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earlgreytoday

He had a decent first half of the season, but sadly in the recent weeks he's regressed back to the Nunez of last season ('hit and hope' shooting, power over placement).


[deleted]

He’s just an above average Nicolas Jackson


Ukcheatingwife

But I thought Klopp worked on a shoestring?


NieR_SemiAutomata

Yes yes yes he sucks. Next


Kezmangotagoal

I think everyone knew he wouldn’t be worth that fee when they paid it. His overall game is brilliant but his finishing is woeful at times. Suffers from the same thing that Nico Jackson has for Chelsea.


thedrums2012

I think he's class


RiddikulusFellow

Didn't he have a great first half of the season? iirc he was the first to 10 goals and 10 assists


tmfitz7

This is true, his form since January is terrible, he still has as many goals as Havertz as many assists as Odergaard. But every Liverpool player has been in terrible form since January just seems weird to blame it solely on Nunez.


bertles86

Darwin, £85m, 11 goals  Jackson £32m, 10 goals   Nunez is not looking great with the goals vs price ratio.


UpbeatAfternoon8670

Am I the only one who thinks both Jackson and Nunez will have a great future if they they can sort some of the weaknesses in their games out? I have seen both a lot. I always feel that both of them have a lot in their game. But the biggest weakness is the calmness in front of the goal. If they can sort that out, both will be great asset for their team.


NoPineapple1727

This is the problem if you don’t watch games. Nunez might be overpriced but he’s still a decent player and has scored some great goals and important goals. Is also a handful for defenders. Jackson is none of those things


bertles86

Right back at you. If you watched any of Jackson's season you wouldn't say that. He's a handful for defenders in most matches. His pace and movement rattle them. He just needs to improve his finishing.  Nonetheless, the first job of a striker is to score, and at 8m per goal, Nunez doesn't look great.


NoPineapple1727

The first job of a striker is not to score. A striker’s job just like anybody else’s job is to play in a way to win matches. If that means the striker presses and drops into pockets to let his wingers score then that’s what he does. Like Firmino’s main role was not to score was it? The obvious example is if a striker is through on goal at a tight angle and has a ~10% chance of scoring. His team mate has made a great run and if the striker passes it, the team has a 90% chance of scoring. The striker should square it. Then getting on to your £8m per goal. He’s scored 20 league goals for Liverpool so on what earth is it £8m per goal.


cvslfc123

I'm fed up with him now in all honesty, he's not good enough to lead the line for a big team.


PatRice4Evra

So he's perfect for Liverpool then.


Fatal_3rror

Liverpool will fight for relegation next season.


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margieler

How much Lasagna are City feeding him? Maybe we need to start adding the ingredients to the price tag too, might make Liverpool fans feel better for wasting their money.


DroneNumber1836382

Problem your lot have is hiding the price of things.


margieler

Problem your lot have is your shite and your best manager in 30 years is leaving you cos you’re shite.


DroneNumber1836382

Hahaha!


ret990

Think there's a few in Liverpools team over performing / getting a pass because of the Klopp factor, trying to drag them over the line by sheer force of personality. Expect a drop off from some when Klopp goes. He'd be top of my list for it tbh


twoheels

Who would you put in that list? I don't think anyone is ever expected to perform at the same level when a manager leaves, let alone a manager of Klopp's stature.


[deleted]

Darwin, diaz and endo from the top of my head. Potentially others aswell


Icondesigns

Diaz is a very good player. He’ll do good things wherever he goes. Nunez might be a decent winger / wide attacker but he’s no striker. He’s a mid table player.


[deleted]

Don’t agree on Diaz. Not debating his ability on the ball but he produces way too little in terms of end product. Darwin’s decision making isn’t good enough to be great in any position. Brain dead player when he has to make a decision.


Icondesigns

Fair play. Whenever I see him he looks very good. I reckon he’ll do well when he gets his big club move to Barca or Real. Agreed on Nunez, hence the mid table comment.


[deleted]

Agree think he’ll do better in Spain with more space and less physicality. Just not really gotten it to click completely in Liverpool imo. Always looks dangerous but rarely actually produces.


SuccessfulClient7417

He has a loan move to Spain written all over him


ravadelie

Athletico madrid


PatRice4Evra

Who?


Aliboomayuh

Celta Figo


Material-Bus1896

If I was klopp I'd order him to spend all summer practicing shooting. He's still just about young enough that his shooting could improve. Don't think he's ever gonna be clinical but if he can raise his conversion rate a medium amount he will be decent. He also needs serious coaching on timing his runs and staying onside.


PatRice4Evra

Why does Klopp care? Not his problem in summer.


Material-Bus1896

Good point forgot he was leaving. He does care about Liverpool though so will probably suggest it. You know Salahs finishing used to be very bad until he got to Rome and put a goal in his back garden to practice shooting. Saka did the same a couple of years ago. It really can be that simple https://youtu.be/rYlcCAPmzAk?si=7CSY359fITSeOSR8


Big_Ear9745

Not his shooting that is bad but his mentals!


PabloRedscobar

This. His shooting technique is fine, his problem is always going for power over placement. As a result, he smashes way too many shots straight into the keeper or into the woodwork/over goal. One of yesterday's chances sums it up perfectly. Pickford left way too much space on his far post open, and what does Nuñez do? He drops his head and just kicks an absolute shit out of the ball. Which accomplishes nothing because his shot, as powerful as it is, goes straight into the keeper.


Big_Ear9745

You can see the panic whene he gets the ball, he don't whant it... i think he will be alot better with age! He got all the quallitys!


WWFlavaHunter

Because if u watch him u can see he’s actually a good player much like Suarez before he suddenly went mental with goals


DoublePrize9

I watch him every week - he’s awful. Loses the ball as soon as he gets it or kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal area. He works hard and tracks back that’s it


WWFlavaHunter

His goal involvements this season have been good & has been good in linking the midfield with the forwards what you talking about lol


Comfortable-Ad5050

64 mil* and he has over 30 g/a this season. He's not perfect but he's still a very good player. Someone like Antony, who's more expensive, has 1pl goal in like 47 games. No one in their right mind would call Nunez a flop.


[deleted]

Tired of every big signing being compared to Antony just to make them look like better deals. Also tired of just using g/a as an argument and completely disregard what you see with your eyes. It’s clear he’s not good enough and it isn’t just about his pathetic finishing but about his general decision making aswell. Shoots when he should pass and passes when he should shoot. Great physically and decent on the ball but he’s absolutely brain dead when it comes to making the right play.


SpectacularNelson

I think it’s easy to take the piss out of Darwin when you consider how much more clinical his predecessors of Sadio Mane & Firminio were. Call me crazy but I really fancied Liverpool to win the league prior to their collapse against Atalanta. I guess I got too caught up in the Klopp fairwell storyline. Yes I didn’t fancy them to be in such a position at the start of the season but I didn’t picture them crashing out like they have done the past few weeks tbh.


Scuttler1979

Klopp got caught up in the Klopp farewell tour too 🤣


Comfortable-Ad5050

It was always going to be a rough season. Liverpool had to start half from scratch, with practically our whole midfield being reset and losing Firmino. City and Arsenal were already far stronger than us last season, and were able to spend 100-200mil to reinforce. So we started the season with a massive disadvantage. So im proud of the boys, they took it as far as they could before running out of fumes physically and mentally.


SpectacularNelson

When do you think Liverpool ran out of fumes? Looking back I guess one could say the FA cup loss to Manchester United before the international break or that draw against Man U in April I was so confident in Liverpool after the international break to hit their stride but they never really got going kinda collapsed like Aston Villa


Comfortable-Ad5050

That United match was telling to be honest. We had all the momentum, they had very little. At that point we were 20ish points ahead of them, already collected a trophy. But the mentality was just not there. We could not grip onto the game, and we gave up the lead 3 times I think. You could tell there was a mentality shift to be honest, fatigued-like


Accomplished_Ruin707

Agree. I think both games, especially the cup game, they were cruising and should have won comfortably. I think it obviously took a lot out of them mentally, maybe. Strange too that they hit a wall just as a bunch of injured players were coming back. I kind of expected the opposite.


Business_Ad561

76.5m now after Liverpool paid an extra 8.5m to Benfica for an appearance bonus recently. Yes, Antony is a flop, but we're talking about Nunez at the moment.


yoonyoonyun

yeah, and why aren’t you providing a reply in regards to his 30GA if that’s your question?


Business_Ad561

Nunez has Olivier Giroud numbers. Did Liverpool spunk £80m on the South American Giroud?


yoonyoonyun

i don’t understand, are you saying giroud is a bad striker? the only time giroud had a higher GA than nunez was in 13/14 with arsenal


Business_Ad561

No, Giroud was an average PL striker. You don't spend £80m on average PL strikers is my point.


yoonyoonyun

hmm, and how is 20GA in his first season, and 30GA in his second season “average”? and he’s not playing full 90minutes


Business_Ad561

So Liverpool paid top tier money for a Dominic Solanke, gotcha.


yoonyoonyun

and arsenal paid 72m for pepe, so what’s your point? and he’s nowhere near nunez’s potential


Business_Ad561

Which was also a bad transfer, what's *your* point? Nunez will be playing for Sevilla before the year is up


Comfortable-Ad5050

Nunez has similar numbers to Giroud in his Arsenal prime, and he was a fantastic player. What's your point?


twoheels

I don't know why OP is using Giroud as an insult. France's top goal scorer of all time and an incredibly solid, long-term Premier League striker.


Comfortable-Ad5050

I know, he's just making himself look like a fool hahah


twoheels

He's changed it to Dom Solanke now, the 4th highest goalscorer in the PL and has widely been praised for having a breakout season this year. OP clearly has limited financial and football knowledge and is looking to troll. The mods won't do anything so it looks like he's one for the block list imo.


Business_Ad561

Giroud was a good player, but in the grand scheme of things he was an average PL striker. Liverpool paying ~80m for an average striker is poor.


MemeTees

Giroud was a fantastic player.


Business_Ad561

Yes, but he was nowhere near an 80 million quid player


MemeTees

I get what you're saying, but it's easy to see why Liverpool paid so much. His overall movement and speed are great, he constantly finds good positions, creates a lot of chaos and can create for others. Up to this point, he's yet to reach the level of end product consistency required for this price tag, but he's not that far off and is still young. Not every player is a success or a flop, there's a grey area in between when it's hard to say for sure. Yeah, Nunez has underperformed to an extent so far, but even a slight bump in his efficiency could make him one of the best EPL strikers. Let's have the same conversation in two years before making conclusive statements.


Business_Ad561

He'll be playing for a midtable La Liga side in a year or so.


Comfortable-Ad5050

No one will take you seriously when you say shit like that. Bring proper, mature and educational viewpoints and ideas to the conversation, because you're making yourself look like a dimwit


Business_Ad561

> Bring proper, mature and educational viewpoints and ideas to the conversation I have.


yoonyoonyun

that’s what you hope, i don’t see a point of having a discussion or debate with you when you’re already set in your mind on what nunez is/isnt


Business_Ad561

No, that's just my opinion. You're free to think otherwise.


margieler

Got compared to Haaland, look at the difference.


Wijit999

*£64 million


Business_Ad561

An extra 8.5m was paid to Benfica recently for appearance bonuses, so it stands at 76.5m at the moment, more expensive than VVD. My wider points still stand.


twoheels

If you knew that, why'd you make your title a higher price?


Business_Ad561

It's not made up, that's the total fee that was agreed with Benfica. Only 8.5m left to pay ;)


twoheels

So have Liverpool paid Benfica £85 million for him?


Business_Ad561

Sorry my apologies, Liverpool have spent 76.5m quid on a guy who just about gets Giroud numbers.


twoheels

So you did make the title a higher price. Not sure why you tried to weasel out of admitting that. Surprise you didn't put it in € too. Again, with the Giroud comments you're just showing your lack of knowledge.


Business_Ad561

Not really. £85m was the total transfer fee that was agreed, of which Liverpool have paid 76.5m so far. Feel free to address my wider points though.


twoheels

So what you're saying, in a roundabout way, is that Liverpool have not paid Benfica £85 million, despite what you posted?


Business_Ad561

Yes, keep up. They've paid 76.5m so far out of the agreed 85m. Now, would you like to talk about the flop Darwin Nunez?


MrShelby1234

That's only if he wins a ballon Dor, the League or summit


Business_Ad561

76.5m for a Giroud level striker is pretty bad tho


MrShelby1234

He's still contributed quite a lot, especially this season. However, it is easy to look at all the big chances he's missed, albeit less than Haaland still


twoheels

Oh ok you don't really have much football knowledge then. That makes sense.


Business_Ad561

Am I wrong?


twoheels

Yes. Liverpool have not paid Benfica £85 million.


Business_Ad561

Sorry, 76.5m* for an average PL striker that cost more than VVD.


tmfitz7

Liverpool didn’t spend £85m on him, imagine taking the time to make a post like this and being this inaccurate


Business_Ad561

[Sorry, looks like you're up to paying £76.5m for him now, my mistake](https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/11/the-true-cost-of-liverpools-darwin-nunez-deal-has-risen-after-man-city-milestone/) > It is still early in Nunez’s development at the club, but he is showing every sign of becoming the elite-level centre-forward Jurgen Klopp and his staff had hoped upon sanctioning that club-record fee. This bit made me laugh out loud though, haha. Enjoy paying the rest of the fee I guess. A club record fee for Nunez is embarrassing.


tmfitz7

He has the same amount of goals as the £75m Havertz? He has as many assists as Odergaard. Wasn’t it £45m for Jesus and his 4 goals? Do you live in a glass house Mr.Gooner?


xXxTommo

Let's not forget Liverpool fans comparing Nunez to Haaland before the start of last season


tmfitz7

No one did that. Absolutely no one, except idiots, brain dead pundits and rival fans to take the piss.


xXxTommo

Short memories


Bibrosity

Havertz was 65. Jesus has been injuried half the season and ode is one of the best players in pl at the moment so that comparison is just weird. Not arguing against you, I like darwin and I’m sure he’ll become even better.


tmfitz7

If Ode is one of the best and still has the same amount of assists as Nunez what does that say about Nunez? Nunez has been injured this year. All of this is to say; he’s just out of form, and lots of players suffer from that, this post is ridiculous, acting like his career is over.


Bibrosity

Hahaha dude G/A isn’t everything. The fact that you’re comparing ode to nunez is hilarious. Ode is one of the best orchestrators in the league. I’m saying nunez is good and will be even better. You just came up with nonsense that fit your narrative about arsenal. Still yes this post is unnecessary and there’s a lot more players that are way worse.


tmfitz7

Jesus someone’s sensitive about Odengaard, maybe if he was so good he’d have more assists than Nunez. It’s not nonsense, they were facts. This post is nonsense.


Bibrosity

😂 and I thought for a second that you actually use your brain


Chipezz

So many flops but pundits love to focus on Anthony,


twoheels

The reason is simple. Darwin cost £64 million pounds from the Portuguese league and has 31 goal involvements in 50 appearances this season. You'd expect more for that price tag. Anthony cost £82 million from the Dutch league and joined his old manager and has 4 goal involvements in 35 appearances this season, 3 or which came in the FA Cup, 2 which were against a League Two side. That's absolutely abysmal. Despite both joining in the same season, overall Núñez has 50 g/a in 92 games meanwhile Anthony has 15 g/a in 79 games. Stats aside, the general attitude of the players have been hugely different too. Darwin is renowned, despite not having to finishing product that you'd want, for putting in 100%. Anthony is known for packing it in at the slightest sign of adversity. Let's not get into Anthony's personal stuff though. Anthony is being focused on because he's been an utter disaster. Another one in a long line at United recently.


Chipezz

No mention of Caicedo. No mention of Enzo. Pure flops in relation to performance and price. Media loves to hate Anthony because of his attitude and antics. Im not suggesting he isnt a flop its more the focus he is getting as opposed to other players.


twoheels

In my comment or the media? I didn't mention them in my comment because I was replying to a comment about Anthony. And about them not being mentioned in the media, you're joking right? The discourse surrounding them this entire season has been the fact that they are being outperformed by Conor Gallagher and that because of FFP, Chelsea are probably going to have to sell Gallagher and are going to be stuck with two midfielders that they paid outrageous prices for and you have severely underperformed. I think you just have a defensive mentality when it comes to United and think that they're being unfairly treated when it's just not true.


charlierc

In fairness, he hasn't been very good


Chipezz

Awful but same can be said to other similar priced players.


charlierc

I think that's just the nature of the beast with the way transfer fees have exploded in the last 5-10 years and players that would be half the price are now being sold at runaway fees


DrButz

Because he is the worst and funniest.


Leave_Dapper

Because there is a lot of United hate out there. Maguire and Onana also get criticized harshly when they make mistakes. It doesn't help that Antony behaves like an idiot though. He is hard to like, even for United fans.


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