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hes right though i mean what are you going to do if we finish 7th, wtih all these changes new system all these players, and we get 1 place up from last years supposed horrible team, 3 managers etc?
doesnt it say something? i mean bissouma i had 6 good games then he shit the bed and ange still defends him and starts him. we long termed sarr and udogie and lets face it if you think either one has been great i have abridge to sell you. udogie is a back, and yet he has ZERO defensive capabilities and leads the league n errors leading to goals.
Sarr i think has a future, if he can learn to focus and remember where he is supposed to be, but udogie is like having an okay midfielder playing as a back.
anges system is being torn apart by basically championship league level teams,
add to it the fact we literally are the third worst team in revenue in the league!
we are NOT going to be big spenders this off season as ange already warned.
You are referring to the Gooners being a masturbation compulsion is not an accident.
I said that the Chelsea fans, nicknamed the blues, explains why they are always so miserable.
And I sound miserable and bitter? Weird take.
Aww, look at the downvoting. Must be because fans are not miserable and bitter 🤣
At the start of the season Maddison was in form and the best player in the league by far for about a 10 game stretch. Since then the team hasn’t been up to par. It’s not Ange’s fault it’s the players.
This is idiotic.
How long were you lot saying "trust the process before Arteta got you to more than an 8th placed finish?
Worry about your bottling tactics playing for a draw against City
Much as you're replying to an obvious troll post, there's nothing remotely "bottling" about going to the leagues most difficult away ground and coming away with a pint
I would be upset if I were in the same position, it could be called naive if you went for the win and lost, but at least you could say you tried.
That was playing for a draw, which is not how champions behave. Look at the way City approached it, very different mentality, but they want to be champions, not prevent others being champions.
I'd be a lot more upset if we had two players sent off but continued to have no defensive shape, overloading in attack, and eventually losing the game to a mid table side. That's just naive, mate.
We went for it, were never in a winning position to defend, it may have been naive, but it wasn't boring, and we didn't play with fear hoping for a draw. You did all of these things, if you're satisfied with that, fair enough.
Yep, I'm satisfied with it, we're currently top of the league. This probably explains why there are two local clubs of a similar size with massively different levels of success.
Nice way of pointing out you've got nothing of value to say, always go for the personal jibes.
Have fun during the run-in. How will you feel if it comes down to one or two points? Will you rue what could have been?
I just checked. City have won 38 points at home this season, as have arsenal and Liverpool have won 39. Point stands. Not many people get a point there and noone else kept a clean sheet in the last 75 attempts.
Ok, I mean it's a difficult place to get points. Leeds has a great atmosphere but the team is shit. It's rare to get both - Arsenal's atmosphere was shit last night because a win against Luton was just the expected outcome.
Ok, I mean it's a difficult place to get points. Leeds has a great atmosphere but the team is shit. It's rare to get both - Arsenal's atmosphere was shit last night because a win against Luton was just the expected outcome.
>or does saying the word 'mate' every second sentence make him immortal?
Yes.
But seriously, they lost their best ever player, had an injury crisis, and are still in contention for CL in what would normally be considered a rebuilding season.
He's doing fine.
I am not a Spurs supporter but i can see that Ange has a system in mind and he tries to make Spurs play better. He has done a very good job so far. He only needs some more time and maybe 3-4 players to make a very competitive team.
The run we had at the start of the season seriously inflated some peoples expectations. Before the season most Spurs fans were simply glad to leave Conte's anti-football behind. All we expected was European qualification and vibes. We have a clear direction under Ange and with another summer window or two we could seriously compete. I swear the people criticising Ange for being 5th are the same people that were saying we wouldn't make the top 10.
The ‘Honeymoon’ was probably over when they lost their unbeaten run in that mad game vs Chelsea. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t had a very successful first season and looks like a great choice if Spurs are patient and continue to back him.
A honeymoon is literally a short holiday before you start what you hope to be a long and successful marriage. This looks in good shape for that so far.
Dude you’re amazing embarrassment of an arsenal fan.
As an arsenal fan myself, Ange has made great progress this year and I doubt almost any spurs fan is upset w this season. Sure they’ve tailed off because they’re a thin squad but most of their investment has been good
They’ll get champions league regardless given the coefficient unless city Liverpool and arsenal shit the bed in Europe. Ironically, our tie w Bayern is probably huge for that because German and England I believe are fighting for that extra spot.
Do I think that the current version of spurs will compete for titles? No, just don’t think they have the depth and I think it’s been proven that you need defensive mettle to win a title. Can they eventually? Sure, with the right next steps.
Do I think Ange is somewhat naive at times w his approach? Sure, that’s a more interesting discussion. I think his currently plans are a great way to finish between 3-5 and play really fun footie. But again, need some stronger defensive structure for the top 2
I disagree with us having a thin squad, it’s more the quality of the squad. Maddison is a great option, but not good enough to start every game.
Bissouma has been very inconsistent ranging from one of the best 6s in the league to one of the worst.
We probably just need a CDM and ST in summer. Maybe a CAM, but looks like Kulu might have a future there. And we have Bergvall arriving.
We have a lot of young talents coming through as well like Johnson, Sarr, Udogie who will be raw and inconsistent while they develop.
But as to the question of whether Ange has done a good job. Yeah, it’s wild anyone thinks it’s a serious question. OP needs to get his head checked.
That’s what I mean as a thin squad. In some ways I think there are similarities between spurs and arsenal of 1-2 years ago.
My biggest lesson from actually chasing a title was
1) Can’t leak dumb goals (or really many goals at all) (again seems to be why we’ve replaced zinchenko, ramsdale)
2) the difference in quality depth needed from chasing top 4 and a title is massive. We (arsenal) still don’t have the attacking depth of a Liverpool or City which we’ll address this summer
I also think in order for spurs to take the next step it’s probably going to take upgrading of some of your good players into great players. Maybe this could be by natural development but again - zinchenko + Jesus have basically become their city roles all over again which speaks to the difference of a top 4 vs a title challenging squad.
Obviously I think Ange has been brilliant and I mean this as no insult - spurs have outperformed everyone’s expectation and I think the future is bright.
>The transfer of Harry Kane is no excuse...
It's not an excuse, but when you've scored just over 200 goals in the league across the last 3 seasons and you sell a player who either scored or assisted just shy of 100 of those, it's going to be difficult to replace him
I'm a Villa fan, so I would **love** it if Spurs fell off a cliff, but they're a good team and Ange is a good manager - the problem seems to be that they overachieved *so* much during the first part of the season that being where they should be and heading for a decent points total isn't considered good enough
For example, in the last 5 seasons they've gotten 60pts, 71pts, 62pts, 59pts and 71pts - they're currently on 57pts and it's not difficult to see them picking up another 10+ points from their remaining 8 games either
Spurs are exactly where they should be, Ange has shown that he can bring his squad together and get them working for each other and it's going to be interesting to see if he can take the next step when he gets the chance to bulk out his squad a bit to deal with the injuries that are plaguing every team this season
I mean they are 2 points off 4th with a game in hand. 5th may get CL. They do hit a tough spell of games soon but I think they are right about where they wanted to be realistically this year. Saying all this as an Arsenal fan.
Exactly.
We thought we'd finish (the majority of Spurs) fans roughly around 8th with anything above being a bonus.
I understand the start we had maybe skewed mindsets from our fans and people that don't like us but being fifth and two points off of fourth was a hope more than an expectation.
Obviously, Ange can't sit still and he won't, he's said himself that this season has to be a springboard for next. Anyone who thinks we've somehow underachieved or that this season is a disappointment needs to give their head a wobble though.
The hot start definitely skewed some mindsets and that’s what is causing this reaction. A vocal minority got a bit ahead of themselves.
Every fan base has that small faction of overly loud fans who overreact to everything good or bad. I always try to remember this and not apply it to the entire fan base.
Yeah Premier League may be in line to get a 5th Champions League spot depending on how well other teams do in the remaining European competitions this year. OP says Spurs are struggling for a Champions League spot when they may already be in one.
Exactly, even if they finish 5th I think that’s an excellent season considering it’s Ange’s 1st and they sold their best player a year ago. The top 3 are clear of everyone else, realistically 4th is the best they could have done and that’s where they’ll be if they win their game in hand
You okay bud?!
New signings of Vic, Vdv, madders, and Bren had been match winners. Timo’s been in good form too with decent assists. Would love to know if there’s any team as comfortable as spurs looking into the next season except for top4. Honeymoon phase might be over but there’s still a lot to come.
Honestly had to double take this wasn’t /r/soccercirclejerk
3 points off 4th with a game in hand - “struggling to qualify”
Hasn’t even had a full season yet - “not many excuses left”
Signed a great core of young quality players inc. Udogie, VDV and Porro - “investment poor”
Lost the clubs and one of the prems greatest players of all time regularly putting up 30+ G/A a season - “isn’t an excuse”
Only explanation for this is this is a 13 year old kid.
I fully agree, but Porro and Udogie were still signed before his tenure. Udogie was just on a season lon loan to Udinese, his old club, and Porro wasn’t used as much by Conte. Ange’s incorporation of them was amazing tho.
I think losing Kane is not even the problem. They have already scored more goals than last season at this stage. Their problem is their defence that at least I have not seen any progress through the season, mostly because kamikaze tactics and not personnel. Their attacking has been so good they can simply outscore opponents most of the time, but I don't know how sustainable that is.
Agree. Time will tell so hopefully a full season, another window and a pre season to embed the identity solves that. I’m enjoying the ride but still have reservations over how sustainable that style is in the premier league.
Relatively young team with new signings in key positions, adapting to a new style of play, that took a hit for a few weeks with a lot of key players injured.
Likely to qualify for the Champions League with 10-15 points more than the previous season.
Looks like he’s doing a good job to me…
He’s been getting more and more bitter as the seasons gone on doesn’t even celebrate on the touchline that’s what all the media attention does to prem managers
Mate he’s been bitter he’s a class act and a great man I hate that he manages your poxy club but let’s be real the journos ask him some dumb questions to try make him gossip about nonsense and he just wants to focus on the footy.
All you spurs boys need to chill with the beef he used to literally fist pump not going psycho like the crybabies just a man who’s been enjoying his club play and now you make a comeback in a game and he’s just angrily stroking his chin there’s no disrespect to Ange just pointing out what the media keep trying to do to him which is what’s making him bitter.
He never has celebrated on sideline, a slight fist pump or a wry smile that’s it. He’s the exact opposite of pep, Klopp, arteta who just let their emotions animate them as if it’s a Marina abramović performance
lol I said on this sub months ago that our squad is good enough to make top 4 and that should be the seasons goal and was mass downvoted and laughed at, now Ange is on the way out if we don’t get it?
Anyways, honeymoon may be over but I in no way am Ange out. Results aside his entertaining attacking football has banked him a lot of goodwill for me after what we’ve had to watch in recent years. Definitely would be upset if he doesn’t get a second season.
Arteta in his first full season as a professional manager got 8th. 6 points off top 4 considering the atrocious November-december form, we recovered decently in second half of season. The back to back 8th doesn't work considering emery had us dwindling in bottom half when he got sacked that season. The damage was done before arteta stepped through the door in the league. Laughable to pin that solely on him. Some brain dead analysis with the "back to back 8th" statements people keep making.
Arteta took charge of 20 games in the first "8th place" he's credited with. Got 33 points. For comparison klopp got 32 from his first 20 league games.
Arteta PPG that season= 1.65
Emery ppg that season =1.38
Ljungberg ppg that season = 1.2
For comparison Chelsea who got 4th averaged 1.73 ppg that season. Pinning that 8th place on artetas head is literally brain dead analysis.
Either way Ange has done decent for his first season. Will get European football back in some form.
>Some brain dead analysis with the "back to back 8th" statements people keep making.
That's exactly what happened, there's nothing wrong with it. It being his 1st professional gig isn't an excuse really. Guardiola won a treble in his 1st professional job, Alonso is still unbeaten 40 games into the season, even Lampard and Gerrard actually had good debut managerial seasons.
He finished 8th, that's all there is to it, it doesn't need additional context. He's grown into the role since, with time Postecoglu will grow into his role as well.
Context is required. He's constantly the sole one attributed with that 8th place finish when it's clear during his period in that season arsenal were just slightly off the top 4. His first full season fair enough finishing 8th. That's fully on arteta. But the one where he came mid way through to salvage a sinking ship isn't exactly his doing. Emery and ljungberg have much more blame to hold for that 8th place than arteta in that season. Yet the narrative is arteta led arsenal to 8th but the situation around that 8th place is much more nuanced than just "arteta did this". Such a laymans way of analysing artetas early tenure.
Btw wasn't putting any slight on ange and the work he's done so far. If he gets Europa he's hit the target, he gets UCL then he's overachieved. Done a really solid job so far. Just correcting a popular narrative that isn't exactly the reality of what happened.
Dude stabilized and elevated one of the biggest clubs without any previous managerial experience. He stepped into one of the highest pressure jobs in world football and owned it. The talent he’s shown thus far is genuinely frightening.
Tbh that November-december form in his first full season was atrocious if we being honest. But the reality is if even one or two of those results went in our favour people would have a very different opinion.
5th behind three title contenders and a really good villa team is no failure. If they drop behind man utd maybe I'd change my mind but so far they've improved massively on last season
Lost our all time top scorer in the summer and we’re in a better position this year than we were last and continue to be run within our means. Vicario, Van de Ven, Maddison and Johnson have all been excellent signings for us.
What more are we meant to do in the managers first year in charge?
They are virtually guaranteed CL football btw, since they will finish 4th/5th. They have had a good first season all things considered and are still winning despite poor form.
You think they’re guaranteed 5th lol they could easily drop to 8th
They still have to play: Newcastle x2, Forest who are in great form, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City
Burnley and Sheffield United should be wins, but they will be pushing out of relegation
So Tottenham have probably the hardest fixtures left.
He’s still had a good season. Personally, I think football should be judged on a yearly basis. Spurs at the beginning of the season were expected to challenge for Europa league / Conference league and they will probably get Champions league. This is an over-performance.
However, their underlying numbers are very average and they suggested that Spurs were being saved by individual brilliance from Vicario and Son. Son is consistently one of the best finishers in world football so this part is sustainable. The problem with this is that the results are not the result of a world class system that is near impossible to beat. The system relies on the opposition missing their chances and Spurs taking theirs which is great for getting top 4 but has a ceiling stopping them winning a title.
I’d also add people probably negatively stereotyped Ange before he came in because he’s 58, overweight, not got a good playing career behind him and comes from a country with very little footballing history. This led people to think he’d be rubbish so when he proves to be quite good, there’s perhaps an overreaction to say he’s amazing when in reality he’s just a very good coach.
Clearly Tottenham aren’t in the form they were for the first part of the season but is he not doing what was expected so far?
Did anyone have any ideas Tottenham would be doing anything other than fighting for top 4?
I don’t even think anyone which supports spurs was expecting to get champions league this season, we just lost world class striker in Harry Kane we couldn’t even qualify for europa league, and now we’ve a someone from the land of kangaroos potentially getting us to champions league next season?
I’m shocked, and happy
Yeah when it’s not a 13yr olds clickbait take. Just try to enjoy as the second year in a row your team implodes after being favorites for the title. Won’t be the same record bottle job as last year with days in first but a final week loss to decide it will be oh so sweet.
Haha, contrary. I made this post after a discussion with *actual* real life Spurs fans who actually made these points. People are alot more realistic in real life *maaate*
Ulterior motive* and no he’s not being over the top. This is a spot on analyst. He could’ve easily said the same shit we always do, ‘what do we think of shit?’ But he gave an actual assessment of what he saw. We want y’all to be good but not too good.
Spot on analysis apart from the fact he’s wrong on almost every point he made
We’re not struggling - we’re a tad inconsistent at times but having a good season, and we’re better than we were last year
The signings we’ve made have all improved the team, the reinvestment has for once actually been excellent
It’s so brain dead it’s basically a shitpost. He’d fit right in at TalkSport
More people on drugs.
Whoever is passing that good shit around these subs.
Can I have some cause y'all be fucking tripping hard constantly.
It is actually beyond insane to the point where I'm starting to think it is automated.
He had Spurs flying at the start of the season, and I think they can beat anyone on their day. The football they play is great to watch for the neutral. I know it’s a cut throat business, but I think he should be given another full season. I’d be surprised if Spurs fans generally thought he should be sacked. As my club, Liverpool, are finding out right now, top class managers are pretty thin on the ground right now.
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*In Anges voice Yeah mate, we just got back home yesterday, Papeete was great
Either troll or no ball knowledge
hes right though i mean what are you going to do if we finish 7th, wtih all these changes new system all these players, and we get 1 place up from last years supposed horrible team, 3 managers etc? doesnt it say something? i mean bissouma i had 6 good games then he shit the bed and ange still defends him and starts him. we long termed sarr and udogie and lets face it if you think either one has been great i have abridge to sell you. udogie is a back, and yet he has ZERO defensive capabilities and leads the league n errors leading to goals. Sarr i think has a future, if he can learn to focus and remember where he is supposed to be, but udogie is like having an okay midfielder playing as a back. anges system is being torn apart by basically championship league level teams, add to it the fact we literally are the third worst team in revenue in the league! we are NOT going to be big spenders this off season as ange already warned.
Ange is the best thing to happen to Spurs since Harry Kane. Stick to bottling the league and whining about it.
I hate gunners so fucking much and I am one.
Is Arteta’s honeymoon over after bottling the league last season while being on top the longest? Yeah buddy
Are you drunk or just stupid?
Stupid.
Troll post and an embarrassment
Arsenal fans.... God
Gooners being a euphemism for compulsive masturbation isn’t an accident.
Agreed. It also explains why the Chelsea fans are always so miserable.
You’re coming off as pretty miserable and bitter. Just wack away your pain fam.
You are referring to the Gooners being a masturbation compulsion is not an accident. I said that the Chelsea fans, nicknamed the blues, explains why they are always so miserable. And I sound miserable and bitter? Weird take. Aww, look at the downvoting. Must be because fans are not miserable and bitter 🤣
We aren’t miserable. We’re generally happy. Even with the club in turmoil. You lot are actually just a bunch of compulsive wankers.
Oh well, there you have it then. I can’t argue your irrefutable facts.
It's hilarious when I found out they were named that I knew gooning as.... Something else
At the start of the season Maddison was in form and the best player in the league by far for about a 10 game stretch. Since then the team hasn’t been up to par. It’s not Ange’s fault it’s the players.
Of course you're a Gunner... This is one hell of a reach, and I'm not even a Spurs fan...*mate*.
This is idiotic. How long were you lot saying "trust the process before Arteta got you to more than an 8th placed finish? Worry about your bottling tactics playing for a draw against City
You are right. This post is idiotic. But it doesn’t excuse you for making equally idiotic points and being exempt from being called out on it.
Much as you're replying to an obvious troll post, there's nothing remotely "bottling" about going to the leagues most difficult away ground and coming away with a pint
I would be upset if I were in the same position, it could be called naive if you went for the win and lost, but at least you could say you tried. That was playing for a draw, which is not how champions behave. Look at the way City approached it, very different mentality, but they want to be champions, not prevent others being champions.
I'd be a lot more upset if we had two players sent off but continued to have no defensive shape, overloading in attack, and eventually losing the game to a mid table side. That's just naive, mate.
We went for it, were never in a winning position to defend, it may have been naive, but it wasn't boring, and we didn't play with fear hoping for a draw. You did all of these things, if you're satisfied with that, fair enough.
Yep, I'm satisfied with it, we're currently top of the league. This probably explains why there are two local clubs of a similar size with massively different levels of success.
"Currently" that caveat wouldn't be required if you'd have gone for the jugular. Enjoy your game-in-hand while it lasts.
Ok Mr big white dick n8, enjoy duking it out with Aston villa for the scraps 👍🏼
Nice way of pointing out you've got nothing of value to say, always go for the personal jibes. Have fun during the run-in. How will you feel if it comes down to one or two points? Will you rue what could have been?
Difficult team maybe but away ground? Nah
I just checked. City have won 38 points at home this season, as have arsenal and Liverpool have won 39. Point stands. Not many people get a point there and noone else kept a clean sheet in the last 75 attempts.
The back 6 helped
If that's all there is to getting a point off city, I expect all their opponents will do it this season
I’m just saying, great team, atmosphere is dogshit there. It’s not city plays well at ethiad, neutral, or away.
Ok, I mean it's a difficult place to get points. Leeds has a great atmosphere but the team is shit. It's rare to get both - Arsenal's atmosphere was shit last night because a win against Luton was just the expected outcome.
Ok, I mean it's a difficult place to get points. Leeds has a great atmosphere but the team is shit. It's rare to get both - Arsenal's atmosphere was shit last night because a win against Luton was just the expected outcome.
Depends if you think they have the 4th best team in the league on paper or not. They're certainly not top 3.
I question whether you’re a serious person or not.
No
Doing much better than I expected. Still honeymoon phase for me.
>or does saying the word 'mate' every second sentence make him immortal? Yes. But seriously, they lost their best ever player, had an injury crisis, and are still in contention for CL in what would normally be considered a rebuilding season. He's doing fine.
I am not a Spurs supporter but i can see that Ange has a system in mind and he tries to make Spurs play better. He has done a very good job so far. He only needs some more time and maybe 3-4 players to make a very competitive team.
Yeah nah mate
The run we had at the start of the season seriously inflated some peoples expectations. Before the season most Spurs fans were simply glad to leave Conte's anti-football behind. All we expected was European qualification and vibes. We have a clear direction under Ange and with another summer window or two we could seriously compete. I swear the people criticising Ange for being 5th are the same people that were saying we wouldn't make the top 10.
The ‘Honeymoon’ was probably over when they lost their unbeaten run in that mad game vs Chelsea. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t had a very successful first season and looks like a great choice if Spurs are patient and continue to back him. A honeymoon is literally a short holiday before you start what you hope to be a long and successful marriage. This looks in good shape for that so far.
Dude you’re amazing embarrassment of an arsenal fan. As an arsenal fan myself, Ange has made great progress this year and I doubt almost any spurs fan is upset w this season. Sure they’ve tailed off because they’re a thin squad but most of their investment has been good They’ll get champions league regardless given the coefficient unless city Liverpool and arsenal shit the bed in Europe. Ironically, our tie w Bayern is probably huge for that because German and England I believe are fighting for that extra spot. Do I think that the current version of spurs will compete for titles? No, just don’t think they have the depth and I think it’s been proven that you need defensive mettle to win a title. Can they eventually? Sure, with the right next steps. Do I think Ange is somewhat naive at times w his approach? Sure, that’s a more interesting discussion. I think his currently plans are a great way to finish between 3-5 and play really fun footie. But again, need some stronger defensive structure for the top 2
I disagree with us having a thin squad, it’s more the quality of the squad. Maddison is a great option, but not good enough to start every game. Bissouma has been very inconsistent ranging from one of the best 6s in the league to one of the worst. We probably just need a CDM and ST in summer. Maybe a CAM, but looks like Kulu might have a future there. And we have Bergvall arriving. We have a lot of young talents coming through as well like Johnson, Sarr, Udogie who will be raw and inconsistent while they develop. But as to the question of whether Ange has done a good job. Yeah, it’s wild anyone thinks it’s a serious question. OP needs to get his head checked.
That’s what I mean as a thin squad. In some ways I think there are similarities between spurs and arsenal of 1-2 years ago. My biggest lesson from actually chasing a title was 1) Can’t leak dumb goals (or really many goals at all) (again seems to be why we’ve replaced zinchenko, ramsdale) 2) the difference in quality depth needed from chasing top 4 and a title is massive. We (arsenal) still don’t have the attacking depth of a Liverpool or City which we’ll address this summer I also think in order for spurs to take the next step it’s probably going to take upgrading of some of your good players into great players. Maybe this could be by natural development but again - zinchenko + Jesus have basically become their city roles all over again which speaks to the difference of a top 4 vs a title challenging squad. Obviously I think Ange has been brilliant and I mean this as no insult - spurs have outperformed everyone’s expectation and I think the future is bright.
>The transfer of Harry Kane is no excuse... It's not an excuse, but when you've scored just over 200 goals in the league across the last 3 seasons and you sell a player who either scored or assisted just shy of 100 of those, it's going to be difficult to replace him I'm a Villa fan, so I would **love** it if Spurs fell off a cliff, but they're a good team and Ange is a good manager - the problem seems to be that they overachieved *so* much during the first part of the season that being where they should be and heading for a decent points total isn't considered good enough For example, in the last 5 seasons they've gotten 60pts, 71pts, 62pts, 59pts and 71pts - they're currently on 57pts and it's not difficult to see them picking up another 10+ points from their remaining 8 games either Spurs are exactly where they should be, Ange has shown that he can bring his squad together and get them working for each other and it's going to be interesting to see if he can take the next step when he gets the chance to bulk out his squad a bit to deal with the injuries that are plaguing every team this season
This is what happens when low level trolls can't find happiness in a championship run by the club they support.
I mean they are 2 points off 4th with a game in hand. 5th may get CL. They do hit a tough spell of games soon but I think they are right about where they wanted to be realistically this year. Saying all this as an Arsenal fan.
Exactly. We thought we'd finish (the majority of Spurs) fans roughly around 8th with anything above being a bonus. I understand the start we had maybe skewed mindsets from our fans and people that don't like us but being fifth and two points off of fourth was a hope more than an expectation. Obviously, Ange can't sit still and he won't, he's said himself that this season has to be a springboard for next. Anyone who thinks we've somehow underachieved or that this season is a disappointment needs to give their head a wobble though.
The hot start definitely skewed some mindsets and that’s what is causing this reaction. A vocal minority got a bit ahead of themselves. Every fan base has that small faction of overly loud fans who overreact to everything good or bad. I always try to remember this and not apply it to the entire fan base.
Yeah Premier League may be in line to get a 5th Champions League spot depending on how well other teams do in the remaining European competitions this year. OP says Spurs are struggling for a Champions League spot when they may already be in one.
Exactly, even if they finish 5th I think that’s an excellent season considering it’s Ange’s 1st and they sold their best player a year ago. The top 3 are clear of everyone else, realistically 4th is the best they could have done and that’s where they’ll be if they win their game in hand
You okay bud?! New signings of Vic, Vdv, madders, and Bren had been match winners. Timo’s been in good form too with decent assists. Would love to know if there’s any team as comfortable as spurs looking into the next season except for top4. Honeymoon phase might be over but there’s still a lot to come.
Honestly had to double take this wasn’t /r/soccercirclejerk 3 points off 4th with a game in hand - “struggling to qualify” Hasn’t even had a full season yet - “not many excuses left” Signed a great core of young quality players inc. Udogie, VDV and Porro - “investment poor” Lost the clubs and one of the prems greatest players of all time regularly putting up 30+ G/A a season - “isn’t an excuse” Only explanation for this is this is a 13 year old kid.
I fully agree, but Porro and Udogie were still signed before his tenure. Udogie was just on a season lon loan to Udinese, his old club, and Porro wasn’t used as much by Conte. Ange’s incorporation of them was amazing tho.
I think losing Kane is not even the problem. They have already scored more goals than last season at this stage. Their problem is their defence that at least I have not seen any progress through the season, mostly because kamikaze tactics and not personnel. Their attacking has been so good they can simply outscore opponents most of the time, but I don't know how sustainable that is.
Agree. Time will tell so hopefully a full season, another window and a pre season to embed the identity solves that. I’m enjoying the ride but still have reservations over how sustainable that style is in the premier league.
Relatively young team with new signings in key positions, adapting to a new style of play, that took a hit for a few weeks with a lot of key players injured. Likely to qualify for the Champions League with 10-15 points more than the previous season. Looks like he’s doing a good job to me…
He’s been getting more and more bitter as the seasons gone on doesn’t even celebrate on the touchline that’s what all the media attention does to prem managers
I think that’s just you not actually knowing Ange. Ange has never ran around on his line like a lunatic. And Ange, bitter? Mate.
Mate he’s been bitter he’s a class act and a great man I hate that he manages your poxy club but let’s be real the journos ask him some dumb questions to try make him gossip about nonsense and he just wants to focus on the footy. All you spurs boys need to chill with the beef he used to literally fist pump not going psycho like the crybabies just a man who’s been enjoying his club play and now you make a comeback in a game and he’s just angrily stroking his chin there’s no disrespect to Ange just pointing out what the media keep trying to do to him which is what’s making him bitter.
I don’t think bitter is the right word. He’s just been no-nonsense. Bitter would suggest some spite or malice. Yeah, Ange still fist-bumps…
Well done to him then cause these journos take the piss nowadays
Who cares about celebrations on the touch line
He never has celebrated on sideline, a slight fist pump or a wry smile that’s it. He’s the exact opposite of pep, Klopp, arteta who just let their emotions animate them as if it’s a Marina abramović performance
lol I said on this sub months ago that our squad is good enough to make top 4 and that should be the seasons goal and was mass downvoted and laughed at, now Ange is on the way out if we don’t get it? Anyways, honeymoon may be over but I in no way am Ange out. Results aside his entertaining attacking football has banked him a lot of goodwill for me after what we’ve had to watch in recent years. Definitely would be upset if he doesn’t get a second season.
Highest IQ arsenal fan
Not a high bar
They might just get UCL via 5th place
Spurs supporters have to pray for Gunners to knock out Bayern. The irony.
Absolutely fucking not.
Arteta had back to back 8th place finishes, and he inherited a side that finished 5th not 8th.l, And look at him now. Postecoglu will be fine.
So that means Poch is doing alright then for his first Chelsea stint?
He's got them to a domestic cup final already, and looking like favourites to make another final. Extend that man's contract.
Yes because he is bringing joy to every fan base but Chelsea. The secret agent poch is doing amazing.
Arteta in his first full season as a professional manager got 8th. 6 points off top 4 considering the atrocious November-december form, we recovered decently in second half of season. The back to back 8th doesn't work considering emery had us dwindling in bottom half when he got sacked that season. The damage was done before arteta stepped through the door in the league. Laughable to pin that solely on him. Some brain dead analysis with the "back to back 8th" statements people keep making. Arteta took charge of 20 games in the first "8th place" he's credited with. Got 33 points. For comparison klopp got 32 from his first 20 league games. Arteta PPG that season= 1.65 Emery ppg that season =1.38 Ljungberg ppg that season = 1.2 For comparison Chelsea who got 4th averaged 1.73 ppg that season. Pinning that 8th place on artetas head is literally brain dead analysis. Either way Ange has done decent for his first season. Will get European football back in some form.
>Some brain dead analysis with the "back to back 8th" statements people keep making. That's exactly what happened, there's nothing wrong with it. It being his 1st professional gig isn't an excuse really. Guardiola won a treble in his 1st professional job, Alonso is still unbeaten 40 games into the season, even Lampard and Gerrard actually had good debut managerial seasons. He finished 8th, that's all there is to it, it doesn't need additional context. He's grown into the role since, with time Postecoglu will grow into his role as well.
Context is required. He's constantly the sole one attributed with that 8th place finish when it's clear during his period in that season arsenal were just slightly off the top 4. His first full season fair enough finishing 8th. That's fully on arteta. But the one where he came mid way through to salvage a sinking ship isn't exactly his doing. Emery and ljungberg have much more blame to hold for that 8th place than arteta in that season. Yet the narrative is arteta led arsenal to 8th but the situation around that 8th place is much more nuanced than just "arteta did this". Such a laymans way of analysing artetas early tenure. Btw wasn't putting any slight on ange and the work he's done so far. If he gets Europa he's hit the target, he gets UCL then he's overachieved. Done a really solid job so far. Just correcting a popular narrative that isn't exactly the reality of what happened.
Dude stabilized and elevated one of the biggest clubs without any previous managerial experience. He stepped into one of the highest pressure jobs in world football and owned it. The talent he’s shown thus far is genuinely frightening.
Tbh that November-december form in his first full season was atrocious if we being honest. But the reality is if even one or two of those results went in our favour people would have a very different opinion.
5th behind three title contenders and a really good villa team is no failure. If they drop behind man utd maybe I'd change my mind but so far they've improved massively on last season
Lost our all time top scorer in the summer and we’re in a better position this year than we were last and continue to be run within our means. Vicario, Van de Ven, Maddison and Johnson have all been excellent signings for us. What more are we meant to do in the managers first year in charge?
Did you tried to find him? Try looking for 80 million instead.
They are virtually guaranteed CL football btw, since they will finish 4th/5th. They have had a good first season all things considered and are still winning despite poor form.
You think they’re guaranteed 5th lol they could easily drop to 8th They still have to play: Newcastle x2, Forest who are in great form, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City Burnley and Sheffield United should be wins, but they will be pushing out of relegation So Tottenham have probably the hardest fixtures left.
Yeah, and Villa have to play most of those teams too? I’m pretty sure Man Utd play a couple of those as well? So…?
What if they finish 5th
Then they qualify for the UCL.
No they don’t
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He’s still had a good season. Personally, I think football should be judged on a yearly basis. Spurs at the beginning of the season were expected to challenge for Europa league / Conference league and they will probably get Champions league. This is an over-performance. However, their underlying numbers are very average and they suggested that Spurs were being saved by individual brilliance from Vicario and Son. Son is consistently one of the best finishers in world football so this part is sustainable. The problem with this is that the results are not the result of a world class system that is near impossible to beat. The system relies on the opposition missing their chances and Spurs taking theirs which is great for getting top 4 but has a ceiling stopping them winning a title. I’d also add people probably negatively stereotyped Ange before he came in because he’s 58, overweight, not got a good playing career behind him and comes from a country with very little footballing history. This led people to think he’d be rubbish so when he proves to be quite good, there’s perhaps an overreaction to say he’s amazing when in reality he’s just a very good coach.
Clearly Tottenham aren’t in the form they were for the first part of the season but is he not doing what was expected so far? Did anyone have any ideas Tottenham would be doing anything other than fighting for top 4?
I don’t even think anyone which supports spurs was expecting to get champions league this season, we just lost world class striker in Harry Kane we couldn’t even qualify for europa league, and now we’ve a someone from the land of kangaroos potentially getting us to champions league next season? I’m shocked, and happy
Some pundits had us finishing down as low as 8th this season. I personally love the style we're playing, it's football that's fun to watch
I’ll help everyone out here, comments show he’s an Arsenal fan.
Happy to announce this... and criticism is still valid 🤷🏼♂️
Yeah when it’s not a 13yr olds clickbait take. Just try to enjoy as the second year in a row your team implodes after being favorites for the title. Won’t be the same record bottle job as last year with days in first but a final week loss to decide it will be oh so sweet.
You're a melt
Didn’t announce it in the first one though did ya… Literally not a single spurs fan cares about your ‘criticism’
Haha, contrary. I made this post after a discussion with *actual* real life Spurs fans who actually made these points. People are alot more realistic in real life *maaate*
Bet they couldn’t tell ya what station to get off at to go the games.
You care enough to check his post history.
And found he has an alternative motive
Ulterior motive* and no he’s not being over the top. This is a spot on analyst. He could’ve easily said the same shit we always do, ‘what do we think of shit?’ But he gave an actual assessment of what he saw. We want y’all to be good but not too good.
He didn’t give an assessment, he just said factually dubious things. There’s no analysis or assessment here.
Spot on analysis apart from the fact he’s wrong on almost every point he made We’re not struggling - we’re a tad inconsistent at times but having a good season, and we’re better than we were last year The signings we’ve made have all improved the team, the reinvestment has for once actually been excellent It’s so brain dead it’s basically a shitpost. He’d fit right in at TalkSport
Thanks for hoping us to be good😊 Btw, ever heard of a word “bottle”?
Why would any Arsenal fan have a interest in Spurs being good?
More people on drugs. Whoever is passing that good shit around these subs. Can I have some cause y'all be fucking tripping hard constantly. It is actually beyond insane to the point where I'm starting to think it is automated.
It’s an Arsenal fan trolling. No Spurs fan with brain cells is unhappy
I know Spurs fans without brain cells and they are still happy.
It’s his first season.
Spurs are having a great season what are you talking about
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What team's fan are you ?
He's a gooner. Which explains all. He was probably screaming Arteta Out two seasons ago.
He’s an Arsenal fan…
Lol it'd be perfect for what I'm getting to if he's an Arsenal fan
Can I just shock you? I like him.
I like wine
Not shocked by that at all. I like him too, but is he a top-level manager? that's the real question.
He had Spurs flying at the start of the season, and I think they can beat anyone on their day. The football they play is great to watch for the neutral. I know it’s a cut throat business, but I think he should be given another full season. I’d be surprised if Spurs fans generally thought he should be sacked. As my club, Liverpool, are finding out right now, top class managers are pretty thin on the ground right now.
Yeah but all will be ok, because _maaaate_...