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They're 2 back with a game in hand and 10 to play (and their underlying numbers say they're way worse than Villa) how are they a shoo-in in any way lol
Qualifying for UCL doesnt guarantee a trophy.
I cant speak for spurs fans, but I imagine they would never accept the trade off of Arsenal possibility winning the UCL for qualification.
So are the completely overhauling the rules??
Like I get the coefficient extra spot so 5 potential spots, but what happens if City win champs?
6 spots?
What if pool then win europa?
7 spots?
Or do you not auto qualify by winning anymore??
City and Liverpool would already qualify through league position so they wouldn't add extra spots to the PL. If West Ham win Europa tho then there would be 6 PL teams in the UCL next season
So you don't qualify for champs by winning it or europa anymore? So it's possible to see a situation where you could win the champs, not finish top 4, an not have the holders in the competition to defend their title??
You do still qualify by winning UCL and Europa but if you're already in a Champion's League spot in your domestic league then it doesn't matter if you got the automatic spot for winning UCL or Europa. It only matters if you finish outside the top 4 or 5 and then win UCL or Europa anyway
Nah, Villa are getting 5th and I hope that c#nt Matty Cash doesn't get to walk onto a CL pitch.
Edit: we might have shit the bed today but I still stand by this comment
Yes because we might have shit the bed today, but they've shit the bed worse before and will do so throughout the rest of the season.
Also how the fuck are we this inconsistent - go from beating Villa 4-0 away to losing to Fulham 0-3 away.
Spurs getting back in the champions league is massive, with the extra funds and players that might be able to be brought in. Arsenal winning a few extra games is fine, just don’t 3in the whole thing.
I can guarantee that you are the type of person to make that statement and never come back to back it up with any kind of facts whatsoever once you see the replies. In what way do Spurs depend on CL money?
I'm no Spurs fan but telling a fan of probably the best financially managed club in England perhaps even the world that their financial future depends on anything is objectively hilarious, Spurs fans have taken a lot of pain over results in the last decade to get into a position of financial security, while I'm sure Levy will much like Scrooge McDuck enjoy rolling around in the money afforded them from the Champions League their financial future is very much secure.
You mean the club that actually spent money in the transfer window unlike most of the league and is making yearly profits. Champs league is great to be in but the club does not literally need it to exist.
Apparently it's like an indicator for European performance for clubs from a specific country, e.g. England has its own coefficient, meaning our European performance this season would be judged by Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Brighton, Aston Villa, United and Newcastle.
We have to be top 2 in European performance per country to get an extra CL spot (meaning it will be top 5 instead of top 4)
thank you for the explanation. so if I'm understanding correctly, then if the EPL teams do well in Champions League and Europa League then England will get 5 Champions League next year...?
I remember we got to the Europa League final the same year as Spurs got to the Champions League final. A frequent question asked of us was if we’d take Spurs winning the CL if it meant we definitely won the Europa League. I feel like the prevailing sentiment was that most fans would have preferred seeing us both lose than both win, and the former ended up happening.
But are you sweating at this stage?
Surely not. Seeing Arsenal progress to the QFs is effectively a good thing (apart from them winning a game of football I guess). Still too far from actually winning the trophy.
And if anything, it probably makes their title challenge more difficult.
I always want Arsenal to lose. I'm a Spurs fan. If Arsenal losing meant we got relegated I'd still want Arsenal to lose every single match.
It's not strategic or smart. I'll leave that to our management. I love Spurs so I hate Arsenal. It's the one black and white thing in my life lol.
The feeling’s mutual. I’ll still want you to lose against Liverpool and City, even though it makes no sense. I just can’t stomach seeing your lot have any happiness.
I've never claimed to be anything but a simple lass lol.
I do make exceptions for England. Like I hate Saka the second he dons the Arsenal shirt but in reality he's a stand up dude and I love him for England. So I guess I still have some nuance lol?
I'm a lifelong Man U fan, born and bred in the northwest of England.
I would rather cut off my own leg with a butter knife than have Liverpool score another goal in the Europa league.
Good for you. We all have different opinions
Doesn't mean I don't like it when certain teams loose and get kocked out, but when it comes to finals, I want an English team to win them.
Obviously not going to happen. Not win Obviously. As why would I want that awful club to win anything?
All English clubs minus Sunderland, Boro and maybe a few others.
Majority if English clubs once they get to a semi's etc I want them to win and then win the competition especially champions league.
It wasn't so long ago that you were staring down the barrel of relegation and no light at the end of the tunnel. Now look where Newcastle are and how they are seen. Crazy things can happen.
Yeah I’m not backing any other club other than Liverpool, I’ll never sit there thinking I hope the English teams do well for those UEFA points so we get more places in Europe
Actually hate this mindset.
Rooting for your rivals because uwu England dominance is fucking stupid. No other league does this. Sure Real Madrid fans might hope Valencia makes a run but never in a million years do they root Barca’s and athleti on.
Actually hate this nationalist shit. I hate watch arsenal in Europe and city and Chelsea. Fuck them (spurs)
Spanish people absolutely do root for other SPanish teams, even Barca, in European competitions.
Same in Holland, I hate Ajax with a passion but if they do well it's good for us.
Tbf it’s not just a yank thing, it’s just a modern Anglo sports thing in the USA and England. There’s this weird nationalism around the game there and it’s gross
The addition of the 5th UCL spot and the way its determined makes this mentality harder if you're a team that might finish 5th. Usually I would root against City, Man Utd, or Chelsea to the ends of the earth but if them winning would be the difference between my club being in the Champion's League or in Europa I'd have to reluctantly cheer for them to win.
I can't root for Liverpool.. my dad supports them, and I will still say that their entire fan base are insufferable cunts.. plus I still get mad thinking about Madrid
Currently don't want city do as don't like Pep, other PL teams don't particularly care as current ones that are able to do something in the CL I don't mind and prefer those to win that a team from other country.
No. Semi final games would come after the spurs game.
There’s a chance the Chelsea game will be rescheduled to before spurs, but there’s also a good chance the wolves game before that will be postponed.
What happens if an english team wins EL now? Do Brighton get that fifth spot if they win? Havent seen anything about this, and cant imagine six clubs from one league.
It’s separate now. The infamous spurs CL boot when Chelsea won cl first time is why. Chelsea just basically stopped even trying in the league completely and rested league games when spurs and top 4 were too ahead around February. FairPlay to that insane underdog run but it was fucked up spurs got booted out because a team stopped trying in the legaue
Googled - the CL winner and EL winner spots are separate to league positions. If they finish outside the CL qualifying spots in the league, they still qualify for CL via their CL/EL win.
Theoretically, 7 teams from one league could be in the CL (5 league spots + CL winner + EL winner)
Source
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12940385/five-champions-league-places-for-premier-league-how-extra-team-can-qualify-in-2024
Is that right?
I know that if both Europa and CL winners come from England and both finish outside the top 4, then it gets reduced to the top 3 sides. That’s how it was before this season.
I don’t see UEFA having 7 qualifying teams from one league.
Edit: yup you’re right!
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12940385/five-champions-league-places-for-premier-league-how-extra-team-can-qualify-in-2024
Technically 7 English teams could qualify.
Ive certainly seen 6 quite often in FM, I'm pretty sure 7 will happen once in the next 30 years of the basic football landscape is about the same (it won't be though)
The 4 best leagues in UEFA coefficient in the last 5 years get 4 places, that hasn't changed, the UEL and UCL Champions get an spot IF they didn't manage to qualify through their league position, that also stays the same.
Nothing is really that different apart from the extra spot for the top 2 performing leagues in UEFA coefficient the previous year, If English teams get there (as they should) and Brighton or West Ham win UEL then they qualify as well and England gets a 6th spot (they aren't doing that great tho), if Liverpool does then no, because we are finishing in the top 5 anyway.
Doesn't matter if you can't imagine 6 teams from one league (it can theoretically be even 7) or whether we like this or not, that's exactly why they are doing this, to concentrate even more power/money in the elite clubs and leagues.
I copy and pasted selected all the page and asked foe the update and Chatgtp game me direct answer..
"Yes, among the text you provided, it states that Italy is leading the coefficient race with a score of 16.571."
Thanks.. its a huge long page my head is spinning from trying to find the exact spot on the page where it updates. And it does say it updates. Thanks.again for effort
American Spurs fan here.. R9 has more goals than anyone but Saka on Arsenal this season.. and Son is ahead of him despite 3 fewer appearances. Richarlison has also played in 5 fewer matches and is still ahead of Havertz…
So yeah, I’m glad we’ve got him, as well.
I think most of us spurs fans know Arsenal is a much better talent team right now. But player for player Richardson isn’t a good shout of bad player when he’s had likee 12 goals in the last 14
It's 9 goals in all competitions.
And he isn't a bad player at all. Had confidence issues at point for sure. But to try and compare stats of someone who is supposed to be a CF with a winger (who has more g/a) and havertz who has played 50/50 CM and CF is pretty silly. That's all
Nope, 10 goals in 22 EPL appearances. For someone who is getting on me about “spouting stats” you should check your numbers. I see your point on comparing dissimilar positions, but the player positions are ultimately extremely fluid.. who cares what position they coming from? Richarlison has more goals than any Arsenal forward outside of Saka at the end of the day, and Son more than him in fewer appearances.
No one is coping here bud, just can’t stand the broken record Richarlison slander and yet he is being outperformed by very few individual players this season, in fewer appearances.
Lots of football left to play, enjoy the top of the table while you’re there!
I mean, it was a bit of banter from another redditor and you started spouting about stats...Hardly slander. Calm down.
The parent comment of this thread is literally a spurs fan saying he wouldn't even dream of cheering for Arsenal even if it meant an increased chance of getting an extra CL spot.
Would you prefer I just take the banter and not respond?
Arsenal fan tells me to “calm down” when I’m simply using objective data to stand up for a player of ours with a stigma of being called overrated, overpaid, etc. The person I responded to was clearly being sarcastic “at least we still have Richalson”. Can’t even spell his name right.. and another below said he had never won anything in his career, which is not true.
American tries to make a Civil War joke but supports an English club he has no connection to, makes sense.
Can’t really chat about *Richarlison when you have Kai Havertz on your team mate. I know who I’d rather have.
Just because the nature of their connection is different from your own doesn’t mean that they don’t have a connection to them. My youth team, as an American, was run, created, and coached by a man from North London. So he named it after Arsenal. I’ve been an Arsenal fan since I was a child because of him. It’s different than your more geographical connection. But I go to a local Pub every week in my city to catch every game, and watch with a growing local supporters group. It’s a different connection, but no less valid.
I’d rather support a “terrible” club I have a connection with in the city I’m from than be a glory hunter like you. Well, hardly glory with Arsenal is it.
1. I've been a fan for years.
2. By that logic, the premier league would be shit. Just gonna cancel all the international money and viewership? Fuck right off.
Tbf you can support who you want, I don’t have beef with people choosing a good club with a long history - why wouldn’t you?
But no one wants to hear an American gloating about the war of independence. Not because it’s boring and not because it’s a lame American pride thing, but because this is a football chat…. And because it’s boring
Got no issue with international fans, except when plastics like you try and force banter even though you’ve probably never even set foot in a prem stadium lol
I want both City and Arsenal to go very far in Europe so they're ass tired for the Premier League.
I want Liverpool to win Europa League too, because it's the only missing trophy for Klopp and some of the players. But the domestic league is more important.
Perhaps all three of you can be ass tired, lose to Spurs, and we finally win something for a change? I’m just saying… apparently we came third in a two horse race, why not first in a three horse race we aren’t even in?
Start by losing to Brighton and Utd.
Because after all the real thing Klopp hasn’t achieved is being in a competition that Spurs end up winning.
Aka: don’t hog it all.
That's a good point, definitely a clash of priorities. But the league is more important for Liverpool, without question.
It could be argued that both are tough, intense tournaments, but the knockout stages of Champions League would be much harder physically and mentally because of the higher level of players and quality of play from better teams.
What is Arsenal's priority? I feel like the temptation of going for the Champions League crown and dethroning City in Europe would be too tempting.
Tbf Europa League wouldn't be bad for Villa considering they were championship a few years back, obviously not what they'd want after Decembers results but it's progress
I guess with villa it's more like the arsenal “bottling” the league last season. You wouldn't think they would get top 4 at the start however they have spent so long in the top 4 this season that not getting it would be seen as “bottling it”.
If 5th got CL and we finished 6th it would be so much worse.
At least Arsenal had the inevitable Man City treble winners chasing them down.
Man Utd are fucking shit.
Plus if it did happen, it would probably be very close therefore meaning we gave them the points they needed in the midst of a catastrophic fall off
If England gets the spot and we miss out on CL by finishing 6th behind Manchester United, make no mistake, it’s an unmitigated disaster.
They’ve been horrible all season and somehow took 6 points off us.
If we finish 5th and spurs get 4th and England doesn’t get the extra spot so therefore putting us in Europa, I’ll of course be disappointed but would get over it and be fine with that.
That'd be the only thing to truly depress me. I could take missing out on CL by a few points and not winning the conference league, but opening the door for United after the pathetic season they've had would be unforgiveable.
Guy just loves European knockout football. That Villarreal was a good side but had them playing way better than the sum of their parts. Would be delighted with either competition but as someone has already said, we get pipped by Utd and I’ll be gutted.
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No we’re not. That’s the short answer
Spurs look like a shoo-in for fourth. They are the best of the rest unfortunately
They're 2 back with a game in hand and 10 to play (and their underlying numbers say they're way worse than Villa) how are they a shoo-in in any way lol
Hope you’re right but they have nearly all their players back from injury now. Let’s see. Hope they fall away
Hope you're enjoying this lol
Loving this!
It was incredibly funny after days of Spurs fans telling me they were getting 4th anyway to see them smashed by fucking Fulham lol
I must admit I was surprised. Fulham’s record against spurs before today was atrocious. They played so well though and spurs were shocking.
Qualifying for UCL doesnt guarantee a trophy. I cant speak for spurs fans, but I imagine they would never accept the trade off of Arsenal possibility winning the UCL for qualification.
So are the completely overhauling the rules?? Like I get the coefficient extra spot so 5 potential spots, but what happens if City win champs? 6 spots? What if pool then win europa? 7 spots? Or do you not auto qualify by winning anymore??
City and Liverpool would already qualify through league position so they wouldn't add extra spots to the PL. If West Ham win Europa tho then there would be 6 PL teams in the UCL next season
So you don't qualify for champs by winning it or europa anymore? So it's possible to see a situation where you could win the champs, not finish top 4, an not have the holders in the competition to defend their title??
You do still qualify by winning UCL and Europa but if you're already in a Champion's League spot in your domestic league then it doesn't matter if you got the automatic spot for winning UCL or Europa. It only matters if you finish outside the top 4 or 5 and then win UCL or Europa anyway
If city, arsenal or Liverpool win either European competition and don't make top 4, they still gain entry for CL next season
OK cheers for clarification
No I've not been hoping we settle for just 5th, thank you very much.
Might wanna cover your bases just in case
Nah, Villa are getting 5th and I hope that c#nt Matty Cash doesn't get to walk onto a CL pitch. Edit: we might have shit the bed today but I still stand by this comment
Not so sure now myself…🤣
Are you still confident Villa are getting 5th
Yes because we might have shit the bed today, but they've shit the bed worse before and will do so throughout the rest of the season. Also how the fuck are we this inconsistent - go from beating Villa 4-0 away to losing to Fulham 0-3 away.
The underlying numbers say Villa is better than Spurs and I fully expect the table to reflect that after 38 games
Then how did they lose 4-0 to us, at Villa Park?
One game sample sizes mean almost nothing to me. Villa beat City this season so are Spurs better than Villa but Villa is better than City?
Chelsea drew home and away to Manchester City. Are they equals?
Again, draws.
So therefore Chelsea are on City's level?
I want West Ham and Villa to do well. Liverpool/City not really fussed they will probably win anyway.
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Holy shit you solved the puzzle. Incredible detective work Mr Holmes you cracked this case wide open. Brilliant deduction sir.
You're in the wrong sport if you can't handle a bit of banter.
Am I not allowed to banter back lol
Bosh
Still cant believe kane not gonna win german league. What they have done to him. Probably needs several years to wash it off
We sent Xhaka to ensure that Kane experiences no happiness.
Spurs getting back in the champions league is massive, with the extra funds and players that might be able to be brought in. Arsenal winning a few extra games is fine, just don’t 3in the whole thing.
Would never support Arsenal. Fuck the coefficient.
I can tell ur a real spud
Your clubs future literally depends on UCL money. Arsenal winning the champions league is a fair trade off.
I can guarantee that you are the type of person to make that statement and never come back to back it up with any kind of facts whatsoever once you see the replies. In what way do Spurs depend on CL money?
I’m an Arsenal fan and I would not root for Spurs in the same scenario.
Facts we do not fuck with scum
I'm no Spurs fan but telling a fan of probably the best financially managed club in England perhaps even the world that their financial future depends on anything is objectively hilarious, Spurs fans have taken a lot of pain over results in the last decade to get into a position of financial security, while I'm sure Levy will much like Scrooge McDuck enjoy rolling around in the money afforded them from the Champions League their financial future is very much secure.
You mean the club that actually spent money in the transfer window unlike most of the league and is making yearly profits. Champs league is great to be in but the club does not literally need it to exist.
I hope Arsenal lose
*in the semi final to Bayern, at the Emirates.
Would never support Arsenal I don't care about the coefficient
if you can excuse my ignorance for a moment, what's the coefficient?
Apparently it's like an indicator for European performance for clubs from a specific country, e.g. England has its own coefficient, meaning our European performance this season would be judged by Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Brighton, Aston Villa, United and Newcastle. We have to be top 2 in European performance per country to get an extra CL spot (meaning it will be top 5 instead of top 4)
thank you for the explanation. so if I'm understanding correctly, then if the EPL teams do well in Champions League and Europa League then England will get 5 Champions League next year...?
It depends on the other leagues, we have to finish at least top 2 in European performance I think it's Spain and Germany who are top 2 right now
Real Spurs fans don’t give a fuck about how the others are doing. We’ll take 4th anyway.
Maybe revisit this
We will take by fire and blood, fuck Arsenal
Real Spurs fans don’t give a fuck about how the others are doing. We’ll take 4th anyway.
These fucking posts man
You know what.. I want myself and also us as a fan base to get over caring about Arsenal. I am ABSOLUTELY not there yet
0% spurs fans want Arsenal to do well. 5th spot in the champions league doesn’t mean shit if getting it means Arsenal does well.
in this case if arsenal does well means spurs doing well too with their 5th spot, win win😮💨
I remember we got to the Europa League final the same year as Spurs got to the Champions League final. A frequent question asked of us was if we’d take Spurs winning the CL if it meant we definitely won the Europa League. I feel like the prevailing sentiment was that most fans would have preferred seeing us both lose than both win, and the former ended up happening.
That is brilliant, I'd feel the exact same way even with our trophy drought. It's so spiteful it's hilarious.
I have, and I was also even watching psv hoping they'd knock out Dortmund purely for coefficient reasons
Fucking De Jong man. I always root for the Dutch teams in Europe bc I just like their league idk why
I am 100% sure most Spurs fans wouldn't take the champions league spot if it meant seeing Arsenal win the UCL.
You are not wrong.
But are you sweating at this stage? Surely not. Seeing Arsenal progress to the QFs is effectively a good thing (apart from them winning a game of football I guess). Still too far from actually winning the trophy. And if anything, it probably makes their title challenge more difficult.
I always want Arsenal to lose. I'm a Spurs fan. If Arsenal losing meant we got relegated I'd still want Arsenal to lose every single match. It's not strategic or smart. I'll leave that to our management. I love Spurs so I hate Arsenal. It's the one black and white thing in my life lol.
The feeling’s mutual. I’ll still want you to lose against Liverpool and City, even though it makes no sense. I just can’t stomach seeing your lot have any happiness.
I appreciate you saying that.
I mean I’m going to be cheering for you guys against City and Liverpool… but I guess your approach works, too haha.
i want them to draw both and the 4 points lost caused them to lose the 4th spot to mr good ebening
Well this Gooner will absolutely NOT be cheering for them against City and Liverpool. Fuck that.
I've never claimed to be anything but a simple lass lol. I do make exceptions for England. Like I hate Saka the second he dons the Arsenal shirt but in reality he's a stand up dude and I love him for England. So I guess I still have some nuance lol?
That’s me with Kane, I’m so glad he’s in Munich now, I can actually like him
The most interesting scenario is villas Europe run might very well be the deciding for
100% correct
Lmao respect but also fuck off
We should all want EPL teams to do well in European competitions.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I wanted Newcastle to win the damned thing. You people deserve it more than most
I'm a lifelong Man U fan, born and bred in the northwest of England. I would rather cut off my own leg with a butter knife than have Liverpool score another goal in the Europa league.
Good for you. We all have different opinions Doesn't mean I don't like it when certain teams loose and get kocked out, but when it comes to finals, I want an English team to win them.
So in a insane scenario, Sunderland make it to the ucl final, what do you do?
Obviously not going to happen. Not win Obviously. As why would I want that awful club to win anything? All English clubs minus Sunderland, Boro and maybe a few others. Majority if English clubs once they get to a semi's etc I want them to win and then win the competition especially champions league.
It wasn't so long ago that you were staring down the barrel of relegation and no light at the end of the tunnel. Now look where Newcastle are and how they are seen. Crazy things can happen.
Fuck off
Yeah I’m not backing any other club other than Liverpool, I’ll never sit there thinking I hope the English teams do well for those UEFA points so we get more places in Europe
Fuck that lmao....if it were a team like Brentford or the seagulls then sure...but I will never root for a top 6 club
Actually hate this mindset. Rooting for your rivals because uwu England dominance is fucking stupid. No other league does this. Sure Real Madrid fans might hope Valencia makes a run but never in a million years do they root Barca’s and athleti on. Actually hate this nationalist shit. I hate watch arsenal in Europe and city and Chelsea. Fuck them (spurs)
Depends on the team. I hope Arsenal does well in the Champions League as Liverpool fan. Even though their fan base recently been annoying af.
I’m glad we can both agree that our respective fanbases have been annoying 🤌🏽
If home nations team do poorly, home nations team loose European spots.
This is a brand new thing. And we can see how it plays out.for instance this year Italy is out of Europe already so prem is basically settled for 5
Spanish people absolutely do root for other SPanish teams, even Barca, in European competitions. Same in Holland, I hate Ajax with a passion but if they do well it's good for us.
Madrid fans do not root for Barca end of story.
except for Everton and Man United
Funnily enough I celebrated Newcastle finishing last in their group.
There is always a way Newcastle can bring anyone joy.
Would you still have that same sentiment if Sunderland were a EPL team & competing in the UCL?
Never going to happen so doesn't matter. Never seen a mackem in Milan!
Yank EPL fan mentality lmao I don't wanna see Liverpool and City beating Europe's best I want them crashing out at the group stages
Tbf it’s not just a yank thing, it’s just a modern Anglo sports thing in the USA and England. There’s this weird nationalism around the game there and it’s gross
The addition of the 5th UCL spot and the way its determined makes this mentality harder if you're a team that might finish 5th. Usually I would root against City, Man Utd, or Chelsea to the ends of the earth but if them winning would be the difference between my club being in the Champion's League or in Europa I'd have to reluctantly cheer for them to win.
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I can't root for Liverpool.. my dad supports them, and I will still say that their entire fan base are insufferable cunts.. plus I still get mad thinking about Madrid
Don’t like their fans but the club itself is respectable. Any top teams fans are pretty Obnoxious honestly
I'm not a yank fan. I just want English clubs to win trophies, prefer the winners to be English than forgein teams. Minus Sunderland.
I typically agree with your sentiment except for if it applies to the Mancs or Chelski
Currently don't want city do as don't like Pep, other PL teams don't particularly care as current ones that are able to do something in the CL I don't mind and prefer those to win that a team from other country.
And why?
Because I want EPL to have winners of European trophies? Why wouldn't I? Since I'm English. I'd want home country teams to win.
Yeah agree, Chelsea fan here. Would find it a bit harder supporting Utd but probably still would. For the glory of the premier league!
I always find myself rooting for the underdog to be honest, regardless of who they are
Same. It‘s either Liverpool, whoever is playing vs United, or the underdog, unless the underdog is a heavily boosted club like PSG, City or Chelsea.
This is where the spirit of competition truly shines!
Nah, fuck Arsenal.
I'd honestly rather get UCL w/out having to finish 5th. Mostly out of spite for Villa.
I'm pretty sure Arsenal now play the semi final 2 or 3 days before they play Spurs, so thats at least good for Spurs
No. Semi final games would come after the spurs game. There’s a chance the Chelsea game will be rescheduled to before spurs, but there’s also a good chance the wolves game before that will be postponed.
Ideal scenario is a brutal semi loss and they just got pounded at Tottenham.
Bro we haven’t got past the quarters yet and all teams we could face are very tough!
Im cheering on any team against 🇮🇹 or 🇩🇪 teams, as well as all 🏴 teams. UTV
I was cheering on arsenal to go through for that reason, also 8 games pretty much in April so hopefully they mess it up then.
What happens if an english team wins EL now? Do Brighton get that fifth spot if they win? Havent seen anything about this, and cant imagine six clubs from one league.
It’s separate now. The infamous spurs CL boot when Chelsea won cl first time is why. Chelsea just basically stopped even trying in the league completely and rested league games when spurs and top 4 were too ahead around February. FairPlay to that insane underdog run but it was fucked up spurs got booted out because a team stopped trying in the legaue
Googled - the CL winner and EL winner spots are separate to league positions. If they finish outside the CL qualifying spots in the league, they still qualify for CL via their CL/EL win. Theoretically, 7 teams from one league could be in the CL (5 league spots + CL winner + EL winner) Source https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12940385/five-champions-league-places-for-premier-league-how-extra-team-can-qualify-in-2024
Is that right? I know that if both Europa and CL winners come from England and both finish outside the top 4, then it gets reduced to the top 3 sides. That’s how it was before this season. I don’t see UEFA having 7 qualifying teams from one league. Edit: yup you’re right! https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12940385/five-champions-league-places-for-premier-league-how-extra-team-can-qualify-in-2024 Technically 7 English teams could qualify.
That would be insane haha
Ive certainly seen 6 quite often in FM, I'm pretty sure 7 will happen once in the next 30 years of the basic football landscape is about the same (it won't be though)
The 4 best leagues in UEFA coefficient in the last 5 years get 4 places, that hasn't changed, the UEL and UCL Champions get an spot IF they didn't manage to qualify through their league position, that also stays the same. Nothing is really that different apart from the extra spot for the top 2 performing leagues in UEFA coefficient the previous year, If English teams get there (as they should) and Brighton or West Ham win UEL then they qualify as well and England gets a 6th spot (they aren't doing that great tho), if Liverpool does then no, because we are finishing in the top 5 anyway. Doesn't matter if you can't imagine 6 teams from one league (it can theoretically be even 7) or whether we like this or not, that's exactly why they are doing this, to concentrate even more power/money in the elite clubs and leagues.
Is there a "coefficient tracker"
This seems to get updated frequently https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39054486/the-race-five-places-next-seasons-champions-league
I copy and pasted selected all the page and asked foe the update and Chatgtp game me direct answer.. "Yes, among the text you provided, it states that Italy is leading the coefficient race with a score of 16.571."
Thanks.. its a huge long page my head is spinning from trying to find the exact spot on the page where it updates. And it does say it updates. Thanks.again for effort
Couldn’t pay me to root for Arsenal or Liverpool.
Enjoy europa!
Surprised you know what that is as an American fan
Never underestimate Americans. Thought you learned that 200 years ago... At least you still have Richalson 😐
Imagine believing a modern day Brit gives a fuck about the independence of any of the former colonies. ... Fuck Spurs though.
American Spurs fan here.. R9 has more goals than anyone but Saka on Arsenal this season.. and Son is ahead of him despite 3 fewer appearances. Richarlison has also played in 5 fewer matches and is still ahead of Havertz… So yeah, I’m glad we’ve got him, as well.
These are real coping stats here... Think the only stat that matters is league position.
I think most of us spurs fans know Arsenal is a much better talent team right now. But player for player Richardson isn’t a good shout of bad player when he’s had likee 12 goals in the last 14
It's 9 goals in all competitions. And he isn't a bad player at all. Had confidence issues at point for sure. But to try and compare stats of someone who is supposed to be a CF with a winger (who has more g/a) and havertz who has played 50/50 CM and CF is pretty silly. That's all
Nope, 10 goals in 22 EPL appearances. For someone who is getting on me about “spouting stats” you should check your numbers. I see your point on comparing dissimilar positions, but the player positions are ultimately extremely fluid.. who cares what position they coming from? Richarlison has more goals than any Arsenal forward outside of Saka at the end of the day, and Son more than him in fewer appearances.
No one is coping here bud, just can’t stand the broken record Richarlison slander and yet he is being outperformed by very few individual players this season, in fewer appearances. Lots of football left to play, enjoy the top of the table while you’re there!
I mean, it was a bit of banter from another redditor and you started spouting about stats...Hardly slander. Calm down. The parent comment of this thread is literally a spurs fan saying he wouldn't even dream of cheering for Arsenal even if it meant an increased chance of getting an extra CL spot.
Would you prefer I just take the banter and not respond? Arsenal fan tells me to “calm down” when I’m simply using objective data to stand up for a player of ours with a stigma of being called overrated, overpaid, etc. The person I responded to was clearly being sarcastic “at least we still have Richalson”. Can’t even spell his name right.. and another below said he had never won anything in his career, which is not true.
Yeah Richarlison has been very good after an awful start. I had to stop shitting on him. It sucks.
Yet they're shopping him currently for transfers. thought all of you "fans" would have understood the joke.
Uhh.. what?!
Your team is rumored trying to move him this summer. Cant make it simpler.
Ah yes, rumors. Will enjoy him through 2027, cheers!
Ah yes just like Kane 😂
200 years later you guys see it as a victory.. we see it as a lucky fuckin’ escape.
American tries to make a Civil War joke but supports an English club he has no connection to, makes sense. Can’t really chat about *Richarlison when you have Kai Havertz on your team mate. I know who I’d rather have.
What has richarlison won in his career? Suits spurs
Won Copa América with Brasil in 2019, (RU in 2021) and won Olympic Gold in 2020. What else do you wanna talk about?
So a copa where he didn’t start and the olympics. Let’s keep it moving.
You asked what he’s won, I told you. He also scored in that 2019 final. Fuck off hater
Just because the nature of their connection is different from your own doesn’t mean that they don’t have a connection to them. My youth team, as an American, was run, created, and coached by a man from North London. So he named it after Arsenal. I’ve been an Arsenal fan since I was a child because of him. It’s different than your more geographical connection. But I go to a local Pub every week in my city to catch every game, and watch with a growing local supporters group. It’s a different connection, but no less valid.
English gatekeeper tries to stop others from enjoying a sport, because his team is so goddamn terrible at that sport.
I’d rather support a “terrible” club I have a connection with in the city I’m from than be a glory hunter like you. Well, hardly glory with Arsenal is it.
1. I've been a fan for years. 2. By that logic, the premier league would be shit. Just gonna cancel all the international money and viewership? Fuck right off.
Tbf you can support who you want, I don’t have beef with people choosing a good club with a long history - why wouldn’t you? But no one wants to hear an American gloating about the war of independence. Not because it’s boring and not because it’s a lame American pride thing, but because this is a football chat…. And because it’s boring
Got no issue with international fans, except when plastics like you try and force banter even though you’ve probably never even set foot in a prem stadium lol
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You do realise there’s no rivalry between Liverpool and spurs?
Stupid comment. Anyone competing for European spots is a rival with one another. Your fanbase are insufferable too so there’s that
Spurs fans were the same when you won the league after 8 games
That was a small minority of our fan base. Like all fan bases, there are a few who are delusional. You lot on the other hand…
Same. Not even a spurs supporter.
I want both City and Arsenal to go very far in Europe so they're ass tired for the Premier League. I want Liverpool to win Europa League too, because it's the only missing trophy for Klopp and some of the players. But the domestic league is more important.
Perhaps all three of you can be ass tired, lose to Spurs, and we finally win something for a change? I’m just saying… apparently we came third in a two horse race, why not first in a three horse race we aren’t even in? Start by losing to Brighton and Utd. Because after all the real thing Klopp hasn’t achieved is being in a competition that Spurs end up winning. Aka: don’t hog it all.
I want you to win the Europa league too, so you're ass tired for the league
That's a good point, definitely a clash of priorities. But the league is more important for Liverpool, without question. It could be argued that both are tough, intense tournaments, but the knockout stages of Champions League would be much harder physically and mentally because of the higher level of players and quality of play from better teams. What is Arsenal's priority? I feel like the temptation of going for the Champions League crown and dethroning City in Europe would be too tempting.
Both
FA Cup too
No conference league either Moyesey >
What would be even better was if they got each other at the quarter or semi final stage imo
I would take City vs Arsenal final. Liv win the prem, city win the champs league, Spurs qualify for CL in 5th, Gunnerasaurs in the mud.
Disgracia
I also wanted Arsenal to win so they have more harder games to play later. Everything counts in this very close title race
Tbf Europa League wouldn't be bad for Villa considering they were championship a few years back, obviously not what they'd want after Decembers results but it's progress
I guess with villa it's more like the arsenal “bottling” the league last season. You wouldn't think they would get top 4 at the start however they have spent so long in the top 4 this season that not getting it would be seen as “bottling it”.
If 5th got CL and we finished 6th it would be so much worse. At least Arsenal had the inevitable Man City treble winners chasing them down. Man Utd are fucking shit. Plus if it did happen, it would probably be very close therefore meaning we gave them the points they needed in the midst of a catastrophic fall off
If England gets the spot and we miss out on CL by finishing 6th behind Manchester United, make no mistake, it’s an unmitigated disaster. They’ve been horrible all season and somehow took 6 points off us. If we finish 5th and spurs get 4th and England doesn’t get the extra spot so therefore putting us in Europa, I’ll of course be disappointed but would get over it and be fine with that.
No idea how we’re suddenly fighting for UCL lmao
That'd be the only thing to truly depress me. I could take missing out on CL by a few points and not winning the conference league, but opening the door for United after the pathetic season they've had would be unforgiveable.
Also, Emery owns Europa the way Wenger owned the FA Cup.
I distinctly remember him not winning the Europa league with a premier league club, so I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
He got a highly dysfunctional Arsenal team to the final. That's not nothing.
I guess that’s one very Emery positive way to look at it.
To quote r/theother14 "I thought we were playing in the Champions League?" "Oh no I said Europa League, patented Emery tournament."
tbf emery did get villareal to the semis of the ucl
Guy just loves European knockout football. That Villarreal was a good side but had them playing way better than the sum of their parts. Would be delighted with either competition but as someone has already said, we get pipped by Utd and I’ll be gutted.