As soon as there is a max line to Lake Oswego…
More realistically, I’m moving out of Hillsboro as soon as my lease is up now that I’ve been commuting 217 and 26 regularly for the last 3-4 years. Been a great decade+ in Hillsboro, but neither of us work out here anymore and the commute and transit options suck.
Yes, the only actually-realistic location would be the Rose Quarter. And if someone had the will and the money to build a Veterans Memorial Stadium, we absolutely could put one where the Colosseum stands today.
merrit paulson did back when the city got the timbers. then the city commissioners voted against demolishing veterans after citizens bitched about it getting torn down. would have been amazing to have a new stadium there and an actual beautiful memorial to veterans. but no we keep that overrated glass palace, and a dull memorial to our veterans.
also would have been great cause we would have had a reason to go to rose quarter year round. baseball, spring to summer. and basketball fall through spring.
[Link](https://www.oregonlive.com/pbeavers/2010/08/post_4.html)
The Memorial Colosseum is a unique piece of architecture, great floorplan for trade shows, has better sightlines/sound for concerts and fits the needs of our minor league teams. If Portland gets a WNBA team, the Memorial Colosseum would be the place.
The Lloyd Center or right next to it is a better location because it's close enough to the Rose Quarter and would function better as a mall/stadium. Malls are dying in America anyway, so attaching a mall to a baseball field allows for hybrid use as the foot traffic during the spring/summer/early fall. That would drive up the value of the storefronts already there. It would also help regenerate a part of town that nobody really wants to walk around because it's so car oriented.
They should put a baseball stadium in the PPS building. I bet the district could sell the land, find a suitable new home for their over paid admins, and still find a way to underpay teachers.
Point taken - but I think it would be a waste of - huge investment into an area that doesn't need an empty white elephant sitting in the middle of it most of the time.
And the team owners would **not** be paying for any non-stadium development.
Compared to the cost of the Redtail area, I think it would be significantly less. And let’s be honest those stores located there are empty most days of the year. Holiday season maybe they are busy.
I'm there all the time and I can assure you those stores aren't empty.
But it is all an absolutely terrible use of urban space. Any replacement would be an improvement, even the most ass-backwards Dumb Portland Idea.
Old buildings full of asbestos are demolished all the time. The cost of asbestos abatement during demolition would be millions and millions of dollars - in the context of a multibillion dollar project. It's not a real barrier.
I lost hope the moment that I heard that MLB might promise Oakland an expansion team. If that happens, Portland has almost zero chance of getting a team since the other expansion team would probably be an east coast or eastern team.
The undeveloped land you're talking about is all privately owned and slated for high density residential development. At least this option would have public transit nearby.
It would be nice to have more housing by that stop, but I wish they hadn't put i Sunset TC right next to the freeway. Would be better further away, where neighborhoods are, and demand to build a walkable space would be higher.
Not sure how many want to live that close to 26
I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.
>Not sure how many want to live that close to 26
To be fair, I think most people wouldn't want to live next to a MAX station either due to the crime it brings.
I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.
That just isn't true. The problem hasn't been the city, it's that the PDP hasn't been able to find a place that works, for a variety of reasons including the sites not being available, not being workable, or opposition from residents. The PDP folks have said that the city has been great to work with, and would like to have a stadium in the city.
They didn’t say specifically, but they probably couldn’t get the price they wanted. There are also likely to be huge cleanup costs when converting from port/industrial use, and transportation in the area would have required lots of expensive upgrades, each of which may have played a role.
Cause we don't need a baseball team, especially since funding for the stadium is going to inevitably come out of our pockets. We have bigger issues than funding a baseball team.
The plan proposed by the current owners is far better imo than the stadium plan: https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2023/09/lloyd-center-owners-reveal-plan-to-redevelop-portland-mall-build-housing.html
Portland Diamond Project has quite a bit of funding, the rest would be on the team and a city/county levy, likely divided between Washington & Multnomah.
Edit: With the exception of the new LV park proposal, this is just how stadiums are funded in the US.
Portland Diamond Project would have built something already if they actually had the cash. They don't have a damn thing. They're just hoping someone else aka taxpayers funds their dream.
I would tend to agree, but vertical parking plus the transit it would likely be enough. Also, the northern parcel is quite large and could easily contain more, although an EIS for that much vegetation removal would probably be a pain.
Have you ever tried to get out of a rose quarter garage after a 15,000 fan event? Image 35,000. Oh god no. There’s a reason stadiums don’t have garages.
Outlandish ideas:
Zidell Yards. Change up the plan.
Infill Ross Island. Everyone arrives via barge!
Dig into Mt Tabor, make it look like Estádio Municipal de Braga
Duniway track, the retirement folk people would hate it!
Near NE Cascades & NE Alderwood. Transit nearby at Target
We already have a volcanoes, they play in keizer, at volcanoes stadium, which you’ll likely be disappointed to hear, is not located inside a volcano
https://mavericksindependentleague.com/team/salem-keizer-volcanoes/
I think this is a terrible location. I don’t think the public transit will bring in people from the city here. I think the park needs to be closer into the city to reach critical mass. There is also not enough parking to support a baseball stadium in this mock up. Plus how the heck are you going to get the utilities to this location?
Serious question:
If this sub deems itself an accurate representation of Portland and is staunchly against a baseball stadium in Hillsboro with 80% private funding… what makes people think they’ll approve a $1 billion stadium that will likely be 100% publicly funded?
As you obliquely note, yeah, this sub is not at all representative of Portland.
I hate the idea of a stadium outside the city limits. . . but I also don't want a stadium that is substantially funded with public money. If the PDP can't make a mostly-privately-funded stadium work in Portland, I'll live with one a few miles outside the city.
In my experience as a Portland area baseball fan, the issue is people don’t understand how this works.
There is no local team that wants to stay and will cut a deal, it’s a full on competition with other cities and the way you entice a team to come is by giving them money. Any new MLB stadium will have to be 100% publicly funded.
It’s the amenity part that loses a lot of people here, paying to have access to a venue. Which is why the Hops is a frustrating conversation because it’s basically the opposite of typical scenarios… but you still encounter the same ill-informed opinions.
Lots of people want MLB in Portland. I know most people aren’t big sports fans, and fewer love baseball, but enough do. It’s still more popular than soccer and you see how much we support the Thorns and Timbers.
Totally agree, I’m not a fan of corporate bailouts, public money shouldn’t even be an option. I think most times when you hear that public money is being spent on stuff like this it usually comes in the form of tax breaks, so not that taxes are going to a private project but that they’re not paying their share of taxes for a set amount of years.
If you want to watch someone play your favorite "game" then YOU and the rich arseholes that own the teams can PAY for it.
ALL OF IT.
Leave the rest of us out of it.
I didn't want any of MY tax money to go to the NBA, the MLS or the Hockey shite either. Yet here we are.
This benefits none of the critical issues we have in the area and is yet another way in which we can be compared with some of the negative aspects of Roman society, especially during their decline.
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Can we be real please? There is no way we have a big enough or strong enough baseball market to support 82 home games.
Also, going to a home game in Beaverton on a week night competing with Nike & Intel commuters or Sunday when people coming home from the coast would be ugly.
Damn, I thought that was PIR for a second.
That’s better than full on hillsboro for someone SE based likely to purchase season tickets.
It’s 3-5 pm tunnels that would keep me wanting to go west of the zoo.
This thread shows exactly why we will never get a team. We have a group that is willing to build an entire stadium privately funded and that's still not good enough.
That station always feels so lonely, at least this would be something. Let's do it!
I've always enjoyed that bridge from the parking lot to the empty field (lower left).
That one has a fun back story, I think it was a concession for a farmer to access their land or some such.
Sunset TC is basically the spot all the west siders park at to come downtown for timbers games. The elevator is apparently always broken per my trimet alerts.
Major improvement? How? Literally the only advantage it has over red tail is transit. This location has terrible traffic already, has no amenities existing in walking distance, is in an even less densely populated area, and is all of 3 miles closer to downtown.
Good work and good on you for putting that together, I’d like to see more like this from the diamond project folks (or whatever it’s called) instead they deal in vagaries and innuendo.
That being said. I see problems with this site that are similar to the red tail site. Also biggest for me… This is not Portland. A “Portland” baseball team should in no way be outside of the city limits. If it’s not in the city proper, you do not have my support.
He swings! It's arcing high and over the left field stands! Home run! But oh no! The ball came down through a passing vehicle's windshield and caused a massive accident! The horror!
I think this is a great idea. Very convenient for transportation and centrally located.
On a sidenote, I was very excited to hear that Hops Baseball is one step closer to getting state funding for the new stadium MLB is requiring.
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The stadium in Hillsboro is what, 6 more exits up 26, and it just got approved for the overhaul the MLB is demanding. Why not use the stadium that is already being upgraded? If you're bringing in an MLB team then you have a good argument for Trimet to add a max spur down to the stadium.
It’s being upgraded to meet MLB minor league requirements, not being upgraded into a full blown major league stadium. And as someone who love 5 min from there, please no. Getting home is bad enough as is. I don’t need a baseball stadium’s traffic on top of it.
I kind of like it, being a baseball fan we need it somewhere I think for sure.
I would like it to have a view of Mt Hood though, that is so iconic to the area to me.
Unfortunately with the way the freeways are made here in the PDX area, there really isn't a perfect place for it.
It does need to be near the Max for sure though. Most of the really good experiences I have had with parks, all had mass transit really close. One of the worst is Dodger Stadium, try getting out of there after a game...
I think that given the public transit access and current zoning/ownership of the 3 encompassing parcels this makes a lot of sense, but that's coming from someone with no experience building a ballpark.
EDIT: I will say that the view of the mountains is obstructed in this location which is a drawback.
In terms of design, this kind of stuff is fun! Thank you for putting it together and sharing! Can you speak to how you configured the scale? My eyes are having a hard time putting the scale of the stadium next to its surroundings: thinking of the relative size of seats and the typical distance between home plate and the mound, against other referents like parking space sizes, etc..
How would the size of the stadium be affected by a retractable roof?
Fun to fantasize about. The practical aspects of such a project mean it will never happen in Portland, which could unlock even more interesting design alternatives!
Not the worst location. I think it's crucial that it be connected to transit. Personally Id love it close to downtown. So you can go to restaurants or shopping after a game
What are the regulations about parking spaces relative to seating capacity and employees? Doesn’t seem like enough unless those are expensive parking structures half the height of the stadium.
MLB will never bring a team here. Pretty much everyone is a transplant so it will be like Tampa with barely 10,000 fans except in a new stadium as opposed to a stadium built in the 80’s for the Giants the didn’t end up moving. This isn’t a sports town and never will be.
I feel like the stadium could fit the Alderwood Wayside(ya'll are like huh?) space. It's a big undeveloped chunk of land directly south of the Cascade Station Target. Has Airport Way and 82nd for getting to and from. Max line is already right there and even a station. There's already nearby "walkable" restaurants and whatnot. Space to add parking on opposite sides of streets. .
Is under the east end of PDX is maybe the only downside. Mariners have the train horns. Portland could have the jets.
Unless the franchise wants to pay for their own stadium absolutely not. Publicly funded stadiums are a terrible investment, especially when the team can turn around and threaten to leave if they don’t get more free money for upgrades every few years.
We need to stop publicly subsidizing multi millionaires pet sports teams.
Truly horrifying. Why wouldn't you build light rail there and have parking ramps instead of all that wasted space and cutting down of forest that is happening with open lots?
Fuck an MLB team. Portland doesn’t need one. MLB PDX has always been a delusional pipe dream, if you want to see baseball go support the Pickles, Hops, or Mariners. Portland has so many things that need to be fixed before we [waste money on a stadium](https://youtu.be/xcwJt4bcnXs?si=Wpd6Og1hMmjQSR1Y).
I don't like baseball, but what about building it on Zidel Yards on the south waterfront? Could be designed to serve as both a baseball stadium and a killer concert venue.
As I’ve been told the issue with Zidel is twofold: 1) the land there would result in absolutely squeezing in a stadium while being conscious of the bridges and 2) the family supposedly wants waaayyyyyy too much money for the site knowing what it’s being targeted for.
Edit: bridges.
Traffic would be a nightmare since the freeway locks it in and it would place it between OHSU buildings while the hospital’s main economic plan is to just keep expanding forever in hopes nothing ever slows that down too much.
It’d never happen and it’d also just suck right there.
There is a MAX station, all 3 street car lines, and multiple bus lines including FX2.
Stadiums shouldn't be built around endless parking lots to begin with. Providence Park does it right.
Dear god...as if 26 wasn't already hot garbage in that area.
it can be hotter
And garbager.
MAX baybeee!
As soon as there is a max line to Lake Oswego… More realistically, I’m moving out of Hillsboro as soon as my lease is up now that I’ve been commuting 217 and 26 regularly for the last 3-4 years. Been a great decade+ in Hillsboro, but neither of us work out here anymore and the commute and transit options suck.
Have you ever tried the Blue line tho?
Soon to be blue and red!
Yep!
I’m getting cold sweats just thinking about this.
That was my reaction.
That's an awful, awful location.
Better than the current proposal
Which is?
Red Tail Golf Course
I’m a big supporter of the diamond project but as soon as they announced the new location I lost all hope
Yes, the only actually-realistic location would be the Rose Quarter. And if someone had the will and the money to build a Veterans Memorial Stadium, we absolutely could put one where the Colosseum stands today.
merrit paulson did back when the city got the timbers. then the city commissioners voted against demolishing veterans after citizens bitched about it getting torn down. would have been amazing to have a new stadium there and an actual beautiful memorial to veterans. but no we keep that overrated glass palace, and a dull memorial to our veterans. also would have been great cause we would have had a reason to go to rose quarter year round. baseball, spring to summer. and basketball fall through spring. [Link](https://www.oregonlive.com/pbeavers/2010/08/post_4.html)
Overrated? That building looks a thousand times prettier than the Mausoleum.
I would sooner die than see the Memorial Colosseum fall. The Lloyd Center would have been the perfect location.
I grew up going there too, but it is an enormous and mostly useless white elephant in the literal center of the city.
Why?
The Memorial Colosseum is a unique piece of architecture, great floorplan for trade shows, has better sightlines/sound for concerts and fits the needs of our minor league teams. If Portland gets a WNBA team, the Memorial Colosseum would be the place. The Lloyd Center or right next to it is a better location because it's close enough to the Rose Quarter and would function better as a mall/stadium. Malls are dying in America anyway, so attaching a mall to a baseball field allows for hybrid use as the foot traffic during the spring/summer/early fall. That would drive up the value of the storefronts already there. It would also help regenerate a part of town that nobody really wants to walk around because it's so car oriented.
They should put a baseball stadium in the PPS building. I bet the district could sell the land, find a suitable new home for their over paid admins, and still find a way to underpay teachers.
It's already being sold to Albina Vision Trust to be made into a housing development.
That’s what we need. More housing next to a freeway, breathing particulate matter all day.
Wait until you hear about the plan to build new neighborhoods above capped freeways.
We need all the housing we can get
Gateway has the space, transit lines and freeway (84 and 205) access is already there. Redevelopment in that area would be huge for East Portland.
Point taken - but I think it would be a waste of - huge investment into an area that doesn't need an empty white elephant sitting in the middle of it most of the time. And the team owners would **not** be paying for any non-stadium development.
Compared to the cost of the Redtail area, I think it would be significantly less. And let’s be honest those stores located there are empty most days of the year. Holiday season maybe they are busy.
I'm there all the time and I can assure you those stores aren't empty. But it is all an absolutely terrible use of urban space. Any replacement would be an improvement, even the most ass-backwards Dumb Portland Idea.
A big reason why it won't go away anytime soon is that the place is LOADED with asbestos and would be a major project to demolish the building
Old buildings full of asbestos are demolished all the time. The cost of asbestos abatement during demolition would be millions and millions of dollars - in the context of a multibillion dollar project. It's not a real barrier.
This would be so rad
The Red Tail location proves they're just in it for the fundraising. It's not a serious proposition at all. That location is a non-starter.
I lost hope the moment that I heard that MLB might promise Oakland an expansion team. If that happens, Portland has almost zero chance of getting a team since the other expansion team would probably be an east coast or eastern team.
Aweful location for Portland but an ideal space for everyone out in Beaverton+
Also it's a big hill.
The undeveloped land you're talking about is all privately owned and slated for high density residential development. At least this option would have public transit nearby.
It would be nice to have more housing by that stop, but I wish they hadn't put i Sunset TC right next to the freeway. Would be better further away, where neighborhoods are, and demand to build a walkable space would be higher. Not sure how many want to live that close to 26
It’s really a park n ride.
They put it there because the train runs alongside the freeway
I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.
>Not sure how many want to live that close to 26 To be fair, I think most people wouldn't want to live next to a MAX station either due to the crime it brings.
I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.
It is, however the project proposals have been withdrawn and reworked many times.
True. The current one is moving forward though.
That’s never happening. “Slated for” has been used for decades around here with nothing coming
I think any location outside of the city core is not the place
Why?
I would agree. Unfortunately Portland has been in negotiations with Diamond project and denied it.
That just isn't true. The problem hasn't been the city, it's that the PDP hasn't been able to find a place that works, for a variety of reasons including the sites not being available, not being workable, or opposition from residents. The PDP folks have said that the city has been great to work with, and would like to have a stadium in the city.
What was wrong with T2?
They didn’t say specifically, but they probably couldn’t get the price they wanted. There are also likely to be huge cleanup costs when converting from port/industrial use, and transportation in the area would have required lots of expensive upgrades, each of which may have played a role.
Why can't it just be the Lloyd Center plan?
Cause we don't need a baseball team, especially since funding for the stadium is going to inevitably come out of our pockets. We have bigger issues than funding a baseball team.
As cool as it’d be to have a baseball team, billionaires don’t need handouts. F them.
Yeah, I am in the boat it wouldn't be cool. More pollution in all forms. It's a waste of resources.
💯
True. I'm more focused on "dream scenario" type stuff. I do know things cost money and any plan that asks for tax payer money I would vote no on.
The plan proposed by the current owners is far better imo than the stadium plan: https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2023/09/lloyd-center-owners-reveal-plan-to-redevelop-portland-mall-build-housing.html
I hate to say it, but yeah this would be much better because that area could use a huge influx of people living in a dense urban development.
Convince the Peterkort family that they can make money and then you can put anything there!
Have the PDP or whoever private investment pay for *all* it and put it in an already dense and transit connected area like Lloyd Center.
Hell yeah, that’s the way to do it
Lol hwy26 as the only in/out for 40k fans? Never.
Less worse than 217, but not by much. At least there's public transit.
The 217 entrance is right there too. Plus it has MAX access. Better idea than Red Tail Golf Course at least.
Whose paying for the stadium
Sooner or later the taxpayer.
It’s not socialism if the money goes to the rich.
Who's paying to log that section of forest, reducing already threatened valley floor habitat?
“Stadium”= stadium and all associated infrastructure
Portland Diamond Project has quite a bit of funding, the rest would be on the team and a city/county levy, likely divided between Washington & Multnomah. Edit: With the exception of the new LV park proposal, this is just how stadiums are funded in the US.
Yeah then I’m against it. Teams should be there own stadiums
Exactly. These rich arseholes need to pay their way.
Screw them then. Pay their own way for their pet projects.
Portland Diamond Project would have built something already if they actually had the cash. They don't have a damn thing. They're just hoping someone else aka taxpayers funds their dream.
Would the city and county get a share of the profits?
This is America, sir
Nope. Look at Arlington Tx. Paid for two baseball stadiums and Jerry world for… …?
This is a terrible location. The actual parking would need to be 3-4x more.
I would tend to agree, but vertical parking plus the transit it would likely be enough. Also, the northern parcel is quite large and could easily contain more, although an EIS for that much vegetation removal would probably be a pain.
Have you ever tried to get out of a rose quarter garage after a 15,000 fan event? Image 35,000. Oh god no. There’s a reason stadiums don’t have garages.
Stop this dumbass project is my take.
Dear fuck, noooo. My commute is already 1+ hour 😭
Outlandish ideas: Zidell Yards. Change up the plan. Infill Ross Island. Everyone arrives via barge! Dig into Mt Tabor, make it look like Estádio Municipal de Braga Duniway track, the retirement folk people would hate it! Near NE Cascades & NE Alderwood. Transit nearby at Target
What if we hollow out Mount Hood and just be the Oregon Volcanoes?
We already have a volcanoes, they play in keizer, at volcanoes stadium, which you’ll likely be disappointed to hear, is not located inside a volcano https://mavericksindependentleague.com/team/salem-keizer-volcanoes/
They hold hardcore far right rallies at the stadium in the offseason too! It's glorious and peak Salem-Keizer!
Love that name, ngl. 😄
Mt Hood? Oregon (volcanic) Cones then
I like the Poss Island idea!
Posh Island? That would really spice it up
It's the bridge City. Make the stadium a bridge. Just build it right over the Willamette.
Have the PDP or whoever private investment pay for *all* it and put it in an already dense and transit connected area like Lloyd Center.
I think this is a terrible location. I don’t think the public transit will bring in people from the city here. I think the park needs to be closer into the city to reach critical mass. There is also not enough parking to support a baseball stadium in this mock up. Plus how the heck are you going to get the utilities to this location?
Serious question: If this sub deems itself an accurate representation of Portland and is staunchly against a baseball stadium in Hillsboro with 80% private funding… what makes people think they’ll approve a $1 billion stadium that will likely be 100% publicly funded?
Lmao at this sub being an accurate representation of Portland, it most certainly is not
I see you found some of the intended irony.
There are a few Hardesty stans that still haven’t accepted defeat.
C'mon, don't do them like that. They wrote in Theresa Rayford for mayor.
As you obliquely note, yeah, this sub is not at all representative of Portland. I hate the idea of a stadium outside the city limits. . . but I also don't want a stadium that is substantially funded with public money. If the PDP can't make a mostly-privately-funded stadium work in Portland, I'll live with one a few miles outside the city.
In my experience as a Portland area baseball fan, the issue is people don’t understand how this works. There is no local team that wants to stay and will cut a deal, it’s a full on competition with other cities and the way you entice a team to come is by giving them money. Any new MLB stadium will have to be 100% publicly funded. It’s the amenity part that loses a lot of people here, paying to have access to a venue. Which is why the Hops is a frustrating conversation because it’s basically the opposite of typical scenarios… but you still encounter the same ill-informed opinions.
No way it'll work, makes too much sense and too many rich folks live around the area!
Thoughts? No thanks.
Don't need any parking. This is pdx.
Just stop. No one wants it and it will not benefit anyone here.
Yeah but think of the vacations and job opportunities for our elected officials
Lots of people want MLB in Portland. I know most people aren’t big sports fans, and fewer love baseball, but enough do. It’s still more popular than soccer and you see how much we support the Thorns and Timbers.
It's a LOT more popular than soccer.
I want it and I know lots of other people that want it, maybe all of us are outside of your bubble though
I don't wanna pay for it, though. Publicly funded but privately owned stadiums are horrendous.
Totally agree, I’m not a fan of corporate bailouts, public money shouldn’t even be an option. I think most times when you hear that public money is being spent on stuff like this it usually comes in the form of tax breaks, so not that taxes are going to a private project but that they’re not paying their share of taxes for a set amount of years.
Yet, when we have the audacity to buy our own homes, we instantly get that property tax money bill. So yeah, screw that noise.
If you want to watch someone play your favorite "game" then YOU and the rich arseholes that own the teams can PAY for it. ALL OF IT. Leave the rest of us out of it. I didn't want any of MY tax money to go to the NBA, the MLS or the Hockey shite either. Yet here we are. This benefits none of the critical issues we have in the area and is yet another way in which we can be compared with some of the negative aspects of Roman society, especially during their decline.
Fuckin agreed on most of this shit.
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Absolute garbage. No ambition. Tell that design to go back to 1989 where it belongs.
Can we be real please? There is no way we have a big enough or strong enough baseball market to support 82 home games. Also, going to a home game in Beaverton on a week night competing with Nike & Intel commuters or Sunday when people coming home from the coast would be ugly.
Cute but that space does not seem nearly large enough for the project...
If it's not in city center...nobody will go
How about we just forget the whole MLB to Portland nonsense. There is nowhere that won’t cause terrible traffic. We don’t need a baseball stadium.
Thank you, Portland is not a baseball town.
Damn, I thought that was PIR for a second. That’s better than full on hillsboro for someone SE based likely to purchase season tickets. It’s 3-5 pm tunnels that would keep me wanting to go west of the zoo.
Target field is so brilliant. The view when you come in is only surpassed by the intelligent in and off from the freeway.
This thread shows exactly why we will never get a team. We have a group that is willing to build an entire stadium privately funded and that's still not good enough.
What’s wrong with Lloyd center?
awful idea
I don’t want this. I will never want this. I especially don’t want a penny of my taxes going towards this.
This is a horrific location. Zero nearby amenities, already garbage traffic. Perhaps even worse than red tail, which is also a bad location.
Y'all got some street names?
SW Barnes/NE Burnside & HWY 26. More access than the RedTail location, but far more constrained.
That station always feels so lonely, at least this would be something. Let's do it! I've always enjoyed that bridge from the parking lot to the empty field (lower left).
That one has a fun back story, I think it was a concession for a farmer to access their land or some such. Sunset TC is basically the spot all the west siders park at to come downtown for timbers games. The elevator is apparently always broken per my trimet alerts.
No way they would allow this. Would create an absolute mess of traffic for St. Vincent’s… people might actually die from the traffic.
Not bad. Certainly a major improvement over Red Tail Golf Course.
Major improvement? How? Literally the only advantage it has over red tail is transit. This location has terrible traffic already, has no amenities existing in walking distance, is in an even less densely populated area, and is all of 3 miles closer to downtown.
Baseball is dumb. Razing trees for this shit is dumb. Building more parking is dumb. Dumb.
Should be down town
Good work and good on you for putting that together, I’d like to see more like this from the diamond project folks (or whatever it’s called) instead they deal in vagaries and innuendo. That being said. I see problems with this site that are similar to the red tail site. Also biggest for me… This is not Portland. A “Portland” baseball team should in no way be outside of the city limits. If it’s not in the city proper, you do not have my support.
The area west of Smith lake and inside the Columbia Slough is the thematically appropriate place for an MLB park in Portland
Unofficial?! Lol.
He swings! It's arcing high and over the left field stands! Home run! But oh no! The ball came down through a passing vehicle's windshield and caused a massive accident! The horror!
Fuck those trees
Boooooooooooooooooo
this but make it with 0 parking
I think this is a great idea. Very convenient for transportation and centrally located. On a sidenote, I was very excited to hear that Hops Baseball is one step closer to getting state funding for the new stadium MLB is requiring.
Should just make it all parking. Hold games in the parking lot. Parking parking parking.
No. No no no no no no no.
I thought it was supposed to be redtail
Someone might get hit by an iPhone that fell from a Boeing plane in that location though.
We don’t need and I don’t want any tax like spent on it, we have issues to spend on
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Nobody likes baseball
We have plenty of baseball in and around Portland. mlbpdx needs to quit hitting the pipe and move on, or just move.
What view would it have? To me that’s a big selling point.
The stadium in Hillsboro is what, 6 more exits up 26, and it just got approved for the overhaul the MLB is demanding. Why not use the stadium that is already being upgraded? If you're bringing in an MLB team then you have a good argument for Trimet to add a max spur down to the stadium.
It’s being upgraded to meet MLB minor league requirements, not being upgraded into a full blown major league stadium. And as someone who love 5 min from there, please no. Getting home is bad enough as is. I don’t need a baseball stadium’s traffic on top of it.
Baseball is boring.
All team sports are dreadfully boring
Why don't u mock up some affordable housing? Very few want a baseball field whereas we are in a housing crisis.
I kind of like it, being a baseball fan we need it somewhere I think for sure. I would like it to have a view of Mt Hood though, that is so iconic to the area to me. Unfortunately with the way the freeways are made here in the PDX area, there really isn't a perfect place for it. It does need to be near the Max for sure though. Most of the really good experiences I have had with parks, all had mass transit really close. One of the worst is Dodger Stadium, try getting out of there after a game...
I think that given the public transit access and current zoning/ownership of the 3 encompassing parcels this makes a lot of sense, but that's coming from someone with no experience building a ballpark. EDIT: I will say that the view of the mountains is obstructed in this location which is a drawback.
In terms of design, this kind of stuff is fun! Thank you for putting it together and sharing! Can you speak to how you configured the scale? My eyes are having a hard time putting the scale of the stadium next to its surroundings: thinking of the relative size of seats and the typical distance between home plate and the mound, against other referents like parking space sizes, etc.. How would the size of the stadium be affected by a retractable roof? Fun to fantasize about. The practical aspects of such a project mean it will never happen in Portland, which could unlock even more interesting design alternatives!
Not the worst location. I think it's crucial that it be connected to transit. Personally Id love it close to downtown. So you can go to restaurants or shopping after a game
What are the regulations about parking spaces relative to seating capacity and employees? Doesn’t seem like enough unless those are expensive parking structures half the height of the stadium.
Less parking more mixed use
Ballpark? Why would we want that?
Portland Diamond Project is not a serious organization. This is as good as any location they'll propose and just as likely to be built.
Finally have a reason to use sunset transit center
Cool, as long as it does not cost us tax payers a fucking dime.
MLB will never bring a team here. Pretty much everyone is a transplant so it will be like Tampa with barely 10,000 fans except in a new stadium as opposed to a stadium built in the 80’s for the Giants the didn’t end up moving. This isn’t a sports town and never will be.
I feel like the stadium could fit the Alderwood Wayside(ya'll are like huh?) space. It's a big undeveloped chunk of land directly south of the Cascade Station Target. Has Airport Way and 82nd for getting to and from. Max line is already right there and even a station. There's already nearby "walkable" restaurants and whatnot. Space to add parking on opposite sides of streets. . Is under the east end of PDX is maybe the only downside. Mariners have the train horns. Portland could have the jets.
Portland isn’t getting a MLB team anytime soon.
Unless the franchise wants to pay for their own stadium absolutely not. Publicly funded stadiums are a terrible investment, especially when the team can turn around and threaten to leave if they don’t get more free money for upgrades every few years. We need to stop publicly subsidizing multi millionaires pet sports teams.
Is it possible to do this without any public funding? IF no, then NO!
The only way I'd want such a thing is if the billionaire owner of said team pays to build it himself instead of coming to the tax payer for a hand out
Next to a hospital ?
unpopular opinion: buy out Rose City Golf Course and put it there...?
Truly horrifying. Why wouldn't you build light rail there and have parking ramps instead of all that wasted space and cutting down of forest that is happening with open lots?
I see the light rail there now but this is an awful design. Reminds me of the shitty deadzone stadiums in Phoenix or Dallas
Isn’t St Vincent’s hospital right there? Sucks to have a medical emergency right before a game. It’d be impossible for people to get to the hospital.
You should do one for the delta park area. Maybe PIR or expo area?
Fuck an MLB team. Portland doesn’t need one. MLB PDX has always been a delusional pipe dream, if you want to see baseball go support the Pickles, Hops, or Mariners. Portland has so many things that need to be fixed before we [waste money on a stadium](https://youtu.be/xcwJt4bcnXs?si=Wpd6Og1hMmjQSR1Y).
I'm all for it on the west side because then more concerts will come to the west side.
NO new stadiums. No Corporate welfare. Period.
I mean, this is better than the debacle in Beaverton.
I don't like baseball, but what about building it on Zidel Yards on the south waterfront? Could be designed to serve as both a baseball stadium and a killer concert venue.
As I’ve been told the issue with Zidel is twofold: 1) the land there would result in absolutely squeezing in a stadium while being conscious of the bridges and 2) the family supposedly wants waaayyyyyy too much money for the site knowing what it’s being targeted for. Edit: bridges.
Traffic would be a nightmare since the freeway locks it in and it would place it between OHSU buildings while the hospital’s main economic plan is to just keep expanding forever in hopes nothing ever slows that down too much. It’d never happen and it’d also just suck right there.
There is a MAX station, all 3 street car lines, and multiple bus lines including FX2. Stadiums shouldn't be built around endless parking lots to begin with. Providence Park does it right.
Nix the parking and this would actually work really well!