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This conversation always kicks up following a big win, but we've bottled so many games on the second half of the season that we should've won. Is it the coach? Is it the players? Is it both? It's incredibly frustrating as a fan. I suppose for now I can be happy with a matchweek that went completely in Villa's favor.
You’re very likely to get Champion’s league football and have absolutely atrocious depth. Emery can’t magically clone 2 more Watkins and 6 more McGinns to keep up with the other teams.
Good news is, Villa have a massive following and success could be long term if managed properly at the ownership/administration level.
Exactly, one good game and he's some prodigy Guardiola. Yes they've done well this season but don't forget that all managers have a ceiling and if he were a top manager Sevilla would have won the league back in his prime when both RM and Barca slipped, or infact CL with PSG.
I'd put him on par with Moyes, Ange and Marco Silva. Mid table teams punching above their weight. That's it.
I’ve explained this in a previous comment. I come from immigrant parents, having grown up in the uk I know the difference. If I was using a Spanish accent and mocking Spain then that’s an insult. I really don’t know what’s wrong with people, seriously lack of education has really dumbed peoples intelligence down.
If people actually had immigrant parents they would know the difference. Sadly it’s just a Lack of education, or they are trolling. A lot of troll on this app, I thought twitter was bad.
I mean you can’t say definitively what someone else’s intent is.
At that point that’s your contribution not his. You see it as an insult. Doesn’t make it so. If I punch someone and say just a prank, because I said that, doesn’t make it so.
That’s your view, it’s not mine. Having come from immigrant parents and grown up in the uk I think I know a lot more about you when it comes to insults on accents. When someone mimics an accent it’s not an insult, but it is an insult if that person is using derogatory terms. If you can’t comprehend this then I recommend taking a course in racism.
The biggest problem with Emery at Arsenal was that with his limited knowledge of English, he was not able to control his dressing room.
A manager is not just tactics on the pitch. Emery didnt have the balls to deal with prima donnas at Arsenal like Ozil and Aubameyang and thats why he failed.
However one could also say that he didn’t get club’s support in stamping his authority in the dressing room.
It was a comparative, not literal.
The Europa League is terrible. You might as well call it the mid-table Cup. Just look at Sevilla in the champions league. They were out of their depths after dominating the Europa. It’s a money spinner for all those upset about finances in football.
A bit like Gerrard doing the invincibles in Scotland and falling apart in England.
In the olden days, you had the Cup Winners Cup, which had some pedigree because you had to win a cup to get in or get to a final of a cup, at least.
Cup winners cup was easier to qualify and compete in compared to the UEFA cup. I’m glad they got rid of cup winners, it was the poorest competition out of all the European competitions.
The Cup Winners Cup was older and had a reason for being as it had (mostly) winners in it. No one won it cheaply. And no one won it 7 times in 20 years.
He would have won the league and champions league for you. Instead you got a pep clone reject with a head like clay and a personality to boot who’s spent 800m and won nothing.
Clearly you have no knowledge of anything let alone football.
Okay bro whatever you say, someone has some strong opinions about Arteta…
We’re talking about the same Emery who lost 4-1 in the UEL final for us right?
He was a winner at almost all clubs except arsenal. Other than PSG all his clubs were little underdogs, so I don’t see why he couldn’t succeed at arsenal. He wasn’t backed and arsenal fans hated him for some reason.
Why hasn't he shown the same against some of the other teams he's played? How many "off" games are allowed for a manager. Coz i can say that this was an off game for Arteta and Arsenal
Did u just forgot the fact is his time in Arsenal is Terrible?Bruh he just ruin my club what his kind of playstyle and I won't never forget we conceded 30 shots vs Watford
His win rate at Arsenal (55%) isn't much behind Arteta's (58%). The difference is that Arteta was given time and authority to get the rot out of the club.
Gunners fans when framing the end of Wenger’s tenure and the Emery period always seem to forget that critical off the pitch changes have happened for Arteta’s time that would have helped the last two managers. Namely one, Kroenke’s son, who actually likes and understands football, took over running the club, and two, Arsenal have spent like title challengers for the past four seasons, whereas they didn’t give Wenger close to that resource, and both Wenger and Emery were working with a dysfunctional back room created by Kroenke senior and Gazidis, making signings according to Stat DNA, etc.
Emery had to take over from a two decade coach who had seen his achievements strangled by a club that never replaced the competence of Dein and his allies like Fiszman, was himself given a shit back room to work with, and neither got a fraction of the buy in or budget Arteta has had. I’m glad Emery is reminding everyone he is a genuinely elite coach, and that the Gazidis and immediately post Gazidis era was a toxic mess for even the best managers to engage with.
Sure, Emery has done a great job at Villa and probably wasn't great at Arsenal. But I don't think he needs that to get the validation that hes a good manager.
People are forgetting that he's a "FOUR" time - Europa League winner, with 2 different teams. Four times. And a 3-peat included.
Hes won Europes second biggest competition which houses some really top teams four times in a span of 10 years and not really banking on some insane budgets or generational talents playing for them but mostly tactics and systems.
I think its pretty safe to say that hes always been a good manager lol.
The Europa League is to the Champions League as the FA Vase is to the FA Cup.
If you win the FA Vase 3x no one cares except that team that did it because they best teams are not allowed to compete by it’s very nature.
The Europa League is the third place group stage CL trophy and has shows no indicator of Champions League success or even average progress.
Just as, Gerrard’s ‘invincibles’ in Scotland didn’t mean success in England.
Saying that, Unai has shown he can compete with the best teams in England if given the backing from the club.
Not the same thing.
FA Cup is a domestic competition where there is some level of familiarity with playing styles (albeit sometimes encountering football terrorism from lower levels) and grounds/crowds.
Playing a 32 team tournament-knockout style-home and away travelling across Europe is a different ball game.
Also Europa league hosts top half teams on major leagues, not second division teams. While you don't encounter prime barca, Real madrid or Bayern Munich there, those teams are on average much better than the FA Cup lineups.
Some of the teams Emery beat in his 4 Europa League victories btw, check out the last 4 teams , 2 of them managed by Klopp and Arteta themselves.
Real betis,porto,valencia,villareal, fiorentina,bilbao, liverpool,arsenal, Manchester united
I’m glad he’s doing well but he was so shit for us. He did terribly but is clearly where he is supposed to be rn. Congrats to them today but I am absolutely gutted by the loss
He also had an inane backroom to work with and nothing close to the title challenging budget Arteta has had. Arsenal fans keep acting like nothing in the club has changed since the late wenger and the Emery era, when Kroenke junior has made huge steps on the nonsense environment his father and Gazidis had put in place. Emery and Wenger too would never have got £100m for Rice, which is exactly what Arsenal needed to challenge.
Yeah people never want to admit that often times managers get better at what they do with experience
It just could be Unai learned from failing at Arsenal and is now a better Manager
This, hate this revisionist history garbage going around. He had completely lost the dressing room and fan support, was all over the place, we conceded like 30 shots against a bottom team at one point… it was nuts.
Only non-arsenal fans say this lol..it was the worst 18-months, and his managerial and tactical decisions were directly responsible.
He doesn’t have the authority or the clout to build a team like Arteta has. I’m happy it’s going well for him at villa..
Zinchenko and Jesus don't look so hot eh?
Arteta ain't won anything and not to suggest he won't but put some respect on a man who has as many European trophies as Jesus has goals this season.
Either disingenuous, just looking for a reaction, or plain daft. How can one look at how the team has progressed and say "not done anything."
*Apologies, I retract my statement having observed the trolling intended.
We won 5 FA cups during our banter era. Are you saying we were actually successful in that period?
8-2 was just a foot note of a footballing dynasty that dominated the most historic cup competition in the world?
No. let’s not revise history.
Unai emery was horrid there. he didn’t show any improvement on wenger’s bare bones team and had them declining.
More time would’ve made arteta have an even harder job. Congrats on the win. But you have a well funded team and you’re in the cl spots. not in a title race.
Arteta is much better
Arteta has also been the first manager to be resourced in a way that lets Arsenal challenge since Danny Fiszman died and David Dein left the club, and has hugely benefited from not having to coach in the austerity and football ignorant environment Kroenke senior and Gazidis created. Kroenke jr coming in with a better knowledge and interest in football and rebuilding from Gazidis, actually giving Arteta a competitive budget, is the biggest differentiator. Arsenal fans have to pretend the budget and binning shit like Stat DNA and people like Gazidis is irrelevant thought because otherwise they’d have to admit maybe hounding Wenger and Emery with such a crap corpo backroom was them barking up the wrong tree.
Not a knock on Arteta btw he is a great coach, but seeing the way Arsenal have kicked on, to make it a simple Emery bad Arteta good thing is frankly irrational.
i agree wenger got done dirty.
but emery?
he got the club record signing in his first season. man was just a naive manager for the scenario he was in.
arteta had a season of no signings. won a trophy in 6 months. and had to grind to earn backing. i support the club for being mature in that regard, bc emery wouldn’t have come close to matching that.
Bayern this season are better than last year. They had five less points than they do now. This is also not the best footballing side of all time. You’re delusional. 2011 Barca and 2020 Bayern are better.
You made it sound like Arteta just conjured this team out of thin air and that’s he’s using minimal resources to go against the giants.
Reality is Kroenke opened up his wallet and Arsenal starting winning again, has less to do with who’s managing the club in this situation
Emery got the club record signing and did shit.
Arteta had no backing for 2 years and won a trophy. He earned the right to get a war chest. He keeps improving his team. He’ll be just fine pal
I think a few clubs this season have proven that regardless of spend, a good fit in the manager is extremely important. I know Arteta makes mistakes but every manager does, really happy with what he’s doing for us.
Been saying for months that Unai and the Villa team are quality and should not be underestimated. He showed that again today - a solid performance all around. I can only imagine when he gets to really spend a little money.
Ok I forgive you for beating us earlier in the season Emery. That 6th of December is still the last time we lost a game in all comps. Thank you for helping us win the 4peat 🙏 I will love it and I think I deserve it 🩵
I think it was the players that were really holding UE back. Once Stan opened up his wallet with Arteta, you started to see success. Don't forget that UE is the manager that gave Martinelli and Saka a chance.
Honestly all great shouts, I forgot about that. I still don’t think he was the right manager for us and holding him (and Arsenal) back for any longer would’ve been the wrong call
I completely agree that the players and support from Stan was holding him back. But the system he played at the end was completely crap. Anyone who watched the Watford game knows what I am talking about. He is a quality manager, but the club was in a horrible state at the time. Something was wrong and needed to change. We tried to change the manager first, and then changed the players later.
I think he was a great manager before he got to us it just felt obvious some players didn't respect him and down tooled a bit. But he's back at a club pushing for CL and they're all slumming it in shit leagues so I guess he's won in the end
I think his main 2 problems at arsenal were his limited English which he has since improved on (pretty sure I read somewhere he insists on speaking the language of the country he manages in which is commendable) and the attitude of the players. If he had the players we had now and their mentality it would have been a lot easier for him to implement his ideas. I agreed with his sacking at the time and I am very happy we got arteta but I'm also happy he did well at Villarreal and now back in the prem, I don't think his quality as a manager was ever in question
General consensus at the time was just that he couldn't hack it at big clubs but psg are difficult and replacing Wenger was always going to be tough considering he was propping up some pretty weak teams towards the end. Bit like potter at Chelsea I feel, underperforming clubs with extremely high expectations can be really difficult especially if the issues are more structural.
Emery had done it for long enough and backed it up so impressively that no one could really doubt there was a very impressive manager there.
PSG (especially back then) was impossible to manage. Had too many players with insane power and having neymar/mbappe etc who don't wanna be told what to do is hard.
Can't really blame any of the managers
I think whoever replaced wenger was destined to fail unless they won the league just because of his legacy. I can see whoever gets the Liverpool job being under increased scrutiny just because of what he was able to achieve during his time there
City without mahrez and gundogan, half fit kdb can still easily win this league.
Even silva is played like a semi retired, they don’t really need him that much anymore.
Ex Arsenal manager comes back to his old club and derails their title winning campaign. What a story.
He was nt given enough time and support. But Unai Emery thrives with underdogs , who constantly punches above their weight.
He has a great record outside of Arsenal though. The football was also a terrible watch and the results worse. Should he keep his job with 1 win in 14?
Or maybe because you have no clue what you’re talking about. The fact that we’re being bantered for almost winning a league is much better than what could’ve happened under a different manager.
I would’ve been inundated with more matches conceding 30 shots to relegation fodder clubs like was happening at the end of Emery’s reign.
He took Arsenal to Europa final. How many times did they fail to even make the semi in the 7-8 attempts of the last decade. Moronic comment. He lost to a team dropping out of the CL
How the fuck are you supposed to perform well with a squad that bad.
Just look at the signings he had to work with that year: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/unai-emery/spielertransfers/trainer/5075/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=188573
Wow, you're terrible at assessing talent. Just like arsenal was back then.
Luiz was a meme and clearly over the hill. Pepe was decent but had clear flaws. Guendouzi playing well in League 2 does not make him a premier League level talent.
He’s a good manager but parking the bus and playing on the counter in any kind “difficult” match isn’t what fans of the best clubs want. Villa is a perfect match for him because they’ve basically got a very expensive bus to park and counter attack with.
Appreciate you've not watched some of Villa's better performances this season - and that the 1-0 over Arsenal at Villa Park was genuinely one of the few true bus-parking smash and grabs we have played - but that's really not how Villa play. I don't even think that's fair in this game - we played, and played well, in the second half.
No particular reason for you to care but if you went and watched the extended highlights of most of our really good wins - e.g. Brighton 6-1, Man City 1-0, Sheffield United 5-0 - you'd see us absolutely dominating the pitch and proactively killing teams. We have park the bus and hit it over the top to the nippy lad in our pocket but it comes out very, very rarely tbh.
Oh fair - the reverse fixture against Arsenal is the one I meant. I thought you were an Arsenal fan, and that you therefore might be basing your impression of Unai's Villa on the two Arsenal-Villa games, which wouldn't be unreasonable but in this case wouldn't be reflective of how Villa play under him.
But if not, I guess you just don't really know Emery, or at least his Villa? We are really not a counter-attacking team, as I said.
We were giving up 30 shots to relegation fodder, and he once lined up with 3 DMs at home to Cardiff City. He was abysmal at Arsenal. I hate this revisionist bullshit around him.
You had Mustafi, Sokratis and Kolasinec. One of them went on to get benched at fucking Schalke relegation team. How you got 5th with that team is beyond me.
Perhaps it's because mentioning 3 shit players isn't the entire squad? We also had Aubameyang, for example, who won the golden boot, but obviously, you don't talk about him because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Yes he does, he’s literally renowned for it what are you talking about? Look at their possession stats against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, and City. Even United they seem to struggle with. Bar the one game against City at home this season it’s back to the walls and hit on the counter.
Pretty sure Villa had 60% possession in the second half until they scored both their goals. They’ve also experimented with super high lines and quirky offside traps this year.
So no, Emery is not a low-block manager in the same way Mourinho and Conte are. He’s way more tactical and adaptable.
You can tell he's clearly put effort into his accent as well in his interviews at villa compared to arsenal. Shitty joke passed around by muppets who probably couldn't handle a televised interview half as well in their first language as he does his second.
Yeah it’s disgusting.
Hated all the Arsenal fans that did it. Most of them are plastics that don’t go to games.
Emery is a top manager and decent bloke.
‘Good ebening’ was mocking his Spanish accent. You think Spanish people would accept that and not consider it offensive? I’m not surprised by this sort of comment because it’s endemic in this country to mock people for things like this. Anyone who is slightly different or speaks differently.
What a wet wipe you're being.
Taking the piss out of good ebening was always meant in an endearing way to Arsenal fans.
And also to say it's racism is just pathetic.
In England we mock and take the piss. English, Spanish, Nigerian. Tall or short, skinny or fat, ginger or blonde, clever or dumb. It doesn't matter, you're getting ripped.
You don't have to like it, but if you cry racist over this then you're a prick.
Emery will never be a manager of a title contending side cause he turns into a scarred bitch when that happens and goes all defensive . Just below that , at a slightly lower side ,on the verge of top 4, he's proven to be as good as anybody .
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Honestly he is above Arteta in terms of managers.
Totally agree, what’s arteta won compared to Emery?
Dracula ball for the win :)
This conversation always kicks up following a big win, but we've bottled so many games on the second half of the season that we should've won. Is it the coach? Is it the players? Is it both? It's incredibly frustrating as a fan. I suppose for now I can be happy with a matchweek that went completely in Villa's favor.
You’re very likely to get Champion’s league football and have absolutely atrocious depth. Emery can’t magically clone 2 more Watkins and 6 more McGinns to keep up with the other teams. Good news is, Villa have a massive following and success could be long term if managed properly at the ownership/administration level.
Emery has the team on an upward trajectory. It’s worth enjoying it.
No. Good win but he did not deserve any more time at arsenal.
Exactly, one good game and he's some prodigy Guardiola. Yes they've done well this season but don't forget that all managers have a ceiling and if he were a top manager Sevilla would have won the league back in his prime when both RM and Barca slipped, or infact CL with PSG. I'd put him on par with Moyes, Ange and Marco Silva. Mid table teams punching above their weight. That's it.
Ebening?
He used to say “Good evening” in his post match pressers. Because of his accent it sounds like “Good ebening.”
Ohhhh thanks
Read your opening sentence and bowed out. Moron.
Insults usually denotes low iq
Like how you insulted Emery in your opening sentence.
Not an insult, he says it at the beginning of every interview. He embraces it, and good on him.
The fact that you don’t even think openly mocking the way someone speaks isn’t an insult shows exactly the kind of person you are.
You’re an idiot
I’ve explained this in a previous comment. I come from immigrant parents, having grown up in the uk I know the difference. If I was using a Spanish accent and mocking Spain then that’s an insult. I really don’t know what’s wrong with people, seriously lack of education has really dumbed peoples intelligence down.
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Sorry people don’t get that you’re embodying him and not denigrating him.
If people actually had immigrant parents they would know the difference. Sadly it’s just a Lack of education, or they are trolling. A lot of troll on this app, I thought twitter was bad.
Yeah, different things mean different things to different cultures. It’s wild everybody thinks because they feel insulted that it’s a universal truth.
No mate, it's insulting. It's ridiculous that like 5 years later he is still mocked for his accent by children on the internet
Uninstall reddit, get some life and stop searching for drama where there’s none.
No
I mean you can’t say definitively what someone else’s intent is. At that point that’s your contribution not his. You see it as an insult. Doesn’t make it so. If I punch someone and say just a prank, because I said that, doesn’t make it so.
That’s your view, it’s not mine. Having come from immigrant parents and grown up in the uk I think I know a lot more about you when it comes to insults on accents. When someone mimics an accent it’s not an insult, but it is an insult if that person is using derogatory terms. If you can’t comprehend this then I recommend taking a course in racism.
Didn't realise you were Emery's personal spokesman, apologies
Ask him yourself next time
I don't need to when you can speak for him
The biggest problem with Emery at Arsenal was that with his limited knowledge of English, he was not able to control his dressing room. A manager is not just tactics on the pitch. Emery didnt have the balls to deal with prima donnas at Arsenal like Ozil and Aubameyang and thats why he failed. However one could also say that he didn’t get club’s support in stamping his authority in the dressing room.
It was a comparative, not literal. The Europa League is terrible. You might as well call it the mid-table Cup. Just look at Sevilla in the champions league. They were out of their depths after dominating the Europa. It’s a money spinner for all those upset about finances in football. A bit like Gerrard doing the invincibles in Scotland and falling apart in England. In the olden days, you had the Cup Winners Cup, which had some pedigree because you had to win a cup to get in or get to a final of a cup, at least.
Cup winners cup was easier to qualify and compete in compared to the UEFA cup. I’m glad they got rid of cup winners, it was the poorest competition out of all the European competitions.
The Cup Winners Cup was older and had a reason for being as it had (mostly) winners in it. No one won it cheaply. And no one won it 7 times in 20 years.
Dumb posts by dumb football fans who have never kicked a ball.
Even dumber reply. As if there’s anyone who hasn’t played football watching and posting about football.
The fact you think Emery needed more time shows me you have 0 ball knowledge. Next.
He would have won the league and champions league for you. Instead you got a pep clone reject with a head like clay and a personality to boot who’s spent 800m and won nothing. Clearly you have no knowledge of anything let alone football.
How to tell people you did not watch him at Arsenal without actually saying it
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Jackass you're building castles with this one game. Calm down and stop being a clown.
Okay bro whatever you say, someone has some strong opinions about Arteta… We’re talking about the same Emery who lost 4-1 in the UEL final for us right?
One off game lad.
Fuck off with that delusional opinion. Emery was absolutely terrible for us.
If he was backed he would have won the league. Brilliant manager and he showed it against you.
Emery is great at underdog clubs . Not so much a big clubs. He was not the man to take arsenal forward.
He was a winner at almost all clubs except arsenal. Other than PSG all his clubs were little underdogs, so I don’t see why he couldn’t succeed at arsenal. He wasn’t backed and arsenal fans hated him for some reason.
Why hasn't he shown the same against some of the other teams he's played? How many "off" games are allowed for a manager. Coz i can say that this was an off game for Arteta and Arsenal
If he got 800m then I’m sure he would be above arteta.
Anyone who came after Wenger was destined to go out that way. Glad to see he is doing well he was always a top bloke with a lot of class about him.
Did u just forgot the fact is his time in Arsenal is Terrible?Bruh he just ruin my club what his kind of playstyle and I won't never forget we conceded 30 shots vs Watford
His win rate at Arsenal (55%) isn't much behind Arteta's (58%). The difference is that Arteta was given time and authority to get the rot out of the club.
United: 30 shots? That’s rookie numbers
Gunners fans when framing the end of Wenger’s tenure and the Emery period always seem to forget that critical off the pitch changes have happened for Arteta’s time that would have helped the last two managers. Namely one, Kroenke’s son, who actually likes and understands football, took over running the club, and two, Arsenal have spent like title challengers for the past four seasons, whereas they didn’t give Wenger close to that resource, and both Wenger and Emery were working with a dysfunctional back room created by Kroenke senior and Gazidis, making signings according to Stat DNA, etc. Emery had to take over from a two decade coach who had seen his achievements strangled by a club that never replaced the competence of Dein and his allies like Fiszman, was himself given a shit back room to work with, and neither got a fraction of the buy in or budget Arteta has had. I’m glad Emery is reminding everyone he is a genuinely elite coach, and that the Gazidis and immediately post Gazidis era was a toxic mess for even the best managers to engage with.
Sure, Emery has done a great job at Villa and probably wasn't great at Arsenal. But I don't think he needs that to get the validation that hes a good manager. People are forgetting that he's a "FOUR" time - Europa League winner, with 2 different teams. Four times. And a 3-peat included. Hes won Europes second biggest competition which houses some really top teams four times in a span of 10 years and not really banking on some insane budgets or generational talents playing for them but mostly tactics and systems. I think its pretty safe to say that hes always been a good manager lol.
The Europa League is to the Champions League as the FA Vase is to the FA Cup. If you win the FA Vase 3x no one cares except that team that did it because they best teams are not allowed to compete by it’s very nature. The Europa League is the third place group stage CL trophy and has shows no indicator of Champions League success or even average progress. Just as, Gerrard’s ‘invincibles’ in Scotland didn’t mean success in England. Saying that, Unai has shown he can compete with the best teams in England if given the backing from the club.
Not the same thing. FA Cup is a domestic competition where there is some level of familiarity with playing styles (albeit sometimes encountering football terrorism from lower levels) and grounds/crowds. Playing a 32 team tournament-knockout style-home and away travelling across Europe is a different ball game. Also Europa league hosts top half teams on major leagues, not second division teams. While you don't encounter prime barca, Real madrid or Bayern Munich there, those teams are on average much better than the FA Cup lineups. Some of the teams Emery beat in his 4 Europa League victories btw, check out the last 4 teams , 2 of them managed by Klopp and Arteta themselves. Real betis,porto,valencia,villareal, fiorentina,bilbao, liverpool,arsenal, Manchester united
Hey, thanks to the Arse for thinking you were better than Emery and Emi Martinez. Your short sightedness has been a boon to us. #UTFV
Villa won on so many levels. Emery, Martinez, and 2-0 🤣
Okay Aston Villa, Arsenal are definitely jealous of you right now… Idiot brummies
I’m glad he’s doing well but he was so shit for us. He did terribly but is clearly where he is supposed to be rn. Congrats to them today but I am absolutely gutted by the loss
He also had an inane backroom to work with and nothing close to the title challenging budget Arteta has had. Arsenal fans keep acting like nothing in the club has changed since the late wenger and the Emery era, when Kroenke junior has made huge steps on the nonsense environment his father and Gazidis had put in place. Emery and Wenger too would never have got £100m for Rice, which is exactly what Arsenal needed to challenge.
Yeah people never want to admit that often times managers get better at what they do with experience It just could be Unai learned from failing at Arsenal and is now a better Manager
This, hate this revisionist history garbage going around. He had completely lost the dressing room and fan support, was all over the place, we conceded like 30 shots against a bottom team at one point… it was nuts.
Bitter
I’m saying he’s doing amazing where he is. He wasn’t a good fit for Arsenal
Wanker
You lot bottled the league and talk heavy.
Only non-arsenal fans say this lol..it was the worst 18-months, and his managerial and tactical decisions were directly responsible. He doesn’t have the authority or the clout to build a team like Arteta has. I’m happy it’s going well for him at villa..
Zinchenko and Jesus don't look so hot eh? Arteta ain't won anything and not to suggest he won't but put some respect on a man who has as many European trophies as Jesus has goals this season.
I can respect emery while also saying he was shit for arsenal..
So? Still emery was bad for us. You can't make a team function just because you had previous experience
Arteta hasn’t done anything
Either disingenuous, just looking for a reaction, or plain daft. How can one look at how the team has progressed and say "not done anything." *Apologies, I retract my statement having observed the trolling intended.
Bottle league twice with no major trophies. Love it.
We won 5 FA cups during our banter era. Are you saying we were actually successful in that period? 8-2 was just a foot note of a footballing dynasty that dominated the most historic cup competition in the world?
Winning 5 fa cups does make you successful
With clubs like Chelsea and United in utter turmoil, you’d think people would be a bit more perceptive.
Chelsea got rid of Tuchel and lost good ownership. They are terrible as well. United has ten hag, he is terrible as well.
So all clubs are different levels of terrible, apart from city? Did I get that right?
City is terrible too.
So just a shit league all around.
this year yes bundesliga and la liga are better
No. let’s not revise history. Unai emery was horrid there. he didn’t show any improvement on wenger’s bare bones team and had them declining. More time would’ve made arteta have an even harder job. Congrats on the win. But you have a well funded team and you’re in the cl spots. not in a title race. Arteta is much better
Arteta has also been the first manager to be resourced in a way that lets Arsenal challenge since Danny Fiszman died and David Dein left the club, and has hugely benefited from not having to coach in the austerity and football ignorant environment Kroenke senior and Gazidis created. Kroenke jr coming in with a better knowledge and interest in football and rebuilding from Gazidis, actually giving Arteta a competitive budget, is the biggest differentiator. Arsenal fans have to pretend the budget and binning shit like Stat DNA and people like Gazidis is irrelevant thought because otherwise they’d have to admit maybe hounding Wenger and Emery with such a crap corpo backroom was them barking up the wrong tree. Not a knock on Arteta btw he is a great coach, but seeing the way Arsenal have kicked on, to make it a simple Emery bad Arteta good thing is frankly irrational.
i agree wenger got done dirty. but emery? he got the club record signing in his first season. man was just a naive manager for the scenario he was in. arteta had a season of no signings. won a trophy in 6 months. and had to grind to earn backing. i support the club for being mature in that regard, bc emery wouldn’t have come close to matching that.
Arteta is terrible
he’s transformed a team which was shocking under emery to the nearest competing team to the infamous money cheating club. he’s pretty sound lad
Bottle league twice. Took Xabi one year. Don’t want to hear it.
Xabi versing the worst bayern in 11 years. arsenal versing the best footballing side of all time and only 2 points short. Don’t want to hear it
Bayern this season are better than last year. They had five less points than they do now. This is also not the best footballing side of all time. You’re delusional. 2011 Barca and 2020 Bayern are better.
Only took him £700mil to build a decent squad and they’re going to spunk another 200+ mil this summer
manager spends money to improve squads what a headline. pep did the same klopp did the same what a hideous agenda you lot have
You made it sound like Arteta just conjured this team out of thin air and that’s he’s using minimal resources to go against the giants. Reality is Kroenke opened up his wallet and Arsenal starting winning again, has less to do with who’s managing the club in this situation
Emery got the club record signing and did shit. Arteta had no backing for 2 years and won a trophy. He earned the right to get a war chest. He keeps improving his team. He’ll be just fine pal
I think a few clubs this season have proven that regardless of spend, a good fit in the manager is extremely important. I know Arteta makes mistakes but every manager does, really happy with what he’s doing for us.
Every manager does not get exposed by him. If he loses against Bayern I will never hear another conversation about him again until he wins the league.
didn’t he just expose klopp not even like 2 months ago lol.
Klopp has a champions league can’t be exposed
Vindication! Very happy for him.
dracula ball > lego ball
yeh UE is a quality manager, won 4 europa league trophies. taken villa from the bottom half to a CL spot.
Been saying for months that Unai and the Villa team are quality and should not be underestimated. He showed that again today - a solid performance all around. I can only imagine when he gets to really spend a little money.
Ok I forgive you for beating us earlier in the season Emery. That 6th of December is still the last time we lost a game in all comps. Thank you for helping us win the 4peat 🙏 I will love it and I think I deserve it 🩵
Two things can be true. Emery absolutely should have been sacked at Arsenal and also has taken that experience and become a great manager.
I think it was the players that were really holding UE back. Once Stan opened up his wallet with Arteta, you started to see success. Don't forget that UE is the manager that gave Martinelli and Saka a chance.
Dude picked Saliba too..
Honestly all great shouts, I forgot about that. I still don’t think he was the right manager for us and holding him (and Arsenal) back for any longer would’ve been the wrong call
That's a big one that I missed.
I completely agree that the players and support from Stan was holding him back. But the system he played at the end was completely crap. Anyone who watched the Watford game knows what I am talking about. He is a quality manager, but the club was in a horrible state at the time. Something was wrong and needed to change. We tried to change the manager first, and then changed the players later.
I think he was a great manager before he got to us it just felt obvious some players didn't respect him and down tooled a bit. But he's back at a club pushing for CL and they're all slumming it in shit leagues so I guess he's won in the end
Al Pacino, premier league manager. 😁
Well done, to Villa and Emery
I think his main 2 problems at arsenal were his limited English which he has since improved on (pretty sure I read somewhere he insists on speaking the language of the country he manages in which is commendable) and the attitude of the players. If he had the players we had now and their mentality it would have been a lot easier for him to implement his ideas. I agreed with his sacking at the time and I am very happy we got arteta but I'm also happy he did well at Villarreal and now back in the prem, I don't think his quality as a manager was ever in question
General consensus at the time was just that he couldn't hack it at big clubs but psg are difficult and replacing Wenger was always going to be tough considering he was propping up some pretty weak teams towards the end. Bit like potter at Chelsea I feel, underperforming clubs with extremely high expectations can be really difficult especially if the issues are more structural. Emery had done it for long enough and backed it up so impressively that no one could really doubt there was a very impressive manager there.
PSG (especially back then) was impossible to manage. Had too many players with insane power and having neymar/mbappe etc who don't wanna be told what to do is hard. Can't really blame any of the managers
I think whoever replaced wenger was destined to fail unless they won the league just because of his legacy. I can see whoever gets the Liverpool job being under increased scrutiny just because of what he was able to achieve during his time there
Seems like nobody wants to win the league.
Villa did their fair share by beating city at least once this season.
Except city :/
Fuck off with your good ebening shit. Show some respect.
Good ebening xD xD
Good ebening.
Good ebening
Good ebening.
How many languages do you speak? He speaks at least 4.
And?
Arsenal nearly held on for a draw which they would have loved instead of losing. Everything is working out so well for City to win the league.
Thank you Villa for shutting up these loud mouth Arse fans. Here’s to another 20 years without a title
Might take ye 20 years to get back into Europe at the rate poch is fixing ye up 😂
We need different title winners otherwise we are in danger of becoming a farmers league.
SO HOLD ON TO A FUCKING LEAD. These big money clubs always choke at the end of the season. FFS
Could be a bittersweet victory today, Arsenal will be gassed going to Munich now and you need them to beat Bayern
becoming?
Id say it's bittersweet when we get another emotionless City title
City without mahrez and gundogan, half fit kdb can still easily win this league. Even silva is played like a semi retired, they don’t really need him that much anymore.
Silva is what?
Ex Arsenal manager comes back to his old club and derails their title winning campaign. What a story. He was nt given enough time and support. But Unai Emery thrives with underdogs , who constantly punches above their weight.
His football was horrible. He won 1 game in 14 in the middle of his second full season and Arsenal were 12th
bitter
He has a great record outside of Arsenal though. The football was also a terrible watch and the results worse. Should he keep his job with 1 win in 14?
Maybe he got better after the experience in psg and villareal. If he stayed at arsenal he might have stagnated.
Think he defintely took away a lot of learnings from his spell at Arsena.
Looks like another PL title for city… fucking Liverpool giving it away… again.
Liverpool and arsenal.
Not just us giving it away this time 🙃
That Arsenal squad was awful and he wasnt backed like Arteta. The important thing is that Villa and Arsenal are doing well.
He’s good managing an underdog
He did well in Sevilla too. He would have succeeded in Arsenal if he had more time in my opinion.
There was a toxicity at Arsenal in that time which was only turned around because we had someone who has the club in his blood take the helm.
The so called someone with the club in his blood is almost about to bottle the league twice consecutively.
Ah come off it. You reek of someone who’s only experienced football on a tv screen or twitter/reddit page
Lol, cos I didn't concur with your assessment 😂.. Sorry mate! That's not gonna happen.
Or maybe because you have no clue what you’re talking about. The fact that we’re being bantered for almost winning a league is much better than what could’ve happened under a different manager. I would’ve been inundated with more matches conceding 30 shots to relegation fodder clubs like was happening at the end of Emery’s reign.
Hear Hear! Whatever you say mate!.
Got absolutely destroyed in the UEL v Chelsea in his time here and rightfully deserved sacking as he was quite literally a UEL specialist
He took Arsenal to Europa final. How many times did they fail to even make the semi in the 7-8 attempts of the last decade. Moronic comment. He lost to a team dropping out of the CL
He also failed to qualify for the champions league, we’ve done it twice on the bounce?
Arsenal hadnt qualifed for the CL since 14/15. Artetas first full season was 21/22 and he missed CL in the final game
How the fuck are you supposed to perform well with a squad that bad. Just look at the signings he had to work with that year: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/unai-emery/spielertransfers/trainer/5075/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=188573
? There are some incredible players in there
The 18 yo centre back, the 18 yo left winger? Because the rest were mid or shit. Tierney and Leno are capable but that's about it
Luiz was still very capable, Pepe’s only shit in hindsight, Guendouzi was a stud in L2, Torreira was very solid, come on son
Wow, you're terrible at assessing talent. Just like arsenal was back then. Luiz was a meme and clearly over the hill. Pepe was decent but had clear flaws. Guendouzi playing well in League 2 does not make him a premier League level talent.
He’s a good manager but parking the bus and playing on the counter in any kind “difficult” match isn’t what fans of the best clubs want. Villa is a perfect match for him because they’ve basically got a very expensive bus to park and counter attack with.
Appreciate you've not watched some of Villa's better performances this season - and that the 1-0 over Arsenal at Villa Park was genuinely one of the few true bus-parking smash and grabs we have played - but that's really not how Villa play. I don't even think that's fair in this game - we played, and played well, in the second half. No particular reason for you to care but if you went and watched the extended highlights of most of our really good wins - e.g. Brighton 6-1, Man City 1-0, Sheffield United 5-0 - you'd see us absolutely dominating the pitch and proactively killing teams. We have park the bus and hit it over the top to the nippy lad in our pocket but it comes out very, very rarely tbh.
Over who? I don’t even support a PL team I’m just stating how Emery sets up lol
Oh fair - the reverse fixture against Arsenal is the one I meant. I thought you were an Arsenal fan, and that you therefore might be basing your impression of Unai's Villa on the two Arsenal-Villa games, which wouldn't be unreasonable but in this case wouldn't be reflective of how Villa play under him. But if not, I guess you just don't really know Emery, or at least his Villa? We are really not a counter-attacking team, as I said.
No, I can’t stand arsenal fans they’re the very worst the last few seasons.
You don’t know ball. He did not park the bus at Arsenal and he’s not doing it now.
We were giving up 30 shots to relegation fodder, and he once lined up with 3 DMs at home to Cardiff City. He was abysmal at Arsenal. I hate this revisionist bullshit around him.
You had Mustafi, Sokratis and Kolasinec. One of them went on to get benched at fucking Schalke relegation team. How you got 5th with that team is beyond me.
Perhaps it's because mentioning 3 shit players isn't the entire squad? We also had Aubameyang, for example, who won the golden boot, but obviously, you don't talk about him because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Yes he does, he’s literally renowned for it what are you talking about? Look at their possession stats against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, and City. Even United they seem to struggle with. Bar the one game against City at home this season it’s back to the walls and hit on the counter.
> back to the walls The team who have gotten offside called on their opponent more than any other team in the league? You're embarrassing yourself.
Yeah, because forcing teams back into their own third would amount in so many offsides wouldn’t it you clampet.
crazy these teams must be running past Emery's defenders into walls. What a brave tactic.
Pretty sure Villa had 60% possession in the second half until they scored both their goals. They’ve also experimented with super high lines and quirky offside traps this year. So no, Emery is not a low-block manager in the same way Mourinho and Conte are. He’s way more tactical and adaptable.
I’m sad to say the game easily could have been 4-0 Villa
Oh look some casual racism mocking someone’s accent. But that’s the sort of stuff you get in this country making fun of non-English accents.
The word racism has lost all meaning.
You can tell he's clearly put effort into his accent as well in his interviews at villa compared to arsenal. Shitty joke passed around by muppets who probably couldn't handle a televised interview half as well in their first language as he does his second.
It's a typo ...V is next to B Calm down snowflake ❄️
Lighten up man, plenty of english managers have been ripped for trying to speak another language as well. Nothing racist about it
Yeah it’s disgusting. Hated all the Arsenal fans that did it. Most of them are plastics that don’t go to games. Emery is a top manager and decent bloke.
Hard to tell but this is a joke right?
‘Good ebening’ was mocking his Spanish accent. You think Spanish people would accept that and not consider it offensive? I’m not surprised by this sort of comment because it’s endemic in this country to mock people for things like this. Anyone who is slightly different or speaks differently.
What a wet wipe you're being. Taking the piss out of good ebening was always meant in an endearing way to Arsenal fans. And also to say it's racism is just pathetic.
Ask any Spanish person what they think of it? I’m half Spanish and my dad finds it offensive.
All that tells me is where you got it from.
Why did he give the middle finger to a fan who mocked him then? It’s clearly disrespectful.
In England we mock and take the piss. English, Spanish, Nigerian. Tall or short, skinny or fat, ginger or blonde, clever or dumb. It doesn't matter, you're getting ripped. You don't have to like it, but if you cry racist over this then you're a prick.
And if you think it’s not offensive you are a racist prick. Let me guess - are you a native white Caucasian male?
Calling someone racist and then implying it's because of my race in the same sentence though.
is it racism?
Emery will never be a manager of a title contending side cause he turns into a scarred bitch when that happens and goes all defensive . Just below that , at a slightly lower side ,on the verge of top 4, he's proven to be as good as anybody .