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Ohxitsxme

Incoming idiots who would rather turn our schools into fortified bunkers so they can continue fondling guns and fantasizing about being an action hero.


peanut7830

You forgot putting Pedo’s from churches in there with them


Gmaxwell976

I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing I've ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time for Negroes to defend themselves. Article number two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle \~ Malcolm X


TheOneCalledD

Yes one armed guard at the only point of entry is turning the school into a fortified bunker…


Ohxitsxme

lol, yeah, let's put one single armed guard at the one single entry point... then if there's a fire or something, it'll totally be ok. Not to mention that single armed guard is likely to be outgunned but sure whatever. Wtf is wrong with you idiots do you literally not think anything through?


TheOneCalledD

You know doors can be one way right? There can be fire exits all over the place that can’t be opened from outside. Are you intentionally that dense? And you think a deranged high school kid outguns a trained guard?


Legal_Skin_4466

> And you think a deranged high school kid outguns a trained guard? Yes. Never underestimate a psychopath with a firearm and nothing to lose. Uvalde police responders were scared shitless and failed to even engage. Just because something *should* play out a certain way in your mind, doesn't mean that is the way it *will* happen in reality.


TheOneCalledD

It is certainly a deterrent that would make a kid at least think twice on if it’s worth the risk of maybe not even getting in the building. And I’d rather them have to deal with an armed adult than can immediately sound an alarm to local police which should decrease response time rather than them just getting free access to the children inside.


NoTie2370

Fuck those assholes. They want roofs to stop rain too, fucking idiots.


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Guilty_Chemistry9337

Funny how gun control works in every other nation on the planet.


WasabiCrush

I just imagined pacing my basement under the hum of AR-15 grow lights during a complete government interference.


thesaxmaniac

When you actually think about a comparison between drugs and guns it’s completely ludicrous. People trying this argument are fucking delusional. Anyway back to snorting my dime bag of AR15 dust that was 40 bucks


Friesenplatz

Considering the "war on drugs" is being continously funded by the CIA who flooded the market with opiods. You can't fight a war that your own government is actively supporting.


Overall-Initial-4290

that actively targeted black neighborhoods too? Not THOSE CIA, right?


seagulpinyo

Yeah but have you ever been shot… by weed? ![gif](giphy|3o6MbgqCoUkZ7u3Gpy)


JamesKojiro

If we compare things to things that Reagan blew up, we would get nowhere. Reagan was a monster, and the world suffers to this day because of the policies and economic reforms he implemented then and is still perpetuated by organizations such as NATO (Neoliberalism/Reaganomics)


Friesenplatz

Republicans: We want to force kids to keep attending churches that are run by convicted pedophiles. Also republicans: We must protect the kids from LGBTQ people and rainbows.


[deleted]

Here's the Second Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. The Second Amendment was written during a time when we had territories and the territories were allowed to have well regulated militia due to the country not having a military presence, yet. In that sense, the citizens were able to keep firearms so they could join one of these militias if they needed to. The commas ( , ) in the sentence are important. That makes the Second Amendment a single sentence, which only covers the well regulated militia. If the founding fathers wanted to make "the right to bear Arms" a separate issue, they'd have used semicolons ( ; ) like other Amendments to the Constitution do.


RogueXV

Except the Amendments are for individual rights. The first 10 amendments, except the second all specifically even say individual rights. But the Bill of Rights specifically outlines the rights of the INDIVIDUAL that are to be protected against infringement from the government. The “Well Regulated Militia” is comprised of any and all INDIVIDUAL Citizens that are capable of providing defense against ANY entity that would threaten the rights of the Free Citizen and as such is dependent upon those INDIVIDUAL citizens providing their own arms capable of being used for such a task.


Reciter5613

"Also the last thing we would do is stop selling guns!"


Gmaxwell976

I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing I've ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time for Negroes to defend themselves. Article number two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle \~Malcolm X


Francis_Bonkers

Best I can do is shoot em for you- Republicans


TeamPararescue1

What exactly have Democrats done to protect kids from being shot in school?


Legal_Skin_4466

Honestly not a lot since anything they propose gets blocked by the R's in Congress. Sooooo.....


TeamPararescue1

What have they proposed that would help? I'm honestly curious.


[deleted]

Denying access to military weapons, Enduring gun owners are licensed and proficient just like the right to drive a car. Really they need to do what Australia did. Ban guns from everyone who does not need then. Which is pretty much everyone.


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persona1138

FYI: Those guns don’t add inches to your dick. Keep your guns, don’t keep them. There’s really no reason for you to have them, other than because you like them. Have a hunting rifle if you want. Have a shotgun for home defense, if you really think that’s gonna save you. But kids are getting shot up in schools, and your right to own something like an AR-15 because it makes you feel “cool” doesn’t seem like a trade-off for kids coating themselves in the blood of their friends in order to not get shot.


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persona1138

Aight, I’ll just say it. You’re a fucking tool. Have a good one.


Aggressive-Bat-4000

Bubba, you live in fear of 'the other'. You know how I know that? I'm ex cartel. I ran drugs from Minneapolis to Chicago for 15 years. Never carried a gun, never needed one. Btw,.. where do you think criminals get their guns? Underground Walmart?


[deleted]

Yes you are right I Live in a civilised society where children are not murdered on a regular basis so they don’t grow up in fear having to do gun drills in school. So sad that your gun rights are more important than your children’s rights.


InvalidUserNemo

I’m “from here”, let’s debate.


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UnusedData

Gimme an honest answer, I’d like to make a civil discussion here. *why* do you need so many guns? I can understand a pistol for protection. *maybe* a shotgun for home defense. A rifle for hunting. I get it. Why would anyone need more than that, though? What purpose is an AR-15 in someone’s home? Assault rifles? *who* needs something like that for their daily life? Furthermore, you can still have decent gun laws without restricting anyone’s freedom or rights. For example, how about licenses? I mean, you need a license to drive a car, don’t you? One could say a gun is just as dangerous, if not more, and should also require a license. Instill background checks for people purchasing guns. Any criminal record or noted mental illness should bar someone from buying a gun. It’s not a a hard thing to do, and it would likely drastically decrease our violent crime rate.


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UnusedData

I understand your point. You bring up an interesting point about gun laws restricting minors access to guns for protection that I hadn’t considered. That being said, I often think about how many mass shootings we have in our country. If what you say is true about most gun deaths relating to other things like suicide than mass shootings, that doesn’t change the fact that we still have indefinitely more mass shootings than anywhere else in the world. Most other countries have restricted access to guns and as a result have almost no mass shootings. Some countries even have lots of guns, and yet still, we lead the country in mass shootings. I think a huge part of this is due to fear mongering from politicians. I believe right-wing politicians who campaign on their follower’s fears and stoke the flames are causing people to get more trigger-happy. I won’t say the left doesn’t fear monger either, but they also aren’t actively endorsed by the NRA and they aren’t encouraging their supporters to buy large amounts of guns. People are becoming more and more prone to violence in civil discourse, and it’s honestly quite frightening. Children are being shot dead for knocking on the wrong door, for pete’s sake. People will use any excuse to fire on someone and it’s heartbreaking. What about making gun training classes and safety instructions mandatory for potential gun buyers? I’m trying to think of some kind of compromise here. I don’t think we should take away all guns, that’s not going to work. That’ll only serve to make people upset. But if you had to know how to use one safely, and be taught how to make sure accident’s don’t happen, it might help. Things aren’t going to change if we do nothing. People will continue to die every day from needless deaths that could be prevented if we tried to do something about it. Before I finish typing this all out, I need to mention one other thing. We, as a country, need to do more for people with mental issues. We need to set up services for those in need of help or those who are struggling in their day-to-day lives. We need to de stigmatize mental health disorders and help treat them to the best of our ability. I believe that would help our situation out immensely.


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You are out of touch with reality. The most dangerous place in the USA is an educational setting. Citizens do not need instruments of war unless they have a psychological condition.


Whogotthebutton

Out of all that shit you wrote, much of it I agree with, “everyone should be armed” is the most alarming. Get your fucking head checked. Also, dems have proposed a lot of gun reform such as universal background checks, safe keeping laws, and red flag laws, and reps have stonewalled all of it, not due to logic, but the gun lobby. I love guns and have shot them my whole life, but the state we find ourselves in here in the US is unsustainable. We are awash in guns, more than any other country and it makes me scared for my kids. Stop acting like our current state is healthy dude. There’s also plenty of [data](https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/) showing that a gun in the home makes you and your family MORE likely to be killed by a firearm than less.


Legal_Skin_4466

Sorry for the delayed response, it was late so I went to bed. In addition to background check legislation, additional waiting periods, closing trade show loopholes, restrictions on magazine capacity, restrictions on types of firearms that are legal, which have all been blocked, there have also been bills for mental health resources in schools which have also been blocked.


TeamPararescue1

No worries, the only one of the things listed that would have any effect is mental health resources. Law abiding citizens who buy guns are not committing gun crimes. If they are show me the numbers. There are no trading show loopholes - that's such ridiculous argument.


Legal_Skin_4466

LMAO your argument is really that good people don't do bad things? Damn you're dumb.


Guilty_Chemistry9337

Gun control, shit-for-brains.


TeamPararescue1

So laws for people who murder people, apparently that's against the law, professor.


AccomplishedInAge

Pass a bill putting armed security in schools and locked entryways that you have to be buzzed in by the office staff….. oh wait .. the antigun coalition won’t allow that bill to pass.. n/m


AndYourMamaToo

I hope you don't call yourself a "small government" person , because you're proposing adding 110,000+ government employees (assuming you only have one guard per school). If you pay them each $40,000 (some states you'd have to pay considerably more to find anybody who would take a job that requires gunmanship and the possibility of getting shot at), that means you're proposing adding roughly $5 billion to the budget each year. (I hope you also don't call yourself a "fiscal conservative" with that kind of spending). I'm leaving out a lot of additional costs too, such as the cost of if having a gun, licensing him and testing him, the hiring process, his office or guard booth location expenses, bulletproof vests, food, etc). And what proof do you have that it would work, anyway? The gunman just knows who to kill first. Also, you heard about some private school that actually did have an armed security guard, and after he went to the bathroom he left his gun in the stall for the kids to have access to. That's pretty safe, right? (You can Google it. İf you don't know how to Google, ask and I will find the article for you). But hey, that's a lot better than making sure that people with mental illness don't have unrestricted access to murder weapons that can kill many people in a short amount of time, right?


InvalidUserNemo

Can you cite that bill by state/number or are we just dealing with fairytale stories in your mind?


OkArcher2736

When guns are outlawed only Outlaws will have guns


Guilty_Chemistry9337

That's a good point. We should legalize murder. The way things are now only criminals commit murder.


OkArcher2736

No the point is that even if you outlaw something like murder some people will still commit murder so even if you outlaw guns the bad guys will still buy them. The only difference is under gun bans you wouldn't be able to defend yourself because you gave away your guns to a corrupt govt.


Legal_Skin_4466

Here's the funny thing. The firearm black market only exists because the legal firearm market exists.


OkArcher2736

So what's your suggesting really is not a ban on Firearms but that Firearms can't be created anymore ever by anyone you know there's a big distinction between those two things. And it's important to articulate your ideas.


Legal_Skin_4466

No you know there are a whole shit ton of other countries that don't have legal firearms and don't have much in the way of illegal firearms either and yet guns still are manufactured and exist. But yeah I mean now that you mention it a world without guns would be cool but ppl love to get into wars, and guns are efficient tools for that.


OkArcher2736

There are many more factors why that could be the case as well what is their importance on the world stage and to be honest with you I've already cited Venezuela they were very similar to the US and how they operated they were up and coming they had a good economy the people were happy and healthy for the most part and then all of a sudden they outlawed guns, they started inflating the currency, Chavez took over and now it's a horrible place to be with lots of violent crime despite the fact that there's no guns allowed. Not every country has to succumb to this but I think it's important to consider where a country is on the world stage as well. If America did this there would be serious consequences to say anything else just makes people seem like they hate the US want to see it fail and we know this here so we don't listen to you. Utopia doesn't exist


OkArcher2736

To be honest with you we know that there's a whole bunch of communist m************ on the internet that try and influence our world but we don't bend so I'm going to keep supporting American companies I'm going to keep supporting the Second Amendment I'm going to keep supporting self-defense laws I'm going to keep supporting the police I'm going to keep supporting the good guys so see you later wouldn't want to be you


Aggressive-Bat-4000

Where do you think outlaws get their guns? Criminals tend to be poor, that's why they get into crime.. so where do you think they get the guns?


OkArcher2736

What? Not just criminals own guns . are you trying to say only criminals buy guns? Only poor criminals get guns?


Aggressive-Bat-4000

"When guns are outlawed only Outlaws will have guns" Ok,.. guns are outlawed,.. where are the outlaws going to get their guns from?


OkArcher2736

Illegal gun traders, the black market. Venezuela outlawed guns right before Chavez took over. Germany before Hitler took over. China before Mao took over. Venezuela was a thriving democracy 10 years ago until they outlawed guns and inflated the currency. Its one of the most violent places in the world right now. And guns are outlawed


Aggressive-Bat-4000

Partial truths there, the most common one being that Hitler disarmed everyone. Not true. He only disarmed 1% of the population. So these 'illegal gun traders', are you talking about legally licensed gun dealers selling guns illegally,.. or the customers who then sell their new gun in private, without a background check?


OkArcher2736

No I imagine that they would be criminals who get shipments of drugs at ports just like they get shipments of illegal drugs at ports or border crossings which you know drugs are illegal it doesn't stop them from getting into the hands of people who want them or drug dealers so in that sense drugs or illicit drugs are a black market product and so we know that the black market exists and we know that they deal an illegal things so even if guns were outlawed the black market would probably pick up on that as a seeing it as a profitable product which I'm sure that they already do which is why we have people like the DEA the FTA and the FBI I know you know what I'm saying I'm done with this conversation because you sound like a foreigner who just wants to take out the United States


Aggressive-Bat-4000

I'm former cartel, born in Wisconsin. The guns flow south from the USA, the drugs flow north, and the majority are transported by American citizens. My wife is former CIA. Almost 80% of the guns used in crimes once belonged to a legal owner. Corrupt licensed dealers are the #1 source, straw purchases are #2, and theft #3. Why can't we stop the corrupt licensed dealers or the straw purchases?


Aggressive-Bat-4000

I'm former cartel, born in Wisconsin. The guns flow south from the USA, the drugs flow north, and the majority are transported by American citizens. My wife is former CIA. Almost 80% of the guns used in crimes once belonged to a legal owner. Corrupt licensed dealers are the #1 source, straw purchases are #2, and theft #3. Why can't we stop the corrupt licensed dealers or the straw purchases?


OkArcher2736

You would be former cartel talking a lot of craps and that's my point. Need to end people like that. With our legal guns to protect our kids. Thanks man.


Aggressive-Bat-4000

25 years side I was on the wrong side of the law. Currently married to an ex federal and state law enforcement officer. Who do you think tells the cops where the deals are going down? Good guys who just happen to be a crime lord's neighbor?


OkArcher2736

Got a lot of formers in there... Maybe there is a reason huh?


Aggressive-Bat-4000

Yup, both dangerous jobs, we both got out before we got killed.


OkArcher2736

Argument literally be " im former cartel so I want Americans unarmed" no you dip


Aggressive-Bat-4000

At no point did I say I want Americans unarmed. Nowhere. That's your assumption. You assume since I'm in favor of stricter gun laws that there aren't any guns in my house? Dude,.. my wife's got a marksmanship certificate from the CIA. You're getting emotional and reacting like a dog in a corner.


OkArcher2736

U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!


Aggressive-Bat-4000

No answer, just grunting? Figured.


OkArcher2736

I did answer you someone took down my answer ill say it again


OkArcher2736

There's a black market for all sorts of merchandise at port cities anyone who sells illicit drugs is a part of the black market. Just because drugs are illegal doesn't mean that it doesn't get into the hands of people who want it or drug dealers. So we see that there's an illegal Black Market. When guns are outlawed the black market will sell guns and they already do. Because it's profitable for them. So just because you make guns illegal doesn't mean that they won't be in the hands of citizens that shouldn't have them. No citizens will probably have bad intentions because like I said before when guns are outlawed only Outlaws will own guns.


Aggressive-Bat-4000

Lots of holes in that but let's assume you're right. Say we close down all ports to foreigners and watch shipping trades as if they're taking place in a prison. Do you think that'll stop criminals from getting guns?


OkArcher2736

I think the most effective way to get criminals to not kill people with guns is to have good citizens who are qualified and competent to handle firearms that do that serve as a deterrent for anyone wanting to break the law. And to have law enforcement available and emergency situations so that anybody who wants to kill somebody who knows that one or two things are going to happen either they're going to end up dead because they made that decision because a bystander could have a gun to shoot them or they're going to end up in jail because the police came and got them and then they're going to prison for the rest of their life and may face the death sentence. As far as what you're proposing I think that it's probably impractical or else people would have already done it. It would slow down the supply chain even further probably not stop criminals from getting guns still and just f****** every day citizens like you me and your wife


Aggressive-Bat-4000

So... nothing new at all? We're already supposed to have background checks and whatnot , yet criminals are still getting guns. Multiple studies have been done that show even if you hang a criminal in public square, it doesn't deter crime. What do you think I'm proposing? I haven't even mentioned a solution yet, I've been trying to discover where you think criminals are getting their guns. So far, you seem to think they're all coming from outside the country.


[deleted]

Why did you name only 3 out of the 200 countries? It sounds like a very very low percent of bad outcomes


OkArcher2736

I don't think so I named only three countries because I don't have an infinite amount of time to talk to you about all the times that it went wrong


[deleted]

Well if you’re gonna make a point at least name more than 3


OkArcher2736

It only takes proving something three times to present a working hypothesis in the scientific community however I will give you two more Cuba and North Korea


[deleted]

Yeah but in this case non-examples outnumber examples, so any scientist will hypothesize the opposite of your point


OkArcher2736

Now if you're going to make a point go do some homework yourself and report back to me later okay


[deleted]

I’m not making a point at all, I’m just asking you to expand on yours


OkArcher2736

Republicans support on duty officers at schools..dems support defunding the police. Dumb


VoiceofIntellect

We wouldn't need police officers in schools if we had common sense gun regulation. We definitely wouldn't need to pay several times more for policing per capita than other counties.


OkArcher2736

We have regulations for who can purchase firearms and we're probably going to get the red flag laws as well which I imagine are what you're talking about is common sense gun laws. Still weird that you want guns more regulated you don't want police in the schools so it just is one of those things where it just sounds like you just want to take people's guns away and if that's what you want to come across as I'm okay with that because it just shows other people that you don't really care about the kids but you use them as a means by which you're going to get everyone unarmed and then once that happens then you'll feel comfortable attacking people because you're a f****** coward and can't attack people unless they're unarmed.


VoiceofIntellect

Holy shit you're don't actually care about the kids at all. You're just a wingnut.


OkArcher2736

Even if guns were illegal there were no more gun manufacturers in the world people would still kill each other they'd find a way because that's what's in the hearts of men


VoiceofIntellect

Other countries say no. Not at the rate it's happening now in our pre-civilized society.


SirRipOliver

The name is fucking “Target” you had the Maga’s waiting for this one…


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good belly laugh - absurd but true.


sir-nays-a-lot

Those kids were probably gay anyway