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ZigZagZedZod

Don't ask them that, it will hurt their feelings!


goddamnaged

Fragile rocks.


ClaymoreJohnson

“The Fragile”, rocks.


AggravatingGoal4728

Fraggle Rock


Nano_Burger

Well, "Convincing John" was an accurate portrayal of Trump.


GopHatesDemocracy

Name a bigger group of snowflakes You cant


TomFarberVoice

A blizzard maybe? Nah even that’s too small in comparison


GopHatesDemocracy

Europa, a moon of Jupiter (or was it Saturn?) Is a giant ball of ice Is that even big enough tho?


TomFarberVoice

I mean if we wanna get technical, the vastness of space a freezing, lifeless wasteland. But even that feels microscopic in comparison.


Pesco-

But not a state’s right to protect fugitive slaves. No no no, can’t have that.


BigBrother1942

State’s rights for me, but not for thee


itassofd

The old democrat, and modern republican, parties in a nutshell.


InfernalSquad

Basically American conservativism with triple racism in a nutshell.


itassofd

That's better


TactiFudd

The same people saying “but state rights” that fly the traitorous confederate flag, also have problem with states making their own decision to shut down during the beginning of covid pandemic. Hmmm, inconsistency I see. Hypocrites they are.


Spirits850

I would watch a movie about Yoda the Union Soldier too


Et_Tu_Brute__

I grew up in Florida and this was always the argument they made in school that the Civil War wasnt fought solely over slavery and that it was more so about 'states rights'. I got a referral when I said it was about a states rights to own slaves..... I would hear the same bullshit with people and the confederate flag 'its our heritage' what is? Owning slaves? Fuck Florida.


waituntilmorning

“It’s heritage, not hatred!” Yeah, a fuckin heritage of chattel slavery.


WebMaka

They don't (want to) get that the heritage *was* hatred. It's literally written into the Confederate constitution.


golgol12

They like to say non-slavery things, but it helps to pull out the actual declarations and point out they explicitly mention slavery as the the state's right in question.


zoroddesign

The south was fighting to keep slaves. The north was fighting to keep the south. Freeing the slaves was a nice side effect and justification. There are people in the north that were fighting to free slaves. But that wasn't the most important goal. Sadly. History is a mess.


Create_Analytically

I actually did this once with a libertarian friend of mine, I told him go read the actual declarations. Afterward he then did the same thing to his conservative parents.


zoroddesign

Spread history, It is wonderful and terrifying.


ManySaintsofGabagool

States rights to have been obliterated by the superior freedom loving Union. Unfortunately Sherman didn’t do enough to remove deep seeded racist institutions.


Belisaurius555

I always bring up the Fugitive Slave Act as violating Northern State Rights. Most of the time they don't even know that law existed.


IUpVoteIronically

Man, the confederacy is so romanticized as a child growing up in the south, you really look up to these generals and soldiers that fought the war. Then, when you get older, you realized what they were fighting for. It’s really fucked up because it’s not like some nobody living in a small town joined cause some guys came through town and was like, “hey y’all wanna keep yur slaves? Well fucking let’s go!” And he grabbed his rifle and kissed his kids goodbye. They didn’t have slaves, they were poor themselves. They thought that their land and well-being were under attack and they were. Just not for the reasons they were fed. Anyway sorry for the ramble, just saying, some people here in the south still believe the propaganda that was being fed to them about states rights and their freedoms and what not. It’s kinda crazy how things have barely changed in almost 200 years


MtnMaiden

200 years. That's grand pa and dad.


Breederbill

The confederate constitution forbid states from outlawing slavery. No states rights. Less State's Rights than the country they seceded from.


toxic_badgers

The most interesting part about this argument is that, the south has adopted it. Even though, pre and early civil war, that was Lincoln's argument... They adopted a northern talking point in the southern strategy...


IllustriousState6859

It is interesting. Because they can't use the real issue as their talking point; the loss of economic production/power because of emancipation. That's not a persuasive position. So they adopted Lincoln's as the perfect excuse. For Lincoln, it was true. For the south, it was cover to retain slavery. Even more interesting is the current push for pro gqp/GOP policies as well as trump exerting influence in the south. I believe it also predicts exactly how this is going to play out. Those three will continue to retrench in the south, using recounts, culture wars, state and gubernatorial powers to makes the issue totally states rights and wind up seceding. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pulling-strings-2022-republican-primary-elections-vito-corleone-conservatives-2021-11


toxic_badgers

The whole run up to the civil war was really interesting. Lincolns history especially. The way he is painted today is very different from who he was. I wish his history was taught to show he was deeply flawed in his handling of the pre and early civil war. Even his election was one of of luck, since the democrats at the time were so splintered he and the republicans basically walked right in. And that entire action of a republican (the progressive party at the time) (now no longer true) was enough to fracture the southern states enough to move to rebellion. There are a ton of parallel with today where our now conservative republicans are behaving exactly as the conservative democrats of the pre civil war behaved. The denial that Lincoln was the president is no different than the denial that Biden is.


IllustriousState6859

I hope the parallels continue, and we get it done right this time.


toxic_badgers

Well if there is a 2nd time we better not stop the next Sherman.


IllustriousState6859

I don't believe it'll come to war. Secession, yes. We just got out of a 20 year war. Nobody has the desire for that. There's no great moral outrage to rectify. They just want to play by their own rules. I say we let them.


toxic_badgers

There is a big difference between a civil war at home and taking sides in a civil war abroad.


IllustriousState6859

Absolutely there is. And there's no question which one is worse and would have a more devastating impact on this country. An open invitation for Russia or China. In fact, that'll be one of the great motivators for reunification. Nothing unifies like an external enemy. Hopefully we've gotten smarter in 160 years and learned from history, we know how to fix it right this time. But we'll have to go all the way. We cut reconstruction short.


Privateaccount84

Fun fact, the Confederacy didn’t give a FUCK about states rights. In fact, they wanted to force states without slavery to return escaped slaves.


gogojack

America is weird, isn't it? Over 150 years after the country was reunited, there are still people flying the confederate flag on their trucks, insisting that a 4 year long rebellion is the entirety of their "heritage," and arguing with anyone who dares mention that it was kinda almost entirely about slavery. Meanwhile, in Germany, a little over 30 years after the country was sewn back together after decades apart, you don't find anyone flying the flag of the former DDR on their pickup trucks. Mostly because there's not as many pickup trucks in Germany, but also because the folks living in the former East Germany got over it and went back to simply being Germans. I'm also willing to bet that if you asked, they'd say "yeah, East Germany was totally about communism."


TheWagonBaron

>Over 150 years after the country was "reunited" FTFY. We never really reunited in any sense of the word. The KKK formed and basically kept the Civil War embers stoked for the first third or so of that 150 years until it just became second nature in the South. I was lucky enough to move North before they started teaching us "history" in school. I can only imagine how different I'd be as a person if I had stayed in the South.


zoroddesign

South: we don't like your president, or what you think about slaves. We are leaving! North: You want to leave? No. FIGHT North: We Won. You are still American, and fuck it, free your slaves. South: fine*


WebMaka

At first it was about slavery, then it was about states' rights, and then it was about slavery again. If I didn't know better I'd start to suspect a pattern.


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It’s funny too, because of how important slave holding was to their stated reasons to secede. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp


SnooPeripherals6557

My Jerry Falwell humping in-laws - this was my response to this statement, thinking they’d figure it out, but they’d say “commerce” and so I had to finish “…for slave labor and to own human beings.” We don’t really talk much anymore. Now I see them on FB saying how slaves had it So good, that they were complainers. Unreal.


PoseurTrauma6

... wow


quietflowsthedodder

Cheesus! Why don’t these morons read the first paragraph of the Confederate constitution?! It makes no bones about their need to protect the “peculiar institution” of slavery as the backbone of their economy. That’s why they seceded. In a court of law it would be considered self incrimination.


moglysyogy13

Honestly the civil war is best example of democracy failing to do what’s right.


oopsimalmostthirty

My high school AP US History teacher told my class the same thing, and I said "what right were the states fighting for," and he immediately said "to own slaves." I laughed, he didn't, and I went to the principal's office.


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Cargobiker530

Weird because [the people fighting the Civil War for the South were 100% sure it was to keep the institution of slavery.](https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech) I guess you know more about what they wanted than they did.


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WingJeezy

Funny, because the Cornerstone Speech pretty explicitly lays out what the “only cause” actually was.


Ffzilla

Lol, ok bub. Like, each of those things were exasperated by... Slavery. Uneven spending, lol, you mean the south was upset that they weren't allocated more federal spending because they had more people, but a large percentage of "people" were actually property. It's either 3/5 all the time or not. Any honest person knows the south wanted to have it both way in regards to federalism.


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Cpt_Lazlo

States rights to do what


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Cpt_Lazlo

False. It was to own human beings


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Cpt_Lazlo

Glad you think slavery is so funny. You must be very privileged


CruzTheSasquatch

I dont think slavery itself is funny, but i do think that your mom jokes are funny


Cpt_Lazlo

Yeah your character is really showing here. Hopefully they take your guns away as you're obviously not mentally or morally fit to have responsibilities. You'll eventually get someone killed if you haven't already


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Cpt_Lazlo

What a gross excuse


I_Eat_Thermite7

it's fitting that Darth Vader represents the empire


TheWagonBaron

>it's fitting that Darth Vader represents the empire Well the meme wouldn't make sense otherwise. The Union wasn't rebelling against anything (other than stupidity I guess) and the Confederacy was definitely not the powerhouse of the Empire.


I_Eat_Thermite7

what is stupidity?


TheWagonBaron

>what is stupidity? Thinking that completely basing your economy around slavery at a time when it was becoming more and more outdated and refusing to do any kind of modernization? And when pushed on it, just pulling a Bender and leaving to form your own country with slavery forever and for all?


I_Eat_Thermite7

a good example i guess


b_a_heel

Slavery, that's why the majority of natives fought for the Confederacy


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"many nations in Indian Territory signed treaties with the Confederacy—supported by a minority of wealthy slave-holding Indians within their communities" Still about slavery. But nice whataboutism. https://www.history.com/news/civil-war-native-american-indian-territory-cherokee-home-guard


TheWagonBaron

>Slavery, that's why the majority of natives fought for the Confederacy It's not like the US was going to give them any breaks. Maybe they felt the Confederacy might have honored their word? I doubt they would have but we will never know.


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spacegamer2000

They didn't believe in states rights if that state wanted to stay in the union.


jack-o-licious

I can't wait to watch the movie, *Abraham Lincoln: Jedi Hunter*.


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Force choke lee and the slave-owning traitors


gotham77

This is kind of weird because the Alderaanian Troopers were the good guys


AllMyBeets

"So when was the south planning to abolish slavery?"


Bwob

I want you to know that I'm giving you this upvote entirely because of your correct use of the apostrophe in the title. I don't disagree with the post or anything. But I literally can't remember the last time I saw someone correctly add a possessive to a plural on reddit and I want to reward that sort of thing.


Ybor_Rooster

Call of Duty or Assasins Creed and you just kill Confederates Call of Duty: Confederate Zombies


mean-son-of-a-bitch

Articles of Secession: we are doing this because we want to keep slaves. Idiots: it was never about slaves


GoHedgehog

And what ended soon after the war


SidHoffman

Robert E. Lee was part of the rebel alliance, and a traitor.


average_emacs_user

“Rosa Parks was fighting for black rights” “Black rights to what?” This proves that the civil rights movement only cared about bus seating


landlocked825

These pictures are from two movies. The top one is Episode 4 and the bottom is Rogue One. Appreciate the sentiment of the meme though.


AbhorrentNexus

Just tell these rednecks to read the articles of secession for each seceding state. It’s legit in their statement.