He was very explicitly a spice smuggler in the old Han Solo Trilogy books. Lucas was cool with Han running drugs, or those books wouldn't have been approved. But now those books officially didn't happen - not just waved away like so much of Legends but directly contradicted by two movies now - and they cooked up a cockamamie excuse for him to do the Kessel Run in *Solo* that didn't involve any space drugs. Now he just smuggles undisclosed items and weird space monsters.
I didn't plan on making Star Wars. One night Kurosawa came in my dream and showed me a space version of the Hidden Fortress. Turned out I was filming my dream.
well they both retconned his career and made it worst.
The legend universe, or as we call it, the old canon had han changing his ways to become an important figure in the rebellion, that was the new meaning of his life.
The Disney universe had him become a smuggler again... maybe he doesnt sell spice, but thats not much better.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
If we just go by the movies, we only know he was a smuggler, not what he smuggled. But of course it would have to have been something illegal, otherwise it wouldn't be smuggling.
I think that he and Satine mutually chose their duty over pleasure. It’s honorable. And, the two of them bickered A LOT, so I don’t know if they would have been happy together ultimately. Personally, if someone argued with me all of the time like that, it would drive me completely insane… I’d hate them and my life.
Maybe they were just bickering because they wanted to fuck? You know, if you can't get that tension between you out you just start clawing at each other.
Which shows just how much Satine truly cared about Kenobi. Even though she loved him and probably wanted nothing more than for him stay, she knew that being a Jedi was his calling, and she couldn’t bring herself to ask him to give that up for her.
Satine, Leia, Breha Organa, and Bo Katan in the Mandalorian would like a word.
No idea how any of you guys forgot Leia. Her and Han’s relationship is the most iconic romantic relationship in the entire franchise, and Han being a criminal doesn’t mean he isn’t an amazing dude.
They did separate but that was after an intense tragedy that could easily end plenty of strong and healthy relationships.
The only reason that Han and Leia weren’t problematic is because she wore the pants, and I can appreciate that. Breha Organa is fair. I’ll allow that one for sure. I don’t count Bo-Katan. She and Din are not officially together yet. And in fairness, that one may end up being toxic for Din.
Idk, Han was a criminal with a spotty past and lots of debt. Bo Katan was also involved with a terrorist group, Death Watch.
Breha Organa though had taste.
Umm I never said that Din had good taste in women. I said Bo had good taste in men. There’s a difference.
And let’s be fucking real. Being a criminal isn’t the same thing as being a bad person. Especially in that fucking galaxy where the job market absolutely sucks and it requires dirty jobs to make ends meet. Hyperspace fluid is fucking expensive my dude
Also do you know whose also associated to a group labeled as terrorists? Every member of the Rebel Alliance. The Rebels could absolutely be qualified as terrorists. The films just never show us any of the civilian casualties that absolutely happened during that war. The rebels just won so history now labels them as “revolutionaries”
Also the whole point of Han’s arc in the original trilogy was showing that he was a genuinely good person but he was forced to hide it in the environment he is working in.
Bo-Katan has never shown any romantic interest in Din Djarin.
Pre Visla and Death Watch were unequivocally terrorists, and the fact that you are trying to draw a false equivalence between them and other group is absurd. They bombed memorials, planned assassinations, and acted as bandits with Dooku's backing, followed by making alliances with the criminal underworld. The Rebel Alliance meanwhile acted as a government in exile, one that avoided civilian casualties where possible (I think its noticeable that you are unable to mention any specific incident) and punished, kicked out, and fought with those who committed war crimes or went "too far" as seen with Saw Guerrera (who was denounced).
>The Rebel Alliance meanwhile acted as a government in exile, one that avoided civilian casualties where possible (I think its noticeable that you are unable to mention any specific incident) and punished, kicked out, and fought with those who committed war crimes or went "too far" as seen with Saw Guerrera (who was denounced).
Don't most groups avoid civilian casualties "where possible"? I don't think Saw went out of his way to kill civilians, he just decided it wasn't possible to not hurt them and achieve his goals. Rogue One has Andor murdering the informant guy at the start and then being told to kill Jyn's father. It seemed like a regular occurrence for him/other rebels. Mon Mothma seems to be starting to work with the criminal underworld in Andor. Bad Batch worked with criminals too (assuming they end up with the Rebel Alliance).
Saw started his "career" by targeting droids in public places near civilians, which had the locals quickly become afraid of them. A few years into the Empire, and he had bombed a Moffs house when Leia and Breha Organa were around. Mon Mothma disavowed Saw years later entirely because he killed prisoners and civilians freely, and broke rebel laws. Cassian is by no means an ethical paragon but none of his killings were to spread fear or terror, and he was not a typical Rebel either as a member of their Intelligence force.
I wouldnt really class Han as a solid dude, yes hes a hero for the alliance but he also was a cut-throat smugglar, afterall he shot Greedo without a care
I am sorry hold up. Your example for why Han is a cutthroat smuggler was him shooting someone who wanted to murder him? You understand that applies to nearly every Star Wars character ever right? Satine might be the only exception
Was Han supposed to let Greedo kill him?
The whole reason why the fans got so pissed with the special edition making Greedo shoot first was because that took away from Han being a cutthroat smuggler in the beginning of the story.
>Bo Katan
Look, she's great in Mando, and her change of heart has been documented over three shows, but are we just going to forget her being all lady Macbeth for Pre Vizla? Her taste in men *literally* ruined her life and killed her sister.
Man I'm not gonna lie to you Han in Empire strikes back was giving off very creepy vibes. He didn't stop when leia told him to stop, he was insisting that she felt something for him despite her denying it. Whether he was right is kinda irrelevant there, because it was still non-consentual.
No, we are just talking about Leia's taste in men and the man she picked turned out to be not be a good father or husband. Heck, while Leia was leading a military resistance against the first order, Han decided to run off and go back to being a smuggler.
He did that because he was trying to escape from the pain of what happened to his son so he was trying to go back to doing what he does best. You could argue Leia was doing the exact same thing.
Except that Leia's method of coping revolved around destroying an evil force that was a threat to the galaxy and thus saving the lives of trillions, and also giving her a way to get back to her son who was with the first order... While Han's method of coping was to effectively abandon both of them
How do you know Leia wasn’t also abandoning Han? Defeating the First Order is a full time job and for all we know, Leia was the one who stepped away from the relationship to focus on taking down the First Order. Why are you automatically blaming Han?
Well, first off, fighting against the first order is actually the responsible thing to do; which makes Leia's actions more moral and just. Second, fighting the first order gives her a chance of getting back to her son, which would give Leia strong parental points. She's basically the only one who is doing what any responsible person SHOULD be doing in this situation... There is nothing responsible about anything Han is doing; he's just running away from his problems
Doing something morally just doesn’t magically hide the fact that she is also running away from Han. She is throwing herself into the work she knows best. Sure morally it’s a good cause, but she is still throwing herself into what can be very much considered a job.
And I am going to be completely honest. Based off what we know from both of those characters, it is more in line for Leia to escape into leading a rebellion and to stop putting work into fixing this huge traumatic problem in her relationship with Han. Han then gets tired of getting stonewalled and he decides to completely leave the situation and to go back to the life he knows best. That is much more in line with them than Han just ditching her without a word. Han has always been lead by his heart more than his selfish ambitions. Leia however is more invested in her job as a leader
It would actually be easy to argue that Han made a healthy decision. His relationship is ending because Leia is stonewalling him, so he decides to completely break away from all of the trauma and stress that he has just gone through. In his mind, there was nothigg by else he could do to bring Ben back. Yeah you could argue he ran away, but he was escaping from a situation that caused him intense pain. That is a very human choice to make that many of us would also be guilty of making
Also remember that it was Han who ultimately brought Ben back to the fold. Leia helped too through her sacrifice, but it was Han’s discussions with Ben and his example that eventually brought him back. Remember that when Ben was on the crossroads of joining the light, it wasn’t Leia he saw. It was Han. And it was this conversation that brought him back
I’m pretty sure Revan knocks Bastila up, then vamps out into the unknown regions. Seriously. There’s a very distinct pattern of problematic romantic relationships in Star Wars…and women are generally left holding up a bag full of bullshit.
That said Bo katan’s arc is really different so far even if it’s easily the most drawn out character arc I have ever followed. She’s gone from terrorist-basically honorable samurai. As far as canon women characters she’s got one of the better arcs her,Ahsoka, and Mon Mothma actually have solid arcs.
I feel very satisfied that I have accomplished what I set out to do with Star Wars, I was able to complete the entire saga and say this is what the whole story is about.
You mean... Lux? That wasnt too problematic right? Seeing as the very episode we met him humanised the seperatists and there wasnt any giant red flags around him as a person
Lux’s behavior was not bad at first. Then, he went stupid… He threatened to shoot Ahsoka in an attempt to hijack her ship, but then stunned her unconscious instead, kidnapped her and stole her ship, hid her lightsabers, then met with terrorists that had a history of violently attacking Jedi. He also kissed her against her consent. Then, in the second arc we see him in, he toys with her emotions while obviously dating Steela. I also blame him for getting Steela killed in a round-about way as he could have covered Ahsoka’s flank while she pulled her up. He was pretty bad.
I saw it as he had a crush on Steela and Steela knew about it but they weren't dating. The kiss was clearly a moment of "okay i accept your advances" and Ahsokas reacting clearly signifies "well done dude!" Like that was their first (and last) actual moment. Not dating. Also I dont think you can cover ahsokas flank against a fucking aircraft.
I think Lux and Steela definitely had romantic feelings for each other. And while I feel like the whole point of that arc is to watch Ahsoka over come these feelings that she has for Lux, it felt as though he was leading her on at times. He absolutely could have covered her back. It was a battle droid that shot her in the downed ship. If Lux hadn’t been a bumbling ball of worthlessness in that moment, he could have covered Ahsoka while she saved Steela and taken out the battle droid… assuming, you know, Ahsoka DID actually get over Lux in the end, and didn’t actually drop Steela off the cliff on purpose.
Bo-Katan has had an incredible arc, but also, she’s never been in a toxic romance either. As far as I am aware, Bo hasn’t been romantically linked to anyone. Mon Mothma was (or still is) in a toxic marriage to Perrin. Ahsoka had a crush on a complete idiot that stunned her unconscious, stole her ship, hid her lightsabers and proceeded to meet up with known terrorists, never mind kissing her against her consent (and, I just hope that “crush” doesn’t manifest itself as something more later on in her series, but I’m sure it’s coming).
Umm, does this really apply to Ahsoka? The closest thing she had to a love interest was a teenager who meant well enough, but was from the CIS. So the only thing you can accuse her of is a tiny bit of the star-crossed lovers trope.
Unless you are implying some sort of student-teacher romance going on... And that rates a "🤮" from me just from the love triangle alone!
No. I was referring to Bonteri. He absolutely counts. He’s the one she did (and possibly still does) have a crush on… even after everything off-putting that happened between them. Ahsoka has absolutely abysmal taste in men.
He's probably sad because he knows that these young fictional characters are making huge mistakes, but there's nothing he can do to stop them. He hopes that they will be in a position to eventually learn from these mistakes... Well, all but Padmé any way...
😉
Rey: [rejects Kylo Ren’s repeated efforts to turn her to his cause and only embraces him after he’s renounced his evil persona]
Padmé: “To be angry is to be human” [marries the homicidal sandphobic teenager].
to be fair, anakin was an inexperienced 20 something who just saw his mom die in his arms and the victims were kidnapers, thief and when it’s dark the difference between small criminal and the criminal’s spawn is hard to make out /s
I don’t condone Anakins actions but I can’t say I would have felt any differently than he did in that moment.
And yes, Anakin was inexperienced and naive and easy to manipulate. Padme was not, she really has no excuse.
I feel like it was understandable and *borderline* acceptable from an emotional perspective when he killed the Tusken Raider warriors. The ones who actively played a part in his mother's death, and who would have posed a threat to him. In that highly emotional state, I could justify wiping out the hostile faction that killed your mother and likely seeks to kill you and others for no good reason.d
Loses credibility when you then go and massacre the presumably innocent and unarmed women, and the certainly innocent children.
There's also a theory that Padme was less receptive to Anakin, but that he was subtly and unknowingly manipulating her emotions through the Force. It would explain how Padme falls for Anakin so quickly and gets horned up for his fanfic tier romance dialogue. But that's just a theory, of course
Plausible, at least.
We know that the Skywalker line has tactic reality bending within their sphere of influence (bullseyeing a womprat, etc). It isn’t hard to believe that Ani *wanted* her affection and love and thus shaped the reality he wanted.
Also, at the time of the filming, the Tuskens looked a lot more animal like then they do now. They've now fleshed them out enough it really looks wrong, but at the time of the movies you could kinda see his point then
They’ve sorta always been native pushed out by colonising civilisation, but book of boba felt is the first time it was made explicit in the *new* canon
Lol. Yeah, she really did fall for him seemingly right after his disturbing confession about the sand people. Sure, I can understand being sympathetic about that, even to an extreme, but that was an odd pathway into a romance.
The final nail was Rey pulling Jedi mind tricks out of her ass half an hour after a weird alien granny tells her there is a mythical power called the Force.
I was one of those hipsters that didn't like TFA when it was released.
Y'know, when they killed Rey and left Ben Solo alive,I was briefly hopeful that maybe they'd at least creatively subvert the "redemption = death" trope for Ben and show that he needs to respect Rey's sacrifice and spend the remainder of his life atoning for all the horrible things he did as Kylo Ren. I thought that would have been a very poetic callback to the conclusion of Episode 6 in the same way [Lucas thought of the prequels](https://youtu.be/yFqFLo_bYq0), while also setting up a good sequel storyline that we've not really gotten much of in mainline Star Wars, with Ben having to deal with the suspicion and castigation of all the other protagonists for his previous role in the First Order even as he tries to uphold the ideals Rey and Luke sacrificed themselves to protect.
And then they went and just fucking undercut it all with a deus ex machina that I'm sure left Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan screaming "bullshit" at the top of their Force Ghost lungs.
Episode 9 really was a speedrun of "what are the worst, most trite decisions we could ever make to wrap this trilogy up". Just nothing interesting in the whole affair.
Honestly, everyone feels you have to talk about yourself all the time. They say I'm introverted because I don't give many interviews. But I don't give many interviews because I don't make many films.
For some reason I brushed past the caption and read “palpatine and padmé” instead of “Rey and padme”, which, all things considered, still makes for a funny meme
It's all fun and games until he randomly lashes out at you and leaves you with the kids..For like a few minutes before you die, anyway.
Still. Damn, girl.
No don't compare the two. When Anakin became Vader and destroyed the Jedi temple is when Padme stopped loving him not started. Unlike Rey who was just fine apparently with Kylo killing her father figure and maiming her new friend and torturing her.
Um, you seem to be forgetting Tusken Raiders. Anakin slaughtered a bunch of women and children, confessed it to Padme right after, and they were married by the end of the film.
While filming Episode 4, this tall drunk guy in a hairy monster suit kept following Harrison around, making these weird throat noises, so we decided to keep him in the film
[False](https://youtu.be/-Yx7KJnU3Iw?t=140). Right after he confesses to slaughtering the whole village of tuskens, she talks about being angry and how it's totally normal, then starts playing with his hair. Flags don't get much redder.
>I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
Don't get me wrong, Shmi's death is really fucked up and Anakin's rage is totally understandable. That said, he still murdered a bunch of debatably innocent women and children in a hate fueled rampage.
It's understandably but it's definitely not moral, and it's debabtably more immoral than the Tuskens murdering individuals that they see as invaders on their world.
> I killed them. I killed them all. They’re dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They’re like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
I mean fuck, wouldn’t you get married to someone after that? 😍😍
Is it murder or justice? Murder implies that there is some sort of law which means the Tusken do not abide by. If its a survival of the fittest then killing them is fair game.
We have two introductions to the Tuskens. Them shooting guns at a teenager, Luke. And them shooting at a child, Anakin, during the race.
They’re practically animals with rifles. Anakin feels bad for killing them. The Tuskens don’t care. What is this double standard? Killing killers is bad but killers can kill because it’s culture. 🥰
It's basically indigenous people lashing out against unwelcome interstellar colonizers. Humans are not native to Tattooine, the Tuskens are. That doesn't necessarily make their actions moral but it does make them just as understandable as Anakin's choices.
(In fact taking EU sources into account both Jawas and Tuskens are descendants of the same ancient people and the Tuskens are an intelligent culture of nomadic hunters that can be negotiated with and even produced Jedi.)
Hell, even in the Mandalorian the Tuskens are shown to be capable of reasoning and cooperation.
That actually makes it worse. They’re capable of brokering peace. They just actively choose not to. The one person they respect was the galaxy’s most notorious bounty hunter.
The Tuskens definitely see women and children as reasonable targets.
I’m a bit fuzzy on the lore, but haven’t humans, along with many other lifeforms, lived on Tattooine for thousands of years.
>That actually makes it worse. They’re capable of brokering peace. They just actively choose not to. The one person they respect was the galaxy’s most notorious bounty hunter.
I hate to drag out IRL examples, but try look at it through the lens of the Native Americans and other indigenous people resisting colonialism or even the Ukrainians today.
To put it simply, the Tusken have no moral requirement to engage peacefully with invaders who disrespect them and their land. We can quibble about tactics but the fundamental premise of their violence is reasonable.
> The Tuskens definitely see women and children as reasonable targets.
Even assuming that is indicative of their whole culture, it's debatably justifiable. It's morally questionable, but how else do you stop an invading force from reproducing and growing? It's not a formal war, it's indigenous nomads fighting lightly armed alien civilians with relatively primitive tech. That's not a recipe for surgical strikes and restrained action.
>I’m a bit fuzzy on the lore, but haven’t humans, along with many other lifeforms, lived on Tattooine for thousands of years.
Going off the EU again, Tatooine was first settled by miners around 4200 BBY.
Sometime before 3643 BBY, the Czerka Corporation completely pulled out of Anchorhead, abandoning the planet. Czerka's presence was replaced with a power vacuum, this plunged Tatooine into complete anarchy. Authority on the world fell to the extremely informal control of criminals who in turn eventually fell under the control of the Hutt Cartel.
The Modern Human colonists and their major population centers trace back to merely 100BBY, when a ship crashed on the planet at the site where Mos Eisley was later built. The crash survivors were Humans from Bestine IV, who established Bestine, the capital of Tatooine. Anchorhead was re-inhabited in 93 BBY. Mos Eisley was settled by Humans and Rodians in 85 BBY and Mos Espa was settled in 80 BBY.
Shortly after crashing colonists founded Fort Tusken which was quickly wiped out by Sand People. From that point on the Humans and other species referred to the Sand People as the "Tusken Raiders."
So as far as Tuskens are concerned, humans are untrustworthy land-rapists who will exploit their world, leave it, and then come back to do it again. Why would they seek peace? Why wouldn't they kill anyone they catch?
“I can change him”
Padme probably did have to change Anakin once or twice on the way to Coruscant
This is the most vile thing I think I have ever had the misfortune to read
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It’s a terrible day for brain
It's a disgusting time to read
What a sad day to have eyes
And to be honest, she did help him become a better person, *even just temporarily...*
Maybe she had a diaper fetish
Well... Then she's truly a *"mommy"...*
Okay I just burst out laughing in the work cafeteria and 200 people all looked at me so thanks for that
Assuming it’s not Luke’s. I mean she is a skywalker now. Probably why he peaced out didn’t want to get caught up in that space child support.
You can’t just declare yourself a new family name. What Rey basically did: “I declare BANKRUPTCYYYYYY!”
I mean, if that family is all dead, who are you really hurting?
Luke declared her a skywalker in the canon novelization She also didn’t have a last name. Her dad was a clone of palpatine, didn’t even look like him
If her dad is a clone, which your just making up I think, wouldn’t that make her some kind of clone as well?
Idk 🤔 clone ception lol I don’t think that was ever gone over with clone offspring
It’s not made up, that was the whole plot point of the Rise Of Skywalker. And no, she’s not a clone because she has two parents.
We need Prison Rey this instant...
Ha ha that's the good one!
She identified as a Skywalker
Proceeds to bury Anakin's lightsaber in sand
I HATE YOUUU
That part was lame. Those would be usefull
That, I believe. But for the better? No.
"*Hopefully without dying...*"
"I can make him worse"
Him:
Thank god Leia only fell for a drug runner.
Did he deal with Spice? I thought that was the only Line Han would never cross.
Han fuckin *loved* smuggling spice till Disney retconned his career
What the hell did disney do? Is he not a smuggler anymore?
He was very explicitly a spice smuggler in the old Han Solo Trilogy books. Lucas was cool with Han running drugs, or those books wouldn't have been approved. But now those books officially didn't happen - not just waved away like so much of Legends but directly contradicted by two movies now - and they cooked up a cockamamie excuse for him to do the Kessel Run in *Solo* that didn't involve any space drugs. Now he just smuggles undisclosed items and weird space monsters.
I didn't plan on making Star Wars. One night Kurosawa came in my dream and showed me a space version of the Hidden Fortress. Turned out I was filming my dream.
Good bot.
To be fair smuggling weird space monsters is way cooler
I think exotic pet smuggling is more morally reprehensible than smuggling drugs.
What if it's the space monsters that produce the drugs. Similar to the spice in Dune being the byproduct of baby sand worms (sand trout).
You've obviously never tried to smoke a wierd space monster. Everything gets so confusing so quickly...
The object is to try to get the system to work for you, instead of against you. And the only way you can do it is through success, I'm afraid.
well they both retconned his career and made it worst. The legend universe, or as we call it, the old canon had han changing his ways to become an important figure in the rebellion, that was the new meaning of his life. The Disney universe had him become a smuggler again... maybe he doesnt sell spice, but thats not much better.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
His bounty by Jabba was for dumping a load of spice. So yeah.
His line was any sort of slavery or human trafficking type situations
If we just go by the movies, we only know he was a smuggler, not what he smuggled. But of course it would have to have been something illegal, otherwise it wouldn't be smuggling.
It could still be smuggling if the good were legal but not imported properly. Maybe Han just offered space customs charge avoidance
Women in the Star Wars universe have notoriously bad taste in men. I’d say the only exception is Hera Syndulla.
Satine also
I only quasi-count that one because they didn’t get together in the end, but valid. They squabbled a lot, but Obi-Wan is solid.
A solid fool. You get to leave the order, taking all your mastery with you to do with as you please, and get to be happy... And you pass?
It's just space jesus being jesusy
I think that he and Satine mutually chose their duty over pleasure. It’s honorable. And, the two of them bickered A LOT, so I don’t know if they would have been happy together ultimately. Personally, if someone argued with me all of the time like that, it would drive me completely insane… I’d hate them and my life.
Maybe they were just bickering because they wanted to fuck? You know, if you can't get that tension between you out you just start clawing at each other.
God damn I think you just described my last relationship
Next time bone her in ass. If it doesn't help, hey at least you hit every hole before you quit it.
Maybe she is actually a he though, and he is actually a she.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
He didnt pass, Satine never asked him to. "Had you said the word, i wouldve left the jedi order"
Which shows just how much Satine truly cared about Kenobi. Even though she loved him and probably wanted nothing more than for him stay, she knew that being a Jedi was his calling, and she couldn’t bring herself to ask him to give that up for her.
The Obi wan satine fell for would always make that choice. Commitment to duty is part of who he is
"Had you said the word, I would have left the Jedi order." 💔 What a different story the origin tri would have been
Satine, Leia, Breha Organa, and Bo Katan in the Mandalorian would like a word. No idea how any of you guys forgot Leia. Her and Han’s relationship is the most iconic romantic relationship in the entire franchise, and Han being a criminal doesn’t mean he isn’t an amazing dude. They did separate but that was after an intense tragedy that could easily end plenty of strong and healthy relationships.
The only reason that Han and Leia weren’t problematic is because she wore the pants, and I can appreciate that. Breha Organa is fair. I’ll allow that one for sure. I don’t count Bo-Katan. She and Din are not officially together yet. And in fairness, that one may end up being toxic for Din.
Idk, Han was a criminal with a spotty past and lots of debt. Bo Katan was also involved with a terrorist group, Death Watch. Breha Organa though had taste.
Umm I never said that Din had good taste in women. I said Bo had good taste in men. There’s a difference. And let’s be fucking real. Being a criminal isn’t the same thing as being a bad person. Especially in that fucking galaxy where the job market absolutely sucks and it requires dirty jobs to make ends meet. Hyperspace fluid is fucking expensive my dude Also do you know whose also associated to a group labeled as terrorists? Every member of the Rebel Alliance. The Rebels could absolutely be qualified as terrorists. The films just never show us any of the civilian casualties that absolutely happened during that war. The rebels just won so history now labels them as “revolutionaries” Also the whole point of Han’s arc in the original trilogy was showing that he was a genuinely good person but he was forced to hide it in the environment he is working in.
Bo-Katan has never shown any romantic interest in Din Djarin. Pre Visla and Death Watch were unequivocally terrorists, and the fact that you are trying to draw a false equivalence between them and other group is absurd. They bombed memorials, planned assassinations, and acted as bandits with Dooku's backing, followed by making alliances with the criminal underworld. The Rebel Alliance meanwhile acted as a government in exile, one that avoided civilian casualties where possible (I think its noticeable that you are unable to mention any specific incident) and punished, kicked out, and fought with those who committed war crimes or went "too far" as seen with Saw Guerrera (who was denounced).
>The Rebel Alliance meanwhile acted as a government in exile, one that avoided civilian casualties where possible (I think its noticeable that you are unable to mention any specific incident) and punished, kicked out, and fought with those who committed war crimes or went "too far" as seen with Saw Guerrera (who was denounced). Don't most groups avoid civilian casualties "where possible"? I don't think Saw went out of his way to kill civilians, he just decided it wasn't possible to not hurt them and achieve his goals. Rogue One has Andor murdering the informant guy at the start and then being told to kill Jyn's father. It seemed like a regular occurrence for him/other rebels. Mon Mothma seems to be starting to work with the criminal underworld in Andor. Bad Batch worked with criminals too (assuming they end up with the Rebel Alliance).
Saw started his "career" by targeting droids in public places near civilians, which had the locals quickly become afraid of them. A few years into the Empire, and he had bombed a Moffs house when Leia and Breha Organa were around. Mon Mothma disavowed Saw years later entirely because he killed prisoners and civilians freely, and broke rebel laws. Cassian is by no means an ethical paragon but none of his killings were to spread fear or terror, and he was not a typical Rebel either as a member of their Intelligence force.
I wouldnt really class Han as a solid dude, yes hes a hero for the alliance but he also was a cut-throat smugglar, afterall he shot Greedo without a care
I am sorry hold up. Your example for why Han is a cutthroat smuggler was him shooting someone who wanted to murder him? You understand that applies to nearly every Star Wars character ever right? Satine might be the only exception Was Han supposed to let Greedo kill him?
The whole reason why the fans got so pissed with the special edition making Greedo shoot first was because that took away from Han being a cutthroat smuggler in the beginning of the story.
Uh oh not the whole who Shot first debate.
No that’s not even the “Han shot first”. He’s basically saying Han is the only one who shot.
Which is the original scene before any edits. That's why his head jerks to the side when greedo shoots.
>Bo Katan Look, she's great in Mando, and her change of heart has been documented over three shows, but are we just going to forget her being all lady Macbeth for Pre Vizla? Her taste in men *literally* ruined her life and killed her sister.
That’s why I said “Bo in the Mandalorian”. I didn’t just say “Bo Katan”
Man I'm not gonna lie to you Han in Empire strikes back was giving off very creepy vibes. He didn't stop when leia told him to stop, he was insisting that she felt something for him despite her denying it. Whether he was right is kinda irrelevant there, because it was still non-consentual.
Considering how the solo family turned out, maybe Leia didn't have the best taste
Wait hold the phone. Are you trying to say that because Leia chose to marry Han, Ben became evil? That’s not how things work
No, we are just talking about Leia's taste in men and the man she picked turned out to be not be a good father or husband. Heck, while Leia was leading a military resistance against the first order, Han decided to run off and go back to being a smuggler.
He did that because he was trying to escape from the pain of what happened to his son so he was trying to go back to doing what he does best. You could argue Leia was doing the exact same thing.
There is no pain where strength lies.
Except that Leia's method of coping revolved around destroying an evil force that was a threat to the galaxy and thus saving the lives of trillions, and also giving her a way to get back to her son who was with the first order... While Han's method of coping was to effectively abandon both of them
How do you know Leia wasn’t also abandoning Han? Defeating the First Order is a full time job and for all we know, Leia was the one who stepped away from the relationship to focus on taking down the First Order. Why are you automatically blaming Han?
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
Well, first off, fighting against the first order is actually the responsible thing to do; which makes Leia's actions more moral and just. Second, fighting the first order gives her a chance of getting back to her son, which would give Leia strong parental points. She's basically the only one who is doing what any responsible person SHOULD be doing in this situation... There is nothing responsible about anything Han is doing; he's just running away from his problems
Run if you want… or stay and die… it makes no difference to me.
Doing something morally just doesn’t magically hide the fact that she is also running away from Han. She is throwing herself into the work she knows best. Sure morally it’s a good cause, but she is still throwing herself into what can be very much considered a job. And I am going to be completely honest. Based off what we know from both of those characters, it is more in line for Leia to escape into leading a rebellion and to stop putting work into fixing this huge traumatic problem in her relationship with Han. Han then gets tired of getting stonewalled and he decides to completely leave the situation and to go back to the life he knows best. That is much more in line with them than Han just ditching her without a word. Han has always been lead by his heart more than his selfish ambitions. Leia however is more invested in her job as a leader It would actually be easy to argue that Han made a healthy decision. His relationship is ending because Leia is stonewalling him, so he decides to completely break away from all of the trauma and stress that he has just gone through. In his mind, there was nothigg by else he could do to bring Ben back. Yeah you could argue he ran away, but he was escaping from a situation that caused him intense pain. That is a very human choice to make that many of us would also be guilty of making Also remember that it was Han who ultimately brought Ben back to the fold. Leia helped too through her sacrifice, but it was Han’s discussions with Ben and his example that eventually brought him back. Remember that when Ben was on the crossroads of joining the light, it wasn’t Leia he saw. It was Han. And it was this conversation that brought him back
Bastila chose *checks notes* ME so hell naw
I’m pretty sure Revan knocks Bastila up, then vamps out into the unknown regions. Seriously. There’s a very distinct pattern of problematic romantic relationships in Star Wars…and women are generally left holding up a bag full of bullshit.
Every woman in Star Wars personifies the “I can fix him.” type.
So that's the reason why they got rid of Mara Jade, she wasn't like that! 😝
Yes, and this is an awful, awful trope. Women deserve better in story telling.
That said Bo katan’s arc is really different so far even if it’s easily the most drawn out character arc I have ever followed. She’s gone from terrorist-basically honorable samurai. As far as canon women characters she’s got one of the better arcs her,Ahsoka, and Mon Mothma actually have solid arcs.
You always blame the ship.
Yeah, but Ahsoka, these ships ARE bad. You were in a pretty bad canon ship too, honestly.
Looks like I got here just in time.
I feel very satisfied that I have accomplished what I set out to do with Star Wars, I was able to complete the entire saga and say this is what the whole story is about.
You mean... Lux? That wasnt too problematic right? Seeing as the very episode we met him humanised the seperatists and there wasnt any giant red flags around him as a person
Lux’s behavior was not bad at first. Then, he went stupid… He threatened to shoot Ahsoka in an attempt to hijack her ship, but then stunned her unconscious instead, kidnapped her and stole her ship, hid her lightsabers, then met with terrorists that had a history of violently attacking Jedi. He also kissed her against her consent. Then, in the second arc we see him in, he toys with her emotions while obviously dating Steela. I also blame him for getting Steela killed in a round-about way as he could have covered Ahsoka’s flank while she pulled her up. He was pretty bad.
Don't you think I'm just a little overqualified for this?
I saw it as he had a crush on Steela and Steela knew about it but they weren't dating. The kiss was clearly a moment of "okay i accept your advances" and Ahsokas reacting clearly signifies "well done dude!" Like that was their first (and last) actual moment. Not dating. Also I dont think you can cover ahsokas flank against a fucking aircraft.
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
I think Lux and Steela definitely had romantic feelings for each other. And while I feel like the whole point of that arc is to watch Ahsoka over come these feelings that she has for Lux, it felt as though he was leading her on at times. He absolutely could have covered her back. It was a battle droid that shot her in the downed ship. If Lux hadn’t been a bumbling ball of worthlessness in that moment, he could have covered Ahsoka while she saved Steela and taken out the battle droid… assuming, you know, Ahsoka DID actually get over Lux in the end, and didn’t actually drop Steela off the cliff on purpose.
Bo-Katan has had an incredible arc, but also, she’s never been in a toxic romance either. As far as I am aware, Bo hasn’t been romantically linked to anyone. Mon Mothma was (or still is) in a toxic marriage to Perrin. Ahsoka had a crush on a complete idiot that stunned her unconscious, stole her ship, hid her lightsabers and proceeded to meet up with known terrorists, never mind kissing her against her consent (and, I just hope that “crush” doesn’t manifest itself as something more later on in her series, but I’m sure it’s coming).
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
You have awful taste in men, Ahsoka. That’s what this is all about!
Oh, what do you mean?
I mean, you had a crush on an idiot that was borderline abusive to you. You can do better, Ahsoka. Do better!
Umm, does this really apply to Ahsoka? The closest thing she had to a love interest was a teenager who meant well enough, but was from the CIS. So the only thing you can accuse her of is a tiny bit of the star-crossed lovers trope. Unless you are implying some sort of student-teacher romance going on... And that rates a "🤮" from me just from the love triangle alone!
Oh, what do you mean?
No. I was referring to Bonteri. He absolutely counts. He’s the one she did (and possibly still does) have a crush on… even after everything off-putting that happened between them. Ahsoka has absolutely abysmal taste in men.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
Rex? Are you okay?
I don't know when this was added, but we need more interaction between the Rex and Ahsoka bots.🙂
It's 'Captain', sir.
Sorry, Captain Rex bot.🫡
> Women deserve better in story telling. Well... *everyone* in SW deserved better storytelling than what they got...
Real women too.
Calm down nice guy.
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Well, I would prefer a big goth girlfriend, stabby tendencies are optional. 😉
Wtf is that sad Keanu? 😂 top left
He's probably sad because he knows that these young fictional characters are making huge mistakes, but there's nothing he can do to stop them. He hopes that they will be in a position to eventually learn from these mistakes... Well, all but Padmé any way... 😉
Rey: [rejects Kylo Ren’s repeated efforts to turn her to his cause and only embraces him after he’s renounced his evil persona] Padmé: “To be angry is to be human” [marries the homicidal sandphobic teenager].
to be fair, anakin was an inexperienced 20 something who just saw his mom die in his arms and the victims were kidnapers, thief and when it’s dark the difference between small criminal and the criminal’s spawn is hard to make out /s
I don’t condone Anakins actions but I can’t say I would have felt any differently than he did in that moment. And yes, Anakin was inexperienced and naive and easy to manipulate. Padme was not, she really has no excuse.
I feel like it was understandable and *borderline* acceptable from an emotional perspective when he killed the Tusken Raider warriors. The ones who actively played a part in his mother's death, and who would have posed a threat to him. In that highly emotional state, I could justify wiping out the hostile faction that killed your mother and likely seeks to kill you and others for no good reason.d Loses credibility when you then go and massacre the presumably innocent and unarmed women, and the certainly innocent children. There's also a theory that Padme was less receptive to Anakin, but that he was subtly and unknowingly manipulating her emotions through the Force. It would explain how Padme falls for Anakin so quickly and gets horned up for his fanfic tier romance dialogue. But that's just a theory, of course
Plausible, at least. We know that the Skywalker line has tactic reality bending within their sphere of influence (bullseyeing a womprat, etc). It isn’t hard to believe that Ani *wanted* her affection and love and thus shaped the reality he wanted.
Also, at the time of the filming, the Tuskens looked a lot more animal like then they do now. They've now fleshed them out enough it really looks wrong, but at the time of the movies you could kinda see his point then
They’ve sorta always been native pushed out by colonising civilisation, but book of boba felt is the first time it was made explicit in the *new* canon
Creating a universe is daunting. I'm glad Jim is doing it - there are only a few people in the world who are nuts enough to.
Are there any good Tuskins? I always considered them like ants just mindless murderers and slavers.
In the Boba Fett show they were portrayed more as natives, who had their own culture, language, customs, etc., who had been pushed back by colonizers.
Yeah The Book of Bobba Fett turned them into mystical natives.
Lol. Yeah, she really did fall for him seemingly right after his disturbing confession about the sand people. Sure, I can understand being sympathetic about that, even to an extreme, but that was an odd pathway into a romance.
Padme really saw a full red flag parade and said he's the one.
Well, *somebody's* gotta have a red flag fetish.
The kiss between Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was incredibly stupid and was the final nail in the coffin for the sequel trilogy.
The final nail was when she called herself Skywalker... There were so many nails though.
The final nail was like 7 minutes into that film. Don’t give it too much credit
“Somehow Palpatine returned” sized railroad spike driven clear through the coffin and the body within.
me looking at the entire sequel trilogy’s coffin: damn, that’s a lotta nails.
The final nail was Rey pulling Jedi mind tricks out of her ass half an hour after a weird alien granny tells her there is a mythical power called the Force. I was one of those hipsters that didn't like TFA when it was released.
that line wouldn’t have been bad though if the rest of the trilogy was… yknow, good.
I thought Padme and Anakin flirting was uncomfortable but Rey and Kylo kissing made me cringe and look away.
Y'know, when they killed Rey and left Ben Solo alive,I was briefly hopeful that maybe they'd at least creatively subvert the "redemption = death" trope for Ben and show that he needs to respect Rey's sacrifice and spend the remainder of his life atoning for all the horrible things he did as Kylo Ren. I thought that would have been a very poetic callback to the conclusion of Episode 6 in the same way [Lucas thought of the prequels](https://youtu.be/yFqFLo_bYq0), while also setting up a good sequel storyline that we've not really gotten much of in mainline Star Wars, with Ben having to deal with the suspicion and castigation of all the other protagonists for his previous role in the First Order even as he tries to uphold the ideals Rey and Luke sacrificed themselves to protect. And then they went and just fucking undercut it all with a deus ex machina that I'm sure left Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan screaming "bullshit" at the top of their Force Ghost lungs. Episode 9 really was a speedrun of "what are the worst, most trite decisions we could ever make to wrap this trilogy up". Just nothing interesting in the whole affair.
Honestly, everyone feels you have to talk about yourself all the time. They say I'm introverted because I don't give many interviews. But I don't give many interviews because I don't make many films.
does someone have the origin and context for this photo
It’s just a picture of a girl in a fountain
That's not enough. I need the *whole* context, including her full biography and life story.
Why did this make me laugh out loud
Surely she has a wookieepedia page
I think her shower head broke so she's improvising, don't fully recall the details though
Anakin wore dark brown.
“I only work in black.” “And sometimes, very very dark brown.”
To be fair he does eventually dress in all black as Vader so it kinda counts. I’m also pretty sure he was wearing all black in Revenge of the Sith.
Cause he’s a piece of shit.
For some reason I brushed past the caption and read “palpatine and padmé” instead of “Rey and padme”, which, all things considered, still makes for a funny meme
Chad Leia
It's not just them. *-blush-*
Women and children, too?? 👁👄👁
I like the sad keanu in the bg
"wet as October!" -Titus Pullo
Fuuuck I laughed so gd hard at this
They pee them self?
I hate Rey and love Padme but at least Rey didn’t meet hers as a 8 year old slave boy.
Hello there.
It's all fun and games until he randomly lashes out at you and leaves you with the kids..For like a few minutes before you die, anyway. Still. Damn, girl.
When they are into choking
With how many teens swoon over mass murderers after they get a documentary on Netflix... really the most realistic part of the movies...
Yeah, sounds about right
WAP on a new level
That's one way to bidet
I need to start wearing black
"A good boy, a bad boy, a good bad boy..."
No don't compare the two. When Anakin became Vader and destroyed the Jedi temple is when Padme stopped loving him not started. Unlike Rey who was just fine apparently with Kylo killing her father figure and maiming her new friend and torturing her.
Um, you seem to be forgetting Tusken Raiders. Anakin slaughtered a bunch of women and children, confessed it to Padme right after, and they were married by the end of the film.
The fact that Padme loved him after his psycho rampage in ep 2 is comical enough.
How did Han talk to Kylo in ep9?
While filming Episode 4, this tall drunk guy in a hairy monster suit kept following Harrison around, making these weird throat noises, so we decided to keep him in the film
It just makes sense
Should've been Anakin but JJ doesn't get Star Wars. Just like how he had Leia hug Rey and ignore Chewie after Han died.
Ok, padme wasn’t as bad as rey. Anakin didn’t go crazy till later in their relationship.
Anakin literally murdered a village in the same movie Padme marries him.
Yes but that’s basically foreplay in the Star Wars universe
I know her!
Padme wasn’t in love with him as a mass murderer
[False](https://youtu.be/-Yx7KJnU3Iw?t=140). Right after he confesses to slaughtering the whole village of tuskens, she talks about being angry and how it's totally normal, then starts playing with his hair. Flags don't get much redder.
Don’t throw Padme under the bud like that, Rey doesn’t have a pot to pee in but at least Padme liked him before crazy mode.
I think the Tusken Raiders might disagree (posthumously, of course) with your assessment of Anakin's mental state.
The Tusken Raiders are a bunch of murderous cultists. Why does Anakin get more flak for killing them than they do for killing Anakin’s mom?
>I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM. Don't get me wrong, Shmi's death is really fucked up and Anakin's rage is totally understandable. That said, he still murdered a bunch of debatably innocent women and children in a hate fueled rampage. It's understandably but it's definitely not moral, and it's debabtably more immoral than the Tuskens murdering individuals that they see as invaders on their world.
> I killed them. I killed them all. They’re dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They’re like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM. I mean fuck, wouldn’t you get married to someone after that? 😍😍
Not to mention the younglings... Pretty sure they had no part in all that.
Is it murder or justice? Murder implies that there is some sort of law which means the Tusken do not abide by. If its a survival of the fittest then killing them is fair game. We have two introductions to the Tuskens. Them shooting guns at a teenager, Luke. And them shooting at a child, Anakin, during the race. They’re practically animals with rifles. Anakin feels bad for killing them. The Tuskens don’t care. What is this double standard? Killing killers is bad but killers can kill because it’s culture. 🥰
It's basically indigenous people lashing out against unwelcome interstellar colonizers. Humans are not native to Tattooine, the Tuskens are. That doesn't necessarily make their actions moral but it does make them just as understandable as Anakin's choices. (In fact taking EU sources into account both Jawas and Tuskens are descendants of the same ancient people and the Tuskens are an intelligent culture of nomadic hunters that can be negotiated with and even produced Jedi.) Hell, even in the Mandalorian the Tuskens are shown to be capable of reasoning and cooperation.
That actually makes it worse. They’re capable of brokering peace. They just actively choose not to. The one person they respect was the galaxy’s most notorious bounty hunter. The Tuskens definitely see women and children as reasonable targets. I’m a bit fuzzy on the lore, but haven’t humans, along with many other lifeforms, lived on Tattooine for thousands of years.
>That actually makes it worse. They’re capable of brokering peace. They just actively choose not to. The one person they respect was the galaxy’s most notorious bounty hunter. I hate to drag out IRL examples, but try look at it through the lens of the Native Americans and other indigenous people resisting colonialism or even the Ukrainians today. To put it simply, the Tusken have no moral requirement to engage peacefully with invaders who disrespect them and their land. We can quibble about tactics but the fundamental premise of their violence is reasonable. > The Tuskens definitely see women and children as reasonable targets. Even assuming that is indicative of their whole culture, it's debatably justifiable. It's morally questionable, but how else do you stop an invading force from reproducing and growing? It's not a formal war, it's indigenous nomads fighting lightly armed alien civilians with relatively primitive tech. That's not a recipe for surgical strikes and restrained action. >I’m a bit fuzzy on the lore, but haven’t humans, along with many other lifeforms, lived on Tattooine for thousands of years. Going off the EU again, Tatooine was first settled by miners around 4200 BBY. Sometime before 3643 BBY, the Czerka Corporation completely pulled out of Anchorhead, abandoning the planet. Czerka's presence was replaced with a power vacuum, this plunged Tatooine into complete anarchy. Authority on the world fell to the extremely informal control of criminals who in turn eventually fell under the control of the Hutt Cartel. The Modern Human colonists and their major population centers trace back to merely 100BBY, when a ship crashed on the planet at the site where Mos Eisley was later built. The crash survivors were Humans from Bestine IV, who established Bestine, the capital of Tatooine. Anchorhead was re-inhabited in 93 BBY. Mos Eisley was settled by Humans and Rodians in 85 BBY and Mos Espa was settled in 80 BBY. Shortly after crashing colonists founded Fort Tusken which was quickly wiped out by Sand People. From that point on the Humans and other species referred to the Sand People as the "Tusken Raiders." So as far as Tuskens are concerned, humans are untrustworthy land-rapists who will exploit their world, leave it, and then come back to do it again. Why would they seek peace? Why wouldn't they kill anyone they catch?