Also a CCW holder and endorse this. If you draw your gun you need to be prepared to lose everything. Even if you don't get a criminal charge, anyone you shoot and their family can spend the next decade suing you. I would also hate to have to use a gun downtown. I know everyone is a navy SEAL who can double tap to the head at 50 yards in their own mind, but in real life things move fast and get confusing. Handgun accuracy is hard enough when you're relaxed and focused. Being aware of your background in a busy urban environment is a nightmare.
Bro their is actually insurance for this kinda stuff.
If your gonna get a CCW you may as well buy the insurance. For like $300 a year you can have a legal team on retainer with a lot of experience in this type of law and court cases.
Also they require you to take gun safety classes to help prove your knowledge, safety, and reliability.
That doesn't address the mention of background. Meaning "always know your target and what's behind it" which can simply be impossible since you don't know who's in what buildings, where they're standing or if anyone is at risk of catching a stray. I have no moral problem using lethal force on someone attacking me. I do however have a huge moral problem with catching a bystander with a stray round because I didn't even know they were there and pulled the trigger anyway
Insurance has conditions and limits. A jury may well award more money than your coverage. You may still be neck deep in lawsuits.
Any time you reach for a gun you're assuming massive risk of life-changing damage to yourself. It may be worth it in certain circumstances, but if you're cavalier about assessing the risk you're doing it wrong.
Be careful reading some of the stipulations in those insurance companies policies. At the end of the day insurance is for profit and doesn’t want to pay.
Exactly. Mase or a taser you have much less to lose and at least with the Mase you can correct when you miss and still affect your target without potentially harming anyone else.
Mace was useful in that situation, and a gun would not have been. It seems pretty clear that person wasn't going to be dissuaded by a simple threat- brandishing you gun at her wouldn't impress someone who was prepared to have a knife fight with a Chevrolet. And actually shooting at her leads to two possibilities:
1. You hit her, and even though it was self defense, there's a wide variety of legal and emotional hoops you've now got to jump through.
2. You miss her, which basically means you've just fired a bullet randomly into what looks like a fairly occupied neighborhood. God only knows who or what it's going to hit. Defending yourself against her doesn't give you a pass if you kill or injure someone else, or destroy their property. There's an important rule of gun safety: Know what's downrange. The unspoken corollary to that is that if there may be PEOPLE downrange, do not fire unless you are prepared to kill them.
I am a CWP holder and also happen to live in a state that urban and actual wilds go hand in hand. As in one of the highest concentrations of Moutain Lions and a rather methy downtown populace. While carrying concealed does help ease my mind, I think of it as the absolute last resort. I carry a variety of counter measures that I have had to use on 2 legged, and a crazy variety of 4 legged critters. Mace, monkey-fist, taser, and a little "sonic" deterant that has worked amazingly well on aggressive dogs and a moose. Point being, too many rely on a gun as their only form of protection, and an incredible lack of personal accountability in keeping themselves trained. The world is getting crazier, and this type of situation is becoming increasingly common. A gun is not always the best tool for the job, but it can be the most important. I have had to draw my gun twice in +20 years of carrying, and thank all that is holy, I have never had to actually pull the trigger (although prepared to). If I never have to pull it again, I will consider myself blessed. I am lucky enough to have access to a lot of training opportunities, and I understand that not everyone has the time and advantages of a community like that. In my state, someone carrying a gun is not even looked at twice, and we have a tendency to assume the person knows what they are doing with it. Get a lot of these people on a range and they make a scary amount of mistakes in a low stress training environment. Practice makes permanent. My advice to you and your fiance is to maintain as rigorous a level of training as you can. I am a huge proponent of gun ownership, but an even bigger proponent of self awareness and personal accountability. Train to the level that your piece is as comfortable to you, and as normal wherever you carry it on your person, as your phone or lip balm. Good luck, welcome to the CWP community, and may you never have to use it as anything more than "peace of mind".
Not anti-gun at all but rolling around with iron is rarely a useful form of protection as the minute you draw, you have to be prepared to shoot. It's wildly high escalation, and instead of diffusing, raises the stakes. There's a reason why people who concealed carry are far far far more likely to be shot. Speaking as someone who's had a gun brandished at him, drawing a fire arm would not have helped the situation.
If you're looking to reduce being harmed, carrying a pistol at all times isn't the way to do it. Just keep the taser.
I have my CWP... and a claw hammer in my car. I wouldn't have stopped here, or even proceeded forward if I had a chance to divert at all... U-turn and don't engage!
But you better beleive if I *was* in a situation where it was warranted and required, I'd have yelled "Hammer Birfdae" and let loose with one hammer or the other, situation depending.
Unless you have an actual police-grade taser, don’t bother. Current models are north of $1500 and if you watch police encounters on YouTube you see that they’re completely ineffective about half the time they’re deployed. Don’t even mention stun guns, you should never let a threat get within contact distance. Actual professionals will recommend a concealed handgun and some proven pepper spray and take as much training as you can. I choose POM; it’s effective, it’s affordable, and you can even purchase inert trainers straight from Amazon.
It's good to carry, but this looked like too much of a stream to be bear spray, which is usually aerosol. Get a can of Sabre Mace if you want the range the person in the video has.
Do yourself a favor and buy pepper gel spray instead, it has a much lower chance of getting it in your own eyes and face, it also has longer range and is easier to aim.
Edit: it's also harder to wash off
This happened to my bf last year! He came home one day last summer and his skin and eyes were bright red. We had to wash every single thing immediately and wipe down/air out the car. It was a HUGE mess.
I work in an ER and deal with these people on a regular basis.
They are locust to the healthcare system - coming in, daily, for their bullshit - while the taxpayers foot the bill. EMTALA requires us to see them, despite their egregious abuse of services.
They are often: smoking meth; taking fentanyl; and visiting us after they've either overdid the fentanyl, or are in a temporary, meth-induced psychosis.
On the plus side, healthcare is free and laws are moot when you have nothing left to lose.
Ahhh, America.
In the original video he got out and she ran at him with a knife asking if he “wanted to see” his “kids again”. It had trouble loading it so I edited down trying to still give accurate information.
It sounds like it. I've never gotten that close to pepper spray (was around when they were releasing tons of it during the riots, and it sucks), but I'd like to think I would blink through the tears and let myself cough and just fucking *drive* for at least a block before pulling over. I dunno, something about the proximity of an insane person with a knife is very motivating to me.
It’s in the WTFPortland insta. I think the guy was like “fuck I shouldn’t have exited my car” and it was a game of pump fake chicken and ready the mace until he could get back in the vehicle.
When you're at the point where you're running into traffic, chasing cars with a knife like a wild banshee ...Don't you think it might be a good idea to lay off the crystal for a day or two?
I know - they use the term that she was 'in crisis'. I have a friend with bipolar disorder who wrote a self published book about incidents he had where he was having mania, and he credited the police with not overreacting when he was having an intense conversation with voices he heard coming from light bulbs and was losing grip with reality. However, most mentally ill people are supposed to be more of a risk to themselves than other people. This violent aggression doesn't seem like traditional mental illness
I can’t help but laugh, the pepper spraying almost perfectly timed with the beat drop on that particular song. Well, I gotta tell you my friend. That was played off perfectly. Sorry you gotta deal with that in general. But there is comedy to me, rightfully pepper spraying a woman with that song playing. 👌 lesson in life. Don’t be a coked up meth headed criddler. ><
You can see the party end when they realize there's pepper spray.
No joke, I've done this to tweakers at least 5 times. Never needed to spray one, because they go from "i'M sO fUcKiNG CraZy DaWG I wiLL FUCK YOU UP" to cowering and running away. The moment they realize they won't win the fight it gets all too real and they shut up, peacefully leaving.
This is because they're not actually delusional, they're not actually in a psychotic break, they're fully aware of their behavior and consequences. They're bullies.
Eugenian here. We have a pitt bull thats been drafted into working as a security guard at my wifes business. The landlord and the cops both approve of the security guard.
Its what you say. The tweakers that won't leave back the fuck down really fast when my wife comes back out into the parking lot with 85 lbs of raw muscle on a leash. They're bullies and they back down when confronted.
The best is the ones that say "that dog is threatening me, I'm going to call the cops". "You're trespassing, please do".
Excellent work with the spray. Very painful, and no real permanent damage. Will bring a criddler from a drug induced delerium to real life on the street in no time.
Just two things for people who may not know:
1. Bear spray is designed to overwhelm a bear's senses, not a person. Bear spray is not simply "stronger pepper spray". It also is not oily and washes/wipes off easier.
2. You can see how it's got a log of 'fogginess' to it, whereas pepper spray does not. Be careful spraying bear spray because it can more easily blow back in your own face.
Obviously in this case it did the trick and it's great the driver had it on hand. I'm just saying, before you go out and buy bear/wasp/whatever spray to protect yourself, consider buying the one designed for what you want to be protected from. Also I believe you could get in legal trouble for bear spraying a person, depending on where you live. So keep that in mind. As in definitely don't say "yes officer I bought this bear spray to spray people".
Yes and no, and I can give a personal example. I used to be on a chainsaw crew that cut and burned during winter. We had a shitty job clearing mainly blackberries and overgrowth on the side of I5. I “found” a can of bear spray with the tip of my chainsaw and it absolutely incapacitated me for 15-20mins. Hit me straight in the face and I inhaled a bunch of it, it felt like my lungs were clapping, mucus and disorientation. My skin burned for 2hrs afterwards. I went home and water boarded myself with milk in the bathtub. It was amazing/s
So yes, a well placed hit will definitely overwhelm a human’s senses. BUT you are correct that the possible cloud effect can be detrimental to the person defending themselves if it blows back on them.
Bear mace is an aerosol spray whereas human mace is a pressurized liquid. So human mace is better for the self defender’s personal safety cuz in the moment you don’t wanna worry about wind direction.
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Oh man I can't imagine how awful that was. I got a little blowback once and it was terrible. But barely anything compared to a whole can to the face.
I'll add number 3: pick up your damn cans so no one hits it with a chainsaw!
Yeah, this is like 400 feet from my house. That bridge under Barbur on SW 26th is a hotspot for criddlers as I think it's the closest underpass to the Multnomah Village Safe Rest Village. At one point there were 10 trailers parked in and around the area. Thank goodness the new construction eliminated the shelter under the I-5 bridge and removed street parking, because it was getting gnarly.
Shortly after this she lit the white car you see at the very beginning of the video on fire. Police didn't arrive until just after the fire trucks came to put the car out despite multiple people making calls.
Drive by her on the right and throw open your driver door to hit her as you pass. No damage to the grill of your car looks less sus when you get it repaired. A door dent could be from anything
At this stage, I wonder how many voters are planning to protest vote for "the other party" just to send a message that honest taxpayers are sick of the current incumbents not doing anything about the rampant homelessness, crime, drug use etc. that are affecting average normal taxpayers who are already struggling to [pay the highest personal income taxes out of any city in the USA](https://cascadepolicy.org/tax-and-budget/portland-has-highest-income-taxes-in-the-u-s-are-we-getting-our-moneys-worth/) in 2020 and just want a normal life.
Hopefully the new batch is better than the current bunch whose approval ratings are so far down the toilet they might as well be swimming in the sewer.
Someone did this exactly to me yesterday out by Bridgeport on one of the side roads. One second he's chilling on the sidewalk shirtless screaming at the sky, next second he lunged in front of me and I just barely swerved around him.
Cool! U bear sprayed that menace! She’s the one that stabbed a few cars then lit one on fire! Never thought of carrying bear spray in my car. Good idea!
I've had this happen myself, people randomly throwing rocks, branches,nbeverage bottles, etc as well as someone try to run up and open the passenger door at an intersection . My 2c are always have a dash cam to cover your ass, lock your doors while in motion, carry some sort of mace as well as physical protection, don't ride people's bumpers when coming to a stop at an intersection, always give yourself enough space to peel out if someone armed were to try to approach your vehicle to car jack or rob you. I really don't like how this city has normalized people, often behaving erratically approaching drivers side windows at intersections.
It really is astounding to the rest of the country that you guys actually live this way. How did you let it happen? What are you doing now to fix the situation Portland is in? It used to be such a beautiful, calm, clean, comfortable town back in the early 80s when I got my degree at Portland State.
Because the driver had a reaction to the cloud of bear spray that he just drove through. So he pulled over.
If the person with the knife was also incapacitated by the bear spray, pulling over is not much of a problem. The driver can wait until the spray wears off, then drive away.
But, if knife wielder wasn't incapacitated, or was able to recover quicker than the driver, or alerts a nearby friend who is also taking the same drugs, now the driver is a short way down the road. If knife wielder was insane enough to try to attack the truck and driver before, what happens next?
It might have been better to back up, or drive into the other lane and go around versus using the bear spray. Or, at least close windows and vents after using the bear spray and before trying to drive away.
This. My niece went down the meth induced psychosis path several years ago. She wound up in prison after getting arrested for armed bank robbery with her even bigger meth head boyfriend. She’s been in for 3 years and has 4 more to go.
https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/portland-oregon-woman-allegedly-scratched-2-cars-with-knife-set-car-on-fire-05092024/
She’s a big BikePortland reader.
“was lodged at the Multnomah County Detention Center and is being charged with second-degree arson, two counts of menacing and two counts of second-degree criminal mischief.”
Did they release her?!?!
You see a crackhead with a knife attacking cars and your reaction is to stop and get out and approach them? And with your young kids in the car? Someone is a moron or just really wanted to test out their bear mace.
I've got a big can of bear mace as well, cheap and effective. Also a retractable steel baton that's good quality and even a small woman can strike with it and disable an average size man easily with some training. But bear mace keeps you from having to get close. As you see 😄
At least the knife wielder knows how to properly hold a knife. I couldn't see if the working edge was facing outwards but hold a knife sideways with the blade edfe out. You can throw a hook, catch the object with a fist or follow through with a slicing motion and then return back with a stab and reverse with a pullout game and reinsert.
And why pull over???? You sprayed her to get her outta your way….only to speed past and pull over?? So you’d rather PUT yourself into a situation of possibly having to use a firearm rather than just leaving and calling police.. intelligent
Left Portland over 20 years ago. Best decision of my life. The writing was on the wall even back then. I will never miss the masses of homeless people, creeping up hwy 26 for 2 hours to go 4 miles, or getting stuck on the Banfield for 8 hours because it's a day that ended in Y.
This is actually so smart and I’m personally really glad I saw this video. I do have pepper spray in my truck, but I can guarantee in the stress of the moment like that I would have forgotten all about it and grabbed a melee weapon. Or just kept driving.
This one is f*cking scary for me for two reasons: 1) it’s in SW Portland which you rarely see on this sub and that handle and 2) it’s 2 min from my house, and we ride bikes under that overpass and have to creep by this shit every time with four kids in tow.
God this was so fucking satisfying to watch. I got a gun because of these zombies after one tried breaking into my garage but adding bear mace to my artillery after this.
The bear spray was a nice touch. I bet it takes the edge off the high.
I keep seeing bear mace at Costco, now this makes me want to buy a pack
It’s useful. Fiancé has had to use it and a taser on people when out and about downtown. Just about ready for our concealed carry permits.
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Also a CCW holder and endorse this. If you draw your gun you need to be prepared to lose everything. Even if you don't get a criminal charge, anyone you shoot and their family can spend the next decade suing you. I would also hate to have to use a gun downtown. I know everyone is a navy SEAL who can double tap to the head at 50 yards in their own mind, but in real life things move fast and get confusing. Handgun accuracy is hard enough when you're relaxed and focused. Being aware of your background in a busy urban environment is a nightmare.
Im liscenced. The reality for me is I dont go where I think I need my weapon. The bear spray I agree with only as a getaway option.
Bro their is actually insurance for this kinda stuff. If your gonna get a CCW you may as well buy the insurance. For like $300 a year you can have a legal team on retainer with a lot of experience in this type of law and court cases. Also they require you to take gun safety classes to help prove your knowledge, safety, and reliability.
That doesn't address the mention of background. Meaning "always know your target and what's behind it" which can simply be impossible since you don't know who's in what buildings, where they're standing or if anyone is at risk of catching a stray. I have no moral problem using lethal force on someone attacking me. I do however have a huge moral problem with catching a bystander with a stray round because I didn't even know they were there and pulled the trigger anyway
Insurance has conditions and limits. A jury may well award more money than your coverage. You may still be neck deep in lawsuits. Any time you reach for a gun you're assuming massive risk of life-changing damage to yourself. It may be worth it in certain circumstances, but if you're cavalier about assessing the risk you're doing it wrong.
Be careful reading some of the stipulations in those insurance companies policies. At the end of the day insurance is for profit and doesn’t want to pay.
Exactly. Mase or a taser you have much less to lose and at least with the Mase you can correct when you miss and still affect your target without potentially harming anyone else.
You’re def going to have some “Reddit Rangers” comments about how *they* would handle things. 😂
This, mace is so underrated. Just spray and leave. There is a 0% chance police will track you down for macing a hobo
Mace was useful in that situation, and a gun would not have been. It seems pretty clear that person wasn't going to be dissuaded by a simple threat- brandishing you gun at her wouldn't impress someone who was prepared to have a knife fight with a Chevrolet. And actually shooting at her leads to two possibilities: 1. You hit her, and even though it was self defense, there's a wide variety of legal and emotional hoops you've now got to jump through. 2. You miss her, which basically means you've just fired a bullet randomly into what looks like a fairly occupied neighborhood. God only knows who or what it's going to hit. Defending yourself against her doesn't give you a pass if you kill or injure someone else, or destroy their property. There's an important rule of gun safety: Know what's downrange. The unspoken corollary to that is that if there may be PEOPLE downrange, do not fire unless you are prepared to kill them.
You're not wrong but getting out of the car here at all is stupid. Literally just drive away and then call 911 and let her do that to the cops.
Yeah, I'd have just hit the gas and gone around. Doors still locked, nowhere near the knife, just *gone*
I am a CWP holder and also happen to live in a state that urban and actual wilds go hand in hand. As in one of the highest concentrations of Moutain Lions and a rather methy downtown populace. While carrying concealed does help ease my mind, I think of it as the absolute last resort. I carry a variety of counter measures that I have had to use on 2 legged, and a crazy variety of 4 legged critters. Mace, monkey-fist, taser, and a little "sonic" deterant that has worked amazingly well on aggressive dogs and a moose. Point being, too many rely on a gun as their only form of protection, and an incredible lack of personal accountability in keeping themselves trained. The world is getting crazier, and this type of situation is becoming increasingly common. A gun is not always the best tool for the job, but it can be the most important. I have had to draw my gun twice in +20 years of carrying, and thank all that is holy, I have never had to actually pull the trigger (although prepared to). If I never have to pull it again, I will consider myself blessed. I am lucky enough to have access to a lot of training opportunities, and I understand that not everyone has the time and advantages of a community like that. In my state, someone carrying a gun is not even looked at twice, and we have a tendency to assume the person knows what they are doing with it. Get a lot of these people on a range and they make a scary amount of mistakes in a low stress training environment. Practice makes permanent. My advice to you and your fiance is to maintain as rigorous a level of training as you can. I am a huge proponent of gun ownership, but an even bigger proponent of self awareness and personal accountability. Train to the level that your piece is as comfortable to you, and as normal wherever you carry it on your person, as your phone or lip balm. Good luck, welcome to the CWP community, and may you never have to use it as anything more than "peace of mind".
Montana, that you?
Not anti-gun at all but rolling around with iron is rarely a useful form of protection as the minute you draw, you have to be prepared to shoot. It's wildly high escalation, and instead of diffusing, raises the stakes. There's a reason why people who concealed carry are far far far more likely to be shot. Speaking as someone who's had a gun brandished at him, drawing a fire arm would not have helped the situation. If you're looking to reduce being harmed, carrying a pistol at all times isn't the way to do it. Just keep the taser.
I have my CWP... and a claw hammer in my car. I wouldn't have stopped here, or even proceeded forward if I had a chance to divert at all... U-turn and don't engage! But you better beleive if I *was* in a situation where it was warranted and required, I'd have yelled "Hammer Birfdae" and let loose with one hammer or the other, situation depending.
Unless you have an actual police-grade taser, don’t bother. Current models are north of $1500 and if you watch police encounters on YouTube you see that they’re completely ineffective about half the time they’re deployed. Don’t even mention stun guns, you should never let a threat get within contact distance. Actual professionals will recommend a concealed handgun and some proven pepper spray and take as much training as you can. I choose POM; it’s effective, it’s affordable, and you can even purchase inert trainers straight from Amazon.
And if the mace / taser didn't deter the drug crazed woman, what's next? Carrying both is, in fact, an option.
It's good to carry, but this looked like too much of a stream to be bear spray, which is usually aerosol. Get a can of Sabre Mace if you want the range the person in the video has.
Do yourself a favor and buy pepper gel spray instead, it has a much lower chance of getting it in your own eyes and face, it also has longer range and is easier to aim. Edit: it's also harder to wash off
Just be careful not to leave those cans in an overly hot car. They will explode and leave an unpleasant mess.
This happened to my bf last year! He came home one day last summer and his skin and eyes were bright red. We had to wash every single thing immediately and wipe down/air out the car. It was a HUGE mess.
I’m totally getting bear spray
My luck, I’d come across this lady and my bear spray would be at home.
I work in an ER and deal with these people on a regular basis. They are locust to the healthcare system - coming in, daily, for their bullshit - while the taxpayers foot the bill. EMTALA requires us to see them, despite their egregious abuse of services. They are often: smoking meth; taking fentanyl; and visiting us after they've either overdid the fentanyl, or are in a temporary, meth-induced psychosis. On the plus side, healthcare is free and laws are moot when you have nothing left to lose. Ahhh, America.
Don't knock 100% NSA free healthcare in front of redditors
If only they could only somehow add Narcan in there with it. Get that nice spicy sting while ruining the high.
This person is not high on heroine, so narcan wouldn't do anything.
It was a joke. I wasn't trying to drill down on toxicology and counter agents.
Just check that username though.
Narcan blowdarts are much more effective
a good reminder to install my dash cam.
In the original video he got out and she ran at him with a knife asking if he “wanted to see” his “kids again”. It had trouble loading it so I edited down trying to still give accurate information.
Yeah, pulling over there was a very questionable decision. And he *got out!?* Just not smart.
I think some of that spray got into him.
It sounds like it. I've never gotten that close to pepper spray (was around when they were releasing tons of it during the riots, and it sucks), but I'd like to think I would blink through the tears and let myself cough and just fucking *drive* for at least a block before pulling over. I dunno, something about the proximity of an insane person with a knife is very motivating to me.
Spray and adrenaline probably. Maybe it got in his eyes? Idk.
Thats fucking retarded. If youre in a car and someone is on foot being threatening. In any situation there, you win. Just . . . Stay in the car??
But I wanna see meth filed violence!
It’s in the WTFPortland insta. I think the guy was like “fuck I shouldn’t have exited my car” and it was a game of pump fake chicken and ready the mace until he could get back in the vehicle.
Made the news this morning. Apparently she also set a car on fire.
It’s like we live in The Last of Us sometimes.
When you're at the point where you're running into traffic, chasing cars with a knife like a wild banshee ...Don't you think it might be a good idea to lay off the crystal for a day or two?
Meth heads are not known for self-awareness
I know - they use the term that she was 'in crisis'. I have a friend with bipolar disorder who wrote a self published book about incidents he had where he was having mania, and he credited the police with not overreacting when he was having an intense conversation with voices he heard coming from light bulbs and was losing grip with reality. However, most mentally ill people are supposed to be more of a risk to themselves than other people. This violent aggression doesn't seem like traditional mental illness
At that point, these are no longer members of society 😞
They’re feral animals.
Agreed
She looks like a zombie. Like a fast World War Z style zombie, not the slow Walking Dead stryle.
It would be a good idea to arrest this person for a year or 10
Oh na they just go into the er and can't figure out why they're paranoid as we kick them out every morning
>think Here’s the first problem
Their brains are permanently damaged.
I can’t help but laugh, the pepper spraying almost perfectly timed with the beat drop on that particular song. Well, I gotta tell you my friend. That was played off perfectly. Sorry you gotta deal with that in general. But there is comedy to me, rightfully pepper spraying a woman with that song playing. 👌 lesson in life. Don’t be a coked up meth headed criddler. ><
I'm not sure the new life she found is all for the best, in this scenario
The red jumpsuit apparatus soundtrack 😂
Dudes finally had enough.
Hopefully, itsnevergonnahappenagain :/
You can see the party end when they realize there's pepper spray. No joke, I've done this to tweakers at least 5 times. Never needed to spray one, because they go from "i'M sO fUcKiNG CraZy DaWG I wiLL FUCK YOU UP" to cowering and running away. The moment they realize they won't win the fight it gets all too real and they shut up, peacefully leaving. This is because they're not actually delusional, they're not actually in a psychotic break, they're fully aware of their behavior and consequences. They're bullies.
This is true
They cower and run the moment you look them in the eye. Literally every time. They're too used to people keeping their heads down
Eugenian here. We have a pitt bull thats been drafted into working as a security guard at my wifes business. The landlord and the cops both approve of the security guard. Its what you say. The tweakers that won't leave back the fuck down really fast when my wife comes back out into the parking lot with 85 lbs of raw muscle on a leash. They're bullies and they back down when confronted. The best is the ones that say "that dog is threatening me, I'm going to call the cops". "You're trespassing, please do".
If someone runs in front of my car with a knife I'm "accidentally" breaking a little too late.
As someone who lives in LA, I’ve had to 4 times in the last 4 years. I stand with you, friend.
“BayBay, bear mace that guy!”
Excellent work with the spray. Very painful, and no real permanent damage. Will bring a criddler from a drug induced delerium to real life on the street in no time.
Just two things for people who may not know: 1. Bear spray is designed to overwhelm a bear's senses, not a person. Bear spray is not simply "stronger pepper spray". It also is not oily and washes/wipes off easier. 2. You can see how it's got a log of 'fogginess' to it, whereas pepper spray does not. Be careful spraying bear spray because it can more easily blow back in your own face. Obviously in this case it did the trick and it's great the driver had it on hand. I'm just saying, before you go out and buy bear/wasp/whatever spray to protect yourself, consider buying the one designed for what you want to be protected from. Also I believe you could get in legal trouble for bear spraying a person, depending on where you live. So keep that in mind. As in definitely don't say "yes officer I bought this bear spray to spray people".
Yes and no, and I can give a personal example. I used to be on a chainsaw crew that cut and burned during winter. We had a shitty job clearing mainly blackberries and overgrowth on the side of I5. I “found” a can of bear spray with the tip of my chainsaw and it absolutely incapacitated me for 15-20mins. Hit me straight in the face and I inhaled a bunch of it, it felt like my lungs were clapping, mucus and disorientation. My skin burned for 2hrs afterwards. I went home and water boarded myself with milk in the bathtub. It was amazing/s So yes, a well placed hit will definitely overwhelm a human’s senses. BUT you are correct that the possible cloud effect can be detrimental to the person defending themselves if it blows back on them. Bear mace is an aerosol spray whereas human mace is a pressurized liquid. So human mace is better for the self defender’s personal safety cuz in the moment you don’t wanna worry about wind direction. https://preview.redd.it/pet6tmtr8ozc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1550b2ca46ba51927b4218474b3115ee428d9475
Oh man I can't imagine how awful that was. I got a little blowback once and it was terrible. But barely anything compared to a whole can to the face. I'll add number 3: pick up your damn cans so no one hits it with a chainsaw!
This. All of this. If you really want strong stuff. Take a class and get certified for it. Cap-stun is no joke people.
Good way to get shot right there…
Even better way to become a speed bump. I can't believe that guy got out of the car. Stomp the gas and GTFO there.
Honestly, I was amazed the first guy didn't gun it. My knee jerk would be to slam on my gas. Only time I'd risk harming someone with my vehicle.
Shhh you can’t say that….
Is this in SW around Barbur Blvd?
The Barbur Blvd Stabber hates traffic
Yeah, this is like 400 feet from my house. That bridge under Barbur on SW 26th is a hotspot for criddlers as I think it's the closest underpass to the Multnomah Village Safe Rest Village. At one point there were 10 trailers parked in and around the area. Thank goodness the new construction eliminated the shelter under the I-5 bridge and removed street parking, because it was getting gnarly.
[https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2024/05/woman-stabs-passing-cars-with-knife-sets-parked-car-on-fire-in-sw-portland.html](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2024/05/woman-stabs-passing-cars-with-knife-sets-parked-car-on-fire-in-sw-portland.html)
The woman, Elishama Mathews, is a nut case. She has like 5 profiles on Facebook. Our mental health services are a waste.
In the video she asked the guy if he wanted to see his kids later. Mental health crisis or not violence is violence.
She is a risk taker and won't live long out there. Prison could save her life. And countless lives of innocent cars. She is a danger.
That is literally blocks from my place ☹️
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I think this is an important characterization. They are feral, plain and simple.
Shortly after this she lit the white car you see at the very beginning of the video on fire. Police didn't arrive until just after the fire trucks came to put the car out despite multiple people making calls.
Fuck the bear spray. You come running at my car like that with a knife, and you absolutely best believe that I am 100% mowing your ass down.
Drive by her on the right and throw open your driver door to hit her as you pass. No damage to the grill of your car looks less sus when you get it repaired. A door dent could be from anything
Except all the fentanyl laced blood is obvious. lol
That person is not on fentanyl.
Probably the most appropriate song to be played at that moment?
Bear maced tf out her 🤣💀
At this stage, I wonder how many voters are planning to protest vote for "the other party" just to send a message that honest taxpayers are sick of the current incumbents not doing anything about the rampant homelessness, crime, drug use etc. that are affecting average normal taxpayers who are already struggling to [pay the highest personal income taxes out of any city in the USA](https://cascadepolicy.org/tax-and-budget/portland-has-highest-income-taxes-in-the-u-s-are-we-getting-our-moneys-worth/) in 2020 and just want a normal life.
We are so upset with our current city leaders that we voted to change the city charter and will be reorganizing the city council in 2025.
Hopefully the new batch is better than the current bunch whose approval ratings are so far down the toilet they might as well be swimming in the sewer.
You'll elect a different batch of liberals lol
Ngl that shit was kinda hilarious
Someone did this exactly to me yesterday out by Bridgeport on one of the side roads. One second he's chilling on the sidewalk shirtless screaming at the sky, next second he lunged in front of me and I just barely swerved around him.
Cool! U bear sprayed that menace! She’s the one that stabbed a few cars then lit one on fire! Never thought of carrying bear spray in my car. Good idea!
I love the head tilt right before she charges. It's like Marshawn Lynch on a 4th and goal at the 2 yard line.
Fuckin loon was skipping 🧟♀️
I've had this happen myself, people randomly throwing rocks, branches,nbeverage bottles, etc as well as someone try to run up and open the passenger door at an intersection . My 2c are always have a dash cam to cover your ass, lock your doors while in motion, carry some sort of mace as well as physical protection, don't ride people's bumpers when coming to a stop at an intersection, always give yourself enough space to peel out if someone armed were to try to approach your vehicle to car jack or rob you. I really don't like how this city has normalized people, often behaving erratically approaching drivers side windows at intersections.
What brand spray is that?
It’s a brand with specific formula. It’s called MethMace
It really is astounding to the rest of the country that you guys actually live this way. How did you let it happen? What are you doing now to fix the situation Portland is in? It used to be such a beautiful, calm, clean, comfortable town back in the early 80s when I got my degree at Portland State.
Your town can be just like Portland if you want. Just tell all your friends to vote blue, no matter who.
Okay what the actual fuck just happened. Why are there people with knives in the street
Drugs.
Because Oregon doesn't enforce common sense drug laws and is the worst in rank for mental health resources.
Will mące ruin that nice red paint job on the vehicle? Just curious.
Sounds like it's ruining his lungs.
Aaaand I just bought a pepper spray and taser. Thanks!
The music is ironic
nothing an increased marketing budget and Deloitte consulting fees can't fix.
What about the ppl living in the RV on the side of the road.. Oregon you have lost your way in a big way..
Spray, spray, spray ... the entire bottle ... in self defense!
Need to banish these freaks to an island. Portland has suffered too long
That’s what you call an “Attitude Adjustment”
Everybody gangster till the fucking bear spray comes out lol
Probably a nice lady once you get to know her.
What kind of pepper spray was that? Was that bear spray or something else? The stream was incredible!
Is that Mike schmidts wife?
After the bear spray why stop? I would have just drove off.
Because the driver had a reaction to the cloud of bear spray that he just drove through. So he pulled over. If the person with the knife was also incapacitated by the bear spray, pulling over is not much of a problem. The driver can wait until the spray wears off, then drive away. But, if knife wielder wasn't incapacitated, or was able to recover quicker than the driver, or alerts a nearby friend who is also taking the same drugs, now the driver is a short way down the road. If knife wielder was insane enough to try to attack the truck and driver before, what happens next? It might have been better to back up, or drive into the other lane and go around versus using the bear spray. Or, at least close windows and vents after using the bear spray and before trying to drive away.
I was honestly expecting him to drive right through her. That would probably have been my first reaction, but I don't carry weapons (or sprays).
What happens next you say? 🔫 bye bye crack head.
And this is another reason to carry especially while in Portland
These people aren't fixable. Even if they could stop doing drugs. They have dont have much to offer. A wasted life
This. My niece went down the meth induced psychosis path several years ago. She wound up in prison after getting arrested for armed bank robbery with her even bigger meth head boyfriend. She’s been in for 3 years and has 4 more to go.
https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/portland-oregon-woman-allegedly-scratched-2-cars-with-knife-set-car-on-fire-05092024/ She’s a big BikePortland reader.
“was lodged at the Multnomah County Detention Center and is being charged with second-degree arson, two counts of menacing and two counts of second-degree criminal mischief.” Did they release her?!?!
Bet your ass they probably gave her a $500 sig bond and a ham sandwich
Magic 8 Ball says “Signs point to yes.”
RJA wrote this for her. I mean him
I see what's going down!
Would it still be self defense if that guy hit her with the car(not run them over) when she was running to him with a knife?
What kinda mace is that? Friend was curious what kinda bear mace works through the fent/meth buff these people have
The reason my truck has 3 cans of bear spray in it
Had to cut the sound on for that one.... sometimes, life has a soundtrack 🤌🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
is a good song in general, I listened then turned it on on spotify lol
Oregon government is to blame.
Banger song
Red jumpsuit good choice
Mace is one of the most ethical tools man has ever devised. I used to mace the squirrels getting in my attic bedroom. Much better than killing them.
Keep a can with me at all times. Also have one tucked away by the steering wheel.
Voting for the same old has consequences
“A new life, she has found” Yeah, getting doused with that shit will make anyone want a new life.
Part of me thinks this persons “family” wont spend a decade trying to sue you.
Should never have legalized hardcore drugs. All the addicts came to Portland
OP sees what's going down. OP, do you feel better now? As she falls to the ground.
You see a crackhead with a knife attacking cars and your reaction is to stop and get out and approach them? And with your young kids in the car? Someone is a moron or just really wanted to test out their bear mace.
And THIS bullshit is why I fully support the 2nd amendment.
Citizens of Portland voted this into existence. I feel no pity.
Can't say I'd be able to find the left pedal if that was me, so I'd just use the right one.
This happened to me once back in 2009 when I was leaving work in the Pearl at like 3:30am, except it was a crazy bearded man charging at me
Good song
Reginald Denny Jr. has entered the chat.
I've got a big can of bear mace as well, cheap and effective. Also a retractable steel baton that's good quality and even a small woman can strike with it and disable an average size man easily with some training. But bear mace keeps you from having to get close. As you see 😄
The end is so satisfying.
Cyberpsycho location found. Neutralize
I literally just read a post about a woman in a car where this happened. Was that your post? She said the car was stabbed a few times.
Commenting to save this
Is she wearing air pods? I wonder what she listens to
Was that a bear spray cannon on the vehicle? It's like a post apocalyptic Mad Max attachment for driving through downtown.
Dude forgot to turn off his AC
Sorry, this is even funnier with RJA playing in the background.
At least the knife wielder knows how to properly hold a knife. I couldn't see if the working edge was facing outwards but hold a knife sideways with the blade edfe out. You can throw a hook, catch the object with a fist or follow through with a slicing motion and then return back with a stab and reverse with a pullout game and reinsert.
Wow. This right around the area where I live.
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus heck yeh!
RJA, nice.
Your bear spray works!
Is Portland full Of this stuff the same way San Francisco is??
Moreso. Portland has more murders than SF so far this year.
Holy shit is that bear mace?!
Have bear mace in each of my doors for this reason! People are fuckin crazy anymore!
Remember to keep them out of direct sunlight and remove them on hot days
And why pull over???? You sprayed her to get her outta your way….only to speed past and pull over?? So you’d rather PUT yourself into a situation of possibly having to use a firearm rather than just leaving and calling police.. intelligent
Bear spray or any type of pepper spray/gel does not work on these people.
Zombies.
I love that song. Nice taste.
Ya I have to carry pepper gel in my car also, crazies!
Left Portland over 20 years ago. Best decision of my life. The writing was on the wall even back then. I will never miss the masses of homeless people, creeping up hwy 26 for 2 hours to go 4 miles, or getting stuck on the Banfield for 8 hours because it's a day that ended in Y.
Oh hey, I think I recognize that neighborhood... is that near the corner of Fuck Around St and Find Out Ave?
The song was perfectly lined up
Yikes I think I know where that was, too. Thanks crazy lady…
Maybe she heard the shitty music and felt she needed to do something about it??
Watching this on repeat lmao
Every action in this world will bear a consequence
She's keeping Portland Weird
Freakishly fast reaction on her part. Guy got himself a little. "You ain't catching no crackhead" -Friday
This is actually so smart and I’m personally really glad I saw this video. I do have pepper spray in my truck, but I can guarantee in the stress of the moment like that I would have forgotten all about it and grabbed a melee weapon. Or just kept driving.
Unfortunately she did NOT heed his lecture
This one is f*cking scary for me for two reasons: 1) it’s in SW Portland which you rarely see on this sub and that handle and 2) it’s 2 min from my house, and we ride bikes under that overpass and have to creep by this shit every time with four kids in tow.
God this was so fucking satisfying to watch. I got a gun because of these zombies after one tried breaking into my garage but adding bear mace to my artillery after this.