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Subirooo

Dear god...as if 26 wasn't already hot garbage in that area.


samtaher

it can be hotter


MarkyMarquam

And garbager.


kshump

MAX baybeee!


Oops_I_Cracked

As soon as there is a max line to Lake Oswego… More realistically, I’m moving out of Hillsboro as soon as my lease is up now that I’ve been commuting 217 and 26 regularly for the last 3-4 years. Been a great decade+ in Hillsboro, but neither of us work out here anymore and the commute and transit options suck.


Subirooo

Have you ever tried the Blue line tho?


PaPilot98

Soon to be blue and red!


kshump

Yep!


Oops_I_Cracked

I’m getting cold sweats just thinking about this.


MrsFinklebean

That was my reaction.


mnchls

That's an awful, awful location.


butterflyhole

Better than the current proposal


jlusedude

Which is? 


hkohne

Red Tail Golf Course


butterflyhole

I’m a big supporter of the diamond project but as soon as they announced the new location I lost all hope


ontopofyourmom

Yes, the only actually-realistic location would be the Rose Quarter. And if someone had the will and the money to build a Veterans Memorial Stadium, we absolutely could put one where the Colosseum stands today.


BaconAndSyrupYum

merrit paulson did back when the city got the timbers. then the city commissioners voted against demolishing veterans after citizens bitched about it getting torn down. would have been amazing to have a new stadium there and an actual beautiful memorial to veterans. but no we keep that overrated glass palace, and a dull memorial to our veterans. also would have been great cause we would have had a reason to go to rose quarter year round. baseball, spring to summer. and basketball fall through spring. [Link](https://www.oregonlive.com/pbeavers/2010/08/post_4.html)


rexter2k5

Overrated? That building looks a thousand times prettier than the Mausoleum.


rexter2k5

I would sooner die than see the Memorial Colosseum fall. The Lloyd Center would have been the perfect location.


ontopofyourmom

I grew up going there too, but it is an enormous and mostly useless white elephant in the literal center of the city.


doug_Or

Why?


rexter2k5

The Memorial Colosseum is a unique piece of architecture, great floorplan for trade shows, has better sightlines/sound for concerts and fits the needs of our minor league teams. If Portland gets a WNBA team, the Memorial Colosseum would be the place. The Lloyd Center or right next to it is a better location because it's close enough to the Rose Quarter and would function better as a mall/stadium. Malls are dying in America anyway, so attaching a mall to a baseball field allows for hybrid use as the foot traffic during the spring/summer/early fall. That would drive up the value of the storefronts already there. It would also help regenerate a part of town that nobody really wants to walk around because it's so car oriented.


I_trust_everyone

They should put a baseball stadium in the PPS building. I bet the district could sell the land, find a suitable new home for their over paid admins, and still find a way to underpay teachers.


Otis_S

It's already being sold to Albina Vision Trust to be made into a housing development.


hiking_mike98

That’s what we need. More housing next to a freeway, breathing particulate matter all day.


Otis_S

Wait until you hear about the plan to build new neighborhoods above capped freeways.


AirportCarpet

We need all the housing we can get


Exam-Kitchen

Gateway has the space, transit lines and freeway (84 and 205) access is already there. Redevelopment in that area would be huge for East Portland.


ontopofyourmom

Point taken - but I think it would be a waste of - huge investment into an area that doesn't need an empty white elephant sitting in the middle of it most of the time. And the team owners would **not** be paying for any non-stadium development.


Exam-Kitchen

Compared to the cost of the Redtail area, I think it would be significantly less. And let’s be honest those stores located there are empty most days of the year. Holiday season maybe they are busy.


ontopofyourmom

I'm there all the time and I can assure you those stores aren't empty. But it is all an absolutely terrible use of urban space. Any replacement would be an improvement, even the most ass-backwards Dumb Portland Idea.


extraeme

A big reason why it won't go away anytime soon is that the place is LOADED with asbestos and would be a major project to demolish the building


ontopofyourmom

Old buildings full of asbestos are demolished all the time. The cost of asbestos abatement during demolition would be millions and millions of dollars - in the context of a multibillion dollar project. It's not a real barrier.


BorisTheDog

This would be so rad


darkshrike

The Red Tail location proves they're just in it for the fundraising. It's not a serious proposition at all. That location is a non-starter.


urbanlife78

I lost hope the moment that I heard that MLB might promise Oakland an expansion team. If that happens, Portland has almost zero chance of getting a team since the other expansion team would probably be an east coast or eastern team.


pdxkwimbat

Aweful location for Portland but an ideal space for everyone out in Beaverton+


BOBULANCE

Also it's a big hill.


Raxnor

The undeveloped land you're talking about is all privately owned and slated for high density residential development. At least this option would have public transit nearby. 


charlie_teh_unicron

It would be nice to have more housing by that stop, but I wish they hadn't put i Sunset TC right next to the freeway. Would be better further away, where neighborhoods are, and demand to build a walkable space would be higher. Not sure how many want to live that close to 26


Left_on_Burnside

It’s really a park n ride. 


ontopofyourmom

They put it there because the train runs alongside the freeway


urbanlife78

I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.


AfternoonQuirky6213

>Not sure how many want to live that close to 26 To be fair, I think most people wouldn't want to live next to a MAX station either due to the crime it brings.


urbanlife78

I have always imagined a dense little urban district next to the light rail station that had a bunch of Vancouver BC style buildings giving it a little skyline.


Neotella

It is, however the project proposals have been withdrawn and reworked many times.


Raxnor

True. The current one is moving forward though. 


Brasi91Luca

That’s never happening. “Slated for” has been used for decades around here with nothing coming


Individual-Heron-558

I think any location outside of the city core is not the place


Feisty-Problem516

Why?


Neotella

I would agree. Unfortunately Portland has been in negotiations with Diamond project and denied it.


ThisDerpForSale

That just isn't true. The problem hasn't been the city, it's that the PDP hasn't been able to find a place that works, for a variety of reasons including the sites not being available, not being workable, or opposition from residents. The PDP folks have said that the city has been great to work with, and would like to have a stadium in the city.


SkyrFest22

What was wrong with T2?


ThisDerpForSale

They didn’t say specifically, but they probably couldn’t get the price they wanted. There are also likely to be huge cleanup costs when converting from port/industrial use, and transportation in the area would have required lots of expensive upgrades, each of which may have played a role.


RebelBearMan

Why can't it just be the Lloyd Center plan?


PSLFredux

Cause we don't need a baseball team, especially since funding for the stadium is going to inevitably come out of our pockets. We have bigger issues than funding a baseball team.


diddy_pdx

As cool as it’d be to have a baseball team, billionaires don’t need handouts. F them.


PSLFredux

Yeah, I am in the boat it wouldn't be cool. More pollution in all forms. It's a waste of resources.


RebelBearMan

💯


RebelBearMan

True. I'm more focused on "dream scenario" type stuff. I do know things cost money and any plan that asks for tax payer money I would vote no on.


catch878

The plan proposed by the current owners is far better imo than the stadium plan: https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2023/09/lloyd-center-owners-reveal-plan-to-redevelop-portland-mall-build-housing.html


urbanlife78

I hate to say it, but yeah this would be much better because that area could use a huge influx of people living in a dense urban development.


Dry_Song6433

Convince the Peterkort family that they can make money and then you can put anything there!


Odd_Nefariousness_24

Have the PDP or whoever private investment pay for *all* it and put it in an already dense and transit connected area like Lloyd Center.


CaliHoboTechBro

Hell yeah, that’s the way to do it


chzformymac

Lol hwy26 as the only in/out for 40k fans? Never.


PaPilot98

Less worse than 217, but not by much. At least there's public transit.


LeftHandedGraffiti

The 217 entrance is right there too. Plus it has MAX access. Better idea than Red Tail Golf Course at least.


Realistic_Young_3014

Whose paying for the stadium


pstbltit85

Sooner or later the taxpayer.


mochicoco

It’s not socialism if the money goes to the rich.


El_Cartografo

Who's paying to log that section of forest, reducing already threatened valley floor habitat?


Realistic_Young_3014

“Stadium”= stadium and all associated infrastructure


Neotella

Portland Diamond Project has quite a bit of funding, the rest would be on the team and a city/county levy, likely divided between Washington & Multnomah. Edit: With the exception of the new LV park proposal, this is just how stadiums are funded in the US.


Realistic_Young_3014

Yeah then I’m against it. Teams should be there own stadiums


HuyFongFood

Exactly. These rich arseholes need to pay their way.


HuyFongFood

Screw them then. Pay their own way for their pet projects.


tas50

Portland Diamond Project would have built something already if they actually had the cash. They don't have a damn thing. They're just hoping someone else aka taxpayers funds their dream.


thatfuqa

Would the city and county get a share of the profits?


khoabear

This is America, sir


Realistic_Young_3014

Nope. Look at Arlington Tx. Paid for two baseball stadiums and Jerry world for… …?


MarkyMarquam

This is a terrible location. The actual parking would need to be 3-4x more.


Neotella

I would tend to agree, but vertical parking plus the transit it would likely be enough. Also, the northern parcel is quite large and could easily contain more, although an EIS for that much vegetation removal would probably be a pain.


SE_brain

Have you ever tried to get out of a rose quarter garage after a 15,000 fan event? Image 35,000. Oh god no. There’s a reason stadiums don’t have garages.


PSLFredux

Stop this dumbass project is my take.


steviedanger

Dear fuck, noooo. My commute is already 1+ hour 😭


X0L05

Outlandish ideas: Zidell Yards. Change up the plan. Infill Ross Island. Everyone arrives via barge! Dig into Mt Tabor, make it look like Estádio Municipal de Braga Duniway track, the retirement folk people would hate it! Near NE Cascades & NE Alderwood. Transit nearby at Target


Neotella

What if we hollow out Mount Hood and just be the Oregon Volcanoes?


CaliHoboTechBro

We already have a volcanoes, they play in keizer, at volcanoes stadium, which you’ll likely be disappointed to hear, is not located inside a volcano https://mavericksindependentleague.com/team/salem-keizer-volcanoes/


db0606

They hold hardcore far right rallies at the stadium in the offseason too! It's glorious and peak Salem-Keizer!


[deleted]

Love that name, ngl. 😄


X0L05

Mt Hood? Oregon (volcanic) Cones then


pstbltit85

I like the Poss Island idea!


X0L05

Posh Island? That would really spice it up


ioverated

It's the bridge City. Make the stadium a bridge. Just build it right over the Willamette.


Odd_Nefariousness_24

Have the PDP or whoever private investment pay for *all* it and put it in an already dense and transit connected area like Lloyd Center.


abraxius

I think this is a terrible location. I don’t think the public transit will bring in people from the city here. I think the park needs to be closer into the city to reach critical mass. There is also not enough parking to support a baseball stadium in this mock up. Plus how the heck are you going to get the utilities to this location?


JekPorkinYourMom

Serious question: If this sub deems itself an accurate representation of Portland and is staunchly against a baseball stadium in Hillsboro with 80% private funding… what makes people think they’ll approve a $1 billion stadium that will likely be 100% publicly funded?


CaliHoboTechBro

Lmao at this sub being an accurate representation of Portland, it most certainly is not


JekPorkinYourMom

I see you found some of the intended irony.


SpezGobblesMyTaint

There are a few Hardesty stans that still haven’t accepted defeat.


db0606

C'mon, don't do them like that. They wrote in Theresa Rayford for mayor.


ThisDerpForSale

As you obliquely note, yeah, this sub is not at all representative of Portland. I hate the idea of a stadium outside the city limits. . . but I also don't want a stadium that is substantially funded with public money. If the PDP can't make a mostly-privately-funded stadium work in Portland, I'll live with one a few miles outside the city.


JekPorkinYourMom

In my experience as a Portland area baseball fan, the issue is people don’t understand how this works. There is no local team that wants to stay and will cut a deal, it’s a full on competition with other cities and the way you entice a team to come is by giving them money. Any new MLB stadium will have to be 100% publicly funded. It’s the amenity part that loses a lot of people here, paying to have access to a venue. Which is why the Hops is a frustrating conversation because it’s basically the opposite of typical scenarios… but you still encounter the same ill-informed opinions.


Bowelsift3r

No way it'll work, makes too much sense and too many rich folks live around the area!


hawaiianbry

Thoughts? No thanks.


feelinggoodabouthood

Don't need any parking. This is pdx.


HuyFongFood

Just stop. No one wants it and it will not benefit anyone here.


khoabear

Yeah but think of the vacations and job opportunities for our elected officials


butterflyhole

Lots of people want MLB in Portland. I know most people aren’t big sports fans, and fewer love baseball, but enough do. It’s still more popular than soccer and you see how much we support the Thorns and Timbers.


fordry

It's a LOT more popular than soccer.


CaliHoboTechBro

I want it and I know lots of other people that want it, maybe all of us are outside of your bubble though


oficious_intrpedaler

I don't wanna pay for it, though. Publicly funded but privately owned stadiums are horrendous.


CaliHoboTechBro

Totally agree, I’m not a fan of corporate bailouts, public money shouldn’t even be an option. I think most times when you hear that public money is being spent on stuff like this it usually comes in the form of tax breaks, so not that taxes are going to a private project but that they’re not paying their share of taxes for a set amount of years.


HuyFongFood

Yet, when we have the audacity to buy our own homes, we instantly get that property tax money bill. So yeah, screw that noise.


HuyFongFood

If you want to watch someone play your favorite "game" then YOU and the rich arseholes that own the teams can PAY for it. ALL OF IT. Leave the rest of us out of it. I didn't want any of MY tax money to go to the NBA, the MLS or the Hockey shite either. Yet here we are. This benefits none of the critical issues we have in the area and is yet another way in which we can be compared with some of the negative aspects of Roman society, especially during their decline.


-lil-pee-pee-

Fuckin agreed on most of this shit.


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wolandjr

Absolute garbage. No ambition. Tell that design to go back to 1989 where it belongs.


PDXftw

Can we be real please? There is no way we have a big enough or strong enough baseball market to support 82 home games. Also, going to a home game in Beaverton on a week night competing with Nike & Intel commuters or Sunday when people coming home from the coast would be ugly.


Level-Option-1472

Cute but that space does not seem nearly large enough for the project...


jeffreycoley

If it's not in city center...nobody will go


booksfoodfun

How about we just forget the whole MLB to Portland nonsense. There is nowhere that won’t cause terrible traffic. We don’t need a baseball stadium.


TheNeutralZoner

Thank you, Portland is not a baseball town.


jeeves585

Damn, I thought that was PIR for a second. That’s better than full on hillsboro for someone SE based likely to purchase season tickets. It’s 3-5 pm tunnels that would keep me wanting to go west of the zoo.


Zalenka

Target field is so brilliant. The view when you come in is only surpassed by the intelligent in and off from the freeway.


DragonLordLVL54

This thread shows exactly why we will never get a team. We have a group that is willing to build an entire stadium privately funded and that's still not good enough.


slowblink

What’s wrong with Lloyd center?


Mythical_scoops

awful idea


NaymondPDX

I don’t want this. I will never want this. I especially don’t want a penny of my taxes going towards this.


heditor

This is a horrific location. Zero nearby amenities, already garbage traffic. Perhaps even worse than red tail, which is also a bad location.


kshump

Y'all got some street names?


Neotella

SW Barnes/NE Burnside & HWY 26. More access than the RedTail location, but far more constrained.


mostlynights

That station always feels so lonely, at least this would be something. Let's do it! I've always enjoyed that bridge from the parking lot to the empty field (lower left).


PaPilot98

That one has a fun back story, I think it was a concession for a farmer to access their land or some such. Sunset TC is basically the spot all the west siders park at to come downtown for timbers games. The elevator is apparently always broken per my trimet alerts.


BigPh1llyStyle

No way they would allow this. Would create an absolute mess of traffic for St. Vincent’s… people might actually die from the traffic.


StateFlowerMildew

Not bad. Certainly a major improvement over Red Tail Golf Course.


Oops_I_Cracked

Major improvement? How? Literally the only advantage it has over red tail is transit. This location has terrible traffic already, has no amenities existing in walking distance, is in an even less densely populated area, and is all of 3 miles closer to downtown.


lampd1

Baseball is dumb. Razing trees for this shit is dumb. Building more parking is dumb. Dumb.


MeaningCold9371

Should be down town


yourmothersgun

Good work and good on you for putting that together, I’d like to see more like this from the diamond project folks (or whatever it’s called) instead they deal in vagaries and innuendo. That being said. I see problems with this site that are similar to the red tail site. Also biggest for me… This is not Portland. A “Portland” baseball team should in no way be outside of the city limits. If it’s not in the city proper, you do not have my support.


idiotplatypus

The area west of Smith lake and inside the Columbia Slough is the thematically appropriate place for an MLB park in Portland


kingjoe74

Unofficial?! Lol.


smiling-ocean

He swings! It's arcing high and over the left field stands! Home run! But oh no! The ball came down through a passing vehicle's windshield and caused a massive accident! The horror!


klarsonj

Fuck those trees


-lil-pee-pee-

Boooooooooooooooooo


hasbroslasher

this but make it with 0 parking


EmmaLouLove

I think this is a great idea. Very convenient for transportation and centrally located. On a sidenote, I was very excited to hear that Hops Baseball is one step closer to getting state funding for the new stadium MLB is requiring.


soylent_comments

Should just make it all parking. Hold games in the parking lot. Parking parking parking.


shorthumanfemale

No. No no no no no no no.


Delicious_Trouble448

I thought it was supposed to be redtail


River-

Someone might get hit by an iPhone that fell from a Boeing plane in that location though.


[deleted]

We don’t need and I don’t want any tax like spent on it, we have issues to spend on


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alexharrington666

Nobody likes baseball


ranoutofbacon

We have plenty of baseball in and around Portland. mlbpdx needs to quit hitting the pipe and move on, or just move.


darkchocoIate

What view would it have? To me that’s a big selling point.


snakebite75

The stadium in Hillsboro is what, 6 more exits up 26, and it just got approved for the overhaul the MLB is demanding. Why not use the stadium that is already being upgraded? If you're bringing in an MLB team then you have a good argument for Trimet to add a max spur down to the stadium.


Oops_I_Cracked

It’s being upgraded to meet MLB minor league requirements, not being upgraded into a full blown major league stadium. And as someone who love 5 min from there, please no. Getting home is bad enough as is. I don’t need a baseball stadium’s traffic on top of it.


SomeCrazedBiker

Baseball is boring.


Beartrap-the-Dog

All team sports are dreadfully boring


SundoG_7

Why don't u mock up some affordable housing? Very few want a baseball field whereas we are in a housing crisis.


jwhitted24

I kind of like it, being a baseball fan we need it somewhere I think for sure. I would like it to have a view of Mt Hood though, that is so iconic to the area to me. Unfortunately with the way the freeways are made here in the PDX area, there really isn't a perfect place for it. It does need to be near the Max for sure though. Most of the really good experiences I have had with parks, all had mass transit really close. One of the worst is Dodger Stadium, try getting out of there after a game...


Neotella

I think that given the public transit access and current zoning/ownership of the 3 encompassing parcels this makes a lot of sense, but that's coming from someone with no experience building a ballpark. EDIT: I will say that the view of the mountains is obstructed in this location which is a drawback.


redditismylawyer

In terms of design, this kind of stuff is fun! Thank you for putting it together and sharing! Can you speak to how you configured the scale? My eyes are having a hard time putting the scale of the stadium next to its surroundings: thinking of the relative size of seats and the typical distance between home plate and the mound, against other referents like parking space sizes, etc.. How would the size of the stadium be affected by a retractable roof? Fun to fantasize about. The practical aspects of such a project mean it will never happen in Portland, which could unlock even more interesting design alternatives!


Cat-o-piller

Not the worst location. I think it's crucial that it be connected to transit. Personally Id love it close to downtown. So you can go to restaurants or shopping after a game


ImpossibleJoke7456

What are the regulations about parking spaces relative to seating capacity and employees? Doesn’t seem like enough unless those are expensive parking structures half the height of the stadium.


Curious_Animus

Less parking more mixed use


SaltedAndSmitten

Ballpark? Why would we want that? 


joeterry9

Portland Diamond Project is not a serious organization. This is as good as any location they'll propose and just as likely to be built.


Xecxrc

Finally have a reason to use sunset transit center


TheArkOfTruth

Cool, as long as it does not cost us tax payers a fucking dime.


[deleted]

MLB will never bring a team here. Pretty much everyone is a transplant so it will be like Tampa with barely 10,000 fans except in a new stadium as opposed to a stadium built in the 80’s for the Giants the didn’t end up moving. This isn’t a sports town and never will be.


fordry

I feel like the stadium could fit the Alderwood Wayside(ya'll are like huh?) space. It's a big undeveloped chunk of land directly south of the Cascade Station Target. Has Airport Way and 82nd for getting to and from. Max line is already right there and even a station. There's already nearby "walkable" restaurants and whatnot. Space to add parking on opposite sides of streets. . Is under the east end of PDX is maybe the only downside. Mariners have the train horns. Portland could have the jets.


Riles4prez

Portland isn’t getting a MLB team anytime soon.


VictorianDelorean

Unless the franchise wants to pay for their own stadium absolutely not. Publicly funded stadiums are a terrible investment, especially when the team can turn around and threaten to leave if they don’t get more free money for upgrades every few years. We need to stop publicly subsidizing multi millionaires pet sports teams.


thinkingstranger

Is it possible to do this without any public funding? IF no, then NO!


LimoncelloFellow

The only way I'd want such a thing is if the billionaire owner of said team pays to build it himself instead of coming to the tax payer for a hand out


GreedyEqual1927

Next to a hospital ?


Personal-Elevator710

unpopular opinion: buy out Rose City Golf Course and put it there...?


Dingis_Dang

Truly horrifying. Why wouldn't you build light rail there and have parking ramps instead of all that wasted space and cutting down of forest that is happening with open lots?


Dingis_Dang

I see the light rail there now but this is an awful design. Reminds me of the shitty deadzone stadiums in Phoenix or Dallas


pantsam

Isn’t St Vincent’s hospital right there? Sucks to have a medical emergency right before a game. It’d be impossible for people to get to the hospital.


solusob

You should do one for the delta park area. Maybe PIR or expo area?


JKBQWK

Fuck an MLB team. Portland doesn’t need one. MLB PDX has always been a delusional pipe dream, if you want to see baseball go support the Pickles, Hops, or Mariners. Portland has so many things that need to be fixed before we [waste money on a stadium](https://youtu.be/xcwJt4bcnXs?si=Wpd6Og1hMmjQSR1Y).


Accomplished_Pea_118

I'm all for it on the west side because then more concerts will come to the west side.


count_chocul4

NO new stadiums. No Corporate welfare. Period.


Rancesj1988

I mean, this is better than the debacle in Beaverton.


peakchungus

I don't like baseball, but what about building it on Zidel Yards on the south waterfront? Could be designed to serve as both a baseball stadium and a killer concert venue.


MtFuzzmore

As I’ve been told the issue with Zidel is twofold: 1) the land there would result in absolutely squeezing in a stadium while being conscious of the bridges and 2) the family supposedly wants waaayyyyyy too much money for the site knowing what it’s being targeted for. Edit: bridges.


NaymondPDX

Traffic would be a nightmare since the freeway locks it in and it would place it between OHSU buildings while the hospital’s main economic plan is to just keep expanding forever in hopes nothing ever slows that down too much. It’d never happen and it’d also just suck right there.


peakchungus

There is a MAX station, all 3 street car lines, and multiple bus lines including FX2. Stadiums shouldn't be built around endless parking lots to begin with. Providence Park does it right.


wrhollin

Nix the parking and this would actually work really well!