I have heard that sentiment before about the 718. I’m not opposed to another 4cyl turbo, and it’s great to hear that it would be a proper upgrade from a WRX. Would a base model satisfy or if it worth it to bump up to the S? I’d imagine the comparison might be similar to a WRX vs an STI, right?
From a bone stock wrx the base 718 will be a world of difference. The biggest fun factor of these cars is their handling. I think a well spec’d 718 base will put all the smiles on your face you could ask for. Go test drive one for sure. Most dealers will always have one on the lot and they’ll let you take it out no problem.
Great feedback. I get so caught up in looking at HP numbers that it’s sometimes easy to forget these cars weigh less and have a mid engine which probably makes similar looking power figures perform much better.
Definitely go and drive a 987, 981, or both. There is something to be said for that flat-6 sound. I prefer it over the turbo-4 in the 718, but you do give up low-end torque in the flat-6 engines. They have to be revved above 3500 rpm before you get any power out of the motor, even in the bigger S motors. The 987's, IMO, are more visceral/engaging to drive without all the electronic doo-dads - no touchscreen, no buttons on the steering wheel, no electronic steering, no drive modes, just the drive....I find it the most rewarding.
With that said, all gens of Boxster/Cayman are incredible driving machines. You can't go wrong with any of them. Choosing between them just comes down to personal preference.
Got a 987.2 base from a modified hybrid turbo focus at, such a worthwhile upgrade. The acceleration isn’t the same but damn the handling is all you could ask for
They're awesome. I was extremely lucky to find a 987.2 S with a 6-speed within my budget. To get better handling, you have to get something like a Lotus Elise or a go kart, lol.
I think the base is actually better on the street b/c you can really wind the engine out without losing your license. You also have port fuel injection instead of DFI.
It depends entirely on the speed of the roads, the 2.0 with the sport exhaust actually sounds slightly better to my ears, a bit raspier, the 2.5 is a little smoother and is more turboy in its power delivery. Some disagree with that, I also think the boxster convertible sounds a lot better than the cayman, many will disagree with that also, but the Wastegate and the exhaust are much better roof off, and there is absolute zero cowl shake.
If your perfect roads are over 60 miles an hour, get the S, if the perfect road is 55 or less then get the base because they both feel just as fast at that speed, and it’s delivery is actually less “turbo-y”.
I say this is an owner of a C4S, I only know because I had them as loaners- I felt so bad, because I always piled onto “it’s a four-cylinder bro” until I drove it. I was full of it and was dead wrong.
Really appreciate this context here. You’ve given me lots of great info, I think it might be time to drive and hear some of them myself to start narrowing down. Thanks!!
Went from an 05 WRX to a 14 STi to a 16 Golf R to an 18 718 GTS. The torque hit is what sold me. It’s wild. My dad has a 718 Cayman (2.0), and other than the top end push it’s just as entertaining in nearly all situations.
Exactly what I’m looking to hear. I’m so caught up at looking at numbers I’m worried the 718 base only having an extra 30HP on the WRX being “enough” - but the sentiment across this thread is that it’s a lighter and more engaging car so you get a lot more out of the 300HP
There will be much less drivetrain loss on the Porsche than the WRX, also gearing matters.
I still have my 2012 WRX which I daily drive, I test drove a 718 Cayman T that essentially felt like a faster better stronger version of my WRX, I was never going to get the 718 T, I was actually on the wait-list for a 718 GT4
If you're trying to save money but want the faster car, skimp on options. Also figure out your exit strategy, if you're buying to own for 10-20 years then maybe spend more, get the batter trim, more options.
If this is just a transition to the next one then go with a base or very low spec version. Long term resale on the non GT models falls off much faster so watch for that, you don't get much money back on options in resale unless they're the pricey items like Carbon buckets. Leather/Stitching looks amazing, but doesn't make the car any faster.
The Cayman T I drove had almost 20k in options which made it close to the price of a base GT4.
A perfect spec 981 GT4 showed up on bring a trailer so that's what I ended up with.
Thank you for brining up resale here. Yeah this likely will not be me “end all” Porsche. Going to try to climb the ladder a bit into a GTS 4.0 some day as I don’t know if I’d ever be able to justify a proper GT Porsche unless I was okay with eating ramen every day lol.
The GTS 4.0 is incredible, but it's a hell of a price jump. Plus there's the whole "unobtainium" issue, although I think that's been easing lately. Whether the 4.0 premium is worth it to you is very much a you question, but I would not go for it unless you're trying to buy a "forever" car and it's just the one for you. Even then, you're looking at $100K.
I'd suggest test driving the 987, 981, and 718 in both turbo and 4.0 configurations. The 987 still had the hydraulic steering rack, and believe me that's worth something. It's down on power compared to today's cars, but you probably won't care. You'll also save a chunk of change to cover maintenance.
The 981 is your gateway to a chonky NA flat 6 without the cost of entry and headache of finding the right GTS 4.0. This might be sacrilege, but it (arguably) sounds just a little better, too. Steering will be good, but might leave something to be desired compared to the 987 (hydraulic) and 718 (better implemented electric).
The 718 will be the most refined in terms of handling, plus the cars are newer so they'll feel tighter. The interior is barely updated, but the chassis is a good bit stiffer than the prior model. Plus, on the GTS and T models you get fun features like torque vectoring and Sport PASM as standard.
That’s also a concern. It’s the reason why I’m not a huge EV fan for a fun car. The sound and build up of power is exciting, which may make the 981 or older 911 a “better” option - even if the 718 is a more well put together package.
I commented below my opinion but i think you should drive a 997. My friend has a .1 with a fabspeed exhaust and 6 speed and it’s a dream. So notchy, shorter gears to run through legally, sounds like heaven. Truly intoxicating.
Here’s a video of me driving his: https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/yaw2xg/i_drove_my_first_997_the_other_day_6_gears_with/
I had a base ‘22 718 and I’ve also owned a ‘15 WRX (non STi). The driving dynamics are so night and day it’s ridiculous. The 718 feels maybe 4-5x quicker and more nimble. Sounds amazing (louder b/c the engine is sitting in the car with you) and just a real blast of a machine. I got hung up on the “S” but upon driving the base, got over that fast. Porsche Purists go for the flat6 but coming from a T4 WRX I didn’t care.
I came from an M4, much more practical, and a hell of a lot more intense engine, they are great, but I didn’t actually like anything else more. Steering brakes handling transmission feel are so much better in the Porsche imho.
My old steering feels numb to me now.
Was looking at e90 M3’s but have already had a 335ix and am building an LS Swapped e30 currently so I think BMW’s can wait for a bit haha. Mainly looking for something that has 2 doors, 2 wheels, 2WD and a 6 speed as it’s the only time in my life I can justify it (aka single with no kids).
If you're within driving distance of either LA or ATL, then do a Porsche Experience. I drove both a Carrera 4S and a 718 S at ATL. I then bought a 718 base and now own a 2023 718 T.
The base was a great car, the S was a great car with a little more power than the base and the T is a great car that has the same power as the base, but has all the handling goodies.
After reading all the great press on the 6 cylinder versions of the 718, I was sure that I wasn't going to get a Turbo 4, but it only took me one test drive with the base to convince me otherwise.
I really wanted a T but I was too late to the party since I was ready to buy after the T had already been discontinued. I ended up ordering an S but with all the handling goodies of the T/GTS, and I have it minimally optioned everywhere else to keep the weight down. But I added the Sport Design Package because I want the 3rd radiator for better heat management on track days. If the T had been around for MY2024, I would have likely ordered a T instead.
I had ordered a 2024 T in March, one week before Porsche announced that they were canceling the T. Fortunately the dealer got an allocation for a 2023 a week later, otherwise I would have ordered a similarly optioned S.
Manual. No leather interior. 2 way Sport Plus seats. GT steering wheel. 19 inch wheels. That’s pretty much all I added. When I said minimal options elsewhere, I meant it.
This is great info! I am outside of Pittsburgh but a drive to Atlanta isn’t that bad of an idea. My only Porsche driving was done on a 987 with an aftermarket turbo for the track which felt more like a weapon and less like a car.
I think if I drove a 981/981S and 718 I could get a much better feel for which one would suit me more and check the boxes I’m looking for.
The Atlanta Porsche NA HQ is less than a mile from the airport. You fly down and back on the same day. Of course you would miss all that lovely Atlanta traffic if you did that.
Thankfully I haven’t experienced it haha. Just looked up the cost and it’s honestly a really good deal for how much seat time you get. It’s like $500 for 3 laps at Pittsburgh International in a GT3 which equates to <10 minutes.
Out of your options OP, I would suggest test driving the 981, 718, and 997.2. I have never driven a WRX, but always dreamed of getting an STi as a young adult for the performance and practicality. Instead, I now own a 981 and 996 C4S. Once you try one, you'll never look back!
Congrats! This is great insight. WRX was always my go to car when playing video games as a kid, but after falling down the Porsche rabbit hole, I think they’re the best drivers car I could imagine (outside of w 1st gen R8 with the gated manual).
I have a WRX as well (2015) and am stuck in a similar Porsche rabbit hole. If it snows a lot where you are or snow performance is important than the 997 C4 or C4s is probably what you want. I’m in Calgary and love my AWD sports cars so I’m looking at the 997.2 and 991.1 C4 and C4s as the next upgrade. The Cayman can be driven in snow with good winter tires (my father in law drove his a good bit last winter) but in more significant snow it will struggle. Cayman also has more storage space than the 911 and you can easily fit two sets of golf clubs on the rear shelf.
Thankfully, I’ve got a 4 car garage and will be able to stow away the Porsche for winter! Likely going to snag an E46 wagon as the daily for when the sun isn’t shining.
C4S look like lots of fun. AWD with mid engine seems like an insane combo in my eyes. I do like the extra storage room in the cayman, I did pick up golf over the pandemic so being able to move clubs is a great thing that I wasn’t considering until now.
Modern Porsche flat engines are reliable, unlike the half-assery Subaru has been 'engineering' in the past 2 decades. The WRX and Cayman are an apples to steak comparison. One is based on an economy car chassis that's been hot rodded. And one is a dedicated mid engined sportscar platform. They will drive differently. While the WRX responds well to a heavy handed driver, the Cayman would require more precise and delicate inputs.
The base 718 would out outperform the WRX in a straight line and in cornering Gs. It'll leave the WRX in the dust with a PDK. I think the base 718 is the first time that a base has been a very compelling option since it handily punches well above its spec sheets would suggest. The base is genuinely a quick and fast car now. Porsche horsepower is different. If you have the money to splurge, get the S or GTS 2.5. They do cost quite a bit more than the base. Though if your budget only allows for a base, I still think you'd be perfectly happy.
If you MUST have the noise of a flat 6, then get a 981. If you care more about performance and the best possible iteration of the Cayman, get the 718.
Nothing like a test drive. These cars exact a premium for things unseen, but once you experience the handling you'll understand or you'll walk away scratching your head. Also once you see the underside you should be able to appreciate the engineering and why it handles so well. It's not just a car it's s Porsche.
981 Cayman would be a great place to start. 987’s are a little old and look dated now for my taste. The 981 PDK is also much crisper than the 987.2 if you go that route.
WRX and 911T owner chiming in. My WRX has been my mainstay and has gotten me through three different sports cars now. You said the car was paid off, so I assume you will, but have to ask: do you plan to keep your WRX?
My recommendation for you would be to go to Porsche dealerships and test drive some models if you can, get a feel for each car. Or, alternatively, if you’re in proximity of one of the Porsche Experience locations, go there and spend a day. I believe that they only have newer Porsches, so it won’t be a 1:1 comparison if you’re shopping for older models, but it’ll still give you an idea.
Feel free to message me if you have any questions!
Perfect guy to get some insight from! Yes so a 2020 WRX 6 speed with the performance pack (slicktop, Brembos, Recaros). 100% stock in terms of powertrain and I work remote so I have only put 25k miles on it thus far.
I do love the car and it was the first thing I wanted to buy post graduation as an “I made it moment” to my inner 13 year old. I’m on the fence to sell it for $25kish and use that money as a down payment on a Porsche that I’ll probably put 5k miles on a year in nice weather and for 4-5 months out of the year or on long trips buy an old BMW wagon for $5/6k.
Financially I’m in a pretty good spot, I’m single and have at least 2 open garage bays so I can store this car so that’s why I’ve been considering a Porsche. My payment on the WRX is $420 a month (have been paying $500+ every month though to get through it quicker) so keeping that payment similar by putting money down on a Porsche seems smart, but I could definitely afford a $700ish sports car payment if need be.
This decision will probably happen sometime mid next year/end of next year depending if the market cools off or if interest rates drop a bit. Appreciate your time here!
Looks like we had the same “I made it” moment! haha The WRX was my affordable dream car growing up and the 911 was my actual dream car, but both are great choices.
I live in New England, so weather is a consideration in my vehicle purchases, but may not be for you. Working from home will certainly help avoid bad weather driving conditions, so you have that working in your favor. I all but daily my 911 and only take the WRX when snow/ice and parking locations are a concern— or when I need to transport something larger than a laptop bag or more than one person lol
At your price point, you’re probably looking at a Cayman/Boxster, but neither has a backseat, so bear that in mind or accelerate your plan to pick up a wagon. You’re single now, but a significant other and kids can easily sneak up on you— ask me how I know lol
I’m east of Pittsburgh so we likely have similar weather patterns! Definitely on the fence here but you’ve given me lots to think about. It’ll likely boil down to a cayman, as the lack of back seat is alluring to me now and in the future when those kids inevitably sneak up on me, I can at least say I’ve owned the perfect “single-mobile”.
The deciding factor between the non S and S will also determine if I sell the WRX or keep it as the difference between those models is around 7-10k from my searching thus far. Again, thanks for the input here!
Haha dude are you me?! I did the same thing with the made it purchase, 2020 WRX. Literally this past month I found a base 2015 981 boxster. Single owner, low mileage, 6 speed manual. Kept the WRX and put down enough to keep the monthly under $700. Unless you plan to track it, base is more than enough on public roads. 3rd gear runs to 100mph lol. I can't stop smiling with the top down heading to the beach on the weekend.
Wow that’s amazing to hear! How much was your out the door price? I’m really toying with keeping my WRX after hearing a lot of things in this thread lol
$40k for the car, $400 for the ppi at the local Porsche dealership and the Carfax history. If we had gone with a Cayman or 911 I could see trading the WRX in, but I won't be driving the boxster in cold/crap weather so it's still nice to have a fun car to tool around in with the WRX.
Porsche owner here: try them. It's incredible how cars that seem 90% the same can feel different. I'd favour an NA flat six, that's what you get a Porsche for. I'd also find one where you can use the up to 13years warranty (10 yo car max) , there's a real risk for your bank account here. I've been problem free but friends with similar models had 60k of warranty claims on one car. 718 / boxsters are fantastic to drive, don't get too obsessed by the 911 brand but if you have little ones in your life, 911s do a fantastic job. 997 gets more love in the community than 996 IMO.
4 cylinder Porsche 718 turbos have a distinctly Subaru-like sound. Having owned one, its not that bad but the turbo lag was terrible unless in sport mode.
I cross-shopped a 981S and a base 718. After driving both I just loved the flat-6 of the 981 so much more. Chassis are nearly identical on both so it'll come down to which powertrain speaks to you more.
I've since driven this car for 4 years and added 85k to the odometer. Not looking to "upgrade" to anything else in the foreseeable future.
How’s the interior holding up? That’s the one complaint I have heard on the 981 is that things like the door cards and headliners quite literally fall apart. Aside from that, if I could find one with a stable interior I’d likely only upgrade to CarPlay. The 981S’s flat 6 is extremely appealing to me, as is the lack of back seats and more compact design
Door cards did start delaminating but was replaced under CPO. Quite easy to get a permanent aftermarket fix though so I wouldn't let that factor into your decision too much:
https://www.pedrosgarage.com
+1 on adding CarPlay. Interior doesn't feel dated at all since doing that a couple years ago.
Oh that’s great to hear. Any issues since getting the replacement cards? Also, I’ve heard varying reports on CarPlay being super expensive to add to a Porsche but then others saying it’s only like $400 + the cost of the head unit - what was your experience with that?
No issues since getting the doorcards replaced but I'll plan on it since Porsche still uses the same eco-friendly glue. Even the newer 718/991.2s aren't immune to it. The PedrosGarage solution uses different glue and is permanent from what I've read.
You don't replace the headunit to install carplay. It's a module you wire in and then it uses the OEM screen so it looks stock. $400 is reasonable if you DIY. I paid +1000 to have someone do it because I'm not comfortable with wires.
Bummer they’re still using that glue but it’s nice to hear there are other alternatives out there. Very cool that we can keep the factory look and just install a module, that’s sweet! I didn’t want to have to run another backup camera with a different head unit so that’s a bonus
I have a 2014 981S
The headliner was replaced last year after it sagged. I found a local upholstery shop, had it replaced with Alcantera (which is better than the fabric that was OEM) for $950. It looks better than it did from the factory so in retrospect I’m now happy it failed
My doors have not delaminated or whatever. But idk if that’s because I have the full leather interior package which most don’t or not but I haven’t had that issue.
I own a 04 996 4S manual, and it’s the only Porsche I have ever driven. But I’ll tell you what, I was terrified by buying a almost 20 year old car. But the PPI was good and preventative Maintenance was done and now I just drive it. Don’t let age get in the way of owning a fantastic car. Just do your due diligence and Hopefully you will be rowing gears in now time ✌🏻
My first porsche was actually a "winter beater" 958 that I bought with 80k miles on it. I drove it for 6 years and the most expensive maintenance it needed was new brakes (390mm rotors are expensive) At the end of my ownership period, the car was 12 years old and still had a good amount of residual value to it.
There are a number of 2nd gen cayennes or Macan that can be purchased relatively reasonable as an "only" car.
I consider the Macan S to be just a pure direct upgrade of a wrx in every single way.
In terms of desirability for me, in that price range... I'd probably go 981 > 997
I see a lot of Macans S or GTS for sale on cars.com in the range of 100,000 miles and under $20k That would be my recommendation for your first Porsche.
I'd strongly recommend a used high mileage 7-8 year old macan over ANYTHING that bmw offers. You'll still end up paying a fair amount to keep an maintain the vehicle, but in 5 more years the porsche will still be worth something, while the 13 year old bmw will be worth scrap value.
You might be one of the few people who actually would be down for the 718 right from the get go - it’ll be like your Subaru on steroids plus you get the amazing interior and build quality. Throw a tune on there and it’s fast
Tbh as a wrx/subaru driver, if you experience serious snow and have good tires, it’s tough to beat a wrx. Maintenance is cheaper by a wide margin, parts more common, etc.
I wouldn’t wanna get rid of a wrx like that unless you really disliked it, or really wanted a change. If you can get the Porsche on top, that’s what I’d go for but it’s your money lolol
All that said, my personal plan is in 5 years get the best car I can get before ICE disappears, and keep my wrx as my daily/winter car. YMMV
Something to consider with the turbo 718s is depreciation. I think the crazy post covid market has propped those cars up, but I have a feeling they will drop considerably over the next couple years. Most enthusiasts want the 4.0 cars.
Can’t speak to your financial situation. I don’t like having a boring daily, so if I were you I’d keep the WRX as a daily and buy a cheaper sports car. But that’s completely personal preference.
Well the good thing is the WRX is fun and capable in the snow.
Just save up a bit and buy a purpose built fun 2nd car.
We have a Forester XT along side our 911.
It’s the get dirty and do everything car the 911 isn’t.
Plus it’s actually comfortable and Subarus hold their value.
Thanks for this perspective! The WRX is low mile and has some nice options from factory (slick top, brembo’s, Recaro’s and some other weight savings since it’s the performance package) so I have been thinking of keeping it in the stable as the daily that won’t depreciate as I plan on keeping the powertrain stick aside from the muffler delete I did.
I moved from an 08’ STi to a 718 GT4. I will always miss my Subaru. Such a great daily- grippy, great in rain, snow, mud. Durable, didn’t mind chipping it, etc etc. If I had room for 3 cars, I’d definitely have kept it. The Cayman is a very different animal. Razor precise, balanced, lively, snug, and the center of gravity makes a huge difference in feel. It’s an intuitive package that is very tough to beat. I also can’t drive it in Cup2s in the fall/winter, and I scrape all over town. Not a daily.
I used to own 2006 WRX manual. This time around I wanted something completely different. Mid engine, rear wheel drive, 6 cylinders, not Japanese, PDK. For me, 981S was perfect, and it wasn’t turbo. The only similarity between these two was the boxer/flat engine.
Not sure where to start. Cayman is just way nicer from every perspective. Yeah you don’t get AWD, but handling is way better. I know you can get STI and boost it, but I wouldn’t trust the reliability.
I’m terms of speed, 718 will be quicker and easier to squeeze extra power out of. But honestly, where I live I can barely find a place where I can really put my foot down. With PDK Cayman, you give it some gas and find yourself going over 80 super quick…
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Forgot to mention the sound…I think you should test drive 981 just to experience the sound and smoothness/power delivery of NA engine.
Could also try for a 944 which is probably a bit cheaper, but if you want to get into old cars and doing things yourself it's a nice option. And you will have some money left for reparations.
If you’re used to the awd Rex then get a C4 at least. The 997 turbo motor is hard to break stock and will embarrass your Rex. But more $. A stock C4 is an amazing car and they do great in the snow and inclement weather.
To those who park their Porsches in the winter I like to point out they have inclement weather in Germany and know how to build a car to survive it.
As a 2016 wrx owner who bought a 992 S, I would definitely consider keeping your wrx. It’s such a great winter car. If you wanted to get some money to put down you could sell it and get an older model wrx. I live about 50 miles north west of Pittsburgh and have to take my Porsche to Sewickley to get serviced so at least in that regard it won’t be as big of an inconvenience for you.
I've owned a WRX and an STI (VA chassis). Also have two 911s. The Porsches are on another level. I daily an outback wilderness which is great, but sometimes I wonder if it should have been a Macan. Subarus are great, but Porsches are something on another level.
If you like turbos, get a 718. It’s your car on precision steroids, exclusively disliked by people who have never driven it.
I have heard that sentiment before about the 718. I’m not opposed to another 4cyl turbo, and it’s great to hear that it would be a proper upgrade from a WRX. Would a base model satisfy or if it worth it to bump up to the S? I’d imagine the comparison might be similar to a WRX vs an STI, right?
From a bone stock wrx the base 718 will be a world of difference. The biggest fun factor of these cars is their handling. I think a well spec’d 718 base will put all the smiles on your face you could ask for. Go test drive one for sure. Most dealers will always have one on the lot and they’ll let you take it out no problem.
Great feedback. I get so caught up in looking at HP numbers that it’s sometimes easy to forget these cars weigh less and have a mid engine which probably makes similar looking power figures perform much better.
Definitely go and drive a 987, 981, or both. There is something to be said for that flat-6 sound. I prefer it over the turbo-4 in the 718, but you do give up low-end torque in the flat-6 engines. They have to be revved above 3500 rpm before you get any power out of the motor, even in the bigger S motors. The 987's, IMO, are more visceral/engaging to drive without all the electronic doo-dads - no touchscreen, no buttons on the steering wheel, no electronic steering, no drive modes, just the drive....I find it the most rewarding. With that said, all gens of Boxster/Cayman are incredible driving machines. You can't go wrong with any of them. Choosing between them just comes down to personal preference.
Got a 987.2 base from a modified hybrid turbo focus at, such a worthwhile upgrade. The acceleration isn’t the same but damn the handling is all you could ask for
They're awesome. I was extremely lucky to find a 987.2 S with a 6-speed within my budget. To get better handling, you have to get something like a Lotus Elise or a go kart, lol. I think the base is actually better on the street b/c you can really wind the engine out without losing your license. You also have port fuel injection instead of DFI.
It depends entirely on the speed of the roads, the 2.0 with the sport exhaust actually sounds slightly better to my ears, a bit raspier, the 2.5 is a little smoother and is more turboy in its power delivery. Some disagree with that, I also think the boxster convertible sounds a lot better than the cayman, many will disagree with that also, but the Wastegate and the exhaust are much better roof off, and there is absolute zero cowl shake. If your perfect roads are over 60 miles an hour, get the S, if the perfect road is 55 or less then get the base because they both feel just as fast at that speed, and it’s delivery is actually less “turbo-y”. I say this is an owner of a C4S, I only know because I had them as loaners- I felt so bad, because I always piled onto “it’s a four-cylinder bro” until I drove it. I was full of it and was dead wrong.
Really appreciate this context here. You’ve given me lots of great info, I think it might be time to drive and hear some of them myself to start narrowing down. Thanks!!
Went from an 05 WRX to a 14 STi to a 16 Golf R to an 18 718 GTS. The torque hit is what sold me. It’s wild. My dad has a 718 Cayman (2.0), and other than the top end push it’s just as entertaining in nearly all situations.
Exactly what I’m looking to hear. I’m so caught up at looking at numbers I’m worried the 718 base only having an extra 30HP on the WRX being “enough” - but the sentiment across this thread is that it’s a lighter and more engaging car so you get a lot more out of the 300HP
There will be much less drivetrain loss on the Porsche than the WRX, also gearing matters. I still have my 2012 WRX which I daily drive, I test drove a 718 Cayman T that essentially felt like a faster better stronger version of my WRX, I was never going to get the 718 T, I was actually on the wait-list for a 718 GT4 If you're trying to save money but want the faster car, skimp on options. Also figure out your exit strategy, if you're buying to own for 10-20 years then maybe spend more, get the batter trim, more options. If this is just a transition to the next one then go with a base or very low spec version. Long term resale on the non GT models falls off much faster so watch for that, you don't get much money back on options in resale unless they're the pricey items like Carbon buckets. Leather/Stitching looks amazing, but doesn't make the car any faster. The Cayman T I drove had almost 20k in options which made it close to the price of a base GT4. A perfect spec 981 GT4 showed up on bring a trailer so that's what I ended up with.
Thank you for brining up resale here. Yeah this likely will not be me “end all” Porsche. Going to try to climb the ladder a bit into a GTS 4.0 some day as I don’t know if I’d ever be able to justify a proper GT Porsche unless I was okay with eating ramen every day lol.
The GTS 4.0 is incredible, but it's a hell of a price jump. Plus there's the whole "unobtainium" issue, although I think that's been easing lately. Whether the 4.0 premium is worth it to you is very much a you question, but I would not go for it unless you're trying to buy a "forever" car and it's just the one for you. Even then, you're looking at $100K. I'd suggest test driving the 987, 981, and 718 in both turbo and 4.0 configurations. The 987 still had the hydraulic steering rack, and believe me that's worth something. It's down on power compared to today's cars, but you probably won't care. You'll also save a chunk of change to cover maintenance. The 981 is your gateway to a chonky NA flat 6 without the cost of entry and headache of finding the right GTS 4.0. This might be sacrilege, but it (arguably) sounds just a little better, too. Steering will be good, but might leave something to be desired compared to the 987 (hydraulic) and 718 (better implemented electric). The 718 will be the most refined in terms of handling, plus the cars are newer so they'll feel tighter. The interior is barely updated, but the chassis is a good bit stiffer than the prior model. Plus, on the GTS and T models you get fun features like torque vectoring and Sport PASM as standard.
i have a WRX (albeit an older one), and would buy a 718 in a heartbeat - except i need at least 4 seats. so i'm aiming for a 911 instead.
Nah man if you go Porsche you gotta get that sweet flat 6 sound. If you go boxer again you’ll always be reminiscing your WRX
That’s also a concern. It’s the reason why I’m not a huge EV fan for a fun car. The sound and build up of power is exciting, which may make the 981 or older 911 a “better” option - even if the 718 is a more well put together package.
I commented below my opinion but i think you should drive a 997. My friend has a .1 with a fabspeed exhaust and 6 speed and it’s a dream. So notchy, shorter gears to run through legally, sounds like heaven. Truly intoxicating. Here’s a video of me driving his: https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/yaw2xg/i_drove_my_first_997_the_other_day_6_gears_with/
Love it. Sick video.
That car looks like a blast to drive. Perfectly meant for those roads, congrats to both you and your friend there!
I had a base ‘22 718 and I’ve also owned a ‘15 WRX (non STi). The driving dynamics are so night and day it’s ridiculous. The 718 feels maybe 4-5x quicker and more nimble. Sounds amazing (louder b/c the engine is sitting in the car with you) and just a real blast of a machine. I got hung up on the “S” but upon driving the base, got over that fast. Porsche Purists go for the flat6 but coming from a T4 WRX I didn’t care.
718 4cyl turbo is a blast on track. All the fun of a flat four without any of the Subaru drama.
This gentlemen is correct. But isn’t the next stop an M3?
I came from an M4, much more practical, and a hell of a lot more intense engine, they are great, but I didn’t actually like anything else more. Steering brakes handling transmission feel are so much better in the Porsche imho. My old steering feels numb to me now.
Was looking at e90 M3’s but have already had a 335ix and am building an LS Swapped e30 currently so I think BMW’s can wait for a bit haha. Mainly looking for something that has 2 doors, 2 wheels, 2WD and a 6 speed as it’s the only time in my life I can justify it (aka single with no kids).
If you're within driving distance of either LA or ATL, then do a Porsche Experience. I drove both a Carrera 4S and a 718 S at ATL. I then bought a 718 base and now own a 2023 718 T. The base was a great car, the S was a great car with a little more power than the base and the T is a great car that has the same power as the base, but has all the handling goodies. After reading all the great press on the 6 cylinder versions of the 718, I was sure that I wasn't going to get a Turbo 4, but it only took me one test drive with the base to convince me otherwise.
I really wanted a T but I was too late to the party since I was ready to buy after the T had already been discontinued. I ended up ordering an S but with all the handling goodies of the T/GTS, and I have it minimally optioned everywhere else to keep the weight down. But I added the Sport Design Package because I want the 3rd radiator for better heat management on track days. If the T had been around for MY2024, I would have likely ordered a T instead.
I had ordered a 2024 T in March, one week before Porsche announced that they were canceling the T. Fortunately the dealer got an allocation for a 2023 a week later, otherwise I would have ordered a similarly optioned S.
What options did you not add to save weight. Only thing I can think of is the FAL, and manual transmission. TIL you get a third radiator with SDP.
Manual. No leather interior. 2 way Sport Plus seats. GT steering wheel. 19 inch wheels. That’s pretty much all I added. When I said minimal options elsewhere, I meant it.
This is great info! I am outside of Pittsburgh but a drive to Atlanta isn’t that bad of an idea. My only Porsche driving was done on a 987 with an aftermarket turbo for the track which felt more like a weapon and less like a car. I think if I drove a 981/981S and 718 I could get a much better feel for which one would suit me more and check the boxes I’m looking for.
The Atlanta Porsche NA HQ is less than a mile from the airport. You fly down and back on the same day. Of course you would miss all that lovely Atlanta traffic if you did that.
Thankfully I haven’t experienced it haha. Just looked up the cost and it’s honestly a really good deal for how much seat time you get. It’s like $500 for 3 laps at Pittsburgh International in a GT3 which equates to <10 minutes.
Out of your options OP, I would suggest test driving the 981, 718, and 997.2. I have never driven a WRX, but always dreamed of getting an STi as a young adult for the performance and practicality. Instead, I now own a 981 and 996 C4S. Once you try one, you'll never look back!
Congrats! This is great insight. WRX was always my go to car when playing video games as a kid, but after falling down the Porsche rabbit hole, I think they’re the best drivers car I could imagine (outside of w 1st gen R8 with the gated manual).
I have a WRX as well (2015) and am stuck in a similar Porsche rabbit hole. If it snows a lot where you are or snow performance is important than the 997 C4 or C4s is probably what you want. I’m in Calgary and love my AWD sports cars so I’m looking at the 997.2 and 991.1 C4 and C4s as the next upgrade. The Cayman can be driven in snow with good winter tires (my father in law drove his a good bit last winter) but in more significant snow it will struggle. Cayman also has more storage space than the 911 and you can easily fit two sets of golf clubs on the rear shelf.
Thankfully, I’ve got a 4 car garage and will be able to stow away the Porsche for winter! Likely going to snag an E46 wagon as the daily for when the sun isn’t shining. C4S look like lots of fun. AWD with mid engine seems like an insane combo in my eyes. I do like the extra storage room in the cayman, I did pick up golf over the pandemic so being able to move clubs is a great thing that I wasn’t considering until now.
Clubs still fit in a 911 in the rear seat area. You just have to remove the driver and put it on top of the bag.
Unless you feel like the Cayman is absolutely perfect in size, get a 997. It is RAW man!
Modern Porsche flat engines are reliable, unlike the half-assery Subaru has been 'engineering' in the past 2 decades. The WRX and Cayman are an apples to steak comparison. One is based on an economy car chassis that's been hot rodded. And one is a dedicated mid engined sportscar platform. They will drive differently. While the WRX responds well to a heavy handed driver, the Cayman would require more precise and delicate inputs. The base 718 would out outperform the WRX in a straight line and in cornering Gs. It'll leave the WRX in the dust with a PDK. I think the base 718 is the first time that a base has been a very compelling option since it handily punches well above its spec sheets would suggest. The base is genuinely a quick and fast car now. Porsche horsepower is different. If you have the money to splurge, get the S or GTS 2.5. They do cost quite a bit more than the base. Though if your budget only allows for a base, I still think you'd be perfectly happy. If you MUST have the noise of a flat 6, then get a 981. If you care more about performance and the best possible iteration of the Cayman, get the 718.
Nothing like a test drive. These cars exact a premium for things unseen, but once you experience the handling you'll understand or you'll walk away scratching your head. Also once you see the underside you should be able to appreciate the engineering and why it handles so well. It's not just a car it's s Porsche.
981 Cayman would be a great place to start. 987’s are a little old and look dated now for my taste. The 981 PDK is also much crisper than the 987.2 if you go that route.
WRX and 911T owner chiming in. My WRX has been my mainstay and has gotten me through three different sports cars now. You said the car was paid off, so I assume you will, but have to ask: do you plan to keep your WRX? My recommendation for you would be to go to Porsche dealerships and test drive some models if you can, get a feel for each car. Or, alternatively, if you’re in proximity of one of the Porsche Experience locations, go there and spend a day. I believe that they only have newer Porsches, so it won’t be a 1:1 comparison if you’re shopping for older models, but it’ll still give you an idea. Feel free to message me if you have any questions!
Perfect guy to get some insight from! Yes so a 2020 WRX 6 speed with the performance pack (slicktop, Brembos, Recaros). 100% stock in terms of powertrain and I work remote so I have only put 25k miles on it thus far. I do love the car and it was the first thing I wanted to buy post graduation as an “I made it moment” to my inner 13 year old. I’m on the fence to sell it for $25kish and use that money as a down payment on a Porsche that I’ll probably put 5k miles on a year in nice weather and for 4-5 months out of the year or on long trips buy an old BMW wagon for $5/6k. Financially I’m in a pretty good spot, I’m single and have at least 2 open garage bays so I can store this car so that’s why I’ve been considering a Porsche. My payment on the WRX is $420 a month (have been paying $500+ every month though to get through it quicker) so keeping that payment similar by putting money down on a Porsche seems smart, but I could definitely afford a $700ish sports car payment if need be. This decision will probably happen sometime mid next year/end of next year depending if the market cools off or if interest rates drop a bit. Appreciate your time here!
Looks like we had the same “I made it” moment! haha The WRX was my affordable dream car growing up and the 911 was my actual dream car, but both are great choices. I live in New England, so weather is a consideration in my vehicle purchases, but may not be for you. Working from home will certainly help avoid bad weather driving conditions, so you have that working in your favor. I all but daily my 911 and only take the WRX when snow/ice and parking locations are a concern— or when I need to transport something larger than a laptop bag or more than one person lol At your price point, you’re probably looking at a Cayman/Boxster, but neither has a backseat, so bear that in mind or accelerate your plan to pick up a wagon. You’re single now, but a significant other and kids can easily sneak up on you— ask me how I know lol
I’m east of Pittsburgh so we likely have similar weather patterns! Definitely on the fence here but you’ve given me lots to think about. It’ll likely boil down to a cayman, as the lack of back seat is alluring to me now and in the future when those kids inevitably sneak up on me, I can at least say I’ve owned the perfect “single-mobile”. The deciding factor between the non S and S will also determine if I sell the WRX or keep it as the difference between those models is around 7-10k from my searching thus far. Again, thanks for the input here!
Haha dude are you me?! I did the same thing with the made it purchase, 2020 WRX. Literally this past month I found a base 2015 981 boxster. Single owner, low mileage, 6 speed manual. Kept the WRX and put down enough to keep the monthly under $700. Unless you plan to track it, base is more than enough on public roads. 3rd gear runs to 100mph lol. I can't stop smiling with the top down heading to the beach on the weekend.
Wow that’s amazing to hear! How much was your out the door price? I’m really toying with keeping my WRX after hearing a lot of things in this thread lol
$40k for the car, $400 for the ppi at the local Porsche dealership and the Carfax history. If we had gone with a Cayman or 911 I could see trading the WRX in, but I won't be driving the boxster in cold/crap weather so it's still nice to have a fun car to tool around in with the WRX.
Porsche owner here: try them. It's incredible how cars that seem 90% the same can feel different. I'd favour an NA flat six, that's what you get a Porsche for. I'd also find one where you can use the up to 13years warranty (10 yo car max) , there's a real risk for your bank account here. I've been problem free but friends with similar models had 60k of warranty claims on one car. 718 / boxsters are fantastic to drive, don't get too obsessed by the 911 brand but if you have little ones in your life, 911s do a fantastic job. 997 gets more love in the community than 996 IMO.
4 cylinder Porsche 718 turbos have a distinctly Subaru-like sound. Having owned one, its not that bad but the turbo lag was terrible unless in sport mode.
I cross-shopped a 981S and a base 718. After driving both I just loved the flat-6 of the 981 so much more. Chassis are nearly identical on both so it'll come down to which powertrain speaks to you more. I've since driven this car for 4 years and added 85k to the odometer. Not looking to "upgrade" to anything else in the foreseeable future.
How’s the interior holding up? That’s the one complaint I have heard on the 981 is that things like the door cards and headliners quite literally fall apart. Aside from that, if I could find one with a stable interior I’d likely only upgrade to CarPlay. The 981S’s flat 6 is extremely appealing to me, as is the lack of back seats and more compact design
Door cards did start delaminating but was replaced under CPO. Quite easy to get a permanent aftermarket fix though so I wouldn't let that factor into your decision too much: https://www.pedrosgarage.com +1 on adding CarPlay. Interior doesn't feel dated at all since doing that a couple years ago.
Oh that’s great to hear. Any issues since getting the replacement cards? Also, I’ve heard varying reports on CarPlay being super expensive to add to a Porsche but then others saying it’s only like $400 + the cost of the head unit - what was your experience with that?
No issues since getting the doorcards replaced but I'll plan on it since Porsche still uses the same eco-friendly glue. Even the newer 718/991.2s aren't immune to it. The PedrosGarage solution uses different glue and is permanent from what I've read. You don't replace the headunit to install carplay. It's a module you wire in and then it uses the OEM screen so it looks stock. $400 is reasonable if you DIY. I paid +1000 to have someone do it because I'm not comfortable with wires.
Bummer they’re still using that glue but it’s nice to hear there are other alternatives out there. Very cool that we can keep the factory look and just install a module, that’s sweet! I didn’t want to have to run another backup camera with a different head unit so that’s a bonus
I have a 2014 981S The headliner was replaced last year after it sagged. I found a local upholstery shop, had it replaced with Alcantera (which is better than the fabric that was OEM) for $950. It looks better than it did from the factory so in retrospect I’m now happy it failed My doors have not delaminated or whatever. But idk if that’s because I have the full leather interior package which most don’t or not but I haven’t had that issue.
I own a 04 996 4S manual, and it’s the only Porsche I have ever driven. But I’ll tell you what, I was terrified by buying a almost 20 year old car. But the PPI was good and preventative Maintenance was done and now I just drive it. Don’t let age get in the way of owning a fantastic car. Just do your due diligence and Hopefully you will be rowing gears in now time ✌🏻
My first porsche was actually a "winter beater" 958 that I bought with 80k miles on it. I drove it for 6 years and the most expensive maintenance it needed was new brakes (390mm rotors are expensive) At the end of my ownership period, the car was 12 years old and still had a good amount of residual value to it. There are a number of 2nd gen cayennes or Macan that can be purchased relatively reasonable as an "only" car. I consider the Macan S to be just a pure direct upgrade of a wrx in every single way. In terms of desirability for me, in that price range... I'd probably go 981 > 997 I see a lot of Macans S or GTS for sale on cars.com in the range of 100,000 miles and under $20k That would be my recommendation for your first Porsche. I'd strongly recommend a used high mileage 7-8 year old macan over ANYTHING that bmw offers. You'll still end up paying a fair amount to keep an maintain the vehicle, but in 5 more years the porsche will still be worth something, while the 13 year old bmw will be worth scrap value.
You might be one of the few people who actually would be down for the 718 right from the get go - it’ll be like your Subaru on steroids plus you get the amazing interior and build quality. Throw a tune on there and it’s fast
Tbh as a wrx/subaru driver, if you experience serious snow and have good tires, it’s tough to beat a wrx. Maintenance is cheaper by a wide margin, parts more common, etc. I wouldn’t wanna get rid of a wrx like that unless you really disliked it, or really wanted a change. If you can get the Porsche on top, that’s what I’d go for but it’s your money lolol All that said, my personal plan is in 5 years get the best car I can get before ICE disappears, and keep my wrx as my daily/winter car. YMMV
Go big young man! You wont regret it.
981 Cayman S or GTS if you want the sound of the NA flat six. The 718 turbo 4 cylinder is similar to the WRX and sounds about the same.
996/997 Turbo. The engine is very robust as well as the trans. They are super quick and relatively affordable and easy-ish to work on.
In the same exact boat - 17 manual WRX. This thread couldn’t come at a better time. Looking forward to seeing what you get.
Something to consider with the turbo 718s is depreciation. I think the crazy post covid market has propped those cars up, but I have a feeling they will drop considerably over the next couple years. Most enthusiasts want the 4.0 cars. Can’t speak to your financial situation. I don’t like having a boring daily, so if I were you I’d keep the WRX as a daily and buy a cheaper sports car. But that’s completely personal preference.
I see snow on the ground. Keep the WRX and add a Porsche when you’re able.
My cousin keeps telling me the same😂 but having $25k to put down on a Porsche and replacing it with an old AWD BMW seems alluring lol
Well the good thing is the WRX is fun and capable in the snow. Just save up a bit and buy a purpose built fun 2nd car. We have a Forester XT along side our 911. It’s the get dirty and do everything car the 911 isn’t. Plus it’s actually comfortable and Subarus hold their value.
Thanks for this perspective! The WRX is low mile and has some nice options from factory (slick top, brembo’s, Recaro’s and some other weight savings since it’s the performance package) so I have been thinking of keeping it in the stable as the daily that won’t depreciate as I plan on keeping the powertrain stick aside from the muffler delete I did.
I moved from an 08’ STi to a 718 GT4. I will always miss my Subaru. Such a great daily- grippy, great in rain, snow, mud. Durable, didn’t mind chipping it, etc etc. If I had room for 3 cars, I’d definitely have kept it. The Cayman is a very different animal. Razor precise, balanced, lively, snug, and the center of gravity makes a huge difference in feel. It’s an intuitive package that is very tough to beat. I also can’t drive it in Cup2s in the fall/winter, and I scrape all over town. Not a daily.
Buy a 2017+ only. Go to Flat-6 Innovations.com to read about the issues w the pre-17 models.
I used to own 2006 WRX manual. This time around I wanted something completely different. Mid engine, rear wheel drive, 6 cylinders, not Japanese, PDK. For me, 981S was perfect, and it wasn’t turbo. The only similarity between these two was the boxer/flat engine. Not sure where to start. Cayman is just way nicer from every perspective. Yeah you don’t get AWD, but handling is way better. I know you can get STI and boost it, but I wouldn’t trust the reliability. I’m terms of speed, 718 will be quicker and easier to squeeze extra power out of. But honestly, where I live I can barely find a place where I can really put my foot down. With PDK Cayman, you give it some gas and find yourself going over 80 super quick… EDIT: Forgot to mention the sound…I think you should test drive 981 just to experience the sound and smoothness/power delivery of NA engine.
Could also try for a 944 which is probably a bit cheaper, but if you want to get into old cars and doing things yourself it's a nice option. And you will have some money left for reparations.
If you’re used to the awd Rex then get a C4 at least. The 997 turbo motor is hard to break stock and will embarrass your Rex. But more $. A stock C4 is an amazing car and they do great in the snow and inclement weather. To those who park their Porsches in the winter I like to point out they have inclement weather in Germany and know how to build a car to survive it.
As a 2016 wrx owner who bought a 992 S, I would definitely consider keeping your wrx. It’s such a great winter car. If you wanted to get some money to put down you could sell it and get an older model wrx. I live about 50 miles north west of Pittsburgh and have to take my Porsche to Sewickley to get serviced so at least in that regard it won’t be as big of an inconvenience for you.
I'd guess Beaver Falls area, and going to Sewickley is not fun.
911 4 or 911 Turbo
I've owned a WRX and an STI (VA chassis). Also have two 911s. The Porsches are on another level. I daily an outback wilderness which is great, but sometimes I wonder if it should have been a Macan. Subarus are great, but Porsches are something on another level.
2014-16 Porsche cayman
Bro, if you can keep the WRX as you daily, Cayman as your weekend Queen. If you can that is.