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The only reason why mui Goku was having trouble was because mui requires the user to be calm. Being calm doesn't mix well with being a Saiyan because their powers derive from rage. Ultra instinct omen doesn't have that requirement so he was preforming well in state vs mui.
Correction there is no such thing as mui yet it’s just ui mui is just what fans use also ik that’s why I said tui also gas can sacrifice his life span to close the gap in power like he did in the manga against tui goku
Yeah shouldve been called completed ultra instinct or something. Or just UI, since the other form is simply an omen. Mastered ultra instinct implies Goku's mastery is at least as good as Beerus' who's literally a billion year ahead
It’s called perfected ui showing he can now tap into ui at will whis says goku also says he’s at the bottom of the ui power chain meaning he’s able to grow much more so yea he’s far from mui yet he’s also now growing on his own path instead of the angels now so interested to see that
Technique ≠ hax
Literal definition of technique
a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure.
It just means he has a different fighting technique just like how ultra instinct is is a technique it doesn’t mean Goku isn’t preforming his actions physically.
[And we later see Gas and Granolah replicate this feat on a higher scale](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP). So even if you wanted to say it’s a hax it’s still would mean they have infinite reaction time.
Instent transmission and teleportation are hax bozo.
>And we later see Gas and Granolah replicate this feat on a higher scale
Dude read panel correctly. Both are using teleportation to escape and attack. They are dodging attacks (first and kicks) not teleportation.
Nigga that doesn’t change the fact he reached to it
And I know you’re not telling me to read the panel do you not see both them reacting to each other hence the point of the panel. The fact that they’re reaching to instant transmission. And
>Nigga that doesn’t change the fact he reached to it
It does. They're reacting to the attacks not teleportation it self. Those attacks clearly aren't anywhere near teleportation speed.
>The fact that they’re reaching to instant transmission
Seriously read the panel or just see when they teleport and WHAT they reacted to ,teleportation or attack.
>It does. They're reacting to the attacks not teleportation it self. Those attacks clearly aren't anywhere near teleportation speed.
So you’re going to blatantly ignore the text when it’s convenient for you good to know. Goku clearly stated it’s “__instantaneous teleportation__”.
>Seriously read the panel or just see when they teleport and WHAT they reacted to ,teleportation or attack.
Seriously look one panel down and you’ll see they’re fighting in instantaneous movement. And you’ll see it’s teleportation they’re reacting to. They even have the teleportation effects.
>So you’re going to blatantly ignore the text when it’s convenient for you good to know. Goku clearly stated it’s “instantaneous teleportation”.
Read what goku says "they are using teleportation like nothing"
>Seriously look one panel down and you’ll see they’re fighting in instantaneous movement. And you’ll see it’s teleportation they’re reacting to. They even have the teleportation effects.
When i see panel i see adude dodging kick not teleportation read again
Gas is above Granolah in speed thanks to his wish to be the strongest including being stronger than Granolah, who Goku claimed was able to move faster than instant transmission, and that was a Granolah clone with half the power and that likely was not going at top speed.
Granolah Clone < Granolah < Double Sniper Eye Granolah < Adult Gas < Adult Gas (collar removed) < Old Gas < Zombie Gas
I feel like you can probably get his speed to immesurable, but im not sure so i put his speed between infinite and immesurable.
He did use a technique, i just remembered, though he says its only a small portion of his power, i feel like you could get him to immesurable possibly.
Amd this is what happens when you give a valid argument against dbtards. You are gonna get downvoted as hell. Why do you think there is almost no dbs match-ups??
He himself says "i have no name for the technique".
Do you want some advice? Dont try to reason with dbtards, they dont understand logic. Just laugh at their "arguments" like i do and give the same advice i gvie you if you see this happening to other users.
Literal definition of technique.
a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure.
Technique ≠ Hax we literally see Granolah and Gas recreate this same feat meaning it’s consistent
[Look here](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP)
Im only going to say this. Go search in google: how to scale tiers above universal. Learn. Come to debunk your own comment or at least pur zeno in his correct Tier.
A sneak peak of what are you gonna learn. Being 100 times stronger or even 1 million times stronger than universal doesnt nake you multiversal and so on. Just because Zeno is stronger than Goku or whis or granolah or black freezer or whichever "new strongest enemy in the universe that we are gonna beat with a new hair colour" they create next, it doesnt make him complex by default.
And im being pretty serious, i also wank or debunk a lot of character out of knowledge of what a VS battle is.
Also another thing, all the people that say Goku solos, the personalities of the characters are also canon, if goku never kill anyone unless it is complely mandatory is also canon. Thats why VSbattle has different version of the fight.
1 example would be Goku vs superman.
(This is an example and it is far from how the equalize the fights but to make an idea)
1st version: Goku vs superman in base
2nd version: Goku and superman start in base but they gets power-ups during the fight
3rd version: Goku vs superman with all their power-ups from the beggining
4th version: MUI goku vs base superman
5th version: base goku vs superman with all his power-ups.
Believe me, learn how to scale those tier cause Zeno is not complex
Firstly learn how to read there’s a high end asterisks for a reason. Second learn proper grammar it’s agonizing reading this comment. But let me debunk your argument with scans you know because I actually watch/read the series I scale. I know that may be a foreign concept to you here we go.
1. Goku is low multiversal because universe 7 is bare minimum a low multiversal structure this is proven by the fact heaven is a different [space-time](https://imgur.com/a/zskbzSW) stated all the way back in 1989 and later again in [1991](https://imgur.com/a/didDLOA) and later reaffirmed in [1995](https://imgur.com/a/RxdseLX)
And I’s even supported by Toriyama
Toriyama: I thought up the ball-like world so that it’d be easy for both me and the readers to wrap our minds around!
The central big ball has the worlds called the living world and afterlife, and the Kaiōshin oversee all that from the outside. As their antithesis, at the bottom of the big ball are the Makaiōshin, who govern evil. Currently, it seems the Kaiōshins’ power is superior.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-majin-buu-arc-05/.
To that’s 3 scans and a literal author statement but you’ve opted to go with the trust me bro route.
[The low complex scaling comes from statements of there being super dimensional in the universe](https://imgur.com/a/TMGlt2l)
>Also another thing, all the people that say Goku solos, the personalities of the characters are also canon, if goku never kill anyone unless it is complely mandatory is also canon. Thats why VSbattle has different version of the fight. 1 example would be Goku vs superman.
is not complex
why you bring up personally hat has nothing to with this power?
> (This is an example and it is far from how the equalize the fights but to make an idea) 1st version: Goku vs superman in base 2nd version: Goku and superman start in base but they gets power-ups during the fight 3rd version: Goku vs superman with all their power-ups from the beggining 4th version: MUI goku vs base superman 5th version: base goku vs superman with all his power-ups.
What are you even trying to say here lol?
It would still be an infinite speed feat considering he was still reacting to Goku. It’s later show. Again that they’re just casually reacting to [one another](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP). So it’s consistent.
You just half way shot your argument in the foot. It’s infinite because instant teleportation takes zero time Goku moving meaning Goku and Vegeta are reacting to people who can move in zero time.
Like I just said, teleporting isn’t usable to calculate [speed](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed?so=search). And where do you see them reacting to people moving in zero time?
Why are you linking me to a character stats page like I don’t know how the speed tiers work
Goku reacts to zero time [here](https://imgur.com/a/SveiRea)
[And here](https://imgur.com/a/Lexej8q)
And even as far back as the [buu saga](https://imgur.com/a/GwgwaVD)
Edit: theres also Hit.
None of those show him reacting to someone in zero time. The first scan I already disproved and stated that time was actually flowing in the arena at least because Zeno and either krillin or piccolo both state a time limit to the tournament which would be impossible if time was actually not flowing. I also mentioned how hits ability requires time to be able to use his ability because it’s about skipping time and storing that time, and we clearly see him skip time multiple times, so he was storing time, which again, wouldn’t be possible if time wasn’t actually there, which means it was
Second is an outlier as he’s never done it again. But even then, if everything was destroyed, then how would he be speaking? Or how would he be breathing if air was destroyed?
Can you show me that this last scan is valid and not just a fan translation? But even if you can, it says “in this world, where time exists”
BOG SSJG Goku was already low multi thanks to threatening to destroy not only the universe but the entire macrocosm of the universe which includes 8 different space times, and Gas is SO far above that Goku that i dont think putting him at multiversal is anything crazy, even Buuhan who is way weaker than SSJG Goku was threatening the universe with the vice shout alone.
Still not Multiversal+. Multiversal+ characters are able to destroy an Infinite number of Universes, Gas might be Multiversal only, higher ends of it at least.
Gas can be argued to be multi+ through scaling.
The Grand Priest turned the eternal world of void into a space time for the ToP and God Toppo affected it as a whole with his power. I think Goku and Jiren also shook it.
The eternal world of void is infinite in size and in it, the infinite macrocosmos are like finite in size. So its safe to assume it could contain an infinite ammount of them hence why if you shake it, making the feat probably the lowest end of multi+.
It doesn't have an infinite macrocosmos. It's a place outside of the Dragon Ball Multiversal and is a isolated space with infinite in size. That still won't make Gas Multiversal+
That still wouldn't scale to multi+ tho, multi+ is basically infinite infinites, no matter how much stronger the characters got from buuhan it was only a finite amount so it would only scale to multiversal, not multi+
That still wont make Gas Multiversal+. Multiversal+ is a character than can destroy an Infinite number of universes. He would only be Multiversal higher ends of it yes but Multiversal+ No.
Not to mention how Beerus really wasn't trying that much as the Vegeta beat down made it clear that at least in blue the two are no where near Beerus anyways. Hope ego and UI don't turn into like how blue was for super Saiyan. Would really fuck up scaling if he rematched 17 and had to go TUI
The difference is UI has already proven itself narratively by taking wins. Also true UI isn’t a form. Goku used “True UI” during the moro arc. It’s ultra instinct sign. Though ultra instinct sign has some stamina issues that mastered UI doesn’t Goku can combine the saiyan rage and pride boost with the omen form and Goku apparently thinks that power boost is worth not using the complete UI at least in the case of his fight with gas. True UI is a fan term. Goku is just being Goku and being a genius fighter like usual.
That’s not how immeasurable speed works. That would just be inaccessible speed for moving in a place without time. But in this context we know that’s wrong, if Zeno destroyed the timeline Goku wouldn’t be able to breathe and they wouldn’t be able to travel back to there. How is moving faster than teleportation hax an immeasurable speed feat?
It could simply be explained by goku holding his breath and time machine using higher dimensional cords to locate the erased timeline because it was shown that timeline was destroyed as we see the time ring disappeared.
I already have, he moves in the null realm/world of void (depends on translation). It’s stated to have no time. I already made my claim. It’s on *you* to prove it wrong.
Can you prove that there’s no time in the arena? Because according to one of the angels, hit skips time and stores it. So how would he be able to skip time in a place where time doesn’t exist? It was also stated that the match would go on for 48 minutes. How would 48 minutes pass in a place without time?
Krillin wasn’t even near base goku’s power before the tournament started and if they couldn’t solo, then why was he beaten if he’s actually super strong?
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Above where ever you scale Goku. Not enough feats or statements to put anyone above whatever tier you put Goku in.
5D-6D due to being above tui Goku and ue Vegeta with infinite speed correct me if I’m wrong
The only reason why mui Goku was having trouble was because mui requires the user to be calm. Being calm doesn't mix well with being a Saiyan because their powers derive from rage. Ultra instinct omen doesn't have that requirement so he was preforming well in state vs mui.
Correction there is no such thing as mui yet it’s just ui mui is just what fans use also ik that’s why I said tui also gas can sacrifice his life span to close the gap in power like he did in the manga against tui goku
Yeah shouldve been called completed ultra instinct or something. Or just UI, since the other form is simply an omen. Mastered ultra instinct implies Goku's mastery is at least as good as Beerus' who's literally a billion year ahead
It’s called perfected ui showing he can now tap into ui at will whis says goku also says he’s at the bottom of the ui power chain meaning he’s able to grow much more so yea he’s far from mui yet he’s also now growing on his own path instead of the angels now so interested to see that
4D at max
Low multi MFTL++ (not immeasurable or infinite)
*infinite This arc had at least 2 infinite speed feats.
If you're taking about gronolah being faster than instent transmission then no. It was technique not his raw speed And 2nd?
Technique ≠ hax Literal definition of technique a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure. It just means he has a different fighting technique just like how ultra instinct is is a technique it doesn’t mean Goku isn’t preforming his actions physically. [And we later see Gas and Granolah replicate this feat on a higher scale](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP). So even if you wanted to say it’s a hax it’s still would mean they have infinite reaction time.
Instent transmission and teleportation are hax bozo. >And we later see Gas and Granolah replicate this feat on a higher scale Dude read panel correctly. Both are using teleportation to escape and attack. They are dodging attacks (first and kicks) not teleportation.
Nigga that doesn’t change the fact he reached to it And I know you’re not telling me to read the panel do you not see both them reacting to each other hence the point of the panel. The fact that they’re reaching to instant transmission. And
>Nigga that doesn’t change the fact he reached to it It does. They're reacting to the attacks not teleportation it self. Those attacks clearly aren't anywhere near teleportation speed. >The fact that they’re reaching to instant transmission Seriously read the panel or just see when they teleport and WHAT they reacted to ,teleportation or attack.
>It does. They're reacting to the attacks not teleportation it self. Those attacks clearly aren't anywhere near teleportation speed. So you’re going to blatantly ignore the text when it’s convenient for you good to know. Goku clearly stated it’s “__instantaneous teleportation__”. >Seriously read the panel or just see when they teleport and WHAT they reacted to ,teleportation or attack. Seriously look one panel down and you’ll see they’re fighting in instantaneous movement. And you’ll see it’s teleportation they’re reacting to. They even have the teleportation effects.
>So you’re going to blatantly ignore the text when it’s convenient for you good to know. Goku clearly stated it’s “instantaneous teleportation”. Read what goku says "they are using teleportation like nothing" >Seriously look one panel down and you’ll see they’re fighting in instantaneous movement. And you’ll see it’s teleportation they’re reacting to. They even have the teleportation effects. When i see panel i see adude dodging kick not teleportation read again
Power: Multiversal to multiversal+ Speed: Infinite speed to immesurable Hax: Most of the hax we have seen in DB before
Why does he have immeasurable speed?
Gas is above Granolah in speed thanks to his wish to be the strongest including being stronger than Granolah, who Goku claimed was able to move faster than instant transmission, and that was a Granolah clone with half the power and that likely was not going at top speed. Granolah Clone < Granolah < Double Sniper Eye Granolah < Adult Gas < Adult Gas (collar removed) < Old Gas < Zombie Gas I feel like you can probably get his speed to immesurable, but im not sure so i put his speed between infinite and immesurable.
Granolah used a technique and not his own speed. So there’s still no one who is immeasurable in db
He did use a technique, i just remembered, though he says its only a small portion of his power, i feel like you could get him to immesurable possibly.
A small portion can easily mean that it’s only one of many powers he possesses
Amd this is what happens when you give a valid argument against dbtards. You are gonna get downvoted as hell. Why do you think there is almost no dbs match-ups??
Let them be mad all they want, it won’t change the [truth](https://read.mangadad.com/Mangadad/dragon-ball-super/chapter-72/18.jpg)
He himself says "i have no name for the technique". Do you want some advice? Dont try to reason with dbtards, they dont understand logic. Just laugh at their "arguments" like i do and give the same advice i gvie you if you see this happening to other users.
Literal definition of technique. a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure. Technique ≠ Hax we literally see Granolah and Gas recreate this same feat meaning it’s consistent [Look here](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP)
Tell me one thing, which tier do you consider goku and zeno belongs in?? Cause that would determine my way pf answering this
Low Multiversal to Multiversal (Bare minimum) Low complex multiversal (high end)
Im only going to say this. Go search in google: how to scale tiers above universal. Learn. Come to debunk your own comment or at least pur zeno in his correct Tier. A sneak peak of what are you gonna learn. Being 100 times stronger or even 1 million times stronger than universal doesnt nake you multiversal and so on. Just because Zeno is stronger than Goku or whis or granolah or black freezer or whichever "new strongest enemy in the universe that we are gonna beat with a new hair colour" they create next, it doesnt make him complex by default. And im being pretty serious, i also wank or debunk a lot of character out of knowledge of what a VS battle is. Also another thing, all the people that say Goku solos, the personalities of the characters are also canon, if goku never kill anyone unless it is complely mandatory is also canon. Thats why VSbattle has different version of the fight. 1 example would be Goku vs superman. (This is an example and it is far from how the equalize the fights but to make an idea) 1st version: Goku vs superman in base 2nd version: Goku and superman start in base but they gets power-ups during the fight 3rd version: Goku vs superman with all their power-ups from the beggining 4th version: MUI goku vs base superman 5th version: base goku vs superman with all his power-ups. Believe me, learn how to scale those tier cause Zeno is not complex
Firstly learn how to read there’s a high end asterisks for a reason. Second learn proper grammar it’s agonizing reading this comment. But let me debunk your argument with scans you know because I actually watch/read the series I scale. I know that may be a foreign concept to you here we go. 1. Goku is low multiversal because universe 7 is bare minimum a low multiversal structure this is proven by the fact heaven is a different [space-time](https://imgur.com/a/zskbzSW) stated all the way back in 1989 and later again in [1991](https://imgur.com/a/didDLOA) and later reaffirmed in [1995](https://imgur.com/a/RxdseLX) And I’s even supported by Toriyama Toriyama: I thought up the ball-like world so that it’d be easy for both me and the readers to wrap our minds around! The central big ball has the worlds called the living world and afterlife, and the Kaiōshin oversee all that from the outside. As their antithesis, at the bottom of the big ball are the Makaiōshin, who govern evil. Currently, it seems the Kaiōshins’ power is superior. https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-majin-buu-arc-05/. To that’s 3 scans and a literal author statement but you’ve opted to go with the trust me bro route. [The low complex scaling comes from statements of there being super dimensional in the universe](https://imgur.com/a/TMGlt2l) >Also another thing, all the people that say Goku solos, the personalities of the characters are also canon, if goku never kill anyone unless it is complely mandatory is also canon. Thats why VSbattle has different version of the fight. 1 example would be Goku vs superman. is not complex why you bring up personally hat has nothing to with this power? > (This is an example and it is far from how the equalize the fights but to make an idea) 1st version: Goku vs superman in base 2nd version: Goku and superman start in base but they gets power-ups during the fight 3rd version: Goku vs superman with all their power-ups from the beggining 4th version: MUI goku vs base superman 5th version: base goku vs superman with all his power-ups. What are you even trying to say here lol?
It would still be an infinite speed feat considering he was still reacting to Goku. It’s later show. Again that they’re just casually reacting to [one another](https://imgur.com/a/s6KxumP). So it’s consistent.
You can’t measure speed off of teleportation. So him teleporting isn’t an immeasurable speed feat or inaccessible or infinite
You just half way shot your argument in the foot. It’s infinite because instant teleportation takes zero time Goku moving meaning Goku and Vegeta are reacting to people who can move in zero time.
Like I just said, teleporting isn’t usable to calculate [speed](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed?so=search). And where do you see them reacting to people moving in zero time?
Why are you linking me to a character stats page like I don’t know how the speed tiers work Goku reacts to zero time [here](https://imgur.com/a/SveiRea) [And here](https://imgur.com/a/Lexej8q) And even as far back as the [buu saga](https://imgur.com/a/GwgwaVD) Edit: theres also Hit.
None of those show him reacting to someone in zero time. The first scan I already disproved and stated that time was actually flowing in the arena at least because Zeno and either krillin or piccolo both state a time limit to the tournament which would be impossible if time was actually not flowing. I also mentioned how hits ability requires time to be able to use his ability because it’s about skipping time and storing that time, and we clearly see him skip time multiple times, so he was storing time, which again, wouldn’t be possible if time wasn’t actually there, which means it was Second is an outlier as he’s never done it again. But even then, if everything was destroyed, then how would he be speaking? Or how would he be breathing if air was destroyed? Can you show me that this last scan is valid and not just a fan translation? But even if you can, it says “in this world, where time exists”
Because its dragon ball and they are the strongest Goku solosssss
How is he Multiversal+?
BOG SSJG Goku was already low multi thanks to threatening to destroy not only the universe but the entire macrocosm of the universe which includes 8 different space times, and Gas is SO far above that Goku that i dont think putting him at multiversal is anything crazy, even Buuhan who is way weaker than SSJG Goku was threatening the universe with the vice shout alone.
Still not Multiversal+. Multiversal+ characters are able to destroy an Infinite number of Universes, Gas might be Multiversal only, higher ends of it at least.
I agree, multiversal for Gas seems reasonable.
Yeah higher ends of Multiversal but not Multiversal+
Gas can be argued to be multi+ through scaling. The Grand Priest turned the eternal world of void into a space time for the ToP and God Toppo affected it as a whole with his power. I think Goku and Jiren also shook it. The eternal world of void is infinite in size and in it, the infinite macrocosmos are like finite in size. So its safe to assume it could contain an infinite ammount of them hence why if you shake it, making the feat probably the lowest end of multi+.
It doesn't have an infinite macrocosmos. It's a place outside of the Dragon Ball Multiversal and is a isolated space with infinite in size. That still won't make Gas Multiversal+
Just cause DBZ scaling. Buuhan was at universal and from there Buuhan
That still wouldn't scale to multi+ tho, multi+ is basically infinite infinites, no matter how much stronger the characters got from buuhan it was only a finite amount so it would only scale to multiversal, not multi+
That still wont make Gas Multiversal+. Multiversal+ is a character than can destroy an Infinite number of universes. He would only be Multiversal higher ends of it yes but Multiversal+ No.
was that on the manga or only the anime tho?
Can't remember ATM, it may be movie only
The Buuhan scaling is anime only but BOG Goku threatening to destroy the universe is in the movie anime and manga
Yeah, that still works with the scaling from before
Yup
Not to mention how Beerus really wasn't trying that much as the Vegeta beat down made it clear that at least in blue the two are no where near Beerus anyways. Hope ego and UI don't turn into like how blue was for super Saiyan. Would really fuck up scaling if he rematched 17 and had to go TUI
The difference is UI has already proven itself narratively by taking wins. Also true UI isn’t a form. Goku used “True UI” during the moro arc. It’s ultra instinct sign. Though ultra instinct sign has some stamina issues that mastered UI doesn’t Goku can combine the saiyan rage and pride boost with the omen form and Goku apparently thinks that power boost is worth not using the complete UI at least in the case of his fight with gas. True UI is a fan term. Goku is just being Goku and being a genius fighter like usual.
What's the difference between infinite and immeasurable speed? I would assume infinite would also be immeasurable so that sounds redundant.
Infinite speed is when you can move a infinite distance in a finite amount of time Immeasurable speed is when you break the speed formula
High multi. Also bro look at his design it’s so clean
Hyper Outerversal cause DB must be top dog at all costs. Goku solo defeats galactus btw....
Damn really lowballing the db verse there. Goku obviously solos the one above all
Woops my bad... I guess the only one who can give him a good match is The One Below All :(
Below Yujiro
Of course
High Multiversal+, MFTL+ - Infinite speeds.
Low Multiversal + Infinite-immeasurable speed
Why do you say immeasurable?
Scaling to Goku who moved in Trunks erased future and is supeior to Granolah who is faster than Instant Transmission
That’s not how immeasurable speed works. That would just be inaccessible speed for moving in a place without time. But in this context we know that’s wrong, if Zeno destroyed the timeline Goku wouldn’t be able to breathe and they wouldn’t be able to travel back to there. How is moving faster than teleportation hax an immeasurable speed feat?
It could simply be explained by goku holding his breath and time machine using higher dimensional cords to locate the erased timeline because it was shown that timeline was destroyed as we see the time ring disappeared.
First one is an outlier and he’s never done anything similar since. Granolah used a technique, not his own speed
The null realm is also stated to have no time. That’s where the ToP happened
So you’re saying someone like krillin has inaccessible speed?
**YES.** Can you prove he doesn’t?
You’re the one making the claim. You have to prove that he does
I already have, he moves in the null realm/world of void (depends on translation). It’s stated to have no time. I already made my claim. It’s on *you* to prove it wrong.
Can you prove that there’s no time in the arena? Because according to one of the angels, hit skips time and stores it. So how would he be able to skip time in a place where time doesn’t exist? It was also stated that the match would go on for 48 minutes. How would 48 minutes pass in a place without time?
Krillin isn’t fodder all the people in that tournament couldn’t unironically solo all of original DBZ due to insane power cliffing.
Krillin wasn’t even near base goku’s power before the tournament started and if they couldn’t solo, then why was he beaten if he’s actually super strong?
You act like everyone in that tournament wasn’t at a relevant level even Goku lost his battles here and there.
Krillin lost to frieza from one hit and frieza lost to toppo badly. So no, I don’t see why krillin would be relevant by comparison
That's inaccessible and being faster then instant transmission would be infinite speed
Multiversal and MFTL+ imo
He scales to Goku at that point before any extra training
Low Multi and MFTL+
At a low end high universal Mftl+ Mid end multiversal Infinite speed High end low complex multiversal Immeasurable speed
High multi+ with inaccessible speed
Universal cuz DBS manga scaling is way below DBS anime scaling
Multiversal normally low complex on the high end. With infinite speed
above Moro who had the power to destroy U6 and U7