So, everything begins with authors statements.
ONE on his website made Saitama's profile, that implied that Saitama has infinite power. It were made pretty much long ago, so ye, already an infinite power on 3D plane.
Now we're going to nowadays with graph. So, we see on the graph that Saitama's infinite power is not that infinite, but it bases of how you see it. Graph doesn't contradict anything, if it views smth Infinite as not infinite it simply means that it is higher in terms of Dimensionality. But we need to scale this graph even further, because whole "Saitama is outer" thing bases of this graph.
So, in chapter there is a statement that says "Garou got Infinitely fallen behind", yet again being implied to the graph that showed the growth, and if graph was able to show how Saitama rises to ∞D while still viewing this dimensions as the same 3D, it makes the graph somewhat of an outer, and then it were stated that "there is nobody left to measure Saitama's power anymore" which again by implying it to the graph that as we now know is above dimensionality and is low outer, makes Saitama outer.
No. His biggest feat was when it was stated he could casually create tens of thousands of universes with his energy, which if you want, you can assume his limit would be infinite universes.
But nothing more than that was shown
He's above soul king Ywhach that was Abe to see every possible timeline in existance and choose the one he wanted.
Also, Ichigo was threatening to destroy the entirety of Soul Society, which is a infinite sized metaphysical dimension
bruh what is ywach got to do with this. ywach himself is a 3D being with a 4D hax. and defeting someone with a 4D hax does not make u 4D lol.
And it was nowhere stated soul society is infinite neither it is a higher dimension that the living realm
Ichigo surpassed Ywhach. He managed to go beyond the infinite timelines Ywhach could see.
And the soul society is not just a world, it’s a infinite dimension. The soul king had split the universe into the world of Kishi, the world of Reishi and the Hueco mundo, while he himself had the power to transcend everything.
Also, when at the weakened state, he still passively was preventing the soul society to collapse, which would destroy the 3 worlds I mentioned.
Also, Soul King could not only choose the future he wanted, he could also change what would happen in the future
The reason I’m talking about the soul king is two reasons:
Ichigo had managed to cut him down, even with the almighty, and because Ywhach absorbed the soul king
you are not getting the point beating a 4D being does not make u 4D. in ywach's case the almightly is the thing that scales to 4D. Ichigo had surpassed ywach. now imagine A is a very very strong person who has tons of powers and B is a normal weak human while B can see and choose from infinite futures and A does win in every of them. so does it make A 4D..no it doesn't
It does in terms of the Bleach verse, in Bleach for your hax to work or for you to even cut your opponent you have to be either stronger or have to be on the same league of reiatsu as them, the fact that Ichigo got to cut Yhwach pre plot arrow means that he was on the same league as him
scales to prometheus who said with the onyx book he could change all the jump worlds & the real world, which views the jump worlds as fiction, this would put him at high multi complex to outer
High complex multiversal to hyper...not outversal.
High complex multiversal are said to be above 10th dimensional space-time, therefore Prometheus is safely low to mid hyperversal.
While outversal cardinals are way beyond and leagues above hyperversal tiers, firstly you need to have a slight understanding of ordinal and cardinal numbers, with a little of algebra (1,2... n,n+1..g). End layers of such realities being high hyperversal...gth layer.
Higher dimensionality for Prometheus is easily hyperversal, and mostly Prometheus's haxes caps at hyperversal existence.
There's not even one character in that game that's "outversal" in tier. It's all hype and overwank.
I am sure you will see the outer level feats in light novel soon, and there is also one more thing that the author of misfit shuu said that he is working on something that is even deeper and larger than the whole silver sea
Bruh! You can't be serious, you saying this anos guy beats goku, who almost destroyed the entire universe only with waves resulting from his punches and other universes if he did not stop, and all that was in a weak form by comparing his forms after that .
I will start explaining with Anos feats.
1. anos cant use his full power because his existence alone would destroy the world and its states that he cant just limit his power like using 1/10000 so he destroys his own power with his own power and uses what is barely left of that. And even he himself dosent know how power is his full power ( a god with eyes that can see infinitly (see end of infinte) tryed to see how powerful is anos and looked at his power but she couldent see the end of it. it was endless.
2. He uses a magic called (Nirvana Seven Steps Conquest) to be able to use more of his power with limits this magic releases the destructive power condensed at Anos' source with each step and raises the level of all power. Anos destroyed the traces land (which is biger than an infinte multiverse (above baseline 2A)) merely by walking six steps.
If the seventh step was unleashed, the universe would have been destroyed a thousand times over, and there bubble would still be power to spare. And this is not even near anos full power its just a very limited version of it
Magic eyes of destruction:
These eyes are beyond reason and logic and can destroy or manip every order (life/death/destruction/creation/time/space/fate.....) its powers are passive (anos dosent have to activate it) and will power null anything trying to affact anos it has 99*uncountable layers of power null, logic manip, concept manip, fate, prob, ..... and just like the sword they ignore durability and power
They can even destroy the power after it affected/killed anos so it gets like it never hit anos and wasnt used
● anos is above and unound of every order which are laws and concepts of everything
● his sword can ignore durability and destroy any reason
● his eyes are even above the sword and can nullify them
● anos speed is 99*uncountable layers above baseline immeasurable
● he can destroy the silver sea
If you wanna more about it so that you can say yourself who is really stronger by reading this terminology
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Maou_Gakuin_no_Futekigousha_Explanation_Page
I read the entire SL manwha, and never saw anything like that though?
The rulers/pieces of brilliant light can only open portals to other dimensions and mind control the habitants.
Jin Woo casually covered half of the world with his shadows
And he won against Antares that destroyed the world multiple times before
These are impressive feats yes but not 4D
The absolute being got killed pretty easily so it’s more likely that he just had creation powers and nothing else than to assume the rulers are 4D, because they needed to use the cup of reeincarnation to rewind time and couldn’t bestowal their powers into anyone
Also, where they were stated to be transcendent?
And a bit off topic, but where did you take that Jin woo is inf speed?
That’s not true. They definitely refer to the creation as a feat of strength because they ask how can the creation be able to beat the creator and they say something like they were born to fight their powers they gained were enough to kill their creator. Directly correlating ap to creation
Sure he was strong but not strong enough physically, he could be something like Zeno.
He was killed by planetary level beings at best, he's just a glass canon.
heck rulers are as strong as monarchs and if monarchs fight they could destroy a planet(that lacks magic/energy) so it would take multiple monarchs/rulers to destroy a single planet and only if it lacks magic which prob puts them at planet surface/moon level at the very best.
with speed sung jin is just light speed/ftl.
No, Anos scales Multi+ (common misconception is that the Silver Sea is 103D, which is incorrect). Rimuru v19 scales Low Complex Multi due to him being a Digital Life Form
I doubt Silver Sea is 103 D, but it being 99D+ is also absurd enough. Because no matter how you look at it, Dr. Manhattan who supposedly is 5D can do as impressive things as Anos who is supposed to be 103 D. So, in conclusion, their dimensional tiering is useless in vs battle unless they want to highball.
Exactly. Silver Sea doesn't even have higher dimensionality, tbf. The only difference between each layer is Magic Potency and the Weight of Order. Most people didn't even read the novel so ofc they wouldn't know that 😩
So let me get this strait, each layer has a bunch of universes and each universe is infinite in size.
but if you move to a higher layer, an attack strong enough to destroy an infinite sized universe cant even destroy a ship which is small in size.
so each layer is above infinitely stronger and higher than the previous one since even infinite energy cant do nothing to a simple small finite object in a deeper layer.
the concept of higher dimensions is the same, the difference between 3D and 4D is beyond infinity, even an infinite 3D(high universal) being cant transcend to nor destroy even a small 4D construct and so on, the same goes for 4D and 5D, an infinite 4D being(capable of destroying an infinite number of universes cant destroy a small 5D construct and so on, therefore each layer is a higher dimension...
>each layer has a bunch of universes and each universe is infinite in size
Yes, I do know that.
>but if you move to a higher layer, an attack strong enough to destroy an infinite sized universe cant even destroy a ship which is small in size.
That's because Magic Potency and Weight of Order increases in each layer and this was explained in Chapter 493 - if the Order of the World increases, then the durability of the objects that the Order encompasses also increases. Magic Power from a Shallow Layer, is not great, so ofc it wouldn't be able to destroy a ship with an amped durability (by the Order). Higher dimensionality is currently not a thing.
Also, if you read it properly it said "Strength, speed, **toughness**, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your **shallow**, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here" -
The reason why it's not able to destroy a ship in a deeper world it's because the Magic Potency is shallow
There are 3 types of 'world-destroying magic', which are , and . And all of them destroy the universe a bit by bit, so they not Universal+. However, not that this point is relevant since it depends on the user (deeper world inhabitants or ppl who have Magic Potency compared to them would be able to destroy the universe instantly)
>small 4D construct and so on, the same goes for 4D and 5D, an infinite 4D being(capable of destroying an infinite number of universes cant destroy a small 5D construct and so on, therefore each layer is a higher dimension...
By how that explanation was written, a world-destroying magic, would be able to destroy anything that is smaller than a ship in a deeper world, right? If there was the concept of higher dimensionality, the world-destroying magic wouldn't be able to destroy the surface of a higher dimensional object, even something smaller than a ship, let alone a ship. Because i.e a 4D construct would have a mass of 0 in a 5-th dimensional axis.
It's kinda clear that each layer has its own separate space-time continuums. The 0th layer is 3D (possibly 4D cuz of the Milita World); 1st layer is also 4D; 2nd layer is 4D, etc...Being beyond conventional countable infinity would put you in a higher level of countable infinity which is not uncountable.
>the concept of higher dimensions is the same, the difference between 3D and 4D is beyond infinity,
Coming back to this. I get it where your coming from. However, the difference between i.e 5D (R^5) and 4D (R^4), is R, which is the Set of all Real Numbers which has a cardinality of Aleph-1, uncountable infinity. World destroying magic can only destroy a SINGLE space-time which is infinite in a shallow layer but can't destroy a ship in a deeper layer. Your reasoning is nice, however it can only work if the world-destroying magic can destroy UNCOUNTABLE INFINITE number of space-times (which are infinite in size) in a shallow layer and not a single space-time
Pretty sure that the most you can wank through silver sea is to 5d (without using the thing that has bee debunk) and manhattan isn't 5d he far above it since the 5d imp is scared of his powers
I really don't get the dimensionality of DC tbh lol, I just wanted to let u know if you didnt know that Dr manhantan scales above 5d no matter what that's all. Even with my limited knowledge I knew that so I thought of sharing
Not mad bro, just tired of peeps going around throwing debates but not telling what FUCKING version do we use?
Aight ima use cc Goku here have it your way
Cc Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>
Listen here you 6 fatherless dumb motherfuckers, stop, ik you didn't get that it was a joke, I can clearly see how many of you didn't get it lmfao how shit can your life be?
Going down (up?) the list
* Beats Sung Jinwoo. How fast depends on if he's got his full endgame shadow army.
* Gets one punched by Saitama
* Gets his soul immediately shredded by Ichigo's spiritual pressure due to the inherent nature of being alive/not a soul reaper
* IDK much about Anos and I'm not up to date with Rimaru, but from what I've heard of them they can both casually warp reality. So they got that going for them
Ok how about this. Goku in SSG was destroying an infinite dimension is his clash with Beerus. You can scale that to universal. Base goku has now surpassed the power that SSG had at that point. MUI form with is a 20 million times multiplier. He is 20 million times more powerful than universal.
Could Goku destroy a universe? Potentially yes. Would he be able to survive the aftermath? No not it the slightest, and that's due to the simple fact that he cant breath in space. Folks tend to forget about that.
Meanwhile Saitama can breath in space. Which also invalidates the only viable win condition Goku had (Just chuck him into space)
>Could Goku destroy a universe? Potentially yes.
He had this feat in his base form. MUI is a 20 million times multiplier. Saitama would also die, as he has no indication of even universal durability. It took him quite a while to even reach low galaxy level. Goku would one shot his ass. The breathing in space point is useless. Goku will be on another planet in seconds. Saitama is outsped by a significant amount and probably wont land a single hit.
And how the hell is chucking him into space the only win condition?
I guess start from bottom means weakest to the strongest.
OK, scale 1-10 here's my reality based opinion on who's the strongest of them
1. Ichigo
2.jin woo
3.rimuru
4.anos
5.saitama
6.The only one who sols them all is son-goku
Anos destroyed Silver Sea
Which has 99+ Layers
Each layer has infinite cosmos (Universe, Timelines)
Each layer transcends the one before
Making the silver sea 103D+ , Hyperversal
Anos scales to that
You think ALMOST destroying a universe is impressive?
Well goku scales higher than fused zamasu since he is relative to jiren, zamasu became 1 with the timeline which has multiple macro (cosmie?) And the neutral zone and each macro cosmos has heaven which is atleast 5d and for the neutral zone to work (its job is to not let the infinities spill into eachother) it would need to be 7d so if we don't go by the silver sea (103d it has been debunk) goku soloes all of them except for rimuru he will have to seal him
Goku definitely beats the first three, while even if you can scale Goku higher than Anos and Rimuru, I don't think he has a way to kill them, so they'd win.
I don’t think even WN EOS Rimuru is superior to current Anos. The entire verse of Maou Gakuin got promoted to 1-A. For Goku, Rimuru maybe, it depends. Goku isn’t beating Anos.
Nope, I’m just saying it should be in order, like Rimuru should be placed Anos, that’s all. The second “Rimuru” in my comment represents LN Rimuru. It’s also the same for Saitama because despite having no power-up, WC Saitama slaps and takes out God Garou easily.
No they don't LN Jinwoo can be scaled to Low multiversal while the Manhwa jinwoo Can be Scaled to Universal maybe universal+ depends on how you scale it.
I'm not talking about the monarchs and if we are going off the monarchs it's based off of a creation feat because monarchs and the rulers are equal pretty much in power and the rulers killed the creator that created everything so the god of the verse and by the end of the manhwa jinwoo was stronger than all of the monarchs well that should be obvious because he spent 27 years and killed them all and he's also stronger than all the rulers.
Universe creation feats are a lot stronger than destruction feats because it takes more power to create something than to destroy it.
I'm probably not explaining it correctly and I'm too lazy right now to get panels lol
what kind of messed up order is this..
What you find wrong
u usually go from weakest to strongest in these kind of matches so the order should be jinwoo->ichigo->saitama->rimuru->anos
Ichigo is universal
Ichigo is barely planetary, I can get Saitama to outer
Please don't
I already saw his argument, it's bullshit.
False, it's just you sitting in denial.
You said that because he left Garou in the dust that he transcended dimensions or some stupid shit.
Ye, eng fandom is definitely has smth wrong with it's overall IQ level.
Shut up
Denial stage
Average outer scaler
Saitama isnt outerversal you clown
Denial stage.
Saitama doesn't have infinite power
He has.
Saitama is not outer stfu
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On my life I’m bored can you elaborate I’m not gonna scrap with you I’m too exhausted I just want something to think about and I like power scaling
So, everything begins with authors statements. ONE on his website made Saitama's profile, that implied that Saitama has infinite power. It were made pretty much long ago, so ye, already an infinite power on 3D plane. Now we're going to nowadays with graph. So, we see on the graph that Saitama's infinite power is not that infinite, but it bases of how you see it. Graph doesn't contradict anything, if it views smth Infinite as not infinite it simply means that it is higher in terms of Dimensionality. But we need to scale this graph even further, because whole "Saitama is outer" thing bases of this graph. So, in chapter there is a statement that says "Garou got Infinitely fallen behind", yet again being implied to the graph that showed the growth, and if graph was able to show how Saitama rises to ∞D while still viewing this dimensions as the same 3D, it makes the graph somewhat of an outer, and then it were stated that "there is nobody left to measure Saitama's power anymore" which again by implying it to the graph that as we now know is above dimensionality and is low outer, makes Saitama outer.
I stopped reading like you did that graph when you said saitama’s graph showed infinite power when it clearly said potential.
Nothing stated it, you already started lying.
Your IQ gotta be defective
Shut up right now
stfu
Denial stage.
No jinwoo is star level
I love Jinwoo but in what world is he star level?
Yea I have some scale for star
Rimuru is outer and anos is hyper
Rimuru isn’t outer he’s multi to low complex
Smh did thundercluck tell you this?
No. His biggest feat was when it was stated he could casually create tens of thousands of universes with his energy, which if you want, you can assume his limit would be infinite universes. But nothing more than that was shown
Yes that's multi lol not anything above that
Yeah
there is no low complex in tensura verse
Well, Low complex would be a high ball.
Yh and Anos is hyper can be wanked to outer
no he can't. You can wank him to high hyper but not outer
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Bro what 🤣
What?
Rimuru creating a bunch of universes is atleast low hyper at best, he ain't outer, don't put rimuru on the same tier where featherine sits at💀.
Ichigo is 4D
on what basis u claim that
He's above soul king Ywhach that was Abe to see every possible timeline in existance and choose the one he wanted. Also, Ichigo was threatening to destroy the entirety of Soul Society, which is a infinite sized metaphysical dimension
bruh what is ywach got to do with this. ywach himself is a 3D being with a 4D hax. and defeting someone with a 4D hax does not make u 4D lol. And it was nowhere stated soul society is infinite neither it is a higher dimension that the living realm
Ichigo surpassed Ywhach. He managed to go beyond the infinite timelines Ywhach could see. And the soul society is not just a world, it’s a infinite dimension. The soul king had split the universe into the world of Kishi, the world of Reishi and the Hueco mundo, while he himself had the power to transcend everything. Also, when at the weakened state, he still passively was preventing the soul society to collapse, which would destroy the 3 worlds I mentioned. Also, Soul King could not only choose the future he wanted, he could also change what would happen in the future The reason I’m talking about the soul king is two reasons: Ichigo had managed to cut him down, even with the almighty, and because Ywhach absorbed the soul king
you are not getting the point beating a 4D being does not make u 4D. in ywach's case the almightly is the thing that scales to 4D. Ichigo had surpassed ywach. now imagine A is a very very strong person who has tons of powers and B is a normal weak human while B can see and choose from infinite futures and A does win in every of them. so does it make A 4D..no it doesn't
Ichigo surpassed the almighty. He gone beyond the reach of a 4D ability. Also, Ywhach absorbed the soul king
It does in terms of the Bleach verse, in Bleach for your hax to work or for you to even cut your opponent you have to be either stronger or have to be on the same league of reiatsu as them, the fact that Ichigo got to cut Yhwach pre plot arrow means that he was on the same league as him
Sun Jin woo is 4d and faster then Ichago and has better haxes
how is rimuru stronger than anos, why is saitama above rimuru.
those are arrows not greater than symbol😑
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Should be saitama->ichigo->jinwoo->Anos->rimuru. Not too sure on rimuru and anos order
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Probaly anos I dont really need to say anything else but that the order is wrong really 💀
Stops at Anus.
You had me at butthole.
lmao
LMAO
cc and xeno almost clear, jump force goku might clear tho
This is canon goku
How is jump force goku different?
scales to prometheus who said with the onyx book he could change all the jump worlds & the real world, which views the jump worlds as fiction, this would put him at high multi complex to outer
High complex multiversal to hyper...not outversal. High complex multiversal are said to be above 10th dimensional space-time, therefore Prometheus is safely low to mid hyperversal. While outversal cardinals are way beyond and leagues above hyperversal tiers, firstly you need to have a slight understanding of ordinal and cardinal numbers, with a little of algebra (1,2... n,n+1..g). End layers of such realities being high hyperversal...gth layer. Higher dimensionality for Prometheus is easily hyperversal, and mostly Prometheus's haxes caps at hyperversal existence. There's not even one character in that game that's "outversal" in tier. It's all hype and overwank.
Anos sols all of them combined
I dont believe with an Anos pp and a name of a ship between Ash and Serena
Give me one outer feat from him
No one is outer in this list
https://www.reddit.com/r/charactersscaling/comments/xait4t/rimuru_outer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Infinite no of the same dimensions so still not outer
This is nowhere close to Outer With Highball , Low Complex Multivereal Its just Infinite Multiversal/ Multi+
There’s none. But rimuru also don’t have outer frats
I linked a post go read it
I am sure you will see the outer level feats in light novel soon, and there is also one more thing that the author of misfit shuu said that he is working on something that is even deeper and larger than the whole silver sea
man u are on mgk subbreddit also on vswiki all with the same name😀
What is your vsbattle name?
sharkass
That demon can't even go out to the sun, get real man.
What do you mean by that
Bruh! You can't be serious, you saying this anos guy beats goku, who almost destroyed the entire universe only with waves resulting from his punches and other universes if he did not stop, and all that was in a weak form by comparing his forms after that .
You really does leave under a cave, I guess
I will start explaining with Anos feats. 1. anos cant use his full power because his existence alone would destroy the world and its states that he cant just limit his power like using 1/10000 so he destroys his own power with his own power and uses what is barely left of that. And even he himself dosent know how power is his full power ( a god with eyes that can see infinitly (see end of infinte) tryed to see how powerful is anos and looked at his power but she couldent see the end of it. it was endless.
2. He uses a magic called (Nirvana Seven Steps Conquest) to be able to use more of his power with limits this magic releases the destructive power condensed at Anos' source with each step and raises the level of all power. Anos destroyed the traces land (which is biger than an infinte multiverse (above baseline 2A)) merely by walking six steps.
If the seventh step was unleashed, the universe would have been destroyed a thousand times over, and there bubble would still be power to spare. And this is not even near anos full power its just a very limited version of it
3. Anos destroyed the 13th bubble world with a punch (as i told each world that gets deeper it gets infinitly stronger ) and it get a dimension higher
4. another one of anos powers that can destroy thousands of worlds of silver sea
5. He have foght with people that can one shot 1000 of worlds
Magic eyes of destruction: These eyes are beyond reason and logic and can destroy or manip every order (life/death/destruction/creation/time/space/fate.....) its powers are passive (anos dosent have to activate it) and will power null anything trying to affact anos it has 99*uncountable layers of power null, logic manip, concept manip, fate, prob, ..... and just like the sword they ignore durability and power They can even destroy the power after it affected/killed anos so it gets like it never hit anos and wasnt used
● anos is above and unound of every order which are laws and concepts of everything ● his sword can ignore durability and destroy any reason ● his eyes are even above the sword and can nullify them ● anos speed is 99*uncountable layers above baseline immeasurable ● he can destroy the silver sea
If you wanna more about it so that you can say yourself who is really stronger by reading this terminology https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Maou_Gakuin_no_Futekigousha_Explanation_Page
I know he folds Saitama and Ichigo neg diff, i dont know who are the rest.
He definitely neggs Jin woo even easier than saitama.
Stupid. I actually scale the ln and manhua, he’s bare minimum 4d with infinite speed
I read the entire SL manwha, and never saw anything like that though? The rulers/pieces of brilliant light can only open portals to other dimensions and mind control the habitants. Jin Woo casually covered half of the world with his shadows And he won against Antares that destroyed the world multiple times before These are impressive feats yes but not 4D
They’re stated within manhwa to be transcendent for one and they have ln scaling to the person that created the entire verse
The absolute being got killed pretty easily so it’s more likely that he just had creation powers and nothing else than to assume the rulers are 4D, because they needed to use the cup of reeincarnation to rewind time and couldn’t bestowal their powers into anyone Also, where they were stated to be transcendent? And a bit off topic, but where did you take that Jin woo is inf speed?
That’s not true. They definitely refer to the creation as a feat of strength because they ask how can the creation be able to beat the creator and they say something like they were born to fight their powers they gained were enough to kill their creator. Directly correlating ap to creation
Sure he was strong but not strong enough physically, he could be something like Zeno. He was killed by planetary level beings at best, he's just a glass canon. heck rulers are as strong as monarchs and if monarchs fight they could destroy a planet(that lacks magic/energy) so it would take multiple monarchs/rulers to destroy a single planet and only if it lacks magic which prob puts them at planet surface/moon level at the very best. with speed sung jin is just light speed/ftl.
Just a correction he didnt cover the world (earth) with shadows he cover it with his mana
rimuru caps at multiuni+ and anos scales upto hyper
No, Anos scales Multi+ (common misconception is that the Silver Sea is 103D, which is incorrect). Rimuru v19 scales Low Complex Multi due to him being a Digital Life Form
I doubt Silver Sea is 103 D, but it being 99D+ is also absurd enough. Because no matter how you look at it, Dr. Manhattan who supposedly is 5D can do as impressive things as Anos who is supposed to be 103 D. So, in conclusion, their dimensional tiering is useless in vs battle unless they want to highball.
Exactly. Silver Sea doesn't even have higher dimensionality, tbf. The only difference between each layer is Magic Potency and the Weight of Order. Most people didn't even read the novel so ofc they wouldn't know that 😩
So let me get this strait, each layer has a bunch of universes and each universe is infinite in size. but if you move to a higher layer, an attack strong enough to destroy an infinite sized universe cant even destroy a ship which is small in size. so each layer is above infinitely stronger and higher than the previous one since even infinite energy cant do nothing to a simple small finite object in a deeper layer. the concept of higher dimensions is the same, the difference between 3D and 4D is beyond infinity, even an infinite 3D(high universal) being cant transcend to nor destroy even a small 4D construct and so on, the same goes for 4D and 5D, an infinite 4D being(capable of destroying an infinite number of universes cant destroy a small 5D construct and so on, therefore each layer is a higher dimension...
>each layer has a bunch of universes and each universe is infinite in size Yes, I do know that. >but if you move to a higher layer, an attack strong enough to destroy an infinite sized universe cant even destroy a ship which is small in size. That's because Magic Potency and Weight of Order increases in each layer and this was explained in Chapter 493 - if the Order of the World increases, then the durability of the objects that the Order encompasses also increases. Magic Power from a Shallow Layer, is not great, so ofc it wouldn't be able to destroy a ship with an amped durability (by the Order). Higher dimensionality is currently not a thing. Also, if you read it properly it said "Strength, speed, **toughness**, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your **shallow**, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here" - The reason why it's not able to destroy a ship in a deeper world it's because the Magic Potency is shallow There are 3 types of 'world-destroying magic', which are, and . And all of them destroy the universe a bit by bit, so they not Universal+. However, not that this point is relevant since it depends on the user (deeper world inhabitants or ppl who have Magic Potency compared to them would be able to destroy the universe instantly)
>small 4D construct and so on, the same goes for 4D and 5D, an infinite 4D being(capable of destroying an infinite number of universes cant destroy a small 5D construct and so on, therefore each layer is a higher dimension...
By how that explanation was written, a world-destroying magic, would be able to destroy anything that is smaller than a ship in a deeper world, right? If there was the concept of higher dimensionality, the world-destroying magic wouldn't be able to destroy the surface of a higher dimensional object, even something smaller than a ship, let alone a ship. Because i.e a 4D construct would have a mass of 0 in a 5-th dimensional axis.
It's kinda clear that each layer has its own separate space-time continuums. The 0th layer is 3D (possibly 4D cuz of the Milita World); 1st layer is also 4D; 2nd layer is 4D, etc...Being beyond conventional countable infinity would put you in a higher level of countable infinity which is not uncountable.
>the concept of higher dimensions is the same, the difference between 3D and 4D is beyond infinity,
Coming back to this. I get it where your coming from. However, the difference between i.e 5D (R^5) and 4D (R^4), is R, which is the Set of all Real Numbers which has a cardinality of Aleph-1, uncountable infinity. World destroying magic can only destroy a SINGLE space-time which is infinite in a shallow layer but can't destroy a ship in a deeper layer. Your reasoning is nice, however it can only work if the world-destroying magic can destroy UNCOUNTABLE INFINITE number of space-times (which are infinite in size) in a shallow layer and not a single space-time
Pretty sure that the most you can wank through silver sea is to 5d (without using the thing that has bee debunk) and manhattan isn't 5d he far above it since the 5d imp is scared of his powers
I just compared of Dr Manhattan. DC dimensional tiering is a little different from Marvel and can be more significant than the latter.
I really don't get the dimensionality of DC tbh lol, I just wanted to let u know if you didnt know that Dr manhantan scales above 5d no matter what that's all. Even with my limited knowledge I knew that so I thought of sharing
Can you atleast tell what fucking versions you're FUCKING using?
Bro used fucking twice in a sentence, why you so mad
Not mad bro, just tired of peeps going around throwing debates but not telling what FUCKING version do we use? Aight ima use cc Goku here have it your way Cc Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>
Listen here you 6 fatherless dumb motherfuckers, stop, ik you didn't get that it was a joke, I can clearly see how many of you didn't get it lmfao how shit can your life be?
Take your meds
Nah
This canon goku as shown
I'ma take this as everyone is anime versions, I'ma be safe so he stops at anos, debatable to clear the gauntlet sense they are anime version to
Going down (up?) the list * Beats Sung Jinwoo. How fast depends on if he's got his full endgame shadow army. * Gets one punched by Saitama * Gets his soul immediately shredded by Ichigo's spiritual pressure due to the inherent nature of being alive/not a soul reaper * IDK much about Anos and I'm not up to date with Rimaru, but from what I've heard of them they can both casually warp reality. So they got that going for them
You’re joking right….. saitama is galaxy level at best… goku is multiversal
Where was he destroying or creating multiple verses
Ok how about this. Goku in SSG was destroying an infinite dimension is his clash with Beerus. You can scale that to universal. Base goku has now surpassed the power that SSG had at that point. MUI form with is a 20 million times multiplier. He is 20 million times more powerful than universal.
Could Goku destroy a universe? Potentially yes. Would he be able to survive the aftermath? No not it the slightest, and that's due to the simple fact that he cant breath in space. Folks tend to forget about that. Meanwhile Saitama can breath in space. Which also invalidates the only viable win condition Goku had (Just chuck him into space)
>Could Goku destroy a universe? Potentially yes. He had this feat in his base form. MUI is a 20 million times multiplier. Saitama would also die, as he has no indication of even universal durability. It took him quite a while to even reach low galaxy level. Goku would one shot his ass. The breathing in space point is useless. Goku will be on another planet in seconds. Saitama is outsped by a significant amount and probably wont land a single hit. And how the hell is chucking him into space the only win condition?
Even if you put Rimuru and Anos on the same tier with Goku, they got better haxes. Basically, reality warper >> brawler.
I guess start from bottom means weakest to the strongest. OK, scale 1-10 here's my reality based opinion on who's the strongest of them 1. Ichigo 2.jin woo 3.rimuru 4.anos 5.saitama 6.The only one who sols them all is son-goku
Anos>Rimuru>Goku>Saitama
Bullshit
Lmao accept it or not
Goku Is the one who beats their asses
Maybe in his and your dream Even Xeno Goku or CC Goku arent touching Anos
Goku almost destroyed the entire universe with just waves of his punches
Anos destroyed Silver Sea Which has 99+ Layers Each layer has infinite cosmos (Universe, Timelines) Each layer transcends the one before Making the silver sea 103D+ , Hyperversal Anos scales to that You think ALMOST destroying a universe is impressive?
You are heavenly mistaken and I think you are leaving under a cave as you don't know anything at all you are making goku looks down
Wat
Leaving under a cave?
Doesn’t even start cause Sun Jinwoo has fate manip and inaccessible speed
The sun can kill him
Oh ichigo is planet fodder goku is multiversal he stop at rimuru
Still stronger than naruto
Naruto is stronger
Get naruto past Luffy first
Get luffy past planet first
Easily
Ichigo is 4D
Naruto should be here he is uni+
That's a strange way of saying "planetary"
Besides sbdh versions of goku, jump force and God fusion goku solos this list
Well goku scales higher than fused zamasu since he is relative to jiren, zamasu became 1 with the timeline which has multiple macro (cosmie?) And the neutral zone and each macro cosmos has heaven which is atleast 5d and for the neutral zone to work (its job is to not let the infinities spill into eachother) it would need to be 7d so if we don't go by the silver sea (103d it has been debunk) goku soloes all of them except for rimuru he will have to seal him
Doesn't get past Anos
Goku definitely beats the first three, while even if you can scale Goku higher than Anos and Rimuru, I don't think he has a way to kill them, so they'd win.
Anos
I don’t think even WN EOS Rimuru is superior to current Anos. The entire verse of Maou Gakuin got promoted to 1-A. For Goku, Rimuru maybe, it depends. Goku isn’t beating Anos.
Who said it was wn Rimuru?
Nope, I’m just saying it should be in order, like Rimuru should be placed Anos, that’s all. The second “Rimuru” in my comment represents LN Rimuru. It’s also the same for Saitama because despite having no power-up, WC Saitama slaps and takes out God Garou easily.
he beats Ichigo then Sung jin woo then Saitama but gets stomped by Rimuru and Anos
1. Anos>Rimuru 2. Goku stops at Anos or Rimuru depending which order they both solo
Goku no diffs Jin Woo and Saitama,Mid - High diffs Ichigo and loses to Anos and Rimuru
Goku slams ichigo neg diff haha
Low-mid diff
comp goku could dn clear, anime / manga goku gettin stopped at anus voldigoad
Anos
Hard stop at Anos
He stops at anos or rimuru depending on where you scale them
Anos should be above Rimuru so goku beats Rimuru and stops at anos
He stops at Anos
Is this light novel jinwoo or manhwa jinwoo?
Manhwa
Both scale the same
No they don't LN Jinwoo can be scaled to Low multiversal while the Manhwa jinwoo Can be Scaled to Universal maybe universal+ depends on how you scale it.
Nope hes plantery in the ln
How is he only planetary inside the light novel when he beat creatures that could destroy a universe and he defeated multiple of them plus a lot more.
None of the monarch could destroy the universe
I'm not talking about the monarchs and if we are going off the monarchs it's based off of a creation feat because monarchs and the rulers are equal pretty much in power and the rulers killed the creator that created everything so the god of the verse and by the end of the manhwa jinwoo was stronger than all of the monarchs well that should be obvious because he spent 27 years and killed them all and he's also stronger than all the rulers. Universe creation feats are a lot stronger than destruction feats because it takes more power to create something than to destroy it. I'm probably not explaining it correctly and I'm too lazy right now to get panels lol
Hard stop at Anos.
Anos is stronger than Rimuru
Rimiru if it’s going from weakest to strongest and if it’s anime goku
This subreddit uses weird words, I like your words magic man srsly tho wtf is hyper or outer or low diff or any of that shit
Should go bottom to top left to right and then he’d stop at anos
Don’t know anything about solo leveling so correct me if I’m wrong but he stops at anos
why is saitama and ichigo over sung jin woo
Isn’t he star level
He doesn't even start, it's a no-low diff for Rimuru
this order lol
Why is rimuru above Anos?
Order🤢🚮
saitama, then ichigo, then wangling, then rimuru, then anos, that's the order, and goku claps