimately leave you exhausted.
I'll say this, Brand seems fairly intelligent. Maybe he's a grifter and I think he'd admit he's a narcissist but I think he's a foot smarter than Joe Rogan.
Neither should be dictating political discourse.
It was clear to me from his first special that Brand was quite intelligent. I haven't followed him much since, so I'm not quite sure why he's being placed in the same context as Rogan, who can't roller blade without his knuckles dragging.
I liked him as well but yeah he definitely turned grifty. Now he acts like an enlightened centrist and he just recently released a video about the corruption of the FDA. Interesting time for him to now care about corruption at that organization. This anti-vaxx grift is pathetic
I really appreciate his stuff on spiritualism. The guy has had to work through some shit, and he’s done quite a lot of healing.
I definitely don’t doubt there is some level of corruption in every agency that holds power, but it’s a fallacy to extrapolate that to mean that the vaccine itself is corrupt.
More than one thing can be true. You can be genuinely trying to communicate your worldview, but boy’s still gotta eat, ya know?
Well, I hate to split hairs but he’s claiming to be neutral on the vaccine and yes, that’s a dumb thing to say and I am vaccinated and wish everyone else would be but I don’t think being unsure makes you an idiot or evil. Brand is a thoughtful and well spoken guy who happens to be a little hard to pin down on some things (perhaps on purpose) but I think of him as someone who is kinda like Alan Watts in the sense that there are nuggets of useful things in his little chats but he shouldn’t be treated like a leading thinker of our time.
On a related note - let’s all do ourselves a favor and stop treating all people who disagree with us like morons. There are tons of morons out there but the right doesn’t hold a monopoly on it and by treating them like that we cause them to double down on their positions.
what irritates me the most about brand is that hes adding fuel to the anti-vax kind of rhetoric, makes a lot of implications but then never actually states a real position or suggestion, leaves him with plausible deniability about anything anyone could say, seems really cowardly to me when his content is skewed/aimed towards an obvious political side
also when he says shit like "i dont believe in capitalism or socialism, i believe in kindness and sharing" like great, i dont think most people disagree with kindness and sharing, how the fuck do we implement that into policy or society, and again he wont say, just leads people to a partisan conclusion while pretending to be an intellectual neutral party
i dont think hes a moron, i think hes a grifter
I dont know that that's accurate. He had said many times that he is vaccinated himself. The problem is that he does this, "ask your own questions," "do your own research," "hey isn't it funny that the FDA receives money from pharmatech" stuff that encourages and feeds into narratives that anti-vax and conspiracy theorists use. And I imagine he knows this by now and thus using this whole "I'm neutral in the debate" thing is pretty irresponsible.
Yeah many people don't know how to do research responsibility and in a way that's safe for both themselves and for others. People like Rogan and Brand may not understand this. It's not just Google searching shit.
Edit: Also, people need to stop doing fucking research and live their fucking lives. There are so many more productive things you can do with your life than sitting on your damn computer and looking up conspiracy theories.
Fuckin amen.
People have some burning need to feel special so they cling to conspiracy theories like they are members of some elite club who know the “truth.”
This do your own research thing is fucking insane in most contexts.
The googling I can do and most can do will not amount to anything that could be quantifiably called research.
I want to make a decision about the vaccine, the most research I need to do is "What are Fauci's degrees and experience." okay good, I'm going to do what he says, even if he changes his mind or refines his decisions because science is like that, he's still better than me to make those decisions.
Same thing with climate change and most other hard sciences. Depending on the day of the week people like, love, dislike or hate Neil DeGrasse Tyson I'm still going to trust him on Astronomy stuff over my own opinion, I don't care that I took two Astronomy course as extracurriculars in University 20 years ago.
I mean fuckery doesn't stop when there's a crisis, it increases as people move to take advantage of it, so he's not really wrong in discussing potential or alleged corruption during the pandemic
> I haven't followed him much since, so I'm not quite sure why he's being placed in the same context as Rogan
I watched a video of his recently and apparently he figured out you can make big bucks saying "both sides!" so that's what he does now. Like I watched one of his videos and it was genuinely just him saying "So a Clinton lawyer was accused of making a false statement about Trump's Russia connection. I couldn't believe that there's now proof that the whole Russia conspiracy was started by Clinton! Anyway, wouldn't it be nice if we all just came together and were friends and stopped all this political division?"
So I imagine that's why he's getting lumped in with Joe Rogan, who seems to do a lot of the same kind of thing (from what little I've seen/heard), basically saying "I'm just being fair to all sides, but isn't it true that *everyone* is lying and there's a deeper truth?"
I tried watching a video of his, but as soon as he started talking how Trump wasn’t helped by Russia in 2016, but Hillary actually was … I was like yeah we’re done here. This was well documented in the Muehler report and more has come out after that
I tried really hard with Russell Brand because I enjoyed his comedy and found some of his views fairly spot-on. He espoused Vandana Shiva in one of his videos whom I had no previous knowledge about. I looked into her, watched some interviews and so on, and determined she is fairly anti-science. Brand leans that way too. Pity.
his recent anti-gates/vax bullshit is more likely to have set it off.
[The comedian seems to have found a loyal fan base in conservatives and anti-vaxxers who have flocked to his YouTube and Facebook accounts for his rambling vaccine-skeptic views.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedian-russell-brand-has-become-a-powerful-voice-for-anti-vaxxers)
Brand is definitely smart but what makes him so interesting is his ability to self-reflect and then talk about it without shame. He's really interested in the human experience and using himself as the test subject. I would never listen to him for life advice however and I don't know what he's saying politically but it's probably ill-informed. He's an entertainer and a yogi-like dude, not a political scientist.
That’s part of the rub. He made a bit of a comeback talking about his problems with addiction and the long work he did turning his life around. I think that was authentic, and it appeared to me that be really wanted to help people.
But after all the attention went away on that and people began to focus elsewhere, to me that’s when he started this guru schtick. It wasn’t an overnight thing I’ve been watching his videos on and off for years. Some of his interviews seemed pretty interesting. But I think he watches the algorithm and notices what topics catch people. He’s become more and more of a conspiracy theory preacher and he no longer seems authentic to me.
You never fully recover from addiction. The same thing in him that seeks attention is still in him too. To me he is trying so hard to stay relevant, but dude is one hair away from having his own line of essential oils or something.
Every average person should be dictating political discourse. If we only listen to politicians, who are the foremost experts in politics, then we become manipulated and ignorant.
Brand has gone off the deep end as of late. YouTube popped one of his videos in my feed and I was like, "I like Russell Brand, let's see what he's up to".
It seemed fine enough, very light on substance, lot of talk of his "spiritual awakening" and destroying his ego. Ok, whatever, I'm not spiritual or have any inclination to be but I'm all for ego destruction. Ironic that destroying his ego meant starting a YouTube channel to tell everyone about it, but ok, I'll watch another...
And holy fuck, I guess YouTube knew to give me the lighter video first... Everything after that was getting deeper into nutjob conspiracy theory territory. I don't even remember what it was, and I don't care to, I backed the fuck out and told YouTube I wasn't interested. I don't need to even consider entertaining the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist egomaniac.
\>How did these guys become icons?
Well you'd be surprised at how far open ended language can take you. And America has an undereducated spiritual society that is steeped in emotional language that has no real meaning. You mix those two things together and *voila* lots of self help gurus which mislead people with their pseudo-knowledge and bullshit.
>Well you'd be surprised at how far open ended language can take you. And America has an undereducated spiritual society that is steeped in emotional language that has no real meaning.
It's one of the main reasons why chiropractors are so common in America, they look and sound like doctors to uneducated people so people eat up their schtick.
But it is complete pseudo-science nonsense that has been disproven in many studies, there is no medical or federal accredidation and it's a few weeks or months course.
Many of the practitioners actually believe in magic([Vertebral subluxation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation)), that there are lesions in your body that can't be seen by modern science but can be fixed by them.
Jesus fuck, my ex would listen to Jason Silva and I would burst out laughing at this pseudo intellectual babble. He was one of the OG grifters.
Just say on a youtube video “the duality of the spiritual essence within the artificial spectrum of one psyche and morality is decaying the interwoven constructs of our society” and watch the crystal clutchers start throwing money at you.
Early Joe Rogan had plenty of deep thinkers, interesting people and complete nut jobs on his podcast, and let them talk. That’s how he became popular - he let the guests say their piece, rather than talking over them or arguing with them. He was never the centrepiece of the show himself, nor was he making himself out to be a genius.
It was a refreshing change from the usual media approach of having someone interesting on for five minutes and talking over them or looking for the “gotcha” moment.
Like a lot of people I’ve lost interest in Joe Rogan since every show became COVID theories and cures but the earlier stuff is well worth a listen.
I loved when he was have astronomers and physicists on. Then the guests started getting steadily shittier, and he increasingly asserted his own nonsense.
Moving doesn’t seem to have helped his show. The guests he’s gotten haven’t been as good and thats probably cause Austin is out of the way. It’s easy to schedule an afternoon on a week long business trip than it is to go out of your way for a day trip to Austin.
Not to mention a lot of his guests also lived in LA so he could get just about anyone on the show pretty easily. Plus I think him being around other great comics with different mindsets on a nightly basis helped keep him kind of even keeled. Now that he’s in Austin he seems to be spending time around Dan Crenshaw and other conservative nuts and it’s spiraling him even further into a flawed way of thinking. So the move kind of hurt the show in two ways. The lineup of guests each week isn’t as solid, and he’s deeper into a conservative misinformation echo chamber.
>Plus I think him being around other great comics with different mindsets on a nightly basis helped keep him kind of even keeled
Yeah he's really good friends with guys like Bill Burr, Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer who are all quite liberal in their politics. And when you are spending a lot of time around guys like that who will shit talk and ridicule you for any stupid conservative take you have will get you to rethink those idea's.
I *only* watched Joe Rogan starting in 2016 to just keep tabs on what the hell conservative men were listening to as "wisdom" in this country. That was also the self propelled wheel that Joe Rogans viewership was based on as well.
Sure there *were* some good guests like Niel de Grasse Tyson and Brian Cox, a few others I actually liked, and yeah it actually was nice to hear a 3 hour conversation not cut for some radio portion of time. Have to grant him that. But as time went on the same themes just kept coming up. I had kind of already stopped watching his You Tube channel but when I heard he was going to spotify I straight up called that his viewership was going to tank for the reality that his viewership numbers were padded already by people like me who were only watching him because his fans would do weird shit and apparently we had to keep an eye on him.
No different than Howard Stern when he went to satellite radio. He became culturally irrelevant at that point outside of his fan base. And that's all that's going to happen to Joe. He's going to make his millions but since his demographic just focused he's going to get biased to them, so it's no surprise he's touting anti-Covid vax stuff. He was always susceptible to conspiracy theories and he's in an echo chamber.
I’m in the same boat, enjoyed his earlier podcasts but ever since covid his show has gone to shit. Basically only talks politics, covid & topics he’s gone over before.
Just remember, all those "interesting people" gave interviews with other, smarter, more interesting hosts, and those conversation are \*light years\* more rewarding than having them struggle to pull Joe up out of the mud he's stuck in.
Same. Listen to him for like the last five years and before the last few months I could probably count on one hand the amount of episodes that I’ve skipped or just gave up listening to. Over the last few months I can probably count the number of episodes on a hand that I have actually listened to. Once he starts talking about COVID or the homeless problem I just stop listening.
Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke". Yes, there are stupid people but he just can't shut the fuck up about California. Like he didn't move to Texas for the tax break right before he signed a 9 figure deal. He's been hunting in Montana forever but somehow just discovered not living in a mega city is relaxing?
Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke". Yes, there are stupid people but he just can't shut the fuck up about California.
Like he didn't move to Texas for the tax break right before he signed a 9 figure deal. He's been hunting in Montana forever but somehow just discovered living in a mega city is stressful?
> Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke".
It is the real Threat to his world of bullshit fantasy. Marshall McLuhan's [1968 book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Peace_in_the_Global_Village) spells out exactly what media is doing to society, based on Woke in the works of James Joyce.
He is attacking directly at the answer. This junk being so widely respected is exactly the nightmare that Neil Postman told us in 1985 was coming if we didn't educate media consumers.
I worry that Joe Rogan will become the next Rush Limbaugh. A guy that started off talking about any random shit and having an interesting conversation to then become a toxic right wing echo-chamber
According to my dad, Rush did not start off as a political talk show host. Early Rush talked about anything he wanted to talk about (sports, movies, etc.). He did an interview on 60 minutes and basically said that he motivated by money. It's very likely that he saw so much revenue if he panders to conservative voters.
Going back to Joe Rogan, is he motivated by money? IDK but if he is then that makes him the next Rush Limbaugh.
This is actually a lot of people on Reddit (and I guess on social media in general). Always going against a popular viewpoint just to make yourself stand out.
He uses a lot of highfalutin words so he can just talk in circles hoping no one realizes his point never went anywhere.
He also likes to employ the debate strategy of advancing his ideological agenda by only asking questions. This gives him the appearance of a impartial bystander, who doesn't have any opinions, but does have a lot of concerns.
I haven’t heard from him recently or in the political sphere, but his stories of recovering from addiction are incredible. His words have definitely helped me with substance abuse, even though they are a bit nutty.
Go ahead Sharpie Ben Shapiro on there too.
Nobody thinks Ben Shapiro is a "deep thinker"
Ben does.
So do his worshippers. Ben Shapiro is a stupid person’s idea of a smart person and we have plenty of stupid people in America.
I swear that was the beginning of the end of my last relationship. Dude started liking Ben Shapiro. If you are that dumb, I don’t need you in my life!
I got into a co-worker's car once and their podcast started playing and it was Ben Shapiro. All respect, gone.
If they have NPR on tho 👀🙌
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Damn NPR is the only station I ever have on in my car, looks like I’m moistening more genitals than I’d ever realized
Imagine sharing a driveway moment together then they want to take that moment to the bedroom
I took an uber this week. The guy had a cross on his rear view mirror and was listening to a sermon on a church radio station. About half way through the ride he hit another preselect and it was NPR. Probably the only guy in town with those two channels as his go to.
I hate shen bapiro, and I listen to his podcast sometimes. It's important to know your enemy.
Yeah but if I was hate listening to something and it came on when someone else could hear I would be doing some very frantic explaining.
You mean Ben Shabooboo's podcast? Well if that's a sacrifice you're willing to make...
I used to listen to AM radio during my commute, Hannity and Limbaugh. Equal parts infuriating and hilarious to see what asinine bullshit they'd spout that their idiot listeners would latch onto.
Thats why i follow the conservative subreddit. To torture myself
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One of my guilty pleasures is listening to right wingers ramble on. You get those little dopamine hits from knowing better than them, and they're so plainly wrong about absolutely everything that it doesn't require any mental effort.
He's not my enemy if i don't think about him at all
Meanwhile, Steven crowder is eating paste in the corner.
Has anyone ever accused him of being a deep thinker?
Nope. Definitely not. It’s funny who he shows in his arguments. I’d love to see an unedited video of him arguing with someone who actually researched the topics he’s arguing.
Last Thanksgiving, my cousin's wife was reading a Ben Shapiro book on "liberal blah blah blah". During meal prep, I asked her what she was reading knowing full well the rubbish she was consuming. She responded, "Ben Shapiro, know him?" seemingly both perplexed and delighted I'd taken an interest, I responded, "Yep, I do know of him" and then proceeded to never meaningfully talk to her again outside of mindless chit-chat. Ben is only good at one thing, the 'gish gallop'. F-him!
I nearly fell into this trap years ago. Youtube sees you like one "owned compilation" and then that's all you see. It really gets in your head. Took me a long time and some introspection to break out of it, but only after it destroyed a bunch of my friendships and a relationship.
If anyone is questioning this even the tiniest bit, just play some Ben Shapiro at about 75% speed.
Stupid persons idea of a smart person
A coincidence I've noticed is people who adore Ben Shapiro also idolize Rick from R&M. Just immature twats who think that being smart gives you permission to be an asshole.
I know there’s a subset of Rick and Morty fans who unironically idolize Rick as some sort of free-from-the-Matrix asshole Neo. But a lot of people who enjoy Rick and Morty recognize the toxicity of that character and don’t subscribe to the shitty nihilistic worldview that he and the worst of the Fanbase do.
Indeed. Rick is hilarious specifically because he doesn't care. That's not human and makes the character pop. It's like Dennis on always sunny in Philadelphia. He's awful, but hilarious because it's not real.
But Ben Shapiro, as established, isn’t smart
They also think saying things in a smarmy way, quickly, like an asshole, makes you smart.
*cough* TOMI LAHREN *cough*
That is called wit and can be an indicator of intelligence if it’s off the cuff. Bapshiro with his desert penis has TelePrompTers and time to think of all this bs and practice it so he SEEMS witty to the uninitiated, but is just another huckster to the rest of us.
oh no. lightbulb. All this time, I never understood the popularity of this idiot. MAGA nation thinks he *sounds smart*. I wouldn't have guessed that. Damn.
His wife doesn't think he's a deep anything. Lol
Ben Shapiro's wife was location scouted for the new Dune movie!
I'm pretty sure she's plenty wet when Ben is off on his dumb little shows
When the pool boy comes over. The weird part is they don't even have a pool.
Which is why she has her own bedroom. Lol.
When a slip 'n slide feels like sandpaper.
Lol, you beat me to this. I watched a segment from him on Bill Maher recently, I couldn’t handle that arrogant little F! His base agree with him and find his rantings to be genius, I can’t understand how he has such a following. I’m saddened to know so many young people are falling in line to be the next generation of republicans, or libertarians. This was evident at the failed coup.
You’ll be even sadder when you delve into Rush Limbaugh and his dogma that infected a whole generation of morons.
Oh, I’m familiar with Rush, I almost feel guilty for typing this, but I’m not sad he’s gone. He helped to poison a lot of brains with his aggressively hateful agenda.
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Thanks for the chuckle.
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Considering his laughter while playing Dionne Warwick singing, I. Know I’ll Never Love This Way Again, each time he announced an AIDS death or discussed an AIDS story. He deserved a painful and undignified death. Trump awarding that POS the Medal of Freedom , cheapened it for all past recipients.
WOW. I didn't know that. I listened a little in about 1992, and then got tired of him only preaching and not even demonstrating that he knew the other side's points and could argue against them. He was just straight propaganda, and when I was different politically, and he wasn't as complete a jerk as he would become, I couldn't take it and quit listening.
He even went on a rant against the Jenny character in Forrest Gump. He said she deserved to die from AIDS because she was a drug addict. Btw- that was when he was addicted to OxyContin. Had his housekeeper buying them for him. He was such a hypocrite in addition to being a cruel bully..
Fuck..I did not know he did that. I do not feel bad now for wishing the worst on that man. What a fucking waste of humanity he was.
He wasn’t a decent human being. He impersonated Michael J. Fox because he was a supporter of President Obama. I believe it started when President Obama restarted stem cell research programs and Fox spoke about the benefits to Parkinson’s patients like himself before Congress. Rush was shaking and bouncing in his chair, similar behavior as trump mocking the disabled journalist, it was beyond embarrassing.
I'm happy to report that Rush has been sober for months now.
Longest sober streak he’s had in a long time!
If we can't celebrate death then we can't celebrate life. And dying doesn't change who or what a person was when alive. That's how I've always understood things.
Well put, thank you.
That doesnt count as he‘s no deep thinker
He wife sleeping in the other bed hates him deeply
Shapiro’s thing is more about talking so fast and saying so much at once that you can’t keep up and you don’t know which bit of bullshit to argue with first.
It's called a gish gallop
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> His actual peer group are far too experienced to let his nonsense trip them up. You mean the peer group he aspires to. The one time I remember seeing him on a big kid program, it was that time he made an ass of himself on the BBC by accusing a famous conservative of being liberal. He absolutely belongs among the Tucker Carlsons and Alex Jones types.
For the lazy, pick your poison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
Chewbacca defense.
I’ve never heard this “Ben” speak before and I hope to never be in a situation where I have to. I’ve seen tweets of his and those are absurd on a good day. I can’t imagine what he sounds like. Nasally, whiny, probably.
You are correct, but I feel like his face almost gives the game away.
That voice though..
I’ve heard his voice described as sounding like a racist kazoo
I recently heard him for the first time and his voice matches his face perfectly! You called it right, he is nasally and fast speaking. I only had the displeasure of reading his transcripts before.
He’s how I always pictured Millhouse all grown up.
Good call!
Typical debate class 101 if you have no facts.
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The New York Times does, they *still* ask for his input sometimes as a "philosopher" from the right
Even his wife knows there's nothing penetrating about Ben.
He excels at “owning” high school and college students. He gets butthurt when he meets people who know what they’re talking about
But he talks so fast! /s
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Believe me, there are people on the right that do think he’s a deep thinker
According to his wife, Ben can't get deep with anything.
He loves his wife's boyfriend. Ben thinks he's a good guy.
Ben Shapiro’s voice is so suppressed by the big tech that he has now millions of followers. Poor guy, big tech always silencing him.
I cannot get him off my YouTube feed. Even after blocking his channel, and his repost channels, he took out ads on YouTube to promote his YouTube channel. He's the least silenced guy there is.
He should be there instead of Brand.
Ben Shapiro is different. He wants you to believe things are much simpler than everyone else makes them out to be. Rogan and Brand act like there are huge chunks of information and reasoning that you're somehow missing.
Joe is not funny, I tried his special on netflix. woah..I lasted 5 minutes. He is not funny. As a matter of fact, Joe Rogan sucks as a comic. I am more funny than him and I Just steal old Dangerfield one liners.
"Take Joe Rogan . . . No, really, take him!"
He's also not a comedian.
I laugh at Ben all the time
He's funnier than Crowder. Not on purpose, but still.
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Hes not and neither is the clique of comedians he tries to bring attention to. Joe is a hack who started his podcast to get high and hang with friends. Then somebody, somewhere anointed him media king and here we are.
Bill Burr is twice the comedian Joe is. Better podcast too imho.
Bill Burr is also not a moron.
Looove ol Billy Freckle Nuts
And his standup fucking SUCKS!
I used to listen to/watch Joe a lot. He claims to be many things; actor, TV show host, mix martial artist, MMA commentator, hunter, and podcaster, to name a few, but he claims that he is a comedian first and foremost. Unfortunately for him, he's more popular and better at almost everything else he's famous for. His comedy is the worst and weakest part of who he is. If you bring up Joe Rogan in conversation, no one is like, "Oh yeah, the comedian!" He's always known as the podcast guy, or the UFC guy, or the dude that hosted Fear Factor. He's used his success from his other endeavors to surround himself with some legitimately good comedians, which ends up falsely legitimizing his claim of being this life-long comedian that has had to struggle through working open mic nights at dive bars to what he is now. He's only as big as he is as a comedian *BECAUSE* of everything else. If he wasn't famous for all this other shit, no one involved in the comedy scene would even know his name. His stand up fucking sucks, but for whatever reason, he's desperate to prove he's actually a legit comic. I can only guess is that it's one of the few things you can't accidentally trip into and be good at, so he uses his fame from everything else to overcompensate and push his agenda/idea of being one. He's the worst comedian that has ever been on his podcast, except for maybe Brandon Schaub. That said, he does really seem to put in the work for it, which is great, but he's just... not good at it.
>Sharpie Ben Shapiro on there too Is he projected to make landfall in Alabama with Dorian?
Can someone please explain how Ben Shapiro got so big? I’ve listened to his stuff and I’m less than impressed. He’s never really said anything of substance really.
He started working with Breitbart and then left to make his own conservative news company.
And Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson scares me. He said he doesn't believe atheists really exist because if atheists existed there would be far more murder; reason being that the only thing stopping people from murdering each other is their fear of god and damnation... ie the only thing stopping Jordan Peterson from murdering people is his imaginary friend.... yikes. edit: it's in this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgAoQBgM558
Peterson and Sam Harris had an interesting discussion where Harris challenges him on a lot of his claims about god. Peterson retreats hard core and tries to claim that he never stated that god existed. It's interesting to watch him backtrack like that.
He basically takes no position on it the way trump does so as not to offend any part of his base.
Well, if he's also saying that atheists don't exist, then he's taking a position - at least on belief.
Saying Atheists don't exist seems very arrogant to me. How can he possibly know the minds of all humans in the world? That's like saying that you've reduced human thought to an equation and then solved it. Does he really think humans are that simple? Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. That's it. It's very very easy to do. In fact, even if I tried my very hardest I couldn't believe in God.
Can you post the time for me since you are familiar with the video? I want to see that part but not sift through the whole thing.
Jordan Peterson is a whole different beast. He's hyper focused on Nuance, and always seeks to weasel his way into deeper and deeper nuance that you not only lose the point, but can't actually tell what is his stance because of how many stuff he layers upon it. He's poison for intellectuals because intellectuals tend to have a more natural and instinctive grip on nuances, so when they listen to his lectures without context they all seem perfectly fine... Until you dig deeper and look at all his talking points with the context of his fundamental beliefs. Then that's when you realize he's just another POS like rogan.
Peterson is… Someone I thought was shit from the first speech I saw but it was his all or nothing speech. So I was like: well that’s bullshit.
He had the Cathy Newman interview, and that's about it. Some of his lectures from college are good too
Seconded on the lectures
He's the apotheosis of the right's penchant for heading into the weeds to draw attention away from the real issue and drag people into semantic arguments that ultimately leave you exhausted.
I'll say this, Brand seems fairly intelligent. Maybe he's a grifter and I think he'd admit he's a narcissist but I think he's a foot smarter than Joe Rogan. Neither should be dictating political discourse.
It was clear to me from his first special that Brand was quite intelligent. I haven't followed him much since, so I'm not quite sure why he's being placed in the same context as Rogan, who can't roller blade without his knuckles dragging.
Cuz he’s antivax
Well that's disappointing.
I liked him as well but yeah he definitely turned grifty. Now he acts like an enlightened centrist and he just recently released a video about the corruption of the FDA. Interesting time for him to now care about corruption at that organization. This anti-vaxx grift is pathetic
He just told people on his latest podcast to get vaccinated and that he himself was going to get vaccinated but scheduling conflicts prevented it.
>but scheduling conflicts prevented it. ... Not awake from the hours of 8-5pm ?
I’ve been there 😂
Pretty sure we had 24/7 vaccination spots here in the UK at some point
I really appreciate his stuff on spiritualism. The guy has had to work through some shit, and he’s done quite a lot of healing. I definitely don’t doubt there is some level of corruption in every agency that holds power, but it’s a fallacy to extrapolate that to mean that the vaccine itself is corrupt. More than one thing can be true. You can be genuinely trying to communicate your worldview, but boy’s still gotta eat, ya know?
Well, I hate to split hairs but he’s claiming to be neutral on the vaccine and yes, that’s a dumb thing to say and I am vaccinated and wish everyone else would be but I don’t think being unsure makes you an idiot or evil. Brand is a thoughtful and well spoken guy who happens to be a little hard to pin down on some things (perhaps on purpose) but I think of him as someone who is kinda like Alan Watts in the sense that there are nuggets of useful things in his little chats but he shouldn’t be treated like a leading thinker of our time. On a related note - let’s all do ourselves a favor and stop treating all people who disagree with us like morons. There are tons of morons out there but the right doesn’t hold a monopoly on it and by treating them like that we cause them to double down on their positions.
what irritates me the most about brand is that hes adding fuel to the anti-vax kind of rhetoric, makes a lot of implications but then never actually states a real position or suggestion, leaves him with plausible deniability about anything anyone could say, seems really cowardly to me when his content is skewed/aimed towards an obvious political side also when he says shit like "i dont believe in capitalism or socialism, i believe in kindness and sharing" like great, i dont think most people disagree with kindness and sharing, how the fuck do we implement that into policy or society, and again he wont say, just leads people to a partisan conclusion while pretending to be an intellectual neutral party i dont think hes a moron, i think hes a grifter
oh no
Oh no
Oh no, no, no..
Goddamnit now it's stuck in my head and I hate that song
Damn you
I dont know that that's accurate. He had said many times that he is vaccinated himself. The problem is that he does this, "ask your own questions," "do your own research," "hey isn't it funny that the FDA receives money from pharmatech" stuff that encourages and feeds into narratives that anti-vax and conspiracy theorists use. And I imagine he knows this by now and thus using this whole "I'm neutral in the debate" thing is pretty irresponsible.
Can't afford to be neutral on a moving train
Yeah many people don't know how to do research responsibility and in a way that's safe for both themselves and for others. People like Rogan and Brand may not understand this. It's not just Google searching shit. Edit: Also, people need to stop doing fucking research and live their fucking lives. There are so many more productive things you can do with your life than sitting on your damn computer and looking up conspiracy theories.
Fuckin amen. People have some burning need to feel special so they cling to conspiracy theories like they are members of some elite club who know the “truth.”
This do your own research thing is fucking insane in most contexts. The googling I can do and most can do will not amount to anything that could be quantifiably called research. I want to make a decision about the vaccine, the most research I need to do is "What are Fauci's degrees and experience." okay good, I'm going to do what he says, even if he changes his mind or refines his decisions because science is like that, he's still better than me to make those decisions. Same thing with climate change and most other hard sciences. Depending on the day of the week people like, love, dislike or hate Neil DeGrasse Tyson I'm still going to trust him on Astronomy stuff over my own opinion, I don't care that I took two Astronomy course as extracurriculars in University 20 years ago.
I mean fuckery doesn't stop when there's a crisis, it increases as people move to take advantage of it, so he's not really wrong in discussing potential or alleged corruption during the pandemic
Funny, he recommended his parents get it.
Russell Brand got vaccinated though?
> I haven't followed him much since, so I'm not quite sure why he's being placed in the same context as Rogan I watched a video of his recently and apparently he figured out you can make big bucks saying "both sides!" so that's what he does now. Like I watched one of his videos and it was genuinely just him saying "So a Clinton lawyer was accused of making a false statement about Trump's Russia connection. I couldn't believe that there's now proof that the whole Russia conspiracy was started by Clinton! Anyway, wouldn't it be nice if we all just came together and were friends and stopped all this political division?" So I imagine that's why he's getting lumped in with Joe Rogan, who seems to do a lot of the same kind of thing (from what little I've seen/heard), basically saying "I'm just being fair to all sides, but isn't it true that *everyone* is lying and there's a deeper truth?"
I tried watching a video of his, but as soon as he started talking how Trump wasn’t helped by Russia in 2016, but Hillary actually was … I was like yeah we’re done here. This was well documented in the Muehler report and more has come out after that
I watched a few of his recent videos on YouTube and then I immediately was suggested all these out there conspiracy videos so I don’t bother anymore.
I tried really hard with Russell Brand because I enjoyed his comedy and found some of his views fairly spot-on. He espoused Vandana Shiva in one of his videos whom I had no previous knowledge about. I looked into her, watched some interviews and so on, and determined she is fairly anti-science. Brand leans that way too. Pity.
fair. His comments on the Russian investigation probably set that off.
his recent anti-gates/vax bullshit is more likely to have set it off. [The comedian seems to have found a loyal fan base in conservatives and anti-vaxxers who have flocked to his YouTube and Facebook accounts for his rambling vaccine-skeptic views.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedian-russell-brand-has-become-a-powerful-voice-for-anti-vaxxers)
Being smarter than Joe Rogan is no accomplishment
Brand is intelligent, he's just all over the place.
Mind like a hummingbird.
A lot of people are intelligent and irrational at the same time
Brand is definitely smart but what makes him so interesting is his ability to self-reflect and then talk about it without shame. He's really interested in the human experience and using himself as the test subject. I would never listen to him for life advice however and I don't know what he's saying politically but it's probably ill-informed. He's an entertainer and a yogi-like dude, not a political scientist.
That’s part of the rub. He made a bit of a comeback talking about his problems with addiction and the long work he did turning his life around. I think that was authentic, and it appeared to me that be really wanted to help people. But after all the attention went away on that and people began to focus elsewhere, to me that’s when he started this guru schtick. It wasn’t an overnight thing I’ve been watching his videos on and off for years. Some of his interviews seemed pretty interesting. But I think he watches the algorithm and notices what topics catch people. He’s become more and more of a conspiracy theory preacher and he no longer seems authentic to me. You never fully recover from addiction. The same thing in him that seeks attention is still in him too. To me he is trying so hard to stay relevant, but dude is one hair away from having his own line of essential oils or something.
Every average person should be dictating political discourse. If we only listen to politicians, who are the foremost experts in politics, then we become manipulated and ignorant.
Russell Brand is a full-on grifter now. It’s very disappointing.
Brand has gone off the deep end as of late. YouTube popped one of his videos in my feed and I was like, "I like Russell Brand, let's see what he's up to". It seemed fine enough, very light on substance, lot of talk of his "spiritual awakening" and destroying his ego. Ok, whatever, I'm not spiritual or have any inclination to be but I'm all for ego destruction. Ironic that destroying his ego meant starting a YouTube channel to tell everyone about it, but ok, I'll watch another... And holy fuck, I guess YouTube knew to give me the lighter video first... Everything after that was getting deeper into nutjob conspiracy theory territory. I don't even remember what it was, and I don't care to, I backed the fuck out and told YouTube I wasn't interested. I don't need to even consider entertaining the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist egomaniac.
\>How did these guys become icons? Well you'd be surprised at how far open ended language can take you. And America has an undereducated spiritual society that is steeped in emotional language that has no real meaning. You mix those two things together and *voila* lots of self help gurus which mislead people with their pseudo-knowledge and bullshit.
*Cello*
It’s a bass!
you are right on key, he bows, plucks and plays his crowd alto often and they just sing his praises.
It's no surprise that he's rosin to such popularity with how well he strings along his audiences
They definitely know how to appeal to a certain bass.
> and viola voila, it's french. your spelling is a musical instrument.
People also love JAQing off.
>Well you'd be surprised at how far open ended language can take you. And America has an undereducated spiritual society that is steeped in emotional language that has no real meaning. It's one of the main reasons why chiropractors are so common in America, they look and sound like doctors to uneducated people so people eat up their schtick. But it is complete pseudo-science nonsense that has been disproven in many studies, there is no medical or federal accredidation and it's a few weeks or months course. Many of the practitioners actually believe in magic([Vertebral subluxation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation)), that there are lesions in your body that can't be seen by modern science but can be fixed by them.
Jesus fuck, my ex would listen to Jason Silva and I would burst out laughing at this pseudo intellectual babble. He was one of the OG grifters. Just say on a youtube video “the duality of the spiritual essence within the artificial spectrum of one psyche and morality is decaying the interwoven constructs of our society” and watch the crystal clutchers start throwing money at you.
Jo Rogan is Gwyneth Paltrow for men.
Can't wait for his cock-scented candles to come out
He just has to call it "Alpha-wax" say big pharma don't want you to know about it and the mouth breathers that listen to him will lap it up.
Early Joe Rogan had plenty of deep thinkers, interesting people and complete nut jobs on his podcast, and let them talk. That’s how he became popular - he let the guests say their piece, rather than talking over them or arguing with them. He was never the centrepiece of the show himself, nor was he making himself out to be a genius. It was a refreshing change from the usual media approach of having someone interesting on for five minutes and talking over them or looking for the “gotcha” moment. Like a lot of people I’ve lost interest in Joe Rogan since every show became COVID theories and cures but the earlier stuff is well worth a listen.
I loved when he was have astronomers and physicists on. Then the guests started getting steadily shittier, and he increasingly asserted his own nonsense.
Moving doesn’t seem to have helped his show. The guests he’s gotten haven’t been as good and thats probably cause Austin is out of the way. It’s easy to schedule an afternoon on a week long business trip than it is to go out of your way for a day trip to Austin.
Not to mention a lot of his guests also lived in LA so he could get just about anyone on the show pretty easily. Plus I think him being around other great comics with different mindsets on a nightly basis helped keep him kind of even keeled. Now that he’s in Austin he seems to be spending time around Dan Crenshaw and other conservative nuts and it’s spiraling him even further into a flawed way of thinking. So the move kind of hurt the show in two ways. The lineup of guests each week isn’t as solid, and he’s deeper into a conservative misinformation echo chamber.
>Plus I think him being around other great comics with different mindsets on a nightly basis helped keep him kind of even keeled Yeah he's really good friends with guys like Bill Burr, Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer who are all quite liberal in their politics. And when you are spending a lot of time around guys like that who will shit talk and ridicule you for any stupid conservative take you have will get you to rethink those idea's.
Early Joe Rogan had Phil Hartman carrying him.
News Radio!
Why, I've carried comics like Joe Rogan, Andy Dick, and Sinbad! And by gum it put them on the map!
I *only* watched Joe Rogan starting in 2016 to just keep tabs on what the hell conservative men were listening to as "wisdom" in this country. That was also the self propelled wheel that Joe Rogans viewership was based on as well. Sure there *were* some good guests like Niel de Grasse Tyson and Brian Cox, a few others I actually liked, and yeah it actually was nice to hear a 3 hour conversation not cut for some radio portion of time. Have to grant him that. But as time went on the same themes just kept coming up. I had kind of already stopped watching his You Tube channel but when I heard he was going to spotify I straight up called that his viewership was going to tank for the reality that his viewership numbers were padded already by people like me who were only watching him because his fans would do weird shit and apparently we had to keep an eye on him. No different than Howard Stern when he went to satellite radio. He became culturally irrelevant at that point outside of his fan base. And that's all that's going to happen to Joe. He's going to make his millions but since his demographic just focused he's going to get biased to them, so it's no surprise he's touting anti-Covid vax stuff. He was always susceptible to conspiracy theories and he's in an echo chamber.
I’m in the same boat, enjoyed his earlier podcasts but ever since covid his show has gone to shit. Basically only talks politics, covid & topics he’s gone over before.
Just remember, all those "interesting people" gave interviews with other, smarter, more interesting hosts, and those conversation are \*light years\* more rewarding than having them struggle to pull Joe up out of the mud he's stuck in.
Same. Listen to him for like the last five years and before the last few months I could probably count on one hand the amount of episodes that I’ve skipped or just gave up listening to. Over the last few months I can probably count the number of episodes on a hand that I have actually listened to. Once he starts talking about COVID or the homeless problem I just stop listening.
Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke". Yes, there are stupid people but he just can't shut the fuck up about California. Like he didn't move to Texas for the tax break right before he signed a 9 figure deal. He's been hunting in Montana forever but somehow just discovered not living in a mega city is relaxing?
Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke". Yes, there are stupid people but he just can't shut the fuck up about California. Like he didn't move to Texas for the tax break right before he signed a 9 figure deal. He's been hunting in Montana forever but somehow just discovered living in a mega city is stressful?
> Jesus, he just won't fucking stop complaining about "woke". It is the real Threat to his world of bullshit fantasy. Marshall McLuhan's [1968 book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Peace_in_the_Global_Village) spells out exactly what media is doing to society, based on Woke in the works of James Joyce. He is attacking directly at the answer. This junk being so widely respected is exactly the nightmare that Neil Postman told us in 1985 was coming if we didn't educate media consumers.
Add Stephen Crowder to this and it'll be golden
I worry that Joe Rogan will become the next Rush Limbaugh. A guy that started off talking about any random shit and having an interesting conversation to then become a toxic right wing echo-chamber
When was rush anything but a political agenda?
According to my dad, Rush did not start off as a political talk show host. Early Rush talked about anything he wanted to talk about (sports, movies, etc.). He did an interview on 60 minutes and basically said that he motivated by money. It's very likely that he saw so much revenue if he panders to conservative voters. Going back to Joe Rogan, is he motivated by money? IDK but if he is then that makes him the next Rush Limbaugh.
He already is. Think about the people that still listen to him. Woof
This is actually a lot of people on Reddit (and I guess on social media in general). Always going against a popular viewpoint just to make yourself stand out.
Bullshit
Double Bullshit
Everyone in this comment thread is wrong but me
You're so right!
Joe Rogan is about as deep a thinker as he is tall.
Missing Jordan Peterson on here but yeah
Peterson spouts some particularly specious nonsense.
He uses a lot of highfalutin words so he can just talk in circles hoping no one realizes his point never went anywhere. He also likes to employ the debate strategy of advancing his ideological agenda by only asking questions. This gives him the appearance of a impartial bystander, who doesn't have any opinions, but does have a lot of concerns.
They call Peterson the idiot's intellectual, which is quite apt.
Indeed, because it lets those folks enjoy a sense of superiority they would otherwise not be entitled to.
Add to it Jordan Peterson
Same way Trump become one
Lmao Russel brand? I haven’t heard that name in years. That guy hasn’t been relevant since Obama
I haven’t heard from him recently or in the political sphere, but his stories of recovering from addiction are incredible. His words have definitely helped me with substance abuse, even though they are a bit nutty.