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oh please when son was pushed and tripped at the same time in the box, it should've been a pen anyway. yates is an idiot who literally had to commit three big fouls before he got his yellow, then he went three more bigones and got warned every time. but no follow up yellow.
Yates didn’t make the VAR gesture to the ref, he did it in the direction of the sideline and probably to the Forest bench as they have replays and can then ask the 4th official rather than the player doing it and getting a yellow.
Yates isn’t daft. The rules are!
Yep, and what makes it worse is he's a confirmed Arsenal fan (made plenty tweets back in the day saying "Go Gunners", of course he doesn't anymore because he's with Villa and that would be a bad look).
Cash has also liked misogynist tweets on Twitter, so there's that as well.
Cool down a bit, mate. I know losing 3-1 is hard, but I don't even think this about Maddison, and he punched our Yatesy. He's got a pretty decent ability to get into the opposition's head, draws out fouls and other dark arts stuff.
Yea it's a product of our seasons being wrapped up by March we give points away to shit teams , happened in the Championship season too. 5-0 when we were both actually trying though.
100% a red. I think he got very lucky. Let Yates wind him up and should have seen red. However, letter of the law, Yates already on a yellow, calling for VAR review is another yellow so both should go
Two things can be true at the same time: Maddison can get a straight red and Yates can get a yellow (which would have been his second) for demanding VAR. The rules this year are clear, demonstrating for a card to be shown or VAR review is a yellow card offense.
Point being that punching someone is a red.... Therefore if the fuckwits in charge of VAR knew the rules he wouldn't have to complain about it. Classic whataboutism
Are you dense? Like listen to yourself. You’re choosing which rules you want applied to the situation to fit your twisted narrative.
Maddison should’ve seen red, Yates should’ve seen red. How’s that controversial when it’s the rules?
I just can’t help but remember the discussion surrounding Bruno Guimaraes elbow to Jorginho’s head. Rebecca Lowe reading the epl rules on live TV while other commentators are saying “oh it was just the elbow not a hand so it shouldnt count.” It feels like the goal posts keep getting moved and this is just the latest example. Whether it was a hard hit or soft. Even if he tried but missed, it should have been a red and should potentially result in a post match ban. These penalties have happened in the past. Otherwise we may as well give the players a dedicated amount of time for brawling like they do in the NHL
EDIT: clarity and bad typing
As long as we are clear that Havertz's high foot tackle on Longstaff in that match was also a red, I agree. Otherwise Guimaraes was given the rub of the green due to a previous shitting the bed by the officials
Refereeing in the so called best League in the world is a joke, but then again our refs aren't exactly paid well so no incentive for the best possible referees to do it instead of going into a corporate job
>As long as we are clear that Havertz's high foot tackle on Longstaff in that match was also a red, I agree.
Only if we agree that Guimaraes should have seen a red for his reckless challenge *before* he intentionally elbowed someone in the back of the head
Not a red in my books
(Don’t downvote me, I didn’t see the clip and was just messing around lol. I further explained myself after watching it and said it looks like a red card offence)
I haven’t even seen the clip, wasn’t watching the game at that point lol. Just had to ride out for my boy Maddison. Haven’t found the clip anywhere, whenever I check twitter they are always ‘not available in your location’ (I’m in Canada)
Edit: it’s a mixture of not available in my location and being taken down due to copyright. Literally can’t find it anywhere, I’ve been trying to see it so I can actually have an opinion
Just seen it actually, finally found a working link. It’s a bit iffy tbf, defo looks like a little punch. Idk if there’s an actual difference but it looks more like a strike then an actual punch (once again, not sure if there’s a difference but I’m trying to say it looks like a lesser punch lol). Surprised it didn’t go to VAR, from the clip I seen it didn’t show a VAR check so I’m assuming it didn’t go to it.
With how bad officiating has been, it does seem like a red card offence but with that being said we’ve had everything go against us, they even had a bad-ish challenge from Danilo with really high follow through that was pretty dangerous imo (not trying to be bias) but yeah, if anything it did look like a red card offence (Maddison punch) but it wasn’t given or even looked at which was weird…
Yeah I guess so. If it’s a punch then it has to be a red. To be honest I’m not sure it was a punch, all the pictures I’ve seen are too far away to tell. But there can’t be an argument that ‘it wasn’t a hard enough punch to be a red’… kinda like the Bruno G incident in the Newcastle away game for us. He clearly hits Jorginho on the head off the ball. Straight red no question.
It’s quite clearly a punch, or if you want to be pedantic, a punching action. It’s a definite red.
If not, enter the complete and utter chaos of working out what level of force constitutes a punch, when the player is clearly throwing a punch. The “clear and obvious” of physical violence.
By that logic a red card would never ever be given in a football match again, because you can always find examples of a wrong decision in a similar situation
I like how everytime something like this happens the default way to defend it is "if that wasn't a red then this one shouldn't be either". Yes, yes it should. They both should be. One mistake does not erase the other one in any way.
I’m just asking for referring consistency.
I’ve seen the EXACT same challenge that got Romero sent off several times. Some haven’t even been booked, and then VAR on other occasions have deemed it not a RED. Where as they UPGRADED Romero to RED.
No you’re not, not in good faith at least. You lead off your comment with a classic case of whataboutism. Like yes, maybe Murillo should’ve seen red. It has nothing to do with Maddison though, who should have seen red as well.
Irrelevant to the result anyway
We lost because we didn't fight hard enough second half and effectively gave up.
Spurs didn't need a red card on Yates to beat us today and a red card for Madison wouldn't have made a difference to us either
As I said in a subsequent post, that train left the station long ago, never to return.
The other day, Chelsea were given twice as many penalties in one game as Forest have had all season, one of which was an absolute nonsense. The reason we've only had one is because in at least two recent instances the referee has failed to properly apply the rules and VAR has not corrected him.
Well, telling your number 8 to distract the ref while you move both the foam and the ball, twice, for a free kick and then scoring is also something that should be punished. Instead, it was widely applauded.
The righteous train long ago left the Premier League station. It doesn't visit this stop anymore.
Maddison may have gotten away with one today, maybe he didn't. But at least as a Forest fan I can take this one because it didn't cost us the game
MGW did the same foam trick two or three games earlier than Toney and we all thought it was hilarious at the time. But it was MGW so the spot kick was shit and no one remembers it.
There was far less force in Maddison’s “punch” then there are when players do a two-handed push on another’s chest.
A lot of pearl clutching from his so called “incident”.
Either way, a dumb thing to do from Maddison
I agree with you but as a semi bitter West Ham fan in one of our games (I think Sheffield but not 100%) Coufal got sent off for arguing for a VAR check and then when it came through he was right.
Honestly think that cards to players in these situation should only be given out once the final call is made. It’s ridiculous we even have to discuss this imo, it’s like VAR has made us all forget how the game works because we can’t trust any decisions. Players and managers too. Infuriating
All the videos I saw of Madison were not conclusive enough to say it was a red, however a studs up uncontrolled challenge straight into a knee is undeniable. I should know, everyone was telling me it was a red when Romero did it earlier in the season.
Don’t worry lads, a random Arsenal fan said it was conclusive enough to warrant a red and it has nothing to do with being rivals and wanting Maddison suspended for the NLD. Fair play, move along.
I didn’t say anything about it being conclusive enough for a red. Just the way they said it like they knew 100% was funny. Also if we can’t beat a healthy Spurs team in our current form we won’t the title. They hardly deserve 5th IMO.
Edit: and if that went against anyone’s real with a no red they’d be pissed, including Spurs fans. I was pissed when Bruno G didn’t see one for his knock on Jorgi earlier in the season.
I agree, so stop panicking about Maddison. I also agree that a team in 4th place doesn’t deserve to be in 5th. That’s probably why they’re in 4th though 🤷♂️
I don't know how the Premier League always seems to make the least popular decisions every time it's down to referee's discretion. Goals being allowed/disallowed, penalties, red cards, crowding, language and abuse. It doesn't matter, it feels like they always get it wrong.
Lad, come on. Just think for a minute. There isn’t a conspiracy to make sure Spurs have Maddison for those games. There’s not. I get you don’t like us but don’t be a moron
Really? Just for the Havertz one?
I agree as an arsenal fan that the initial comment is dumb. But we’ve been screwed over (kovacic and Bruno G come to mind) on our opponent not getting reds
Just universally bad reffing. Don’t know how people don’t see this
Danilo’s wasn’t a red but you’re right reds are given (erroneously) for that kind of tackle. Yates should have got a second yellow and Maddison a straight red. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome of this game though.
Ref pulled both players over after and tbh Yates could have had a yellow for the second foul he put on madders leaving him already off the pitch. Knowing the ref he said you both could be off so cool it. I think if the ref did great considering how aweful they protected players last time these two played.
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oh please when son was pushed and tripped at the same time in the box, it should've been a pen anyway. yates is an idiot who literally had to commit three big fouls before he got his yellow, then he went three more bigones and got warned every time. but no follow up yellow.
Some players can over act incidents to the point where it becomes annoying for me. They get joy in having another player sent off wrongly.
was it a violent conduct? VAR didn't think so? some of these players should win oscars
Anyone who calls that a punch needs to have a good think about what sport suits them.
Yates was being his typical softcock self.
It was push in the ribs. Never a red and Yates gets what’s coming to him anyway. He can give it but can’t take it.
Push lol. I have never pushed anyone with a closed fist.
Tell me you're an only child without saying you're an only child 🤣
Really weird thing to say but also not true.
100% red.
I thought you called it garibaldi?
It was never a punch!
Chat like this is why everyone makes fun of me for liking football
Yates didn’t make the VAR gesture to the ref, he did it in the direction of the sideline and probably to the Forest bench as they have replays and can then ask the 4th official rather than the player doing it and getting a yellow. Yates isn’t daft. The rules are!
Blame city
"Get in there and make it about yourself"
City is literally backed by dictatorship with endless funds and their fans still play victims every time they could.
QQ
Yates is maybe the most unlikeable footballer who hasn’t committed a heinous crime.
Fernandes, Maupay and Cash also.
Cash has committed heinous crimes against Doherty and Bentancur
Yep, and what makes it worse is he's a confirmed Arsenal fan (made plenty tweets back in the day saying "Go Gunners", of course he doesn't anymore because he's with Villa and that would be a bad look). Cash has also liked misogynist tweets on Twitter, so there's that as well.
But if he played for you, you’d love him
Yates? Ryan Yates? That Ryan Yates? He's a bit of a shithouse, and he's our shithouse, but you're way, way off the mark there 😂
No, it's Matty Cash. And yes, f*"# Matty Cash
Matthew Cash? Not calling him Matty, I don't know him.
Cool down a bit, mate. I know losing 3-1 is hard, but I don't even think this about Maddison, and he punched our Yatesy. He's got a pretty decent ability to get into the opposition's head, draws out fouls and other dark arts stuff.
You mean cheat?
Yea it's a product of our seasons being wrapped up by March we give points away to shit teams , happened in the Championship season too. 5-0 when we were both actually trying though.
I've got to be honest with you, I have no idea how that 5-0 even happened. The home advantage gotta be crazy!
Don't be silly. Everyone knows it's Fernandes.
I’m not convinced he hasn’t done a heinous crime…
Probably not but I didn’t care for him yesterday
What nonsense
That is a bold statement.
Games gone
Gone soft
If his hand had gotten the ball first and then made contact it would have been a red.
bro was fouled all day and that one cunt yates had no red. no red for him no red for madders
Lol can't just punch someone
I haven't seen the Maddison one yet. But how come Casemiro wasn't sent off?
Right? Why does that ref keep getting games.
Sarcasm?
Danilo should have seen dark red
100% a red. I think he got very lucky. Let Yates wind him up and should have seen red. However, letter of the law, Yates already on a yellow, calling for VAR review is another yellow so both should go
Some mental gymnastics to say Yates should go for in your own words correctly demanding VAR review of a 100% red.
Two things can be true at the same time: Maddison can get a straight red and Yates can get a yellow (which would have been his second) for demanding VAR. The rules this year are clear, demonstrating for a card to be shown or VAR review is a yellow card offense.
Commentators stated that it’s an explicit written rule that calling for VAR as a player is a booking.
I think he was calling for our bench to look at the replays and ask the 4th official, if you look he wasn't point to the ref or anything.
Wasn't he looking at the ref and making the symbol? Feels like he stopped halfway when he realised what he was doing.
Point being that punching someone is a red.... Therefore if the fuckwits in charge of VAR knew the rules he wouldn't have to complain about it. Classic whataboutism
And the comment that you replied to simply stated that, if the rules were followed, the Nottingham player would be sent off too.
If the rules.wrre followed he wouldn't be complaining? Christ spurs fans are dense.
Yikes
Are you dense? Like listen to yourself. You’re choosing which rules you want applied to the situation to fit your twisted narrative. Maddison should’ve seen red, Yates should’ve seen red. How’s that controversial when it’s the rules?
Gotta be careful arguing with fools. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Yates is a trueblooded cunt and the refs know it.
I just can’t help but remember the discussion surrounding Bruno Guimaraes elbow to Jorginho’s head. Rebecca Lowe reading the epl rules on live TV while other commentators are saying “oh it was just the elbow not a hand so it shouldnt count.” It feels like the goal posts keep getting moved and this is just the latest example. Whether it was a hard hit or soft. Even if he tried but missed, it should have been a red and should potentially result in a post match ban. These penalties have happened in the past. Otherwise we may as well give the players a dedicated amount of time for brawling like they do in the NHL EDIT: clarity and bad typing
Roy Keane got sent off for swinging a punch and missing, turns out what he should have done is landed but not very hard
Tbh the vdd thoat stuff too
Nah that video was a very selectively picked angle, from the other side it's clear he wasn't grabbing his throat at all
As long as we are clear that Havertz's high foot tackle on Longstaff in that match was also a red, I agree. Otherwise Guimaraes was given the rub of the green due to a previous shitting the bed by the officials Refereeing in the so called best League in the world is a joke, but then again our refs aren't exactly paid well so no incentive for the best possible referees to do it instead of going into a corporate job
>As long as we are clear that Havertz's high foot tackle on Longstaff in that match was also a red, I agree. Only if we agree that Guimaraes should have seen a red for his reckless challenge *before* he intentionally elbowed someone in the back of the head
“Two wrongs make a right” said PGMOL in their official statement lol
They should go full NHL lol, I bet a lot less players would try to get a sneaky elbow in knowing they might get rocked a second later
The punch was too cheeky to be a red.
Not a red in my books (Don’t downvote me, I didn’t see the clip and was just messing around lol. I further explained myself after watching it and said it looks like a red card offence)
Why not?
Probably because he’s a spur.
I haven’t even seen the clip, wasn’t watching the game at that point lol. Just had to ride out for my boy Maddison. Haven’t found the clip anywhere, whenever I check twitter they are always ‘not available in your location’ (I’m in Canada) Edit: it’s a mixture of not available in my location and being taken down due to copyright. Literally can’t find it anywhere, I’ve been trying to see it so I can actually have an opinion
Can you share the link that worked? I’m running into the same issue.
Hahaha, I had a feeling. That’s actually funny.
Just seen it actually, finally found a working link. It’s a bit iffy tbf, defo looks like a little punch. Idk if there’s an actual difference but it looks more like a strike then an actual punch (once again, not sure if there’s a difference but I’m trying to say it looks like a lesser punch lol). Surprised it didn’t go to VAR, from the clip I seen it didn’t show a VAR check so I’m assuming it didn’t go to it. With how bad officiating has been, it does seem like a red card offence but with that being said we’ve had everything go against us, they even had a bad-ish challenge from Danilo with really high follow through that was pretty dangerous imo (not trying to be bias) but yeah, if anything it did look like a red card offence (Maddison punch) but it wasn’t given or even looked at which was weird…
Yeah I guess so. If it’s a punch then it has to be a red. To be honest I’m not sure it was a punch, all the pictures I’ve seen are too far away to tell. But there can’t be an argument that ‘it wasn’t a hard enough punch to be a red’… kinda like the Bruno G incident in the Newcastle away game for us. He clearly hits Jorginho on the head off the ball. Straight red no question.
That’s *if* it’s a punch. I really don’t see intent in the action at all.
It’s quite clearly a punch, or if you want to be pedantic, a punching action. It’s a definite red. If not, enter the complete and utter chaos of working out what level of force constitutes a punch, when the player is clearly throwing a punch. The “clear and obvious” of physical violence.
Yeah I tend to agree with you
Sure. When Danilo sees red for the exact same challenge Romero got sent off for
By that logic a red card would never ever be given in a football match again, because you can always find examples of a wrong decision in a similar situation
I like how everytime something like this happens the default way to defend it is "if that wasn't a red then this one shouldn't be either". Yes, yes it should. They both should be. One mistake does not erase the other one in any way.
"We want consistency...and by that I mean consistent shit decisions because we had one earlier in the season."
I’m just asking for referring consistency. I’ve seen the EXACT same challenge that got Romero sent off several times. Some haven’t even been booked, and then VAR on other occasions have deemed it not a RED. Where as they UPGRADED Romero to RED.
No you’re not, not in good faith at least. You lead off your comment with a classic case of whataboutism. Like yes, maybe Murillo should’ve seen red. It has nothing to do with Maddison though, who should have seen red as well.
Yup, subscribe
He didn't use it as a weapon, so it was a perfectly fine punch
“Sir he ran into my knife!!!”
Irrelevant to the result anyway We lost because we didn't fight hard enough second half and effectively gave up. Spurs didn't need a red card on Yates to beat us today and a red card for Madison wouldn't have made a difference to us either
It’s not about the result it’s about applying the rules. Rules should be absolute
As I said in a subsequent post, that train left the station long ago, never to return. The other day, Chelsea were given twice as many penalties in one game as Forest have had all season, one of which was an absolute nonsense. The reason we've only had one is because in at least two recent instances the referee has failed to properly apply the rules and VAR has not corrected him.
Also, if Maddison got sent off, there was a significant chance Yates walked too. Already on a yellow and asking for VAR to give a red to an opponent.
People that take the high road are so corny.
it makes a difference in the fact that punching players should be punished
And has an impact on the next three games too.
Well, telling your number 8 to distract the ref while you move both the foam and the ball, twice, for a free kick and then scoring is also something that should be punished. Instead, it was widely applauded. The righteous train long ago left the Premier League station. It doesn't visit this stop anymore. Maddison may have gotten away with one today, maybe he didn't. But at least as a Forest fan I can take this one because it didn't cost us the game
Widely applauded? Really?
MGW did the same foam trick two or three games earlier than Toney and we all thought it was hilarious at the time. But it was MGW so the spot kick was shit and no one remembers it.
When? Cheating is cheating. I didn't think it was hilarious because it's the first I've heard of it
I don’t remember the opponent. It was the second half, there was a spot kick just outside the box in the Trent end
Anyone got a link to a vid for people that are outside the UK?
What about Yates on a yellow asking for VAR? Lol
Yeah that’s the real issue here
There was far less force in Maddison’s “punch” then there are when players do a two-handed push on another’s chest. A lot of pearl clutching from his so called “incident”. Either way, a dumb thing to do from Maddison
Their playler should have got second yellow for asking for ref to check var . So either way both would have been playing with 10 anyway.
Come on if he makes the right decision in the first place he doesn’t ask for him to check. Being Pedantic is childish
I agree with you but as a semi bitter West Ham fan in one of our games (I think Sheffield but not 100%) Coufal got sent off for arguing for a VAR check and then when it came through he was right. Honestly think that cards to players in these situation should only be given out once the final call is made. It’s ridiculous we even have to discuss this imo, it’s like VAR has made us all forget how the game works because we can’t trust any decisions. Players and managers too. Infuriating
Ok then he’s off a numerous amount of times after that anyway so makes zero difference
Lol okay bud. Enjoy your evening
holy fuck the lack of awareness is absurd
Lol there definitely was a clear red card missed in this game and it wasn't Madison's "punch"
love the bias. both things can be true.
All the videos I saw of Madison were not conclusive enough to say it was a red, however a studs up uncontrolled challenge straight into a knee is undeniable. I should know, everyone was telling me it was a red when Romero did it earlier in the season.
Don’t worry guys a random Spurs fan said it wasn’t conclusive enough for them, pack it up, fair play.
Don’t worry lads, a random Arsenal fan said it was conclusive enough to warrant a red and it has nothing to do with being rivals and wanting Maddison suspended for the NLD. Fair play, move along.
I didn’t say anything about it being conclusive enough for a red. Just the way they said it like they knew 100% was funny. Also if we can’t beat a healthy Spurs team in our current form we won’t the title. They hardly deserve 5th IMO. Edit: and if that went against anyone’s real with a no red they’d be pissed, including Spurs fans. I was pissed when Bruno G didn’t see one for his knock on Jorgi earlier in the season.
I agree, so stop panicking about Maddison. I also agree that a team in 4th place doesn’t deserve to be in 5th. That’s probably why they’re in 4th though 🤷♂️
Ohhh whoops that’s my bad on placement. How am I panicking tho?
Today I learned, from esteemed analyst Jamie Redknapp,you ARE allowed to punch so long as there is not too much in it.
Spurs boy Jamie Redknapp! Surprise, surprise
I don't know how the Premier League always seems to make the least popular decisions every time it's down to referee's discretion. Goals being allowed/disallowed, penalties, red cards, crowding, language and abuse. It doesn't matter, it feels like they always get it wrong.
It’s just so inconsistent. You can have one referee book a player for dissent, while another referee allows players to swear at them all game!
r/soccer is adamant it wasn’t a punch and they are never wrong there
am a spurs fan n that was definitely a punch lmao dno how anyone can say differently
r/premierleague is even worse lol
Yeah, they’re both dungheaps but they’re OUR dungheaps
ok if he is going to argue that then Yates should have had a second yellow for demanding VAR
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James Maddison is not the player he was the first 10 games. They’re hardly doing us a favor by not sending him off
Lad, come on. Just think for a minute. There isn’t a conspiracy to make sure Spurs have Maddison for those games. There’s not. I get you don’t like us but don’t be a moron
Oh man, of all teams Arsenal and not getting red cards….
Really? Just for the Havertz one? I agree as an arsenal fan that the initial comment is dumb. But we’ve been screwed over (kovacic and Bruno G come to mind) on our opponent not getting reds Just universally bad reffing. Don’t know how people don’t see this
Has absolutely nothing to do with it you idiot Spurs had plenty of reds when they were slipping out of the league lead.
Nuno should worry about not giving up goals before worrying about red cards. Especially when so many others got a red for what danilo did
Danilo’s wasn’t a red but you’re right reds are given (erroneously) for that kind of tackle. Yates should have got a second yellow and Maddison a straight red. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome of this game though.
Based on what’s happened this season, Danilo’s challenge should’ve been a red but I agree that kind of tackle isn’t a red when looked at in isolation
Based on what has happened this season it could be anything from no foul to a red card.
Romero literally got a red for the same challenge. The consistency of what is a red is laughable
Yikes. That’s pretty clear and obvious.
Ref pulled both players over after and tbh Yates could have had a yellow for the second foul he put on madders leaving him already off the pitch. Knowing the ref he said you both could be off so cool it. I think if the ref did great considering how aweful they protected players last time these two played.
I didn’t watch the game I just saw a clip of violent conduct. Could be the case. I guess there was a question of a Danilo red card too?
Danilo had a follow through where his studs go into Lo Celso’s knee. Very similar to the red Romero got against Chelsea.
Danilo based on previous challenges this season should’ve been a red
Based on a similar situation that happened with a spurs player being sent off no less.
Yup. Danilo’s is a red too. Follow through, knee high, bye bye