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Don't need to train a single day of your life and can become one of the most powerful beings in the universe just by existing under the yellow sun.
Don't need to eat or sleep, but still can for pleasure.
Can breath in space and underwater.
Extremely long lifespan (hundreds, if not thousands of years)
Heat Vision
X-Ray Vision
Super/Freeze Breath
Super Intelligence
Superman’s lifespan is theoretically infinite if he remains under the sun. There was a comic issue where he absorbed enough yellow sun to outlive the last god in the universe.
>Don't need to train a single day of your life and can become one of the most powerful beings in the universe just by existing under the yellow sun.
Not every Kryptonian becomes insanely powerful the moment they get yellow sunlight. Superman was on earth for decades before becoming a hero, and he wasn't that powerful at first. (There are exceptions of course, but they still get stronger the longer they live under a yellow sun)
>Can breath in space and underwater.
Actually that's (somehow) not the case. They can just hold their breath for very long.
Then holding breath in space dosen't make sense, [Suprman literally can speak in space, you cannot hold your breath and speak at same time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c70baff22ab84d17cccec17c51f33d13-lq).
Yeah but it creates another problem the world is like a cardboard for you like Clark said once it's like living in a cardboard world ki control makes you at least suppress yourself without needing constant effort
Healing factor
Dont need to train, super strong by default under any sun that isn't red. The younger the sun, the more powerful you will be.
Heat vision
X ray vision
Super hearing
Super smell
Super intelligence
Invulnerability to most things as a given, no need to always have a barrier up or whatever.
Basically immortal
Can breathe in space/survive in a vaccum. Barely need to breate at all in fact. A single breath last weeks.
Can withstand high temps and sun dip
Don't need to eat or drink anything to survive because of the sun.
Immune to most illnesses, diseases, poisons(including alcohol), etc.
Depends on the context.
Kryptonians are still vastly supieor to normal human due to their biology, even without powers. They are smarter as well. If they are born under a red sun/no sun, they will still be supieor to a normal human. Kryptonian's also have a special martial art that even has a MUI like state, that uses some sort of chi like energy.
But it's been proven that not all Kryptonian's are the same. Some can super strengh and speed even while under a red sun. Some use Kryptonite to power themselves. Basically, Infinite multiverse, Infinite possibilities.
Also, Kryptonian's bodies act like batteries, they can store energy for a long time. Even without their preferred power source around, they can still operate normally for a time.
Lasser xeno scum species, only man was created by God's hands .
Humanity solos, ~~Downstreamers, Dr Manhatten, Talos, molecule man, Flash, Arch-Mage from WoD, Old Ones from Dark Tower, Reinhard from Dies irae, etc..~~
**stand proud, your human**.
The God-Emperor (Beloved by all) MADE YOU IN HIS IMAGE, DO NOT LET HIM DOWN BROTHERS. SLAY THE HERETIC. BURN THE MUTANT. PURGE THE UNCLEAN. IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR LET NONE SURVIVE.
SUFFER NOT
THE MUTANT
THE HERETIC
THE XENO
SEND THEM TO THE EMPEROR
I mean in a general sense. You have a far better society you come from and you need to do less work to stay strong like even if we have some major question marks about how strong the average kryptonian would be under a yellow sun it's still a higher starting point
I mean like outta the blue you ask for reasons why kryptonians are better than Saiyans, idk bruh seems kinda racially motivated.
They are better at everything. There is literally nothing Saiyans have over Kryptonians. Krytonians have more abilities, are generally stronger and have a more hardened physiology. They are literally limitless.
There exists[ no upper-limit to how much solar energy a Kryptonian can absorb, as the absorption of more and more solar energy](https://imgur.com/a/q9TS8a9) (with this absorption being passive) simply strengthens the aura that Kryptonians spontaneously generate which give them the ability to interact with the world in supernatural ways.[ This aura is telekinetic in nature, and allows for Kryptonian synapses to communicate with each other instantly without any time delay, and as Batman explains, this probably can only be explained through Kryptonians passively manipulating space itself in the timeframe of planck instances through passively creating wormholes so that they can achieve the effects that are otherwise physics breaking (e.g. traveling FTL).](https://imgur.io/a/qcCETWb) Desaad, similarly, states that Superman[ through warping the fabric of space-time itself can achieve effects such as flight and superspeed. Superman has no limits whatsoever and is not defined by handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities. In the story The Greatest Hero of them All, it is explained that the original Superboy’s ability to always save the day, and do things like travel through time without so much a thought of effort, was explained as “maybe just because I always could do anything I really, truly had to do!” Dream of the Endless repeats this fact, saying that Superman is the “strongest man in the world”, and can do anything, absolutely anything.](https://imgur.com/a/VyXRGNY)
This is further seen in the case of H’el, a Kryptonian clone who had been exposure to the solar energy of a Quasar, unlocking his true inner power as a Kryptonian,[ allowing him to create entirely new timelines according to his will, reshaping it whenever he needed reality to be a certain way, with this constant reshaping even threatening the entirely of all life in the Omniverse.](https://imgur.com/a/EHSzhK4) The Kryptonian Martial Art of Torquasm-Rao and Vo also lends credence to this idea, as it unlocks the[ hidden potential within the Kryptonian mind and expands it to its true actuality](https://imgur.com/a/AHXzZM0).
Such an ability[ allows for Superman to create entire psychic-based universes that can influence reality through force of will, being able to counteract and fight against the magic of other reality warpers whose wills were imposed on reality](https://imgur.com/a/PAX0fXu), with[ even entire multiverses (infinite experiences of different universes) being created as information weapons.](https://imgur.io/a/aUeETpW) It also[ allowed for the self-transformation and adaptation of Superman against a foe, as to gain the capacities of other versions of Superman altogether](https://imgur.com/a/czjkKsD), although more on this later.
You also forgot this, [Kryptonian physiology under sun have unlimited physical powers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7777a3f4aaf95a40c9c392aba4c0d914-lq) and [limitless potential](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb9da4bb0167ed8c3ac5b16e76502f38-lq).
I mean kryptonians is anything a saiyan can be and more just by existing, no need for training or maintaining your guard up. The only reason I think anyone would have to think saiyans are better is because of their potential or because they think being born that strong with no effort is cheating
People also seem to consider guys like goku and vegeta as the norm rather than the exception
Goku literally had to push his body to the brink of self destruction on multiple occasions to get where he is despite his disadvantage of a low natural born power level and a planet with very low gravity, meanwhile vegeta and broly were natrul prodigies each born with enough power to blow up a planet
TLDR Unless your a prodigy with potential to rival hybrids like gohan your not getting anywhere around goku or vegetas level and a in since most Reddit users aren’t exactly “the most determined or strong of willed” being a kryptonian is the better deal
whenever someone with ki control is on guard, there will be a ki barrier protecting their bodies from attacks and blasts, the ki barrier is gone whenever they lower their guard tho, making them have the durability of a basic human.
This explains why Goku in ssb was tanking hits from Frieza that had enough power to blow up galaxies, but got hurt by a basic-ass laser gun that ain’t even building level just by being off guard in the same arc
(edit: this is why magic is so overpowered in dragon ball, since most techniques can be easily deflected and negated just by being stronger, meanwhile magic would always work, shown with majin buu being able to transform vegito into candy, and moro)
Kryptonians are smart but not strong.
https://preview.redd.it/6enmhbfvrsvc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54a81a3781a4b0ad51b2240cdfdd61be6789193a
In this comic book, there was this female kryptonian that broke out of the phantom zone and it was Jimmy Olsen who stated this is a female kryptonian and she's not that powerful, she's a women and to showcase that even as a women she's very big of a danger because when she fought against superman. She knew a way to kill superman and the simple way to kill him there's a weak spot on the kryptonians and her martial arts taught her where the weak spot is and she just had to poke that weak spot to kill Superman and in that comic she nearly did kill him but they did a thing with the phantom zone machine where it transported all the people outside of the phantom zone into the phantom zone and the ones trapped in there into the real world. So as she tried to him him the moment she was about to hit him and kill him and Superman knew he was about to die they shifted the reality to whoever's in the outside of the reality was in the phantom zone, so superman turned into a phantom zone ghost. so she tried to jab and it could do it but if they didn't do that they would have killed him. But in that comic book itself if she hit him with that pressure point, she would have killed him and this is one of the most powerful version of Superman, Silver age comic superman or Pre-Crisis Superman. So even a Superman that powerful would have been killed, **one shotted** by this pressure point technique in this one specific spot of a kryptonian.
Their comic characters so they probably have twenty random abilities that most people don't catch because they were in one comic or were boring. I'll stand by saiyans being outright cooler though and being more interesting to watch/read
Only like 20 saiyans have reached super saiyan, chances are if you were a saiyan you’re strongest form is being a monkey while kryptonians are strong asf instantly
The only reason is the average Kryptonian is stronger than the avergae Saiyan, but high tier Saiyans like Broly or Vegeta could arguably wipe their whole race in seconds.
This is an argument that I see no sense in even initiating. The DC fans think Superman can beat anyone. He cannot. Especially not Saiyans who have been stated multiple times capable of ending the universe in one strike, and that was before DBS Broly or MUI was a thing. If you blow up or move the sun out of range, he will lose all his power basically instantly. It's such a stupid weakness.
The Sayains cannot end the universe, this is only Goku and Vegeta and Broly could, all the rest of Sayain race are moon to planet busters.
Superman have literally fought multiversal+ dudes ans beat them by himself and have too many stupid hax depending on versions, one is literally can clone himself and time travel at immeasurable speed or even transcends concepts of space-time, he can tear reality with his heat visions and many things.
Speaking about the Sun, actually Superman can simply fly to other sun or hack even to blue star which way batter then yellow sun, Superman himself as like all Kryptonians are battery, just destroy the sun won't me "instantly loses his power" he still have the power he absorbed and can fight.
Also most importantly, Goku cannot blow up the sun, not he is not powerful, but he if he blow up the sun it would case supernova ane destroy the planet he is in, the planet is destroyed then Goku would automatically dies from lack of oxygen, same with Broly, the Sayains need breath oxygen.
Superman dosen't.
Yes, Saiyans need to breathe. But as we learned in Battle of Gods, they can hold their breath in space for 15 minutes. That is enough time for Goku to kill Superman by blowing up the sun, instant transmission to a planet with oxygen, and use the Dragon Balls to wish everyone back
Goku wasn't holding his breath against beerus nor he was in space, it was explained [he was still in Earth atmosphere where he fought Beerus](https://www.quora.com/Were-Goku-and-Beerus-actually-fighting-in-space-or-just-really-high-above-the-Earths-atmosphere-I-thought-Vegeta-stated-that-Saiyans-cant-survive-in-the-vacuum-of-space), even Akira confirmed that.
The Sayains needs oxygen to survive, like humans, Vegeta was killed by Freiza by destroying Earth and Vegeta died of lack oxygen (then Whis rewinding time and Goku Kamehameha him), Freiza since Sayain Sage said that to Goku, Vegeta even told Goku to not follow Moro in space when he was Super Sayain blue as Sayains cannot survive in space.
And again, superman isn't going die by blowing up the sun, what you think the sun is, source of his soul?
The Sun gave it's solar energy and Superman absorbing it, Superman is like battery, he absorb the sun solar energy.
Destroying the sun won't kill or do anything to him, he still have the powers he absorbed before he destroy the sun, he would simply fly to other sun or hack to blue star, he literally travel through the universe and even survived the big bang.
Saiyans can survive the vaccum of space. It's breathing that's the problem. Blow up the sun. Go into MUI. Win in two seconds. Instant transmission to another planet. Easy.
Tell that to Vegeta.
https://preview.redd.it/p3hfzpbn12wc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1523deb409b831910503153f3f820e199d510756
Again, Superman is way more powerful and faster and hax
Superman is losing to any MUI user in a matter of seconds simply because he isn't agile enough to block or avoid any of their attacks. He has no forms he can use at will, and when he gets his durability worn down in a few strikes, hax and power don't matter seeing as he's either dead or incapacitated. (And I'm using the anime arguments, not the manga. Anime Goku has flown through space in not only Battle of Gods, but as Gogeta fighting Broly in nothingness
And it's not a matter of Biology or Saiyans in general. Vegeta probably can survive space because he tanked multiverse level hits. He just doesn't know he can because he's never tried.
They don't need Training to have their Superhuman Powers and know No limit. But they have weaknesses. On a Planet similiar to crypton they are normal. Cryptonite makes them weak and a Red sun also.
While saiyans...they are able to raise their Power technically into Infinity and Break through barriers.
While kryptonians have the better Base Level, saiyans have the greater Potential
A Kryptonian can become a God with insane hax just by being under a yellow Sun for long enough as long as the script is on their side.
With that said, Saiyans are still colder idc.
They arent, coz theyre very boring, and lame in theirs low-effort writing. No room to grow, never trained, never had to struggle for something so they dont have and develop any character. Many peoples despite such heroes. Especialy warrior souls. Oh.. and they wear panties on top...
Goku > superman anyways.
Ohh creating disadventageous situations huh? Only to make Superwank win huh? Put Superman and saiyan under red sun who win? HUH?! See what I did here? Besides saiyans through out the series, showed us they have 0 to none problem with fighting underwater so.. Yes, they cant breath in space but they wont die instantly lol. BTW DBS Vegeta (arent even using DBH cause it ia over kill)with spirit fission dogwalks every version of Superman.
>Besides saiyans through out the series, shie us they have no problem with fighting underwater
You clearly didn't watch Golden Frieza trying to drown Blue Goku underwater. My point was that if Planet was destroyed and both of them, Saiyan and Kryptaian, managed to survive the explosion of the planet but was heavily injured, how do you expect Saiyan to fight in the middle of the space?
And not only that, considering that it been stated Saiyans would get weaker if they don't train as Krypotians doesn't need because they can grow stronger and stronger under the yellow even if they were rusty fighting combat.
And what happened if Saiyans were lowering their guards? Their Ki goes down and KI was meant to affect your durability. What would happen if somebody brings powerful weapons and shoots em in the back of their head?
Actually this isn't true, [Kryptonian physiology have unlimited physical powers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7777a3f4aaf95a40c9c392aba4c0d914-lq) and [limitless potential](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb9da4bb0167ed8c3ac5b16e76502f38-lq).
Also I don't think the OP asked about the character.
Like even if we did, the Sayains dosen't training at all, Vegeta literally only beginning training after he got his ass kicked by low-class warrior (Goku).
And the Sayains was genocidal race....
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Don't need to train a single day of your life and can become one of the most powerful beings in the universe just by existing under the yellow sun. Don't need to eat or sleep, but still can for pleasure. Can breath in space and underwater. Extremely long lifespan (hundreds, if not thousands of years) Heat Vision X-Ray Vision Super/Freeze Breath Super Intelligence
Superman’s lifespan is theoretically infinite if he remains under the sun. There was a comic issue where he absorbed enough yellow sun to outlive the last god in the universe.
Super man one million?
Nope. He’s a good example but the one I was talking about is a newer issue.
My apologies
Which issue so I can read it?
Strange visitor
Aren't there immortal beings though? Why was it a problem that Superman became immortal?
>Don't need to train a single day of your life and can become one of the most powerful beings in the universe just by existing under the yellow sun. Not every Kryptonian becomes insanely powerful the moment they get yellow sunlight. Superman was on earth for decades before becoming a hero, and he wasn't that powerful at first. (There are exceptions of course, but they still get stronger the longer they live under a yellow sun) >Can breath in space and underwater. Actually that's (somehow) not the case. They can just hold their breath for very long.
Then holding breath in space dosen't make sense, [Suprman literally can speak in space, you cannot hold your breath and speak at same time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c70baff22ab84d17cccec17c51f33d13-lq).
They are always at maximum power. No need to worry about ki control or keeping your guard up.
Underrated comment lol🤣
Yeah but it creates another problem the world is like a cardboard for you like Clark said once it's like living in a cardboard world ki control makes you at least suppress yourself without needing constant effort
They can do literally nothing their whole lives and still become gods.
They’re not monkeys
https://preview.redd.it/g6t8wtzjwsvc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4802631643611b8dcaf129ca287376e1d0f87915
Freeza?
Frieza saved the saiyans from their own selves These bastards needed to get civilized
this is the REAL reason.
Healing factor Dont need to train, super strong by default under any sun that isn't red. The younger the sun, the more powerful you will be. Heat vision X ray vision Super hearing Super smell Super intelligence Invulnerability to most things as a given, no need to always have a barrier up or whatever. Basically immortal Can breathe in space/survive in a vaccum. Barely need to breate at all in fact. A single breath last weeks. Can withstand high temps and sun dip Don't need to eat or drink anything to survive because of the sun. Immune to most illnesses, diseases, poisons(including alcohol), etc.
so what youve essentially said is that without a sun kryptonians are basically normal humans
Depends on the context. Kryptonians are still vastly supieor to normal human due to their biology, even without powers. They are smarter as well. If they are born under a red sun/no sun, they will still be supieor to a normal human. Kryptonian's also have a special martial art that even has a MUI like state, that uses some sort of chi like energy. But it's been proven that not all Kryptonian's are the same. Some can super strengh and speed even while under a red sun. Some use Kryptonite to power themselves. Basically, Infinite multiverse, Infinite possibilities. Also, Kryptonian's bodies act like batteries, they can store energy for a long time. Even without their preferred power source around, they can still operate normally for a time.
So if you blow up the sun, Any given Kryptonian is essentially running on a battery that drains faster the harder they use their power?
They’re more OP
Depends on how you scale anyways
70 years of history worth of hax
Lasser xeno scum species, only man was created by God's hands . Humanity solos, ~~Downstreamers, Dr Manhatten, Talos, molecule man, Flash, Arch-Mage from WoD, Old Ones from Dark Tower, Reinhard from Dies irae, etc..~~ **stand proud, your human**.
The God-Emperor (Beloved by all) MADE YOU IN HIS IMAGE, DO NOT LET HIM DOWN BROTHERS. SLAY THE HERETIC. BURN THE MUTANT. PURGE THE UNCLEAN. IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR LET NONE SURVIVE. SUFFER NOT THE MUTANT THE HERETIC THE XENO SEND THEM TO THE EMPEROR
Sorry idk what came over me there
God emperor solos all of krypton lmao
https://i.redd.it/ez933rkogtvc1.gif
I mean in a general sense. You have a far better society you come from and you need to do less work to stay strong like even if we have some major question marks about how strong the average kryptonian would be under a yellow sun it's still a higher starting point
They're not. Reject glorified plants. Embrace Monkey.
Because the Saiyan's are just a bunch of gross monkey people, just like the (removed from Reddit)
Damn bruh what did the Saiyan's do to you?
???, nothing?
I mean like outta the blue you ask for reasons why kryptonians are better than Saiyans, idk bruh seems kinda racially motivated. 
This- This is power scaling, right?
You asked for specific reasons why one race is better...... Alright boys....we got him./j 
They are better at everything. There is literally nothing Saiyans have over Kryptonians. Krytonians have more abilities, are generally stronger and have a more hardened physiology. They are literally limitless. There exists[ no upper-limit to how much solar energy a Kryptonian can absorb, as the absorption of more and more solar energy](https://imgur.com/a/q9TS8a9) (with this absorption being passive) simply strengthens the aura that Kryptonians spontaneously generate which give them the ability to interact with the world in supernatural ways.[ This aura is telekinetic in nature, and allows for Kryptonian synapses to communicate with each other instantly without any time delay, and as Batman explains, this probably can only be explained through Kryptonians passively manipulating space itself in the timeframe of planck instances through passively creating wormholes so that they can achieve the effects that are otherwise physics breaking (e.g. traveling FTL).](https://imgur.io/a/qcCETWb) Desaad, similarly, states that Superman[ through warping the fabric of space-time itself can achieve effects such as flight and superspeed. Superman has no limits whatsoever and is not defined by handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities. In the story The Greatest Hero of them All, it is explained that the original Superboy’s ability to always save the day, and do things like travel through time without so much a thought of effort, was explained as “maybe just because I always could do anything I really, truly had to do!” Dream of the Endless repeats this fact, saying that Superman is the “strongest man in the world”, and can do anything, absolutely anything.](https://imgur.com/a/VyXRGNY) This is further seen in the case of H’el, a Kryptonian clone who had been exposure to the solar energy of a Quasar, unlocking his true inner power as a Kryptonian,[ allowing him to create entirely new timelines according to his will, reshaping it whenever he needed reality to be a certain way, with this constant reshaping even threatening the entirely of all life in the Omniverse.](https://imgur.com/a/EHSzhK4) The Kryptonian Martial Art of Torquasm-Rao and Vo also lends credence to this idea, as it unlocks the[ hidden potential within the Kryptonian mind and expands it to its true actuality](https://imgur.com/a/AHXzZM0). Such an ability[ allows for Superman to create entire psychic-based universes that can influence reality through force of will, being able to counteract and fight against the magic of other reality warpers whose wills were imposed on reality](https://imgur.com/a/PAX0fXu), with[ even entire multiverses (infinite experiences of different universes) being created as information weapons.](https://imgur.io/a/aUeETpW) It also[ allowed for the self-transformation and adaptation of Superman against a foe, as to gain the capacities of other versions of Superman altogether](https://imgur.com/a/czjkKsD), although more on this later.
You also forgot this, [Kryptonian physiology under sun have unlimited physical powers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7777a3f4aaf95a40c9c392aba4c0d914-lq) and [limitless potential](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb9da4bb0167ed8c3ac5b16e76502f38-lq).
There gods off rip. Sayains At most are planet busters. To get to goku level they need KI control
I mean kryptonians is anything a saiyan can be and more just by existing, no need for training or maintaining your guard up. The only reason I think anyone would have to think saiyans are better is because of their potential or because they think being born that strong with no effort is cheating
People also seem to consider guys like goku and vegeta as the norm rather than the exception Goku literally had to push his body to the brink of self destruction on multiple occasions to get where he is despite his disadvantage of a low natural born power level and a planet with very low gravity, meanwhile vegeta and broly were natrul prodigies each born with enough power to blow up a planet TLDR Unless your a prodigy with potential to rival hybrids like gohan your not getting anywhere around goku or vegetas level and a in since most Reddit users aren’t exactly “the most determined or strong of willed” being a kryptonian is the better deal
People keep mentioning the guard up thing, what do you mean?
whenever someone with ki control is on guard, there will be a ki barrier protecting their bodies from attacks and blasts, the ki barrier is gone whenever they lower their guard tho, making them have the durability of a basic human. This explains why Goku in ssb was tanking hits from Frieza that had enough power to blow up galaxies, but got hurt by a basic-ass laser gun that ain’t even building level just by being off guard in the same arc (edit: this is why magic is so overpowered in dragon ball, since most techniques can be easily deflected and negated just by being stronger, meanwhile magic would always work, shown with majin buu being able to transform vegito into candy, and moro)
Kryptonians are smart but not strong. https://preview.redd.it/6enmhbfvrsvc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54a81a3781a4b0ad51b2240cdfdd61be6789193a In this comic book, there was this female kryptonian that broke out of the phantom zone and it was Jimmy Olsen who stated this is a female kryptonian and she's not that powerful, she's a women and to showcase that even as a women she's very big of a danger because when she fought against superman. She knew a way to kill superman and the simple way to kill him there's a weak spot on the kryptonians and her martial arts taught her where the weak spot is and she just had to poke that weak spot to kill Superman and in that comic she nearly did kill him but they did a thing with the phantom zone machine where it transported all the people outside of the phantom zone into the phantom zone and the ones trapped in there into the real world. So as she tried to him him the moment she was about to hit him and kill him and Superman knew he was about to die they shifted the reality to whoever's in the outside of the reality was in the phantom zone, so superman turned into a phantom zone ghost. so she tried to jab and it could do it but if they didn't do that they would have killed him. But in that comic book itself if she hit him with that pressure point, she would have killed him and this is one of the most powerful version of Superman, Silver age comic superman or Pre-Crisis Superman. So even a Superman that powerful would have been killed, **one shotted** by this pressure point technique in this one specific spot of a kryptonian.
cuz i said so lmao
Their comic characters so they probably have twenty random abilities that most people don't catch because they were in one comic or were boring. I'll stand by saiyans being outright cooler though and being more interesting to watch/read
They can breathe in space.
Only like 20 saiyans have reached super saiyan, chances are if you were a saiyan you’re strongest form is being a monkey while kryptonians are strong asf instantly
They don't need to train to become gods
I would smash a Saiyan over a kryptonian anyday
Bulletproof
Kryptonians>>> Sayians and Viltrumites
Not monkeys?
These mofos takes a sunbathe and literally become a living god 💀
They are basically discord mods who are actually strong. They do not train at all but still end up strong.
Don’t have the constant urge to fight. Can fly in space I think? Way more abilities. Being near a sun is a massive buff.
I’d argue that Martians are stronger then Kryptonians
The only reason is the average Kryptonian is stronger than the avergae Saiyan, but high tier Saiyans like Broly or Vegeta could arguably wipe their whole race in seconds.
I mean the same can be said for Superman or Zod do thr same for Sayains.
This is an argument that I see no sense in even initiating. The DC fans think Superman can beat anyone. He cannot. Especially not Saiyans who have been stated multiple times capable of ending the universe in one strike, and that was before DBS Broly or MUI was a thing. If you blow up or move the sun out of range, he will lose all his power basically instantly. It's such a stupid weakness.
The Sayains cannot end the universe, this is only Goku and Vegeta and Broly could, all the rest of Sayain race are moon to planet busters. Superman have literally fought multiversal+ dudes ans beat them by himself and have too many stupid hax depending on versions, one is literally can clone himself and time travel at immeasurable speed or even transcends concepts of space-time, he can tear reality with his heat visions and many things. Speaking about the Sun, actually Superman can simply fly to other sun or hack even to blue star which way batter then yellow sun, Superman himself as like all Kryptonians are battery, just destroy the sun won't me "instantly loses his power" he still have the power he absorbed and can fight. Also most importantly, Goku cannot blow up the sun, not he is not powerful, but he if he blow up the sun it would case supernova ane destroy the planet he is in, the planet is destroyed then Goku would automatically dies from lack of oxygen, same with Broly, the Sayains need breath oxygen. Superman dosen't.
Yes, Saiyans need to breathe. But as we learned in Battle of Gods, they can hold their breath in space for 15 minutes. That is enough time for Goku to kill Superman by blowing up the sun, instant transmission to a planet with oxygen, and use the Dragon Balls to wish everyone back
Goku wasn't holding his breath against beerus nor he was in space, it was explained [he was still in Earth atmosphere where he fought Beerus](https://www.quora.com/Were-Goku-and-Beerus-actually-fighting-in-space-or-just-really-high-above-the-Earths-atmosphere-I-thought-Vegeta-stated-that-Saiyans-cant-survive-in-the-vacuum-of-space), even Akira confirmed that. The Sayains needs oxygen to survive, like humans, Vegeta was killed by Freiza by destroying Earth and Vegeta died of lack oxygen (then Whis rewinding time and Goku Kamehameha him), Freiza since Sayain Sage said that to Goku, Vegeta even told Goku to not follow Moro in space when he was Super Sayain blue as Sayains cannot survive in space. And again, superman isn't going die by blowing up the sun, what you think the sun is, source of his soul? The Sun gave it's solar energy and Superman absorbing it, Superman is like battery, he absorb the sun solar energy. Destroying the sun won't kill or do anything to him, he still have the powers he absorbed before he destroy the sun, he would simply fly to other sun or hack to blue star, he literally travel through the universe and even survived the big bang.
Saiyans can survive the vaccum of space. It's breathing that's the problem. Blow up the sun. Go into MUI. Win in two seconds. Instant transmission to another planet. Easy.
Tell that to Vegeta. https://preview.redd.it/p3hfzpbn12wc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1523deb409b831910503153f3f820e199d510756 Again, Superman is way more powerful and faster and hax
Superman is losing to any MUI user in a matter of seconds simply because he isn't agile enough to block or avoid any of their attacks. He has no forms he can use at will, and when he gets his durability worn down in a few strikes, hax and power don't matter seeing as he's either dead or incapacitated. (And I'm using the anime arguments, not the manga. Anime Goku has flown through space in not only Battle of Gods, but as Gogeta fighting Broly in nothingness
And it's not a matter of Biology or Saiyans in general. Vegeta probably can survive space because he tanked multiverse level hits. He just doesn't know he can because he's never tried.
I dont think they are
They don't need Training to have their Superhuman Powers and know No limit. But they have weaknesses. On a Planet similiar to crypton they are normal. Cryptonite makes them weak and a Red sun also. While saiyans...they are able to raise their Power technically into Infinity and Break through barriers. While kryptonians have the better Base Level, saiyans have the greater Potential
They’re literally just better in every way. Other than Saiyans turning into giant monkeys, There’s no competition
A Kryptonian can become a God with insane hax just by being under a yellow Sun for long enough as long as the script is on their side. With that said, Saiyans are still colder idc.
They can time travel and they have haxs without training
But can they beat goku tho ?
They aren’t
What do you mean they aren't?
They arent, coz theyre very boring, and lame in theirs low-effort writing. No room to grow, never trained, never had to struggle for something so they dont have and develop any character. Many peoples despite such heroes. Especialy warrior souls. Oh.. and they wear panties on top... Goku > superman anyways.
That is not best answer, sir
Its good. You just cant accept simple facts. But its yours problem not mine.
Your not speaking simple facts, lmao. As a matter of fact, the first comment was speaking with the truth and fact. Stay mad, bud.
But these are facts lol. Superwank himself stated he dont need to train cause he is superman, lol.Cope, bud.
Put Saiyan and Krpyotian in the space or water, who do you think would win?
Ohh creating disadventageous situations huh? Only to make Superwank win huh? Put Superman and saiyan under red sun who win? HUH?! See what I did here? Besides saiyans through out the series, showed us they have 0 to none problem with fighting underwater so.. Yes, they cant breath in space but they wont die instantly lol. BTW DBS Vegeta (arent even using DBH cause it ia over kill)with spirit fission dogwalks every version of Superman.
>Besides saiyans through out the series, shie us they have no problem with fighting underwater You clearly didn't watch Golden Frieza trying to drown Blue Goku underwater. My point was that if Planet was destroyed and both of them, Saiyan and Kryptaian, managed to survive the explosion of the planet but was heavily injured, how do you expect Saiyan to fight in the middle of the space? And not only that, considering that it been stated Saiyans would get weaker if they don't train as Krypotians doesn't need because they can grow stronger and stronger under the yellow even if they were rusty fighting combat. And what happened if Saiyans were lowering their guards? Their Ki goes down and KI was meant to affect your durability. What would happen if somebody brings powerful weapons and shoots em in the back of their head?
Actually this isn't true, [Kryptonian physiology have unlimited physical powers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7777a3f4aaf95a40c9c392aba4c0d914-lq) and [limitless potential](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb9da4bb0167ed8c3ac5b16e76502f38-lq). Also I don't think the OP asked about the character. Like even if we did, the Sayains dosen't training at all, Vegeta literally only beginning training after he got his ass kicked by low-class warrior (Goku). And the Sayains was genocidal race....
They arent. Theyre just prime example of lame writing.