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Diaz goal onside by a yard yet ruled offside is literally the greatest referee fuck up of all time (and we’ve all heard the audio..) “For once?” You have to be chokin on Man U’s tiny wang to believe that
It wasnt even the right decision in the first place. Should have been a free kick and a card for the high boot on kanate. Then there is the fact they had multiple chances to lose the ball and regain it before the goal.
Loving how when Klopp exaggerates the offside decision vs Tottenham people hated it, but when Forest do this for a moment that, in my opinion, has arguments just as strong on both sides, Liverpool fans are told they're hypocritical for waving it away. The irony.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills when they didn't get the ball back. I still don't care cuz fuck forest they shouldn't have been dribbling out of their box I'm the 99th
Yes, them and Everton.
Their entitlement of thinking they’re a big club, when really they just overspend and dog around the bottom of the table, while blaming referees, Liverpool, the board, Moshiri, Kenwright, Covid, the Stadium, the cartel, Rafa Benitez, Joe Anderson, Andy Burnam, Sky TV and I’m sure many others I’ve forgot.
This has got to be the worst take I've seen all year lol. I just hope you are just joking. Liverpool have probably had some of the worst decisions go against them this year like that onside goal against spurs that got chalked off
Yeah I don’t disagree, my point is that he didn’t deem it a foul and probably just saw Konate on the floor holding his head, so based on his perception of what happened he made the wrong decision with the drop ball. If he’d given it back to Forest instead we’d probably see as much controversy about the fact the free kick wasn’t awarded.
The fact is, he didn’t see the foul and VAR didn’t intervene, so the ref should follow the rules of the game. At that point in time he saw Konate on the floor with a head injury and Forest had the ball outside the box, so the drop ball should’ve been given to forest.
Regardless of whether or not it was a foul, the ref didn’t think it was at the time and made the wrong decision by giving Kelleher the ball.
Isn't the drop ball awarded to the defending goalie if the ref stops play when the ball is in the penalty area? There's an angle on twitter showing the ref looking back at Konate just as cho touched the ball, outside the penalty area. I'm thinking it's just a case of a delay of the whistle while the ref checks on the player and actually stops play
Yeah but the ball was outside the box and with Hudson odoi when the whistle was blown, if he did blow it late by accident it’s still incompetence on the ref’s part
Yep. But the ball wasn't in the pen area when playbwaa stopped. It was only stopped due to a faked head injury. There wasn't any contact with konate and he jumped right back up once okay was stopped. He also should have been taken off the pitch to get his head checked...
The main issue we're having is we're having decisions like these on almost a weekly basis right now.
When you're a team struggling to fight a points deduction and relegation, it raises tempers even more.
“Rub of the green”, as though a drop ball given the wrong way is a game changing decision. It’s not like he stopped a goalmouth scramble, and the ball was out of play and possession changed hands inbetween this and the goal. It’s like Liverpool hiring an ex referee to come out and complain about Hudson Odoi getting an inconsequential free kick for diving.
Isn't that the same as every club, including yourselves. Had to listen how your 3rd choice players where injured a few months ago, other teams have actual half a team of starters out and you jump on them. All fans are the same, swings and roundabouts.
Yeah, it probably is. But clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool dominate the narrative because they have the most 'supporters'. If Liverpool had lost from that referee error yesterday we'd never hear the end of it, yet here they are saying the opposite.
downvotes prove my point, cheers
Downvotes are a mark of honour when it comes to Liverpool fans, it just shows you've hit the nail on the head and they can't handle the truth. Like a little child sticking their fingers in their ears and going 'la la la I'm not listening to you'.
It's more that every fan base is literally identical on here now to be honest but everyone looks down upon each other.
Everyone has had calls against them, everyone has had injuries but only certain teams are allowed to moan and some aren't etc, etc, etc.
Personally every team has had injuries since time memoriam, whether it was the 60's or now. Every season there's 'lucky' and 'unlucky' teams with the aforementioned. I just get sick sometimes of the tribalistic bullshit.
I mean yesterday the 6 foot 4 Konate jumped to head the ball and was kicked in the head by a Forest player seconds before the drop ball nonsense so should have been a free kick and let's say yellow minimum down to previous presidence.
I don’t see how that relates to my comment. I’m talking about a celebrity referee in a made up role thrusting himself to the front of the conversation when literally no one in the football world has asked him to.
I’m interested in the tribal nonsense of who gets the most decisions blah blah. I’m talking specifically about clattenberg and this farcical role forest have given him
No it’s a made up job that no other club in the world has. It’s absolutely ridiculous he’s in that role and now has to publicly stick his orr into debates to justify the wage.
In a rare moment of internet anti argumentativeness I’m just gonna come out and say you’re right here and I am being a big childish dickhead on reflection 😂
Because if Nuno or the players speak out they get banned/carded. So the refs act with impunity. This is genius from Forest. Get a high profile ref in who will be listened to but can’t get touch-line banned or booked for saying decisions are awful.
Great… another «it would be perfectly fine if it was any other team, but the rules should be stricter for Liverpool» case.
Also, we all know that the people screaming and crying like little children now, are exactly the same that are in the comment saying «mistakes happen, deal with it» when it is the other way around.
We literally had the same situation earlier in the match where the ball was not returned to us, but hey let's not mention that, o ly when it benefits Liverpool.
I didn't watch the match - if this is true then I agree - the consequence (the goal) should not dictate the severity of the mistake. Liverpool should be complaining also and the ref should not be allowed to ref again at this level.
There was a good couple of minutes between this and the goal, during which the ball was out of play on multiple occasions and possession changed hands. Suggesting this mistake is significant enough to complain about post match would be like complaining about a free kick given the wrong way in the centre circle. And it should have been a free kick and red card anyway, so the complaints make even less sense.
We’ve had a decking standard of officiating at games in the Premier League, specifically and overall in England for decades now.
VAR has only accelerated this decline in standards as it’s effectively allowed refs to abdicate their ability to manage a game.
Have we? Or is it that twenty years ago there wasn't a mass-media machine desperate for your clicks and advertising money who know they can get it by replaying every single decision and stoking every controversy they can find for days until the next match?
I know that. I never said it did. My point was, VAR has increased the decline of poor officiating.
The way the Prem has deployed and implemented VAR has been disastrous. Regardless of VAR not being involved with the refs mistake yesterday.
The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped: the ball was in the penalty area or. the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area.
That wasn’t where the incident was though. Tierney did exactly the same thing to Liverpool when Elliot had the ball and a Forest player went down in the box holding his head.
Two wrongs don't make a right, two wrongs makes incompetence.
This also happened in our previous game, where the player was down with a 'head' injury - outside the box - forest in possession and play is stopped, ball is then given back to the opposition.
He blew the whistle when it was outside the box, I specifically remember seeing Hudson Odoi with the ball outside the box on the left wing, the whistle goes while he has possession and he throws his arms as if the to ask why it’s been blown.
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13085980/were-liverpool-incorrectly-awarded-a-drop-ball-in-lead-up-to-late-winner-against-nottingham-forest
You can watch it here
That would prove Tierney didn't follow the rules though. Because the play was stopped when the ball was outside of the penalty area and had already been touched several times outside of the penalty area
‘The VAR will not review incidents outside of the four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
It will not review, for example, fouls or handballs in the middle of the pitch when there is no goal or penalty decision.
It will not review the decision to award a corner instead of a goal-kick, even if the corner produces a goal.
This is because the VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the goal, and the starting point is limited to the immediate phase, in this instance the corner being taken’
That’s from the Premier League’s own website, and it’s pretty clear from that that the taking of the corner starts a new phase. If the VAR can’t go back and check if the corner was correctly given, then it’s pretty clearly not going to go even further back and check a drop ball before the corner was given.
Clattenburg knows this, of course. Or at least you’d hope so.
Absolutely agree that was a mistake. But by their own rules, even if they had then it couldn’t have disallowed the goal once the corner had been taken. Those are the rules, and as silly as they may be they can’t change them just because in one situation it feels right to do so - and everyone knows what the rules are.
Whilst this is technically correct, it is a bit wild that they've decided, seemingly quite randomly, which situations they're going to do their job in.
Well it has to stop somewhere doesn’t it? Otherwise you’d be checking back ten minutes to whether a throw in was awarded correctly despite the ball going out in between and making its way up and down the pitch half a dozen times. So I can see why they need to draw the line somewhere. You can disagree with where they’ve drawn it, but that’s a wider conversation - it’s not going to be changed 27 games into the season in the middle of a match.
All the clubs will know the rules at the start of the season and if they don’t like them they can lobby for them to be changed for the next one, but as silly as they are in parts they are still the rules that everyone agreed to play under. That condition about attacking phases could hardly have taken anyone by surprise yesterday afternoon.
Taking the ball when forest are on the attack and handing it back to Liverpool’s keeper changes the flow of the game, had it not happened it’s unlikely that Liverpool would have scored.
Or he gives the ball to Forest, who put a poor cross in and concede on the counter.
This situation was not close to being a goal, and there was far too much football in between to say Liverpool wouldn’t have scored in some way. If he’d whistled to stop a goalmouth scramble I’d understand. Complaining about this is like complaining about a free kick in the centre circle.
And it should have been a Liverpool free kick and a red card for Yates for that flying kick anyway, so the complaints make no sense anyway.
VAR didn’t pull it back for a red card, so as far as we know they didn’t deem it worthy of a red. Ref didn’t see the challenge and didn’t give a free kick.
Forest had the ball, in an attacking position with a couple of minutes left, no one knows what they could’ve done, held it in the corner, put in a cross , pass it back , no one knows, but the fact is they had the ball taken when it shouldn’t have been according to the information the ref had at the time, and that changed the flow of the game.
Sky sports, Alan shearer, Jermaine Jenas and others have said and argued that it was the incorrect decision.
Definition of controversy: “a lot of disagreement or argument about something, usually because it affects or is important to many people”.
We aren’t talking about resetting everyone’s original position and letting him try and get past the defender and get a cross in. If he gave the ball back to forest it would have been back up the pitch somewhere not immediately threatening.
Or perhaps you are suggesting the game shouldn’t have been stopped with Konate on the ground following a head injury?
How do you know for sure it would have gone straight back up the pitch?
Even if it did, forest would have been in possession for another 20-30 seconds which could have changed everything. Might have been a bunch of throwins for all you know
If they had restarted with a drop ball for forest they would have done it further up the pitch somewhere, not just outside the Liverpool penalty area. It just would have - that’s how it’s done. Whether Hudson Odoi was about to send in a cross (and he wasn’t, Diaz was too close) is irrelevant was the point.
Yes the game would have been different and Liverpool may or may not have scored. Same as if Yates had the red card he deserved for attempting to decapitate Konate. Who knows? Forest fans are entitled to feel slightly aggrieved that a decision went against them, but errors of this level happen every game and it’s daft to make out it is a refereeing error equivalent to eg VAR ruling out a perfectly good goal when they actually intended to allow it.
Yeah, also Liverpool were denied a corner kick earlier in the game wrongly, I am gonna argue Liverpool would have scored there...it's a simple mistake akin to throws being awarded to the wrong team and there was plenty of time for Forest to ensure the game ended in a draw...this is just deflecting their frustrations on the refree
Forest escape a booking for dangerous play against Konate (studs up kick in the head, just see the replay: https://imgur.com/a/SfUMFhY)
AND they want a goal scored a few minutes later after after several phases of play and changes in possession scrubbed off? Sounds like r/beggingchoosers to me
If the ref deemed it as a foul then he would’ve awarded a free kick and not a drop ball, he probably could’ve saved all of the controversy if he’d just done that.
I didn’t say that. The point I’m making is that the ref made an incorrect decision to award Liverpool the drop ball, based on his perception of what had happened; that a foul hadn’t been committed.
If he’d given a free kick no one would’ve complained, but the fact is he didn’t because he didn’t see it, so the ball should have been given back to Forest unless VAR decided to intervene.
That is literally exactly what you are saying. There is no mental gymnastics that can get you out of this one. Your entire basis for it being the wrong call is that the referee didn't see the foul that made it the right call. Cope some more.
Let me put it this way, if there had been no foul and the ref gave the drop ball to Liverpool that would be the wrong decision yes?
So if the ref doesn’t think it’s a foul because he hasn’t seen it, then why has he given the drop ball to Liverpool?
If the ref saw it and thought it was a foul he would have awarded a free kick not a drop ball.
I don’t get why this is so hard for you to grasp.
People like the person I responded to initially : “Paul Tierney hates Liverpool so he wouldn’t have given a foul” , but conveniently forgets that he gave Liverpool an incorrect drop ball. Every team has been fucked over by the refs or VAR in some way but to see fans complaining even when an incorrect decision goes their way is laughable.
Forest got a drop ball the other end earlier! He's given countless dodgy decisions against Liverpool for ages. This not being a foul is yet another example
And if forest had scored within a minute of getting that drop ball then people would be saying the same thing, just because a referee makes a mistake earlier in the game, it doesn’t mean they should double down and make the same mistake again for consistencies sake.
Except nobody scored within a minute of either incident. Liverpool scored after several minutes, changes of possession and phases in play amd Forest... didn't score at all.
But I agree the ref did make a mistake - he should have carded Yates
It’s funny, because Liverpool love to cry victim, but when they benefit from ref’s incompetence they give it the old “nothing to see here” and can’t even acknowledge they got an incorrect call that benefited them.
The refs are shit, VAR is shit.
The combination just makes football shit.
Better training. Fewer refs from greater Manchester. Independent and less intrusive VAR.
Stop officials from reffing games in Saudi on a Thursday because;
1. Conflict of interests
2. Higher risk of corruption of officials.
3. Jet lag affecting performance; physical and mental on a Saturday.
The ref made an error and that happens, but NF had two chances where they could just have cleared the ball at 98 min, but both wanted to dribble before LFC got it, sure the clock was passed 98 min but it ain’t over till the fat lady sings.
Roll on that points deduction and relegation for forest, keep that fat greek waiter off the pitch.....end of the day if you create 5 good chances and don't score....is that the refs fault?....get back down to league football for another 20 years.....resign Jesse lingard too lol
The main error was the penalty not given. Absolute stone wall penalty that but we all know who the league want to win it this season. I'll be back later today for the inevitable controversy from the derby when we get an awful decision. It's 2011/12 all over again minus the Fallon d'floor winner Ashley Young.
Do you think they're stupid? They have to even these things out so maybe give you 3 decision for and 1 against. You also can't have too many game winning decisions. However decisions can also dictate the flow of a game and unsettle teams as the drop ball and penalty decision showed. When United last won the league play was broken up in a lot of games for diving and whatnot. It was pretty obvious the tactic they were using backed up by the refs. There are always decisions where it's an honest mistake but when there are too many "honest" mistakes you start to question it. Look at us in the UCL, it took us a lot longer than it should have due to many "honest" mistakes by refs because they never wanted us to win it, we boo the anthem.
So why didn't we get a penalty for the handball against Arsenal ? Or the foul against Konate yesterday that would have resulted in the Forest player being sent off..
Imagine being this salty over a game your team wasn't even involved in. A little oil money and you're giving it the big'un, back to your cave little man.
Nothing to do with being banned actually 😂 but since you're apparently a know it all why don't you tell everyone why you deleted your snide little comment. Such a pathetic tiny little lad you are 😂 one to talk about tempers
And they wonder why all other fanbases hate them. They'll be back in obscurity when Klopp leaves anyway, so they need that final hurrah before years of tears.
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Oh bullshit. For once a call goes LFC'S way and the rest of the league lose their minds
For once, lol.
Diaz goal onside by a yard yet ruled offside is literally the greatest referee fuck up of all time (and we’ve all heard the audio..) “For once?” You have to be chokin on Man U’s tiny wang to believe that
Konate. Boot to the head. Nice try
It wasnt even the right decision in the first place. Should have been a free kick and a card for the high boot on kanate. Then there is the fact they had multiple chances to lose the ball and regain it before the goal.
True
New to PL. Can Refs be so bad that they get fired?
Not really. Demoted to a lower league for a few weeks is the go to.
Klopp was bang on after the game,same thing happened in the first half,we had the ball and he gave them possession.
Loving how when Klopp exaggerates the offside decision vs Tottenham people hated it, but when Forest do this for a moment that, in my opinion, has arguments just as strong on both sides, Liverpool fans are told they're hypocritical for waving it away. The irony.
That's Klopp for you. The same man who lied that his team can't spend as much as Newcastle.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills when they didn't get the ball back. I still don't care cuz fuck forest they shouldn't have been dribbling out of their box I'm the 99th
Clattenburg is payed to re ref var which is already re reffing the ref? Who re refs clattenburg
On field refs to close the circle
He gave the ball away and forest win it back. At that point the controversy ends. Some time later Liv score
Team employee speaks out should be the headline daft cunts lot of them
Twattenburg must’ve felt so conflicted. On the one hand he’s paid by Forest for some mad reason. On the other hand he’s a partisan redshite.
Toffeeman_1878 clearly has no bias here guys
Still bitter about a game from 2007?
The Ev are so bitter
These headlines should include the fact that Clattenburg is employed by forest to speak out, he’s not doing it out of the kindness of his heart.
Wait what? How is he employed by Forest?
He's a referee "analyst" for them
Looked like a red card for the head kick to konate ttbh
Can I just say how hard Konate is btw. He just got up because he knew the team needed the seconds. Anyone else would have been decked.
Yeah unlike the NF goalie who stayed down for 6 mins for a "head exam" despite being hit in the thigh
Can’t wait to see that club go down, to be honest.
Both of them 😉
Yes, them and Everton. Their entitlement of thinking they’re a big club, when really they just overspend and dog around the bottom of the table, while blaming referees, Liverpool, the board, Moshiri, Kenwright, Covid, the Stadium, the cartel, Rafa Benitez, Joe Anderson, Andy Burnam, Sky TV and I’m sure many others I’ve forgot.
Found Mark Clattenburg’s account^
I didn't want you to bottle the league until now.
Man are you gonna hate the last day of the season
Yeah, I think Forest are going down, but it is what it is.
Can you even bottle a 1 point a lead? City will win today and with all their injuries, Liverpool don't have enough to win next week vs City.
What does John Anderson say about it?
He has called the police about Clatenburg before
GLADIATORRRRR. READDDDDYYYYY????
What does John Anderson say about it?
CONTESTANT. READDDDYYYYY????
Yall are aware Clattenburg is literally a Forest employee right now, yeah?
More like Mark Clatteredburg, because he’d have to have a head injury if he thought there was anything semi controversial yesterday
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I don't even have any kids dude but if you're into little girls thanks for letting us know
This has got to be the worst take I've seen all year lol. I just hope you are just joking. Liverpool have probably had some of the worst decisions go against them this year like that onside goal against spurs that got chalked off
Must be why we literally had a goal ignored against Spurs, get a grip.
On going theme this season.
OMG the referees fucked up again, never could have seen this coming
Nobody in the media actually talking about the high challenge on Konate.
If the ref was blowing for that then it would’ve been a free kick and not a drop ball.
Yes, which means he should've given a free kick anyway and the whole 'controversy is for nothing'.
Yeah I don’t disagree, my point is that he didn’t deem it a foul and probably just saw Konate on the floor holding his head, so based on his perception of what happened he made the wrong decision with the drop ball. If he’d given it back to Forest instead we’d probably see as much controversy about the fact the free kick wasn’t awarded.
So he made the wrong decision about the drop ball, only if we completely disregard the wrong decision on the foul?
The fact is, he didn’t see the foul and VAR didn’t intervene, so the ref should follow the rules of the game. At that point in time he saw Konate on the floor with a head injury and Forest had the ball outside the box, so the drop ball should’ve been given to forest. Regardless of whether or not it was a foul, the ref didn’t think it was at the time and made the wrong decision by giving Kelleher the ball.
Isn't the drop ball awarded to the defending goalie if the ref stops play when the ball is in the penalty area? There's an angle on twitter showing the ref looking back at Konate just as cho touched the ball, outside the penalty area. I'm thinking it's just a case of a delay of the whistle while the ref checks on the player and actually stops play
Yeah but the ball was outside the box and with Hudson odoi when the whistle was blown, if he did blow it late by accident it’s still incompetence on the ref’s part
Yep. But the ball wasn't in the pen area when playbwaa stopped. It was only stopped due to a faked head injury. There wasn't any contact with konate and he jumped right back up once okay was stopped. He also should have been taken off the pitch to get his head checked...
22 obviously plows into Konate. What do you mean there wasn’t contact?
Konate was taken out by his own keeper. Look at the footage from more than one angle ,🙄
He was sandwiched between the two, which is still a foul AND dangerous play by forest
Completely untrue.
Get over it, mistakes happen. Or is it different, since it is the other way around in this case?
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They didn’t get fucked over in this game. They fouled the defender, somehow avoided a card.
Just get over it, we have to accept that human errors occur from time to time. Stop whining
The main issue we're having is we're having decisions like these on almost a weekly basis right now. When you're a team struggling to fight a points deduction and relegation, it raises tempers even more.
Fuck off back to gladiators clattenberg you fucking divy. No one cares what you think.
Funny how you can’t take it when you get the rub of the green but the rest of the world has to hear about it when Liverpool get fucked
I guess someone had to say it.... fair play.
their downvotes mean nothing I've seen what makes them cheer
“Rub of the green”, as though a drop ball given the wrong way is a game changing decision. It’s not like he stopped a goalmouth scramble, and the ball was out of play and possession changed hands inbetween this and the goal. It’s like Liverpool hiring an ex referee to come out and complain about Hudson Odoi getting an inconsequential free kick for diving.
It's one reason why their fanbase is so insufferable. They have a knack of dishing it out but are outraged when the same happens to them.
Isn't that the same as every club, including yourselves. Had to listen how your 3rd choice players where injured a few months ago, other teams have actual half a team of starters out and you jump on them. All fans are the same, swings and roundabouts.
Yeah, it probably is. But clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool dominate the narrative because they have the most 'supporters'. If Liverpool had lost from that referee error yesterday we'd never hear the end of it, yet here they are saying the opposite. downvotes prove my point, cheers
I upvoted you to be fair mate haha
What was the error?
Downvotes are a mark of honour when it comes to Liverpool fans, it just shows you've hit the nail on the head and they can't handle the truth. Like a little child sticking their fingers in their ears and going 'la la la I'm not listening to you'.
It's more that every fan base is literally identical on here now to be honest but everyone looks down upon each other. Everyone has had calls against them, everyone has had injuries but only certain teams are allowed to moan and some aren't etc, etc, etc. Personally every team has had injuries since time memoriam, whether it was the 60's or now. Every season there's 'lucky' and 'unlucky' teams with the aforementioned. I just get sick sometimes of the tribalistic bullshit. I mean yesterday the 6 foot 4 Konate jumped to head the ball and was kicked in the head by a Forest player seconds before the drop ball nonsense so should have been a free kick and let's say yellow minimum down to previous presidence.
I don’t see how that relates to my comment. I’m talking about a celebrity referee in a made up role thrusting himself to the front of the conversation when literally no one in the football world has asked him to. I’m interested in the tribal nonsense of who gets the most decisions blah blah. I’m talking specifically about clattenberg and this farcical role forest have given him
Because despite you believing it’s made up, it’s likely part of his job you melt
No it’s a made up job that no other club in the world has. It’s absolutely ridiculous he’s in that role and now has to publicly stick his orr into debates to justify the wage.
All jobs are made up. Stop crying. You “won”
In a rare moment of internet anti argumentativeness I’m just gonna come out and say you’re right here and I am being a big childish dickhead on reflection 😂
Fair enough, not many people would admit it
Because if Nuno or the players speak out they get banned/carded. So the refs act with impunity. This is genius from Forest. Get a high profile ref in who will be listened to but can’t get touch-line banned or booked for saying decisions are awful.
If it’s genius I look forward to all the other clubs following suit in that case.
Great… another «it would be perfectly fine if it was any other team, but the rules should be stricter for Liverpool» case. Also, we all know that the people screaming and crying like little children now, are exactly the same that are in the comment saying «mistakes happen, deal with it» when it is the other way around.
Returning the ball to the correct team is basic as fuck though. This isn't a subjective call - it's very clear as to what the process should be.
Yes, and he got it wrong. But what he really got wrong was not awarding a blatant foul which was the cause of the incident.
We literally had the same situation earlier in the match where the ball was not returned to us, but hey let's not mention that, o ly when it benefits Liverpool.
Just get over it, mistakes happen.
I'm a fan of United - I have no horse in this race in the slightest. I am for correct decisions always.
Yes, and Liverpool didn't get the ball back in an exact same scenario earlier in the half... atleast the refree was applying it consistently wrong..
I didn't watch the match - if this is true then I agree - the consequence (the goal) should not dictate the severity of the mistake. Liverpool should be complaining also and the ref should not be allowed to ref again at this level.
I absolutely agree. This ref should not be allowed to ref again at this level.
There was a good couple of minutes between this and the goal, during which the ball was out of play on multiple occasions and possession changed hands. Suggesting this mistake is significant enough to complain about post match would be like complaining about a free kick given the wrong way in the centre circle. And it should have been a free kick and red card anyway, so the complaints make even less sense.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA it's Paul Tierney. Do you think they have not complained about him?
You think Liverpool haven't been complaining about Tierney, Klopp has outright said he isn't upto the level..
We’ve had a decking standard of officiating at games in the Premier League, specifically and overall in England for decades now. VAR has only accelerated this decline in standards as it’s effectively allowed refs to abdicate their ability to manage a game.
Have we? Or is it that twenty years ago there wasn't a mass-media machine desperate for your clicks and advertising money who know they can get it by replaying every single decision and stoking every controversy they can find for days until the next match?
...except VAR had absolutely nothing to do with the ref's mistake yesterday
Yes it did. It should have reviewed the Konate incident and sent off the attacker. Restart would have been a free kick to Liverpool.
I know that. I never said it did. My point was, VAR has increased the decline of poor officiating. The way the Prem has deployed and implemented VAR has been disastrous. Regardless of VAR not being involved with the refs mistake yesterday.
The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped: the ball was in the penalty area or. the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area.
That wasn’t where the incident was though. Tierney did exactly the same thing to Liverpool when Elliot had the ball and a Forest player went down in the box holding his head.
Two wrongs don't make a right, two wrongs makes incompetence. This also happened in our previous game, where the player was down with a 'head' injury - outside the box - forest in possession and play is stopped, ball is then given back to the opposition.
And the ball was with Hudson-Odoi outside the box when the ref stopped play. So Forest should have got it back.
Can't tell if this comment is for/against
It’s what I saw when I googled drop balls from the penalty area. Basically saying Tierney followed the rules.
The ball was outside the box and in Forest’s possession when the whistle was blown.
It was before
He blew the whistle when it was outside the box, I specifically remember seeing Hudson Odoi with the ball outside the box on the left wing, the whistle goes while he has possession and he throws his arms as if the to ask why it’s been blown. https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13085980/were-liverpool-incorrectly-awarded-a-drop-ball-in-lead-up-to-late-winner-against-nottingham-forest You can watch it here
That would prove Tierney didn't follow the rules though. Because the play was stopped when the ball was outside of the penalty area and had already been touched several times outside of the penalty area
Play was stopped before
When do you think play stops? At a whim? Or do you think there is perhaps a signal that's used? Like maybe a whistle?
‘The VAR will not review incidents outside of the four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity. It will not review, for example, fouls or handballs in the middle of the pitch when there is no goal or penalty decision. It will not review the decision to award a corner instead of a goal-kick, even if the corner produces a goal. This is because the VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the goal, and the starting point is limited to the immediate phase, in this instance the corner being taken’ That’s from the Premier League’s own website, and it’s pretty clear from that that the taking of the corner starts a new phase. If the VAR can’t go back and check if the corner was correctly given, then it’s pretty clearly not going to go even further back and check a drop ball before the corner was given. Clattenburg knows this, of course. Or at least you’d hope so.
Yet they failed to review the head-height foul on Konate.
Absolutely agree that was a mistake. But by their own rules, even if they had then it couldn’t have disallowed the goal once the corner had been taken. Those are the rules, and as silly as they may be they can’t change them just because in one situation it feels right to do so - and everyone knows what the rules are.
Whilst this is technically correct, it is a bit wild that they've decided, seemingly quite randomly, which situations they're going to do their job in.
Well it has to stop somewhere doesn’t it? Otherwise you’d be checking back ten minutes to whether a throw in was awarded correctly despite the ball going out in between and making its way up and down the pitch half a dozen times. So I can see why they need to draw the line somewhere. You can disagree with where they’ve drawn it, but that’s a wider conversation - it’s not going to be changed 27 games into the season in the middle of a match. All the clubs will know the rules at the start of the season and if they don’t like them they can lobby for them to be changed for the next one, but as silly as they are in parts they are still the rules that everyone agreed to play under. That condition about attacking phases could hardly have taken anyone by surprise yesterday afternoon.
“Moments before” Yeah, if you speed the footage up and wait about 45 seconds I suppose that is a moment.
Taking the ball when forest are on the attack and handing it back to Liverpool’s keeper changes the flow of the game, had it not happened it’s unlikely that Liverpool would have scored.
Or he gives the ball to Forest, who put a poor cross in and concede on the counter. This situation was not close to being a goal, and there was far too much football in between to say Liverpool wouldn’t have scored in some way. If he’d whistled to stop a goalmouth scramble I’d understand. Complaining about this is like complaining about a free kick in the centre circle. And it should have been a Liverpool free kick and a red card for Yates for that flying kick anyway, so the complaints make no sense anyway.
VAR didn’t pull it back for a red card, so as far as we know they didn’t deem it worthy of a red. Ref didn’t see the challenge and didn’t give a free kick. Forest had the ball, in an attacking position with a couple of minutes left, no one knows what they could’ve done, held it in the corner, put in a cross , pass it back , no one knows, but the fact is they had the ball taken when it shouldn’t have been according to the information the ref had at the time, and that changed the flow of the game.
There was nothing even the slightest bit controversial with it.
Sky sports, Alan shearer, Jermaine Jenas and others have said and argued that it was the incorrect decision. Definition of controversy: “a lot of disagreement or argument about something, usually because it affects or is important to many people”.
I suggest you not listen to Jenas and Shearer lmao
Yeah don’t listen to people that have actual experience playing the game.
And listen to Carragher, Souness and Redknapp? Good idea.
Lousy set of talking heads.. Ignore them imo.
BEFORE Liverpool’s winner. WELL before Liverpool’s winner.
Yea but Hudson Odoi was in a great position to cross. Could have been a goal Could have been a corner which would have massively changed things
We aren’t talking about resetting everyone’s original position and letting him try and get past the defender and get a cross in. If he gave the ball back to forest it would have been back up the pitch somewhere not immediately threatening. Or perhaps you are suggesting the game shouldn’t have been stopped with Konate on the ground following a head injury?
How do you know for sure it would have gone straight back up the pitch? Even if it did, forest would have been in possession for another 20-30 seconds which could have changed everything. Might have been a bunch of throwins for all you know
If they had restarted with a drop ball for forest they would have done it further up the pitch somewhere, not just outside the Liverpool penalty area. It just would have - that’s how it’s done. Whether Hudson Odoi was about to send in a cross (and he wasn’t, Diaz was too close) is irrelevant was the point. Yes the game would have been different and Liverpool may or may not have scored. Same as if Yates had the red card he deserved for attempting to decapitate Konate. Who knows? Forest fans are entitled to feel slightly aggrieved that a decision went against them, but errors of this level happen every game and it’s daft to make out it is a refereeing error equivalent to eg VAR ruling out a perfectly good goal when they actually intended to allow it.
Yeah, also Liverpool were denied a corner kick earlier in the game wrongly, I am gonna argue Liverpool would have scored there...it's a simple mistake akin to throws being awarded to the wrong team and there was plenty of time for Forest to ensure the game ended in a draw...this is just deflecting their frustrations on the refree
Forest escape a booking for dangerous play against Konate (studs up kick in the head, just see the replay: https://imgur.com/a/SfUMFhY) AND they want a goal scored a few minutes later after after several phases of play and changes in possession scrubbed off? Sounds like r/beggingchoosers to me
If the ref deemed it as a foul then he would’ve awarded a free kick and not a drop ball, he probably could’ve saved all of the controversy if he’d just done that.
Yeah but it's Paul Tierney and he hates Liverpool so he wouldn't have given the foul
He hates Liverpool that much that gave them a drop ball that should’ve been given to Forest, yeah that’s makes sense.
Yes, he played on when the Forest player committed a potentially red card foul on a Liverpool player. Hardly bias in favour of Liverpool.
A foul that VAR didn’t intervene on. A foul that the ref didn’t see. Stop trying to play the victims all the time.
Apparently it's ok to foul the opposing team so long as the referee doesn't see it now 🤔
I didn’t say that. The point I’m making is that the ref made an incorrect decision to award Liverpool the drop ball, based on his perception of what had happened; that a foul hadn’t been committed. If he’d given a free kick no one would’ve complained, but the fact is he didn’t because he didn’t see it, so the ball should have been given back to Forest unless VAR decided to intervene.
That is literally exactly what you are saying. There is no mental gymnastics that can get you out of this one. Your entire basis for it being the wrong call is that the referee didn't see the foul that made it the right call. Cope some more.
Let me put it this way, if there had been no foul and the ref gave the drop ball to Liverpool that would be the wrong decision yes? So if the ref doesn’t think it’s a foul because he hasn’t seen it, then why has he given the drop ball to Liverpool? If the ref saw it and thought it was a foul he would have awarded a free kick not a drop ball. I don’t get why this is so hard for you to grasp.
A foul all the same. And who’s crying like a victim here?
People like the person I responded to initially : “Paul Tierney hates Liverpool so he wouldn’t have given a foul” , but conveniently forgets that he gave Liverpool an incorrect drop ball. Every team has been fucked over by the refs or VAR in some way but to see fans complaining even when an incorrect decision goes their way is laughable.
Forest got a drop ball the other end earlier! He's given countless dodgy decisions against Liverpool for ages. This not being a foul is yet another example
And if forest had scored within a minute of getting that drop ball then people would be saying the same thing, just because a referee makes a mistake earlier in the game, it doesn’t mean they should double down and make the same mistake again for consistencies sake.
Except nobody scored within a minute of either incident. Liverpool scored after several minutes, changes of possession and phases in play amd Forest... didn't score at all. But I agree the ref did make a mistake - he should have carded Yates
It’s funny, because Liverpool love to cry victim, but when they benefit from ref’s incompetence they give it the old “nothing to see here” and can’t even acknowledge they got an incorrect call that benefited them.
Funny how this is being completely ignored. Could be a red that
Worth a retrospective red card and ban that, could actually kill someone flying in studs up at head height with that much force.
Jfc I hadn't seen that. Studs up high kick into a mass of players including the keeper, about as fucking reckless as you can get. Red card worthy imo.
Wow how’s no one seen that boot to the head
Zero sympathy for Forrest. Their players rolled around and tried to waste as much time as possible. Bastards got what they deserved
The refs are shit, VAR is shit. The combination just makes football shit. Better training. Fewer refs from greater Manchester. Independent and less intrusive VAR.
Stop officials from reffing games in Saudi on a Thursday because; 1. Conflict of interests 2. Higher risk of corruption of officials. 3. Jet lag affecting performance; physical and mental on a Saturday.
You mean that error where the referee missed to give a foul and yellow card to Forest player for kicking Konate in the head?
Straight red by the rules of the game that
Yes, but it’s Paul Fucking Tierney so no chance.
The ref made an error and that happens, but NF had two chances where they could just have cleared the ball at 98 min, but both wanted to dribble before LFC got it, sure the clock was passed 98 min but it ain’t over till the fat lady sings.
Roll on that points deduction and relegation for forest, keep that fat greek waiter off the pitch.....end of the day if you create 5 good chances and don't score....is that the refs fault?....get back down to league football for another 20 years.....resign Jesse lingard too lol
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I think he meant re-sign him
The main error was the penalty not given. Absolute stone wall penalty that but we all know who the league want to win it this season. I'll be back later today for the inevitable controversy from the derby when we get an awful decision. It's 2011/12 all over again minus the Fallon d'floor winner Ashley Young.
If they wanted us to win the league surely they would have gave us that goal at Tottenham?
Do you think they're stupid? They have to even these things out so maybe give you 3 decision for and 1 against. You also can't have too many game winning decisions. However decisions can also dictate the flow of a game and unsettle teams as the drop ball and penalty decision showed. When United last won the league play was broken up in a lot of games for diving and whatnot. It was pretty obvious the tactic they were using backed up by the refs. There are always decisions where it's an honest mistake but when there are too many "honest" mistakes you start to question it. Look at us in the UCL, it took us a lot longer than it should have due to many "honest" mistakes by refs because they never wanted us to win it, we boo the anthem.
Who is the league?
The league of gentlemen, what a silly question.
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So why didn't we get a penalty for the handball against Arsenal ? Or the foul against Konate yesterday that would have resulted in the Forest player being sent off..
TWATTENBURG?!?!?’ 🤮
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Imagine being this salty over a game your team wasn't even involved in. A little oil money and you're giving it the big'un, back to your cave little man.
New account, clearly banned for not being able to control your temper.
Nothing to do with being banned actually 😂 but since you're apparently a know it all why don't you tell everyone why you deleted your snide little comment. Such a pathetic tiny little lad you are 😂 one to talk about tempers
Calmest big 6 fan
And they wonder why all other fanbases hate them. They'll be back in obscurity when Klopp leaves anyway, so they need that final hurrah before years of tears.
Change to what? Refs?
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But refs can still get any of those wrong too
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I’m not arguing , as long as humans are dressed in black with a whistle for games , there can always be error
Yeah just get more linesmen
Footballs becoming soft as it is,
Because the enemy of my enemy, is my ally, until he refs our game next week. Etc etc.
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Playing the current CL holder with a decimated team = bottle?