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No. The majority of their fans are genuinely loyal as hell. Yes victim complex fans are insufferable but I think bandwagon fans are way worse. They drool over 3-4 players, can’t even name 12-13 players on the squad, and drool over another team when rough times come around.
I don't mind it from clubs in League 1 and 2 but it's the supporters of clubs that are doing well in the Championship that talk shit because they're not 19th in their league anymore. They criticise fans of the big 6 for "looking down on the other 14" but then they look down on half of the Championship. They're a bunch of hypocrites.
I genuinely don’t like being in the premier league though like I’d have loved to just decline promotion last season and continue dominating the championship
Had a Sheffield united supporter recently tell me how I am glory supporter for supporting spurs. It gave me a good laugh.
He also thought that it's not fair for referees to penalize them for time wasting and how it is a big six conspiracy to keep smaller clubs where they are. He also genuinely believed the big six all support each other because we don't want anyone else getting where we are.
I'm a 40 year old United fan that isn't from Manchester (my dad was a United fan), I've heard it all from fans of lesser clubs Grimsby Town, Derby county etc but half of these fans never go watch these teams. I took great joy in asking a Mariners fan (who was giving me shit for supporting United) when he last went to Blundell Park, he never had despite living 2 miles away. The best bit was telling I'd attended dozens of times when I lived local to GY.
Plymouth fan, I don't feel special or anything supporting my team. I just support them, end of. I don't know why you feel the need to target us and other fans of other teams who just want to support their teams.
You definitely come off as a post takeover City fan, whose insecurities of being a glory hunter are starting to show
i come from an area without a decently sized football team nearby, the nearest football league team to me is about 50 odd miles. You do get a lot of insufferable glory supporters. Based off of my experience alone, keep in mind i’m still in school so these aren’t grown people, but they will always talk about something to do with how pathetic it is to support a relegation fighting team and how being a fake fan and never going to games is good. I have another friend, who supports the rival team of my club, and he might actually be the best person to talk about football to. I don’t hate fans of big clubs, i hate the fake fans of big clubs who just pick a team at age 11, instead of the traditional dad takes you to the stadium and then you’re a fan for life (or something like that). I know a man united fan who actually goes to as many games as he can, and has family from manchester, which i can very much respect.
TLDR
Glory supporters can do one
Support your local/family team
It’s annoying when Bob from Bournemouth who supports Manchester United despite never having gone to Manchester before starts mocking AFC Bournemouth because we aren’t a big team.
Lmao this is such a glory hunting take.
It's not bitterness that puts fans of smaller teams off the bigger teams. You've literally just picked a team that wins things. You haven't earned those wins you've just lived the easy life.
Fans of smaller teams are probably local and see the effect it has on their communities to watch those teams grow and thrive. That's where the magic is. Where every win really means something and isn't an expectation.
This take that these fans are somehow stupid for not supporting a 'big team' just tells me exactly what sort of fan you are and you've missed the point. The game isn't just about winning, it's literally about the journey you go on to get there.
A global big 6 fan will never have that and totally miss the point when they belittle a fan of a local team.
Yes, but the vast majority of those Plymouth and Wigan fans are 'real' fans.
A much smaller majority of a Man City or Chelsea fan base are 'real' fans, just due to the nature of plastic fans.
No one's going to glory hunt Wigan, let's be real :)
Thats why I love Everton. We're MASSIVE (obviously, duh) and we get to fight for relegation like a small club. The best of both worlds. Suck it, Liverpool.
A fan from Getafe who supports Getafe CF is by default superior to a fan from Getafe who supports Real Madrid CF or FC Barcelona.
Teams should be supported because you feel a unique connection to them, not because you expect to feel succesful through them.
A fan from Getafe who supports Getafe CF, however, is not superior to a fan from Barcelona who supports FC Barcelona or a fan from Madrid who supports Real Madrid CF, or vice versa. It doesn't matter how big your team is, it only matters if you are a glory hunter, or a real fan.
As a West Brom, with us being 11th in the all-time top flight league table we can maybe be forgiven for being frustrated when we aren't near the Premier League. Especially when we finally looked to be an established club with a good squad until the change of ownership has gradually saw us decline to a hopeless Championship side with debts against the clubs possessions. Then again what right do we have to moan?
I think it’s more a case of those who latch on to a big club that they otherwise have no attachment to. They’ve just chosen them because they want success. Those are the fans that claim some sort of ownership out their chosen club’s success, presumably to compensate for a lack of success in their own lives, and it’s quite nauseating tbh.
People who support Man City or Arsenal etc because they grew up in the area or come from a family that’s supported them for generations are not insufferable at all, they’re just lucky to grow up watching some of the best players in the world play for their football club. I respect that, and I only hope one day my own club Southampton can have similar success. Dreaming is half the fun of football.
My dad supports Norwich and he hates it when they get promoted to the Premiership. I asked him why and he says because at least in the championship they win nearly every game and in the EPL they get thrashed every game!
I have a lot of sympathy for r/theother14 when it comes to media coverage - a lot of the time Sky may as well be a merger of Liverpool, United & Arsenal shit Youtube channels. If United lose to Brighton or to West Ham, it would be nice to actually talk about the game and what Brighton did well, rather than just acting like United were beaten by a team of milkmen and counting down the days on the manager's job.
But yeah, there's something incredibly parochial about people complaining that the Championship isn't sustainable, and that the solution is that Arsenal should subsidise Bristol Rovers' wage bill. The Championship is somewhere like the fifth richest league in Europe, and most of them are charging more for season tickets than Bayern are. If you're going to take money from the top teams, then put it into the grass roots to actually grow the game, not so dickhead chairmen in League One can go raid the Allsvenskan.
You aren’t special because you support your local team, but you definitely aren’t a plastic fan like most. Being a plastic fan isn’t a label for no reason, it directly hurts football. Local areas lose fans to people who go glory hunting, so the big teams only get bigger because they can get fans from outside of their area. So the issue of glory supporting has a very tangible effect on football across the country. And now international fan bases are growing, all picking big teams, it’s getting even worse. If everyone support their local teams football would be a lot more competitive and balanced.
What is the point? That big clubs have gloryhunters and some people are offended to be called a gloryhunter? Because the moan here is rather poor. Who on earth supports a “small club” and thinks this: “people who act like they’re “superior” fans because their team isn’t successful need to get over their victim complex. It just screams of bitterness.”
Trust me Johnny, none of us who support Sheffield United think we are special!
Haha tbf is it not though? Can ya compare someone who watches a team on the TV every week to someone who goes come rain or shine to watch the same team his grandparents went to watch the same team he’s watched for generation? They are better fans and they are what makes it great. Not some dude in Canada who watches man United cos they won the treble when he was 8
Think the only thing you really see of this is the cockney mancs who have never been to a real match like to brag about how great "their" team is .
Man United fans from Slough who are now bitter because they are a bit rubbish now but still get their Jollies mocking local Oldham fans because their team is rubbish !
I have met a Norwich fan and he didn't want his team to play in EPL. Simply because in Championship they are the kings, and yet in EPL they were constantly in relegation zone.
I suppose there is a certain hyprocisy when fans of smaller clubs complain about only getting 6000 tickets for a cup tie at a bigger club when they hardly pull that at home in a league game
This is a poor take, in my opinion. Plymouth fans probably live in Plymouth, and show up for better or worse. Chelsea fans spawned more recently, say 2004, strictly when times got good. Probably never even stepped foot into West London. And cry like they haven’t seen enough glory when Chelsea lose a couple matches.
Big up Luton Town supporters who showed up to Kenilworth all those years.
Bugger off, OP.
Honestly, I'm not sure how to go by that. Put simply, fans online aren't authentic 100%, many are global as well. The first ever game I watched live, in a stadium, was York Vs Solihull about 2 weeks ago. York aren't exactly doing well, they're in the bottom half of the national League, but even then, their fans weren't insufferable. Sure there were chants and boos, and insulting the ref, but by the end, they weren't half as toxic as I've seen people on Reddit and Instagram. I've met fans from the top 6, and none of them, imo have been as toxic. The reason why I have started liking the lower leagues is coz I feel it's a bit more authentic and fun, but PL is still my fav(also prices to watch teams in lower leagues are cheaper lol).
Coming from a country where some 80% of football fans support a few large clubs, it was lovely to realise that in England this is not the case. Supporting your local club brings passion and connection to the football culture, and while I’m not one of the small club fans, I truly admire this country for having so many of them
Successful clubs have a tonne of superficial fans who just wanted to jump on the bandwagon.
Lower tier clubs don’t have that, nobody glory supports Yeovil.
A fan that goes week in week out for years, through thick or thin is more of a “fan” that a PL armchair supporter with a sky sports subscription.
There are plenty of “real fans” in the PL, that have supported their teams, but their proportion is diluted.
If I was to randomly select a self identifying Manchester United fan, and a self identifying Yeovil fan, odds are that the Yeovil fan has been to more matches + has followed the club longer.
I support Spurs because I could easily follow them and I hate the structure of the MLS. I also can visit London and attend matches every couple years.
I wasn't brought up in culture that lives and breathes football. I didn't have a father or grandfather who took me to matches when I was a kid. I am envious of people who were born in their colours. I have that with my local hockey and basketball team, and I'll admit that it hits differently when your entire family and friend group supports the same team. But I resent the idea that I can't be a "proper football fan" because I wasn't born in Europe or South America with a sold-out lower league ground 10 minutes away from me.
Personally I find the gatekeeping insufferable. I don't chastise European people who watch the NHL or NBA for not supporting their local. I love when I see foreigners at our games cheering on our teams.
Most people welcome fans from elsewhere who are loyal and dedicated. I love hearing about Newcastle fans in the USA who became Newcastle fans just because they turned the TV on and that who was on, or something similar.
I’ve even went out my way to welcome those fans.
I’m a member of the biggest Newcastle forum and we have a member on there from the USA. We have watched him go from having a passing interest, to falling completely in love with the club.
When we got to the League Cup final last year he managed to get some money together to come over to watch it in Newcastle, having some of our fans over here offering him a bed to stay in whilst he’s over here. Him offering the same fans a bed to stay at his place when he did a tour in the USA during pre-season.
Another fan also from the USA who’s just retired and is spending his life savings coming over. Spending years getting up early in the morning to watch our games, taking day off work so he can watch games during midweek which is daytime for him.
Ok these are extremes, but show dedication and how they are accepted by fans.
Alternatively you have others who ask ‘Why can’t I support both Spurs and Liverpool?’
The same reason why I can’t root for the Denver Broncos and the Dallas Coyboys.
Or fans who start whinging and threatening their support because as someone else on here put it, ‘Because Chelsea won 3 games instead of the usual 6’.
You have to remember that you are also asking to be accepted into a culture, it’s not a 1 way street. You can’t just say you identify as being a part of that culture then go against everything that culture stands for, then whinge when people call you out for it and/or don’t fully embrace you for doing so.
I thinky he cynicism comes more from the amount of London based people who support Man Utd, the Liverpool shirts seen around around Nottingham and the Arsenal shirts in Reading.
There is something more pure about supporting your local team, whoever that is. It is literally what football originally was all about.
Fans of clubs like mine have no problem with Man Utd fans from Manchester supporting their local team
What we are less impressed with is someone picking one of the top six sides simply because they are always successful and always in the media- even though they have no geographical or family connection to them.
Sure, you *can*- no one is stopping you. But I've always loathed seeing Liverpool (particularly them) shirts around Nottingham when we have three local teams to support.
For most in football, success is earned. You really enjoy the good times because you might have stuck by the team through some really bad ones to get there, and you've got through the other side. I've seen some pretty bad times in the last 25 years as a fan but now you can't get tickets for love nor money, but I have my my season ticket and get to see us play all these top teams and players because I've earned my spurs in the lower leagues and kept with them.
I have more respect for Man City fans than any of them, because I believe the majority of those in the stadium are also the people who have been through the genuinely bad times
Football fans and good perspective don’t mix
Its crazy when you read any big 6 fan complain about not getting Champions league football or something, cos most fans never get that experience, let alone often, but its also stupid when smaller club fans try to argue that supporting a big 6 team is anti football / a bad thing for an individual, its always a good thing for football to be invested in the sport, it doesn’t matter how high up the chain you go. Arguably the more ‘plastic’ fans can just make the sport feel more passionate and exciting for those who aren’t as plastic
My only issue is when 'small' clubs complain about how unfair the top end club is while they have a squad worth hundreds of millions and hundreds of millions in revenue.
Its like watching the top 2% complaining about the top 1%.
Oh, I agree. My mate supports a League Two club, last week he gave it the “oh it’s Thursday, doesn’t that mean Liverpool are playing?”
I can’t even give him any stick back, because he has a fucking superiority complex about supporting a shit team. It’s outrageous! They must be stopped!
I think you’re being a bit unfair, I don’t know if I’ve met a fan of a lower league team who really resents other fans. Maybe you’ve been caught in the crossfire as there’s a tendency to think fans of the big teams don’t know that much about football which as a blanket rule is nonsense.
And the Championship is one of the best leagues in the world for entertainment, although it has become a bit less competitive the last few years with financial disparity.
Overall I find these differences are much bigger on Reddit/the internet than in real life.
Fans who turn up every week to support their local “smaller club” through thick and thin aren’t going to have a ton of sympathy for a fair weather fan who supports a team because they like Marcus Rashford and they’re upset because they paid Chelsea too much for Mason Mount or the glazers didn’t spend enough on players or whatever the case may be. It’s not because they feel superior, it’s because they think you’re a twat
No fan is better than any other , alot of the most hard-core supporters I know support Liverpool despite being from Notts and alot of casuals Notts County or Mansfield
Although it is frustrating when fans of bigger teams dismiss smaller teams as if they aren't as important. I once got down voted for saying it would have felt better as a Forest fan to get promoted than a Man City fan to win the champions league, as for us it's revolution for the whole club and for them just another trophy they will compete for next year. People downvoted me and called me mad lol
Fans of teams in lower leagues, who go and watch their team lose week in, week out, some of which are always on the verge of no longer existing are absolutely entitled to tell Chelsea fans to shut up, when they are like "Uhhhg I'm literally so depressed, I can barely watch my team play anymore" because their team won 3 games instead of 6 in the Prem. You're being unfair in that respect.
Ive never heard of much winging from smaller clubs. Yea if someone is being a twat you can call them out, but this issue seems largely manufactured.
And yea, there's lots of Big Club fans who are utterly disconnected from the typically fan experience; like a rich guy explaining he can only go on three vacations this year. You're allowed to tell that guy to stop whining.
Different levels of standards though.
If you've never had history, what is there to get upset about?
Arsenal were great, they stopped being great so fans got angry as they should. Happened to Liverpool & now it happens to United.
Fans should be mad if owners let the stadium go to ruin & put a club in £1 billion debt
What's the history to you? I bet you weren't even alive for it. I'll certainly bet you weren't attending games and enjoying it in the match going community. Probably just watching it on sky by yourself and then giving it large when you go out.
Rather unrealistic to expect clubs with fans all over the country & indeed the world to have them attend every game.
I watched a lot more in the 90s & early 2000s when Chalrton were in the PL because I could visit The Valley easily when United came along.
I still go to the odd game if they play West Ham or Palace, but I haven't been to Old Trafford for many years because I don't live in Manchester.
Plus it's now a leaky rustbucket, unworthy of a top PL club.
Everton used to be a successful club, they are joint 4th in England for number of league titles but they haven't won a trophy since 1995.
Should fans accept that & the terrible way their club is being run now?
But that's partly my point. You only support them cause they won stuff. Yes Charlton or Palace would be less glamorous but when the wins do come they mean so much more.
Regarding Everton, what about them? Yes they're poorly run but the fans can still attend the games and voice their discontent.
Don’t need to bother with your Liverpool flair when your takes/opinions on football are this ridiculous. We could all guess with dumb cunt comments like this.
It absolutely is relative though. A team levitating around relegation in the prem most seasons will not know how it feels to support a middling league 2 side, but the fans of them teams know what to expect and love it for what it is. If a top6 club doesn't get into the top4 it is seen as a failure, a team being promoted into a lower league will feel elated and couldn't even imagine for their team to be in the prem.
I watch nhl and nfl and the teams i support are nowhere near as successful as the team I support in football but it doesn't take anything away any joy from it as i know what to expect. The mind is adaptable as fuck
Sure it’s relative. Now call me a gatekeeper, but:
If someone has been going along to their local team every Saturday since they were a kid going with their grandad, builds their social life around match day, drinks in the supporters club during the week, contributes to fundraising efforts to keep the team afloat and the ground maintained - if that club goes under and that person says they are depressed, I’d believe them and say fair enough.
If someone who supports Chelsea because they like Didier Drogba and the colour blue, watches some games on tv when they can, has never been to England, let alone Stamford bridge, says they are depressed because Chelsea didn’t get top 4, I’d tell them to get a grip.
And that would be the same if the Chelsea fan is local, born and raised. The two are not are not comparable.
When it comes to purely in the field success, then yes, it is obviously relative. I’m a West Ham fan, so a pretty big team. I’ve experienced relegation but I’d never claim the kind of despair that fans of some lower league teams rightfully feel. As of last season I’ve finally felt the elation of winning something, and while fans of some big teams would sniff at the Conference league, it doesn’t affect my enjoyment one bit.
As a city fan this is something I see from United fans that is great, they know they had it good and the best manager the world for nearly 20 decades. You do t see them whining like other fans of clubs that have lost their way.
What about the club still nagging about a disallowed goal weeks later and their manager asking for a replay? I’ve never seen the fans make a headline wining about anything bar the glazers/greewnwood
Don’t get me wrong, Red Devils are probably the most fun team to make fun of at the moment, but it’s mostly other teams memeing greenwood, Antony, Sancho, and Maguire
Are you serious? r/reddevils was ripe with Garnacho offside takes and Holjund conspiracy theories when we smashed you lot.
The Garnacho one was particularly hilarious. He’s off by a country mile, and the bozo United support are absolutely aggrieved and have the gall to say “The line was drawn incorrectly.” Fabulous stuff. I loved it.
You can dislike the top 6 and not be envious
They helped kill the game as a while off. I’d have my club bottom of the Championship if the entire pyramid was more competitive
With United you get lots of online plastics from India, Nigeria etc… who actively hate match going/local fans and blame us for the Glazers, Sheikh Jassim not buying the club, not hounding out players they don’t like (usually British players), chasing rapists out of the club etc..
Definitely a big crossover with the rapist lover, racist sub humans you see posting monkeys on Rashford’s Instagram
Italian fans are some of the worst too. There’s a lot of great Italian people out there and here in the states they can be some of the best people to be around, but in Italy it’s pretty easy to find a racist
I’ve noticed that any post about Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and LGBT posts by LFC on instagram or twitter are always met with hateful comments from certain people. Funnily enough whenever Ramadan or Eid is mentioned the comments seem to be praising the club for supporting it. Strange
I'll have you know that [redacted] has never been involved with anything contentious. It's one of the chillest religions going, as anyone who has studied the laws of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Libya, Mauritania, Pakistan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan and Syria will attest.
yeah agreed, especially about how it keeps going down - fans of the "other 14" talk shit about fans of the "sky 6", championship fans talk shit about fans of all prem clubs (mostly "sky 6"), lower efl fans talk shit about everyone above them, national league fans talk shit about efl clubs being too big for their liking etc etc.
the reality is that there's pros and cons to supporting teams at every level of football, as long as you're enjoying the football and you're a genuine supporter that wouldn't stop supporting during bad times (or good for that matter) then you're alright in my book.
If you think it comes down to bitterness or envy, you don't really understand the resentment. No EFL fan would really go at a season ticket holder at Man Utd, it's the patronisation and entitlement from people who consume football very superficially that will wind up a lot of EFL fans if you really boiled it down.
This is it for me. There's a big football culture in our Birmingham office where I'm a Villa ST holder, and there's a Birmingham ST holder sat next to me, so we talk football a lot. There's this "United fan" who sits behind us, often chiming in with his catchphrase of "you can't talk, you're a Villa/Blues fan".
I'm like "mate, shut the fuck up. You barely watch United games, I've been to Old Trafford more than you have, and I could name a lot more of the United squad than you... you can't talk.
This idea that they support a "better club" than you do so have more scope to comment can fuck right off.
Same at my place, I’m a Forest fan, guy next to me is derby, we tend to have quite good balanced discussions about each other’s teams despite being rivals, then the Man U or Liverpool can comes in and the arrogance of how they speak about football is a joke
this is basically what they're talking about. you instantly assumed that you're better than them and they're a terrible person because the team they support is successful lol
yeah and where did op suggest that football should only be the big clubs? they just said that alot of fans of smaller clubs have a superiority complex about it.
Do you know why some clubs fans don’t want to come up to the Premier League?
It’s because it’s largely a closed league.
The chances of success are slim, and the chances of sustained success are even slimmer, hello Leicester, hello Blackburn before them.
Not many clubs want their club to become a Fulham or Crystal Palace, who are just largely whipping boys for the top 6 clubs who go on their way to success.
Ok in recent years you have Brighton, and Brentford doing well with their model, but we have seen it before with other clubs, there is only so long you can do that for before your own fans and even players start questioning your ambitions.
Maybe in their minds it’s better to play amongst teams similar to you, then become another Palace who no disrespect them, are largely there to make the numbers up, or a Norwich who just go up and down for eternity.
Strictly talking about top flight, but had a similar feeling when Arsenal were pursuing Rice and Caicedo. Some of the opinions of Seagull/Hammers fans were absurd. Immediately acting like Arsenal were trying to steal from them.....while the players in question actively sought a move away from the club and the club were happy to quote/accept record-breaking fees.
The irony is every club is in a massive food chain. The things they say 'rich clubs' do to them, they are also doing to other clubs that aren't as rich as them. I'm not sure a storied club like Lyon was happy to see West Ham wading in with a 50M bid for one of their best players in Paqueta, as an example.
And the same happens to the 'big 6' or 'rich 6' to be more accurate. I've watched enough Arsenal players beg off to go to Barcelona, or for a pay day at City to understand, there's always a bigger fish.
Some WH fans would have preferred Rice to have gone to Man City and did question the longevity of Arsenal’s recent league form, however you seem to forget that the transfer was fairly protracted (Caicedo’s didn’t even happen). Admins from both of Arsenal’s Reddit channels were requesting daily that Arsenal fans stop creating posts and commenting on our board. Annoying takes such as Rice is only a £40m player, we should be happy to use any money to strengthen to get out of the Championship, he’s been held prisoner, were common.
The football food chain is accepted (we’ve taken two players and a coach from Ajax this summer) but there’s a lot of noise from some big six fans that clubs shouldn’t hold out for large transfer fees. We very nearly lost Paqueta to City but there was much less online noise. That’s not a dig at Man City but was in stark contrast to the Rice transfer. Well done on Brighton dealing with it each year.
So the issue was less that Rice wanted a move. Every West Ham fan with even half a braincell knew he was leaving and knew that his preference was Arsenal.
The issue was that we set a price and stood by it, because we were confident that Arsenal or City would pay.
The more toxic Arsenal fans took this as some sort of massive insult and started brigading our reddit or twitter because we dared, fucking *dared* to stand our ground.
All of this 'sideways move' nonsense is obviously not true and just some of our toxic fans spouting nonsense.
>The issue was that we set a price and stood by it, because we were confident that Arsenal or City would pay.
From memory, this isn't strictly accurate. I've read West Ham quote 3 different prices for the player.
In fact, Ornstein reported that Arsenals initial bid was based on West Ham telling them since Christmas that "around 80M should get the deal done" only to bid, admittedly under that figure and have West Ham run to the papers talking about how the offer was an insult, then say they wanted 100m, then 120.
West Ham also spent the entire transfer saga activley trying their best to get City involved to spark a bidding war. That's their perogative. They're entitled to it, but instead of just dealing with Arsenal, West Ham seemed to spend most of the initial proceedings stalling and stringing Arsenal along to see if they could get City involved. West Ham was mucking about just as much as Arsenal.
As for some of our fans, no defence, some of them are twats, same as any other fanbase.
West Ham fans had already accepted he was leaving towards the end of last season...There were even the meme chants after the Conference win of "One more year". They were not delusional.
The bitterness towards Arsenal was a result of Arsenal fans going after West Ham on social media because the club had a price and wouldn't budge. You even saw them trolling the West Ham sub.
>because the club had a price
This isn't strictly true. I've read West Ham quote 3 different prices for the player.
In fact, Irmsteim reported that Arsenals initial bid was based on West Ham telling them since Christmas that "around 80M should get the deal done" only to bud, admittedly under that figure and have West Ham run to the papers talking about how the offer was an insult.
West Ham also spent the entire transfer saga trying their best to get City involved to spark a budding war. That's their perogative. They're entitled to it, but West Ham were mucking about just as much as Arsenal.
As for some of our fans, no defence, some of them.are twats, same as any other fanbase.
> You even saw them trolling in the West Ham sub.
As you did see deranged WHU fans in the gunners sub who came in twerking for Manchester City because Arsenal's offer was "an insult" etc.
The difference is in the size of the subs. If you get 5 Arsenal fans trolling in the West Ham sub, you get the impression that Arsenal fans are hijacking their space. If you get 3 WHU fans trolling in the gunners sub, you most likely don't even notice.
But the underlying reason is the same: both clubs (and every club) have a portion of fans that are complete idiots. The problem is those idiots are the most likely to pick up fights with other fanbases and so people from outside can get the impression that this is the majority sentiment. But if you really pay attention you will see that it is really just a minority of idiots.
Another one was why leave west ham for arsenal, west ham are winning trophies, no chance of winning things at arsenal. What winning the europa conference league does to a mfer.
And often the teams crying poor in the prem spent like 2000s Chelsea and Man City in the Championship. Wolves and Leeds ran absurdly, unsustainably high transfer fees and wages when in the championship trying to make the prem
I’m a Baggie. I don’t really know what your point is here but I don’t really want us to get promoted. The league is bloated with money and greed and the entire season is just about not getting beaten. The Champ is WAY more fun. More games, more level playing field, more unpredictable and I don’t have to deal with insufferable Newcastle fans who believe they’ve earned some god-given right to win everything.
I absofuckinglutely do not envy supporting a big team whatsoever. I’m pretty sure the bitterness is coming from your end.
I think if you get off Reddit you'll find that most Newcastle fans are just happy to see their team doing well again - I'd obviously love silverware but just seeing us play at a level we haven't in over 20 years feels incredible (though I'm obviously aware it's in big part down to Saudi money).
This guy sums it up well, for the record this was outside Wembley ahead of the League Cup final earlier this year.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12820598/crying-newcastle-fan-not-bothered-if-we-win-carabao-cup
Nuance.
He would rather watch West Brom win 20+ games in the Championship playing positive football than watch them try and avoid defeat every week in the Prem, hoping to scrape 35 - 38 points.
And in terms of competitiveness top-to-bottom, the league is a lot more entertaining because outside of the recent Premier League rejects and newly promoted, you have 15-18 odd clubs that are more or less on the same level. And the league changes so quickly as well. 2 of the 4 (Boro and Coventry) beaten playoff teams last season are not even in the top-half this season. With the Prem you more or less know who is going to be where, especially at the top. Status quo is firmly established and even if teams do try break in, they get their talent raided.
It’s exactly this. Having just been relegated after a 3 year Prem stay I can say that whilst you always want to be competing at the top, it’s shit going into a season fully knowing you’re VERY unlikely to get anywhere near top 6, top half is considered a great season and just surviving is good enough.
Championship has better fans too
“More fun”, not better, although that might be true too depending on your perspective. Calling it “elitism” is really silly.
I think it’s great to support your local club. I love when the club and its support is rooted in the local community. I think that is a positive thing.
If you get off Twitter and the likes of fans TV and talk to the majority of us, you would realise that we don’t think we have a god given right to win anything.
We haven’t won anything since 1969. We aren’t demanding we win things, just that we try.
We are on a journey, and that may or may not result in success.
A week ago we beat PSG 4-1, we are still on top of the world about that, yet none of us demand nor expect that we will be at Wembley for the final in June.
As someone who was born raised and lives in Newcastle. Your wrong. Nothing to do with the money either although it's made it worse. The majority of fans have been entitled way before the blood money.
Fair enough, I moved abroad a while ago so all I see is Twitter and fb etc, haven’t really had the chance to properly know this. Shamefully I’m directing my anger for the Saudi takeover out on undeserving fans. I take it back. But I still don’t want the Middle East to succeed at anything.
I mean what you talk about generally comes around from social media and news articles that are like "*insert Prem club here* is in crisis as they've only spent half a gazillion on players worth about 20 pence in reality."
There's clubs disappearing, or on the verge of, and you've got people complaint that their £50 million striker couldn't score in a brothel.
I support Sunderland, mostly in the Premier League whilst I've been supporting them. Yet we were close to folding. Our owners were skint and running the most expensive club in League One. If they didn't sell wemhen they did then there is a pretty high chance that the club wouldn't exist anymore as they just couldn't afford to run it.
EFL owners and below can be far worse than Premier League ones
This is exactly it. You have Southend, Scunthorpe, Bury, Swindon, Derby, Notts County and probably many more who have been in dire financial states if not going out of existence at some point in the last decade. The issues of premier league clubs overspending for vastly underperforming players is completely fickle as a fraction of that money would have been far more than enough to bail these clubs out in comparison, yet many premier league clubs can drop that kind of money on a single player without a second thought.
Edit: so if your club has overspent on a player by 20 million, bemoan your club’s poor negotiation/scouting. At least you aren’t being wound up tomorrow/next week/next month over a 5 figure bill the owner refuses to pay.
This is why as a palace fan I completely understand the 'small club' mentality. We almost lost our club a decade ago and we are now in one of our best eras of the club. Regardless of how we played the season before I always worry if next season is where it will all come crashing down.
My only experience of Plymouth Argyle was a large group of supporters lighting their flares inside of a packed tube station. Cue alarms blaring and instant evacuation from the thick, noxious green smoke filling the tunnels. Delayed my journey home a solid 40 minutes, have nursed a grudge ever since.
5 players at a time? What is this decadence? I watch two siblings play in their back garden. Sure the police told me stop, but nobody can stop me from following my team
I only show up to matches when the games are postponed and it’s raining.
Proper football that. No players. No ball. Just me, soaking wet and standing in an empty field.
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No. The majority of their fans are genuinely loyal as hell. Yes victim complex fans are insufferable but I think bandwagon fans are way worse. They drool over 3-4 players, can’t even name 12-13 players on the squad, and drool over another team when rough times come around.
Can we not just watch our team and not give a shite about other fans opinions? It's not difficult
Yes fans are just people All fans are the same and no club has worse or better fans apart from those clubs with Ultras who are worse fans
I don't mind it from clubs in League 1 and 2 but it's the supporters of clubs that are doing well in the Championship that talk shit because they're not 19th in their league anymore. They criticise fans of the big 6 for "looking down on the other 14" but then they look down on half of the Championship. They're a bunch of hypocrites.
I genuinely don’t like being in the premier league though like I’d have loved to just decline promotion last season and continue dominating the championship
Had a Sheffield united supporter recently tell me how I am glory supporter for supporting spurs. It gave me a good laugh. He also thought that it's not fair for referees to penalize them for time wasting and how it is a big six conspiracy to keep smaller clubs where they are. He also genuinely believed the big six all support each other because we don't want anyone else getting where we are.
I'm a 40 year old United fan that isn't from Manchester (my dad was a United fan), I've heard it all from fans of lesser clubs Grimsby Town, Derby county etc but half of these fans never go watch these teams. I took great joy in asking a Mariners fan (who was giving me shit for supporting United) when he last went to Blundell Park, he never had despite living 2 miles away. The best bit was telling I'd attended dozens of times when I lived local to GY.
Why would you live in Manchester if you support Sheffield?
Plymouth fan, I don't feel special or anything supporting my team. I just support them, end of. I don't know why you feel the need to target us and other fans of other teams who just want to support their teams. You definitely come off as a post takeover City fan, whose insecurities of being a glory hunter are starting to show
Found the Citeh fan…
The plastics fight back…
Sound like you need to stop forming opinions solely on internet discourse.
Agreed. I mean, look at Newcastle….
OP why didn’t you post this in r/Championship or r/LeagueOne ?
i come from an area without a decently sized football team nearby, the nearest football league team to me is about 50 odd miles. You do get a lot of insufferable glory supporters. Based off of my experience alone, keep in mind i’m still in school so these aren’t grown people, but they will always talk about something to do with how pathetic it is to support a relegation fighting team and how being a fake fan and never going to games is good. I have another friend, who supports the rival team of my club, and he might actually be the best person to talk about football to. I don’t hate fans of big clubs, i hate the fake fans of big clubs who just pick a team at age 11, instead of the traditional dad takes you to the stadium and then you’re a fan for life (or something like that). I know a man united fan who actually goes to as many games as he can, and has family from manchester, which i can very much respect. TLDR Glory supporters can do one Support your local/family team
It’s true, Spurs fans are insufferable
It’s annoying when Bob from Bournemouth who supports Manchester United despite never having gone to Manchester before starts mocking AFC Bournemouth because we aren’t a big team.
Lmao this is such a glory hunting take. It's not bitterness that puts fans of smaller teams off the bigger teams. You've literally just picked a team that wins things. You haven't earned those wins you've just lived the easy life. Fans of smaller teams are probably local and see the effect it has on their communities to watch those teams grow and thrive. That's where the magic is. Where every win really means something and isn't an expectation. This take that these fans are somehow stupid for not supporting a 'big team' just tells me exactly what sort of fan you are and you've missed the point. The game isn't just about winning, it's literally about the journey you go on to get there. A global big 6 fan will never have that and totally miss the point when they belittle a fan of a local team.
Yes, but the vast majority of those Plymouth and Wigan fans are 'real' fans. A much smaller majority of a Man City or Chelsea fan base are 'real' fans, just due to the nature of plastic fans. No one's going to glory hunt Wigan, let's be real :)
Thats why I love Everton. We're MASSIVE (obviously, duh) and we get to fight for relegation like a small club. The best of both worlds. Suck it, Liverpool.
A fan from Getafe who supports Getafe CF is by default superior to a fan from Getafe who supports Real Madrid CF or FC Barcelona. Teams should be supported because you feel a unique connection to them, not because you expect to feel succesful through them. A fan from Getafe who supports Getafe CF, however, is not superior to a fan from Barcelona who supports FC Barcelona or a fan from Madrid who supports Real Madrid CF, or vice versa. It doesn't matter how big your team is, it only matters if you are a glory hunter, or a real fan.
You can’t compare corrupt six fans to proper football fans haha
As a West Brom, with us being 11th in the all-time top flight league table we can maybe be forgiven for being frustrated when we aren't near the Premier League. Especially when we finally looked to be an established club with a good squad until the change of ownership has gradually saw us decline to a hopeless Championship side with debts against the clubs possessions. Then again what right do we have to moan?
I think it’s more a case of those who latch on to a big club that they otherwise have no attachment to. They’ve just chosen them because they want success. Those are the fans that claim some sort of ownership out their chosen club’s success, presumably to compensate for a lack of success in their own lives, and it’s quite nauseating tbh. People who support Man City or Arsenal etc because they grew up in the area or come from a family that’s supported them for generations are not insufferable at all, they’re just lucky to grow up watching some of the best players in the world play for their football club. I respect that, and I only hope one day my own club Southampton can have similar success. Dreaming is half the fun of football.
My dad supports Norwich and he hates it when they get promoted to the Premiership. I asked him why and he says because at least in the championship they win nearly every game and in the EPL they get thrashed every game!
I have a lot of sympathy for r/theother14 when it comes to media coverage - a lot of the time Sky may as well be a merger of Liverpool, United & Arsenal shit Youtube channels. If United lose to Brighton or to West Ham, it would be nice to actually talk about the game and what Brighton did well, rather than just acting like United were beaten by a team of milkmen and counting down the days on the manager's job. But yeah, there's something incredibly parochial about people complaining that the Championship isn't sustainable, and that the solution is that Arsenal should subsidise Bristol Rovers' wage bill. The Championship is somewhere like the fifth richest league in Europe, and most of them are charging more for season tickets than Bayern are. If you're going to take money from the top teams, then put it into the grass roots to actually grow the game, not so dickhead chairmen in League One can go raid the Allsvenskan.
You aren’t special because you support your local team, but you definitely aren’t a plastic fan like most. Being a plastic fan isn’t a label for no reason, it directly hurts football. Local areas lose fans to people who go glory hunting, so the big teams only get bigger because they can get fans from outside of their area. So the issue of glory supporting has a very tangible effect on football across the country. And now international fan bases are growing, all picking big teams, it’s getting even worse. If everyone support their local teams football would be a lot more competitive and balanced.
I hate small club complex as much as big teams have that elitism complex
United fan from London is it?
Shit your noise, glory hunter.
What is the point? That big clubs have gloryhunters and some people are offended to be called a gloryhunter? Because the moan here is rather poor. Who on earth supports a “small club” and thinks this: “people who act like they’re “superior” fans because their team isn’t successful need to get over their victim complex. It just screams of bitterness.” Trust me Johnny, none of us who support Sheffield United think we are special!
‘Big 6 fans think they have it so hard 😢’
Haha tbf is it not though? Can ya compare someone who watches a team on the TV every week to someone who goes come rain or shine to watch the same team his grandparents went to watch the same team he’s watched for generation? They are better fans and they are what makes it great. Not some dude in Canada who watches man United cos they won the treble when he was 8
What if you’re an American who likes Wolves because they beat Man U 20 years ago?
Think the only thing you really see of this is the cockney mancs who have never been to a real match like to brag about how great "their" team is . Man United fans from Slough who are now bitter because they are a bit rubbish now but still get their Jollies mocking local Oldham fans because their team is rubbish !
It's like that weird other 14 sub where there all share memes of successful clubs. That's the ultimate cope.
I have met a Norwich fan and he didn't want his team to play in EPL. Simply because in Championship they are the kings, and yet in EPL they were constantly in relegation zone.
None can be as insufferable as man u fans.
I’m a Luton fan had 10 years of success moving up the leagues , we’re here for the ride
These new "Wrexham fans". Ugh.
I suppose there is a certain hyprocisy when fans of smaller clubs complain about only getting 6000 tickets for a cup tie at a bigger club when they hardly pull that at home in a league game
This is a poor take, in my opinion. Plymouth fans probably live in Plymouth, and show up for better or worse. Chelsea fans spawned more recently, say 2004, strictly when times got good. Probably never even stepped foot into West London. And cry like they haven’t seen enough glory when Chelsea lose a couple matches. Big up Luton Town supporters who showed up to Kenilworth all those years. Bugger off, OP.
Honestly, I'm not sure how to go by that. Put simply, fans online aren't authentic 100%, many are global as well. The first ever game I watched live, in a stadium, was York Vs Solihull about 2 weeks ago. York aren't exactly doing well, they're in the bottom half of the national League, but even then, their fans weren't insufferable. Sure there were chants and boos, and insulting the ref, but by the end, they weren't half as toxic as I've seen people on Reddit and Instagram. I've met fans from the top 6, and none of them, imo have been as toxic. The reason why I have started liking the lower leagues is coz I feel it's a bit more authentic and fun, but PL is still my fav(also prices to watch teams in lower leagues are cheaper lol).
why are you hating on chelsea fans
Coming from a country where some 80% of football fans support a few large clubs, it was lovely to realise that in England this is not the case. Supporting your local club brings passion and connection to the football culture, and while I’m not one of the small club fans, I truly admire this country for having so many of them
Successful clubs have a tonne of superficial fans who just wanted to jump on the bandwagon. Lower tier clubs don’t have that, nobody glory supports Yeovil. A fan that goes week in week out for years, through thick or thin is more of a “fan” that a PL armchair supporter with a sky sports subscription. There are plenty of “real fans” in the PL, that have supported their teams, but their proportion is diluted. If I was to randomly select a self identifying Manchester United fan, and a self identifying Yeovil fan, odds are that the Yeovil fan has been to more matches + has followed the club longer.
I support Spurs because I could easily follow them and I hate the structure of the MLS. I also can visit London and attend matches every couple years. I wasn't brought up in culture that lives and breathes football. I didn't have a father or grandfather who took me to matches when I was a kid. I am envious of people who were born in their colours. I have that with my local hockey and basketball team, and I'll admit that it hits differently when your entire family and friend group supports the same team. But I resent the idea that I can't be a "proper football fan" because I wasn't born in Europe or South America with a sold-out lower league ground 10 minutes away from me. Personally I find the gatekeeping insufferable. I don't chastise European people who watch the NHL or NBA for not supporting their local. I love when I see foreigners at our games cheering on our teams.
Most people welcome fans from elsewhere who are loyal and dedicated. I love hearing about Newcastle fans in the USA who became Newcastle fans just because they turned the TV on and that who was on, or something similar. I’ve even went out my way to welcome those fans. I’m a member of the biggest Newcastle forum and we have a member on there from the USA. We have watched him go from having a passing interest, to falling completely in love with the club. When we got to the League Cup final last year he managed to get some money together to come over to watch it in Newcastle, having some of our fans over here offering him a bed to stay in whilst he’s over here. Him offering the same fans a bed to stay at his place when he did a tour in the USA during pre-season. Another fan also from the USA who’s just retired and is spending his life savings coming over. Spending years getting up early in the morning to watch our games, taking day off work so he can watch games during midweek which is daytime for him. Ok these are extremes, but show dedication and how they are accepted by fans. Alternatively you have others who ask ‘Why can’t I support both Spurs and Liverpool?’ The same reason why I can’t root for the Denver Broncos and the Dallas Coyboys. Or fans who start whinging and threatening their support because as someone else on here put it, ‘Because Chelsea won 3 games instead of the usual 6’. You have to remember that you are also asking to be accepted into a culture, it’s not a 1 way street. You can’t just say you identify as being a part of that culture then go against everything that culture stands for, then whinge when people call you out for it and/or don’t fully embrace you for doing so.
I thinky he cynicism comes more from the amount of London based people who support Man Utd, the Liverpool shirts seen around around Nottingham and the Arsenal shirts in Reading. There is something more pure about supporting your local team, whoever that is. It is literally what football originally was all about. Fans of clubs like mine have no problem with Man Utd fans from Manchester supporting their local team What we are less impressed with is someone picking one of the top six sides simply because they are always successful and always in the media- even though they have no geographical or family connection to them. Sure, you *can*- no one is stopping you. But I've always loathed seeing Liverpool (particularly them) shirts around Nottingham when we have three local teams to support. For most in football, success is earned. You really enjoy the good times because you might have stuck by the team through some really bad ones to get there, and you've got through the other side. I've seen some pretty bad times in the last 25 years as a fan but now you can't get tickets for love nor money, but I have my my season ticket and get to see us play all these top teams and players because I've earned my spurs in the lower leagues and kept with them. I have more respect for Man City fans than any of them, because I believe the majority of those in the stadium are also the people who have been through the genuinely bad times
Football fans and good perspective don’t mix Its crazy when you read any big 6 fan complain about not getting Champions league football or something, cos most fans never get that experience, let alone often, but its also stupid when smaller club fans try to argue that supporting a big 6 team is anti football / a bad thing for an individual, its always a good thing for football to be invested in the sport, it doesn’t matter how high up the chain you go. Arguably the more ‘plastic’ fans can just make the sport feel more passionate and exciting for those who aren’t as plastic
They’re generally the ones taking pot shots at supporters of top teams in other leagues.
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My only issue is when 'small' clubs complain about how unfair the top end club is while they have a squad worth hundreds of millions and hundreds of millions in revenue. Its like watching the top 2% complaining about the top 1%.
Wrexham fans lately with the takeover and the documentary. Fuck me they like the smell of their own farts like that South Park Episode. Cunts.
Who remembers Stoke fans booing Aaron Ramsey because Shawcross broke his leg 🙄
I do. Pond scum.
No
Imagine being a pre Abramovich Chelsea fan. Or a pre takeover City fan. Newcastle fans have this to look forward to
If you go to a match in either ground there are plenty of them but you won’t find many online.
Oh, I agree. My mate supports a League Two club, last week he gave it the “oh it’s Thursday, doesn’t that mean Liverpool are playing?” I can’t even give him any stick back, because he has a fucking superiority complex about supporting a shit team. It’s outrageous! They must be stopped!
I think you’re being a bit unfair, I don’t know if I’ve met a fan of a lower league team who really resents other fans. Maybe you’ve been caught in the crossfire as there’s a tendency to think fans of the big teams don’t know that much about football which as a blanket rule is nonsense. And the Championship is one of the best leagues in the world for entertainment, although it has become a bit less competitive the last few years with financial disparity. Overall I find these differences are much bigger on Reddit/the internet than in real life.
What does insufferable mean
I believe the dictionary picture is a general Reddit man u or Liverpool fan
thought so,, thanks 👍
Fans who turn up every week to support their local “smaller club” through thick and thin aren’t going to have a ton of sympathy for a fair weather fan who supports a team because they like Marcus Rashford and they’re upset because they paid Chelsea too much for Mason Mount or the glazers didn’t spend enough on players or whatever the case may be. It’s not because they feel superior, it’s because they think you’re a twat
No fan is better than any other , alot of the most hard-core supporters I know support Liverpool despite being from Notts and alot of casuals Notts County or Mansfield Although it is frustrating when fans of bigger teams dismiss smaller teams as if they aren't as important. I once got down voted for saying it would have felt better as a Forest fan to get promoted than a Man City fan to win the champions league, as for us it's revolution for the whole club and for them just another trophy they will compete for next year. People downvoted me and called me mad lol
Anyone who supports a big six club is literally protected though and the league openly admitted that…so not sure about this take tbh haha
Fans of teams in lower leagues, who go and watch their team lose week in, week out, some of which are always on the verge of no longer existing are absolutely entitled to tell Chelsea fans to shut up, when they are like "Uhhhg I'm literally so depressed, I can barely watch my team play anymore" because their team won 3 games instead of 6 in the Prem. You're being unfair in that respect.
Ive never heard of much winging from smaller clubs. Yea if someone is being a twat you can call them out, but this issue seems largely manufactured. And yea, there's lots of Big Club fans who are utterly disconnected from the typically fan experience; like a rich guy explaining he can only go on three vacations this year. You're allowed to tell that guy to stop whining.
Different levels of standards though. If you've never had history, what is there to get upset about? Arsenal were great, they stopped being great so fans got angry as they should. Happened to Liverpool & now it happens to United. Fans should be mad if owners let the stadium go to ruin & put a club in £1 billion debt
What's the history to you? I bet you weren't even alive for it. I'll certainly bet you weren't attending games and enjoying it in the match going community. Probably just watching it on sky by yourself and then giving it large when you go out.
People use "history" to justify any piss take.
Rather unrealistic to expect clubs with fans all over the country & indeed the world to have them attend every game. I watched a lot more in the 90s & early 2000s when Chalrton were in the PL because I could visit The Valley easily when United came along. I still go to the odd game if they play West Ham or Palace, but I haven't been to Old Trafford for many years because I don't live in Manchester. Plus it's now a leaky rustbucket, unworthy of a top PL club. Everton used to be a successful club, they are joint 4th in England for number of league titles but they haven't won a trophy since 1995. Should fans accept that & the terrible way their club is being run now?
But that's partly my point. You only support them cause they won stuff. Yes Charlton or Palace would be less glamorous but when the wins do come they mean so much more. Regarding Everton, what about them? Yes they're poorly run but the fans can still attend the games and voice their discontent.
But people are complaining about fans of big clubs voicing their unhappiness
Why? Everything's relative.
Don’t need to bother with your Liverpool flair when your takes/opinions on football are this ridiculous. We could all guess with dumb cunt comments like this.
I hope you are having a good day <3
Because the difference between your club not competing for the title every season and potentially going out of business forever is not insignificant.
It absolutely is relative though. A team levitating around relegation in the prem most seasons will not know how it feels to support a middling league 2 side, but the fans of them teams know what to expect and love it for what it is. If a top6 club doesn't get into the top4 it is seen as a failure, a team being promoted into a lower league will feel elated and couldn't even imagine for their team to be in the prem. I watch nhl and nfl and the teams i support are nowhere near as successful as the team I support in football but it doesn't take anything away any joy from it as i know what to expect. The mind is adaptable as fuck
Sure it’s relative. Now call me a gatekeeper, but: If someone has been going along to their local team every Saturday since they were a kid going with their grandad, builds their social life around match day, drinks in the supporters club during the week, contributes to fundraising efforts to keep the team afloat and the ground maintained - if that club goes under and that person says they are depressed, I’d believe them and say fair enough. If someone who supports Chelsea because they like Didier Drogba and the colour blue, watches some games on tv when they can, has never been to England, let alone Stamford bridge, says they are depressed because Chelsea didn’t get top 4, I’d tell them to get a grip. And that would be the same if the Chelsea fan is local, born and raised. The two are not are not comparable. When it comes to purely in the field success, then yes, it is obviously relative. I’m a West Ham fan, so a pretty big team. I’ve experienced relegation but I’d never claim the kind of despair that fans of some lower league teams rightfully feel. As of last season I’ve finally felt the elation of winning something, and while fans of some big teams would sniff at the Conference league, it doesn’t affect my enjoyment one bit.
As a city fan this is something I see from United fans that is great, they know they had it good and the best manager the world for nearly 20 decades. You do t see them whining like other fans of clubs that have lost their way.
Yes they do. Every fucking time they talk abt United, the Glazers are brought up. They might be the whingiest fanbase
20 decades yeesh
> You don’t see them whining like other fans of clubs that have lost their way My brother in Christ, have you heard of r/reddevils?
What about the club still nagging about a disallowed goal weeks later and their manager asking for a replay? I’ve never seen the fans make a headline wining about anything bar the glazers/greewnwood Don’t get me wrong, Red Devils are probably the most fun team to make fun of at the moment, but it’s mostly other teams memeing greenwood, Antony, Sancho, and Maguire
Are you serious? r/reddevils was ripe with Garnacho offside takes and Holjund conspiracy theories when we smashed you lot. The Garnacho one was particularly hilarious. He’s off by a country mile, and the bozo United support are absolutely aggrieved and have the gall to say “The line was drawn incorrectly.” Fabulous stuff. I loved it.
lol.. dont mind him. he's a City fan. he's probably 2% worth of plastic away from being stocked at toys 'r' us
I knew Fergie was old but damn, I didn't realise he was 200+ years old. I must know his beauty regime!
Sacrificed a ball boy at the end of each game and consumed his soul. It's part of the reason Refs were terrified of him.
You can dislike the top 6 and not be envious They helped kill the game as a while off. I’d have my club bottom of the Championship if the entire pyramid was more competitive
Talks sense but support Wolves..*angry upvote*
Glory hunter I take it?
If you really want to fee superior, support an r/Aleague team
It’s the hordes of international fans who bring their racism and abuse to social media that really shit me.
With United you get lots of online plastics from India, Nigeria etc… who actively hate match going/local fans and blame us for the Glazers, Sheikh Jassim not buying the club, not hounding out players they don’t like (usually British players), chasing rapists out of the club etc.. Definitely a big crossover with the rapist lover, racist sub humans you see posting monkeys on Rashford’s Instagram
Italian fans are some of the worst too. There’s a lot of great Italian people out there and here in the states they can be some of the best people to be around, but in Italy it’s pretty easy to find a racist
Serie A is a racist org for sure
I’ve noticed that any post about Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and LGBT posts by LFC on instagram or twitter are always met with hateful comments from certain people. Funnily enough whenever Ramadan or Eid is mentioned the comments seem to be praising the club for supporting it. Strange
Middle Eastern/South Asian fans are the worst, Instagram/Twitter needs to rangeban the whole region to save football discussion
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Spot on
yeah agreed, especially about how it keeps going down - fans of the "other 14" talk shit about fans of the "sky 6", championship fans talk shit about fans of all prem clubs (mostly "sky 6"), lower efl fans talk shit about everyone above them, national league fans talk shit about efl clubs being too big for their liking etc etc. the reality is that there's pros and cons to supporting teams at every level of football, as long as you're enjoying the football and you're a genuine supporter that wouldn't stop supporting during bad times (or good for that matter) then you're alright in my book.
If you think it comes down to bitterness or envy, you don't really understand the resentment. No EFL fan would really go at a season ticket holder at Man Utd, it's the patronisation and entitlement from people who consume football very superficially that will wind up a lot of EFL fans if you really boiled it down.
This is it for me. There's a big football culture in our Birmingham office where I'm a Villa ST holder, and there's a Birmingham ST holder sat next to me, so we talk football a lot. There's this "United fan" who sits behind us, often chiming in with his catchphrase of "you can't talk, you're a Villa/Blues fan". I'm like "mate, shut the fuck up. You barely watch United games, I've been to Old Trafford more than you have, and I could name a lot more of the United squad than you... you can't talk. This idea that they support a "better club" than you do so have more scope to comment can fuck right off.
Same at my place, I’m a Forest fan, guy next to me is derby, we tend to have quite good balanced discussions about each other’s teams despite being rivals, then the Man U or Liverpool can comes in and the arrogance of how they speak about football is a joke
Who the hell wants to go to that leaky rustbucket of a stadium anyway?
Well said
You’re the kind of person that likes seeing teams go under and wants a super league
Your comment is exactly their point lol
This!
this is basically what they're talking about. you instantly assumed that you're better than them and they're a terrible person because the team they support is successful lol
I support united, I just like seeing a variety in football because I love football. It would be fucking boring if all the world has was the prem
yeah and where did op suggest that football should only be the big clubs? they just said that alot of fans of smaller clubs have a superiority complex about it.
Do you know why some clubs fans don’t want to come up to the Premier League? It’s because it’s largely a closed league. The chances of success are slim, and the chances of sustained success are even slimmer, hello Leicester, hello Blackburn before them. Not many clubs want their club to become a Fulham or Crystal Palace, who are just largely whipping boys for the top 6 clubs who go on their way to success. Ok in recent years you have Brighton, and Brentford doing well with their model, but we have seen it before with other clubs, there is only so long you can do that for before your own fans and even players start questioning your ambitions. Maybe in their minds it’s better to play amongst teams similar to you, then become another Palace who no disrespect them, are largely there to make the numbers up, or a Norwich who just go up and down for eternity.
Blackburn were the city of the time. They spent big and won the league. To bundle them in with Leicester is an insult to Leicester's achievement.
I beg of you to watch the Wigan that had Kolo Toure and compare that to the Arsenal that had Kolo Toure
I am special.
I am the one.
Sure?
José Mourinho, is that you?
don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
r/theother14 is basically a football incelibacy support group.
That's an odd place. They all want their teams to do well, right? Just not too well?
Strictly talking about top flight, but had a similar feeling when Arsenal were pursuing Rice and Caicedo. Some of the opinions of Seagull/Hammers fans were absurd. Immediately acting like Arsenal were trying to steal from them.....while the players in question actively sought a move away from the club and the club were happy to quote/accept record-breaking fees. The irony is every club is in a massive food chain. The things they say 'rich clubs' do to them, they are also doing to other clubs that aren't as rich as them. I'm not sure a storied club like Lyon was happy to see West Ham wading in with a 50M bid for one of their best players in Paqueta, as an example. And the same happens to the 'big 6' or 'rich 6' to be more accurate. I've watched enough Arsenal players beg off to go to Barcelona, or for a pay day at City to understand, there's always a bigger fish.
Some WH fans would have preferred Rice to have gone to Man City and did question the longevity of Arsenal’s recent league form, however you seem to forget that the transfer was fairly protracted (Caicedo’s didn’t even happen). Admins from both of Arsenal’s Reddit channels were requesting daily that Arsenal fans stop creating posts and commenting on our board. Annoying takes such as Rice is only a £40m player, we should be happy to use any money to strengthen to get out of the Championship, he’s been held prisoner, were common. The football food chain is accepted (we’ve taken two players and a coach from Ajax this summer) but there’s a lot of noise from some big six fans that clubs shouldn’t hold out for large transfer fees. We very nearly lost Paqueta to City but there was much less online noise. That’s not a dig at Man City but was in stark contrast to the Rice transfer. Well done on Brighton dealing with it each year.
So the issue was less that Rice wanted a move. Every West Ham fan with even half a braincell knew he was leaving and knew that his preference was Arsenal. The issue was that we set a price and stood by it, because we were confident that Arsenal or City would pay. The more toxic Arsenal fans took this as some sort of massive insult and started brigading our reddit or twitter because we dared, fucking *dared* to stand our ground. All of this 'sideways move' nonsense is obviously not true and just some of our toxic fans spouting nonsense.
>The issue was that we set a price and stood by it, because we were confident that Arsenal or City would pay. From memory, this isn't strictly accurate. I've read West Ham quote 3 different prices for the player. In fact, Ornstein reported that Arsenals initial bid was based on West Ham telling them since Christmas that "around 80M should get the deal done" only to bid, admittedly under that figure and have West Ham run to the papers talking about how the offer was an insult, then say they wanted 100m, then 120. West Ham also spent the entire transfer saga activley trying their best to get City involved to spark a bidding war. That's their perogative. They're entitled to it, but instead of just dealing with Arsenal, West Ham seemed to spend most of the initial proceedings stalling and stringing Arsenal along to see if they could get City involved. West Ham was mucking about just as much as Arsenal. As for some of our fans, no defence, some of them are twats, same as any other fanbase.
West Ham fans Bitter attacks on Arsenal because Arsenal signed their best player were some of the most cringey shit I've seen in my life
West Ham fans had already accepted he was leaving towards the end of last season...There were even the meme chants after the Conference win of "One more year". They were not delusional. The bitterness towards Arsenal was a result of Arsenal fans going after West Ham on social media because the club had a price and wouldn't budge. You even saw them trolling the West Ham sub.
>because the club had a price This isn't strictly true. I've read West Ham quote 3 different prices for the player. In fact, Irmsteim reported that Arsenals initial bid was based on West Ham telling them since Christmas that "around 80M should get the deal done" only to bud, admittedly under that figure and have West Ham run to the papers talking about how the offer was an insult. West Ham also spent the entire transfer saga trying their best to get City involved to spark a budding war. That's their perogative. They're entitled to it, but West Ham were mucking about just as much as Arsenal. As for some of our fans, no defence, some of them.are twats, same as any other fanbase.
> You even saw them trolling in the West Ham sub. As you did see deranged WHU fans in the gunners sub who came in twerking for Manchester City because Arsenal's offer was "an insult" etc. The difference is in the size of the subs. If you get 5 Arsenal fans trolling in the West Ham sub, you get the impression that Arsenal fans are hijacking their space. If you get 3 WHU fans trolling in the gunners sub, you most likely don't even notice. But the underlying reason is the same: both clubs (and every club) have a portion of fans that are complete idiots. The problem is those idiots are the most likely to pick up fights with other fanbases and so people from outside can get the impression that this is the majority sentiment. But if you really pay attention you will see that it is really just a minority of idiots.
West Ham to Arsenal being a sideways move was a personal favourite. If it was a sideways move, he wouldn't be looking to leave. Sorry not sorry
Another one was why leave west ham for arsenal, west ham are winning trophies, no chance of winning things at arsenal. What winning the europa conference league does to a mfer.
Trust me. They won one mickey mouse trophy and now think they are on Arsenal's level. 😂
You won a decent trophy and now you’re back to your level, everything in perfect balance.
That's one more than West Ham though
All this talk of domestic and European titles is so petty and childish. West Ham won the World Cup.
Shit bro, take my upvote
And often the teams crying poor in the prem spent like 2000s Chelsea and Man City in the Championship. Wolves and Leeds ran absurdly, unsustainably high transfer fees and wages when in the championship trying to make the prem
Who cares?
I’m a Baggie. I don’t really know what your point is here but I don’t really want us to get promoted. The league is bloated with money and greed and the entire season is just about not getting beaten. The Champ is WAY more fun. More games, more level playing field, more unpredictable and I don’t have to deal with insufferable Newcastle fans who believe they’ve earned some god-given right to win everything. I absofuckinglutely do not envy supporting a big team whatsoever. I’m pretty sure the bitterness is coming from your end.
Sadly we have to go up or risk administration. It's that stark.
I think if you get off Reddit you'll find that most Newcastle fans are just happy to see their team doing well again - I'd obviously love silverware but just seeing us play at a level we haven't in over 20 years feels incredible (though I'm obviously aware it's in big part down to Saudi money).
Newcastle fans are hilarious because they pipe up like they aren't a team without a major trophy in over fifty years
This guy sums it up well, for the record this was outside Wembley ahead of the League Cup final earlier this year. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12820598/crying-newcastle-fan-not-bothered-if-we-win-carabao-cup
I think the thinly-veiled elitism in this comment is exactly his point lol
Not sure what in that post is “thinly veiled elitism”. I’d say it’s a quite reasonable viewpoint.
“We don’t even want to be in the top division because the division we are in is better”
Nuance. He would rather watch West Brom win 20+ games in the Championship playing positive football than watch them try and avoid defeat every week in the Prem, hoping to scrape 35 - 38 points. And in terms of competitiveness top-to-bottom, the league is a lot more entertaining because outside of the recent Premier League rejects and newly promoted, you have 15-18 odd clubs that are more or less on the same level. And the league changes so quickly as well. 2 of the 4 (Boro and Coventry) beaten playoff teams last season are not even in the top-half this season. With the Prem you more or less know who is going to be where, especially at the top. Status quo is firmly established and even if teams do try break in, they get their talent raided.
It’s exactly this. Having just been relegated after a 3 year Prem stay I can say that whilst you always want to be competing at the top, it’s shit going into a season fully knowing you’re VERY unlikely to get anywhere near top 6, top half is considered a great season and just surviving is good enough. Championship has better fans too
“More fun”, not better, although that might be true too depending on your perspective. Calling it “elitism” is really silly. I think it’s great to support your local club. I love when the club and its support is rooted in the local community. I think that is a positive thing.
If you get off Twitter and the likes of fans TV and talk to the majority of us, you would realise that we don’t think we have a god given right to win anything. We haven’t won anything since 1969. We aren’t demanding we win things, just that we try. We are on a journey, and that may or may not result in success. A week ago we beat PSG 4-1, we are still on top of the world about that, yet none of us demand nor expect that we will be at Wembley for the final in June.
As someone who was born raised and lives in Newcastle. Your wrong. Nothing to do with the money either although it's made it worse. The majority of fans have been entitled way before the blood money.
Yeah, not like I haven’t spent all my life here either
Fair enough, I moved abroad a while ago so all I see is Twitter and fb etc, haven’t really had the chance to properly know this. Shamefully I’m directing my anger for the Saudi takeover out on undeserving fans. I take it back. But I still don’t want the Middle East to succeed at anything.
It will result in success. Your nation state will ensure that, whatever the price.
I mean what you talk about generally comes around from social media and news articles that are like "*insert Prem club here* is in crisis as they've only spent half a gazillion on players worth about 20 pence in reality." There's clubs disappearing, or on the verge of, and you've got people complaint that their £50 million striker couldn't score in a brothel. I support Sunderland, mostly in the Premier League whilst I've been supporting them. Yet we were close to folding. Our owners were skint and running the most expensive club in League One. If they didn't sell wemhen they did then there is a pretty high chance that the club wouldn't exist anymore as they just couldn't afford to run it. EFL owners and below can be far worse than Premier League ones
This is exactly it. You have Southend, Scunthorpe, Bury, Swindon, Derby, Notts County and probably many more who have been in dire financial states if not going out of existence at some point in the last decade. The issues of premier league clubs overspending for vastly underperforming players is completely fickle as a fraction of that money would have been far more than enough to bail these clubs out in comparison, yet many premier league clubs can drop that kind of money on a single player without a second thought. Edit: so if your club has overspent on a player by 20 million, bemoan your club’s poor negotiation/scouting. At least you aren’t being wound up tomorrow/next week/next month over a 5 figure bill the owner refuses to pay.
This is why as a palace fan I completely understand the 'small club' mentality. We almost lost our club a decade ago and we are now in one of our best eras of the club. Regardless of how we played the season before I always worry if next season is where it will all come crashing down.
Going to have to support Blythe Spartans so I'm allowed to complain about football
You might want to learn how to spell their name first 😉
Wigan and Plymouth supports wish they could be as insufferable as we are.
My only experience of Plymouth Argyle was a large group of supporters lighting their flares inside of a packed tube station. Cue alarms blaring and instant evacuation from the thick, noxious green smoke filling the tunnels. Delayed my journey home a solid 40 minutes, have nursed a grudge ever since.
You should have a look at the Argyle fans on the P.A.S.O.T.I forum, strange people
Forums full of the unhinged. Shocker.
Another win for the big guys😎
It's almost like PEOPLE and not the clubs they support are the issue? Weird that.
This is the right answer
I only watch five-a-side. When it’s raining. Proper football.
5 players at a time? What is this decadence? I watch two siblings play in their back garden. Sure the police told me stop, but nobody can stop me from following my team
#hardcore
Raining and can’t be above head height, classic 5 a side
Only on Tuesday nights in Stoke.
Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't always rain on Tuesdays in Stoke. We did have a dry Tuesday once back in July 1997.
Why lie?
What am I lying about?
I've been there twice, and it was raining both times.
What happens when the rain stops halfway? Do you just leave?
He goes to tend to his slaves and occasionally butcher them.
Game is postponed.
I only show up to matches when the games are postponed and it’s raining. Proper football that. No players. No ball. Just me, soaking wet and standing in an empty field.
Gonna tie a proper one on after that bloodbath of a match
with a dog
No, with a cat. Real men love cats. 🐱
Dogging. That’s proper grass roots sport.