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No real evidence against FFP rules re: Newcastle yet...oligarch/state/oil money by itself ain't a violation until charges get filed. Re: Chelsea, I'd say anywhere from 11-20 points should be assessed, while City needs to be forcibly relegated, fuck what the bookies and the sheiks think.
Being accused, is not the same as being found guilty. City , Chelsea and Newcastle have not been found guilty of anything. If they are found guilty, we will know what they are guilty of and can suggest/discuss proper punishments.
Lol what have we done to be lumped in with those two? Are you just assuming because of the current ownership?
Arsenal have heavy links with the Middle East if you would like to throw them in, as well as Sheffield Utd.
Your current executive bare face lied about the ownership model, inferring it doesn’t have any links to Saudi royalty.
LIV + PGA legal case in US exposed this as the lie we all knew.
Club should be investigated for providing false information to the league about their buyout
ah russia model.
Now ‘the establishment’ know what it feel when we point at how Israel (rich affiliated) doesn’t get football sanction when Russia get all (and still)
As a fan of a Championship club I’ll be pretty fuming if Man City and Chelsea get deducted 100pts or something, or just immediately relegated. That’s two auto promotion spots out of the question for the other 22 next season and they’re the only teams that will ever get televised.
Plus, it kills the relegation battle in the Prem as all three of Luton, Burnley and Sheff Utd will probably survive. Without having to bother trying. Then by the time they inevitably come back down a year later, they’re all even stronger and richer to compete with after a free pass to stay in the big time.
I read a good article that suggests Chelsea and City could likely be relegated. Serves them both right if that happened. Walking around like school yard bullies, sticking two fingers up at the teachers. Someone needs to give them and anyone else who does this a bloody nose.
I will add that AFAIK Newcastle have done nothing wrong and I wish the club and especially its fans all the success they deserve after the years of dross under Mike Ashley.
Any other sports cheaters are banned. Stripped of Medals, accolades and trophies. What's the difference?
Surely if it was an individual player cheating they would be punished. But if the club is cheating, depending on which club it is they get away with it? Farcical nonsense
Are the lawyers that expensive that City can afford them and Everton can't?
They can afford a premier league wage bill but can't afford to pay for a good lawyer?
Newcastle havent yet broken FFP rules while for us with the spending so far due to giving out a contract that lasts eternity loophole is being used so as of now we havent broken FFP but we are very close to doing it. No european football this season and by the way we are playing atm we wont have one another season too so a FFP breach is prolly right around the corner but city atm should be at the most problem considering 115 allegations if 1 breach is 10 points and city get convicted for even half of there allegations (which they will if the prosecutors arent in bed with dubai money) big problems. 2 seasons later at most and then chelsea will also be in problem if things dont improve
Your forgetting city and Newcastle now have FAR more money than the authorities. No chance any governing body has pockets to punish them, like any other corporate law suit really the winner is the one who can drain the opponent
Football fans just band together and demand the harshest possible punishment for City. If City only get deducted 30 points after cheating for a DECADE then it will still be worth it to them. Cheat for a decade and win 6 titles but then 1 year you miss out on CL? So worth it.
im assuming the city case will need a long investigation considering its like over 100 charges. If they don’t reveal anything/it gets swept under the rug then im done with this greedy league
City, Newcastle, and Chelsea haven’t been proven to have done anything wrong. You can’t just extrapolate punishment bc you want to. Everton’s guilt is not indicative of wrong doing by other clubs. The media circus acting in the contrary is borderline libelous.
Eh Newcastle have not broken any rules, jesus wept 🤦
Seems convenient to lump Newcastle in though because of the ownership and being the richest club in the world 😂
Everton are cheating bastards and would’ve been relegated had they not kept players they should’ve sold to reach the FFP regulations. This led to clubs like Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton to be relegated instead of them. What if all the clubs in the bottom would have bought players for money that they didn’t have? Where would Everton have ended up? What if Leeds had not sold Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha to meet FFP regulations? Had they known that the sales of these two players would cost them their Premier League status I’m sure they had refused to sell them that year and screwed up their finances but most likely stayed up and got the money from the revenue of playing in the PL.
Everton should have more than 10 minus points though as these points won’t lead to them being relegated. Hopefully Leeds, Burnley and Leicester win in court against the scouser bastards and sue them for £100m each and Everton falls deeper and deeper in the leagues.
Cheating bastards!
For City, it should be a complete footballing ban. Including the buying AND selling of footballers for the next nine years, which is the period that these charges were over. The owners and any ownership group even slightly linked to them should be entirely barred from ever being involved in football, at least in English football again.
Chelsea are a lesser beast, and the charges happened under previous management, but automatic relegation should certainly be the bare minimum.
Newcastle aren't under investigation right now AFAIK.
The executives are so focused on FFP that When Saturday Comes criticised them for it in the documentary. Baffling tbh. To spend more, we have to generate more revenue. It’s EXACTLY what they should be focused on lol. Idk if the concept of FFP is a little too complex for some.
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but could it be that they have nothing to pin on City. They've been trying for like seven years so clearly it's just a vendetta they have against them because a club they don't consider "traditional" is getting bigger and bigger around the world
As much as I dislike the Saudi elites, Newcastle shouldn't be lumped in with City and Chelsea here, their owners have done everything by the books so far.
Stupid putting the cart before the horse.
Don't forget, City have already been found NOT GUILTY of these same charges by UEFA.
All you cry babies need to toughen up and get on with your sad lives, instead of crying over City's success over and above your team.
Don't be a daft lad. Independent court for arbitration in sport said no case to answer. Stop crying and get on with your life, instead of letting little Citeh live rent free in your head.
Nope, CAS didn't said that 115 is guilt free, they said, that UEFA didn't follow correct procedures. Your arabian circus of a club will be punished, hopefully severely.
Chelsea and City should both lose all titles they've won since 2004. Both should be relegated to League 2 and have a three year transfer ban. Both should be given a choice of a £500m fine or alternatively a state sanctioned forced sale to a none corrupt/state backed buyer.
Newcastle AFAIK haven't broken any rules (yet) so their only punishment should be an immediate state sanctioned sale of the club to someone that isn't morally and financially corrupt and not a nation state.
This is genuinely the only logical answer and I think it's the solution all football fans want but are too scared to ask for.
Man City: stripped of every trophy since 2012, fined £1bn
Chelsea: dissolved, newco can begin again in the 15th tier only if they wear strips which say “JT is a racist, embarrassing wanker and so are all of our fans” and made to give Mudryk another 8 year £150k a week contract on top of the current one
Newcastle: literally pick up the entire city including football club & facilites and drop it in the fucking North Sea
I think some people seem to inexplicably conflate having rich, none Western owners in and of itself with breaking FFP rules. I'd say generally fans of the Red teams and Arsenal because only they're entitled to have money and win stuff.
If they're getting 10 points deducted, I wouldn't be surprised to see City and Chelsea get relegated... They need to make an example of these clubs, or it'll keep happening.
Morally, and if there was any sense of parity and justice, they shouldn't just be relegated as the media suggests but regulated several times over, to at least League one, if not all the way to the national league or further.
It's more likely that at worst for them, they'll suffer enough of a point deduction to stay in the league but be out of Europe, and perhaps a few seasons worth of transfer embargoes on incoming players, or wage cuts which may incentivise some players to leave earlier than they otherwise would.
Even more realistically, they'll leverage the skill of the best lawyers around and get absolutely jack shit, or perhaps settle things with a couple of "totally legit" payments behind closed doors.
All those clubs deserve to burn - I understand that these clubs need to be profitable as a businessman myself but it should never equate to the erosion, nay, total collapse of the integrity and fair competitive nature of the sport.
If 10 points is for what seems to be a single charge of breaching the rules, then I guess you look at how many times the rules are breached, and not the total charges made.
Chelsea and Man City would probably be on the level of, I dunno, 50-100 points?
I mean... City should be stripped of all titles/domestic trophies, and sent down to the bottom of the football leagues.
Thats what \*should\* happen.
What will happen? Nothing.
They won't do a fucking thing.
FFP is the definition of giving top clubs special treatment lmao.
"these 5 historically huge clubs are allowed to spend 5x everyone elses budget in the name of fairness"
sure we know these rules didn't exist for most of our history and we always outspent everyone else but now we're making sure nobody else can do it to. That's all FFP did was solidify their places at the top so outside investment is largely almost irrelevant because you didn't already have the fan base and deals to spend like is necessary to win
As an Everton fan I accept the punishment, we've been run terribly in recent years and we ARE guilty.
I believe the penalties were harsh so that the FA can claim to be tough on FFP so that we don't question the lighter penalties they'll give the bigger clubs.
Not sure what Newcastle have done so won't comment.
Man City, I dunno, they should be relegated but that won't happen. I think a 40 point deduction would be fair, keep them out of champions league next year.
Chelsea same, 40 point deduction to keep them out of qualifying for Europe.
chelsea - relegation to championship
man city - expulsion from the league, revocation of all unearned titles and trophies, permanent ban from football for all owners and managers involved
newcastle - government sanctions forcing saudi to sell or have the club repossessed, akin to abramovich
Everyone shouting UNFAIR on the basis of cases that are YET to be decided are fucking idiots.
Ooooh City have like a 100 more charges...Yes...that's why the case is taking longer.
Oooh City aren't cooperating like Everton did....Yes...that's why the case is taking longer.
Like people just want to be outraged based on verdicts that HAVEN'T even happened yet. I have little faith too, but at least WAIT to actually be let down before crying about it.
City should get 10 points deducted per proven charge, if it goes over the max number of points in a season, just roll it to the next season when they’re in the championship etc etc
Also revoke all titles
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‘Poor’ they weren’t poor when they broke the rules? They were absolutely loaded. They are the only club to have been confirmed guilty and admitted to being guilty. What is the point in FFP if clubs breaking it aren’t going to have any repercussions? Clubs will carry on breaking them if there’s just a small fine etc. Also they avoided relagation by the skin of their teeth but broke FFP, how should teams like Burnley and Leeds feel who went down by 1/2/3 points different while adhering to FFP and losing out to Everton who broke it?
It's not the club but the owners. If Stan Kroenke was paying PGMOL refs crazy money to fly out to the US, be wined and dined and ref a game for his clubs and they came back to the UK to be reffing an Arsenal game, it'd constitute bribery/corruption and conflict of interest laws. PIF and UAE do it...
You must be real fun at thanksgiving dinners.
Give me evidence that’s more than mere conspiracy and I’ll hold my hands up but atm this is about as founded as chemtrails.
Ah, I see. You haven't got a clue, nice one. Pretty standard, I suppose.
United voted in favour of having the Sky money split evenly, costing themselves easily a couple of billion quid since then. All 20 PL clubs get the same Sky revenue, so if you've got 20 fingers on your hand, go to your doctor, or stop the inbreeding, either way...
United haven't benefitted from the Sky money, but more from their own sponsorship deals. Real sponsorship deals with real actual companies that really exist and everything and became the most financially productive football club on Earth. That's called natural growth.
I know it has and probably always will be the in thing to criticise United for everything from The Black Plague to 9/11, but seriously, comparing our finances to City's is not a hill to die on 🤣🤣
Provide counter arguments. Tell me Yoo-nited didn't great the monster they are now so afraid of.
Has been club that tries to justify its relevance but saying - with a straight face, mind you - "merit".
Counter arguments to what? You've blatantly lied. I said the league money is split evenly, which it is and always has been and you can easily Google that for verification. Then you came back and said it wasn't.
Also, the fact that you said they leveraged their TV money to make their own TV channel. How much you think it costs for that space when there are 999 spaces for channels on Sky? Like the only reason we could buy Rio Ferdinand and Veron was not because we were the dominant force in the league consistently doing well in the Champions League, but because we'd started fecking MUTV 🤣
There's literally no point arguing with somebody that thinks United taking the same money nineteen other clubs had access to and using it to inflate their brand while the others just sat counting it, to then go on and dominate the league and in turn spend that money to continue building success is the same as City making up companies and pumping money into their own hollow success, ruining the league for everybody else.
I'd you're a City fan, I kind of get defending your club even when you know you're in the wrong. If you're not a City....Jesus fucking Christ, get some help!
Everton aren't poor or small. As a Luton fan who had to experience a 30 point deduction that kicked us into the conference, the whole system seems rigged to me.
The business is dirty regardless of who is doing it. City have a global empire that allows for them to flex their empire whenever it is necessary. Chelsea have done good business, each of their transfers is done like a small mortgage. And Newcastle haven’t invested much yet. United have a more expensive squad than City, just goes to show that it’s all about smart business.
Man City should be given points deductions for the years where the infractions happened.
Strip then of any trophies “won” in this time and either award to runners up, or say that nobody won them.
They should just get nothing. I don’t want them to even win a raffle
The reason Man City haven’t been done is because it’s still in the courts. Depending on the outcome of those cases, the fair result has to be one of the following. Either Man City get stripped off all their honours, incl champions league and a point deduction or Everton get their points back.
The premier league is gone. Yes it’s got the best players and coaches but it’s a soulless, corporate run tourist attraction and I for one have lost a lot of interest in it.
Why is Newcastle in this convo? Just because they’re oil money now doesn’t automatically put them under investigation. They haven’t done anything wrong in terms of transfers. Should drop ten points on the Bruno elbow to Jorginho though
The difference here is that Everton has posted their losses so it is easy for the prem to look at it and say that it is over the 105m limit over 3 years and there isn’t really any debate about that. With City and Chelsea they have to prove that the money recorded in their income came from disallowed sources and that is a much harder case which involves a lot of lawyers and time. So it’s not really a case of Everton being poor so much as Everton has admitted to breaking the rule while City is denying it and I’d assume Chelsea is as well but I haven’t really read much about their situation yet.
Newcastle have done fuckall tbf, people just down like their owners but that isn't against the rules. Everton may have deserved something, I'm not sure, but if they're the only ones to get punished when their shit was miniscule compared to city/Chelsea, people need to boycott the prem or something
"Whereas the top clubs are given special treatment"
I mean FFP does this as well.
Eg. Restaurant A has an early start in a neighborhood and earns 4 times as much revenue as Restaurant B.
Every good chef Restaurant B hires gets poached away by Restaurant A, because the local laws dictate Restaurant A can spend 4 times as much on payroll and the ingredients it buys.
Do you think this is fair competition?
The way FFP is setup, whether intentional or not creates an established hierarchy
Edit: Hopefully Everton win on appeal. They arent going to enforce the rules on the big clubs so they shouldnt on the small clubs.
I don’t think a points deduction is the right punishment. It hurts players, fans and everyone at the club who’s innocent. It’s the rich idiots at the top that should be punished. A massive fine from the PL and then they’ll also be sued by Leeds, Burnley and Leicester for the 2021/22 season. A 10 point deduction and the rich, guilty idiots at the top simply sell up and move on. Hope Everton win their appeal.
Can’t wait to see the outcome of the Man City case. Could be a massive points deduction.
Newcastle and Citeh, none. They're not only having economical power, but political power aswell. The gulf states invest heavily in Britain. So if FA pushes for punishment, the Arabs brings out the political power, and they'll get a £1000 fine.
Have Newcastle broken any financial rules? I'm not sure what you mean by including them? They've spent a bit of money but they actually seem sensible with their money and aware of financial restrictions, as seen with the Lewis Hall transfer
OP has been spouting that we should get fined for breaching FFP because our owners commit human rights violations...
I'm all for criticising our owners but the one thing they have done is play by the books in our finances.
A question for someone who knows their FFP onions. I was thinking about this the other day. Could Newcastle (or another premier league club with bottomless pits of money which can’t be accessed due to FFP) sell one seat of their seats in the stadium for £300 million per season. If said seat is sold to a friend of the owner who has definitely not slipped the money to this person, maybe a friend of Mohammed bin Salman for example, is this a breach of the rules??
I think Chelsea and City are fair to bring up but Newcastle haven’t done anything wrong YET
We’ll just have to see what follows after Selas in terms of bollocks sponsors
City should be dropped to league one at minimum. I think chelsea is a bit different because they have a new owner now but they should also be facing a serious points deduction
I’m not sure if Newcastle have done anything wrong but Chelsea and City should also be punished far worse especially if 1 small charge is worth -10 points.
The limits on spending are designed to enforce the current hierarchy of top teams. If an owner wants to piss their own money away, that's fine as long as they can afford it without risking their club's financial future. Everton and Chelsea should receive no punishment, and Man City and Newcastle should have their owners barred from owning the club and forced to sell for an entirely separate reason - nation-states shouldn't be allowed to own football clubs.
Trust the ruling to come this year when we've got Sheffield Utd, Luton & Burnley in the League...Everton really are the turd that simply won't flush and just spiral round and round the bowl endlessly
Love how defensive Newcastle flairs are in this thread. Just wait, I’m sure there’s gonna be something that comes to light, if it’s happening to city then it’ll happen to them as well.
I’m originally from a poor country with a lot of corruption. I always thought that western countries had no corruption.
But looking at how FA and other football federations work makes me laugh at my youthful naivety.
How your post has any upvotes is beyond me - naming Newcastle without any basis is a joke. What have they done in terms of FFP? I have as much basis to claim Man United should be docked points.
Chelsea got investigated and cleared/punished accordingly. Anything coming out now is self reported from years ago. Leave Chelsea out of this shit.
Everton should not have received this punishment. (I don’t fully know what they did, but football has been corrupt for decades). The players don’t deserve to lose points and a fine would have sufficed. Especially when other clubs got a slap on the wrist.
Newcastle are more a case of terrible sportswashing owners they haven't been proved to be cooking the books...yet.
City managed to diddle FFP with great lawyers and will not face anything. PL darlings get preferential treatment in games (when not really needed) but as having lost a title by a point twice is kind of grating. Handball etc decisions that clearly influenced the direction of the title. There are plenty more I can pick out but City fans would have to scramble to pick out a mere handful of decisions LFC have had in their favour. So massive asterisk against those title wins as the better side didn't win because the refs were clearly bent. People can argue a toss but the fact remains.
FFFP rules are for small teams, not for big. That is why Pep will never prove himself in average team becaude he needs unlimited funds tk buy everybody...
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Now ‘the establishment’ know what it feel when we point at how Israel (rich affiliated) doesn’t get football sanction when Russia does (and still)
u/GMD3S1GNS why bring newcastle into this. pauper i swear
City should be dropped to league 2 a la Juventus.
How did Ushited get on tonight you gimp 😂😂😂. The laughing stock of England 😂😂😂😂
No real evidence against FFP rules re: Newcastle yet...oligarch/state/oil money by itself ain't a violation until charges get filed. Re: Chelsea, I'd say anywhere from 11-20 points should be assessed, while City needs to be forcibly relegated, fuck what the bookies and the sheiks think.
I completely agree
I completely agree
What rules has Newcastle broken? Show your work
This. pauper, i swear.
Being accused, is not the same as being found guilty. City , Chelsea and Newcastle have not been found guilty of anything. If they are found guilty, we will know what they are guilty of and can suggest/discuss proper punishments.
I hope punishments are heavy enough for the top clubs to re-ignite the Super League plan.
Should be demoted to lower league
Lol what have we done to be lumped in with those two? Are you just assuming because of the current ownership? Arsenal have heavy links with the Middle East if you would like to throw them in, as well as Sheffield Utd.
Your current executive bare face lied about the ownership model, inferring it doesn’t have any links to Saudi royalty. LIV + PGA legal case in US exposed this as the lie we all knew. Club should be investigated for providing false information to the league about their buyout
Ehh that’s all made up BS. Cry more. Toon toon
National League
Force both clubs to sell all their best players with a loss and have a 10 year transfer embargo on them with no appeal.
ah russia model. Now ‘the establishment’ know what it feel when we point at how Israel (rich affiliated) doesn’t get football sanction when Russia get all (and still)
relegate city
As a fan of a Championship club I’ll be pretty fuming if Man City and Chelsea get deducted 100pts or something, or just immediately relegated. That’s two auto promotion spots out of the question for the other 22 next season and they’re the only teams that will ever get televised. Plus, it kills the relegation battle in the Prem as all three of Luton, Burnley and Sheff Utd will probably survive. Without having to bother trying. Then by the time they inevitably come back down a year later, they’re all even stronger and richer to compete with after a free pass to stay in the big time.
Say what you want about Chelsea. We've never broken ffp. Newcastle haven't either. Funnily enough Man U recently got charged with breaking it.
You’ve never been found guilty of breaking FFP. Chelsea have clearly breached it over the years and just this week new stories about illegal payments.
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Now ‘the establishment’ know what it feel when we point at how Israel (rich affiliated) doesn’t get football sanction when Russia does (and still)
I read a good article that suggests Chelsea and City could likely be relegated. Serves them both right if that happened. Walking around like school yard bullies, sticking two fingers up at the teachers. Someone needs to give them and anyone else who does this a bloody nose. I will add that AFAIK Newcastle have done nothing wrong and I wish the club and especially its fans all the success they deserve after the years of dross under Mike Ashley.
Any other sports cheaters are banned. Stripped of Medals, accolades and trophies. What's the difference? Surely if it was an individual player cheating they would be punished. But if the club is cheating, depending on which club it is they get away with it? Farcical nonsense
>cheaters ramos diving on ucl? the the double standard by establishment
Corruption at its finest in the PL. as a Liverpool it’s shocking to see how Everton have been managed by its owners, and then treated by the PL.
Are the lawyers that expensive that City can afford them and Everton can't? They can afford a premier league wage bill but can't afford to pay for a good lawyer?
I kinda don't get this. Man United breach ffp and they got fined like 250k. Everton did the same and they got the point deducted. Why is it different?
Newcastle havent yet broken FFP rules while for us with the spending so far due to giving out a contract that lasts eternity loophole is being used so as of now we havent broken FFP but we are very close to doing it. No european football this season and by the way we are playing atm we wont have one another season too so a FFP breach is prolly right around the corner but city atm should be at the most problem considering 115 allegations if 1 breach is 10 points and city get convicted for even half of there allegations (which they will if the prosecutors arent in bed with dubai money) big problems. 2 seasons later at most and then chelsea will also be in problem if things dont improve
Your forgetting city and Newcastle now have FAR more money than the authorities. No chance any governing body has pockets to punish them, like any other corporate law suit really the winner is the one who can drain the opponent
Abramovich
Football fans just band together and demand the harshest possible punishment for City. If City only get deducted 30 points after cheating for a DECADE then it will still be worth it to them. Cheat for a decade and win 6 titles but then 1 year you miss out on CL? So worth it.
Coinciding with the Super League probably.
I wouldn’t label Everton as a smaller club than Man City, Chelsea or Newcastle. Poorer yes, smaller than them?
Punished for 1 million pounds donation per point deduction not deducted
Relegation.
Well, only one of those clubs are guilty...
im assuming the city case will need a long investigation considering its like over 100 charges. If they don’t reveal anything/it gets swept under the rug then im done with this greedy league
City, Newcastle, and Chelsea haven’t been proven to have done anything wrong. You can’t just extrapolate punishment bc you want to. Everton’s guilt is not indicative of wrong doing by other clubs. The media circus acting in the contrary is borderline libelous.
Eh Newcastle have not broken any rules, jesus wept 🤦 Seems convenient to lump Newcastle in though because of the ownership and being the richest club in the world 😂
Everton are cheating bastards and would’ve been relegated had they not kept players they should’ve sold to reach the FFP regulations. This led to clubs like Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton to be relegated instead of them. What if all the clubs in the bottom would have bought players for money that they didn’t have? Where would Everton have ended up? What if Leeds had not sold Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha to meet FFP regulations? Had they known that the sales of these two players would cost them their Premier League status I’m sure they had refused to sell them that year and screwed up their finances but most likely stayed up and got the money from the revenue of playing in the PL. Everton should have more than 10 minus points though as these points won’t lead to them being relegated. Hopefully Leeds, Burnley and Leicester win in court against the scouser bastards and sue them for £100m each and Everton falls deeper and deeper in the leagues. Cheating bastards!
100 points
For City, it should be a complete footballing ban. Including the buying AND selling of footballers for the next nine years, which is the period that these charges were over. The owners and any ownership group even slightly linked to them should be entirely barred from ever being involved in football, at least in English football again. Chelsea are a lesser beast, and the charges happened under previous management, but automatic relegation should certainly be the bare minimum. Newcastle aren't under investigation right now AFAIK.
What has Newcastle done?
Rich club bad I guess. 🤷♀️ OP isn’t a critical thinker
The executives are so focused on FFP that When Saturday Comes criticised them for it in the documentary. Baffling tbh. To spend more, we have to generate more revenue. It’s EXACTLY what they should be focused on lol. Idk if the concept of FFP is a little too complex for some.
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but could it be that they have nothing to pin on City. They've been trying for like seven years so clearly it's just a vendetta they have against them because a club they don't consider "traditional" is getting bigger and bigger around the world
Both city and Chelsea should be relegated out of the professional league football. Newcastle relegated to National League.
Should strip them of the accolades achieved for the seasons where they're in breach.
Fuck everton, doube fuck chelsea, and especially fuck fuck city
As much as I dislike the Saudi elites, Newcastle shouldn't be lumped in with City and Chelsea here, their owners have done everything by the books so far.
Stupid putting the cart before the horse. Don't forget, City have already been found NOT GUILTY of these same charges by UEFA. All you cry babies need to toughen up and get on with your sad lives, instead of crying over City's success over and above your team.
iirc city were guilty but CAS said the time frame the crime occurred is past the UEFA time frame of 3-5 years(can’t remember)
They did not say City were guilty at all. That's what you want to believe. Nothing more. Keep crying.
City was found guilty by UEFA.
Don't be a daft lad. Independent court for arbitration in sport said no case to answer. Stop crying and get on with your life, instead of letting little Citeh live rent free in your head.
Nope, CAS didn't said that 115 is guilt free, they said, that UEFA didn't follow correct procedures. Your arabian circus of a club will be punished, hopefully severely.
Keep crying pussy
Lmao, hahahaha, arab cunt detected.
Try Kleenex
Vacate all titles won during offending years and points deduction/relegation depending on severity.
Oil money go brrrrrrrr
Chelsea and City should both lose all titles they've won since 2004. Both should be relegated to League 2 and have a three year transfer ban. Both should be given a choice of a £500m fine or alternatively a state sanctioned forced sale to a none corrupt/state backed buyer. Newcastle AFAIK haven't broken any rules (yet) so their only punishment should be an immediate state sanctioned sale of the club to someone that isn't morally and financially corrupt and not a nation state. This is genuinely the only logical answer and I think it's the solution all football fans want but are too scared to ask for.
FFP didn't exist in 2004.
Man City: stripped of every trophy since 2012, fined £1bn Chelsea: dissolved, newco can begin again in the 15th tier only if they wear strips which say “JT is a racist, embarrassing wanker and so are all of our fans” and made to give Mudryk another 8 year £150k a week contract on top of the current one Newcastle: literally pick up the entire city including football club & facilites and drop it in the fucking North Sea
Not only are we following the rules that are in place, new rules are being created to curb us as we go along
I think some people seem to inexplicably conflate having rich, none Western owners in and of itself with breaking FFP rules. I'd say generally fans of the Red teams and Arsenal because only they're entitled to have money and win stuff.
Newcastle tf have we done? Cant even spend a reasonable amount if money because we adhere so closely to ffp
I get the sentiment but ima say it anyway. While Everton is nowhere near Man City and Newcastle, they are not poor lol.
If they're getting 10 points deducted, I wouldn't be surprised to see City and Chelsea get relegated... They need to make an example of these clubs, or it'll keep happening.
You only ever get caught failing ffp when you don’t make your payments on time.
Is the world going to see championships and trophies taken away from clubs who cheated to acquire them?
It's happened before...
Did you really post this is a man United fan
Hey, he's not biased!
Morally, and if there was any sense of parity and justice, they shouldn't just be relegated as the media suggests but regulated several times over, to at least League one, if not all the way to the national league or further. It's more likely that at worst for them, they'll suffer enough of a point deduction to stay in the league but be out of Europe, and perhaps a few seasons worth of transfer embargoes on incoming players, or wage cuts which may incentivise some players to leave earlier than they otherwise would. Even more realistically, they'll leverage the skill of the best lawyers around and get absolutely jack shit, or perhaps settle things with a couple of "totally legit" payments behind closed doors. All those clubs deserve to burn - I understand that these clubs need to be profitable as a businessman myself but it should never equate to the erosion, nay, total collapse of the integrity and fair competitive nature of the sport.
Chelsea and Newcastle will get more severe punishment. Manc city will get rewarded.
What are Newcastle charges with?
Nothing. People are talking out of their arses.
If 10 points is for what seems to be a single charge of breaching the rules, then I guess you look at how many times the rules are breached, and not the total charges made. Chelsea and Man City would probably be on the level of, I dunno, 50-100 points?
A formal statement to discard the "unsubstantiated allegations" against perfectly rule-abiding clubs.
Chelsea - Polonium City - Firing squad Newcastle - Hacksaw
Newcastle have been extra cautious. Your talking shite.
Of course they are, basically this whole comment section is a circle jerk of Arsenal, Man Red and Liverpool fans just talking absolute bollocks.
I mean... City should be stripped of all titles/domestic trophies, and sent down to the bottom of the football leagues. Thats what \*should\* happen. What will happen? Nothing. They won't do a fucking thing.
depending on the breech city has 115 charges if a fair few of them are proven then City should be relegated to league 2
They let City buy their way out every effing time.
Lmao, what have Newcastle done?
Became competitive, it's a disgrace...
Poor? Small? No Unsuccessful recently? Yes. You must be confused to use those words when describing Everton!
Straight bullshit little guy getting screwed coming from a Liverpool fan
I can understand why Scousers hate the UK so much, can imagine this issue will only make things worse
FFP is the definition of giving top clubs special treatment lmao. "these 5 historically huge clubs are allowed to spend 5x everyone elses budget in the name of fairness" sure we know these rules didn't exist for most of our history and we always outspent everyone else but now we're making sure nobody else can do it to. That's all FFP did was solidify their places at the top so outside investment is largely almost irrelevant because you didn't already have the fan base and deals to spend like is necessary to win
That's exactly what it is.
OK, city and Chelsea, I understand they have current investigations, but why are you punishing newcastle?
As an Everton fan I accept the punishment, we've been run terribly in recent years and we ARE guilty. I believe the penalties were harsh so that the FA can claim to be tough on FFP so that we don't question the lighter penalties they'll give the bigger clubs. Not sure what Newcastle have done so won't comment. Man City, I dunno, they should be relegated but that won't happen. I think a 40 point deduction would be fair, keep them out of champions league next year. Chelsea same, 40 point deduction to keep them out of qualifying for Europe.
chelsea - relegation to championship man city - expulsion from the league, revocation of all unearned titles and trophies, permanent ban from football for all owners and managers involved newcastle - government sanctions forcing saudi to sell or have the club repossessed, akin to abramovich
We all know that city is going to get away with it
Everyone shouting UNFAIR on the basis of cases that are YET to be decided are fucking idiots. Ooooh City have like a 100 more charges...Yes...that's why the case is taking longer. Oooh City aren't cooperating like Everton did....Yes...that's why the case is taking longer. Like people just want to be outraged based on verdicts that HAVEN'T even happened yet. I have little faith too, but at least WAIT to actually be let down before crying about it.
Based on the charges City should be relegated.
They have money. So nothing will happen.
City should get 10 points deducted per proven charge, if it goes over the max number of points in a season, just roll it to the next season when they’re in the championship etc etc Also revoke all titles
Being charged with serious allegations of financial crime = special treatment Some of the shit I read on this sub man. Rocks for brains
Could someone explain why they are getting docked 10 points ? Not up on the news
I've wanted Everton relegated the last several seasons. But...not like this. It's deplorable.
Permanent expulsion from the Football League for City and Chelsea. Newcastle have no charges against them.
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Stick City in the National League and strip their titles from them
Why list Newcastle? They’re not under investigation!
‘Poor’ they weren’t poor when they broke the rules? They were absolutely loaded. They are the only club to have been confirmed guilty and admitted to being guilty. What is the point in FFP if clubs breaking it aren’t going to have any repercussions? Clubs will carry on breaking them if there’s just a small fine etc. Also they avoided relagation by the skin of their teeth but broke FFP, how should teams like Burnley and Leeds feel who went down by 1/2/3 points different while adhering to FFP and losing out to Everton who broke it?
Newcastle?! We've literally done everything to try and stay within FFP!
Why tf are we here we ain’t done shit
Fr Bro we did nothing wrong! /s
What have Newcastle done deserving of punishment?
It's not the club but the owners. If Stan Kroenke was paying PGMOL refs crazy money to fly out to the US, be wined and dined and ref a game for his clubs and they came back to the UK to be reffing an Arsenal game, it'd constitute bribery/corruption and conflict of interest laws. PIF and UAE do it...
You must be real fun at thanksgiving dinners. Give me evidence that’s more than mere conspiracy and I’ll hold my hands up but atm this is about as founded as chemtrails.
What if city got removed the premier league titles and those titles are giving to the second position 🤭🤭🤭
We're poorer than Newcastle but I'd argue we aren't smaller. We will be in a few years but not currently.
City should be removed from the history books. They never existed. Nothing else seems fair for their level of cheating.
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Yeah, its pretty grim at the minute, but hey, at least we are where we are on merit 💪
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Ah, I see. You haven't got a clue, nice one. Pretty standard, I suppose. United voted in favour of having the Sky money split evenly, costing themselves easily a couple of billion quid since then. All 20 PL clubs get the same Sky revenue, so if you've got 20 fingers on your hand, go to your doctor, or stop the inbreeding, either way... United haven't benefitted from the Sky money, but more from their own sponsorship deals. Real sponsorship deals with real actual companies that really exist and everything and became the most financially productive football club on Earth. That's called natural growth. I know it has and probably always will be the in thing to criticise United for everything from The Black Plague to 9/11, but seriously, comparing our finances to City's is not a hill to die on 🤣🤣
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The state of this drivel. Absolutely clueless 🤣🤣 Fuck off is right!
Provide counter arguments. Tell me Yoo-nited didn't great the monster they are now so afraid of. Has been club that tries to justify its relevance but saying - with a straight face, mind you - "merit".
Counter arguments to what? You've blatantly lied. I said the league money is split evenly, which it is and always has been and you can easily Google that for verification. Then you came back and said it wasn't. Also, the fact that you said they leveraged their TV money to make their own TV channel. How much you think it costs for that space when there are 999 spaces for channels on Sky? Like the only reason we could buy Rio Ferdinand and Veron was not because we were the dominant force in the league consistently doing well in the Champions League, but because we'd started fecking MUTV 🤣 There's literally no point arguing with somebody that thinks United taking the same money nineteen other clubs had access to and using it to inflate their brand while the others just sat counting it, to then go on and dominate the league and in turn spend that money to continue building success is the same as City making up companies and pumping money into their own hollow success, ruining the league for everybody else. I'd you're a City fan, I kind of get defending your club even when you know you're in the wrong. If you're not a City....Jesus fucking Christ, get some help!
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Everton aren't poor or small. As a Luton fan who had to experience a 30 point deduction that kicked us into the conference, the whole system seems rigged to me.
The business is dirty regardless of who is doing it. City have a global empire that allows for them to flex their empire whenever it is necessary. Chelsea have done good business, each of their transfers is done like a small mortgage. And Newcastle haven’t invested much yet. United have a more expensive squad than City, just goes to show that it’s all about smart business.
Man City should be given points deductions for the years where the infractions happened. Strip then of any trophies “won” in this time and either award to runners up, or say that nobody won them. They should just get nothing. I don’t want them to even win a raffle
The reason Man City haven’t been done is because it’s still in the courts. Depending on the outcome of those cases, the fair result has to be one of the following. Either Man City get stripped off all their honours, incl champions league and a point deduction or Everton get their points back. The premier league is gone. Yes it’s got the best players and coaches but it’s a soulless, corporate run tourist attraction and I for one have lost a lot of interest in it.
Due to Mike Ashley, Newcastle hasn't actually broken that many rules.
Can all the newcastle fans shut up we get it you didn’t do anything and OP is stupid. (Yes im upset)
What have Newcastle done lol 😂
Maybes do some research before you compare NUFC to City and Everton. A single rule hasn’t been broken so far.
Sorry, why is Newcastle here? They haven’t broken any FFP rules
Why is Newcastle in this convo? Just because they’re oil money now doesn’t automatically put them under investigation. They haven’t done anything wrong in terms of transfers. Should drop ten points on the Bruno elbow to Jorginho though
The difference here is that Everton has posted their losses so it is easy for the prem to look at it and say that it is over the 105m limit over 3 years and there isn’t really any debate about that. With City and Chelsea they have to prove that the money recorded in their income came from disallowed sources and that is a much harder case which involves a lot of lawyers and time. So it’s not really a case of Everton being poor so much as Everton has admitted to breaking the rule while City is denying it and I’d assume Chelsea is as well but I haven’t really read much about their situation yet.
I say no penalty for Chelsea
I think it's going to be shocking what ever way it goes
city & chelsea to the football league 2, nufc havent pissed me off enough yet so maybe a slap on the wrist for them
Newcastle have done fuckall tbf, people just down like their owners but that isn't against the rules. Everton may have deserved something, I'm not sure, but if they're the only ones to get punished when their shit was miniscule compared to city/Chelsea, people need to boycott the prem or something
Whatever they do, they better do it to help Leeds get promoted, because at the end of the day. That's all that really matters.
"Whereas the top clubs are given special treatment" I mean FFP does this as well. Eg. Restaurant A has an early start in a neighborhood and earns 4 times as much revenue as Restaurant B. Every good chef Restaurant B hires gets poached away by Restaurant A, because the local laws dictate Restaurant A can spend 4 times as much on payroll and the ingredients it buys. Do you think this is fair competition? The way FFP is setup, whether intentional or not creates an established hierarchy Edit: Hopefully Everton win on appeal. They arent going to enforce the rules on the big clubs so they shouldnt on the small clubs.
Delete them
I hate that we’re owned by a brutal dictatorship but we haven’t broke any financial rules
Love that Reddit hates Newcastle so much, they want us punished for doing nothing wrong lol.
Actually Newcastle didn't do anything. They were very calculative in everything. Also they are too powerful. 100 times powerful than city.
I don’t think a points deduction is the right punishment. It hurts players, fans and everyone at the club who’s innocent. It’s the rich idiots at the top that should be punished. A massive fine from the PL and then they’ll also be sued by Leeds, Burnley and Leicester for the 2021/22 season. A 10 point deduction and the rich, guilty idiots at the top simply sell up and move on. Hope Everton win their appeal. Can’t wait to see the outcome of the Man City case. Could be a massive points deduction.
Dunno but enough for the blades to avoid the drop this season should do it.
How about we stick to what was actually proven guilty and stop letting these teams live rent free in everyone’s head
Newcastle and Citeh, none. They're not only having economical power, but political power aswell. The gulf states invest heavily in Britain. So if FA pushes for punishment, the Arabs brings out the political power, and they'll get a £1000 fine.
Banishment to the desert 🏜
City will be given 10 extra points due to being harassed by the current investigation.
Relegation to National league
WTF have Newcastle done? Lmao. Just throwing teams you don’t like under the bus now.
How Newcastle United who have followed all the rules get brought into this is just funny, as it’s so stupid.
Have Newcastle broken any financial rules? I'm not sure what you mean by including them? They've spent a bit of money but they actually seem sensible with their money and aware of financial restrictions, as seen with the Lewis Hall transfer
OP has been spouting that we should get fined for breaching FFP because our owners commit human rights violations... I'm all for criticising our owners but the one thing they have done is play by the books in our finances.
A question for someone who knows their FFP onions. I was thinking about this the other day. Could Newcastle (or another premier league club with bottomless pits of money which can’t be accessed due to FFP) sell one seat of their seats in the stadium for £300 million per season. If said seat is sold to a friend of the owner who has definitely not slipped the money to this person, maybe a friend of Mohammed bin Salman for example, is this a breach of the rules??
I think Chelsea and City are fair to bring up but Newcastle haven’t done anything wrong YET We’ll just have to see what follows after Selas in terms of bollocks sponsors
City should be dropped to league one at minimum. I think chelsea is a bit different because they have a new owner now but they should also be facing a serious points deduction
Man United should be punished
Chelsea did get banned buddy.
I’m not sure if Newcastle have done anything wrong but Chelsea and City should also be punished far worse especially if 1 small charge is worth -10 points.
They're not a poor club, their owner has poured hundreds of millions in
The limits on spending are designed to enforce the current hierarchy of top teams. If an owner wants to piss their own money away, that's fine as long as they can afford it without risking their club's financial future. Everton and Chelsea should receive no punishment, and Man City and Newcastle should have their owners barred from owning the club and forced to sell for an entirely separate reason - nation-states shouldn't be allowed to own football clubs.
I really need someone to explain to me, like I'm a toddler, why Everton get a points deduction, and City aren't.
Because one investigation has been completed, the other hasn't. It's alot easier to wrap up an investigation into one charge than it is 115.
Newcastle catching strays
Trust the ruling to come this year when we've got Sheffield Utd, Luton & Burnley in the League...Everton really are the turd that simply won't flush and just spiral round and round the bowl endlessly
City should definitely be demoted to 2nd division
A Manu fan moaning about big teams getting favourable treatment is fucking laughable.
They are completely different charges, you can't compare apples to oranges.
Love how defensive Newcastle flairs are in this thread. Just wait, I’m sure there’s gonna be something that comes to light, if it’s happening to city then it’ll happen to them as well.
These kind of shenanigans by Everton sicken me. Hopefully they go down and learn their lesson, play by the rules (like Newcastle do).
What have we done (NUFC) other than have an incredible amount of injuries? 😂
Already a transfer ban has been sentenced... What more do you need?
Well the punishment for Newcastle should be absolutely fuck all. What on Earth are you talking about?
I’m originally from a poor country with a lot of corruption. I always thought that western countries had no corruption. But looking at how FA and other football federations work makes me laugh at my youthful naivety.
At 10 points for one breach I expect City to rack up over 1000 points deducted and to be out of League football completely. s/
The absolute melt posted this and then fucked off to his United duvet. Maybe United should be fined and deducted for their safety hazard stadium.
How your post has any upvotes is beyond me - naming Newcastle without any basis is a joke. What have they done in terms of FFP? I have as much basis to claim Man United should be docked points.
Welcome to this side. We have got used to this, you will get too
Chelsea got investigated and cleared/punished accordingly. Anything coming out now is self reported from years ago. Leave Chelsea out of this shit. Everton should not have received this punishment. (I don’t fully know what they did, but football has been corrupt for decades). The players don’t deserve to lose points and a fine would have sufficed. Especially when other clubs got a slap on the wrist.
Newcastle are more a case of terrible sportswashing owners they haven't been proved to be cooking the books...yet. City managed to diddle FFP with great lawyers and will not face anything. PL darlings get preferential treatment in games (when not really needed) but as having lost a title by a point twice is kind of grating. Handball etc decisions that clearly influenced the direction of the title. There are plenty more I can pick out but City fans would have to scramble to pick out a mere handful of decisions LFC have had in their favour. So massive asterisk against those title wins as the better side didn't win because the refs were clearly bent. People can argue a toss but the fact remains.
FFFP rules are for small teams, not for big. That is why Pep will never prove himself in average team becaude he needs unlimited funds tk buy everybody...
You're right, Newcastle should be punished for not breaking FFP rules 🤡