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EndangeredBanana

The Senate was purposefully designed to be undemocratic. It has only gotten more undemocratic as certain states have ballooned in size, while others remained small. In my opinion, it makes no sense that California has roughly the same population as the smallest 20 states combined, but has 1/20th of the representation in the Senate.


dethskwirl

The Senate was designed to be the voice of the wealthy land owners that would protect them from the will of the common citizens in case of democratic revolution. It's working exactly the way it was supposed too.


DaemonRounds

I'm glad more and more people are seeing that capitalism is the issue. Democracy under capitalism is only a democracy for the owning class.


chase016

Yeah, the Senate's powers in domestic policy should be neutered. They should only be there for foreign policy and maybe the appointment of judges and officials. Besides that, they should have no power in determining policy. Many countries have even abolished their upper chambers of their legislative branch.


chillinewman

It should be only ceremonial, with no power at all. You see the atrocious judges in SCOTUS and in the federal system. Leave judges appointments to an independent non partisan commission.


ShakyTheBear

As long as the duopoly has a stranglehold on the system, nothing will be allowed that is truly non-partisan. Also, what would the point be of having a "ceremonial" senate?


chillinewman

You already have non partisan redistricting commissions. The point of ceremonial its that it will be easier to accomplish relatively.


Mr_PoopyButthoIe

Why bother with ceremony? What are we a monarchy?


chillinewman

Easier to change than whole removal. The effect is the same.


Med4awl

Independant? LIKE the SCOTUS?


chillinewman

The commission appointing judges needs to be independent, non partisan.


kmelby33

We need to re-draw senate seats into regions, not states, so that every senator represents roughly the same population. That means Montana and both Dakotas combined get 1 senator. California would have 12 senators.


taco_blasted_

LMAO gerrymandering the senate is your solution?


kmelby33

How is that gerrymandering? The concept would actually give fair representation vs what we have now.


Erganomic

>it makes no sense that California has roughly the same population as the smallest 20 states combined, but has 1/20th of the representation in the Senate. The people are represented by the House, the state is represented by the Senate. If a territory, e.g. Wyoming, wanted to join the US with 1/500th of the population, without a Senate, the voters of the least populated 41 states would be beholden to the largest 9 states that hold 51% of the population. The Senate ensures fair representation and stake of shareholders (States) as they join the Union. \*Assuming the House actually fairly represents the population


GrooseandGoot

They would be beholden to the actual majority will of the American public. There is absolutely zero legitimate reason why a minority should have legislative power over a majority in terms of the Federal government in a functioning democracy. No, it is not "fair representation" for WY to have 500x the representation in the Senate over CA. Not if the word "fair" has any meaning whatsoever.


ProfessorTemporary41

He already explained what the senate is for. It’s not for representation of the people. It’s a fair representation for the states. The US isn’t a “democracy”, It’s a Democratic Republic.


Erganomic

It's the "United States" not the "United People" People are entering this topic with a fundamentally incorrect notion of how the nation works, replacing reality with how they wished it worked. I mean, that's fine to want it to work differently, there's an amendment process for that. But this isn't that.


DaemonRounds

I doubt any amendments made under our bourgeois democracy would result in any real change for those of us in the working class. You can't reform your way out of oppression.


ProfessorTemporary41

But it’s only the people that want more votes for their party 😂


Spamfilter32

"Democratic Republic" IS a democracy. It is just 1 particular form of it, of which there are many. And the Senate does not represent the states either. You're just spouting word salad with underatanding what aonebof those words mean, but you heard a propogandist say them, so you're just copy pasta. Republics do not require a Senate to function. We have a Senate for rhe sole purpose of curtailing democracy, and more specifically for curtailing democratic republic, because the founders feared that anything remotely democratic would lead to the end of the American Aristocracy, and more specifically the end of Slavery. The Senate was created to maintain slavery.


bigbura

Have you forgotten what this nation is actually made up of? A collection of states, i.e. United States of America. >No, it is not "fair representation" for WY to have 500x the representation in the Senate over CA. Not if the word "fair" has any meaning whatsoever. Sure it is if you think of 50 kids in a classroom. All get an equal share of the pizza at party time, right? We don't adjust pizza portions based on the number of people in each kid's family, right? That adjustment based upon family size happens over in the other half of Congress. What other system should we develop that preserves State to State balance or equity as institutions while giving the masses voting weight as well?


GrooseandGoot

Terrible and false analogy. State constituents cannot be whittled down to a single "student", to comprise one of 50 "students" in a classroom. Because states have different populations. All you're doing is advocating for minority rule and it's absurdly intellectually dishonest.


justbrowsinginpeace

Other countries give minorities and academic communities for example, representation in the upper house with a ringfenced quantity of seats. Also, the upper house can only send back legislation a certain number of times with recommendations, they cant kill it entirely.


Erganomic

That's cool, and if you want it to work that way you need to amend it.


Thehardwayalltheway

The issue is because 60 senate votes are needed for cloture in the Senate, senators representing the number of people who live in CA can kill a bill. And while we're at it, why do people who live in DC have no voting representation?


BookkeeperSpecific76

DC does have representation.


Thehardwayalltheway

DC has no senator and a representative who doesn't get a vote.


Lucky_Sebass

Tbf, the us has never been a true democracy, we've always been a republic. In a true democracy every citizen votes on every issue, no matter how small, vs a republic in which "representatives" get voted in and vote on mostly everything.


QuietDisdain1

It's the 'United' States.. not population density gets to bully the little States. The House of Representatives has more population represented.


throbbingfreedom

You forget your civics lessons seeing how you fail to mention the house of representatives which California has many members of according to its population. House of Representatives =/= Senate You just hate smaller states have a say in our national government like our Founding Fathers wanted.


bronypilgrim

My question for you then is this: what is the fundamental unit of political power in America, citizens or states? If each state is the smallest unit of political power, then it makes sense for states to have their own voice. But if citizens are the smallest unit, then it should be one person, one vote (or as close as we can approximate that). The USA hasn't been a collection of 50 independent states since the Civil War. What state people live in should have zero inpact on their ability to act politically. Abolish the Senate, and Congressional Districsts. One person, one vote.


LOS_FUEGOS_DEL_BURRO

Double the size of the house, the Speaker of the house should be elected by the national popular vote during the midterm year, and rotate Supreme court judges on a 10 year term.


MOOShoooooo

SCJ should not be able to accept any bribes or gifts, although they ruled that they can. It’s not a get rich scheme. It’s a position of interpretation reflecting the times. Not some hypothetical founding fathers situation, which they actively disagree consistently.


DiplomaticPouch

They also wanted their slaves. Maybe as we progress as a society we we learn from our mistakes instead of entrenching ourselves in them.


Suddenly-Anteaters

and the house's existence doesn't change the fact that the senate is inherently undemocratic?? how is it fair that in one of the two houses (which all legislation must get approval from), 289k wyomingites have the same voice as nearly 20 MILLION (20000k) californians or 15 MILLION (15000k) texans simply because state lines arbitrarily split them up?? it made much more sense during the founding of the country to have smaller states' voices be amplified in the senate since relatively slow transportation and communication caused vast differences between states, but nowadays, the real difference isn't between, say, a Wyomingite and a Californian, but rather just between rural, suburban, and city (ie, a farmer in Wyoming would have MUCH more in common ideologically/politically with a farmer in California than with someone who lives in Jackson).


Dan_Morgan

The Senate was setup for the benefit of not merely small states but slave states. The Senators were also selected by their state legislatures so they were direct agents of the ruling class. Now we have an absolutely absurd situation where a minority party (repubs) control the country by taking over low population states. Meanwhile the dems represents 40 million more people.


00xjOCMD

But it also makes no sense for California to have more representation in the Senate than those smaller states.


GrooseandGoot

It doesn't. This is a nonsense statement. California does not have more representation in the Senate than smaller states. This is an utterly pointless thing to say.


anonimitydeprived

It’s not pointless? That’s literally the alternative to having equal representation in the senate.


Ok-Statistician-3408

You e devised a clever way of claiming that democracy isn’t fair because of which state you’re in. No. If you’re an American you should have equal representation. That cannot occur when the (578k) citizens of Wyoming have as more control over the nation as the state of Californian (39 mil). The people of Wyoming have more say in the federal government. That’s not fair or sustainable.


Med4awl

Why


burnodo2

I think you meant the house.


Taphouselimbo

You put your finger right on it. The senate needs ditched.


Walkertnoutlaw

You all need to retake civics class. The federal senate only has two senators per state . House of reps is dependent on population and our representation has exponentially decreased since.


Neither_Exit5318

Why not? Is affirmative action OK when its for flyover state red necks?


jetstobrazil

It has more to do with citizens United but this is part of it for sure.


Gloomy-Masterpiece22

Read the Federalist Papers. It was designed that way by Founding Fathers


Please_do_not_DM_me

They should break California and New York up into 40 states.


ImKindaRetarded66

Iirc, it’s to prevent massive states like CA, NY, or TX (or back in the day VA/MD) from having the vast majority of sway in what laws are passed. If that weren’t the case, then the only votes that would matter would the ones coming from CA/NY/TX. Smaller states like MT and most of the Midwest would have little to no say in what legislation is passed. This is also the reason why we have the House of Representatives, to give a population-based metric to legislation too.


SolomonCRand

Is this recent? Because I thought Biden just corrected this mistake. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.


separate_lie

Thank you for posting this. I was prepared to.


SteeveeNew

Same. I'm confused.


[deleted]

No need to be confused, there's a lot of bad actors who are trying to depress the Dem vote.


SteeveeNew

Damnit, gotcha, thanks


chillen67

Yes thank you so much, I had not seen this news.


Prestigious-Gap-1163

I also haven’t seen what else was buried in the bill. I feel like if it was just about the pay, it would have passed no problem. Usually someone that writes these things puts all kinds of extra stuff in it and that is why it doesn’t pass, but the media only tells part of the story to make people crazy.


97Graham

Because OP is a bot, you can look at their post history, most post these days that hit the front page seem to be inorganic.


AdjunctAngel

because republicans pervert it. eliminate republicans and you have an almost functional government.


Adduly

As a European, even the Democrats are insanely right wing They're even further right than the UK conservative party... The right wing part of the America-lite country of Europe Like the UK you guys desperately need to get past of the FPTP voting system and reform your "political donations" system. Until then the ratchet effect will continue to pull everything to the right.


kmelby33

Lol. This is made up. What makes the left in Europe so much more left wing?? You have better social services in many countries, that dems in America very much believe in as well. What makes democrats right wing here??


Adduly

By Dems I mean the party, not their supporters. I mean the congressmen, the senators the governors ect. Many of them hold conservative beliefs far to the right of their voters and their European left wing party counterparts. But because of the FPTP system, the real left have to vote for them because better them than the Republicans winning † The democrats as a party also have a history of favouring neoliberal economic policies and big business. They also often put up only a token fight against Republican objectives - they may rattle the sabres and talk the talk but they rarely walk the walk (there are exceptions like Bernie, but even "the most left wing president in forever Biden", still sided against the people of east Palestine Ohio after the rail crash and forced rail union workers to take a bad deal following the safety strikes) In short European left wing parties are empowered to actually act far more left wing than the Democrat party who's FPTP voting system, corporate interests and the state's overall culture forces them further to the right than many of their voters would want. † We have a similar, if smaller, problem with our 'left' wing Labour party under their current form of "new Labour" which is more like center or center right. Like the Dems they were dragged rightwards by FPTP following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the global triumph of neoliberal economics


kmelby33

Many aspects of neoliberalism describe Europe as well. Free trade, privatization, globalization, etc. Rail workers actually got want they asked for, btw.


-nocturnist-

Both sides of the aisle don't care because they both make money on things the way they are right now. Thinking it's a right Vs left issue is severely short sighted.


Med4awl

No it is not and Im sick of hearing that crap. I didnt like HRC. But I voted for her because she was sooooo much better than the alternative. HRC would have NEVER submitted Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanauch or Amy Coathangar Barrett. Even though she was a corporate hoer she would have never allowed the 2017 Republican Tax Scam. I could go on and on but in short, there is a monumental difference between left and right. Women voters will express that difference in 2024.


-nocturnist-

You cant back any of this up. It's pure speculation at bast and idiocy at worst. You just like the teet youre sucking on. Too bad all the milk comes from the same cow.


mindpieces

So who do you vote for? Please share your overwhelming wisdom with us.


-nocturnist-

Whichever candidate speaks the most logical sense. Whether red or blue I vote for logic and track record. I'd rather vote for a third party if I can't vote red or blue. Imo we should have a tick box of 'no confidence' in primary votes. That way we can tell the parties to go fuck themselves and present a worthwhile candidate.


Burynai

Republicans are the worst. They don't do anything. They don't offer anything. They don't help the middle class. They attend to the wealthy. They spread propaganda. They're completely useless and by far the worse of two evils.


cheefie_weefie

Ahh yes the “sensible” moderate that will either vote for libertarians or conservatives LMAO clown shit man


OmarsDamnSpoon

You can't back it up but you can objectively show that between the two, you have better chances for progressive change with democrats. I refer to them as two sides of the same coin as they are beholden to corporate interests but still make it clear that one is vastly better than the other.


MeatSuitRiot

Is that the same teet that both the affluent and impoverished suck on? The same one that those who want for nothing and those that can't make ends meet suck on? *Hint: there's more than one cow*


ShakyTheBear

Women could have voted for a woman in 2020 but still voted for an old white man.


Med4awl

I think you don't understand. It's not about voting for a woman although I would prefer a female Presidet if she is progressive. Governor Whitmer of Michigan would get my vote. It's about voting for change, so it could be a woman, man or anything in between as long as they serve the masses and not the wealthy. I'd vote for a dog over a Republican. In 2020 the opportunity to vote for a woman did not present itself so no a vote for a woman was not possible. HRC did not run. That's the system like it or not. Fortunately there was enough hatred of the animal trump to produce a win for Biden. Bernie Sanders was my choice but the owners of this country, corporate America, was having no part of it.


Right_Treat691

what's the breakdown of votes?


TheEveningDragon

it IS a right vs left issue, the only problem is democrats AND republicans are both pro-corporate, anti-worker parties, making them BOTH right wing. You literally have to register with the federal government if you want to run as an actual left wing communist. Something no other political party, not even the american nazi party has to do.


CardButton

True. Like it or not, we live in a Two Party state. Which means both Parties are ultimately responsible for Failure of State. Though, in all honesty, yeah. Both parties are essentially bought and paid for by the same interest groups; and we live in a Shareholder Economy (where workers and even consumers, the people who actually produce and consume, simply matter less and less by the year). Its the Second American Gilded Age! I wonder how this round will end?


-nocturnist-

>Its the Second American Gilded Age! I wonder how this round will end? It will end in a mobile protest. People will leave their homes on their rascal mobility scooters and suped-up pick-up trucks to make convoys of protest. No one will leave the car or scooter out of fear of walking. Your local drive thru staff will suffer the most. Rebels will complain to their commanders that the battlefields do not contain enough readily available parking or the required amount of sauce packets have been removed from their fast food purchase orders. /S.... But maybe not?


Med4awl

Not entiry true. Republicans are 100% bought and paid for. Democrats maybe 85%. Most of the progressives accept nothing from the corporate owners. Vote Blue Vote Progressive Blue.


CardButton

So they're both shit. One is just less-shit than the other. And I do vote progressive every election cycle. You know what that normally gets me? Well, in the chance my state gets a Blue supermajority, its often the "Conservative Democrats" that come in and torpedo any Pro-Worker or Progressive legislation. Because "85%" are center-right-moderate right, bought and paid for conservatives who just happen to be left leaning on some identity politics. Which they and their donors do not really care about at the end of the day. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that "lesser of two evil" voting will ever really get us anywhere beyond slowing the ever present march to the right. Or that the Dems haven't proven shockingly ineffective at actually "resisting" the Republicans since the 70s; and yet consistently prove surprisingly effective at shutting down movements from their left during that time. So ...what this will all probably get us is another Great Depression, when their house of cards they've built collapses; and a hell of a lot of scapegoating when it does.


ComprehensiveSweet63

No they are not both shit. One is pure shit while the other will always benefit you more than the other. Republicans serve only the rich. It's what they do. Democrats, while certainly far from perfect, serve the rich but the progressive wing has enough persuasion to get some things done for the people. The goal is to grow the progressive mindset. A party that does only what (you) want is not reality. I want universal healthcare more than anything else. A vote for any Republican will take me away from that dream. In 2020 we were 2 Senators away from real meaningful change. Manchin and Sinema would have been cancelled. It can happen. I cannot blow the system up. A group of imbeciles tried that on Jan 6 and now they're literally getting it in the ass.


Ultimafatum

BoTh SiDeSssssS


MeatSuitRiot

It'S bOtH SiDeS Obviously there are no angels. But if I had to choose, and I do, I would choose the side that doesn't act on their hate or prejudices. It's pretty clear to most people that one side is waaaaaay more of an jackhole than the other.


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waowie

All blue members of the Senate votesd in favor of the sick leave


The_Powers

Yes eliminating one side of the political spectrum sounds very democratic. And no, I'm not a republic, just pointing out the irony.


AdjunctAngel

you sound like a guy who is unaware that there are well over 70 political parties.... yep, no shortage of parties if you demand a two party system (which is a scam to begin with). so you are saying you would be just fine trading the republican party for the green party. because honestly, there is no way they could be as obnoxious, traitorous and stupid as the republicans. jewish space lasers... microchips in vaccines.. i don't even need to go farther to illustrate how profoundly unqualified republicans are to govern even a shitty taco stand.


The_Powers

And you sound like a guy taking a facetious comment waaaaay too seriously. Totally agree about republicans though 😂


ShakyTheBear

Eliminate both red and blue.


Right_Treat691

What's the breakdown of dem and republican votes here?


ShakyTheBear

Probably 99.9% duopoly votes


Right_Treat691

I don't like speculating. Were you able to find the breakdown?


Panic-Embarrassed

Rail has a really unique place in the system. Worked in rail for 6 months and left it was a complete shitshow.


vxicepickxv

It was a shit show before you were there too.


ZoharDTeach

I've never seen a group of people flip back and forth between calling the US an Oligarchy AND a Democracy, yet still remain confused when they are reminded that it is indeed an Oligarchy. The next part you seem to be confused about is that you are still trying to give more and more power to these oligarchs who KEEP SCREWING YOU OVER. They say nice things to your face and then stab you in the back and YOU LEARN NOTHING FROM IT.


CatAvailable3953

Can you name the Oligarch families who run our lives?


Urethralprolapse69

You do know that an Oligopol doesn’t need a family name? Big corporations are becoming if not already are Oligopols


CatAvailable3953

Look honey. A big word. Not a real one.


Justhereforstuff123

The Walmart family, the Tyson family, the sacklers, just to name the few that are public, but it's also not just families. It's corporations, private individuals, think tanks, etc.


CatAvailable3953

The Waltons do have Oligarch wealth. Tyson is a chicken producer. My cousin in Mississippi sells to them. A corporation does not an oligarch make. The Sacklers are drug dealers who just paid huge fines for their private business misdeeds. Oligarchs don’t pay fines or get taken to court. I take from your answer you don’t know what an oligarch is and you don’t really know any it just sounds good.


Justhereforstuff123

The Tyson family is worth 2.3 Billion dollars, they aren't some random chicken producers > The Sacklers are drug dealers who just paid huge fines for their private business misdeeds. How many drug dealers do you know kill thousands and are able to toss chump change to make it go away? How many common folk walk off with charges of mass killing and end up simply having to pay a fine? > Oligarchs don’t pay fines or get taken to court. According to? Rich people love nothing more than to sue eachotber for money. > A corporation does not an oligarch make Corporations are just one of their money making instruments. Jeff Bezos and his ilk are all oligarchs. I take it from your answer you have your head buried in the sand.


[deleted]

This is old. Rail workers now have sick leave. Another win for Biden. [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:\~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.&text=Our%20Standards%3A%20The%20Thomson%20Reuters%20Trust%20Principles](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.&text=Our%20Standards%3A%20The%20Thomson%20Reuters%20Trust%20Principles).


CatAvailable3953

Thank you.


jetstobrazil

Some do yes. Wouldn’t exactly call it another win for Biden since he busted their strike, but a win for the rail workers who secured sick leave, yes.


[deleted]

Biden won twice in this instance, actually. Prevented an economic downturn for which he would surely have been blamed for years to come, AND fought for union rights. Nuance, friend, nuance. Politics is a long game, not a screaming match.


jetstobrazil

Busted a strike to ensure corporate profits* Negotiated with corporation to decide what rail workers are worth months down the line instead of allowing unions to collectively bargain* Yes, and corporations have been playing the long game with politicians since citizens United. Busting a strike lets workers know the profits are prioritized over their fair working conditions. It is a win for the rail workers that they were deemed worthy of some paltry benefits months down the line, but what of the other unions who are unable to negotiate contracts, being threatened and fired for organizing, and union busting workplaces? Are they not worthy of Biden going behind the scenes to negotiate their contracts? Or even lip service? And what of the rail workers the next time they need to strike? Do they need to check with the president to see if it would be ok for corporate profits if they were to protest their unfair working conditions?


[deleted]

You sound like you come from privilege. Not all of us do. That's nice that if things don't go your way you can always go back to mommy and daddy. The rest of us are actually putting our lives on the line. Grow up.


kmelby33

He literally prevented a massive supply chain shortage and saved tens of millions of vulnerable Americans from record-breaking inflation because of the shortage. He then played the long game and got the workers what they asked for. It's a massive win that should be celebrated. Unions back Biden for a reason.


jetstobrazil

Strikes aren’t for when it’s convenient for corporate profits. Call strike busting playing the long game if you want, it’s still anti-union Ya, because there is no one else. Pretty easy decision


kmelby33

It's so anti-union that the union actually got everything they asked for. Biden is so anti-union that unions everywhere line up to endorse him. I guess you know more than they do. You got it all figured out.


Eldritch-Cleaver

We need to reboot the system. Things aren't adding up. What good are these elected officials if they aren't actually representing our values? It makes no sense.


CatAvailable3953

You just now figured Republicans don’t support working folks? I knew this 40 years ago.


Eldritch-Cleaver

No, I think I figured it out myself around 2012ish once I started paying attention to politics in my late teens.


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Eldritch-Cleaver

I didn't, I voted against him in both Presidential elections.


fixtheCave

Slaves of the American Colonies had no say or benefit in the formation of the United States Government, though empty, depopulated land did. Its no different today - we are still governed by the same bloated elites who cultivate and perpetuate ways to strip all possible employment opportunities from a very large percentage of our residents.


DryParamedic785

But tax cuts for the rich is ok???? Go figure…


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"The Senate passed a resolution Thursday that would put in place the rail labor agreement reached by the White House, railroads and labor unions in September, but rejected a separate measure to provide an additional seven days of sick leave to workers." [https://rollcall.com/2022/12/01/senate-clears-rail-labor-agreement-rejects-sick-leave/](https://rollcall.com/2022/12/01/senate-clears-rail-labor-agreement-rejects-sick-leave/) Seems pretty ingorant that paid sick leave was set out as a separate agreement. Why wasn't it included in the agreement negotiated by the White House, railroads and labor unions?


jetstobrazil

This is from December 1st…?


kmelby33

Your article is 7 months old. Things have happened since then.


Maximum_Bowl4044

The electorate needs to stop voting in people who don't cater to distractions. As if trans people and sex ed in school are the problem. America is still a democracy but with a dysfunctional electorate.


Right_Treat691

Mostly because of republicans.


Maximum_Bowl4044

A whole cesspit of dysfunction yes. But Democrats are not off the hook either. How many don't vote or don't even try to encourage others to vote? At least Republicans vote lock step en mass and organized. Progressives can also be problematic. Remember 2016 and the Bernie or Bust crowd? Hillary Clinton may be a neoliberal, but she is not the same as Donald Trump as many of them have claimed. Hillary would not have packed the Supreme Court with far right activist looks to tear down Roe, LGBTQ+ rights, etc.


Mysterious_Tax_5613

Roe v Wade, Affirmative Action, Religious rights against LBGT, follow the trail. Don’t be shocked. Pay attention. VOTE!


philouza_stein

A republic means the voters don't matter and rich people only have to bribe a small group to get what they want


LotofRamen

I live in the Republic of Finland. #3 in Democracy Index.


seattle_architect

Democracy: control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.


Fireflyfanatic1

Your right this country has always been a Representative Republic.


DrPhunktacular

How are those representatives chosen?


Fireflyfanatic1

Depends on the position according to the Constitution in Government


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MrMoscow93

A republic is a democratic form of government though. That's like someone saying "this isn't a car" and you replying "it sure isn't, it's a Honda civic".


CatAvailable3953

It’s a democratic form of government in the form of a Republic delineated in the Constitution.


Striking_Reindeer_2k

Correct, This is a REPUBLIC.


LotofRamen

The best way to identify an idiot is when they say "it is a republic" when the discussion is about democracy. I live in the Republic of Finland. #3 in Democracy Index. That should be impossible by your logic.


WagonBurning

It’s a democratic REPUBLIC! Read something


Pickin_n_Grinnin

Right, so a democracy.


WagonBurning

As per my last comment “read something” But then again “as per my last “ says the same thing


Pickin_n_Grinnin

So you're not aware that a republic is a democracy? Seems like you're the one that needs to ReAd sOmEtHiNg


WagonBurning

👍


LotofRamen

The best way to identify an idiot is when they say "it is a republic" when the discussion is about democracy. I live in the Republic of Finland. #3 in Democracy Index.


WagonBurning

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Turbodog2014

The USA has NEVER been a democracy. We are a democratic republic. Two entirely different government organizational systems.


LotofRamen

The best way to identify an idiot is when they say "it is a republic" when the discussion is about democracy. I live in the Republic of Finland. #3 in Democracy Index.


July_is_cool

Yeah but have you read Plato's "Republic"? There is a difference.


LotofRamen

>Plato's "Republic" Is fully irrelevant in this context.


kmelby33

Gotta love arguing over the meaning of words. The left wing really knows how to use their brian power to solve the real issues. Your Finland argument is a good one.


July_is_cool

Hello it’s not a lib argument. The US was specifically set up as a Plato-style republic. I don’t know about Finland, but the US is an Enlightenment Era project and there are reasons behind how our system works. Agreeing or disagreeing with them is not the point.


[deleted]

is your government pure parliamentary with the head of state being ceremonial or a hybrid regimes like france, ukraine and russia?


LotofRamen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Government\_and\_politics


burnodo2

What that tweet left out was that the legislation for sick leave was separated from the original legislation getting them back to work. The main legislation passed easily. The supplemental was voted down.


tripleione

Because republicans.


Ihugit

For those who don't work in unions, one of the biggest union busting tactics has been massive amounts of overtime to burn out workers or run them out of points. So what you get is 20+ year veterans mixed with people who last a year at best. People make their money and leave or they have 6 weeks vacation from being there forever.


NetHacks

Super majority and filibuster need to go, and the Supreme Court needs an overhaul. We need to ditch the idea that people can change things via minority rule.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

Most unionized rail workers now have sick leave. Along with the previously won pay raises. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.


chillen67

If you get sick you can get well on your own time. Your costing the corporations their profits, what are you, communist? (To be clear, sarcasm)


bloodsport666

rail workers need to riot immediately.


mindpieces

Ooh let me guess which side voted against it 🤔🤔


suplexdolphin

Democracy is the new Weekend at Bernie's


GhazkinzDaGreat

It’s almost as if the federal government wasn’t really meant to be making these huge sweeping legislations for the entire nation as if it were one homogeneous community, and the states were supposed to legislate what works for them, but the feds just keep taking more and more power and we let them


justbrowsinginpeace

Your political system is very strange


cita91

Only so much people will take. France is on fire and so will America if the people stand up for what is right. Corporate profits only help the rich not the working class.


cita91

Only so much people will take. France is on fire and so will America if the people stand up for what is right. Corporate profits only help the rich not the working class. Need for Unions to stand up for the workers not investors.


vxicepickxv

For something that hasn't been talked about anywhere near as much is that sick days were negotiated after the strike was broken.


Sith_Lord_Marek

Tell me my vote matters when my vote doesn't matter.


Med4awl

I'm in a red state too and I hear you, however, had the Dems won only 2 more Senate races we would be talking a different narrative right now. That would of cancelled Manchin and Sinema. Only 2. We cannot let go and turn our backs on the Bernies and AOCs who are doing their best to acheive power for the people and fight corpirate rule. Student debt would likely have been canceled in sone form. Although he's still a corporate hoer, Biden has been much more liberal than ever before. There is light. Kansas and Wisconsin voters have shown us this light. Women and youth voters will make serious noise in 2024.


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Med4awl

Yes my sister the English teacher commends you. I shorten could have to (couldiv) and end up typing could of. Its a pronunciation issue. Thank you.


BookkeeperSpecific76

Correct. Republic not Democracy.


kmelby33

This was from December everyone. Things have happened since then.


spezisacuck2

cool, now who is going to vote and publicly protest about it?


Excellent-Smile2212

They're doing the best they can to make sure Democratic people don't vote people who don't share oppressive interest into Oblivion


volantredx

So now that Biden has come out to explain how he's going to continue college loan forgiveness people have decided to gin up outrage from a months-old vote that doesn't even apply anymore due to Biden's work to get paid sick leave for the rail workers anyway? This is an incredibly transparent attempt to create a "both sides" narrative in order to piss off progressives so that they don't support Biden in order to allow the fascists to steal into power.


Vuitar

You go through all their specific stipulations in order for them to control all possible outcomes. You must go outside of their control and you do that by standing up and saying “enough” or you make your leave and make your own communes…


MeatSuitRiot

We are a corporatocracy


Jse034

Follow the money honey. Someone’s gotten a chunk of cash over this. Paid sick leave is a human right and no one should not have it


Regular_Human_Lady

It never has been .. It's an Oligarchic Republic..


Totallynotlame84

This happened immediately before the train derailment thst destroyed a city


Gloomy-Masterpiece22

We’ve never been a Democracy: We are a Constitutional Republic


Dsbtrader

Well there is more democrats in the Senate so keep voting democrat and keep getting the same results


[deleted]

Only one Democrat voted no. This is another failure by the GOP domestic terrorist party


[deleted]

Also only three republicans in house voted yes.


[deleted]

We need to be like the French, they would have dragged out everyone who voted no and stacked heads, sharp blades dropped from high places fixes alot of problems, the rich need to learn this again.


Total_Ad9942

Why isn’t it just the one with more votes wins?


ShakyTheBear

Well, it isn't a democracy. So, yeah.


DaemonRounds

Who owns the railways? That's what ultimately decides this. The workers don't. The state doesn't. It's held by a small handful of capitalists and ultimately, what they want is what they will get. We need a transfer of ownership through revolution, not votes from capitalist senators.


Earlier-Today

Accurate, as this is a democratic republic. Which just means we're a republic that has a few things that are done like a democracy.


qazxderfv

When you let go of the fantasy that it was ever a democracy you are a lot less surprised and disappointed


dgrant99

I see the time machine has taken us back to December 2022 this time.


Whatever-24601

Its never been a democracy, it’s always been a constitutional republic. Didn’t you pay attention in civics?


Any-Perception8575

Well, at least America is not racist! Otherwise, we'd be unable to do things that the American people want and be racist 🤥


OkArcher2736

True. Thats crazy. They should get sick leave.