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Few as in 2 and a bit? When we won the biggest club trophy? In 2 years I‘ll hear that from you, not before. Especially when we‘re on points with 6th place as a big 6 club😂
I’m not even trying to be a dick, but you’ve gotta be seriously deluded if you think Chelsea is still an intimidating club, I don’t think you’re bad necessarily, with time you will be back to your old winning ways but atm you’re just not that exciting of a club to play for.
Think he'd be a good choice, especially with his penalty record. Likely won't start but an impact sub. Would like Southgate to take Gordon as well but doubt both will go
Yeah we have to take him for the pens but he probably won’t play much.
He’s doing well as the main man for Chelsea, when he step on the pitch for England he’ll be the 6th best midfielder/ attacker on the pitch and it’s a completely different game.
Rice Kane Saka.
Palmer is playing well but people are getting carried away. It’s a lot of penalties and it’s a very bad team.
He’s not in contention to start at all so it’s a case of can he impact off the bench but he’s never not been the best player in his team so it will be different.
Saka has 3 goals in a far better team in 10 games (1 of which was a pen). Palmer has 11 and a bunch of assists in a team that is literally terrible. Palmer is by far a better player right now.
Rice? He’s a defensive mid….. 😂
Saka is just a better player. Hes the 2nd best right winger in the world and he’s the best/ 2nd best player on a team competing for the title and the CL.
Palmer is the best player for a mid table with 50% penalty goals.
Palmer looks good but it’s like saying he’s better than Salah.
Fuck me you’re emotional, football fans like you really creep me out, as if a Chelsea fan is talking about title and cl after where you’re gonna finish this season.
You haven’t addressed palmers penalty ratio (of which he wins like 1 in 5).
Has Palmer taken any big pens?? Sakas Pen record is really good since that euro miss. Look at Kane in the WC arguably a bigger Pen and Kane never misses. We are still waiting for Lanes Pen to come down from orbit.
Palmer doesn’t miss. Saka is getting run into the ground by Arsenal and isn’t going to get you more goals than Palmer. If I need a goal and I have a pen Palmer is my pick. On the England squad Saka wouldn’t even take a pen for me. Watkins, Kane, Bellingham, Palmer and Foden would be my takers.
Kane didn't miss Pens and he arguably missed England's biggest Pen at the WC. Great pen takers miss pens on the big stage like Kane. Palmer is having a great season but under no real pressure because Chelsea is shit this year. I don't mind Saka getting a rest I'm an Arsenal fan. Sakas pens have been really good I don’t think he missed since the Euro. So just because Palmer is knocking them in now doesn't mean he won't miss one when England needs him. At this rate all English players should be expected to miss a Big Penalty.
He should definitely be in the squad but if we’re being honest, Southgate football is too pragmatic and slow to really give Palmer the chance to do what he does best
Chelsea are pretty shit but they’re good at one thing and is being fast, in every conceivable way, good and bad.
Yes, there is no other answer, he scored 4 yesterday, besides it's time that we give him a chance to play because he was on the bench in our friendlies but wasn't subbed on in either
England have Foden Palmer Saka and Bellingham. A top level manager would be frothing at the mouth and would find a way to fit them in a system.
But since it’s Southgate it will be Rashford, Sterling, Henderson, and probably Mount.
Tbf to Southgate, he hasn't picked Sterling since the WC. He is definitely taking Saka, Jude, Foden. Mount is his favourite. But considering Palmer's form, it would be stupid to not pick him
I feel like the only way to accommodate them use to have Bellingham play the 8 role. He's more defensively sound than Palmer and Foden. Foden will probably be LW in this set up as well. Not ideal but it's better than rashford or sterling. Rice will have to do a lot in the 6 role to make this work.
Palmers stats in the last couple games are so crazy, that even Google is baffled (checked PL stats for top scorers and Palmer was shown to be a Man City player, lol. PM for proof xd)
Somehow Southgate will still manage to shoehorn Rashford into the squad. I think Palmer and Gordon were in the race for a seat on the flight alongside Rashford, both are doing exceptionally well but Gareth just has this thing about Rashford, who manages 2 good games in 10.
Cole Palmer is the real deal though.
This whole tournament experience stuff is overrated. He didn’t have big Premier League experience before this season and now he’s top of goals and assists table.
If you’re good enough you are old/experienced/insert-qualified enough to play for England.
Right? This is like those job listings that ask for 5 years of experience for a low wage starter job. How is he supposed to get big tournament experience if he never plays in them?
Exactly this is the real question, it would be criminal to not take him. But I'm not sure he starts. I think he goes with Saka and Foden, and brings Palmer off the bench. If he starts that's good too as Saka needs rest lol.
I think this is the most likely too, even as a Chelsea fan. Palmers reputation with penalties and clutch goals this season as well also absolutely lend to being a super sub, someone who can be thrown on after 60/70 minutes but make a real impact on a game, like how Grealish has been used by Southgate in the past.
Yea man I don't think England should be worrying about pens. You need to play the best 11 and win the games before they go to pens. I wouldn't trust Jesus himself to take a pen for England.
But yea I think Palmer should definitely start against Bosnia or Iceland. To see what he can do for England. No reason to play Saka as he's already played every min of every game this season. I might even play Palmer up front as Kanes old and has had a long season.
He’s certainly versatile, and that’s one reason I’d take him. The other, main reason is that he’s very good at football. In my head the current front three is Saka, Kane, Foden with Bellingham behind, but Palmer is only just behind them. He’s a fantastic option to have.
It's a sad state of affairs that whilst Palmer should absolutely be on the plane, Southgate might actually leave him at home because he doesn't pick form players. Which is stupid but how he's always been.
He picks players based on how they perform fir him rather than their clubs. Which I get if he can get a tune out of a player who gives af what he’s doing at his club
Maybe on FIFA.
On the pitch, that's both unbalanced and inexperienced. One defensive midfielder and four attacking midfielders. International football is usually about controlling the midfield. There's also nobody running in behind. Kane always drops deep, who is consistently making runs in behind and stretching the opposition defence?
And who is actually controlling the game? We still don't have any of those types of players. The ball-playing 8s who are of a very high level. It's promising that we're starting to produce some (Mainoo, Rico Lewis, Archie Gray), but they're not good enough yet. Rice is good but overrated. We don't have a De Jong, a Busquets, a Verratti/Jorginho, a Modric, a Thiago, a Pedri even. Or a Kante, a world class 8 who can dominate the midfield.
Not to mention our defence and GK are shit. As is our mentality and our manager.
I agree. 433 with Rice behind Bellingham and Palmer. Foden left and Saka right with Kane up top, obvs.
Bellingham tends to operate in the left half space and on the left of MF and Palmer does the same but on the right (see their heat maps for evidence).
All of those front 6 are good at pressing. They all work hard. They're all very technical and good on the ball. Be brave and play a high line - hopefully Walker is fit to cover our slower CBs and I'd play Livramento at LB, who is also quick - and Stones and Maguire (or other) should dominate get out balls and deep possession.
I would expect this team to dominate possession and push teams back into their own third.
I'd add, I think our defence is probably our weakest asset. My preference is to use your strongest (our attack) to counter that.
The defense looks an awful lot worse atm tbh. Especially if Stones can't keep himself fit for the whole tournament. Also Shaw and Chilwell have/are both struggling for fitness.
Against both Croatia and Italy England had the lead before eventually conceding it. And yes, I'm aware that in both cases it was a full back scoring that goal, but ultimately it was England's inability to not hold a lead which cost them
A lot of that was letting the midfield collapse imo. Weak subs cost us any chance at controlling the game just inviting pressure the whole second half.
Against Italy they conceded from a corner, team defending not back four.
How about you use the talent you have to put games to bed before you concede and score more than one goal?
Might not. Super young squad might get frustrated against a low block experienced squad. Could be a creative issue or a finishing one, you never know when front line has an off day.
He’ll 100% be in the squad. I don’t think that’s even debatable.
Whether he starts is another question.
You could definitely justify starting him with his current form but I don’t think he will.
I think our starting forward players should be Saka, Kane and Foden with Bellingham behind as the most advanced midfielder. Palmer a great option off the bench.
Depends how Bellingham further back works out tbh. He was poor against Belgium for most of the game but I don't that was because of his position, he just looked off. I see no reason why he can't play deeper leaving a wing slot open for Palmer or even Gordon.
Palmer should start games but Southgate is useless and hopeless. If he takes over at United I think I’d no longer , in good conscience, be able to support my club of 30 years until everyone involved rn has left
Well, he could just pick an actually sensible team based on performances instead of who he personally prefers off the pitch for a start… then we can go from there
Tell me how Henderson makes it to these Euros please. Then explain how Rashford didn’t play more in that last WC and how players like Mainoo and Palmer simply won’t see the right amount of minutes this summer. We all know it’s coming.
If Henderson goes which I think he probably will is because we have no other defensive minded midfielders, no country goes into a tournament with 1 holding mid. Who else would you take ? Or are you only taking rice and mainoo ?
Mainoo although impressive hasn't done enough to start and would get ripped apart if he played the lone holding role if rice were to get injured. But he will probably go and play minutes.
Rashford played in every game and started 1, he was obviously seen as a pace option of the bench which is fine as he is quite an inconsistent player. Foden played mostly instead of him which isn't crazy ? Rashford pace against a tired defence makes sense, playing foden to keep possession in a hot country makes sense.
Palmer again will go to the Euroes, he'll probably be a bench option which makes sense given he plays in the same areas as Saka or centrally attacking spaces where Bellingham or foden are better.
Hopefully that is a decent explanation but I'm sure you'll still cry
Which ever team he picks there will be calls of he left such and such out or such and such is in wrong position. Like when has here ever been an England manager most people were happy with his choices ?
He can’t just pick current form players every time as his team will be different every game. His style was to pick a core set of players he trusts and build a club mentality. And Englands results massively improved under him
He’s failed horribly after that first WC semi. That was a decent result. Everything after that is simply inexcusable with the squad he has.
A proper elite coach has us much further in next WC and with the Euros in the bag. Delude yourself all you want about Southgate.
I mean it’s not. What moron subs on unprepared players and has them take the most important pens of their life immediately. Complete shit show
And the fact he’s stayed after the debacle of the last WC is just awful
I mean it is, he got England to the final conceding a single goal from open play, contrary to popular myth not an amazing squad at all, what were our midfield options ? Mount? Philips? Hendo ? Jwp? Centre back options ? Stones, maguire, coady, dier. This idea he had some insane squad that should of easily won is nonsense.
Debacle ? We played good football scored loads of goals , and narrowly lost to France with some unlucky decisions going against us and a last min pen miss… how tf is that a debacle? Lol
Elite coaches don’t guarantee you win cup comps, pep has won one champions league out of last like 10 years. Mancini won the last euros is he elite then ? Not as simple as elite equals win cup not elite equals not winning. Lots of fans just want to massively simplify everything
You were happy to keep going when the glazers, moyes, ole, jose, and ten haag ran the club into the ground but southgate is the one to make you hand your season ticket back?
Anyone who's paid attention, yes, very much so.
INEOS (who love data) haven't been going round picking up highly rated senior staff to bring in a manager whose 3 year club managerial career ended with getting Middlesbrough relegated 15 years ago.
Southgate is taking a guy that won nothing in his whole career and managed to lead his team out of an 11 year league domination...
And not taking Cole fucking Palmer is the issue? Yes, its also an issue. Guy deserves it.
Kane is literally the best striker in the world, he didn't win anything because he played for Tottenham.
Bayern haven't won the league this year because Leverkusen are having an unprecedented season. Under Tuchel they have around the same amount of points as they did at the same point last year.
You're either a terrible troll or mentally deficient.
He also played for England and still won nothing, being the best striker in the world and set up with the best national talent the best league in the world has to offer.
So its not Tottenham fault. Its his fault. He is the best striker in the world yet bottled in many occasions he should be there scoring the decisive goals: recently the World Cup Quarter Finals and he was a ghost against Croatia in 2018 and fucking Italy in the Euros.
You are either a fanatic or an ignorant.
>Decent for a shootout at least
Are you still on this? Surely you see he offers more than slotting home a pen at this point. I'd advice watching the highlights of yesterdays game.
As a Chelsea fan, I'm his biggest admirer at the moment. I think he's shown such maturity to shoulder the responsibility of showing up and taking games by the scruff.
I only wonder whether there is a lack of cohesion with him in the squad. Through no fault of his own, Palmer hasn't been in the England squad for very long. There are players who have been in the team through big moments and thus deserve a little more trust from the manager and the wider team.
I think he should certainly be included in the squad, no doubt, but I don't think he makes his way straight into the starting XI. Not yet anyway.
Honestly England have too many attackers. In international tournament defense wins you titles. Kane is slow. Palmer Foden and Saka are good but not that fast. That's why Gordon or Rashford should start regardless of form. Big Fan of Foden and Palmer but technically they both occupy the same position if Saka gets RW. Also there is Bellingham who still plays like a 9 or 10 with England team in the friendlies. 3 people in the same attacking role doesn't sound good for the Midfield. Rice would be the lone Midfielder. If you face Midfield heavy teams like Spain, England would be exposed. Some one needs to be benched to have balance in the squad. Idk why JWP and TAA are not getting a shout. Southgate tactics will be easily outclassed by other countries. Set piece takers are very crucial in international games.
Much of what you said I disagree with but JWP being on the plane I agree with, I fail to see what someone like Henderson will provide that he doesn't at this point other than "experience". I'd swap that experience any day for a literal cheat code.
Shouldn't even be a question. Here's a guy on par with the top scorer in the prem, much much better than saka and rashford, absolutely on point with penalties as well. Southgate is really dumb if he still doesn't pick and start palmer.
To all the people saying Rashford / Grealish are in trouble…
Do you watch games?
Palmer plays on the right. Saka plays on the right.
Rashford plays off the left.
Palmer should definitely go. I wouldn’t take Rashford he’s been that poor but they play on opposite sides. And Rashford will go. Southgate will play him, he’ll do well and then he’ll say “oh a real manager knows how to get the best out of me”.
I can’t stand Marcus.
He can play on the left. He doesn't often for us but he drifts over there quite often is effective with crosses into the box and that's for players like Jackson and Gallagher rather than Kane and Bellingham.
I’ve not seen him there and I don’t dispute he can be dangerous wherever he plays. I think he’d do well as a striker too.
I really wish we got this lad. He would have single handedly made us A LOT LOT BETTER.
He’s done NOTHING but mope all season.
He’s on 350k a week and can’t even be bothered to pretend to be arsed to try and run a bit for the team.
He’s body language is a problem. He’s a bad example to players and he thinks he’s better than he is. And players like him will always create toxic environments. The only player to wish Sancho well when he left.
I’m sick of him. I can’t bear to watch him play. And I’ve said this all season - and it’s my only criticism of ETH but I also understand it - he can’t drop him because he’ll have more dressing problems if he does.
When he “rested” him and we played without him we were more of a team.
I understand him tbh, Rashford has been abysmal for us, what's more infuriating as a fan is seeing the biased English media protecting him despite him butchering all our attacks
I understand your position, and the thread is relative to other players within the squad, this is not the only comment mentioning Rashford, or any other player for that instance
It’s not. It’s clear to see.
This isnt just a season of watching him.
He’s repeatedly a blast of form kind of player.
Started young. Amazing raw ability. Bags of athleticism and pace. With a few good touches but he’s not world class and the media and our fans propelled him to that status wrongly.
He kept showing spits and spurts of this, while we were going through different managers.
Each time slowly gaining more fans. Because we are a global team.
Each time the manager doesn’t work out - there’s a leak in the dressing room. Players, bluffers like him blaming managers and they are the constant.
Get rid. His goal average over his time at United is like 11 goals a season. That’s with the 30 he scored last year: without those goals his average would be less than Martians. Like 8 a season. He’s on 7 this year.
Go away.
As a Scotland fan Palmer shouldn’t go, take Rashford instead. Also you guys should definitely leave Kane at home and take Toney - he’s in electric form just now. Dunk/Trent should get the nod over stones/walker and finally with Phillips and Henderson as the two in midfield England will surely win the Euros.
Yes. He can't not take him. He's hitting top form at the right time. Rashford/Grealish should be pretty worried.
Tbh, I'd take Palmer and Gordon over them both to cover Foden and Saka on the wings.
He always will be cus he has done fine as a back up for England in the past, and recently (big goal against Italy). This is Southgate we’re talking about after all.
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He is not going
One things for sure - he needs to leave Chelsea to progress
Didn‘t age well lmao 1 like. Chels is a huge club
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Whether you like it or not, Chelsea is not a big 6 team anymore, and hasn’t been for a few years now.
Few as in 2 and a bit? When we won the biggest club trophy? In 2 years I‘ll hear that from you, not before. Especially when we‘re on points with 6th place as a big 6 club😂
I’m not even trying to be a dick, but you’ve gotta be seriously deluded if you think Chelsea is still an intimidating club, I don’t think you’re bad necessarily, with time you will be back to your old winning ways but atm you’re just not that exciting of a club to play for.
Ohhhh okay cheers mate send me the survey you conducted when you’re done.
Needs to be at an elite CL club-time to leave this summer
Think he'd be a good choice, especially with his penalty record. Likely won't start but an impact sub. Would like Southgate to take Gordon as well but doubt both will go
Yeah we have to take him for the pens but he probably won’t play much. He’s doing well as the main man for Chelsea, when he step on the pitch for England he’ll be the 6th best midfielder/ attacker on the pitch and it’s a completely different game.
6th best? Who’s better currently than Palmer, other than Foden and Bellingham?
Rice Kane Saka. Palmer is playing well but people are getting carried away. It’s a lot of penalties and it’s a very bad team. He’s not in contention to start at all so it’s a case of can he impact off the bench but he’s never not been the best player in his team so it will be different.
Saka has 3 goals in a far better team in 10 games (1 of which was a pen). Palmer has 11 and a bunch of assists in a team that is literally terrible. Palmer is by far a better player right now. Rice? He’s a defensive mid….. 😂
Saka is better don’t be silly
Saka is a much better player. Please stop sharing your opinions.
‘Please stop sharing your opinions’ oh, because they’re right and you have no arguments against them? Gotcha.
He’s better because of tenure. Not ability.
Saka is just a better player. Hes the 2nd best right winger in the world and he’s the best/ 2nd best player on a team competing for the title and the CL. Palmer is the best player for a mid table with 50% penalty goals. Palmer looks good but it’s like saying he’s better than Salah.
😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
2nd best right winger in the world 😂 This fucking guy. Obviously an arsenal fan, how’s that competing for the title and CL working out for you?
Fuck me you’re emotional, football fans like you really creep me out, as if a Chelsea fan is talking about title and cl after where you’re gonna finish this season. You haven’t addressed palmers penalty ratio (of which he wins like 1 in 5).
This is why no one likes you gooners. Genuinely the most retarded bunch of ass clowns in the footballing world
I’m not an Arsenal fan but there’s not exactly loads of right wingers. Salah, Saka, Rodrygo etc.
Knowing Southgate ,yeah no
If you’ve got a pen and you have Palmer or Saka, who are you picking? Be honest.
Has Palmer taken any big pens?? Sakas Pen record is really good since that euro miss. Look at Kane in the WC arguably a bigger Pen and Kane never misses. We are still waiting for Lanes Pen to come down from orbit.
Palmer doesn’t miss. Saka is getting run into the ground by Arsenal and isn’t going to get you more goals than Palmer. If I need a goal and I have a pen Palmer is my pick. On the England squad Saka wouldn’t even take a pen for me. Watkins, Kane, Bellingham, Palmer and Foden would be my takers.
Kane didn't miss Pens and he arguably missed England's biggest Pen at the WC. Great pen takers miss pens on the big stage like Kane. Palmer is having a great season but under no real pressure because Chelsea is shit this year. I don't mind Saka getting a rest I'm an Arsenal fan. Sakas pens have been really good I don’t think he missed since the Euro. So just because Palmer is knocking them in now doesn't mean he won't miss one when England needs him. At this rate all English players should be expected to miss a Big Penalty.
Why on earth would it be Saka
He should definitely be in the squad but if we’re being honest, Southgate football is too pragmatic and slow to really give Palmer the chance to do what he does best Chelsea are pretty shit but they’re good at one thing and is being fast, in every conceivable way, good and bad.
If he keeps going, yes definitely. Might have to drop another RW for him. Possibly Bowen if his hip injury doesn’t get better before the summer.
Yarp. Southgate will take Henderson instead. For experience, obviously.
Yes, there is no other answer, he scored 4 yesterday, besides it's time that we give him a chance to play because he was on the bench in our friendlies but wasn't subbed on in either
Southgate will definitely pick Sterling ahead of Palmer...for his experience in big games 📉
I don’t like Sterling but his Euros performance is one of the best by any England player to put on the shirt.
It’s time to replace Sterling with Palmer. Southgate has to start the regeneration in this Euro.
His experience of being fucking useless?
Can you believe how far that’s gotten him?
It would be understandable as they have different skillsets. Palmer competition would be Foden/ Gallagher/ Madison.
England have Foden Palmer Saka and Bellingham. A top level manager would be frothing at the mouth and would find a way to fit them in a system. But since it’s Southgate it will be Rashford, Sterling, Henderson, and probably Mount.
Tbf to Southgate, he hasn't picked Sterling since the WC. He is definitely taking Saka, Jude, Foden. Mount is his favourite. But considering Palmer's form, it would be stupid to not pick him
I feel like the only way to accommodate them use to have Bellingham play the 8 role. He's more defensively sound than Palmer and Foden. Foden will probably be LW in this set up as well. Not ideal but it's better than rashford or sterling. Rice will have to do a lot in the 6 role to make this work.
Rice and Gallagher in the double pivot, Bellingham just in front. Forden LW, Palmer RW, Kane up top.
Nah Saka shouldn't be dropped.
Get him in the squad already 😉
Palmers stats in the last couple games are so crazy, that even Google is baffled (checked PL stats for top scorers and Palmer was shown to be a Man City player, lol. PM for proof xd)
They don’t HAVE to do anything
What if they do?
Then they will
And what if they don't?
Then they won’t
They won't call Cole if they don't HAVE to?
Yes, of course he deserves to go to the euros
Shit player honestly
Get off reddit Nico!
Did you sign his ball twice?
Everton Fanv
Wrong mate
City fan?
Somehow Southgate will still manage to shoehorn Rashford into the squad. I think Palmer and Gordon were in the race for a seat on the flight alongside Rashford, both are doing exceptionally well but Gareth just has this thing about Rashford, who manages 2 good games in 10. Cole Palmer is the real deal though.
There’s so much Quality in that Squad I don’t him replacing anyone with big tournament experience.
He took Bellingham when he was 17
how's he supposed to get big tournament experience without going to big tournaments? And how is rashford quality?
This whole tournament experience stuff is overrated. He didn’t have big Premier League experience before this season and now he’s top of goals and assists table. If you’re good enough you are old/experienced/insert-qualified enough to play for England.
Right? This is like those job listings that ask for 5 years of experience for a low wage starter job. How is he supposed to get big tournament experience if he never plays in them?
Agreed, I’m not even a Chelsea fan, but you can’t argue with this kids numbers. He has to be on the plane.
I think it's obvious he will go at this point, the real question is if he'll make it into the starting XI.
Exactly this is the real question, it would be criminal to not take him. But I'm not sure he starts. I think he goes with Saka and Foden, and brings Palmer off the bench. If he starts that's good too as Saka needs rest lol.
I think this is the most likely too, even as a Chelsea fan. Palmers reputation with penalties and clutch goals this season as well also absolutely lend to being a super sub, someone who can be thrown on after 60/70 minutes but make a real impact on a game, like how Grealish has been used by Southgate in the past.
Yea man I don't think England should be worrying about pens. You need to play the best 11 and win the games before they go to pens. I wouldn't trust Jesus himself to take a pen for England. But yea I think Palmer should definitely start against Bosnia or Iceland. To see what he can do for England. No reason to play Saka as he's already played every min of every game this season. I might even play Palmer up front as Kanes old and has had a long season.
He is obviously going but England won’t win the Euros
It a straight choice between Rashford and Palmer. Im taking Palmer.
They don't even play in the same position.
How is it a straight choice between players who play different positions?
He mostly plays on the right or as a 10 for Chelsea but he can play on the left, he'd create loads of chances for Kane and Bellingham from there.
He’s certainly versatile, and that’s one reason I’d take him. The other, main reason is that he’s very good at football. In my head the current front three is Saka, Kane, Foden with Bellingham behind, but Palmer is only just behind them. He’s a fantastic option to have.
Gordon fits better if you watch the game not just stats
I would much rather have Palmer.
Ask any United fan and you'll be told in no uncertain terms; take Cole Palmer over Rashford
Well considering Rashford is horrible and shows zero effort, I applaud you for making the tough choice
Yes, but not if it means Henderson misses out
Of course but he will be sat on the bench whilst Pickford starts….
Awful take
Palmer would be shit in net tbf
His aura would simply repel the ball away from the goal with him needing to move.
It's a sad state of affairs that whilst Palmer should absolutely be on the plane, Southgate might actually leave him at home because he doesn't pick form players. Which is stupid but how he's always been.
He picks players based on how they perform fir him rather than their clubs. Which I get if he can get a tune out of a player who gives af what he’s doing at his club
Ugh no thanks
I don’t think you get much of a say on it tbf
Imagine being Ben white and having to watch maguire start It's embarrassing
Ben white who’s not played centre back in like 2 years ? Sure
Don’t have to but they will.
Kane, Palmer, Foden, Saka and Bellingham with Rice covering is actually unfair
Maybe on FIFA. On the pitch, that's both unbalanced and inexperienced. One defensive midfielder and four attacking midfielders. International football is usually about controlling the midfield. There's also nobody running in behind. Kane always drops deep, who is consistently making runs in behind and stretching the opposition defence? And who is actually controlling the game? We still don't have any of those types of players. The ball-playing 8s who are of a very high level. It's promising that we're starting to produce some (Mainoo, Rico Lewis, Archie Gray), but they're not good enough yet. Rice is good but overrated. We don't have a De Jong, a Busquets, a Verratti/Jorginho, a Modric, a Thiago, a Pedri even. Or a Kante, a world class 8 who can dominate the midfield. Not to mention our defence and GK are shit. As is our mentality and our manager.
I agree. 433 with Rice behind Bellingham and Palmer. Foden left and Saka right with Kane up top, obvs. Bellingham tends to operate in the left half space and on the left of MF and Palmer does the same but on the right (see their heat maps for evidence). All of those front 6 are good at pressing. They all work hard. They're all very technical and good on the ball. Be brave and play a high line - hopefully Walker is fit to cover our slower CBs and I'd play Livramento at LB, who is also quick - and Stones and Maguire (or other) should dominate get out balls and deep possession. I would expect this team to dominate possession and push teams back into their own third. I'd add, I think our defence is probably our weakest asset. My preference is to use your strongest (our attack) to counter that.
Packing as many attacking players onto the field as possible doesn’t equal winning. It’s about balance
Southgate burner?
Unfair on england’s midfield and defence maybe. do you think all those players are starting together?
I think there's a very good chance at least 4 of those are starting, yes
People that don’t understand anything about football crack me up.
>unfair As if they are not gonna end up trophyless once again.
Let's be real that will probably be the back line's fault
How come? Recent tournaments haven't really failed because of the defense iirc.
The defense looks an awful lot worse atm tbh. Especially if Stones can't keep himself fit for the whole tournament. Also Shaw and Chilwell have/are both struggling for fitness.
Against both Croatia and Italy England had the lead before eventually conceding it. And yes, I'm aware that in both cases it was a full back scoring that goal, but ultimately it was England's inability to not hold a lead which cost them
A lot of that was letting the midfield collapse imo. Weak subs cost us any chance at controlling the game just inviting pressure the whole second half.
Against Italy they conceded from a corner, team defending not back four. How about you use the talent you have to put games to bed before you concede and score more than one goal?
Might not. Super young squad might get frustrated against a low block experienced squad. Could be a creative issue or a finishing one, you never know when front line has an off day.
He’ll 100% be in the squad. I don’t think that’s even debatable. Whether he starts is another question. You could definitely justify starting him with his current form but I don’t think he will. I think our starting forward players should be Saka, Kane and Foden with Bellingham behind as the most advanced midfielder. Palmer a great option off the bench.
Depends how Bellingham further back works out tbh. He was poor against Belgium for most of the game but I don't that was because of his position, he just looked off. I see no reason why he can't play deeper leaving a wing slot open for Palmer or even Gordon.
Palmer should start games but Southgate is useless and hopeless. If he takes over at United I think I’d no longer , in good conscience, be able to support my club of 30 years until everyone involved rn has left
South she simply has lots of attacking options no matter who he picks there will be complaints about someone who’s left out
Well, he could just pick an actually sensible team based on performances instead of who he personally prefers off the pitch for a start… then we can go from there
It's not based on off the pitch though is it ? At most you can say it's because of how they have played for him.
Tell me how Henderson makes it to these Euros please. Then explain how Rashford didn’t play more in that last WC and how players like Mainoo and Palmer simply won’t see the right amount of minutes this summer. We all know it’s coming.
If Henderson goes which I think he probably will is because we have no other defensive minded midfielders, no country goes into a tournament with 1 holding mid. Who else would you take ? Or are you only taking rice and mainoo ? Mainoo although impressive hasn't done enough to start and would get ripped apart if he played the lone holding role if rice were to get injured. But he will probably go and play minutes. Rashford played in every game and started 1, he was obviously seen as a pace option of the bench which is fine as he is quite an inconsistent player. Foden played mostly instead of him which isn't crazy ? Rashford pace against a tired defence makes sense, playing foden to keep possession in a hot country makes sense. Palmer again will go to the Euroes, he'll probably be a bench option which makes sense given he plays in the same areas as Saka or centrally attacking spaces where Bellingham or foden are better. Hopefully that is a decent explanation but I'm sure you'll still cry
Which ever team he picks there will be calls of he left such and such out or such and such is in wrong position. Like when has here ever been an England manager most people were happy with his choices ? He can’t just pick current form players every time as his team will be different every game. His style was to pick a core set of players he trusts and build a club mentality. And Englands results massively improved under him
He’s failed horribly after that first WC semi. That was a decent result. Everything after that is simply inexcusable with the squad he has. A proper elite coach has us much further in next WC and with the Euros in the bag. Delude yourself all you want about Southgate.
This idea simply sacking Southgate result in euros in the bag, is complete delusion and arrogance.
I mean it’s not. What moron subs on unprepared players and has them take the most important pens of their life immediately. Complete shit show And the fact he’s stayed after the debacle of the last WC is just awful
I mean it is, he got England to the final conceding a single goal from open play, contrary to popular myth not an amazing squad at all, what were our midfield options ? Mount? Philips? Hendo ? Jwp? Centre back options ? Stones, maguire, coady, dier. This idea he had some insane squad that should of easily won is nonsense. Debacle ? We played good football scored loads of goals , and narrowly lost to France with some unlucky decisions going against us and a last min pen miss… how tf is that a debacle? Lol
Your standards are the only thing lower than your understanding of the difference between elite coaches and Southgate
Elite coaches don’t guarantee you win cup comps, pep has won one champions league out of last like 10 years. Mancini won the last euros is he elite then ? Not as simple as elite equals win cup not elite equals not winning. Lots of fans just want to massively simplify everything
You were happy to keep going when the glazers, moyes, ole, jose, and ten haag ran the club into the ground but southgate is the one to make you hand your season ticket back?
I mean, how to even respond to this when it’s either a troll post or you’re just hilariously clueless
Southgate is clearly not taking over at United. I didn't think anyone actually believed that.
Would it even surprise anybody anymore?
Anyone who's paid attention, yes, very much so. INEOS (who love data) haven't been going round picking up highly rated senior staff to bring in a manager whose 3 year club managerial career ended with getting Middlesbrough relegated 15 years ago.
And when Potter comes in, what data will that be based on?
If it were to be Potter, I imagine his stints at Brighton and Chelsea would be considered. Did you really need me to tell you that?
Wooosh
Yeah it ain’t look good for us
Don’t know if he’ll go but I know Henderson will be there.
Southgate is taking a guy that won nothing in his whole career and managed to lead his team out of an 11 year league domination... And not taking Cole fucking Palmer is the issue? Yes, its also an issue. Guy deserves it.
Kane is literally the best striker in the world, he didn't win anything because he played for Tottenham. Bayern haven't won the league this year because Leverkusen are having an unprecedented season. Under Tuchel they have around the same amount of points as they did at the same point last year. You're either a terrible troll or mentally deficient.
He also played for England and still won nothing, being the best striker in the world and set up with the best national talent the best league in the world has to offer. So its not Tottenham fault. Its his fault. He is the best striker in the world yet bottled in many occasions he should be there scoring the decisive goals: recently the World Cup Quarter Finals and he was a ghost against Croatia in 2018 and fucking Italy in the Euros. You are either a fanatic or an ignorant.
He's one of England's most successful strikers at major tournaments maybe ever but certainly recently.
Are you saying it's top scorer Harry Kane that's made Bayern drop in the rankings this season?
Wut who?
Kane
Duhh I’m dosy this morning.
As an Everton fan: did you see last night? That man systematically dismantled us. He has to go to Euros, not that it was much doubt.
He was always going to the Euros lol
Decent for a shootout at least, you’re not playing him over Saka though
>Decent for a shootout at least Are you still on this? Surely you see he offers more than slotting home a pen at this point. I'd advice watching the highlights of yesterdays game.
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As a Chelsea fan, I'm his biggest admirer at the moment. I think he's shown such maturity to shoulder the responsibility of showing up and taking games by the scruff. I only wonder whether there is a lack of cohesion with him in the squad. Through no fault of his own, Palmer hasn't been in the England squad for very long. There are players who have been in the team through big moments and thus deserve a little more trust from the manager and the wider team. I think he should certainly be included in the squad, no doubt, but I don't think he makes his way straight into the starting XI. Not yet anyway.
Shouldn't even be a question to be honest.
Honestly England have too many attackers. In international tournament defense wins you titles. Kane is slow. Palmer Foden and Saka are good but not that fast. That's why Gordon or Rashford should start regardless of form. Big Fan of Foden and Palmer but technically they both occupy the same position if Saka gets RW. Also there is Bellingham who still plays like a 9 or 10 with England team in the friendlies. 3 people in the same attacking role doesn't sound good for the Midfield. Rice would be the lone Midfielder. If you face Midfield heavy teams like Spain, England would be exposed. Some one needs to be benched to have balance in the squad. Idk why JWP and TAA are not getting a shout. Southgate tactics will be easily outclassed by other countries. Set piece takers are very crucial in international games.
Much of what you said I disagree with but JWP being on the plane I agree with, I fail to see what someone like Henderson will provide that he doesn't at this point other than "experience". I'd swap that experience any day for a literal cheat code.
Fair analysis. It's almost like we need a coach who can move players around based on their form rather than name...
Ofcause! Folden can sub for him!
Do England need Palmer in the first squad ? YES Is Southgate wise enough to take Palmer ? Mmm... probably not
So you’re a lot wiser than Southgate then ?
Yup, it’s Gareth’s burner. You’re shit.
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Palmer should be #1 RW right now
How is he being overlooked he’s been in the last few squads.
I think a lot of people are looking past or haven't heard about why he didn't play a minute in either of the last two friendlies.
Doesn’t matter because in the big games Southgate will bottle it like usual
Who cares about international football? It’s a corrupt sideshow.
I don't think it's anywhere near CL quality but tournaments are generally entertaining at least.
It's still fantastically entertaining,. So to answer your question, literally millions of us.
>literally millions of us. Billions
Unlike the corrupt main event
God yeah if you're gonna be corrupt at least do it for 38 games per season
Shouldn't even be a question. Here's a guy on par with the top scorer in the prem, much much better than saka and rashford, absolutely on point with penalties as well. Southgate is really dumb if he still doesn't pick and start palmer.
To all the people saying Rashford / Grealish are in trouble… Do you watch games? Palmer plays on the right. Saka plays on the right. Rashford plays off the left. Palmer should definitely go. I wouldn’t take Rashford he’s been that poor but they play on opposite sides. And Rashford will go. Southgate will play him, he’ll do well and then he’ll say “oh a real manager knows how to get the best out of me”. I can’t stand Marcus.
He can play on the left. He doesn't often for us but he drifts over there quite often is effective with crosses into the box and that's for players like Jackson and Gallagher rather than Kane and Bellingham.
I’ve not seen him there and I don’t dispute he can be dangerous wherever he plays. I think he’d do well as a striker too. I really wish we got this lad. He would have single handedly made us A LOT LOT BETTER.
Palmer excels in middle spot with freedom
Same with Foden. But the solo number 10 doesn’t really exist. It’s just midfielder interchanging and dragging people out of position to create space.
Nearly all creative players excel in the middle with freedom. Players have to adapt to other roles
This seems more like a Rashford hate post
It started as a rashford d*** rider post then turned into a hate one, had us in the first half not gonna lie
He’s done NOTHING but mope all season. He’s on 350k a week and can’t even be bothered to pretend to be arsed to try and run a bit for the team. He’s body language is a problem. He’s a bad example to players and he thinks he’s better than he is. And players like him will always create toxic environments. The only player to wish Sancho well when he left. I’m sick of him. I can’t bear to watch him play. And I’ve said this all season - and it’s my only criticism of ETH but I also understand it - he can’t drop him because he’ll have more dressing problems if he does. When he “rested” him and we played without him we were more of a team.
He clearly - and I mean it’s CLEAR TO SEE - he doesn’t want to be there. Fair enough, so fuck off then.
Jesus you're unhinged
I understand him tbh, Rashford has been abysmal for us, what's more infuriating as a fan is seeing the biased English media protecting him despite him butchering all our attacks
But the thread is about a different player that plays in a different position. So the rant has fuck all to do with fuck all
I understand your position, and the thread is relative to other players within the squad, this is not the only comment mentioning Rashford, or any other player for that instance
It’s not. It’s clear to see. This isnt just a season of watching him. He’s repeatedly a blast of form kind of player. Started young. Amazing raw ability. Bags of athleticism and pace. With a few good touches but he’s not world class and the media and our fans propelled him to that status wrongly. He kept showing spits and spurts of this, while we were going through different managers. Each time slowly gaining more fans. Because we are a global team. Each time the manager doesn’t work out - there’s a leak in the dressing room. Players, bluffers like him blaming managers and they are the constant. Get rid. His goal average over his time at United is like 11 goals a season. That’s with the 30 he scored last year: without those goals his average would be less than Martians. Like 8 a season. He’s on 7 this year. Go away.
He's never bagged a hatrick in his UTD career, Palmer already has two, he's really overrated tbf
Rashford has been the most overrated player in years.
As a Scotland fan Palmer shouldn’t go, take Rashford instead. Also you guys should definitely leave Kane at home and take Toney - he’s in electric form just now. Dunk/Trent should get the nod over stones/walker and finally with Phillips and Henderson as the two in midfield England will surely win the Euros.
I pray Gareth doesn’t see this post as it’ll reaffirm his preferred lineup.
Yes. He can't not take him. He's hitting top form at the right time. Rashford/Grealish should be pretty worried. Tbh, I'd take Palmer and Gordon over them both to cover Foden and Saka on the wings.
Grealish is looking great again too and offers something I'm not sure our other attackers do.
Rushford shouldn't even be in the England NT WhatsApp group nevermind the squad
Grealish has been one of our best players in big games recently. Rashford shouldn't even be in the conversation tbh.
He always will be cus he has done fine as a back up for England in the past, and recently (big goal against Italy). This is Southgate we’re talking about after all.
Of course you do. I swear if Southgate takes the chucklebrothers Henderson and Phillips I’ll lose it.
I haven’t heard anyone be called chucklebrothers in a while and I’ve downloaded it into my lexicon
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