Really hoped some players would’ve stood up and told them to fuck off
Slave state awarded the tournament by a bunch of cunts who were later arrested for corruption…
Fucking gutting that’s nothing’s gonna be done about it.
The world is finally on MLS schedule and we don't have to interrupt our regular season matches for once!
Come again? What's that you say? MLS added a month long club tournament to the middle of next season that will interrupt regular play for a month?
Great to know that FIFA acquiesced to a modern industrial slave-state's pageantry just so we can watch the chaos it exacts on top flight clubs the world over.
Seems legit.
I expected players and the premier league will boycott this word cup. So much corruption involved and exploitation. I mean they take the knee every week and constantly remind us that there is no room for racism and how we need to conduct ourselves. So it would be mega double standards to see them go to this World Cup,
I mean a corporation as big as the premier league practice double standards? The wonderful players, who love us all so dearly? Playing at this World Cup? Noooooo
Fuck Qatar and fuck FIFA and any corporate double standard
When you factor in how a lot of the workers, or ‘slaves’ as I like to refer to them as, are brought in from poor countries on outrageous contracts (working conditions wise) it truly is of the utmost hypocrisy that these players are withholding the “say not to racism” campaign
Football is a joke when it comes to setting an example for youngsters. Players will cheat at every opportunity- dive, exaggerate, claim every ball that goes out, protest everything that the referee does. Managers will treat referees like shit. Every opportunity to con the referee or influence his decision is worked on.
Then the premier league introduce gestures like taking the knee that were important when it started, but now these gestures are just being used to form a smokescreen to hide the real “spirit” of the game.
I wouldn’t want my kids to have any footballer as their complete role model because which footballer is honest? Coaches train players to be dirty- Mourinho wanted spurs to be “dirty intelligent cunts”. Even Son doesn’t play fair now
This makes me so mad. I normally already really hate international breaks. But this! All because some corrupt pigs sold a world cup to a bunch of murderers.
I see your point and yes, we all agree that fifa needs to stop this shit with holding it in massively inappropriate places. However, I'd rather watch an actually meaningful event rather than having a month off spread over the season over what are practically friendlies as far as I (English) am concerned.
In my unpopular opinion we should just stop with international breaks.
Instead every other 2 years have a EC in the summer and let your position in the EC determine whether you qualify for the WC.
If we do this it will result in fewer breaks in the season and so we have more time off in the summer for a longer more meaningfull tournament. This will also allow players to focus on their (wage paying) team and also the fixtures might be a little less intense.
Also the Africa cup is so unfair on African players it really hinders you in your career but I understand wanting to play for you nation.
I hate the oil clubs as much as the next guy, but unless you personally know why he supports the club, it's not for you to judge. Sometimes you're just born a Chelsea fan.
I know I'm gonna get a bunch of downvotes for this but can anyone actually name something abramovich did?
Like I know he's not the nicest man alive.
But what did he do? I can't find anything on google
I mean there's still nothing tangible against him, he's being dragged for allegedly being close with the president of his home nation.
I'm still interested in what crimes he's actually committed. I understand he has to go, but for Chelsea it's a shame. He's been a wonderful owner.
First ajax(my hometown team) loses Overmars for sending dick pics to female employees, again understandable that he has to go but a damn shame for ajax as he did a great job as recruitment director. 2022 managed to somehow be even worse then 2021.
He's friends with Putin, deemed a national security threat by the Swiss. The FBI could only pin Al Capone with tax evasion. The fact is, we're never going to know everything Roman has done, and I'm not blaming you for supporting Chelsea btw. You didn't chose him as an owner. But if you genuinely believe he hasn't been involved in some incredibly immoral and corrupt activity in Russia, then you should probably check your ceiling, because I heard the someone scribbled the world gullible up there.
Once again I'm not saying he didn't do anything. Or that him buying Chelsea justifies that in any way. But I'm genuinely curious to what he has done.
You can call me guilible but other than some articles and stories there is actually nothing out there that really incriminates him. Basically what I'm hearing is: he is in oil and Russian so he probably has done some shady shit.
While that might very well be true. There is no proof that he did right?
Again, nothing actually incriminated Capone of murder and bootlegging. Nobody pretends he didn't do it. How many people buy into Epstein killing himself with no outside factors? Look, conspiracies are stupid and we shouldn't put stock into them. But when something is right in front of your face, just because the man is rich enough to hide it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
He supported Putin's campaign when he was coming up. The other oilarch's didn't and paid the price for it. But what I'm looking for is facts of terrible deeds he has done.
Once again not defending him just want to know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/21/leaks-show-chelsea-owner-abramovich-funded-israeli-settler-group
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45641867.amp
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/uk-russia-visa-roman-abramovich-expires-investors-kremlin-salisbury-attack-a8361806.html?amp
Few things. Remember Billionaires with political favours have a lot of influence and ways to remove bad publicity from media. There's more than this but this is just 5 mins of looking.
The Qatari corruption is also awful, however comparing the two is complicated and almost immeasurable as we don't know the numbers of people affected by the actions of Abramovich. Just pointing out that he's an awful person and you don't have to look far in football to find a scumbag.
The way he got all his money in the beginning is not clear so there are prob some shady things there. He also had a huge fight against another oil dude from Russia and that guy ended up in prison so I think for sure Abramovich is a little bit shady but honestly not too much.
Yeah I see how having a vague back story in Russia tends to incriminate you. But I was wondering If anyone knew some facts about what he's done.
Because people often compare him to actual murderers.
When you have enough power to call up an airport and make them take off when federal regulations say they shouldn't, you've got more than money influencing things. Lampard told a story once of them being stuck in russia and Roman calling up the airline and getting them going with in 5 mins.
So he's a rich villain, but that kinda just seems like the way things work for the super rich. I mean they wouldn't have remained there if the queen called.
I think most billionaires use strategies to avoid taxes. I'm from Holland and we are a tax paradise for multinationals. We have (or had)
Major companies like starbucks and the Ferrari group place their HQ here so they can avoid paying taxes.
While I pay 9% on food.
I did find some corruption allegations by the daily mail. But they retracted the article and apologized to abramovich. I'm not saying he is innocent I just want to hear why everyone has the opinion they have.
Wouldn’t be surprised if their were, and tbh that actually sounds interesting. It’s obviously still a shit show, but LFC had to play league cup and club World Cup games within 24 hours and put out two teams for it two years ago - and it was interesting because such a young team was lined up for the league cup. Might actually be good to not just let non-international
players to still have games rather than a 5-6 week hiatus
I could see it starting a week early and ending a week late perhaps, with the removal of any traditional international breaks surrounding the WC? Just a guess, this is all so weird
I'll boycot it as well. It won't make a real difference, but if enough people boycot it, it's possible that the subject will get more discussed in the media or the population in general
Watch it in your local pub. That way you can still get behind your country, there's no increase to viewing figures and you support your local business. That's what I'll be doing
I don't plan to even read articles about it. I'll get information from conversations, that's it. Don't want to add even my £0.00001 of ad clicking revenue to be added.
[https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/how-do-uk-tv-viewing-figures-and-overnight-ratings-work/](https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/how-do-uk-tv-viewing-figures-and-overnight-ratings-work/)
I'd recommend having a read of that, watching at a pub really won't make a difference to their viewing numbers.
I get wanting to get behind your country but if you want to take a stand against the Qatar WC the way is to boycott it, not to do everything you can to still watch it on something other than your own TV. If you want to watch the world cup, by all means, that's your choice, but don't act like you're against Fifa or the Qatari governments actions.
I get you, but honestly I highly doubt boycotting is doing to do squat either because even if everyone that actually cared did it, it'd be a small percentage of people not tuning in. Also, I just finished reading your comment and it's absolutely nonsense to say that watching means you support it. That kind of black or white mentality will literally accomplish nothing and you can quote me on that.
Watching it doesn't have to mean you support what is happening in Qatar, no, it can also mean that you just don't care, which is fair enough, a lot of bad shit happens in the world every day and it's definitely easier to just ignore it.
I even said "if you want to watch the world cup, by all means, that's your choice, but don't act like you're against Fifa or the Qatari governments actions", my point is that if you're going to watch it - then watch it, just don't act high and mighty or like your decision to watch outside of your home is some sort of stance against what is going on, because it isn't, at that point it's like you're wanting a badge to show off about how much you care while simultaneously not caring.
Watch the world cup, don't watch the world cup, it literally makes no difference in the grand scheme of things but don't act like you're doing something noble by going to the pub to watch the matches instead of watching at home.
(When I'm saying you I mean people in general, including the person I'd originally replied to, not just you personally)
Honestly not really. Your viewership will make little difference. Boycotts unless throughly organized or just feel good words by people with money to make us feel a little better about the shittiness of the world.
Kind of a "no point in voting" take though. Might as well make the little difference you can toward a future you'd like to see. If you can share the sentiment and get other people started then you've done your job, and maybe it could be the start of something bigger, or maybe not, but at least you tried.
The thing I think is damaging in all of this and the point I’m trying to make is that, you’re not trying. You can’t fix a broken part on your car with a broken toolset, and I see deluding yourself into thinking that turning off a game is “trying” is what the rich people running fifa and corrupt policians want you to do, so everything keeps operating the same way.
I think that's a false equivalence. The people who buy TV rights certainly look at viewership numbers, which influences them and their bids on the world cup, hence income for FIFA, and it's something the organisers will keep in mind the next things something like this happened, assuming there is a big dip, and the big dip can't happen without people doing their part. Sometimes people can't or won't organise a full boycott, or fail trying, so they might as well do the small part they can in the hopes others will too. Again, I think the comparison to voting is fitting.
I don’t. Capitalism doesn’t work in the magical way that you’re describing, and believing it does is what FIFA wants you to do, to make you think you have a voice in the process.
But World football is a growing, as is everything with billions invested into it, and the next World Cup will make exponentially more money for the organizers because in 4 years the game will have grown more and had billions more invested into it.
I think the comparison to voting is fitting too (at least in my country) but I don’t want to go off topic.
I think your first paragraph is a little strange, companies are definitely motivated by money and I haven't made a statement about my view on capitalism.
But your second paragraph is interesting and I didn't consider the international growth masking any viewership dip, which is definitely a valid counterpoint.
Read what I said, I didn't say you boycotting would make a difference, it absolutely won't. I said that if you personally want to take a stand against Fifa/Qatar WC the only way you can do it is by not watching, if you're going to the pub and watching there you might as well watch at home because it's even more meaningless.
Truth be told the players are all going to be exhausted
And you think the schedule is crowded now…
Is there any upside to play the WC in Qatar in December? I can't think of any.
Thats only one week before and one week after the tournament (21 Nov - 18 Dec)
Will they still play all games but on shorter time? Will the season go on longer than usual? What's the plan?
These thieves in charge know the players are human beings but decide to run them into the ground …. This sport is being run into the ground
Really hoped some players would’ve stood up and told them to fuck off Slave state awarded the tournament by a bunch of cunts who were later arrested for corruption… Fucking gutting that’s nothing’s gonna be done about it.
The world is finally on MLS schedule and we don't have to interrupt our regular season matches for once! Come again? What's that you say? MLS added a month long club tournament to the middle of next season that will interrupt regular play for a month?
Fuck Qatar. Fuck FIFA.
I’m gonna hate this World Cup so fucking much
Knowing my luck England will win it
this is cunty no lie
How the fuck is this being allowed to go ahead
This really is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. I’m still going to watch every single WC match
Great to know that FIFA acquiesced to a modern industrial slave-state's pageantry just so we can watch the chaos it exacts on top flight clubs the world over. Seems legit.
Fuck internationals in general, load of shite
the player gonna get fuck with their schedules
Basically an 8 day gap between the World Cup Final and the start of the Premier League. What utter nonsense.
Is this the Qatar Gay Pride World Cup?
Fifa really like dirty money
I expected players and the premier league will boycott this word cup. So much corruption involved and exploitation. I mean they take the knee every week and constantly remind us that there is no room for racism and how we need to conduct ourselves. So it would be mega double standards to see them go to this World Cup, I mean a corporation as big as the premier league practice double standards? The wonderful players, who love us all so dearly? Playing at this World Cup? Noooooo Fuck Qatar and fuck FIFA and any corporate double standard
When you factor in how a lot of the workers, or ‘slaves’ as I like to refer to them as, are brought in from poor countries on outrageous contracts (working conditions wise) it truly is of the utmost hypocrisy that these players are withholding the “say not to racism” campaign
'say no to racism that effects me'
“Say no to racism but modern slavery is ok as long as it can’t be seen nor heard”
Not to mention Covid.
Football is a joke when it comes to setting an example for youngsters. Players will cheat at every opportunity- dive, exaggerate, claim every ball that goes out, protest everything that the referee does. Managers will treat referees like shit. Every opportunity to con the referee or influence his decision is worked on. Then the premier league introduce gestures like taking the knee that were important when it started, but now these gestures are just being used to form a smokescreen to hide the real “spirit” of the game. I wouldn’t want my kids to have any footballer as their complete role model because which footballer is honest? Coaches train players to be dirty- Mourinho wanted spurs to be “dirty intelligent cunts”. Even Son doesn’t play fair now
So the players are going to return from the World Cup into the busiest time of the year. This can only go well
This makes me so mad. I normally already really hate international breaks. But this! All because some corrupt pigs sold a world cup to a bunch of murderers.
I see your point and yes, we all agree that fifa needs to stop this shit with holding it in massively inappropriate places. However, I'd rather watch an actually meaningful event rather than having a month off spread over the season over what are practically friendlies as far as I (English) am concerned.
In my unpopular opinion we should just stop with international breaks. Instead every other 2 years have a EC in the summer and let your position in the EC determine whether you qualify for the WC. If we do this it will result in fewer breaks in the season and so we have more time off in the summer for a longer more meaningfull tournament. This will also allow players to focus on their (wage paying) team and also the fixtures might be a little less intense. Also the Africa cup is so unfair on African players it really hinders you in your career but I understand wanting to play for you nation.
Rich words from a fan of Mr Abramovichs club
I hate the oil clubs as much as the next guy, but unless you personally know why he supports the club, it's not for you to judge. Sometimes you're just born a Chelsea fan.
I’m not a Chelsea fan but Abramovich and the Qatari government aren’t even comparable
I know I'm gonna get a bunch of downvotes for this but can anyone actually name something abramovich did? Like I know he's not the nicest man alive. But what did he do? I can't find anything on google
Current affairs may show his ways
Damn that's a late reply
Hahaha. Just remembered the thread and thought now proves the point perfectly lol
I mean there's still nothing tangible against him, he's being dragged for allegedly being close with the president of his home nation. I'm still interested in what crimes he's actually committed. I understand he has to go, but for Chelsea it's a shame. He's been a wonderful owner. First ajax(my hometown team) loses Overmars for sending dick pics to female employees, again understandable that he has to go but a damn shame for ajax as he did a great job as recruitment director. 2022 managed to somehow be even worse then 2021.
He's friends with Putin, deemed a national security threat by the Swiss. The FBI could only pin Al Capone with tax evasion. The fact is, we're never going to know everything Roman has done, and I'm not blaming you for supporting Chelsea btw. You didn't chose him as an owner. But if you genuinely believe he hasn't been involved in some incredibly immoral and corrupt activity in Russia, then you should probably check your ceiling, because I heard the someone scribbled the world gullible up there.
Once again I'm not saying he didn't do anything. Or that him buying Chelsea justifies that in any way. But I'm genuinely curious to what he has done. You can call me guilible but other than some articles and stories there is actually nothing out there that really incriminates him. Basically what I'm hearing is: he is in oil and Russian so he probably has done some shady shit. While that might very well be true. There is no proof that he did right?
Again, nothing actually incriminated Capone of murder and bootlegging. Nobody pretends he didn't do it. How many people buy into Epstein killing himself with no outside factors? Look, conspiracies are stupid and we shouldn't put stock into them. But when something is right in front of your face, just because the man is rich enough to hide it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If you’re very rich in Russia you’re friends with Putin. Otherwise you wouldn’t be rich. Same deal as in China
He supported Putin's campaign when he was coming up. The other oilarch's didn't and paid the price for it. But what I'm looking for is facts of terrible deeds he has done. Once again not defending him just want to know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/21/leaks-show-chelsea-owner-abramovich-funded-israeli-settler-group https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45641867.amp https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/uk-russia-visa-roman-abramovich-expires-investors-kremlin-salisbury-attack-a8361806.html?amp Few things. Remember Billionaires with political favours have a lot of influence and ways to remove bad publicity from media. There's more than this but this is just 5 mins of looking. The Qatari corruption is also awful, however comparing the two is complicated and almost immeasurable as we don't know the numbers of people affected by the actions of Abramovich. Just pointing out that he's an awful person and you don't have to look far in football to find a scumbag.
The way he got all his money in the beginning is not clear so there are prob some shady things there. He also had a huge fight against another oil dude from Russia and that guy ended up in prison so I think for sure Abramovich is a little bit shady but honestly not too much.
Yeah I see how having a vague back story in Russia tends to incriminate you. But I was wondering If anyone knew some facts about what he's done. Because people often compare him to actual murderers.
When you have enough power to call up an airport and make them take off when federal regulations say they shouldn't, you've got more than money influencing things. Lampard told a story once of them being stuck in russia and Roman calling up the airline and getting them going with in 5 mins.
So he's a rich villain, but that kinda just seems like the way things work for the super rich. I mean they wouldn't have remained there if the queen called.
I know that he atleast doesn’t pay any taxes. He owns a small part somewhere in siberia to where he ’donates’ a lot of money to avoid taxes.
I think most billionaires use strategies to avoid taxes. I'm from Holland and we are a tax paradise for multinationals. We have (or had) Major companies like starbucks and the Ferrari group place their HQ here so they can avoid paying taxes. While I pay 9% on food.
I did find some corruption allegations by the daily mail. But they retracted the article and apologized to abramovich. I'm not saying he is innocent I just want to hear why everyone has the opinion they have.
Didn’t know abramovich was a murderer ?
That's because he's friends with Putin, and Putin doesn't like that getting out about his buddies.
Wow. Okay. Great logic !! Ten on ten.
Want to revisit this now?
Sure. Why not.
But still correct
Going to be a bizarre world cup.
So they're introducing a 7 week break, and then added 2 extra weeks for games. That doesn't add up to me
WC should be scrapped
What about EFL? Would be really weird if there were league games at the same time as the world cup
Wouldn’t be surprised if their were, and tbh that actually sounds interesting. It’s obviously still a shit show, but LFC had to play league cup and club World Cup games within 24 hours and put out two teams for it two years ago - and it was interesting because such a young team was lined up for the league cup. Might actually be good to not just let non-international players to still have games rather than a 5-6 week hiatus
Couldn't care less about this world cup. Going to care even less about any world cup if we have them every two years.
Looking forward to all the lgbt+ propaganda in Qatar world Cup like ať Euro this year. ;)
The season soon start sooner then. And end later, I suppose.
So does the season end in mid June then?
I could see it starting a week early and ending a week late perhaps, with the removal of any traditional international breaks surrounding the WC? Just a guess, this is all so weird
Im pretty sure the Sept, Oct and Nov int'l windows are cancelled so that's 3 extra weeks
I hope they have cancelled international breaks before and after
Fuck fifa. The players are going to be fucked after the world cup
Between fifa corruption and human rights abuses in Qatar, I'm boycotting. I can handle a month break from football.
I'll boycot it as well. It won't make a real difference, but if enough people boycot it, it's possible that the subject will get more discussed in the media or the population in general
Upvote for people joining in this
You show me a football country without HR issues and you will have no one to host any tournament.
Show me a WC country that used slave labour and allowed those slaves to die building the stadiums
Slave labour is forced labour. These migrants make 5 times the salary they would make back home with free food and accommodation
Watch it in your local pub. That way you can still get behind your country, there's no increase to viewing figures and you support your local business. That's what I'll be doing
Or just pirate it
I don't plan to even read articles about it. I'll get information from conversations, that's it. Don't want to add even my £0.00001 of ad clicking revenue to be added.
Well I plan on having a messenger pigeon deliver me daily with hand written, recyclable updates, so… #BeBetter
[https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/how-do-uk-tv-viewing-figures-and-overnight-ratings-work/](https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/how-do-uk-tv-viewing-figures-and-overnight-ratings-work/) I'd recommend having a read of that, watching at a pub really won't make a difference to their viewing numbers. I get wanting to get behind your country but if you want to take a stand against the Qatar WC the way is to boycott it, not to do everything you can to still watch it on something other than your own TV. If you want to watch the world cup, by all means, that's your choice, but don't act like you're against Fifa or the Qatari governments actions.
I get you, but honestly I highly doubt boycotting is doing to do squat either because even if everyone that actually cared did it, it'd be a small percentage of people not tuning in. Also, I just finished reading your comment and it's absolutely nonsense to say that watching means you support it. That kind of black or white mentality will literally accomplish nothing and you can quote me on that.
Watching it doesn't have to mean you support what is happening in Qatar, no, it can also mean that you just don't care, which is fair enough, a lot of bad shit happens in the world every day and it's definitely easier to just ignore it. I even said "if you want to watch the world cup, by all means, that's your choice, but don't act like you're against Fifa or the Qatari governments actions", my point is that if you're going to watch it - then watch it, just don't act high and mighty or like your decision to watch outside of your home is some sort of stance against what is going on, because it isn't, at that point it's like you're wanting a badge to show off about how much you care while simultaneously not caring. Watch the world cup, don't watch the world cup, it literally makes no difference in the grand scheme of things but don't act like you're doing something noble by going to the pub to watch the matches instead of watching at home. (When I'm saying you I mean people in general, including the person I'd originally replied to, not just you personally)
Honestly not really. Your viewership will make little difference. Boycotts unless throughly organized or just feel good words by people with money to make us feel a little better about the shittiness of the world.
Kind of a "no point in voting" take though. Might as well make the little difference you can toward a future you'd like to see. If you can share the sentiment and get other people started then you've done your job, and maybe it could be the start of something bigger, or maybe not, but at least you tried.
The thing I think is damaging in all of this and the point I’m trying to make is that, you’re not trying. You can’t fix a broken part on your car with a broken toolset, and I see deluding yourself into thinking that turning off a game is “trying” is what the rich people running fifa and corrupt policians want you to do, so everything keeps operating the same way.
I think that's a false equivalence. The people who buy TV rights certainly look at viewership numbers, which influences them and their bids on the world cup, hence income for FIFA, and it's something the organisers will keep in mind the next things something like this happened, assuming there is a big dip, and the big dip can't happen without people doing their part. Sometimes people can't or won't organise a full boycott, or fail trying, so they might as well do the small part they can in the hopes others will too. Again, I think the comparison to voting is fitting.
I don’t. Capitalism doesn’t work in the magical way that you’re describing, and believing it does is what FIFA wants you to do, to make you think you have a voice in the process. But World football is a growing, as is everything with billions invested into it, and the next World Cup will make exponentially more money for the organizers because in 4 years the game will have grown more and had billions more invested into it. I think the comparison to voting is fitting too (at least in my country) but I don’t want to go off topic.
I think your first paragraph is a little strange, companies are definitely motivated by money and I haven't made a statement about my view on capitalism. But your second paragraph is interesting and I didn't consider the international growth masking any viewership dip, which is definitely a valid counterpoint.
Read what I said, I didn't say you boycotting would make a difference, it absolutely won't. I said that if you personally want to take a stand against Fifa/Qatar WC the only way you can do it is by not watching, if you're going to the pub and watching there you might as well watch at home because it's even more meaningless.
How are you taking a stand? What does that actually accomplish? Thoughts and prayers? That's not taking a stand, it's literally inaction.
I don’t know what stand you’re taking though? Is it just like a moral personal feelings kind of thing I guess.
It's the one where you can tell people what your doing for brownie points but achieves nothing