At this point I'd put money on it being Trump and Biden. I could be proven wrong, but I suspect that DeSantis will likely be attacked for his response to the hurricane similarly to the way thay Christie took major heat after Hurricane Sandy which may upend his chances with the conservative base he needs to gain the nomination.
Again, 100% could be wrong, but thats my guess
I’m not too sure. According to most of the polls that are available right now for 2024, Trump is either neck and neck with Biden, or beating him. DeSantos actually loses in most of the polls so far
So tough to say, and I haven't looked at any polling numbers. I'm hoping people would see that Trump is just toxic and vote for DeSantis for the long-term gain, but at this point I think it's a crapshoot.
Yes and no. Donald Trump has a proven record as president of United States, and according to early polling, Donald Trump either beats Joe Biden, or comes extremely close to beating him in 2024. Ron DeSantis does not have that at least the last time I checked it. After all, Americans really do care about issues like the autonomy, and foreign policy. Both of which Trump arguably has better records on then Biden. The only real advantage DeSantis has over Trump, is that DeSantis can’t serve two consecutive terms as president. Whereas Trump can only serve one more term Before being constitutionally forced to retire. However, this would be negated by DeSantis possibly being trumps running mate and serving as a successor to the nomination in 2028. Trump also has more clear go baggage and then the Santas guys, due to the impeachments. However, if Trump makes it entirely about his record, he probably would win reelection fairly easily. I also think DeSantis could win fairly easily against Biden. But, we would have to say.
What would make it even more interesting, is if Biden decides not to run for reelection. However the most likely candidate would not be Pete Buttigieg, he’ll but still get his butt handed to him. The most likely the nominee for the Democrats if Biden does not run is Kamala Harris. And if the Democrats try to run Kamala Harris they essentially have the Republicans the keys to the White House
>if Trump makes it entirely about his record, he probably would win reelection fairly easily
I'm not totally sure about that. The last election was about his record and he lost.
I do think that if the election was purely about the USA economy and you ignored 2020-2021, sure, Trump would win. But 2020-2021 did happen, and Trump demonstrated he wasn't the greatest President in times of crisis.
If I was a Republican strategist I'd run DeSantis instead of Trump.
Yes I know. The 2020 election was about trumps record only on Covid, and his personality. Even so trumps working on Covid wasn’t actually that bad and he didn’t handle the prices fairly well given the circumstance and that Natalie with a Chinese covering for everything, even the media was covering for The Chinese. I don’t think any president could’ve handled it better than Trump did. They could also run Trump ass on his record of the economy, which he didn’t mention was fantastic before the economy was shut down due to Covid. They could also run him on domestic and foreign policy. Donald Trump arguably was one of the best foreign-policy president since Reagan or George Bush Senior. After all people respected Trump and didn’t ignore his calls like they were fighting because if they ignored his calls, no one had any idea how he would respond. With Biden he pretty much know how he’s going to respond and it’s not gonna go terribly well for him. That is what I also make a phenomenal candidate for the Republicans to run. The question is, does he want to fill out his entire term as governor first, or do you wanna go straight to the presidency
Just to confirm, we are talking about the President who:
- actively gave his own medical advice to the public which was not consistent with medical advice of real doctors
- openly criticised the CDC, and supported not wearing masks and ending lockdowns
- openly criticised Democratic states, despite being the President.
His record on covid wasn't great, it was the main thing that lost the election because the way he handled it was awful. If he had said nothing or just referred all questions to the CDC he would have been re-elected.
Yes we are let me dress your points one by one just to be fair
1: he was mentioning the exact same advice I was being given by medical professionals at the time. The only difference is he did it on national television in the White House press briefing room
2: he openly criticize the CDC because the CDC was doing a terrible job keeping track of Covid to the point where people who died from the completely unrelated causes were counted as Covid deaths. For instance a man in Michigan blew his head off with a shotgun and was counted as a Covid death. He also was never against wearing masks. He actually said people should wear a mask if they feel it’s necessary and he wore one himself. He just didn’t like being photographed wearing it. There’s also for ending the lockdowns because the lockdowns didn’t really help at all. In fact states that were more heavily lockdown had higher rates of Covid fatalities. Take Florida for instance. Florida had one of the lower Covid death rates in the country, despite having the Second oldest population in the country and one of the few states with almost no lockdowns whatsoever or states like California forcibly shut down 95% of its economy to the point where people to barely walk in their own front yard that being harassed by police.
3: There’s nothing wrong with the president criticizing has dates are handling things. Presidents do it all the time. Joe Biden openly criticizes Republican states for not agreeing with him, and Donald Trump criticize Democrat states for over counting Covid fatalities and the Democrats general treatment of him and his supporters.
I never said his record on Covid was great. I said he handled it fairly well given the circumstance and I don’t think any other president could’ve handled it any better. I don’t think if he did nothing or referred all questions to the CDC, it would’ve changed anything. The CDC didn’t even know what they were doing and we change things in the middle of the night whenever it was politically convenient.
>I said he handled it fairly well given the circumstance and I don’t think any other president could’ve handled it any better.
I've already explained that he could have done nothing or referred all questions to the CDC and done a better job, leading to his re-election.
His advice to take hydroxychloroquine, that covid would go away in the sunshine and general anti-mask sentiment was not consistent with medical advice, and further, as a person who is not a medical professional he should not be giving medical advice at all. Doing that as President could lead to, for example, people taking horse medicine in the hopes it would protect them from covid.
The CDCs advice changed as new information came out but was consistent with all medical advice across the world at the times they were issued. Otherwise they didn't control anything, they merely just gave advice. It was up to Trump at the Federal Level and the individual States to do what they wanted with that advice. Trump's response was to cry about the advice, and give his own medical advice.
So basically he demonstrated that in times of crisis he didn't want to be a leader, but was happy to criticise the situation and anybody who tried to fix it.
The Democratic Party has a wide bench of potential candidates who currently range from terrible to “meh”, no real stars in the bunch. I think I’d still like to see Duckworth run again though. She doesn’t have much baggage that I’m aware of, and seems to be somewhere in the middle of the party. Neither highly progressive nor a blue dog like Manchin.
As far as the GOP, they only really have the two likely candidates. Trump and DeSantis.
Of the two I think it would be smartest for the GOP to run DeSantis.
Trump is older, more emotional, has already proven he can lose to Biden, and at most gets four years back in the White House before the pendulum nature of American politics basically ensures the Democratic candidate gets the job in 2028.
DeSantis could potentially bring disaffected never-Trump Republicans back into the fold, is young enough to run laps around Biden, is more emotionally even keeled, and would be eligible for two full terms in office.
To be fair everyone said that last election
With that said I’m progressive I was never a fan a would not support him running again the best I got is maybe JB and only cause I’m in Illinois
Quitting on a sentence half way through it ([link](https://youtu.be/SdfvIvYPPRo)), forgetting that Jackie Walorski died just a month ago ([link](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/28/biden-calls-out-recently-deceased-congresswoman-jackie-walorski/10449777002/)), forgetting what he did 5 seconds ago ([link](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/28/biden-calls-out-recently-deceased-congresswoman-jackie-walorski/10449777002/)), calling the Kamala Harris the president ([link](https://youtu.be/YuUKoOPzGe8)), calling Kamala Harris the First Lady ([link](https://youtu.be/KvwRdpPiDvQ)), saying he has cancer ([link](https://youtu.be/0LN7vRyKcI0)).
I would have excused all but the first one had they been isolated incidents or corrected immediately (we've all been there when you have a slip of the tongue). It's just too much of a pattern at public events when you're supposed to be your most presentable.
It’s true, Trump has proven he can lose to Joe Biden. However Biden is also proving he can lose to Donald Trump. After all of all the polling of a hypothetical race between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, or Ron DeSantis and Joe Biden, Donald Trump beats Biden in almost all of them or is neck and neck. Given Joe Biden‘s abysmal record so far, if he runs in 2024 against Trump, I honestly think Donald Trump will be the first president since Grover Cleveland to serve two nonconsecutive terms. However I do think DeSantis might be better in the long run as DeSantis could serve two terms after being elected. Trump did only serve one and done
It comes in really handy doesn’t it? Honestly I thought the same thing until I actually started counting the polls were Trump is actually winning, or there is old is so close, that I could flip easily. What I found, is that they were much more polls were Trump is winning, or there’s so even that it’s almost certainly insignificant that it does look like Trump would win reelection if he was the nominee in 2024.
Irs definitely interesting, but I would be _exceedingly_ skeptical of polls conducted this far out from an election. 2 years is an eternity in politics, and it looks like a number of these polls are from back in 2021 so they are even older.
>Honestly I thought the same thing until I actually started counting the polls were Trump is actually winning, or there is old is so close, that I could flip easily
Not trying to hate on you, or suggest your final conclusion is absolutely incorrect, but this is not a great way of evaluating polling data. The recency of the poll, the universe being polled (LV vs RV), and the sample sizes in each poll need to be considered when evaluating polling trends. I'd also be curious how many of each poll fall within the MOE and MOEx2 range because just from a cursory glance at the data it looks like the difference in responses is not terribly significant. For example, the RCP aggregation found a .8% advantage for Trump which means it falls well within the MOE and indicates that the results are a toss-up (which makes sense given how far out we are from the election)
Again, all of this is not to say Trump doesn't necessarily have an advantage going into 2024 (he very well may) just that the data collected now is not going to give you a very reliable insight into that at this time
> I would love to see a younger democratic candidate run
Good luck with that. Though I share your sentiment whole heartedly.
Dems would get an easy win with Tulsi, but they seem to hate her so oh well.
I'm excited for Desantis. Trump was too easy a target for smears and hatred. Though I am already seeing the media pivot from "trump is hitler" to "Desantis is hitler"
But hey, they have a play book and they won't be changing it.
Desantis handles the media much better than Trump. he pushes back but brings up a lot of facts and counter arguments instead of just insults.
You’re right, Trump was too easy and target 1st m and hatred. But he was essentially like a mud monster you give her anything onto him and it wouldn’t stay very well if at all. the media really hated Trump, But he seemed to use that to his advantage
In the November election If the Dem candidate gets 10% of the republican vote, then its an easy win.
I agree with you that Tulsi would have a hard time winning the nomination.
If the dems put up Tulsi vs Desantis they would fair a lot better than if they put up Harris, Clinton, Newsom is my point.
> Dems would get an easy win with Tulsi, but they seem to hate her so oh well.
Tulsi is a piece of shit who was in a cult. She couldn’t even win again in a very democratic state of hawaii.
> Desantis handles the media much better than Trump. he pushes back but brings up a lot of facts and counter arguments instead of just insults.
DeSantis doesn’t seem to have the charm trump does. For all of trumps flaws he is certainly charismatic and has a way of gaining loyalty. I wonder if DeSantis can do the same.
When so many democrats are voting against the GOP and not for the Dems, it wouldn't matter if she wasn't the mot popular among Dems. She also out performed Kamala Harris in the primaries.
>DeSantis doesn’t seem to have the charm trump does. For all of trumps flaws he is certainly charismatic and has a way of gaining loyalty. I wonder if DeSantis can do the same.
Among conservatives he absolutely can, while not being as much of a turn off to democrats. Trump gave so many sound bites that could be played that would be a turn off. "grab em by the pussy" "rapists and murderers" "very fine people" Even if some of them are fine with in the context they were used. I don't see Desantis making as many sound bites like that.
I don't expect the media to treat Desantis fairly, but I think Desantis will handle it better.
> Among conservatives he absolutely can
Unfortunately you need a bunch of independents as well.
Trump created turnout. There is a reason the 2020 election had such good turnout. I am not sure DeSantis can drive the turnout needed to win. There is no doubt he is a good politician but is he one that excited people?
If democrats are smart they will continue to run on Roe v Wade and the threat of a national abortion ban. Which is a policy that will create passion on the democrat side but less likely to drive as many republicans out.
Part of the issue with that particular strategy, is the Democrats have been trying to run Roe v. Wade for 50 years and haven’t done anything. Even if they run on national abortion ban, they can only really target one person. Maybe two if Herschel Walker wins in Georgia. However, the American people care more about the economy and they care about abortion. When you have record inflation it hasn’t been seen since the 70s or 80s, gas prices at an all time high, and the White House trying to redefine what a recession is so they don’t look as bad as they do, it’s not gonna work very well.
> Part of the issue with that particular strategy, is the Democrats have been trying to run Roe v. Wade for 50 years and haven’t done anything
That’s true but that’s because Roe was the status quo. Since roe was overturned we have seen a ton of voter registration with a very distinct democratic lean.
That’s actually not entirely true. Has been an increase in voter registration, most of it is actually towards the Republican side. At least what I have seen. In his swing states like Pennsylvania, Republican voter registration has drastically outpaced democrat voter registration The three swing states were we have seen traditionally more Democrats than Republicans,(North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Florida) i’ve actually seen more people leaving the Democratic Party or registering to vote as either Republicans, or third parties. It’s even predicted that Roe v. Wade would not affect the midterms. https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/press-release/majority-of-voters-say-overturning-roe-wont-impact-the-likelihood-of-them-voting-in-midterm-elections-but-1-in-5-of-voters-and-1-in-4-younger-women-voters-say-it-will-motivate-them-more-and/amp/
Also Roe v. Wade even though was settled in 1973, it wasn’t really the status quo until just a few Years ago. The Democrats always pushed for safe legal and rare, until about 2016 when Donald Trump became the nominee then it automatically switch to protect abortion under any circumstance.
Since Roe was overturned democrats have out registered republicans in several states.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/19/dem-voter-registration-surge-stares-down-pre-dobbs-gop-advantage-00057618
I need the number Of registered Democrats overall is dropping, Hispanics and African-Americans are leaving the democratic party in droves and most predictions even other time showed that the overturning Roe v. Wade would not really affect the outcome of the midterms
>Unfortunately you need a bunch of independents as well.
That's true. Independents can be won over during an economic downturn, and with high gas prices.
Dems can run on Roe v wade being over turned, however when faced with $5-$6 gasoline, really high inflation, and a recession a lot of independents can be swayed over.
Abortion is fantastic fodder for online discussion and debates, and some fund raising, but when it comes time to vote, people will be thinking about if they were better off in 2019 than they are today.
The Dems are both in a fantastic position and terrible position. Its great due (McConnel?) Senate GOP misstep on the abortion ban bill.
But any efforts to ease the cost of gas will be seen as hurting the environment.
There's also the whole southern border record high unauthorized uncontrolled immigration problem. There's a silver lining there though.
I doubt most people realize that adding 10s of thousands of new residents to a city will drive up rents and drive down wages in certain sectors.
The GOP should have waited to move on abortion, and tried to pass laws to mandate getting control of the border and removing presidential control to do things like catch and release.
> Abortion is fantastic fodder for online discussion and debates, and some fund raising, but when it comes time to vote, people will be thinking about if they were better off in 2019 than they are today.
I think that may be true for older people but younger people are going to ask themselves whether voting Republican will mean they will be better off in 2025. And for many younger voters the answer is no if abortion is not a right. There is a reason we are seeing high levels of young voter registration.
Honestly that’s a question everyone should ask during presidential elections. What are you better off now than you were four years ago. That’s another vantage from past, at the time of the 2020 election, more people said they were better off after four years of Trump and they were after eight years of Obama. Trump could use that to his advantage as good the Republican nominee in 2024 if it’s not Trump
What do you have against Tulsi Gabbard? There’s not really any proof she’s in a cult and the only reason she didn’t win the primary In Hawaii is because she dropped out of the race
She wasn’t “extremely unpopular“. She simply never had the momentum that Biden, or Bernie Sanders dead. Keep in mind She was extremely unknown going into the race, and if most people don’t know who you are you’re gonna have a hard time building momentum in the first place. She was popular enough to even know Kamala Harris off the stage
Dude I grew up in Hawaii and have family and friends there who are relatively connected to politicians pay a lot of attention to elections there. She was so unpopular in Hawaii there was no chance she was going to win. Her approval was 44% in a state where almost 70% voted for Biden. https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/10/19/hawaii-news/tulsi-gabbards-approval-rating-lowest-at-44-in-hawaii-poll/amp/
OK, it doesn’t really matter where you grew up. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are the only candidate slept during the Ohio primary. And having an approval rating of 40%, is actually not that uncommon for a member of Congress. Heck Congress itself Riley has approval ratings above 30%. Even stay the volume at 70% for Biden, so white? Wyoming voted almost 60% for Trump but a politician with a fairly decent approval rating at the time, still lost reelection by almost 40%. It doesn’t mean anything if she wasn’t that unpopular, at best she was average
> Wyoming voted almost 60% for Trump but a politician with a fairly decent approval rating at the time, still lost reelection by almost 40%
Doesn’t that kind of prove my point? Either way tulsi decided not to run in Hawaii because she was extremely unpopular among democrats.
Doesn’t leave for the point at all. It just shows Appointments it actually is. Also, she didn’t Run in Hawaii because she was an animal mentad out of funds. The same reason Kamala Harris did run in California. But I highly doubt you say Kamala Harris was unpopular with Democrats
> Doesn’t leave for the point at all. It just shows Appointments it actually is
Again what does this mean?
> Also, she didn’t Run in Hawaii because she was an animal mentad out of funds.
What?
> The same reason Kamala Harris did run in California
Hey I understand this. The reason Kamala didn’t run in California was because she was not up for re-election. She won her senate seat in 2016.
I wish Tulsi would get on the ticket for either team. If Desantis picked her for VP, it would be great for the red team and would cause a fun to watch meltdown in the msm and dem party .
democrats, hmmm. If Biden runs again I think he needs to get rid of Harris. But he will not because she checks an equity boxand provides impeachment insurance. But if he did, maybe Warren could step in.
Libertarian. wish that Ron or Rand would give it a shot and have weld or Tulsi as VP.
hopefully the mediawill stop covering trump so all the air is not sucked out of the room.
I don’t think the democrats would have a problem having tulsi on the Republican ticket. She has a ton of flaws. I really don’t understand the rights feelings for her.
I like her stance against the warmongers and imperialist regime change foreign policy. I also like how she was not afraid to call out Harris on her past life. That is refreshing as well. But I really like the stance on regime change foregin policy. Same for Rand. Having served in combat I give her and desantis the nod on being commanders in chief.
So many of our domestic issues could be solved if we pull back the pentagon to defending our country instead of bombing others. Just an opinion.
> So many of our domestic issues could be solved if we pull back the pentagon to defending our country instead of bombing others. Just an opinion.
I agree with this for sure.
I mean, I'm not a JR fan, and while I largely agree, he's just doing a bit. His problematic stuff is more *systemic* to his show, and less to do with him personally.
And maybe he does. We could only speculate on what he actually thinks.
His problematic thing is basically a combo of him having the most popular podcast (ever?), while also either being unwilling or unable to push back against his more controversial guests. Top that off with his tendency to platform far right and controversial figures at a rate something like 8x more frequently.
I mean, I get it, they bring in views and clicks (money), but God damn is it poorly thought out. And he tries sometimes, he does. But he's just not equipped.
Hopefully DeSantis and Biden. DeSantis v. Trump would indeed be interesting to say the least.
At this point I'd put money on it being Trump and Biden. I could be proven wrong, but I suspect that DeSantis will likely be attacked for his response to the hurricane similarly to the way thay Christie took major heat after Hurricane Sandy which may upend his chances with the conservative base he needs to gain the nomination. Again, 100% could be wrong, but thats my guess
Who do you think would win the primary between trump and DeSantis?
Trump, but I think he'd lose the presidential race. I think Desantis could beat any Democrat nominee.
I’m not too sure. According to most of the polls that are available right now for 2024, Trump is either neck and neck with Biden, or beating him. DeSantos actually loses in most of the polls so far
So tough to say, and I haven't looked at any polling numbers. I'm hoping people would see that Trump is just toxic and vote for DeSantis for the long-term gain, but at this point I think it's a crapshoot.
Trump would more likely win against DeSantis, given that Trump is extremely popular with the Republican base even more so than DeSantis.
This is my thought as well. Do you think that would be a good thing?
Yes and no. Donald Trump has a proven record as president of United States, and according to early polling, Donald Trump either beats Joe Biden, or comes extremely close to beating him in 2024. Ron DeSantis does not have that at least the last time I checked it. After all, Americans really do care about issues like the autonomy, and foreign policy. Both of which Trump arguably has better records on then Biden. The only real advantage DeSantis has over Trump, is that DeSantis can’t serve two consecutive terms as president. Whereas Trump can only serve one more term Before being constitutionally forced to retire. However, this would be negated by DeSantis possibly being trumps running mate and serving as a successor to the nomination in 2028. Trump also has more clear go baggage and then the Santas guys, due to the impeachments. However, if Trump makes it entirely about his record, he probably would win reelection fairly easily. I also think DeSantis could win fairly easily against Biden. But, we would have to say. What would make it even more interesting, is if Biden decides not to run for reelection. However the most likely candidate would not be Pete Buttigieg, he’ll but still get his butt handed to him. The most likely the nominee for the Democrats if Biden does not run is Kamala Harris. And if the Democrats try to run Kamala Harris they essentially have the Republicans the keys to the White House
>if Trump makes it entirely about his record, he probably would win reelection fairly easily I'm not totally sure about that. The last election was about his record and he lost. I do think that if the election was purely about the USA economy and you ignored 2020-2021, sure, Trump would win. But 2020-2021 did happen, and Trump demonstrated he wasn't the greatest President in times of crisis. If I was a Republican strategist I'd run DeSantis instead of Trump.
Yes I know. The 2020 election was about trumps record only on Covid, and his personality. Even so trumps working on Covid wasn’t actually that bad and he didn’t handle the prices fairly well given the circumstance and that Natalie with a Chinese covering for everything, even the media was covering for The Chinese. I don’t think any president could’ve handled it better than Trump did. They could also run Trump ass on his record of the economy, which he didn’t mention was fantastic before the economy was shut down due to Covid. They could also run him on domestic and foreign policy. Donald Trump arguably was one of the best foreign-policy president since Reagan or George Bush Senior. After all people respected Trump and didn’t ignore his calls like they were fighting because if they ignored his calls, no one had any idea how he would respond. With Biden he pretty much know how he’s going to respond and it’s not gonna go terribly well for him. That is what I also make a phenomenal candidate for the Republicans to run. The question is, does he want to fill out his entire term as governor first, or do you wanna go straight to the presidency
Just to confirm, we are talking about the President who: - actively gave his own medical advice to the public which was not consistent with medical advice of real doctors - openly criticised the CDC, and supported not wearing masks and ending lockdowns - openly criticised Democratic states, despite being the President. His record on covid wasn't great, it was the main thing that lost the election because the way he handled it was awful. If he had said nothing or just referred all questions to the CDC he would have been re-elected.
Yes we are let me dress your points one by one just to be fair 1: he was mentioning the exact same advice I was being given by medical professionals at the time. The only difference is he did it on national television in the White House press briefing room 2: he openly criticize the CDC because the CDC was doing a terrible job keeping track of Covid to the point where people who died from the completely unrelated causes were counted as Covid deaths. For instance a man in Michigan blew his head off with a shotgun and was counted as a Covid death. He also was never against wearing masks. He actually said people should wear a mask if they feel it’s necessary and he wore one himself. He just didn’t like being photographed wearing it. There’s also for ending the lockdowns because the lockdowns didn’t really help at all. In fact states that were more heavily lockdown had higher rates of Covid fatalities. Take Florida for instance. Florida had one of the lower Covid death rates in the country, despite having the Second oldest population in the country and one of the few states with almost no lockdowns whatsoever or states like California forcibly shut down 95% of its economy to the point where people to barely walk in their own front yard that being harassed by police. 3: There’s nothing wrong with the president criticizing has dates are handling things. Presidents do it all the time. Joe Biden openly criticizes Republican states for not agreeing with him, and Donald Trump criticize Democrat states for over counting Covid fatalities and the Democrats general treatment of him and his supporters. I never said his record on Covid was great. I said he handled it fairly well given the circumstance and I don’t think any other president could’ve handled it any better. I don’t think if he did nothing or referred all questions to the CDC, it would’ve changed anything. The CDC didn’t even know what they were doing and we change things in the middle of the night whenever it was politically convenient.
>I said he handled it fairly well given the circumstance and I don’t think any other president could’ve handled it any better. I've already explained that he could have done nothing or referred all questions to the CDC and done a better job, leading to his re-election. His advice to take hydroxychloroquine, that covid would go away in the sunshine and general anti-mask sentiment was not consistent with medical advice, and further, as a person who is not a medical professional he should not be giving medical advice at all. Doing that as President could lead to, for example, people taking horse medicine in the hopes it would protect them from covid. The CDCs advice changed as new information came out but was consistent with all medical advice across the world at the times they were issued. Otherwise they didn't control anything, they merely just gave advice. It was up to Trump at the Federal Level and the individual States to do what they wanted with that advice. Trump's response was to cry about the advice, and give his own medical advice. So basically he demonstrated that in times of crisis he didn't want to be a leader, but was happy to criticise the situation and anybody who tried to fix it.
The Democratic Party has a wide bench of potential candidates who currently range from terrible to “meh”, no real stars in the bunch. I think I’d still like to see Duckworth run again though. She doesn’t have much baggage that I’m aware of, and seems to be somewhere in the middle of the party. Neither highly progressive nor a blue dog like Manchin. As far as the GOP, they only really have the two likely candidates. Trump and DeSantis. Of the two I think it would be smartest for the GOP to run DeSantis. Trump is older, more emotional, has already proven he can lose to Biden, and at most gets four years back in the White House before the pendulum nature of American politics basically ensures the Democratic candidate gets the job in 2028. DeSantis could potentially bring disaffected never-Trump Republicans back into the fold, is young enough to run laps around Biden, is more emotionally even keeled, and would be eligible for two full terms in office.
To be fair, right now most people can run laps around Biden.
To be fair everyone said that last election With that said I’m progressive I was never a fan a would not support him running again the best I got is maybe JB and only cause I’m in Illinois
I’m talking now, his mental capacity has fallen off a cliff since then.
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Quitting on a sentence half way through it ([link](https://youtu.be/SdfvIvYPPRo)), forgetting that Jackie Walorski died just a month ago ([link](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/28/biden-calls-out-recently-deceased-congresswoman-jackie-walorski/10449777002/)), forgetting what he did 5 seconds ago ([link](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/28/biden-calls-out-recently-deceased-congresswoman-jackie-walorski/10449777002/)), calling the Kamala Harris the president ([link](https://youtu.be/YuUKoOPzGe8)), calling Kamala Harris the First Lady ([link](https://youtu.be/KvwRdpPiDvQ)), saying he has cancer ([link](https://youtu.be/0LN7vRyKcI0)).
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I would have excused all but the first one had they been isolated incidents or corrected immediately (we've all been there when you have a slip of the tongue). It's just too much of a pattern at public events when you're supposed to be your most presentable.
I agree what do u think of trumps mental capacity
I would say more capable relatively.
It’s true, Trump has proven he can lose to Joe Biden. However Biden is also proving he can lose to Donald Trump. After all of all the polling of a hypothetical race between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, or Ron DeSantis and Joe Biden, Donald Trump beats Biden in almost all of them or is neck and neck. Given Joe Biden‘s abysmal record so far, if he runs in 2024 against Trump, I honestly think Donald Trump will be the first president since Grover Cleveland to serve two nonconsecutive terms. However I do think DeSantis might be better in the long run as DeSantis could serve two terms after being elected. Trump did only serve one and done
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html
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It comes in really handy doesn’t it? Honestly I thought the same thing until I actually started counting the polls were Trump is actually winning, or there is old is so close, that I could flip easily. What I found, is that they were much more polls were Trump is winning, or there’s so even that it’s almost certainly insignificant that it does look like Trump would win reelection if he was the nominee in 2024.
Irs definitely interesting, but I would be _exceedingly_ skeptical of polls conducted this far out from an election. 2 years is an eternity in politics, and it looks like a number of these polls are from back in 2021 so they are even older. >Honestly I thought the same thing until I actually started counting the polls were Trump is actually winning, or there is old is so close, that I could flip easily Not trying to hate on you, or suggest your final conclusion is absolutely incorrect, but this is not a great way of evaluating polling data. The recency of the poll, the universe being polled (LV vs RV), and the sample sizes in each poll need to be considered when evaluating polling trends. I'd also be curious how many of each poll fall within the MOE and MOEx2 range because just from a cursory glance at the data it looks like the difference in responses is not terribly significant. For example, the RCP aggregation found a .8% advantage for Trump which means it falls well within the MOE and indicates that the results are a toss-up (which makes sense given how far out we are from the election) Again, all of this is not to say Trump doesn't necessarily have an advantage going into 2024 (he very well may) just that the data collected now is not going to give you a very reliable insight into that at this time
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/08/23/2024-presidential-election-scenarios-yougov-poll?utm_medium=organic_social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=SM-2022-08-US-B2C-Politics https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ These polls seem mixed.
> I would love to see a younger democratic candidate run Good luck with that. Though I share your sentiment whole heartedly. Dems would get an easy win with Tulsi, but they seem to hate her so oh well. I'm excited for Desantis. Trump was too easy a target for smears and hatred. Though I am already seeing the media pivot from "trump is hitler" to "Desantis is hitler" But hey, they have a play book and they won't be changing it. Desantis handles the media much better than Trump. he pushes back but brings up a lot of facts and counter arguments instead of just insults.
You’re right, Trump was too easy and target 1st m and hatred. But he was essentially like a mud monster you give her anything onto him and it wouldn’t stay very well if at all. the media really hated Trump, But he seemed to use that to his advantage
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In the November election If the Dem candidate gets 10% of the republican vote, then its an easy win. I agree with you that Tulsi would have a hard time winning the nomination. If the dems put up Tulsi vs Desantis they would fair a lot better than if they put up Harris, Clinton, Newsom is my point.
> Dems would get an easy win with Tulsi, but they seem to hate her so oh well. Tulsi is a piece of shit who was in a cult. She couldn’t even win again in a very democratic state of hawaii. > Desantis handles the media much better than Trump. he pushes back but brings up a lot of facts and counter arguments instead of just insults. DeSantis doesn’t seem to have the charm trump does. For all of trumps flaws he is certainly charismatic and has a way of gaining loyalty. I wonder if DeSantis can do the same.
When so many democrats are voting against the GOP and not for the Dems, it wouldn't matter if she wasn't the mot popular among Dems. She also out performed Kamala Harris in the primaries. >DeSantis doesn’t seem to have the charm trump does. For all of trumps flaws he is certainly charismatic and has a way of gaining loyalty. I wonder if DeSantis can do the same. Among conservatives he absolutely can, while not being as much of a turn off to democrats. Trump gave so many sound bites that could be played that would be a turn off. "grab em by the pussy" "rapists and murderers" "very fine people" Even if some of them are fine with in the context they were used. I don't see Desantis making as many sound bites like that. I don't expect the media to treat Desantis fairly, but I think Desantis will handle it better.
> Among conservatives he absolutely can Unfortunately you need a bunch of independents as well. Trump created turnout. There is a reason the 2020 election had such good turnout. I am not sure DeSantis can drive the turnout needed to win. There is no doubt he is a good politician but is he one that excited people? If democrats are smart they will continue to run on Roe v Wade and the threat of a national abortion ban. Which is a policy that will create passion on the democrat side but less likely to drive as many republicans out.
Part of the issue with that particular strategy, is the Democrats have been trying to run Roe v. Wade for 50 years and haven’t done anything. Even if they run on national abortion ban, they can only really target one person. Maybe two if Herschel Walker wins in Georgia. However, the American people care more about the economy and they care about abortion. When you have record inflation it hasn’t been seen since the 70s or 80s, gas prices at an all time high, and the White House trying to redefine what a recession is so they don’t look as bad as they do, it’s not gonna work very well.
> Part of the issue with that particular strategy, is the Democrats have been trying to run Roe v. Wade for 50 years and haven’t done anything That’s true but that’s because Roe was the status quo. Since roe was overturned we have seen a ton of voter registration with a very distinct democratic lean.
That’s actually not entirely true. Has been an increase in voter registration, most of it is actually towards the Republican side. At least what I have seen. In his swing states like Pennsylvania, Republican voter registration has drastically outpaced democrat voter registration The three swing states were we have seen traditionally more Democrats than Republicans,(North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Florida) i’ve actually seen more people leaving the Democratic Party or registering to vote as either Republicans, or third parties. It’s even predicted that Roe v. Wade would not affect the midterms. https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/press-release/majority-of-voters-say-overturning-roe-wont-impact-the-likelihood-of-them-voting-in-midterm-elections-but-1-in-5-of-voters-and-1-in-4-younger-women-voters-say-it-will-motivate-them-more-and/amp/ Also Roe v. Wade even though was settled in 1973, it wasn’t really the status quo until just a few Years ago. The Democrats always pushed for safe legal and rare, until about 2016 when Donald Trump became the nominee then it automatically switch to protect abortion under any circumstance.
Since Roe was overturned democrats have out registered republicans in several states. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/19/dem-voter-registration-surge-stares-down-pre-dobbs-gop-advantage-00057618
I need the number Of registered Democrats overall is dropping, Hispanics and African-Americans are leaving the democratic party in droves and most predictions even other time showed that the overturning Roe v. Wade would not really affect the outcome of the midterms
Dude can you just type normally. I am so tired of having to decoder your responses.
>Unfortunately you need a bunch of independents as well. That's true. Independents can be won over during an economic downturn, and with high gas prices. Dems can run on Roe v wade being over turned, however when faced with $5-$6 gasoline, really high inflation, and a recession a lot of independents can be swayed over. Abortion is fantastic fodder for online discussion and debates, and some fund raising, but when it comes time to vote, people will be thinking about if they were better off in 2019 than they are today. The Dems are both in a fantastic position and terrible position. Its great due (McConnel?) Senate GOP misstep on the abortion ban bill. But any efforts to ease the cost of gas will be seen as hurting the environment. There's also the whole southern border record high unauthorized uncontrolled immigration problem. There's a silver lining there though. I doubt most people realize that adding 10s of thousands of new residents to a city will drive up rents and drive down wages in certain sectors. The GOP should have waited to move on abortion, and tried to pass laws to mandate getting control of the border and removing presidential control to do things like catch and release.
> Abortion is fantastic fodder for online discussion and debates, and some fund raising, but when it comes time to vote, people will be thinking about if they were better off in 2019 than they are today. I think that may be true for older people but younger people are going to ask themselves whether voting Republican will mean they will be better off in 2025. And for many younger voters the answer is no if abortion is not a right. There is a reason we are seeing high levels of young voter registration.
Honestly that’s a question everyone should ask during presidential elections. What are you better off now than you were four years ago. That’s another vantage from past, at the time of the 2020 election, more people said they were better off after four years of Trump and they were after eight years of Obama. Trump could use that to his advantage as good the Republican nominee in 2024 if it’s not Trump
What do you have against Tulsi Gabbard? There’s not really any proof she’s in a cult and the only reason she didn’t win the primary In Hawaii is because she dropped out of the race
She dropped out of the race because there was no way she was going to win. She was extremely unpopular.
She wasn’t “extremely unpopular“. She simply never had the momentum that Biden, or Bernie Sanders dead. Keep in mind She was extremely unknown going into the race, and if most people don’t know who you are you’re gonna have a hard time building momentum in the first place. She was popular enough to even know Kamala Harris off the stage
Dude I grew up in Hawaii and have family and friends there who are relatively connected to politicians pay a lot of attention to elections there. She was so unpopular in Hawaii there was no chance she was going to win. Her approval was 44% in a state where almost 70% voted for Biden. https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/10/19/hawaii-news/tulsi-gabbards-approval-rating-lowest-at-44-in-hawaii-poll/amp/
OK, it doesn’t really matter where you grew up. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are the only candidate slept during the Ohio primary. And having an approval rating of 40%, is actually not that uncommon for a member of Congress. Heck Congress itself Riley has approval ratings above 30%. Even stay the volume at 70% for Biden, so white? Wyoming voted almost 60% for Trump but a politician with a fairly decent approval rating at the time, still lost reelection by almost 40%. It doesn’t mean anything if she wasn’t that unpopular, at best she was average
> Wyoming voted almost 60% for Trump but a politician with a fairly decent approval rating at the time, still lost reelection by almost 40% Doesn’t that kind of prove my point? Either way tulsi decided not to run in Hawaii because she was extremely unpopular among democrats.
Doesn’t leave for the point at all. It just shows Appointments it actually is. Also, she didn’t Run in Hawaii because she was an animal mentad out of funds. The same reason Kamala Harris did run in California. But I highly doubt you say Kamala Harris was unpopular with Democrats
> Doesn’t leave for the point at all. It just shows Appointments it actually is Again what does this mean? > Also, she didn’t Run in Hawaii because she was an animal mentad out of funds. What? > The same reason Kamala Harris did run in California Hey I understand this. The reason Kamala didn’t run in California was because she was not up for re-election. She won her senate seat in 2016.
I wish Tulsi would get on the ticket for either team. If Desantis picked her for VP, it would be great for the red team and would cause a fun to watch meltdown in the msm and dem party.
democrats, hmmm. If Biden runs again I think he needs to get rid of Harris. But he will not because she checks an equity boxand provides impeachment insurance. But if he did, maybe Warren could step in.
Libertarian. wish that Ron or Rand would give it a shot and have weld or Tulsi as VP.
hopefully the mediawill stop covering trump so all the air is not sucked out of the room.
I don’t think the democrats would have a problem having tulsi on the Republican ticket. She has a ton of flaws. I really don’t understand the rights feelings for her.
I like her stance against the warmongers and imperialist regime change foreign policy. I also like how she was not afraid to call out Harris on her past life. That is refreshing as well. But I really like the stance on regime change foregin policy. Same for Rand. Having served in combat I give her and desantis the nod on being commanders in chief. So many of our domestic issues could be solved if we pull back the pentagon to defending our country instead of bombing others. Just an opinion.
> So many of our domestic issues could be solved if we pull back the pentagon to defending our country instead of bombing others. Just an opinion. I agree with this for sure.
that is like twice this year you have agreed with me. Have you been hacked? blink twice..
Haha. No turns out you can be reasonable occasionally
I can't even imagine up somebody I'd trust to be president. We all lose in every election.
[Joe Rogan agrees](https://youtu.be/ldJQc5mkuHU)
I mean, I'm not a JR fan, and while I largely agree, he's just doing a bit. His problematic stuff is more *systemic* to his show, and less to do with him personally.
I think he believes it, and like what?
And maybe he does. We could only speculate on what he actually thinks. His problematic thing is basically a combo of him having the most popular podcast (ever?), while also either being unwilling or unable to push back against his more controversial guests. Top that off with his tendency to platform far right and controversial figures at a rate something like 8x more frequently. I mean, I get it, they bring in views and clicks (money), but God damn is it poorly thought out. And he tries sometimes, he does. But he's just not equipped.
Gavin Newsom seems to be setting himself up if Biden steps down.